BS, Whatever loser- worst President in our history! You need jail time than exile!

I always remember the scene in Bridge over the River Kwai when Colonel Nicolson , having shown his Japanese captors how well the British and Empire Army can build a complex bridge , ponders over his life time contribution to the world . From contentment he finally realises that his huge effort in building the bridge has been completely the wrong thing and has advantaged the japanese and he says ,,oh my God what have I done .
Similarly , when will LF realise that for all his good efforts in intrastructure improvements and in economic diversity , the DR has become a far less enjoyable place to live in and only a small percentage have enoyed the fruits of his work . We may have better roads and bridges and more shops but the increased crime, the delinquency and the corruption have made life very hard.
His own personal administration and increasing unpopularity has made it very hard for Danilo , whom I hope has different priorities .

If his mission was to leave the country with an illiterate populace, or help to create staggering unemployment, to create a safe haven for drug dealers and criminals,to widen the chasm between the super rich and the poor, to eliminate the middle class, or to let the members of his party get rich beyond their dreams, he certainly accomplished his mission.

This reminds me of another loser ( George Bush) with his "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him as he spoke. He too accomplished nothing.

LF you empty suit, you are a self absorbed POS.

" fulfilled his duty " BS, you don't even act like a President.

Your country is killing itself and you think you did a good job? Pull your head out of your ass. You failed miserably.

Ricardolito, nice analogy.

Ricardolito, A plus for that analysis. as i drove to Samana recently, i noticed how much better the roads were today than they were when i went 5 years ago. i also noticed how many businesses had closed down, because the economy is in such a state of disarray that only the suoer rich can survive.

Give the Devil his dues. Yes, things have a way of NOT working out perfectly nor to ones liking. Many of us would indeed like to see the DR move faster and stronger towards a modern, well governed society with good schooling, good job opportunities for all, good health and sanitation and all the other good things we envision the good society to have. However, to paraphrase Catherine the Great of Russia who told her tutor the French Philosopher Voltaire you write on paper and I'm forced to write on human skin. It's far easier to do your writing on paper.

In our long run of bad and terrible governments LF's terms will not be viewed as having been among the poorest. One only need consider what would DR be like had a certain Hippo been governing our State.

leonel gets a C- grade he did do alot to help the infrastructured , but that where all the good stops . whats the point of driving a well build bridge , if theres no job to go to ?

Is anyone better off today than they were before his "rein"?

The only things that increased during his tenure were food prices, petrol, crime, corruption that is catapaulting the DR to the top tier of corrupt countries around the world!, illiteracy, out of control miliary and police corruption, unemployment,

It is pathetic and tragic.

The people must find someone who will genuinely reform the DR and elect him or her. The choice is theirs. Certainly this ping pong between the PLD and PRD is a joke. Both are responsible for the sad state of affairs in the DR.

Chasbo, i agree with you 100%. roads and bridges are nice, but this guy spent less than Hippo as a percentage of GDP,on education. a country cannot achieve true democracy, let alone progress, without an informed populace. educationally, no progress has been made with 12 years of leadership from Leo. sad, really sad.

I recently saw an extended interview with the Prime Minister of Indonesia who has make enormous progress reducing corruption following Sukharno.

He said the key, first step is to recognize and make it clear to the people and the rest of the world that corruption is the #1 problem. Only then can you start to eliminate it.


Run on a platform of zero tolerance of corruption-Put it front and center and attack is with a vengence. Law enforcement tools of wires, wire taps, "whistle blower" laws make it easy to identify all involved and bring them to justice.

No white collar prisons either!

We do see murmurs of a rising anti-corruption campaign in some areas of Latin America. For instance, in Colombia recently, the Mayor of Bogota was removed from office because of corruption.

"Bogota mayor Samuel Moreno jailed pending trial

The mayor of the Colombian capital, Bogota, has been sent to prison pending his trial on corruption charges."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15044613

That same anti-corruption stance needs to be engrained in DR and throughout Latin America. We can all talk and complain about how poorly LF handled corruption during his term in office, but the truly sad part is that corruption DIDN'T begin with LF. DR was a VERY corrupt society before LF was ever born! We need to keep things in perspective. LF didn't inherent a peaceful, well oiled society with good governance! He did get the society and people of a corrupt and enduring octogenarian, Dr. Balaguer, and the still strong presence of the post-Trujillo regime.

