Written by: williom, 28 Jan 2012 4:41 AM
From: United States
Josean's man looks very happy ;) Now what?
Written by: juanb, 28 Jan 2012 5:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
If only he had a chance.
Written by: zooma, 28 Jan 2012 8:32 AM
From: United States
He has stars in his eyes, an idealist. If by any remote chance this candidate ever attains the high office he would have to form an alliance with one fo the majority parties to endorse any of his party's platform. The Country Alliance Party would have the chance of a snowball in the DR to pass of its legislation as the majority controls the process. Therefore, back to the same ol, same ol
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From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
I am not optimistic that he will win. Nor that a new party can survive. However, it is what we need.
DR needs a drastic change from the normal . I am worried that PLD will rule again. If that is the case WE ARE DOOMED and I believe that events will take place and Margarita Insipida will be President
Written by: BASTA, 28 Jan 2012 8:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Margarita Insipida will be President = Good god no, not the Pork Chop!
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jan 2012 9:29 AM
From: United States
I remember a recent Presidential Campaign in which the Candidate promised "Hope & Change"
And we all know how that turned out!
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 10:03 AM
From: Australia
It seems everyone is aware of the appalling track-record of both major parties. Why is voting for a minor party out of the question?
Even if they sell-out to the highest bidder, we're no worse off. If you won't vote for change, then accept the status quo and stop complaining.
I think the heroic founding fathers would turn in their graves it they knew what has become of the democracy they fought so hard and sacrificed so much for.
From: United States
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jan 2012 9:29 AM
From: United States
I remember a recent Presidential Campaign in which the Candidate promised "Hope & Change"
And we all know how that turned out!
i do not. tell me, please
From: United States
The problem is most Dominicans cannot see anything beyond today. The PLD and PRD are so against giving the public a good education because they know if the masses become educated eventually their place in office will be gone either through voting or by force. Look through history and you will see how criminals control a country by keeping them uneducated. Just look at how stupid some of the DT readers are and you can see how it is working.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 11:15 AM
From: Australia
It seems everyone is aware of the appalling track-record of both major parties. Why is voting for a minor party out of the question?
Even if they sell-out to the highest bidder, we're no worse off. If you won't vote for change, then accept the status quo and stop complaining.
I think the heroic founding fathers would turn in their graves it they knew what has become of the democracy they fought so hard and sacrificed so much for.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 11:16 AM
From: Australia
I have yet to find a detailed analysis of each party's policies and platform, or even a summary, just portraits and the occasional slogan.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 11:19 AM
From: Australia
He seems to have unanimous support on this site.
What's wrong with the rest of the country? Are they:
1) Uninformed?
2) Unpatriotic?
3) Apathetic?
4) Stupid?
5) all four of the above?
Fortunately the goon with multiple names on this site can't cast multiple votes in the election - or can he?
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 11:26 AM
From: Australia
Maybe things won't change because the Dominican rationale is thus:
"My vote is more important than anyone ease's so I won't waste it on someone until enough other voters, (less important than me) give him a chance of winning, then I might jump on the band-wagon too."
Yeah?
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Show Hippo-Loco he ain't worth a rat arse, vote for Moreno!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 12:20 PM
From: Australia
Maybe things won't change because the Dominican rationale is thus:
"My vote is more important than anyone ease's so I won't waste it on someone until enough other voters, (less important than me) give him a chance of winning, then I might jump on the band-wagon too."
Yeah?
Written by: Atabey, 28 Jan 2012 12:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
Regardless who wins this year, all parties will adhere to the document below. The DR has taken on certain responsibilities and obligations with the WTO, IMF, WB, IDB, DR-CAFTA, AND others that will condition or restrain any future candidate's attempt to significantly modify the trajectories.
NATIONAL ACTION PLAN
TO STRENGTHEN TRADE RELATED CAPACITIES:
CONFRONTING THE CHALLENGES OF GLOBALIZATION (2010)
PROJECT PROFILES
http://www.seic.gov.do/comercioex....glish%20Version%20-%20101019_.pdfWritten by: juanb, 28 Jan 2012 5:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
If only he had a chance.'
100% true.
But remember: there is No perfect system
"It is good to see science expose these corruptions of democracy. Yet science also hints that, in general, democracy isn’t quite what it is popularly sold as."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....y-isnt-all-it-is-cracked-up-to-be Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 12:30 PM
From: Australia
VeronicaDR, states
"Just look at how stupid some of the DT readers are and you can see how it is working."
Absolutely, they can't answer your criticism with a rational rebuttal, so they use aliases to grey you out. Pathetic cowards!
Written by: Atabey, 28 Jan 2012 12:33 PM
From: United States, NYC
Top of the morning Roy. Is dready behaving himself?
Written by: Atabey, 28 Jan 2012 12:56 PM
From: United States, NYC
Sapere aude!
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jan 2012 12:58 PM
From: United States
Written by: dreadlocks,
"i do not. tell me, please"
Why bother? You are one of the lazy, immoral, moochers have benefited from Obama's class warfare, more hand-outs and crony socialism.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Anthony 1, Dread 0.
oh wait, it's only the first round. Lol.
Written by: generoso, 28 Jan 2012 1:17 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Most voters only vote for the candidates that they believe have a good chance to win the elections, so the other candidates have a tough time gathering enough votes, because of financial and exposure challenges.
When the PLD (governing party) first participated in the DR elections it only got a few thousand votes, and gradually it began to grow exponentially until their first victory in 1996 with the strong support in the run off, and with the full backing of Balaguer's PRSC party, the rest is history. The difference is that the PLD had some very hard core members and their party structure was designed in a more segregated way, with a loyal and persistent following.
Guillermo Moreno could be a future power option if he is able to continue gathering support and financial backing, as well as adepts from other parties that will join his cause, mainly Eduardo Estrella and Hatuey Descamps.
Written by: Atabey, 28 Jan 2012 1:26 PM
From: United States, NYC
Indeed he might be a future power player, Generoso. And by then he will also be a consistent supporter of the general agreements and international commitments the DR has taken on.
From: United States
Why bother? You are one of the lazy, immoral, moochers have benefited from Obama's class warfare, more hand-outs and crony socialism.
you mean like how your people, the Miami Cubans, got every handout , known to man, yet you come on this site and berate everyone else, calling people moochers? besides,i did not get one benefit from Obama. don't even collect Social Security. nobody gave my people anything. every Jamaican in the USA had to make it on his own, be it legally, or illegally. no open door policy. no wet foot-dry foot policy for my people. your people are the only ones who got HANDOUTS. yes, show me HANDOUTS for Jamaicans. show me data that suggests that Jamaicans are among the list of high level welfare recipients. failing that, go back to helping your buddies at Alpha66 build explosives to kill innocent civilians.
Written by: Atabey, 28 Jan 2012 1:58 PM
From: United States, NYC
Easy dready, it's only 1pm! and many more hours await.
Written by: Yucahu, 28 Jan 2012 2:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
All the independent parties need to ban together to defeat the two traditional parties. PLD is already in control of EVERYTHING, all three estates so it's really Dictadura con apoyo popular like Bosch wrote and articulated. PLD is the best alternative to PRD, Hippo loco is just loco to be trusted again.
If Danilo screws up, or is to independent minded he will be bumped off, he knows he will just be in place to help Mamma come into power. So guys forget about it. PLD4LIFE....
There is gonna be a terremoto too, GAWD how effen awful it looks.
Dread baby, you are spot on. truth to power baby as usual. Your balanced and a str8shooter, so don't let that man's h8tn pollute, you gold dawg, you gold....
Written by: lovingit, 28 Jan 2012 2:52 PM
From: United States, Delaware
I didn't think I would see the day when the political race in the US and DR would be similar where people will end up voting for the lesses or two evils. The US has two parties Republicans and there are Democrats, then the independents (that get no time of day). Imagine how dysfunctional the government would be if an independent won? espcially how things have been in congress where the two major political parties can't agree on the simplest things? Throw in a non-partician and see what happens.
The Democrats are running with Obama of course, for a second term, he has had mainly good intentions, but the fighting in congress has blocked most. I don't see that changing much on his second term.
Republicans? what a joke set of candidates they have (I call them the Hippo like candidates) Couldn't they find a better set of people to represent them?
Written by: lovingit, 28 Jan 2012 2:53 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Dread
Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?
I know a couple of Dominican-Jamaicans that live in DR... one of them is actually a casino manager in a Hotel in Punta Cana.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 2:58 PM
From: Australia
VeronicaDR, states
"Just look at how stupid some of the DT readers are and you can see how it is working."
Absolutely, they can't answer your criticism with a rational rebuttal, so they use aliases to grey you out. Pathetic cowards!
From: United States
A vote for Guillermo Moreno is the vote of protest against traditional parties.
Your vote, even if he does not win, will never go to waste, it will eventually be one vote closer to the win..................!
Lets give this man a chance and the PLD, PRD and PRSC a run for their money.
From: United States
the problem with DR is 90 percent of the population would rather take 200 pesos for their vote than fight for a better tomorrow. in DR people want money the easy way so its extremely difficult for this country to prosper when the majority of people dont care about the country, this country can only civilize itself in prob about 50 years of american tv, you know how american tv channels have subliminal messages and in the 30 frames per second a tv sends your eyes, they usually sneak in a few brainwashing frames in there, thats what dominicans need, some good brainwashing to think of a better tomorrow so that this country can be a diff place a few years from today.
at times i kind of wished trujillo ran this country still without the mass murdering of haitians of course. things were much better when he was president.
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jan 2012 5:25 PM
From: United States
Dready throws a Hissy fit because the truth was pointed out to him so that everyone can see.
He has to resort to ethnic insults and ignorant, generalization even though he knows exactly ZERO about me, my history or my background.
Here is a little info for my jealous, mooching pal. I never took a dime of government assistance. NEVER! As for your sad little argument about Cuban Refugees......"F*CK EM" I am against any special aid for them.
I do approve of granting them special immigrant status just like I believe that people for other countries that are victims of murderous, government repression such as North Korea, Sudan, Burma, Zimbabwe and others......But that is it. Welcome to the USA...Now get a job!
Which is advice I give to you as well.......GET A JOB!!!!
