Santo Domingo.- The killing of alleged assailant when he tried to rob a French citizen in the Garrrido Puello and Troncoso streets intersection in the upscale sector Piantini caused major gridlock during rush hour for dozens of blocks around the 27 de Febrero avenue Thursday morning.
According to local media the alleged holdup man yet to be identified was in a car with two other people who fled the scene.
French citizen Thierry André Eugene Barde said he was being followed after having left his house and upon arriving at the site, the attacker brandished a weapon, but jammed, giving the foreigner time to fire his revolver six times, killing him instantly with four shots.
Barde, a resident in the country, was taken by a patrol car to an undisclosed precinct for a statement on the death of the would be assailant, who didn’t carry any identification. He told reporters that he owns a hotel in the Colonial Zone.
From: Dominican Republic
Quick surgical removal of a cancerous malignancy.
Written by: Trujillo, 1 Sep 2011 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you!
Written by: BLANCO, 1 Sep 2011 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
tried by higher court
Written by: telemeco, 1 Sep 2011 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
the dude look haitian
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Hope he's got good connections at his embassy.
Could turn out to be expensive..
From: United States
Written by: BLANCO, 1 Sep 2011 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
tried by higher court
and, maybe, a higher caliber
Written by: THINK, 1 Sep 2011 1:10 PM
From: United States, SDQ -- Mia --NY
I don't know will the French guy to be trialed for killing even he is in self-defense action?
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
six shots ..that is not self defence ,,six shots and if the dead man is a Dominican , I think any sharp lawyer for the dead mans family will be seeking a really large amount of money .
For all that I agree that the the French man simply did what the police would have done if they had been there
Written by: xwill7, 1 Sep 2011 1:57 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
There are no upscale areas in DR. You have to watch your back all over the place. From the most peacefull campo to the upscale areas.
From: United States
Santiago/Miami,
While we don't know all the details of this inicident as of yet -- if it's true that the dead man was a criminal assailant -- I say give the Frenchman a medal.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
una lacra menos
xwill7 you're right, you'll get flip anywhere, even inside your own house is not safe.
what this frenchy did is the best thing to do, pack some blue steel on your waist band and if necessary defend yourself, no deje que te maten, en DR solo los pendejos se dejan matar. yo le doy gracias a dios que nunca e tenido que defender mi vida pero si llega el dia I'm fully automatic 1 in the chamber 12 in the clip
Written by: BLANCO, 1 Sep 2011 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
lets hope piece of shit is not a cop!!!!!!
From: Iran, DirectorioDominicano.com
We (RD) are just 2 elections away from becoming haiti. lest we wake. Which
is gonna be difficult when they are more and more of haitian descent,,can you say catch 22?
** En Higüey de cada 10 partos de 6 a 7 son de haitianas, a veces son hasta 8** (hoy.com.do)
Written by: Juango, 1 Sep 2011 2:52 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
If the report is correct and the criminal's firearm jammed, then the Frenchman killed his assailant in self defence. Fu@k the dead man's family, if they wish to sue. Culandro, if that is the case, they too should be eliminated from society along with their lawyer how represents them. God bless Mr. Barde. The Chief of the PN should award him a medal !
Written by: xwill7, 1 Sep 2011 3:16 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
old school I laugh when people tell me that they live in an upscale area but el barrio is a few blocks away.
Written by: generoso, 1 Sep 2011 3:48 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Frenchie will probably be held overnight, in the 4 TH floor, of the PALACIO de Justicia de ciudad nueva, for a trial the next morning.
He will have his gun impounded temporarily, and he will need to lawyer up. Chances are that the victim's family will plead loss of family support, and will sue for damages. Either way Frenchie will have to pay, and/or spend time in the slammer, at the trial the opposition's lawyer will ask for bond, and an impediment to travel, plus regular visits to the DA 's office, until final trial is over.
That's the way Dominican justice works, and there is no quick way out.