There you go again Atabey, leo is slime. The same way he told the lambones to stay home when he visited the barrios, he could have sent the lambones to jail for corruption in his administration. Leo only demonstrates authority when its beneficial to HIM and HIM only. Lee-flee had an opportunity to become the best president DR has ever had and he decided to side with the elite and the underworld, at the same time lining his pockets making him one of the richest dominican on this island. He abandoned THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND HIM BEING ELECTED and you're okay with it, I say introduce him to the device that consists of a tall upright frame from which a blade is suspended.

Better LEO than most of our past!

and Basta, You're not Dominican, So don't say "worst President in our history."

Written by: RobertoJose, 24 Sep 2011 2:23 PM

"There you go again Atabey, leo is slime."

Nonsense. I'm just trying to see things within the context and historical prospective. Many people here expect politicians to be angels and miracle healers. That's insane. Leo's political education or baptism came after he lost his first term in office DESPITE governing in a fashion that broke with the institutionalized corrupt standards of the republic. Leo broke with the tradition of increasing the overall debt of the republic-the actual decrease in the national debt went DOWN by close to 300 million dollars during his first term in office! And what did the population do? They voted him out and installed the populist Hippo to office! Hippo's populist nonsense about "Los comelo Solos" and his other "you can have it all" nonsense won over the illiterate and traditionally manipulated populace seeking handouts and entitlement over independence and modernity.

After the fiasco of the Hippo Administration the second term of LF was hampered by the necessity to regain market confidence and investments. Yes, it is true that this time around Leo played it both ways and there was a much more lenient posture towards malfeasance and the overall raising levels of corrupt practices. What was needed was to develop the economy and as swiftly as possible. The educational scheme that LF had begun under his first term was given lesser priority to other-in this case transportation needs. LF began to operate in a more traditional political scheme where jobs and patronage become the norm. Yes, he inverted to the traditional posture so enduring in our nation's history. But to be factual, he has also done some modernization that will help future Presidents better the Dominican condition. The installments of institutionalized systems of operation governed by modern standards of computation and degrees of confidence in data cannot be disputed.

The president has fulfilled his dream, now he has to leave a good president to finish it.

Atabey, your comments seem to be the only sane ones here. I/we have been living here 6 years, but if only 1/10th of the stories of the corruption and near bankruptcy of the DR are true, then it is Hippo that belongs in jail for life.
The prime problems affecting this and most other Western Nations, were caused by Bush's asinine policies and programs, that have brought most of the West to their knees. And now the Tea Party have a stated policy of getting black Obama out of office at any price (see Morgan Freeman's comments), and may cause another Depression.
Frankly I think Leonel has done a marvelous job of keeping the DR from the catastrophies of Greece, Portugal, etc etc. This is still a wonderful country of wonderful, mostly happy people, and we are pleased and proud to be here, not in the Bad Ole USA

Atabey, your comments seem to be the only sane ones here. I/we have been living here 6 years, but if only 1/10th of the stories of the corruption and near bankruptcy of the DR are true, then it is Hippo that belongs in jail for life.
The prime problems affecting this and most other Western Nations, were caused by Bush's asinine policies and programs, that have brought most of the West to their knees. And now the Tea Party have a stated policy of getting black Obama out of office at any price (see Morgan Freeman's comments), and may cause another Depression.
Frankly I think Leonel has done a marvelous job of keeping the DR from the catastrophies of Greece, Portugal, etc etc. This is still a wonderful country of wonderful, mostly happy people, and we are pleased and proud to be here, not in the Bad Ole USA

sorry, posted twice

Turned DR into a safe haven for international crooks, and Drugdealers, Increased crimewave due to the lack of will to control it, Keep making his buddies filthy rich, Cater to high society, Destroy the middle class and the poor. Mission accomplished indeed Lambonel!. You got my vote on this one!

hahahahahhahahahaha

This man is a great president, he makes a lot of things for DR!
He have try to make a lot of things for DR!
Good luck mister LF, I hope you can continuous to help your country!

and Basta, You're not Dominican, So don't say "worst President in our history." == Bite me! Thet Haytian Boyer did a better job.