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 6:00 PM
From: Australia
So, AnthonyC, Dready resorts to "ethnic insults and ignorant, generalization".
Are you being a hypocrite here?
What were your generalizations about Australians, the British and their descendents, conversationalists and the anti-gun lobby?
At least Dready was man enough to issue an apology.
Lets face it, we all make generalizations at times.
As for refugees, I don't think any county has the responsibility to take the riff-raff of another. I know for a lot of people, it's not their fault, but its not the fault of the recipient country either. If the country you're born is is fu(ked, then try to fix it. If you can't then tough. Tyrannical leaders do not come to power in a vacuum. The people allow them to get there. Good governance is not a right. It has to be fought for, and fought to be preserved.
Written by: santanar, 28 Jan 2012 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Ramon Santana
C'mon Dread,
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid…..Cuba is a prison and people are running away from that stupid system, we have many nationalities living amongst us, to included Cuban national like Valdez who pitched that great game for the Aguila last night. Apologies now or be sentences to 1000 whip lashing
Written by: antonio1, 28 Jan 2012 6:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Stay out Roy…Not your fight……No wonder people put a –mark on your ignorant wuckfads!
From: Dominican Republic
In this country there is two of everything....
Brugal and Barcelo
Presidente and Bohemia
Why should we expect that there would be more than 2 alternatives?
I did my research...average 4.8 years of education in this country. What do you expect the masses to vote on...issues that make a difference...or chickens thrown from a heavily guarded moving truck?
I agree (as a non voting resident) that the 2 main parties offer little in cementing a competitive and prosperous future...for those beyond the political circle that is.
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jan 2012 2:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Jan 2012 11:19 AM
From: Australia
He seems to have unanimous support on this site.
What's wrong with the rest of the country? Are they:
1) Uninformed?
2) Unpatriotic?
3) Apathetic?
4) Stupid?
5) all four of the above?
Fortunately the goon with multiple names on this site can't cast multiple votes in the election - or can he?
----
Roy sometime ago i tried to have you UNDERSTAND the way politics work here...if they are something is UNEDUCATED, therefore EASY to control!!! they live out of the mercy of who is on Power at the moment, that happens for Both Big Parties...
AND THAT right there is the Man i WILL vote for, i know he is not going anywhere but at least i sis not throw my vote away with PLD And PRD PIECES of SH$T
From: Denmark
Every vote given to this guy would be a great progress, #2 would be not to vote at all. The world would be watching.
VeronicaDR, Yucahu, guillermone, Isantiago77, generoso and airgordo go make it possible.
RS
#5 with whatever addition comes to mind.
Dread give it to him -lets hope he and his fellows scareface mentallity will never become a force of a future for the Cubans living in Cuba.
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jan 2012 10:43 AM
From: United States
Are people who say they are voting for Guillermo Moreno doing so because of his stance on the issues or because he is just campaigning as an "outsider"?
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 10:56 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: santanar, 28 Jan 2012 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Ramon Santana
C'mon Dread,
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid…..Cuba is a prison and people are running away from that stupid system, we have many nationalities living amongst us, to included Cuban national like Valdez who pitched that great game for the Aguila last night. Apologies now or be sentences to 1000 whip lashing"
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
If anyone thinks that Cuba's system is anything other than a Stalinist Caribbean version, just check out these BBC interviews with people LIVING IN Cuba!
Qué esperan los cubanos del congreso del Partido Comunista
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....artido_comunista_voxpop_pea.shtmlListen to these common Cuban voices. One says: We want the popular power to be for REAL!!! "Que sea El Poder Popular REAL!!!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 10:59 AM
From: United States, NYC
Another one complains about the truly disgusting anti-gay policies of the Stalinist Caribbean paradise. Of course, similar attitudes are found on a close by island to Cuba.
And that recent deal to get a new and improved internet running in Cuba has met with the same broad disregard for the interest of the majority of the Cuban people. Three sectors of the population are priviledged over the popular bases, the workers and common people of Cuba:
1, Doctors
2. University Students
3. Artist
What about the rest of the people?
Check out this interview from the BBC:
Los cubanos opinan sobre su Red Social
Jueves, 8 de diciembre de 2011
El Facebook cubano ya existe y se llama "Red Social", pero su funcionamiento y contenido está bajo control del gobierno y está restringido a estudiantes universitarios, médicos y artistas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....7_video_cuba_red_social_lav.shtmlCheck out their opinions for the REAL take on matters!
From: United States
Written by: lovingit, 28 Jan 2012 2:53 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Dread
Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?
i live here. is that sufficient?
From: United States
Written by: santanar, 28 Jan 2012 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Ramon Santana
C'mon Dread,
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid
who is dispatching them self upon Cubans? are you paying attention? i am dispatching myself, since you choose to use that term, upon the garbage in South Florida, in case you missed my point. the ones who got special treatment, that nobody else got, yet their fellow travellers and compatriots, like anthonyc, have the nerve to emanate racist dog whistles, appealing to the lowest common denominator of the Tea Party Element. in case your powers of perception are still asleep, it is no coincidence that he links Obama to moochers. it is his little way of saying that the negro President is taking care of his constituency, the lazy , welfare mother, negro. it is no coincidence that he always suggests that i get a job, even though i have worked every day of my life, since leaving graduate school.
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 11:21 AM
From: United States, NYC
"As for refugees, I don't think any county has the responsibility to take the riff-raff of another. I know for a lot of people, it's not their fault, but its not the fault of the recipient country either. If the country you're born is is fu(ked, then try to fix it. If you can't then tough." --Roy
Roy,
You need to read up on USA-Cuban history. Lots of surprising details await and you'll find out the WHYS that govern the relationship. They run deep with many ties. Pay close attention to pre-1898 history, the USA involvement , and the subsequent post 1989 role played by the USA, Very complicated and intertwined histories. The Platt Amendment of 1901, the earlier Teller Amendment, and the 1934 Treaty of Relations.
From: United States
he equates being black with being lazy, and worthless, and a burden to society. he seemsto forget who gets the bulk of handouts in America. Corporate America, that's who. if he could read, and understand, i would direct him to a recent article that shows that the bailout numbers are actually closer to 29 TRILLION dollars, than to the figures published. that does not go to some homeless black guy in Detroit. it goes to guys who live in mansions in Rancho Mirage. lastly,black people fought in the Revolutionary Wars,, the War of Independence, and all the modern wars. when they came back from war, they STILL could not sit at the front of the bus. as late as 1964, my mother was turned away froma movie theater in Miami, because she was black. yet, anthonyc's people, who did NOTHING to help build the country, could go in, and see the movie. then, he has the nerve to object to initiatives to help right past wrongs. when i saw his mob holding Elian Gonzales hostage, i knew why God made
From: United States
me a simple peon. had i been in charge of the situation,i would have located them, and called in a dozen special forces snipers, and given them 15 minutes to give the child up. at 16 minutes, all bets would have been off.
From: United States
says the eternal moron, atabey
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
at no point in the thread did i make mention of Cuba. i made mention of Cubans living in Miami, and the rest of South Florida. i know it is hard for you to understand the difference, but try, anyway.
From: United States
to ScandiViking and Yucahu, thanks for your support. much obliged.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Wao, anything else?
This one goes to the black guy.
it's funny how these 2 are ranting like rabid dogs, and off topic.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 11:43 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Roy here is the opinion of a REAL Cuban businessman not like Alpha 66 (fantasy owner of Alpha 66 Watches .com) or the pseudo-intellectual Atabey who is stuck somewhere between “the might have been of the 1960’s” and biometrics.
“Exiles need to get on the train of the changes in Cuba, proclaims a Cuban businessman”
“Havana, Cuba (EFE).-the businessman Carlos Saladrigas, prominent figure among the Cuban exiles in the United States, believes that diaspora must get on to the "trains" of change in Cuba, where he believes "important steps" taken although he wants them to be more, faster and deeper.”
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....roclama-un-empresario-cubano.htmlWritten by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: lsantiago77, 28 Jan 2012 4:02 PM
From: United States
the problem with DR is 90 percent of the population would rather take 200 pesos for their vote than fight for a better tomorrow.
at times i kind of wished trujillo ran this country still without the mass murdering of haitians of course. things were much better when he was president."
And therein lies the real danger and the opening for a Chavez-like Dominican candidate!
While it might look promising for some that a "Man on horseback" is the solution to our problems, history has demonstrated the opposite! Strong men govern for their interests and the small cadre of fellowtravellers willing to do anything to keep the Man in power. Like it or not, messy as it is, the current system will, given time and addressing the vast un/under-educated populace it rest on, offer a better future for Dominicans.
Consolidation of democratic processes takes time, and more so when the foundations are weak.
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 11:49 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks, 29 Jan 2012 11:32 AM
From: United States
says the eternal moron, atabey
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
at no point in the thread did i make mention of Cuba. i made mention of Cubans living in Miami, and the rest of South Florida. i know it is hard for you to understand the difference, but try, anyway."
Dready,
You too should dust off some books on USA and Cuban history. Who knows, you might learn something!
From: United States
i would reply ,Atabey, but i am a grownup, and it is too pointless to play with children
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 11:55 AM
From: United States, NYC
Earth to Josean
These Cuban LIVE on the island, JOSEAN!
They have, let's say a real sense of what's happening as opposed to an outsiders' opinion.
If anyone thinks that Cuba's system is anything other than a Stalinist Caribbean version, just check out these BBC interviews with people LIVING IN Cuba!
Qué esperan los cubanos del congreso del Partido Comunista
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....artido_comunista_voxpop_pea.shtmlListen to these common Cuban voices. One says: We want that the popular power to be for REAL!!! "Que sea El Poder Popular REAL!!!
I would think a person who sooooooo much defends the interests of the real people, the proletariat, the workers, the poor, like......why Josean! Might see these interviews for the REALITY OF THE SITUATION IN CUBA.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Now back on Topic:
"Written by: williom, 28 Jan 2012 4:41 AM
From: United States
Josean's man looks very happy ;) Now what?"
Willom,
It took the PRD 24 years to attain power and it took the PLD 23 so don’t lose faith. The odds of Guillermo or his party being democratically elected are much better. It looked bleaker for both the PRD and the PLD in their infancy and they did not lose hope or quit.