Written by: riosm, 1 Sep 2011 3:57 PM
From: United States
Darn good shooting, 6 shots fired from a holstered concealed weapon striking the robber 4 out of 6 could only mean the shooter panicked at close range, under the circumstances is understandably.
I prefer the first shot center mass followed by a second well aimed head shot should do it, then on the ready should the threat still exist.
From: Haiti
telemeco
why he dude a haitian? You don't have black DOMINICAN?
Written by: telemeco, 1 Sep 2011 5:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
generoso ..not quite right ..the defendants lawyer will ask for fianza ,or bail and I am sure this will be granted and I imagine in this case will not be very high and may be this will be opposed by the litigating lawyer but I am sure he will not be successful .I doubt if it will go that far especially if the gun of the assailant was found on the body .I imagine that the family will not want to go too public with this ..unless there were other unknown circumstances
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Whatever this dude is, is a win-win situation.
We should have a national kill lacras day, perhaps we clean up our society a little bit.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
kakaman, your "English is not very good looking" like Celia Cruz used to say!Lol.
Written by: penny, 1 Sep 2011 5:56 PM
From: Azerbaijan
I do not like to see this picture and we do not know the truth. I am anti guncontrol but to carry around weapons and shoot people who try and rob you is wrong. Weapons should be kept unloaded at home. In Australia many friends assaulted and the person on drugs but no they would not like to kill the assailant.
Written by: penny, 1 Sep 2011 6:00 PM
From: Azerbaijan
And if he was Haitian maybe starving. All people equal in eyes of God and having a dark skin does not make you less human. Just a few different genes out of the 20,000 or so you have. No he is not nearer to the apes as we did not evolve from them.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
penny you just stay in Australia with your dear friend Mr Stone
Written by: generoso, 1 Sep 2011 6:36 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Ricardolito
Don't be such a dreamer, why would the defendant's lawyer ask for fianza or bail, the defendant's lawyer wants him out with no restrictions. All your speculations are incorrect, I can tell you from experience.
Both lawyers and DA smell blood like good sharks, and want some of the cash, and they will get it.
I witnessed a case where the assailant was shot several times, and the judge argued that it was not necessary to shoot so many times, and he could have shot him in the leg. The guy spent months in prison, until he settled and it cost him hundreds of thousands, US not RD.
Written by: riosm, 1 Sep 2011 6:41 PM
From: United States
Thieves, robbers, crooks and swindlers come in all colors shapes and sizes yet bleed the same color....RED.
From reports......the robber's gun jammed which is proof he intended to shot and kill his robbery victim.
Even the armed robber turned gunshot victim in this case has somebody out there who loves him.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
This Frenchy is a hero in my book. This punk dead man, went out to get paid, but little did he know eternity was waiting for him, now he just gotta die one more time; end of story.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
generoso ,,the judge can tell to the defendant that he will go to prison for the normal 3 months of investigation and the defendents lawyer will say NO he needs to have bail , fianza . I have had to pay fianza several times for employees and that is the way it goes . The options in a murder charge are fianza or prison not total freedom unless the judge dismisses the case ,,I regret to say and I know you take offence at any correction , that you are not correct .
However in the case you have quoted ,yes that is also an option for the judge to place an offender in prison until he pays ...but in that case , the offender has been tried and found guilty .
And yes I totally agree that the DA and the lawyers will be hanging around like sharks to get a share of any negotiated settlement or even an agreed fianza .
So we are not too far apart.
Written by: riosm, 1 Sep 2011 7:02 PM
From: United States
Penny
We know about gun control laws in Australia, the only ones with guns are the bad guys, police and Military. Crimes with other weapons is at an all time high.
It is my understanding the shooter had a permit to carry and a legal right for self preservation.
In most robbery incidents the mere presence of an firearm by the intended victim is in it's self enough to be able to avoid bloodshed.
Robbers, thieves look for easy unarmed victims, I'll leave you with this.....
"An armed society is a polite society", "I Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6", "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns", "I rather have a gun and never need it then need it and never have it", "Society is safer when the bad guys don't know who's armed".
