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Port-au-Prince.- Dominican Republic and Haiti will mark the second anniversary of the quake of January 12, 2010, today Thursday, in the site where the Dominican State built an university it donated to its neighbor as a gesture of solidarity, two years after the island’s worse catastrophe in a century.

Haiti president Michel Martelly and Dominican par Leonel Fernandez are slated to arrive in Limonade, 15 kilometers south of Cape Haitien, in Haiti’s north, where the Dominican Government and the private sector built the university complex at a cost of more than US$30 million.

On Monday Martelly thanked the Dominican Government’s “willingness to cooperate for a better Haiti on the island.”

“President Fernandez has demonstrated it with the university, by sending a delegation in each crisis, with his help after the earthquake,” Martelly said, quoted by newspaper Listin Diario.

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Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 4:50 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Where is the 4%?
Written by: telemeco, 12 Jan 2012 5:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
My fellow Dominican you just make the biggest investment ever, you have help the poor Haitian get a better future an education, doesn't that just make you feel warn inside. Although Many Dominican have book and school to go to and others don't, still Haiti have none of these. This is Leo propaganda pitch to the 4 percentage lobby
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 5:09 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Who to believe?

US$30 million or:

"While in begining it was said that the work would cost $50 million, in the end it has cost US$ 75 million, coming from public and private funds in the words of his own Themistocles Montás, Minister of economy, planning and development, in his report to the World Summit on the future of Haiti, held in Dominican Republic in June 2010."

http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....ersidad-que-prometio-a-Haiti.html
Written by: Ricardolito, 12 Jan 2012 5:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
Congratulations to the Dominican people and to the government for assisting Haiti in their dreadful period , Many. including myself may not like the never ending line of illegal Haitians entering the DR which has enough of its own problems...but this nhas been a wonderful gesture to our neighbours who are in a far worse position than we are .
Yes telemeco.. I do feel warm inside .
You can contrast this action to neighbouring poor countries in Africa ..and I think our actions in helping Haiti have moved us much higher up the moral ladder .
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 5:23 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"have moved us much higher up the moral ladder'

Not to mention the fattening of the bank accounts of Lie-onel, Margarita and Felix Bautista!

http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....ollo-llegan-a-Panama-y-Haiti.html
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 5:26 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Blast from the past:

"In only four years {Lie-onel's} Government owes to education more than 73 billion pesos, says Coalition"

“Dozens of children demand from the Government 4% for education”

http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....ierno-el-4-para-la-educacion.html
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 5:40 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Temporarily dislocated:
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 5:43 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
Pointless
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2012 6:12 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Haiti is the recipient of large flows of investments from foreign governments, and will remain one of the few countries in the region so awarded. Guess what nation will have a sizable chunk of the future work?

Sometimes you have to pay to play. LF is just paying and at the same time earning for DR some positive news, a humanitarian gesture on the part of the DR and her people towards the people and State of Haiti. That plays very well in the international arena.

There's already talk about a possible railroad network to facilitate the flow of goods and services between the two nations. DESARROLLO

Consejo solicita a LF construir un ferrocarril

Héctor Rizek Llabaly.

Juan Eduardo Thomas
S D

El Consejo Regional de Desarrollo (CRD) solicitó ayer al presidente Leonel Fernández aprovechar su visita a la vecina nación de Haití para acordar la construcción y puesta en operación de un ferrocarril que comunique a ambas naciones,
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2012 6:16 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
lo cual permitiría, según las consideraciones de la entidad, lograr progreso humano, crecimiento comercial y desarrollo entre los dos países.

http://www.listin.com.do/economia....ita-a-LF-construir-un-ferrocarril

And other investments.

"However, the way in which Europe will provide future development assistance and the countries and areas that it will be directed at, are about to change.
..
"What this means is that when present EU programmes are at an end, almost all assistance to the region other than for Haiti, will be through public-private programmes and that the traditional basis for bilateral support will in most Caribbean nations come to an end."

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....changing-its-development-strategy

LF is making a play for some of these current and future investment projects. At least that's my take on matters.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 6:22 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"That plays very well in the international arena."

That may be the case but the "international arena" does vote on May 2Oth and the majority of Dominicans here and DR I have spoken at minimum don't support this resume filling adventure by Lie-onel.