I speak about LF, it was a great president!
I think unhappy it was the last for a long time!

Weak !!!!!!!

I give him credit for spending lavishly in infrastructure; this is in some sectors of the country, mainly in the capital. And not even the entire Santo Domingo, I drove around the city last year and in some areas people are still living in clumsy and ill constructed houses, there was garbage in sight at every corner and crime rates at an all time high. But looking at things objectively we are not making progress in the areas we should like health and education which are the basis for growth both socially and economically. LF had 3 terms to improve live for Dominicans in general and let’s face it, he failed terribly. Mr. Fernandez is to blame for the backward steps we have taken in providing a secure, healthy and fair living environment.
El Gobierno debe mostrarse justo y enérgico...O no tendremos Patria y por consiguiente ni libertad ni independencia nacional. (Juan Pablo Duarte)

Hahaha, all I can say is (F)UCK YOU Leonel. Son of a (b)itch, you're accomplished? Accomplished what? your social status? How much more money you have now? You stupid idiot, if I could, I say this to your stupid looking face. There are no good candidates for the coming election. i sure hope Llego Papa doesn't win, but I dont know if Danilo is any better... So we're f-ed up. I hope Leonel gets effed in the bu(t)t hole.

As someone knowlegeable about Dominican education, both public and private I can tell you that even with less money spent percentage wise the PLD has been much better to education than those monkeys in the PRD. Leonel certainly hasn't lived up to the promise he showed in his first term but most of the difficulty the Dominican economy is suffering from can be directly tied to the global recession. Leonel can't fix things beyond his control. As far as the drug problem, this is a problem started under Hippo and is embedded in the Military and police. The Military controls the government more than people realize.

Either some of the individuals in this forum are too young or really not Dominicans.

- LF worst president (who's a better option).
- It's not worth to have good roads (are you nuts?)
- No jobs (have you checked U.S.A and European jobless numbers?)

Leonel Fernandez has been one of the most stables presidents DR has ever seen. All he's is to follow what a country needs to keep the growth flow: Infrastructure, Educations, and Health. I know some of you might say Education? Are you insane? Well based on reports there more 4,000 college graduates in DR every year, probably not as good as other countries, but they can improve. Health, what's with health? Well, in comparison to some other countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Ecuador (richer than DR and with the same problems or worse), plus others.

So, please we are doing that bad after all. DR simply needs to complete what Leonel has left and we'll be super!!

it makes me angry that people who are currently living in DR can be so blind. I am sure they are PLD members, they are the only ones who like LF since he is their sugar daddy.. i mean come on there are around 50,000 people in the country earning a salary without doing any work (botellas), they are paid to be part of the PLD party and support the government. LF has turned a blind eye to the underworld, nearly all high ranking military personnel are involved in one way or the other in the drug trade. They hire professional killers to do their dirty work for them, people are dying left and right i mean the DR has turned into little Mexico for God's sake and people still have their heads in their asses. Leonel took a dump on Dr. Bosch's tomb.... He was the only one from the PLD who was a serious, honest, democratic and hard working president.

hernandez5482 you are entitled to your opinion and if LEONEL'S BOTELLAS IS ONLY 50,000 He's down about 200,000 from Hippo. It make me angry that people like you have a selctive memory and don't remember what is what like under Hippo. As far as Presidents the R has never had a good one, but Leonel is Head and shoulders better than anything the PRD has.

I think D-Bob sums it up well.... May have never had a truly good P, but Hippo and Trujillo must compete for the worst any country anywhere anytime ,has ever had... esp the Americas.... OOPS I take that... GW Bush is worse still, and his crazy policies have truly brought the West to it's knees

Kered, the exalted one, Obama has screw up more in 3 years that bush did in 8. Bush did plenty wrong but to put the current financial mess on his shoulders is completely wrong. You must drink the Democrat koolaid. Obama is the worse disaster the American have ever elected.