Maybe this will send a clear message to future robbers.....BE WARE ! The life you intend to take....may be your own.
God only knows how many victims and crimes this now victim has committed in the past.
From: Dominican Republic
Blutarsky - How do you come up with this stuff? I hope you're making a living with it.
From: United States
TELEMECO. If he was haitien after his gun jammed. He would hve told. Frenchi ..pardon monsier and. Bounced your answer he s dominican..howcome you did not comment on the chicago boy.you jerk
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
Im all for citizens beign armed with weapons to protect themselves from criminals , good for the frenchman.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The guy got zapped by the Zappo ......Vive Le France.....one less cucarocha for the guillotine ....The assailant's name was Lester More and his tombstone will read ........." Here Lies Lester More ....Four Shots from a Forty Four....No Less No More "......
Written by: telemeco, 1 Sep 2011 10:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Andujar67:
WTF are you talking about, you and your boy Kiskeyaman,,political correct idiots....have you stop and look at the fact, You have a large population of immigrant and crime goes up.
What Chicago boy
From: United States
TELEmmmm........kish is not my boy ..chicago bank thief .dominican..deported back to the u s since he is not haitien it s fine with you. However any crime. In the D R. Darm haitiens...you are perfect..I am the idiot...thanks...
From: United States
@telemeco a crime is being done. So the man is haitian. Which mean dominicans don't comit crime. You live in paterson I live in west orange. Tell the DT readers the make up of the two town and what is the crime rate. Or they could google the two town in jersey and find out. Remember you said we steal your jobs there goes another job
From: United States
@kiskey dominican=Black what kind of question was that?
Written by: RoyStone, 2 Sep 2011 8:32 AM
From: Australia
riosm,
You BS philosophy about gun ownership is not supported by reality. The murder rate in Australia is far lower than in countries with higher gun ownership like USA and the Dominican Republic. A desperate armed robber is more likely to shoot to kill if he believes his victim may be armed.
Per 100,000 the murder rates are:
Australia 1.3
USA 5.0
Dominican Republic 22.0
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
What is happening in DR lately with robberies and crimes. Recently the well knowing Haitian Band T Vice got robbed in SD by dudes on motorcycles while visiting friends( poor Roberto cry like a baby for dudes came back for his Cartier. Recently also as reported in Le Nouvelliste a Haitian family while traveling to SD for a routine weekend getaway got pull over by what seems to be DR police, vehicule equipt with lights and all, it turned out to be bandits who got them for everything, i they are simply the latest victims of this ruise on this route according to the real cops.My Dominican friends Stateside are complaining how bad thiings are right now with crimes in DR, the flow of drugs is like never seen before, according to them all the villains are setting shops there,even the Russians are running prostitution rings. They are telling me LF is on his way out , only one year left is a contributing factor?constant worried about love ones back home.
Written by: bernies, 2 Sep 2011 9:58 AM
From: United States, key west fl
Just a month or 2 ago another foreigner shot and killed a guy that was trying to rob him on Dr. De Fillo almost with 27 of Febraury, the best part of it is that we haven't heard anything more about that case on the news.
Written by: riosm, 2 Sep 2011 11:19 AM
From: United States
RoyStone,
In Australia it's brute force with other assorted weapons, your firearm deaths are low and from what I'm told your crime rate in general is still high.
Most robbers in general look for the quick easy unopposed victim, most armed robbers are repeat offenders.
95% of all gun related crime are with stolen or illegally obtained firearms.
History reflects gun control boils down to people control, this happens when the Gov. does not trust it's own citizens or plans a take over to control it's citizens.
With legal firearm ownership comes a big personal responsibility on it's SAFE use and storage.
From what I'm told your anti-gun laws only serve to give Auzzies a false sense of security with the fuzzy feel good mentality, yet still your illegal firearms trade [black market] in Auzzieland like your drug trade booms.
Mexico has one of the strictest firearm laws and the local Mexican can't rely on the police or military for protection.