Like Lincoln said. “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”
The Dominican people are beginning to wake up!
“Change is in your hands”
Guillermo Moreno
http://www.alianzapais.com.do/Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:07 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Now Aatbey, like his God Lie-onel who thinks he is an expert on everything, picks the flavor of the month CUBA!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 12:15 PM
From: United States, NYC
You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean.
And do your reading on Democracy:
http://www.nature.com/news/democr....all-it-is-cracked-up-to-be-1.9925A very apropos article on the subject. But be careful, Josean, you might actually need to READ or have someone explain it to you. :)
To wit:
"In fact, a key premise of current models of voting and opinion formation, is that most social consensus arises from mutual influence and the spreading of opinion, rather than from isolated decisions. On the one hand, you could say that this is just how democratic societies work. On the other, it makes voting a nonlinear process in which small effects (media bias or party budgets, say) can have disproportionately big consequences. At the very least, it makes voting a more complex and less transparent process than is normally assumed.
This isn’t to invalidate Winston Churchill’s dictum that democracy is the least bad political system. But let us not fool ourselves about wha
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 12:17 PM
From: United States, NYC
This isn’t to invalidate Winston Churchill’s dictum that democracy is the least bad political system. But let us not fool ourselves about what it entails."
Of course, you might just enjoy fooling yourself so you can waste more time.
Read and try to learn something.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:21 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:55 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
And now for a brief nostalgic interlude;
Let’s take a little walk through memory lanes of the 1960’s with the hero of Atabey’s hero:
"Balaguer was a snitch for the FBI and worked for the invasion of 1965, according to book”
"SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-The seven times Dominican President Joaquin Balaguer was spy at the service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States (FBI) and worked to produce the invasion and occupation of the Dominican Republic by American troops."
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....invasion-de-1965-segun-libro.htmlFrom: United States
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:21 PM
From: United States
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
Josean, might you be addressing the guy who has a degree, but cannot remember in what discipline it is?
From: United States
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:21 PM
From: United States
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
how about plain vanilla congenital stupidity?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 1:09 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Dread,
He is typical of the pompous ass attitude of the Purple Ones and his God Lie-onel, who during the 2008 presidential campaign said that he wouldn’t debate because “he was the only one in the country that could conceptualize!”
However, Dread you are doing a very noble and humanitarian gesture by placating him with attention, if not who knows what self-destructive action he could commit against himself.
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 1:43 PM
From: United States, NYC
Who was it that said: back on topic?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
From: United States
Now back on Topic:"
Why it was "no go to the Forum" Josean!!!
Stay on topic and be consistent beyond your "caving in" to Y's challenge.
Written by: riosm, 29 Jan 2012 2:10 PM
From: United States
Maybe some one can lighten me up on this guy.
Most politicians start out good [more like good smooth talkers/conmen with bright ideas and empty promises] for once I would like to know about this candidates past accomplishments not his feel good crystal ball promises.
No one talks about track record any more, why ?
Here's going off the beaten path.....
LOL our prez "Oh'No" plans a ONE BILLION dollar $ re-election Champaign only because he has no track record in the last 31/4 years to run on.
Question: I wonder will DA Prez. "Oh'No" will use HOPE & CHANGE as his re-election motto.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 2:42 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 1:43 PM
From: United States
Who was it that said: back on topic?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
From: United States
Now back on Topic:"
Why it was "no go to the Forum" Josean!!!
Stay on topic and be consistent beyond your "caving in" to Y's challenge."
Mr. Socrates if you love the Forum so much, why don’t you stay there to see if you find your Plato.
Let us MERE MORTALS discuss commonsense everyday problems that have true relevance to the majority of Dominicans!
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jan 2012 2:50 PM
From: United States
Written by: josean,
"“Havana, Cuba (EFE).-the businessman Carlos Saladrigas, prominent figure among the Cuban exiles in the United States,"
Prominent? Nobody i know has ever heard of him.
And why did we let the jealous moochers change the subject of this thread to a "Lets bash Cubans" topic?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 2:53 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
I need a watch Alpha 66!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 2:57 PM
From: United States, NYC
josean needs to take a trip to Cuba and live a few years in the "Socialist Paradise". LOL
He'll be signing a new tune after his return. :)
http://youtu.be/U5xdRgA-MCoEsto es necesario
Hermano
ese dinero que tanto necesitas para beber
con una de esas muchachitas por que no lo
sudas con tus propias manos, por que es mas
fácil quitárselo a una viejita bajando Galiano,
eso no es humano no te da tristeza arrastrarla
y dejarla llorando en el piso sola y sin fuerzas,
luego recogen te montan en la patrulla por la
pensión de una señora que puede ser la abuela tuya.
Hermano
por que lego a su cafetería, me trata como un payaso
y me niega un vaso de agua fría sin embargo se acerca
un extranjero sonrie limpia el mostrador y dice socio
el va primero le voy a ser sincero porque en realidad
vivo en la misma ciudad conozca la necesidad pero no
se olvide nunca que no quiso calmar la sed de un cubano
que esta luchando igual que usted.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 2:57 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Prominent? Nobody i know has ever heard of him."
Alpha 66 that just means you DON'T NOW EVERYBODY, in addition to NOT KNOW ANYTHING!
From: United States
And why did we let the jealous moochers change the subject of this thread to a "Lets bash Cubans" topic?
who is "we'?the topic changed when some imbecile introduced Obama into a thread dealing with Guillermo Moreno
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 3:00 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 2:57 PM
From: United States
josean needs to take a trip to Cuba and live a few years in the "Socialist Paradise". LOL
He'll be signing a new tune after his return. :)"
And you need to get your head out of URANUS and live in the real world not METROLANDIA!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:04 PM
From: United States, NYC
Hermano
Por que quieres golpearme y frente a mí novia sin motivos
humillarme por que tus quieres poner en mi cara
cuando realmente yo no te hecho nada mala jugada a los
hombres se respetan no sabes lo cara que puede salir una
galleta porque el complejo entonces se mezcla con ron y el
próximo baon lo das en Cristóbal Colón, presta atención
hermano es triste decirlo el asiento de la embarazada ya no
se da ahí que pedirlo ,los hombres no se paran a cederlo pa
cogerlos,.... y escupirlos,
Hermano
Por que entro a la tienda y me mira con cara de que que
nada se pierda yo no voy a robar nada desvíe su mirada
que me enfada de la forma en que me observa preguisios
de hacia todo lo distinto no soy un ladrón de chocolates
envuelto en nailos lindos, tengo algo de dinero y comprarle
quiero a mi chama unos plumones por pasar por gusto.
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:06 PM
From: United States, NYC
(Estribillo)
Desde un principio es mejor de principios valernos y saber que
es mas cuestión de corazón que de gobierno el porvenir se nubla
como el cielo mas grisoso hagamos algo a tiempo o vendrán tiempos
peligrosos
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,por las calles de mi Habana
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana, por las calles de mi Habana
(Estribillo)
Hermana
por que tu novio te da golpes y su tu hijo se mete le respondes
Salte este es mi hombre¨ no sabes cuanta roña el niño esconde
Porque el quiere defenderte ser tu Héroe y tu sus sueños rompes,
al final ese fulano te abandona de la casa se aleja y deja tu
esperanza en coma, y que te queda aquel muchacho que pariste
que le negaste el amor de madre y valor no le distes.
Hermana
Por que quieres controlar los gustos de tu hija y por ella opinar
si ella esta enamora de un joven sincero y con ese extranjero
por dinero no se quiere casar en busca de un
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:07 PM
From: United States, NYC
Hermana
Por que quieres controlar los gustos de tu hija y por ella opinar
si ella esta enamora de un joven sincero y con ese extranjero
por dinero no se quiere casar en busca de una situación social
a veces olvidamos que somos seres humanos y el alma
deterioramos ,no la obligue que ella quiere ser feliz y usted solamente
quiere vivir bien y salir del país,
Hermana
Por que la esquina te llama y eres dama que va de cama en cama ,
en la barriga un chama en la mente 20 padres que ninguno
cogeria una guagua pa donarte sangre, es lógico que no te
dure una relación y que de ningún poema tu seas la inspiración
quieres saber porque te explico tu situación ,porque tu abres las
piernas y cierras el corazón
(Estribillo)
La presidente del CDR informa a los de arriba cuanto esta
mejorando tu forma de vida pero a ella nunca le a importado
si a tu hijo le a faltado un plato de comida a veces tu te sientas
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:08 PM
From: United States, NYC
(Estribillo)
La presidente del CDR informa a los de arriba cuanto esta
mejorando tu forma de vida pero a ella nunca le a importado
si a tu hijo le a faltado un plato de comida a veces tu te sientas
y te preguntas por que fulano habla mal de mi si yo lo tenia como un hermano brother ahi mucha gente aquí en la Habana infestados
con el virus de la miseria humana, yo quisiera cantar esta
canción en la plaza de la Revolución ,no porque sea una canción gusana,si no porque la va a escuchar gran parte de la Habana
,mañana despertaremos en medio de esta crónica de que no hay
un cubano que no sea hipócrita, todo será tan asqueroso como
unas viseras y nadie se dará la mano sin antes escupírsela.
Algo sigue andando mal y mal siguen mirando a alguien.
Miseria Humana"
Listen and learn, Josean!
Miseria Humana!
Written by: RoyStone, 29 Jan 2012 3:09 PM
From: Australia
Keh?
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:14 PM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
just google translate it.
But "miseria humana" shouldn't be that difficult to translate!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 3:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 4:06 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
6 irrelevante posts after mine:
¿Y quien fue el que se PICO Moradito?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 4:18 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Before I forget and Atabey continues to distort reality with biometrics or some other nonsense;
I would like to say THANK YOU to DT for posting an article on my candidate Guillermo Moreno.
Maybe someday he will be given an opportunity to submit and opinion piece.
Thanks again DT!
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 5:14 PM
From: United States, NYC
Here's an article by Vargas Llosa that might help illuminate you from the infantile, less than mature, nature of your understanding on the subject of democracy in the Latin American context.