D-Bob... you must be into some great DR Ron. There is absolutely no way Obama can compare with Bush in screw-ups.
Bush started the Iraq war
Bush gave the billionares another billion or three. Never been another war without a tax INCREASE
Bush started a war with zero exit plan
Bush allowed Abu Girab, the worst torture chamber since the Apartheid era.. and I lived there then
Bush dragged to DOW from 14000 to 6740
Bush had the highest unemployment stats since the Great Depression
Obama brought in the Financial Rescue package
The DOW climbed from 6740 to ~11500
Depression was averted till the Tea Party stated they would ANYTHING to ensure Obama was a one-termer.... Destroy the country again like Bush did
NO effing way you can compare the errors of Obama with baby Bush aka King George III, who just like G I was mad, probably with syphilis for G I

Leo you had 8 years to deal with a lot of different issues, you chose to focus on infrastructure and world issues more than to fight corruption, improve education and health issues in your own country, you coward!! you turned your face on your people when they called your name, yet you say every year that our country was showing growth but where were the jobs created from that? unemployment just keeps rising, speaking of rising, you took advantage of rising gas prices only to make more profit for your clang!!, you set curfews that have had no effect bc crime has gotten worse, let narcs rule freely and allowed the penetration the cartels into the military, you could have took swift action and created laws to fight back but you didn't maybe you were scared of a military coup, a true leader is not afraid of the consequences or maybe you were just part of the scheme Leo!!

Kered the tea party has very little power, and all they want is government out of their pocket. Obama couldn't organize a gangbang in a Ho house.

Well, Baby Bush certainly organized a gang-bang in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Wall Street, and look who got screwed.. The people and reputation of the USA

yes kirid and keep sending those drugs in from afghanistan. US military is doing a fine job protecting those opium crops for the bankers that staged 911

Too many people are blinded by emotions.

Leonel is in no way the worst president in our history,nor is he as good as many of his supporters think. He is human and should be measured with all his positives and negatives.

My gripes with Leonel...

1. Focusing too much on Santo Domingo and neglecting provinces
2. Total loss of control in the border with Haiti
3. Increase of Narco terror
4. Refusal to invest more on education

Mostly I believe Leonel to be an intelligent administrator with very little backbone (cojones) to deal with the difficult issue and as a nationalist I am very suspicious of his commitment to DR first and foremost.

Given that ,I think the alternative is much worse (PPH) and instead of improving would make matters worse.

Written by: dominicanbob, 26 Sep 2011 6:24 PM
From: Canada
Kered, the exalted one, Obama has screw up more in 3 years that bush did in 8. Bush did plenty wrong but to put the current financial mess on his shoulders is completely wrong. You must drink the Democrat koolaid. Obama is the worse disaster the American have ever elected


dominicanbob, stick to things that you understand, like botellas. do not try to pontificate upon the US economy, because it is obvious that such a subject lies outside the scope of your intellectual assets.

dominicanbob, please tell us what YOU think Obama has done wrong, in regards to the economy, and what YOU think he should have done. no talking points, please. just YOUR analysis, and research. no Rush Limbaugh stuff. i can listen to that on my own. i want the dominicanbob version.

Perhaps Dreadlocks you can tel me what he has done right. It should be easier as it's a much shorter list. The main thing he has done wrong is created uncertainty for business in regards to taxes and regulation. He has with his fair distribution/tax the rich talk created a class war. If I'm the business guy I'm not going to expand my business under the uncertainty this president has created. His administration treats it's allies worse than it treats its enemies. He blames congress on things held up on his desk....etc. I could on for a few days. He simply isn't up to the job.