From: United States, California
I’m not a big fan of the French people; however I praise this French man for removing "ESA RATA" from society. Gracias French man!!!
From: United States, Everywhere
Written by: Blutarsky, 2 Sep 2011 11:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The guy got zapped by the Zappo ......Vive Le France.....one less cucarocha for the guillotine ....The assailant's name was Lester More and his tombstone will read ........." Here Lies Lester More ....Four Shots from a Forty Four....No Less No More "......
There you go again, talking nonsense............
Act your age, John Goulet..............
How sad.
Written by: colmado, 2 Sep 2011 4:20 PM
From: United States, Dirty South
I see a lot of comments based on absolutely no facts.
Let's not assume that this permanant resident did not have a carry permit.
Most expats know how to get properly licensed, (although it's quite expensive).
If he does then there should not be any charges against him.
Some posters need to stop applying their 1st world rules (western European and Australian) to developing countries, where life is cheap and you have to watch you back.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
you hit the old nail on the head there colmado
From: Haiti
Blow the picture, he is darker them the average Dominican, Hair is not cut or trim down. Average Dominican are clean cut and not as dark, clothing, shoes, consistent with immigrant living in the capital
TELEMECO as you said 'average Dominican are clean cut and not as dark' This man is maybe a DOMINICAN! the thief or killer man is not always in your country, a HAITIAN! Often it is the act of a DOMINICAN!
From: Haiti
TELEMECO
You are a perfect shabby, idiot! i think you are a coward because all things which are bad are commited by haitians for you! Your hatred push you to say a lot of crap!
You are the boy of all in USA, I am sure!
From: Haiti
the haitian
i told it, because in DR when a crime is committed by a black, a lot among them, say it's a haitian. It's for that i wrote this question to TELEMECO
From: Haiti
BE X SILENT
kakaman, your "English is not very good looking" like Celia Cruz used to say!Lol.
where you see my english is bad?
i just forget to put a t in front of he dude.
It's just because i writte quick!
If you can not bring a solution to a critic then close your mouth!!!
Written by: danny00, 3 Sep 2011 11:51 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
dont care what mr. ricky said.
when u invest in the dr u become a target the proof is in the pudding.
last year or so they killed a guy from italy i also think he owed a hotel in the dr.
u see this guy from france he has to carry a gun? why in paradise?
no one is going to help u if your in trouble in the dr and beieve me your going to be in trouble.
if one gringo your a traget, no other way around it for now
in the dr they dont have a real police force in fact the police and army bring their own crime wave to the dominican people.
and comment is from dominican fellow.
Written by: colmado, 4 Sep 2011 8:36 AM
From: United States, Dirty South
Gun control laws for law abiding citizens (or permanent residents) have become too restrictive in the Dominican Republic.
This should be hailed as an example of why responsible people should have better access to handguns. (I am refering to the DR here, and not to developed countries with low crime rates).
Have you seen the prices of a glock in the DR? It's approximately ten times the amount of the retail price in the U.S. This is due to the import restrictions in place.
All those restrictions do is discourage normal people from properly defending themselves and encouraging black market sales.
Let's get real, please.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Selling illegal guns I guess becomes part of the employment figures .....although the salesmen are usually the police and their stooges
Written by: colmado, 4 Sep 2011 9:37 AM
From: United States, Dirty South
Blu,
Unfortunately you are correct. There are now two revenue streams created by the senseless gun control laws (which only restrict gun ownership by responsible citizens/residents).
1) Government will levy ridiculous licensing fees for those who have the thousand of dollars to shell out.
2) Outside of the fees charged to law abiding people, the corrupt government officials will earn money by selling arms on the black market.
If more expats had concealed weapons the average ladron would think twice about robbing him/her.
I would cite most southern African countries as a perfect example of that; Namibia, Botswana, South Africa in particular. A US (or other NA/EU country) concealed carry permit is transferable to those countries.
