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@Roy Stone - how does this 'support the arguement for restricting "legitimate" gun ownership'? The f'in ladrones are also taking guns from police and military, or are they on your list of "legitimate" ownership. I think the fact that a lot of diverse people here are armed assist in the curtailment of a lot of crime as a 'hood' can not be sure if it is risky or a free ride to rob someone, with out that uncertainty there would be a lot more violent crime.

DomRat,
Your argument is totally illogical and the the opposite of what the facts are:

1) Countries with liberal gun ownership laws (like USA) have far higher crime and homicide rates than countries with strict gun-ownership restrictions (like Australia) - a fact I pointed out to you before and you failed to explain.

2) So if a robber thinks you may be armed he then decides to be a law-abiding citizen instead? No, he kills you before you can kill him. He is more prepared than you, since he is initiating the confrontation, and is more likely to kill if he is a desperate criminal, or has killed before.

3) Often victims are killed or injured by their own gun when it is taken from them.

4) Many gun injuries and deaths are from accidents, hunting accidents, children getting hold of them etc.

Hence the article does support my argument, and destroys yours.

Roy

And how do you explain countries with Exrremely restrictive laws on private Gun ownership with much higher Violent Crime rates?

Mexico, El Salvador, Venezuela and South Africa


And Other countries who's crime rate is going up with Heavily controlled Gun ownership like the UK and Russia

Just look at the D.R. which has introduced even more restrictive control laws and yet crime is way up.

And yet violent crime rates in the US are going down even though Gun sales are through the roof.

The fact is that Gun Bans have no effect what so ever on crime rates.

I am 100% in disagreement with RoyStone's pro-gun control ideology but I do support his right to express it.

Those who are attempting to censor him are no better than those who wish to take away out right to defend ourselves and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Why are you guys hating on Roy? Facts don't lie.

HollandaLovesDR,

Facts don't lie..That is true. That is why Roy is wrong.

Dr. Roth argues that "Self-defense is commonly cited as a reason to own a gun. This is the explanation given by 20 percent of all gun owners and 40 percent of all handgun owners contacted for a household survey conducted in 1979. (Decision-Making Information, Inc., Attitudes of the American Electorate Toward Gun Control, Santa Ana, California: Decision-Making Information, Inc., 1979).

But research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60.) The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48).

Gun ownership, gun deaths and injuries are very common in the Dominican Republic. Like other laws, gun ownership laws are not enforced. Current and former member of police, (some criminals themselves) have guns and are allowed to keep them when they retire or are pensioned off, which is very common. These can then be sold, given to or stolen by others.
To say the Dominican Republic has substantial gun ownership restrictions is laughable.
Murder rates are high (24 per 100,000) and steadily increasing. (no all are gun-related)
Murder rates in Australia dropped significantly after introduction of stricter gun control laws (that were actually enforced) from 1.62 to 1.20 per 100,000, with 0.44 per 100,000 gun related.
Gun deaths in USA is 15.22 per 100,000 but half of these are suicides.

The gun death rate in South Africa is 74.57 per 100,000 and contrary to anthonyC's statement,
firearms are available to law-abiding, licensed citizens.

Likewise in Colombia where the gun death rate 51.77 per 100,000

Also contrary to AnthonyC's claim, the murder rate in the UK is going down, not up, as follows per 100,000 is 1.71 1.79 2.1 1.75 1.60 1.38 1.42 1.46 1.26 1.17 1.17
since 2000

The increasing rate per 100,000 in the Dominican Republic is in fact worse in absolute terms, when you consider the population explosion in the country. Perhaps the population will stabilize when the murder rate reaches the birth-rate?

Likewise murder rates have dropped rather than increased in Russia over the last 10 years as follows per 100,000 population;
28 30 31 29 27 25 20 18 17 15

Gun sales may have "gone through the roof" in USA, but there has not be a corresponding drop in the murder rate - it has remained fairly constant per 100,000 as follows:
5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.4 5.0

Of course gun ownership in not the only factor affecting murder and other crime rates, however the introduction of stricter gun control laws has had a definite positive effect. It has had an even stronger effect in reducing the rate of suicide and murder-suicides.

So gun-lovers, what's wrong with these facts?

only in Roystone's world is a drop 5.6 to 5.0 in the murder rate in less than 2 years, constant.

Of course he cannot show proof where stricter Gun Control laws have lowered Violent crime,

But that isn't what is important. the Fact that I have a RIGHT to own a Firearm and nobody, especially YOU has the right to tell me I can't. You can try but I seriously doubt you have the Cojones to try and take it from me.

anthonyC,
can you kindly show us th gun ownership figures for the USA for the last 10 years, so we can check the correlation if there is any? If the drop in the murder rate from 5.6 to 5.0 was attributed to increased gun ownership, then what was the increase in murder rate from 5.5 to 5.7 attributed to - thousands throwing their guns in the river?

Your final statement says it all - you don't give a fu(k about the reality of the situation, you need to own a gun to be a man.

Knock yourself out

http://www.guns.com/accidental-gu....homicides-at-an-all-time-low.html

As for your other silly statement......I am a Man and I want to own a Gun. You don't like it? Why don't you Try and take it from me....If you are a man!

When you've finished shooting yourself in the foot, macho man.
Your pro-gun site does not show any causative relationship between gun ownership and a reducing crime rate, only coincidence. The use of the internet has increased, and trees grew taller too. Maybe that caused the drop in the crime rate?
The reality is, guns have always been available in USA and the gun-related murder rate high too.
In Australia the gun-related murder rate dropped substantially after restrictions were introduced, an are still about 80% lower than in USA per 100,000 population.

None of your "STATISTICS" Show any causative relationship as well.
Many Countries have highly restrictive Gun Laws and yet their Murder rate is much higher than the US. I site the D.R. as an glaring example.

So by your own admission private Gun ownership has relationship with Violent Crime.

But Again I would like to point out that I DON"T CARE! Nobody has the right to tell me I cannot arm myself. NOBODY! Not You. Not OBAMA, NOT ANY GOVERNMENT!!!!


NOBODY!


Got It?

anthonyC,
Since when has the Dominican Republic enforced strict gun-control laws? It's easier to buy a gun here than a book.

RoyStone,

Your argument is totally illogical and the the opposite of what the facts are:

1) Countries with liberal gun ownership laws (like USA) have far higher crime and homicide rates than countries with strict gun-ownership restrictions (like Australia) - a fact I pointed out to you before and you failed to explain.

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RoySotne - you are so wrong in what you are stating here?

Please enlighten yourself first before you spill gasous words.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/....e-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010

Other sources:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

Thank you, JPDTrinity, I have just enlightened myself on the site you posted. It seems you didn't read it, let alone understand it, and I quote:

"Brits used to around 600 murders per year. In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms"

Now does that tell you anything? (probably not)

Correct me if I a wrong, but there is nothing on those sites that contradicts the point I made, or supports your pro-gun argument.