I dont know how many of you loudmouths actually have now or did own a business. I was a CEO from 1970, and CEO / owner from 1982. I was a member of a business group when ~1996/7 there was talk of tax increases All 12 owner members laughed, and agreed.. "Just give us a good business climate,where we can MAKE money. Then we can afford to pay taxes"
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Dear Dreadlocks. The most important thing Obama did wrong was to be born Black. The Tea Party have avowed to get rid of him just because he is Black. Then search NY TIMES for an article (or maybe Google) The WHOLE truth, and nothing.... That Prof outlines in exquisite detail how Bush brought the world to its knees...... and YES BUSH IS TOO BLAME

kered, thanks for saying something i have said over and over. as to dominicanbob, i will not bother to engage you in a conversation about economics, because it is patently obvious that you are not up to the task. as to class warfare....have you ever heard about a gentleman called Warren Buffet? well, he agrees that there is a class war, but it is the rich who are fighting it, and winning. stop listening to talk radio, and go take some economics courses, and do some independent research. it is obvious that your knowledge of how government and economics works is very limited.

dominicanbob, can you tell us why you think it is that the US economy is in the state it is in? just a few ideas, please.

What, you can't read goldielocks. I don't listen to talk radio, and it's obvious you can't answer the question I asked you. What has Obama done right, even his own advisor don't agree with him. Don't give me this because he's black crap.He is simly incompetent. Herman Cain is black also, and the tea party has no problem with him. It obvious you are part of the converted and logic and reason do not work with you. I don't have a economic degree, but I have credits in macro-economics, business management, marketing...etc.Warren Buffet, is full of sh-t about his secretary, and he doesn't pay more taxes because of the way he draws his money from his companies.

you loudmouths have a typical US short term view of issues. You need to step back and try and view the BIG picture. Decisions take time to take effect. Bush's decisions, and the effect on the Dow are well documented. The Dow crashed as he was leaving office. The only good thing Bush ever did was start the bail-out program. When the DOW realized Obama would implement it , it started to recover.

Baby Bush is almost certainly the WORST President the US has ever had

Well dahh.. the PLD is better than the PRD and all those small crappy parties... that doesn't mean they are any good. Well, while decisions take time to be accomplished, you need to actually make decisions, and good the decisions to see the results. All Leonel did was become involved in issues with presidents of other countries calling himself the "mediator" while his country was falling apart. All he did was travel throughout to world, yet his country was burning in hell. All he did was say how much growth there has been in the economy, yet the middle class is shrinking, as opposed to expanding on both sides (rich and poor), and people can barely afford a bag of rice (which we produce!) What the heck is this?
Don't talk to me about progress, there's no progress, the only growth is the growth of the people's money in his pocket. That's what he's really talking about!

Definitely agree with whomever said that people in the DR are really blinded.. True, but the PRD is not a better party. God forbid they win! We, the voters need to stand up in May and not actually vote. If no one votes the system will fall apart and then we will be actually making a statement, not to our politicians, but to the world. To those that call themselves "the watchers for crystal clear, free of corruption, elections" so that they see that there's a problem here and actually interfere, because our politicians are a bunch of idiots that know nothing about leadership, economy, growth, culture, love for your country. If we're going to copy the US, please let's copy them in the things that they do better... which is standing up for their country and serving the people first (not counting Busch!) Let's be patriotic and not a bunch of assh*les in the way

To vote is a MUST. It is your only way to have a say. Those who do not vote, have no right to complain at what they get. I refuse to discuss politics with NON voters

Obama and his administration have nothing to do with the financial crisis we know since 2007 (Subprimes) and the recent "mini-crisis" that we have in Europe ( Greece etc).

The crisis we know all over the world is due to the Bankers (to put all in the same bags: investment, retail, commercial, central banks ) and their Fckup ways. I'm working in Investment banking and Asset management (Front Office), since 10 yrs, they are the true devils.

The guys who invented the current banking system are true and skilled genious, cause many of us are slaves and we don't know it.

I saw one saying that LF did better then Greece LOL ! LF sold your country to the banksters, all infrastructures (metro, roads, bridges etc) has been financed with the banksters' money and the profits are falling back in Western Bankers and Companies' pockets

GWB is the dumbest useless president that US has never known. How do you think the wars of Afghanistan and Irak have been financed ???

9/11 hides one of the biggest financial fraud of history , few days before the events , PUT Options have been bought by thousands in many wall street banks . Those of you who know economics / finance see the point...They knew that stock prices were going down before the twin towers were attacked.