TRIBUNA: MARIO VARGAS LLOSA
Las ideas y el caos
El último libro de Enrique Krauze explica la actualidad y las perspectivas de América Latina. Ya no es el continente de las oportunidades perdidas, sino que ha entrado en un rumbo de progreso"
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/op....lpepiopi/20120129elpepiopi_12/Tes"El optimismo que transpira el libro no peca de ingenuo, está fundado en datos, indicios y razonamientos persuasivos. Debo confesar que, en mi caso, ha servido para derribar desconfianzas y escepticismos que alentaba hacia algunos países, sumidos en problemas que me parecían obstáculos insalvables para que en ellos echaran raíces en un futuro próximo instituciones y costumbres democráticas sobre bases estables."
Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 5:15 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Desde luego, Krauze es muy consciente de la enorme diversidad existente entre la veintena de países de América Latina y de la imposibilidad de que todos ellos progresen al mismo ritmo y de la misma manera. Es también muy lúcido sobre los desafíos mayores para la democratización que representan el narcotráfico y su inmenso poderío económico y el crecimiento desaforado de la delincuencia y la corrupción que en gran parte es su consecuencia. Lo que señala es una tendencia general a la que, unos más rápido y otros con retardo, todos se van sumando, algunos con entusiasmo y lucidez y los demás a regañadientes y hasta sin darse cuenta cabal del proceso modernizador en el que están inmersos."
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Written by: antonio1, 29 Jan 2012 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Dread wrote
"who is dispatching them self upon Cubans? are you paying attention? i am dispatching myself, since you choose to use that term, upon the garbage in South Florida",
we know what CUBAN are running await from......what are you running await from,......Kingston?
Written by: antonio1, 29 Jan 2012 9:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Atabey Wrote
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Esa bestia no sabe leer.......lo parieron por el #2.....
From: United States
How many votes can this guy realistically get?
From: United States
mistake duplication
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 11:40 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta."
I don't know why such a well-read, learned pseudo-intellectual with an advanced education feels so OBSESSED with and THREATENED by the opinions of an untutored ignorant peasant like me!
It just doesn’t seem rational or logical!
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 11:41 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Written by: antonio1, 29 Jan 2012 9:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Atabey Wrote
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Esa bestia no sabe leer.......lo parieron por el #2....."
¡Por lo menos en mi caso me criaron, en el tuyo botaron al muchacho y criaron la PLACENTA!
¡IMBÉCIl!
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 12:10 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
The Public is already rejecting the PLD:
What happens if you” organize” a caravan at taxpayers’ expense and nobody comes?
“Margaret returned Santiago with enthusiasm, but did not obtain much support”
“The caravan appeared uncoordinated."
"On three occasions Fernández Cedeño retreated to the interior of her vehicle, a very luxurious SUV with a sunroof, but when she popped out again, the locations were practically empty and no one was chanting for her”
This appears like a "PURPLE ASS WHIPPING" in the making!
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....mo-pero-no-obtuvo-gran-apoyo.htmlWritten by: lovingit, 30 Jan 2012 2:09 AM
From: United States, Delaware
WOW!
I got lots of minuses on my comment when I compared the current political scene of the DR and US and how similar they seem today.
I think this is what caused it:
"Republicans? what a joke set of candidates they have (I call them the Hippo like candidates) Couldn't they find a better set of people to represent them?"
Well, the truth is, THAT IS THE TRUTH.
DOMINICANS please WAKE UP and stop thinking about parties and colors. We need to vote for whom seems more adept to lead the country. Unfortunately, we only have the lesser of two evils between Danilo and Hippo. The lesser is Danilo (I wish he could surprise me) and that is only because Danilo would be surrounded by MORONS. Hippo, would also be surrounded by MORONS, but he is a MORON as well.
Look, I grew in PRD, but the truth today is that the leaders that we have chosen to represent in the PRD are a JOKE! VARGAS, no GOOD, so the PRD are not getting my vote till a real leader comes to the table.
minus me now
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jan 2012 8:54 AM
From: Australia
lovingit,
in many countries it is about parties an not about the candidates. That is because policies are decided in the party-room. If you want to be nominated by a party in your electorate then you must support the policies decided on by the party, and vote along party-lines when Bills are debated in parliament, unless the Bill is apolitical and the member can cast a "conscience" vote. Alternately you can stand for parliament as an independent. If there are two main parties with almost equal representation then independents have enormous power. Independents are generally voted in on their personal popularity and not policies.
In the Dominican Republic, policies seem to be irreverent. It seems to me to be a case of "he's got an honest face - maybe he won't steel as much as the other guy"
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 9:06 AM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
Check out the term "Caudillismo" for an introduction into Latin political traditions. Also, a bit of Roman history will help. But that article review by Vargas Llosa is a good modern take on the issue and its evolution in the Latin context.
Written by: lovingit, 30 Jan 2012 10:25 AM
From: United States, Delaware
@Roy
I tell you one thing. When it comes to the US today, based on the political warfare that currently exists, an independent will have no power because it will literally be both top parties against the independent, unless of course, they form some sort of alliance at a later time. These politicians don't care about passing something that makes sense if it means having to agree with an opposing party.
From: United States
says the primitive, antonio1
we know what CUBAN are running await from......what are you running await from,......Kingston
yes, antonio. just like you are running from the law, the child support authorities, Drug Control, and all the guys from the cockfight arena that you owe money to.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 10:50 AM
From: United States, NYC
Top of the morning Dready!
What say you of Raul's statement that Cuba will remain a One Party State?
And yet he complains about corruption and the "errors of the past" thwarting the future of the nation unless they are corrected.
Why don't you send him a copy of Federalist paper #51 by Madison?
From: United States
is this your subtle way of informing the readership that you have heard of both Raul Castro, and James Madison?
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jan 2012 10:56 AM
From: Australia
The problem as I see it, with the American and Dominican systems is, the head of state is also the head of government and has enormous personal power. In British-based systems, the head of state only has reserve powers and is above politics. The head of government, the prime minister, is voted in by the cabinet of ministers, who are members of parliament. Its not perfect but it seems to deliver stable government with the support of, an compliance by, the majority of the people.
Most Australians (including this one) believe it is crazy that in this day and age, our ultimate head of state is Queen Elizabeth II, however as it aint broke, why fix it?
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:15 AM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
Let's give Dready some time to dust off his copy of the Federalist Papers and work himself up to speed on the separation of powers and Madison's solution to both majority and minority rule domination.
The problems with Dominican style democracy are its a) developmental infancy relative to other nations, b) poor institutional independence, c) crude and uneducated populace foundation.
As the nation matures and finally addresses its dismal educational foundations, providing its citizens with a solid K-12 education as a generalized norm throughout society, better personnel development will rise to the top and support institutional strength and coherence.
Eliminating the traditional norms of cuadillismo will be hard, but a necessary process if DR is ever to escape its democratic infancy stage.
Society needs to continue to develop cultural spaces that peacefully demonstrate and organize modernizing trends; thus facilitating greater appreciation & tolerance of best practi
From: United States
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:15 AM
From: United States
Roy,
Let's give Dready some time to dust off his copy of the Federalist Papers and work himself up to speed on the separation of powers and Madison's solution to both majority and minority rule domination.
when i was studying Political Science at the Institutue of Social and Economic Research, you were in Laguna Salada , digging up yuca. ever heard of Sir Alistair McIntyre? go google him. he presided over the tutorials i attended.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:22 AM
From: United States, NYC
Good to see you in good spirits today Dready.
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 11:25 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
The Flavor of the Month is: the "Federalist Papers!"
Well at least it is not Biometrics!
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:26 AM
From: United States, NYC
"when i was studying Political Science at the Institutue of Social and Economic Research, you were in Laguna Salada , digging up yuca. ever heard of Sir Alistair McIntyre?"
Does Manhattan have a place called "Laguna Salada"? And I seriously doubt yucca cultivation in these climes-unless done under controlled environmental conditions.
Dready,
NYC > Kingston anytime of the year, day or hour!
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:31 AM
From: United States, NYC
From: United States
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 11:25 AM
From: United States
The Flavor of the Month is: the "Federalist Papers!"
Well at least it is not Biometrics!
he will ride that horse, until it dies. i see that he went from biometrics, to Costa Rica, to the Federalist Papers. poor soul.
From: United States
Does Manhattan have a place called "Laguna Salada"? And I seriously doubt yucca cultivation in these climes-unless done under controlled environmental conditions.
no way you were in the USA in the early 1970s, or you would have at least heard of Abe Beame. when i mentioned his name in a prior article,you went silent. then again, maybe you never got out of your basement often enough to know who ran the city in that era.
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 11:38 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"As the nation matures and finally addresses its dismal educational foundations, providing its citizens with a solid K-12 education as a generalized norm throughout society, better personnel development will rise to the top and support institutional strength and coherence."
Well at least we have made some progress!
Finally, Atabey realizes that the MUMBO JUMBO of FUNGLODE and Lie-onel Fernandez about METROS, overpasses, tunnels, globalization, exports and modernity was nothing but rhetorical nonsense and the equivalent of putting the proverbial carts before the horse.
There is no documented evidence of any society in all of recorded human history advancing without a dedicated sustained effort to educate the largest number of its populace as possible.
Education is the develpoment engine of humanity, PERIOD!
Thank you Dread and others for helping me to BEAT this is into Atabeys Purple “brain!”
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States, NYC
I once dated a fine young woman whose grandfather worked for Beams Administration! You have some more surprises coming your way....
BTW, just because I don't reply to your every post doesn't mean I don't know what's on the down :)
Just like that sports testing in cardio fitness done in Jamaica and a certain relative of yours in football. :)
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:53 AM
From: United States, NYC
Earth to josean, please read your assignments or are you like all those pupils from DR that Dready rightfully criticizes for not doing their HW?
BTW, I've ALWAYS BEEN A STRONG EDUCATION ADVOCATE.
You are truly delusional if you believe me to have found out from you the enormous benefits to developing the hidden talents of the Dominican population.
TRY ANOTHER TACTIC :)
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 12:00 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"BTW, I've ALWAYS BEEN A STRONG EDUCATION ADVOCATE."
A little revisionist history; but you have seen the light that’s what matters!