They believe that “Charity Begins at Home” especially when it’s not your own money!
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2012 6:35 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
I doubt that the propaganda machine will not make hay out of this generous act by the people of the DR towards their poorer neighbor. So await a blitz of positive news cycles to begin and Dominicans like it when people around the world praise them for being generous towards Haitians. With all the bad mouthing that the DR takes in the international arena, positive gestures like this one create real benefits for the Nation and State of the Dominican Republic.

Stop and think for a moment.
Written by: WDCDR1, 12 Jan 2012 7:49 AM
From: United States
In the Dominican Republic, the name of the university is controversial as King Henri Christophe is known as a "butcher" for having ordered the massacres of an estimated 10,000 Dominicans and beheadings of children in Santiago and Moca (beheading of 40 children at a Moca church) during the bloody Haitian invasion of 1805.
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 8:12 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats

No matter what Atabey. It will never balance out , my country is a circus act in the eyes of the arena.

For every positive there is at least 6 negatives:

50+ million USD for a University in a foreign country ? When we could have used that to update the high schools so that the fire of education isn't turned out for the future or support the bean crop that leonel promised would pay for the oil refined in our own refinery or helped rehab the oldest university in the Americas or rehab the countless unprepared police station that aren't capable of receiving detrimental information on criminals on the lamb or rehab the zona colonial or used to round up all illegals, put a couple of dollars in their pockets, send them off to the other side and retrain or recruit new border patrol agents that are fully screened....... the list goes on.

Wasteful spending is how most corporations go under......


Written by: anonimous, 12 Jan 2012 9:06 AM
From: United States
Dear friends,

As a Dominican who has been outside of the country for many years, I can do nothing but applaud the government's investment in Haiti, namely with the building of this university. As many of you would realize, education is indeed a vital ingredient in the development of society. Where education is lacking, people live below their potential simply because they don't know any better.

I respectfully disagree with the view of some, that the DR should not have spent that amount of money in a foreign country because the money could have been used in the DR. Let's face it, every country has needs and problems that need to be resolved. Yes, even in the U.S. and other industrialized nations of the world, where education is great, there are still many things that need to be fixed. I think the key issue here is to look at the "big picture" of the great nation of Haiti and hope that this university will prove to have a lasting impact in the development of the country.
Written by: Botemon, 12 Jan 2012 9:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic, La Isabella
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatc..../120110/haiti-earthquake-aid-rice
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 9:51 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
You should visit more often and see for yourself. The bigger picture you currently see is water based and soon the real picture will be exposed.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 10:04 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


anonimous,

Join Date: 12 January 2012, 8:50 AM

Gald you decided to Join today Lie-onel , I mean anonimous!
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 10:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Stop and think for a moment"

Something you should get in the habit of doing before your automatic knee jerk reaction to spin every grotesque self-promotional move that Lie-one makes at the expense of the Dominican taxpayer, in your not so covert way of giving him cover!

"Te conozco Bacalao aunque venga Disfrazao' "
Written by: anonimous, 12 Jan 2012 10:18 AM
From: United States
Friends,
I forgot to point out that although I left the country 11 years ago, I have visited approximately 9 times since I left. Also, most of my family lives in the DR, so I am not totally disconnected to the challenges the country has faced and is facing. Being born into a family with limited economic means, I can honestly appreciate the reality of being there because I have. What I am simply advocating is for us to be supportive of the gesture the DR has made in contributing to the development of Haiti. Most of us would agree that although the economic situation in the DR is not the greatest, it is certainly better than Haiti. I simply don't see anything wrong in lending a helping hand to a neighboor in need. I wonder what would the world be like if for example the U.S. just kept to themselves and didn't care about the poor and destitute of the world. Of course, in a perfect world, every country would be stable enough to take care of its citizens but that world is non-existant.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 10:18 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Inquiring non Kool-Aid drinking MINDS want to know:


“As taxpayers we are calling on the Government to provide the public the details of the expenditure of more than 1,900 million pesos that will pay the people.”

"How was it funded? What is the total cost? Who built it? Who were the suppliers?"


http://desdelarepublicadominicana.blogspot.com/
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 11:33 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
Leo also said USA this and USA that, look what he has done for the country.....NOTHING!!!!! Everything that leo pushes is for his own benefit .....He's a real estate agent and a CON!!!!