My question : how the hell did they know ? Ben Laden and his crew gave them a call to warn them ? BS !

In finance the 1st who get/got the information makes profit. Many Banks went out of the subprime crisis without ANY damages (they even made huge profits) : Jamie damon, john J Mack, Lloyd Blankfein , Brian Moynihan


Bankers initiate crisis to make profits, hard to believe but that's the game...

kered,

that's where you are wrong. voting is NOT a must, that's where our problem starts. If all your candidates ARE A problem, and you vote for one of them then YOU are the part of the problem, and YOU have not right to complain about anything. You voted for the bad candidate, so you should shut up at suck it up. The non-voter, is part of the solution, because you're not voting for some stupid idiot. That's what people don't understand. If people were smarter they would be able to see that. Has voting solved any of the problems in DR? No, it has just made them worse. Even though I voted last time, this May is a non-voting year for me, and that is my vote for the DR candidates, and I have ALL THE RIGHT in the world to complain all I want.

Nehesy,

But the DR has been in crisis way before that, and nobody does anything about it. The economy in the US is actually improving and things are slowly, but surely getting better. I don't know how it's like in Paris, but the US is improving somewhat. The DR is just getting worse.
Gas was super expensive in the middle of the recession, it went all the way up to 4 and something dollars in Iowa, which is one of the states that has cheaper gas! Now it's 3. 10 or so. The barrel of petroleum is going down in prize, yet gas is more expensive than ever in the DR. We don't even buy gas from the Middle East, we buy it from Venezuela, who also has an agreement with the DR and sells it cheaper to make it easier on the people of the country. Yet Leonel taxes gas so much so that he can have money, no one feels the difference.

dominicanbob, i will not indulge you in a discussion of the economic issues, since it is obvious that you have no knowledge of the matter. your credits in macroeconomics notwithstanding, you are just another simpleton that listens to talking points of the Republican party in the USA. you need BACKGROUND. go read some elementary economic textbooks, and get an idea of what we are talking about. then go read some civics texts, and understand how the US congress functions. i am not going to waste my time on some guy like you, who obviously has no concept of what is going on. i leave you with two words...AGGREGATE DEMAND. google it, and it will be a starting point for your research into this matter. dismissed.

dominicanbob, i will not indulge you in a discussion of the economic issues, since it is obvious that you have no knowledge of the matter. your credits in macroeconomics notwithstanding, you are just another simpleton that listens to talking points of the Republican party in the USA. you need BACKGROUND. go read some elementary economic textbooks, and get an idea of what we are talking about. then go read some civics texts, and understand how the US congress functions. i am not going to waste my time on some guy like you, who obviously has no concept of what is going on. i leave you with two words...AGGREGATE DEMAND. google it, and it will be a starting point for your research into this matter. dismissed.

Dreadocks what a copout and a rude one at that. Obviously you are far more ignorant about economics than you imply. I'll bet you have a government job. I'm well versed in American government and history. Obama is attempting a version of FDR's New Deal, and it's working just as poorly.

bob, i have two economists for you to read. one is Hyman Minsky, the other is Murray Rothbard.l they will help you understand what is at the root of the current collapse, and why there is precious little ANY president can do to rectify it in three years, because the problems are structural. as to rude copouts....you are the ape that referred to me as goldielocks in one of your postings. if you stick around long enough, it will become obvious to you that i am no shrinking violet, and do not suffer fools gladly. you want a civil discourse, i will engage you. you want to inject your chopo manners into the narrative, stand by for incoming.

hey, dominicanbob, care to tell us how poorly FDR´s New Deal worked? i mean, give us your analysis, and tell us what alternatives YOU would have applied. similarly, since YOU criticize Obama´s policies, tell us what YOU, based on the formidable ability for economic analysis that YOU possess, would do differently. do not tell me what your right wing mentors think. i want YOUR reasoning. after all, you have credits in macroeconomic theory, and i am ignorant. i am all ears, waiting for a good laugh. you are the typical yoyo who did a few seminars on basic supply and demand, and wishes to lock horns with people who know more than you do about this subject. maybe i do have a government job. do you have any kind of a job?