Who says you can't lead a horse to water and make him drink or you can’t teach and old Purple Dog new tricks!
From: United States
Just like that sports testing in cardio fitness done in Jamaica and a certain relative of yours in football.
actually, the testing was done by one of the largest sports and fitness companies in the world, and is based in the USA. that company that is going to prepare all the athletes of a major country for the upcoming London Olympics. that certain relative of mine is coordinating the venture. so, trying to belittle my relatives is a lost cause. who in your family has ever excelled at anything, besides you, in degeneracy?
From: United States
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States
I once dated a fine young woman whose grandfather worked for Beams
the guy's name was Beame. maybe your girlfriend should have at least taught you to spell the name.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 12:12 PM
From: United States, NYC
Abe Beame
From: United States
ain't Google great?
Written by: josean, 30 Jan 2012 12:20 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Dread I am sure Atabey, the revisionist, thinks old Abe was a giant of man!
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 12:22 PM
From: United States, NYC
I guess you should know.
And while it's been soooooooooooooo long in your particular case, we youngsters were into more interesting matters........... But alas, your prospective largely gone, why even bother?
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 12:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Desde luego, Krauze es muy consciente de la enorme diversidad existente entre la veintena de países de América Latina y de la imposibilidad de que todos ellos progresen al mismo ritmo y de la misma manera. Es también muy lúcido sobre los desafíos mayores para la democratización que representan el narcotráfico y su inmenso poderío económico y el crecimiento desaforado de la delincuencia y la corrupción que en gran parte es su consecuencia. Lo que señala es una tendencia general a la que, unos más rápido y otros con retardo, todos se van sumando, algunos con entusiasmo y lucidez y los demás a regañadientes y hasta sin darse cuenta cabal del proceso modernizador en el que están inmersos."
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 12:26 PM
From: United States, NYC
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
this guy guillermo is he even a candidated ? is just hipolito and the other purple nipple , some choise we have .
Written by: anthonyC, 30 Jan 2012 1:11 PM
From: United States
Back on Subject!
What are the issues for this guy? What are his positions?
Is he just saying the right things just to get votes and power?
Why should anyone support him besides the fact that he isn't PRD or PLD?
From: United States
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 12:22 PM
From: United States
I guess you should know.
And while it's been soooooooooooooo long in your particular case, we youngsters were into more interesting matters..
anything past yesterday is long ago for you, since you have the brains of a flea. then, you have the nerve to tell us you have a Masters in History,of all things.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 1:40 PM
From: United States, NYC
Stay on topic Dready. And how's that tall glass of tea tastin'?
BTW, that was some foolish stuff you said about Cubans yesterday! I wasn't aware that you hated them as a collective expression.
Remember, we are ALL just humans. Respect others so they respect you. And I'm your junior by how many decades? Wow!!!!
From: United States
BTW, that was some foolish stuff you said about Cubans yesterday! I wasn't aware that you hated them as a collective expression.
first of all, you are the fool, as far as i can see. my references were not made towards Cubans, as a people. i was referring to the Miami group. i am aware that intellectual honesty, or honesty of any kind, is not your stock in trade, so i will give you a pass.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Jan 2012 5:05 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
You've really put your foot in your mouth this time. How can you be so casual in Group STEREOTYPING hundreds of thousands of people AS "the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages."
ALL GROUPS HAVE SOME BAD APPLES. BUT TO CLAIM SO FOR ALL IS AN INJUSTICE TO DECENCY.
You have really fallen off the table with that BIGOTED TAKE.
Written by: RonEvane, 31 Jan 2012 2:31 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
--lovingit asks:.. "Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?"
--Dread's reply:.. "i live here. is that sufficient?"
My question:... Where is "here". ??
Written by: RoyStone, 31 Jan 2012 4:35 AM
From: Australia
I did a mini survey on the weekend asking folk who they will vote for in the election and was appalled at the number who said they will not bother voting at all. I said "good, that means you will stop complaining about the government?".
Written by: josean, 31 Jan 2012 11:02 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Moreno begins this Wednesday the "March for Dignity"
"SANTO DOMINGO ( Dominican Republic).-The presidential candidate of Alliance Party, Guillermo Moreno, will begin on Wednesday the "March for Dignity" which will take him over 2,252 kilometers in 26 days".
“It will depart at seven in the morning to San Cristóbal, where Mr. Moreno and his followers’ will reach out to people who want to be part of the change being proposed.”
Roy in your neck of the woods so you can come out and meet him if you wish and determine if he is the real deal or not!
http://www.7dias.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=114951Written by: josean, 31 Jan 2012 11:26 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: riosm, 31 Jan 2012 11:50 PM
From: United States
Maybe he's a relative of O'bla bla with no goals ? When things are bad anything sounds good, that is once elected things go south to a new low.
Written by: josean, 3 Feb 2012 2:18 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"When things are bad anything sounds good",
So you admit things were bad under "Bush-whacked the American people?"
"Maybe he's a relative of O'bla bla with no goals ?"
Ask Osama bin Laden if Obama had no goals next time you see him in the afterlife!
Written by: RoyStone, 3 Feb 2012 8:37 AM
From: Australia
The problem with Dominican politics is voters are driven by three things - self, self and self.
They don't give a fu(k about their country or fellow Dominicans. National pride begins and ends when a Dominican-born American baseball-player hits a home run.
From: United States
My question:... Where is "here". ??
the DR Ron, the DR. at least, for now.
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 5:00 PM
From: United States, NYC
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“He leído complacido las informaciones que han circulado al respecto, y solo tengo que decir que Nuria tiene la última palabra. Para mí sería un verdadero honor que ella aceptara ser la candidata vicepresidencial de AlPaís ”
Nuria Piera es propuesta para la vicepresidencia por seguidores de Moreno
Aseguró que su mayor interés es conformar un gabinete de hombres y mujeres serios, con autoridad moral, compromiso social y con verdaderas convicciones democráticas, condiciones que Nuria Piera posee"
If your man is smart Josean, he would go this route. Nuria would bring in a lot of frustrated Dominicans.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 5:05 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
There has never been any question about Dr. Moreno’s intellect, but more importantly his integrity is oustanding!
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Feb 2012 5:08 PM
From: Australia
He has integrity? Then he doesn't stand a chance in this country.
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If only he had a chance.
He has stars in his eyes, an idealist. If by any remote chance this candidate ever attains the high office he would have to form an alliance with one fo the majority parties to endorse any of his party's platform. The Country Alliance Party would have the chance of a snowball in the DR to pass of its legislation as the majority controls the process. Therefore, back to the same ol, same ol
.
DR needs a drastic change from the normal . I am worried that PLD will rule again. If that is the case WE ARE DOOMED and I believe that events will take place and Margarita Insipida will be President
And we all know how that turned out!
Even if they sell-out to the highest bidder, we're no worse off. If you won't vote for change, then accept the status quo and stop complaining.
I think the heroic founding fathers would turn in their graves it they knew what has become of the democracy they fought so hard and sacrificed so much for.
From: United States
I remember a recent Presidential Campaign in which the Candidate promised "Hope & Change"
And we all know how that turned out!
i do not. tell me, please
Even if they sell-out to the highest bidder, we're no worse off. If you won't vote for change, then accept the status quo and stop complaining.
I think the heroic founding fathers would turn in their graves it they knew what has become of the democracy they fought so hard and sacrificed so much for.
What's wrong with the rest of the country? Are they:
1) Uninformed?
2) Unpatriotic?
3) Apathetic?
4) Stupid?
5) all four of the above?
Fortunately the goon with multiple names on this site can't cast multiple votes in the election - or can he?
"My vote is more important than anyone ease's so I won't waste it on someone until enough other voters, (less important than me) give him a chance of winning, then I might jump on the band-wagon too."
Yeah?
"My vote is more important than anyone ease's so I won't waste it on someone until enough other voters, (less important than me) give him a chance of winning, then I might jump on the band-wagon too."
Yeah?
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Written by: juanb, 28 Jan 2012 5:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
If only he had a chance.'
100% true.
But remember: there is No perfect system
"It is good to see science expose these corruptions of democracy. Yet science also hints that, in general, democracy isn’t quite what it is popularly sold as."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....y-isnt-all-it-is-cracked-up-to-be
"Just look at how stupid some of the DT readers are and you can see how it is working."
Absolutely, they can't answer your criticism with a rational rebuttal, so they use aliases to grey you out. Pathetic cowards!
"i do not. tell me, please"
Why bother? You are one of the lazy, immoral, moochers have benefited from Obama's class warfare, more hand-outs and crony socialism.
oh wait, it's only the first round. Lol.
Most voters only vote for the candidates that they believe have a good chance to win the elections, so the other candidates have a tough time gathering enough votes, because of financial and exposure challenges.
When the PLD (governing party) first participated in the DR elections it only got a few thousand votes, and gradually it began to grow exponentially until their first victory in 1996 with the strong support in the run off, and with the full backing of Balaguer's PRSC party, the rest is history. The difference is that the PLD had some very hard core members and their party structure was designed in a more segregated way, with a loyal and persistent following.
Guillermo Moreno could be a future power option if he is able to continue gathering support and financial backing, as well as adepts from other parties that will join his cause, mainly Eduardo Estrella and Hatuey Descamps.
you mean like how your people, the Miami Cubans, got every handout , known to man, yet you come on this site and berate everyone else, calling people moochers? besides,i did not get one benefit from Obama. don't even collect Social Security. nobody gave my people anything. every Jamaican in the USA had to make it on his own, be it legally, or illegally. no open door policy. no wet foot-dry foot policy for my people. your people are the only ones who got HANDOUTS. yes, show me HANDOUTS for Jamaicans. show me data that suggests that Jamaicans are among the list of high level welfare recipients. failing that, go back to helping your buddies at Alpha66 build explosives to kill innocent civilians.
If Danilo screws up, or is to independent minded he will be bumped off, he knows he will just be in place to help Mamma come into power. So guys forget about it. PLD4LIFE....
There is gonna be a terremoto too, GAWD how effen awful it looks.
Dread baby, you are spot on. truth to power baby as usual. Your balanced and a str8shooter, so don't let that man's h8tn pollute, you gold dawg, you gold....