Living in a developing country is not for sissies, so why try to have laws the disempower the people living and working to build commerce and improve standards of living.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The guy got zapped by the Zappo ......Vive Le France.....one less cucarocha for the guillotine ....The assailant's name was Lester More and his tombstone will read ........." Here Lies Lester More ....Four Shots from a Forty Four....No Less No More "..............Now they say the Frenchman is a wanted man ...He should get the same lawyer as DSK..... but I think he would rather be in a French jail than a Dominican one
Could turn out to be expensive..
From: Dominican Republic
tried by higher court
and, maybe, a higher caliber
I don't know will the French guy to be trialed for killing even he is in self-defense action?
For all that I agree that the the French man simply did what the police would have done if they had been there
While we don't know all the details of this inicident as of yet -- if it's true that the dead man was a criminal assailant -- I say give the Frenchman a medal.
xwill7 you're right, you'll get flip anywhere, even inside your own house is not safe.
what this frenchy did is the best thing to do, pack some blue steel on your waist band and if necessary defend yourself, no deje que te maten, en DR solo los pendejos se dejan matar. yo le doy gracias a dios que nunca e tenido que defender mi vida pero si llega el dia I'm fully automatic 1 in the chamber 12 in the clip
We (RD) are just 2 elections away from becoming haiti. lest we wake. Which
is gonna be difficult when they are more and more of haitian descent,,can you say catch 22?
** En Higüey de cada 10 partos de 6 a 7 son de haitianas, a veces son hasta 8** (hoy.com.do)
He will have his gun impounded temporarily, and he will need to lawyer up. Chances are that the victim's family will plead loss of family support, and will sue for damages. Either way Frenchie will have to pay, and/or spend time in the slammer, at the trial the opposition's lawyer will ask for bond, and an impediment to travel, plus regular visits to the DA 's office, until final trial is over.
That's the way Dominican justice works, and there is no quick way out.
I prefer the first shot center mass followed by a second well aimed head shot should do it, then on the ready should the threat still exist.
why he dude a haitian? You don't have black DOMINICAN?
Blow the picture, he is darker them the average Dominican, Hair is not cut or trim down. Average Dominican are clean cut and not as dark, clothing, shoes, consistent with immigrant living in the capital
here is more picture:
http://www.panoramadigital.com.do....nto-asaltarle-en-sector-piantini/
We should have a national kill lacras day, perhaps we clean up our society a little bit.
Don't be such a dreamer, why would the defendant's lawyer ask for fianza or bail, the defendant's lawyer wants him out with no restrictions. All your speculations are incorrect, I can tell you from experience.
Both lawyers and DA smell blood like good sharks, and want some of the cash, and they will get it.
I witnessed a case where the assailant was shot several times, and the judge argued that it was not necessary to shoot so many times, and he could have shot him in the leg. The guy spent months in prison, until he settled and it cost him hundreds of thousands, US not RD.
From reports......the robber's gun jammed which is proof he intended to shot and kill his robbery victim.
Even the armed robber turned gunshot victim in this case has somebody out there who loves him.
However in the case you have quoted ,yes that is also an option for the judge to place an offender in prison until he pays ...but in that case , the offender has been tried and found guilty .
And yes I totally agree that the DA and the lawyers will be hanging around like sharks to get a share of any negotiated settlement or even an agreed fianza .
So we are not too far apart.
We know about gun control laws in Australia, the only ones with guns are the bad guys, police and Military. Crimes with other weapons is at an all time high.
It is my understanding the shooter had a permit to carry and a legal right for self preservation.
In most robbery incidents the mere presence of an firearm by the intended victim is in it's self enough to be able to avoid bloodshed.
Robbers, thieves look for easy unarmed victims, I'll leave you with this.....
"An armed society is a polite society", "I Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6", "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns", "I rather have a gun and never need it then need it and never have it", "Society is safer when the bad guys don't know who's armed".
Maybe this will send a clear message to future robbers.....BE WARE ! The life you intend to take....may be your own.
God only knows how many victims and crimes this now victim has committed in the past.
WTF are you talking about, you and your boy Kiskeyaman,,political correct idiots....have you stop and look at the fact, You have a large population of immigrant and crime goes up.