Not to VOTE, is to invite another Dictator to power. All Dominicans should remember Trujillo, and VOTE. Yes we all get good and bad, but at least we can Vote them out, and dont have to shoot them... Only fools and morons advocate not voting

That doesn't mean a dictator will come, that doesn't make any sense! And no, Dominicans can't vote anyone out. Why did Hipolito do what he did and never got kicked out? Why did Leonel do everything he wanted with gas prices, with food price, with everything and he's still there and saying "I'm accomplished"? Because they don't feel threatened by the people. If the people would take action when the government is doing things this badly, then we wouldn't have to take drastic measures as no voting.. Anyways, I still think the democratic system is corrupt, especially ours, and democracy is not the most perfect system like it's so advertised. Please, let's not be fools and puppets of the man.

You must be a moron that you're so idiotically convinced that voting is good. That's why the US is number one and the rest of Latin America is the third world, because of ignorant people like you that they don't have.

Ings, Voting is the ONLY thing that gives us any FREEDOM... The kind of freedom that all of N Africa has just exploded to get, that Russia turned around some years ago. As I said earlier, only fools and morons, and let me add imbeciles, dont vote................. Which one are you???????????

Bullshit, thats why Russia is falling apart and Africa is chaos. Dont give me the crap about democracy being the only way to freedom... BS... The most democratic governments are very oppressive. what about all the banned books like The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark twain, banned? Banned my butt. Dont give me your voting crap because the DR is not free at all, free from what?

Ing, you need to study a lot more. As a South African white that grew up under the Apartheid are of Verwoerd and Vorster, I have an understanding of freedom that you will surely never achieve. Africa is in trouble because of the Dictators that have grabbed power. Check the length of terms of any African leader. Many are 40-50 years... or recently died with 40-50. They were granted freedom in the 60's, but grabbed power and stayed.
Russia is only marginally different. Putin is trying to come back after a puppet for 4-5 years, and be the next Tsar , aka DictATOR of Russia
Do you seriously want Hippo back as the next DR Dictator???? Only the ballot box, for all its flaws, can stop that... so VOTE VOTE VOTE, get all your friends and family to VOTE
Only ball cancer may save Venezuela from the next DICTATOR grabbing power.... somewhat appropriate!!!!

You're the one that needs to study more, democracy is NOT the only way out! That's the problem.
And that's exactly why I don't think voting is the option, because I DONT want Hipolito back as freaking president. He destroyed the country las time, and the things I could do before, I couldn't do then. That doesn't mean Danilo is a good candidate either. That's what I mean, there are no options! We can't keep going the way that Leonel is taking the country, he's taxing things that don't need to be taxed, just so that he can have that money, because look at our streets, they are a mess! Yes we got the new underpasses and overpasses, but look at the one in Av. Churchill, is falling apart. Underpasses, overpasses, subway are very useful, yes, but they need maintenance, and it's not given to them. I don't know if that's safer. The overpass falls, the underpass floods, the subway crashes and hundreds of people will die!

Yes, PLD puts more effort into education, but they don't even want to give it the percentage that BY LAW it deserves!! Constitution is a word that means nothing in the Dominican Republic. How many times has the constitution changed just because they want to achieve some personal goal, like re-election? Don't tell me to study more, I think you're the one that needs to study more. Look at the facts and stop looking at the "dream." Yes, democracy is the ideal system on paper, in reality is not working as well, and probably none of the existing systems are ideal, maybe we should come up with something better. Sorry, but there's no one to vote for in the next elections, I feel that my hands are tied, I don't think that's the way it should be in an election. Picking the least bad is not an option.

"Africa is in trouble because of the Dictators that have grabbed power"

African is in trouble because of Neo - Colonialism. Western powers (France, UK, USA etc) put their own puppets as presidents : Mubarak , Ben Ali, Mobutu, Omar Bongo, Eyadema etc. All these monkeys have been put in place by western powers and were (are) multi-billionaires.