The Democrats are running with Obama of course, for a second term, he has had mainly good intentions, but the fighting in congress has blocked most. I don't see that changing much on his second term.
Republicans? what a joke set of candidates they have (I call them the Hippo like candidates) Couldn't they find a better set of people to represent them?
Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?
I know a couple of Dominican-Jamaicans that live in DR... one of them is actually a casino manager in a Hotel in Punta Cana.
"Just look at how stupid some of the DT readers are and you can see how it is working."
Absolutely, they can't answer your criticism with a rational rebuttal, so they use aliases to grey you out. Pathetic cowards!
A vote for Guillermo Moreno is the vote of protest against traditional parties.
Your vote, even if he does not win, will never go to waste, it will eventually be one vote closer to the win..................!
Lets give this man a chance and the PLD, PRD and PRSC a run for their money.
at times i kind of wished trujillo ran this country still without the mass murdering of haitians of course. things were much better when he was president.
He has to resort to ethnic insults and ignorant, generalization even though he knows exactly ZERO about me, my history or my background.
Here is a little info for my jealous, mooching pal. I never took a dime of government assistance. NEVER! As for your sad little argument about Cuban Refugees......"F*CK EM" I am against any special aid for them.
I do approve of granting them special immigrant status just like I believe that people for other countries that are victims of murderous, government repression such as North Korea, Sudan, Burma, Zimbabwe and others......But that is it. Welcome to the USA...Now get a job!
Which is advice I give to you as well.......GET A JOB!!!!
Are you being a hypocrite here?
What were your generalizations about Australians, the British and their descendents, conversationalists and the anti-gun lobby?
At least Dready was man enough to issue an apology.
Lets face it, we all make generalizations at times.
As for refugees, I don't think any county has the responsibility to take the riff-raff of another. I know for a lot of people, it's not their fault, but its not the fault of the recipient country either. If the country you're born is is fu(ked, then try to fix it. If you can't then tough. Tyrannical leaders do not come to power in a vacuum. The people allow them to get there. Good governance is not a right. It has to be fought for, and fought to be preserved.
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid…..Cuba is a prison and people are running away from that stupid system, we have many nationalities living amongst us, to included Cuban national like Valdez who pitched that great game for the Aguila last night. Apologies now or be sentences to 1000 whip lashing
Brugal and Barcelo
Presidente and Bohemia
Why should we expect that there would be more than 2 alternatives?
I did my research...average 4.8 years of education in this country. What do you expect the masses to vote on...issues that make a difference...or chickens thrown from a heavily guarded moving truck?
I agree (as a non voting resident) that the 2 main parties offer little in cementing a competitive and prosperous future...for those beyond the political circle that is.
From: Australia
He seems to have unanimous support on this site.
What's wrong with the rest of the country? Are they:
1) Uninformed?
2) Unpatriotic?
3) Apathetic?
4) Stupid?
5) all four of the above?
Fortunately the goon with multiple names on this site can't cast multiple votes in the election - or can he?
----
Roy sometime ago i tried to have you UNDERSTAND the way politics work here...if they are something is UNEDUCATED, therefore EASY to control!!! they live out of the mercy of who is on Power at the moment, that happens for Both Big Parties...
AND THAT right there is the Man i WILL vote for, i know he is not going anywhere but at least i sis not throw my vote away with PLD And PRD PIECES of SH$T
VeronicaDR, Yucahu, guillermone, Isantiago77, generoso and airgordo go make it possible.
RS
#5 with whatever addition comes to mind.
Dread give it to him -lets hope he and his fellows scareface mentallity will never become a force of a future for the Cubans living in Cuba.
From: Dominican Republic, Ramon Santana
C'mon Dread,
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid…..Cuba is a prison and people are running away from that stupid system, we have many nationalities living amongst us, to included Cuban national like Valdez who pitched that great game for the Aguila last night. Apologies now or be sentences to 1000 whip lashing"
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
If anyone thinks that Cuba's system is anything other than a Stalinist Caribbean version, just check out these BBC interviews with people LIVING IN Cuba!
Qué esperan los cubanos del congreso del Partido Comunista
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....artido_comunista_voxpop_pea.shtml
Listen to these common Cuban voices. One says: We want the popular power to be for REAL!!! "Que sea El Poder Popular REAL!!!
And that recent deal to get a new and improved internet running in Cuba has met with the same broad disregard for the interest of the majority of the Cuban people. Three sectors of the population are priviledged over the popular bases, the workers and common people of Cuba:
1, Doctors
2. University Students
3. Artist
What about the rest of the people?
Check out this interview from the BBC:
Los cubanos opinan sobre su Red Social
Jueves, 8 de diciembre de 2011
El Facebook cubano ya existe y se llama "Red Social", pero su funcionamiento y contenido está bajo control del gobierno y está restringido a estudiantes universitarios, médicos y artistas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....7_video_cuba_red_social_lav.shtml
Check out their opinions for the REAL take on matters!
From: United States, Delaware
@Dread
Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?
i live here. is that sufficient?
From: Dominican Republic, Ramon Santana
C'mon Dread,
Dispatching yourself on Cubans is uncalled-for and really stupid
who is dispatching them self upon Cubans? are you paying attention? i am dispatching myself, since you choose to use that term, upon the garbage in South Florida, in case you missed my point. the ones who got special treatment, that nobody else got, yet their fellow travellers and compatriots, like anthonyc, have the nerve to emanate racist dog whistles, appealing to the lowest common denominator of the Tea Party Element. in case your powers of perception are still asleep, it is no coincidence that he links Obama to moochers. it is his little way of saying that the negro President is taking care of his constituency, the lazy , welfare mother, negro. it is no coincidence that he always suggests that i get a job, even though i have worked every day of my life, since leaving graduate school.
Roy,
You need to read up on USA-Cuban history. Lots of surprising details await and you'll find out the WHYS that govern the relationship. They run deep with many ties. Pay close attention to pre-1898 history, the USA involvement , and the subsequent post 1989 role played by the USA, Very complicated and intertwined histories. The Platt Amendment of 1901, the earlier Teller Amendment, and the 1934 Treaty of Relations.
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
at no point in the thread did i make mention of Cuba. i made mention of Cubans living in Miami, and the rest of South Florida. i know it is hard for you to understand the difference, but try, anyway.
This one goes to the black guy.
it's funny how these 2 are ranting like rabid dogs, and off topic.
Roy here is the opinion of a REAL Cuban businessman not like Alpha 66 (fantasy owner of Alpha 66 Watches .com) or the pseudo-intellectual Atabey who is stuck somewhere between “the might have been of the 1960’s” and biometrics.
“Exiles need to get on the train of the changes in Cuba, proclaims a Cuban businessman”
“Havana, Cuba (EFE).-the businessman Carlos Saladrigas, prominent figure among the Cuban exiles in the United States, believes that diaspora must get on to the "trains" of change in Cuba, where he believes "important steps" taken although he wants them to be more, faster and deeper.”
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....roclama-un-empresario-cubano.html
From: United States
the problem with DR is 90 percent of the population would rather take 200 pesos for their vote than fight for a better tomorrow.
at times i kind of wished trujillo ran this country still without the mass murdering of haitians of course. things were much better when he was president."
And therein lies the real danger and the opening for a Chavez-like Dominican candidate!
While it might look promising for some that a "Man on horseback" is the solution to our problems, history has demonstrated the opposite! Strong men govern for their interests and the small cadre of fellowtravellers willing to do anything to keep the Man in power. Like it or not, messy as it is, the current system will, given time and addressing the vast un/under-educated populace it rest on, offer a better future for Dominicans.
Consolidation of democratic processes takes time, and more so when the foundations are weak.
From: United States
says the eternal moron, atabey
He'll probably take the whippin' because reasonable judgment on Castro's Cuba will never grace his mind.
at no point in the thread did i make mention of Cuba. i made mention of Cubans living in Miami, and the rest of South Florida. i know it is hard for you to understand the difference, but try, anyway."
Dready,
You too should dust off some books on USA and Cuban history. Who knows, you might learn something!
Earth to Josean
These Cuban LIVE on the island, JOSEAN!
They have, let's say a real sense of what's happening as opposed to an outsiders' opinion.
If anyone thinks that Cuba's system is anything other than a Stalinist Caribbean version, just check out these BBC interviews with people LIVING IN Cuba!
Qué esperan los cubanos del congreso del Partido Comunista
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/notici....artido_comunista_voxpop_pea.shtml
Listen to these common Cuban voices. One says: We want that the popular power to be for REAL!!! "Que sea El Poder Popular REAL!!!
I would think a person who sooooooo much defends the interests of the real people, the proletariat, the workers, the poor, like......why Josean! Might see these interviews for the REALITY OF THE SITUATION IN CUBA.
Now back on Topic:
"Written by: williom, 28 Jan 2012 4:41 AM
From: United States
Josean's man looks very happy ;) Now what?"
Willom,
It took the PRD 24 years to attain power and it took the PLD 23 so don’t lose faith. The odds of Guillermo or his party being democratically elected are much better. It looked bleaker for both the PRD and the PLD in their infancy and they did not lose hope or quit.
Like Lincoln said. “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”
The Dominican people are beginning to wake up!
“Change is in your hands”
Guillermo Moreno
http://www.alianzapais.com.do/
Now Aatbey, like his God Lie-onel who thinks he is an expert on everything, picks the flavor of the month CUBA!
And do your reading on Democracy:
http://www.nature.com/news/democr....all-it-is-cracked-up-to-be-1.9925
A very apropos article on the subject. But be careful, Josean, you might actually need to READ or have someone explain it to you. :)
To wit:
"In fact, a key premise of current models of voting and opinion formation, is that most social consensus arises from mutual influence and the spreading of opinion, rather than from isolated decisions. On the one hand, you could say that this is just how democratic societies work. On the other, it makes voting a nonlinear process in which small effects (media bias or party budgets, say) can have disproportionately big consequences. At the very least, it makes voting a more complex and less transparent process than is normally assumed.
This isn’t to invalidate Winston Churchill’s dictum that democracy is the least bad political system. But let us not fool ourselves about wha
This isn’t to invalidate Winston Churchill’s dictum that democracy is the least bad political system. But let us not fool ourselves about what it entails."