What Chicago boy
You BS philosophy about gun ownership is not supported by reality. The murder rate in Australia is far lower than in countries with higher gun ownership like USA and the Dominican Republic. A desperate armed robber is more likely to shoot to kill if he believes his victim may be armed.
Per 100,000 the murder rates are:
Australia 1.3
USA 5.0
Dominican Republic 22.0
In Australia it's brute force with other assorted weapons, your firearm deaths are low and from what I'm told your crime rate in general is still high.
Most robbers in general look for the quick easy unopposed victim, most armed robbers are repeat offenders.
95% of all gun related crime are with stolen or illegally obtained firearms.
History reflects gun control boils down to people control, this happens when the Gov. does not trust it's own citizens or plans a take over to control it's citizens.
With legal firearm ownership comes a big personal responsibility on it's SAFE use and storage.
From what I'm told your anti-gun laws only serve to give Auzzies a false sense of security with the fuzzy feel good mentality, yet still your illegal firearms trade [black market] in Auzzieland like your drug trade booms.
Mexico has one of the strictest firearm laws and the local Mexican can't rely on the police or military for protection.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The guy got zapped by the Zappo ......Vive Le France.....one less cucarocha for the guillotine ....The assailant's name was Lester More and his tombstone will read ........." Here Lies Lester More ....Four Shots from a Forty Four....No Less No More "......
There you go again, talking nonsense............
Act your age, John Goulet..............
How sad.
Let's not assume that this permanant resident did not have a carry permit.
Most expats know how to get properly licensed, (although it's quite expensive).
If he does then there should not be any charges against him.
Some posters need to stop applying their 1st world rules (western European and Australian) to developing countries, where life is cheap and you have to watch you back.
TELEMECO as you said 'average Dominican are clean cut and not as dark' This man is maybe a DOMINICAN! the thief or killer man is not always in your country, a HAITIAN! Often it is the act of a DOMINICAN!
You are a perfect shabby, idiot! i think you are a coward because all things which are bad are commited by haitians for you! Your hatred push you to say a lot of crap!
You are the boy of all in USA, I am sure!
i told it, because in DR when a crime is committed by a black, a lot among them, say it's a haitian. It's for that i wrote this question to TELEMECO
kakaman, your "English is not very good looking" like Celia Cruz used to say!Lol.
where you see my english is bad?
i just forget to put a t in front of he dude.
It's just because i writte quick!
If you can not bring a solution to a critic then close your mouth!!!
when u invest in the dr u become a target the proof is in the pudding.
last year or so they killed a guy from italy i also think he owed a hotel in the dr.
u see this guy from france he has to carry a gun? why in paradise?
no one is going to help u if your in trouble in the dr and beieve me your going to be in trouble.
if one gringo your a traget, no other way around it for now
in the dr they dont have a real police force in fact the police and army bring their own crime wave to the dominican people.
and comment is from dominican fellow.
This should be hailed as an example of why responsible people should have better access to handguns. (I am refering to the DR here, and not to developed countries with low crime rates).
Have you seen the prices of a glock in the DR? It's approximately ten times the amount of the retail price in the U.S. This is due to the import restrictions in place.
All those restrictions do is discourage normal people from properly defending themselves and encouraging black market sales.
Let's get real, please.
Unfortunately you are correct. There are now two revenue streams created by the senseless gun control laws (which only restrict gun ownership by responsible citizens/residents).
1) Government will levy ridiculous licensing fees for those who have the thousand of dollars to shell out.
2) Outside of the fees charged to law abiding people, the corrupt government officials will earn money by selling arms on the black market.
If more expats had concealed weapons the average ladron would think twice about robbing him/her.
I would cite most southern African countries as a perfect example of that; Namibia, Botswana, South Africa in particular. A US (or other NA/EU country) concealed carry permit is transferable to those countries.
Living in a developing country is not for sissies, so why try to have laws the disempower the people living and working to build commerce and improve standards of living.