Neocolonialism is still there for geopolicy and wealth reason. African is the richest continent of this world : Oil, Gold, Diamonds, Uranium, Coltan

Now some vampires need these commodities, the only solution is to control african countries by selecting dictators. ALL Dictators in Africa are supported by western powers. If you try to resist they kill you (Patrice Lumumba killed by CIA and Belgium or Sylvius Oympio killed by Eyadama the future president of Togo) or you have a civil war. Like European Slave Traders before they need some traitors to do the job.

In France we have some havoc in the political scene these last days...

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A guy spoke about the millions that African Dictators gave to the parties (Right/Left) for presidency elections.It's a well known fact since Charles De Gaulle's time and his african policy maker (Jacques Koch Foccart). African dictators pay their tranquility to the western governments to do what they want.

Another example, is with the multinational TOTAL. French / Gov supported the traitor and thief Sassou Nguesso because he didn't ask for the 'right price" (OIL) against Pascal Lissouba who said to the French FU, if you don't pay good we'll go the Brits or US. These criminals provoked a civil war ,armed and supported their puppet( french army & soldiers, mercenaries, french secret services). AREVA has the uranium market in NIGER and kill people with the nuclear wastes they're burying evrywhere.

Africa will be free from the dictators when we will be free from the western powers. South Africa is still controlled by the western powers.

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Now democracy in western world is BS. Here in paris/France, some people went to jail or are under surveillance ONLY because they speak about some things that are forbidden (they call you then Terrorist/Fascist etc)

At the moment we're talking european jails are full of politic prisoners. It's more violent in 1/3 country , but more vicious in Europe (they destroy your life using "legal" weapon)

I refuse to demean myself by further arguments with fools, morons and imbeciles that dont vote

Hahaha, so you probably should stop looking at yourself in the mirror, because it seems like you're the only fool and idiot around here!
You just know you're wrong, you know that there are no options, you know they are all bad, you know that we're going to hell no matter who wins...And you know that you're just choosing who you think is least bad, that's why you're mad, because you now know that you're too dumb to see the truth. Feel sorry for ya, but I'm also done with you, you're obviously not intelligent, there's no way you can make dumb people understand things.

Nehesy, thanks for being the only smart person!!! Some people can't see beyond their noses, so they talk about voting for the least bad so that we can all F up together. I don't want to be worse than I already am with your dumb bad presidents, Kered. He probably has some sort of position promised with the government... shame on you

@ Ings089

I was born here and I don't vote either , you know why ? Right or Left is the same poison for my original continent , for my current life here in france, for native French people.

It's like choosing between AIDS 1 and AIDS 2 ==> Either way you're FUP , and I don't participate to this general screwing at least my conscience is clear..

Democracy is BS never existed even in ancient Greece...Democracy really exists for a VERY SMALL scope (those who lead us, I'm not speaking about politicians who are themselves puppets).

I'm in living in a so called democracy but you can go in jail in france ONLY because you criticize the system or some particular groups...

Some people still think that Obama or Bush JR/SR or Clinton are/ were the true presidents of the US ?? JFK was killed like a dog and he was supposed to be the most powerful man of his time.

True Democracry is a myth , either in "Modern" countries or in the 1/3 world : it will never happen

sadly, i agree whole heartedly with Nehesy. every election cycle, i wake up one morning to the news that John X, or James Y, is running for presidency of some so called democratic country. nobody has ever asked me, or any of my friends, if we have an interest in running for president. they have never asked anyone i know of for their resume and bona fides, and put the whole issue to a selection process. yes, firstly a trip to a psychologist, and a psychiatrist, to determine if the candidate has the temperament to rule. then, to probe into the inner sanctum of his psyche, to see if he has the credits to act honorably, once elected. all i ever get to vote for is some guy chosen by a political machine, which includes all but a diminimus segment of the population...a cartel of hucksters and hoodlums, bent on inflicting misery on the planet, while stealing everything that is not tightly nailed down. i pass. nobody is worth the time voting requires. not under current rules.

Nehesy,

You just read my mind. It's like you found the right words for what I mean about politics! So THANK YOU, because I know that there's someone out there that agrees with me :)