Written by: Pouchon20012, 12 Jan 2012 12:25 PM
From: Haiti
I would like to take this time to say a big "THANK YOU" to the People of the Dominican Republic and his Excellency Dr. Leonel Fernandez. We are extremely grateful for this extra ordinary gift. A gift, that we will use to educating our children so they can have hope of a better, brighter future and be useful to the world. We will safeguard and cherish this gift for generations to come. Thank you again!!!
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 1:00 PM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
I understand your appreciation, but , the food is being taken from the mouths of our children for personal gain and no one see it that way
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 1:05 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Pouchon20012,

Joined 12 January 2012, 12:19 PM

Starnge, but welcome Felix, I mean Pouchon20012!
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 1:20 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"I wonder what would the world be like if for example the U.S'
.

The point is we are not the United States of America:


Dominican GDP- $51.63 billion (2010 est.)

US GDP $14.66 trillion (2010 est.)

We are not even Puerto Rico $64.84 billion (2010 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....s/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html


Written by: poponlaburra, 12 Jan 2012 1:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net


Sacrilege!!! It’s a disgrace for the Dominican people what Leonel has done. In Santiago and the rest of the Cibao (El Cibao who practically financially support the whole country) the schools are deteriorating, especially after the Haitian earthquake which tremors affected our buildings.

It’s an offense to our people that Leonel goes to Haiti to build an expensive collage when our primary schools are in despair.

Just to think I used to like Leonel.
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2012 1:33 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: WDCDR1, 12 Jan 2012 7:49 AM
From: United States
In the Dominican Republic, the name of the university is controversial as King Henri Christophe is known as a "butcher" for having ordered the massacres of an estimated 10,000 Dominicans and beheadings of children in Santiago and Moca (beheading of 40 children at a Moca church) during the bloody Haitian invasion of 1805. "

Generoso pointed this out earlier on another thread, and I agree that the name certainty could use a Change as I'm from Santiago originally. But the salient point is that even with all the baggage of historical recriminations between the two sides, this example by the people and State of the Dominican Republic is an honorable and just contribution towards Haiti's resuscitation as a viable State and Nation. It's a small but significant way of showing the world that DR does share in the universal value of helping out her destitute western neighbor. We are better as a nation and state for doing so.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 1:47 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Just to think I used to like Leonel."


poponlaburra,


I respect you for saying the truth!


The fact is he bamboozled many of us me include!
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 1:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Sacrilege!!! It’s a disgrace for the Dominican people what Leonel has done. In Santiago and the rest of the Cibao (El Cibao who practically financially support the whole country) the schools are deteriorating, especially after the Haitian earthquake which tremors affected our buildings."

Atabey after reading statements like the one above do you still think the news of spending 25, 30, 50 or 75 million US dollars on a foreign university at the expense of the desperate educational needs of the Dominican children is playing well in the republic?
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2012 1:56 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
It's not a popular decision but it's the correct one. We need to think prudently.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 2:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"It's not a popular decision but it's the correct one."

Finally the Mule moves a little.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2012 2:08 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Atabey don’t feel bad you tried your best; but not even Paul Joseph Goebbels can spin this positive for the Führer!
Written by: RobertoJose, 12 Jan 2012 2:16 PM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
Pop, he conned everyone, even when he went to Freeport which is heavily populated with Cibaenios. My poor friend who is freeports treasurer endorsed him and now she has egg on her face.
Written by: HaitianDominicanPuertorican, 12 Jan 2012 2:56 PM
From: Puerto Rico, United States, HAITI, Puerto Rico
As I said in the other forum, countries give gifts to other countries all the time. Gifts have been given to my PR, Dominican Republic too, and other countries. This is foreign policy, good will gesture that countries do. I think its more of a PR strategy. Haiti has some colleges and universities but seeing that they have a population of 10 million, they do need more schools and this new university will help the problem a little. Great contribution from the dominican government.
Written by: Antichrist, 12 Jan 2012 6:03 PM
From: United States
1. It was not Kristof who went into the former spanish territory......it was the great Desalin; Haiti's founding father.

2. The campus is a gift..and as such Haiti can name it any name they want.

3. The EU provided the funds for DR to build the campus.

4. The high-school like campus should be used as a technical school to teach usable trades and to serve the needs of the new korean industrial zone being built in the north.
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