Of course, you might just enjoy fooling yourself so you can waste more time.
Read and try to learn something.
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
And now for a brief nostalgic interlude;
Let’s take a little walk through memory lanes of the 1960’s with the hero of Atabey’s hero:
"Balaguer was a snitch for the FBI and worked for the invasion of 1965, according to book”
"SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-The seven times Dominican President Joaquin Balaguer was spy at the service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States (FBI) and worked to produce the invasion and occupation of the Dominican Republic by American troops."
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....invasion-de-1965-segun-libro.html
From: United States
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
Josean, might you be addressing the guy who has a degree, but cannot remember in what discipline it is?
From: United States
"You can't handle reality nor real debate Josean."
I know, but I only have “GED Level Status :)” but what's your excuse Mr. Highly Educated Genius?
how about plain vanilla congenital stupidity?
Dread,
He is typical of the pompous ass attitude of the Purple Ones and his God Lie-onel, who during the 2008 presidential campaign said that he wouldn’t debate because “he was the only one in the country that could conceptualize!”
However, Dread you are doing a very noble and humanitarian gesture by placating him with attention, if not who knows what self-destructive action he could commit against himself.
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
From: United States
Now back on Topic:"
Why it was "no go to the Forum" Josean!!!
Stay on topic and be consistent beyond your "caving in" to Y's challenge.
Most politicians start out good [more like good smooth talkers/conmen with bright ideas and empty promises] for once I would like to know about this candidates past accomplishments not his feel good crystal ball promises.
No one talks about track record any more, why ?
Here's going off the beaten path.....
LOL our prez "Oh'No" plans a ONE BILLION dollar $ re-election Champaign only because he has no track record in the last 31/4 years to run on.
Question: I wonder will DA Prez. "Oh'No" will use HOPE & CHANGE as his re-election motto.
"Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 1:43 PM
From: United States
Who was it that said: back on topic?
Written by: josean, 29 Jan 2012 12:05 PM
From: United States
Now back on Topic:"
Why it was "no go to the Forum" Josean!!!
Stay on topic and be consistent beyond your "caving in" to Y's challenge."
Mr. Socrates if you love the Forum so much, why don’t you stay there to see if you find your Plato.
Let us MERE MORTALS discuss commonsense everyday problems that have true relevance to the majority of Dominicans!
"“Havana, Cuba (EFE).-the businessman Carlos Saladrigas, prominent figure among the Cuban exiles in the United States,"
Prominent? Nobody i know has ever heard of him.
And why did we let the jealous moochers change the subject of this thread to a "Lets bash Cubans" topic?
I need a watch Alpha 66!
He'll be signing a new tune after his return. :)
http://youtu.be/U5xdRgA-MCo
Esto es necesario
Hermano
ese dinero que tanto necesitas para beber
con una de esas muchachitas por que no lo
sudas con tus propias manos, por que es mas
fácil quitárselo a una viejita bajando Galiano,
eso no es humano no te da tristeza arrastrarla
y dejarla llorando en el piso sola y sin fuerzas,
luego recogen te montan en la patrulla por la
pensión de una señora que puede ser la abuela tuya.
Hermano
por que lego a su cafetería, me trata como un payaso
y me niega un vaso de agua fría sin embargo se acerca
un extranjero sonrie limpia el mostrador y dice socio
el va primero le voy a ser sincero porque en realidad
vivo en la misma ciudad conozca la necesidad pero no
se olvide nunca que no quiso calmar la sed de un cubano
que esta luchando igual que usted.
"Prominent? Nobody i know has ever heard of him."
Alpha 66 that just means you DON'T NOW EVERYBODY, in addition to NOT KNOW ANYTHING!
who is "we'?the topic changed when some imbecile introduced Obama into a thread dealing with Guillermo Moreno
"Written by: Atabey, 29 Jan 2012 2:57 PM
From: United States
josean needs to take a trip to Cuba and live a few years in the "Socialist Paradise". LOL
He'll be signing a new tune after his return. :)"
And you need to get your head out of URANUS and live in the real world not METROLANDIA!
Hermano
Por que quieres golpearme y frente a mí novia sin motivos
humillarme por que tus quieres poner en mi cara
cuando realmente yo no te hecho nada mala jugada a los
hombres se respetan no sabes lo cara que puede salir una
galleta porque el complejo entonces se mezcla con ron y el
próximo baon lo das en Cristóbal Colón, presta atención
hermano es triste decirlo el asiento de la embarazada ya no
se da ahí que pedirlo ,los hombres no se paran a cederlo pa
cogerlos,.... y escupirlos,
Hermano
Por que entro a la tienda y me mira con cara de que que
nada se pierda yo no voy a robar nada desvíe su mirada
que me enfada de la forma en que me observa preguisios
de hacia todo lo distinto no soy un ladrón de chocolates
envuelto en nailos lindos, tengo algo de dinero y comprarle
quiero a mi chama unos plumones por pasar por gusto.
(Estribillo)
Desde un principio es mejor de principios valernos y saber que
es mas cuestión de corazón que de gobierno el porvenir se nubla
como el cielo mas grisoso hagamos algo a tiempo o vendrán tiempos
peligrosos
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,por las calles de mi Habana
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana,
miseria humana, por las calles de mi Habana
(Estribillo)
Hermana
por que tu novio te da golpes y su tu hijo se mete le respondes
Salte este es mi hombre¨ no sabes cuanta roña el niño esconde
Porque el quiere defenderte ser tu Héroe y tu sus sueños rompes,
al final ese fulano te abandona de la casa se aleja y deja tu
esperanza en coma, y que te queda aquel muchacho que pariste
que le negaste el amor de madre y valor no le distes.
Hermana
Por que quieres controlar los gustos de tu hija y por ella opinar
si ella esta enamora de un joven sincero y con ese extranjero
por dinero no se quiere casar en busca de un
Hermana
Por que quieres controlar los gustos de tu hija y por ella opinar
si ella esta enamora de un joven sincero y con ese extranjero
por dinero no se quiere casar en busca de una situación social
a veces olvidamos que somos seres humanos y el alma
deterioramos ,no la obligue que ella quiere ser feliz y usted solamente
quiere vivir bien y salir del país,
Hermana
Por que la esquina te llama y eres dama que va de cama en cama ,
en la barriga un chama en la mente 20 padres que ninguno
cogeria una guagua pa donarte sangre, es lógico que no te
dure una relación y que de ningún poema tu seas la inspiración
quieres saber porque te explico tu situación ,porque tu abres las
piernas y cierras el corazón
(Estribillo)
La presidente del CDR informa a los de arriba cuanto esta
mejorando tu forma de vida pero a ella nunca le a importado
si a tu hijo le a faltado un plato de comida a veces tu te sientas
(Estribillo)
La presidente del CDR informa a los de arriba cuanto esta
mejorando tu forma de vida pero a ella nunca le a importado
si a tu hijo le a faltado un plato de comida a veces tu te sientas
y te preguntas por que fulano habla mal de mi si yo lo tenia como un hermano brother ahi mucha gente aquí en la Habana infestados
con el virus de la miseria humana, yo quisiera cantar esta
canción en la plaza de la Revolución ,no porque sea una canción gusana,si no porque la va a escuchar gran parte de la Habana
,mañana despertaremos en medio de esta crónica de que no hay
un cubano que no sea hipócrita, todo será tan asqueroso como
unas viseras y nadie se dará la mano sin antes escupírsela.
Algo sigue andando mal y mal siguen mirando a alguien.
Miseria Humana"
Listen and learn, Josean!
Miseria Humana!
just google translate it.
But "miseria humana" shouldn't be that difficult to translate!
Los aldeanos - Viva Cuba libre
Documentarte Josean!
Se Picó la Naranja! Josean
El B (Los Aldeanos) - La Naranja Se Picó
http://youtu.be/TRlAePTmb4Y
6 irrelevante posts after mine:
¿Y quien fue el que se PICO Moradito?
Before I forget and Atabey continues to distort reality with biometrics or some other nonsense;
I would like to say THANK YOU to DT for posting an article on my candidate Guillermo Moreno.
Maybe someday he will be given an opportunity to submit and opinion piece.
Thanks again DT!
TRIBUNA: MARIO VARGAS LLOSA
Las ideas y el caos
El último libro de Enrique Krauze explica la actualidad y las perspectivas de América Latina. Ya no es el continente de las oportunidades perdidas, sino que ha entrado en un rumbo de progreso"
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/op....lpepiopi/20120129elpepiopi_12/Tes
"El optimismo que transpira el libro no peca de ingenuo, está fundado en datos, indicios y razonamientos persuasivos. Debo confesar que, en mi caso, ha servido para derribar desconfianzas y escepticismos que alentaba hacia algunos países, sumidos en problemas que me parecían obstáculos insalvables para que en ellos echaran raíces en un futuro próximo instituciones y costumbres democráticas sobre bases estables."
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
"who is dispatching them self upon Cubans? are you paying attention? i am dispatching myself, since you choose to use that term, upon the garbage in South Florida",
we know what CUBAN are running await from......what are you running await from,......Kingston?
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Esa bestia no sabe leer.......lo parieron por el #2.....
"Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta."
I don't know why such a well-read, learned pseudo-intellectual with an advanced education feels so OBSESSED with and THREATENED by the opinions of an untutored ignorant peasant like me!
It just doesn’t seem rational or logical!
"Written by: antonio1, 29 Jan 2012 9:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Atabey Wrote
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Esa bestia no sabe leer.......lo parieron por el #2....."
¡Por lo menos en mi caso me criaron, en el tuyo botaron al muchacho y criaron la PLACENTA!
¡IMBÉCIl!
The Public is already rejecting the PLD:
What happens if you” organize” a caravan at taxpayers’ expense and nobody comes?
“Margaret returned Santiago with enthusiasm, but did not obtain much support”
“The caravan appeared uncoordinated."
"On three occasions Fernández Cedeño retreated to the interior of her vehicle, a very luxurious SUV with a sunroof, but when she popped out again, the locations were practically empty and no one was chanting for her”
This appears like a "PURPLE ASS WHIPPING" in the making!
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....mo-pero-no-obtuvo-gran-apoyo.html
I got lots of minuses on my comment when I compared the current political scene of the DR and US and how similar they seem today.
I think this is what caused it:
"Republicans? what a joke set of candidates they have (I call them the Hippo like candidates) Couldn't they find a better set of people to represent them?"
Well, the truth is, THAT IS THE TRUTH.
DOMINICANS please WAKE UP and stop thinking about parties and colors. We need to vote for whom seems more adept to lead the country. Unfortunately, we only have the lesser of two evils between Danilo and Hippo. The lesser is Danilo (I wish he could surprise me) and that is only because Danilo would be surrounded by MORONS. Hippo, would also be surrounded by MORONS, but he is a MORON as well.
Look, I grew in PRD, but the truth today is that the leaders that we have chosen to represent in the PRD are a JOKE! VARGAS, no GOOD, so the PRD are not getting my vote till a real leader comes to the table.
minus me now
in many countries it is about parties an not about the candidates. That is because policies are decided in the party-room. If you want to be nominated by a party in your electorate then you must support the policies decided on by the party, and vote along party-lines when Bills are debated in parliament, unless the Bill is apolitical and the member can cast a "conscience" vote. Alternately you can stand for parliament as an independent. If there are two main parties with almost equal representation then independents have enormous power. Independents are generally voted in on their personal popularity and not policies.
In the Dominican Republic, policies seem to be irreverent. It seems to me to be a case of "he's got an honest face - maybe he won't steel as much as the other guy"
Check out the term "Caudillismo" for an introduction into Latin political traditions. Also, a bit of Roman history will help. But that article review by Vargas Llosa is a good modern take on the issue and its evolution in the Latin context.
I tell you one thing. When it comes to the US today, based on the political warfare that currently exists, an independent will have no power because it will literally be both top parties against the independent, unless of course, they form some sort of alliance at a later time. These politicians don't care about passing something that makes sense if it means having to agree with an opposing party.
we know what CUBAN are running await from......what are you running await from,......Kingston
yes, antonio. just like you are running from the law, the child support authorities, Drug Control, and all the guys from the cockfight arena that you owe money to.
What say you of Raul's statement that Cuba will remain a One Party State?
And yet he complains about corruption and the "errors of the past" thwarting the future of the nation unless they are corrected.
Why don't you send him a copy of Federalist paper #51 by Madison?
Most Australians (including this one) believe it is crazy that in this day and age, our ultimate head of state is Queen Elizabeth II, however as it aint broke, why fix it?
Let's give Dready some time to dust off his copy of the Federalist Papers and work himself up to speed on the separation of powers and Madison's solution to both majority and minority rule domination.
The problems with Dominican style democracy are its a) developmental infancy relative to other nations, b) poor institutional independence, c) crude and uneducated populace foundation.
As the nation matures and finally addresses its dismal educational foundations, providing its citizens with a solid K-12 education as a generalized norm throughout society, better personnel development will rise to the top and support institutional strength and coherence.
Eliminating the traditional norms of cuadillismo will be hard, but a necessary process if DR is ever to escape its democratic infancy stage.
Society needs to continue to develop cultural spaces that peacefully demonstrate and organize modernizing trends; thus facilitating greater appreciation & tolerance of best practi
From: United States
Roy,
Let's give Dready some time to dust off his copy of the Federalist Papers and work himself up to speed on the separation of powers and Madison's solution to both majority and minority rule domination.
when i was studying Political Science at the Institutue of Social and Economic Research, you were in Laguna Salada , digging up yuca. ever heard of Sir Alistair McIntyre? go google him. he presided over the tutorials i attended.
The Flavor of the Month is: the "Federalist Papers!"
Well at least it is not Biometrics!
Does Manhattan have a place called "Laguna Salada"? And I seriously doubt yucca cultivation in these climes-unless done under controlled environmental conditions.
Dready,
NYC > Kingston anytime of the year, day or hour!
Dready, please administer today's assignment to the in need pupil. Josean has the energy but is much lacking in substance and content.
The Vargas Llosa review @ http://internacional.elpais.com/i....actualidad/1327796062_641553.html And on Democracy:
http://www.nature.com/news/democr....all-it-is-cracked-up-to-be-1.9925
From: United States
The Flavor of the Month is: the "Federalist Papers!"
Well at least it is not Biometrics!
he will ride that horse, until it dies. i see that he went from biometrics, to Costa Rica, to the Federalist Papers. poor soul.
no way you were in the USA in the early 1970s, or you would have at least heard of Abe Beame. when i mentioned his name in a prior article,you went silent. then again, maybe you never got out of your basement often enough to know who ran the city in that era.
"As the nation matures and finally addresses its dismal educational foundations, providing its citizens with a solid K-12 education as a generalized norm throughout society, better personnel development will rise to the top and support institutional strength and coherence."
Well at least we have made some progress!
Finally, Atabey realizes that the MUMBO JUMBO of FUNGLODE and Lie-onel Fernandez about METROS, overpasses, tunnels, globalization, exports and modernity was nothing but rhetorical nonsense and the equivalent of putting the proverbial carts before the horse.
There is no documented evidence of any society in all of recorded human history advancing without a dedicated sustained effort to educate the largest number of its populace as possible.
Education is the develpoment engine of humanity, PERIOD!
Thank you Dread and others for helping me to BEAT this is into Atabeys Purple “brain!”
BTW, just because I don't reply to your every post doesn't mean I don't know what's on the down :)
Just like that sports testing in cardio fitness done in Jamaica and a certain relative of yours in football. :)
BTW, I've ALWAYS BEEN A STRONG EDUCATION ADVOCATE.
You are truly delusional if you believe me to have found out from you the enormous benefits to developing the hidden talents of the Dominican population.
TRY ANOTHER TACTIC :)
"BTW, I've ALWAYS BEEN A STRONG EDUCATION ADVOCATE."
A little revisionist history; but you have seen the light that’s what matters!
Who says you can't lead a horse to water and make him drink or you can’t teach and old Purple Dog new tricks!
actually, the testing was done by one of the largest sports and fitness companies in the world, and is based in the USA. that company that is going to prepare all the athletes of a major country for the upcoming London Olympics. that certain relative of mine is coordinating the venture. so, trying to belittle my relatives is a lost cause. who in your family has ever excelled at anything, besides you, in degeneracy?
From: United States
I once dated a fine young woman whose grandfather worked for Beams
the guy's name was Beame. maybe your girlfriend should have at least taught you to spell the name.
Dread I am sure Atabey, the revisionist, thinks old Abe was a giant of man!
And while it's been soooooooooooooo long in your particular case, we youngsters were into more interesting matters........... But alas, your prospective largely gone, why even bother?
Read Josean. Documentarte! Te hace mucha falta.
Los aldeanos - Viva Cuba libre
Documentarte Josean!
Se Picó la Naranja! Josean
El B (Los Aldeanos) - La Naranja Se Picó
http://youtu.be/TRlAePTmb4Y
VIVA CUBA LIBRE!
What are the issues for this guy? What are his positions?
Is he just saying the right things just to get votes and power?
Why should anyone support him besides the fact that he isn't PRD or PLD?
From: United States
I guess you should know.
And while it's been soooooooooooooo long in your particular case, we youngsters were into more interesting matters..
anything past yesterday is long ago for you, since you have the brains of a flea. then, you have the nerve to tell us you have a Masters in History,of all things.
BTW, that was some foolish stuff you said about Cubans yesterday! I wasn't aware that you hated them as a collective expression.
Remember, we are ALL just humans. Respect others so they respect you. And I'm your junior by how many decades? Wow!!!!
first of all, you are the fool, as far as i can see. my references were not made towards Cubans, as a people. i was referring to the Miami group. i am aware that intellectual honesty, or honesty of any kind, is not your stock in trade, so i will give you a pass.
You've really put your foot in your mouth this time. How can you be so casual in Group STEREOTYPING hundreds of thousands of people AS "the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages."
ALL GROUPS HAVE SOME BAD APPLES. BUT TO CLAIM SO FOR ALL IS AN INJUSTICE TO DECENCY.
You have really fallen off the table with that BIGOTED TAKE.
--lovingit asks:.. "Just curious... you are Jamaican right? what are your ties to DR that you seem to care about our issues?"
--Dread's reply:.. "i live here. is that sufficient?"
My question:... Where is "here". ??
"Moreno begins this Wednesday the "March for Dignity"
"SANTO DOMINGO ( Dominican Republic).-The presidential candidate of Alliance Party, Guillermo Moreno, will begin on Wednesday the "March for Dignity" which will take him over 2,252 kilometers in 26 days".
“It will depart at seven in the morning to San Cristóbal, where Mr. Moreno and his followers’ will reach out to people who want to be part of the change being proposed.”
Roy in your neck of the woods so you can come out and meet him if you wish and determine if he is the real deal or not!
http://www.7dias.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=114951
Guillermo Moreno, the candidate of Alliance Party, explains the "other campaign"
See the video:
http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....Pais-explica-la-otra-campana.html
"When things are bad anything sounds good",
So you admit things were bad under "Bush-whacked the American people?"
"Maybe he's a relative of O'bla bla with no goals ?"
Ask Osama bin Laden if Obama had no goals next time you see him in the afterlife!
They don't give a fu(k about their country or fellow Dominicans. National pride begins and ends when a Dominican-born American baseball-player hits a home run.
the DR Ron, the DR. at least, for now.
Politica
“He leído complacido las informaciones que han circulado al respecto, y solo tengo que decir que Nuria tiene la última palabra. Para mí sería un verdadero honor que ella aceptara ser la candidata vicepresidencial de AlPaís ”
Nuria Piera es propuesta para la vicepresidencia por seguidores de Moreno
Aseguró que su mayor interés es conformar un gabinete de hombres y mujeres serios, con autoridad moral, compromiso social y con verdaderas convicciones democráticas, condiciones que Nuria Piera posee"
If your man is smart Josean, he would go this route. Nuria would bring in a lot of frustrated Dominicans.
There has never been any question about Dr. Moreno’s intellect, but more importantly his integrity is oustanding!