Santo Domingo.- Aimed at contributing knowledge about national identity from social relationships by Dominicans in the United States, a prominent Dominican-American intellectual based in New York City, dictated a lecture in the Santo Domingo State University UASD.
Silvio Torres Saillant, Professor at Syracuse University and founder of New York University’s Dominican Studies Institute, recalled that seeing the conditions of exclusion which his compatriots withstood in 1992, spurred him to found the department on Dominican immigrants' political, economic and social studies.
He said that’s the way he became aware of the Dominican population’s virtues and industriousness, noting that the diaspora’s ignorance of their rights led it to be unfairly prejudiced and was known only as "drug dealers."
Torres Saillant, chair of the Latino and Latin American Studies for New York State University at Syracuse, added that before that institute was founded, the situation of Dominicans living in New York wasn’t known.
From: United States
I would be leery of any Dominican whose last name ends with "Saillant."
How could it be possible for this college professor to not long ago become ".....aware of the Dominican population’s virtues and industriousness, noting that the diaspora’s ignorance of their rights led it to be unfairly prejudiced ..."
I don't buy that--Dominicans have been known to be hard working and entrepreneurial since the begining of their arrival to NY. It was only in the later years that things began to change somewhat but it was mostly limited to a specific geographical area. However, we have had an overall decent reputation througout the eastern seaboard, the South, parts of the midwest and Fla.
Nevertheless, the particularity he mentions is not unique to our diaspora, but rather every immigrant group has had their brand of bad apples well represented amongst their own. But my question, why professorTorres-Saillant not long ago just learned about our virtues, sure beats the hell out of me.
From: United States
Is it the 2nd largest in the US or NY state prison system? Which is it?
From: United States
A report issued by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), found that nearly 70 percent of the criminal aliens in federal prisons, and 66 percent in state prisons, were born in Mexico. About five percent are from the Dominican Republic, and five percent from Colombia.
Now that is one hell of a big gap from 70% to 5% don't you think Basta?
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
I concur, Dominicans on long Island are known for their Supermarkets, Bodegas, Restaurants, Landscaping Routes. My family did it in the 50's and they came from Deeeeeeeeeep inside San Jose delas Matas without the knowledge of the English language.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Oct 2012 4:30 PM
From: United States, NYC
What the professor, Silvio Torres Saillant, is really trying to say is that during his introduction to NYC, during the early 1990s, Dominicans were known as street dealers, taxis drivers, and bodega owners, etc. The popular notion, used by Giuliani and D'Amato as part of their political credential gathering scheme.
By Susan Heller Anderson and David W. Dunlap
Published: July 10, 1986
The men pictured on the front page are Benjamin F. Baer, chairman of the Federal Parole Commission; the United States Attorney in Manhattan, Rudolph W. Giuliani, and Senator Alfonse M. D'Amato.
They were all going undercover to buy drugs.
Mr. Giuliani donned a Hell's Angels leather vest and sunglasses, and Senator D'Amato, Republican of New York, put on an Army cap, a windbreaker and tasseled black loafers before the three officials - escorted by more than 30 Federal law-enforcement agents and police officers -went into the Washington Heights section of Manhattan and bought crack."
Written by: Atabey, 15 Oct 2012 4:32 PM
From: United States, NYC
And yes, during this period, 1980-2000, Dominicans were in large numbers entering the drug trade as street sellers. The Jose "Kiko" Garcia fuled riot also cemented in many minds the connection. But, of course, there were other popular notions attached to earlier waves of Dominicans as Guillermone and Robert above have stated.
Written by: devin11, 15 Oct 2012 4:41 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Mexico is by far the largest immigrant group in the US, especially when you consider their legal/illegal population profile. The 70% number cited for Mexicans is incredibly high but in terms of percentage, the 5% incarceration rate for Dominicans when considering that their population is far less than even .05% of the immigration pool is statistically far and away higher in terms of inmates as a percentage of population.
This is a recent (last 10-12 years) trend since the statistics I have read have the Dominican population at amongst the lowest incarcerated population as a percentage of their population 20-25 years ago. NY drug laws have been quite draconian since the Rockerfeller administration which preceded the largest immigration periods for Dominicans. I don't know what the greatest factor for the trend reversal is nor have I heard any salient reasons regarding the same.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:14 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
nice comments by many on this site.
but what about dominicans in the ealry 1970's they went into the rob some one elses car business {rob them in new york and ship them back to the dr, then into real estate fraud 1n the 1980's then as u know the drug business.
in the 1950's uncle sam open the flood gates for the folks from puerto rico many move to brooklyn . when they got off the plane {in these days they used trans caribbean airlines} went right to the office for the "free money' welfare. the more babies they had the more money they got so they made tons of babies.they went into the drug business not long after they arrive. many live on he south side {after they destroy the apts and moved out to florida and conn.
then dominicans started to move into the same apts and areas.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:25 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
u speak of bodegas the ricans open many in these days they where fronts for taken the numbers racket. pick 3 numbers. in brooklyn area meyer lanskey had a strong hold on this area and the numbers run by sam the jew. they collected the numbers and would turn the play every day into sam the jews banker
later on many ricans went into the drug trade in the 1970's their was a hugh bust it was called the :latin america connection" the lead federal agent wrote a book called the latin america connection" . this gang was made up of mostly ricans but had at least one dominican who went by the name rico.
they bought the drugs in mexico and shipped it back to the new york area.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:33 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
after this hugh bust the dominican got of jail on a hugh bail which he posted and u know what happen? on the 1st plane back to his safe haven in the dr."the story was that he had a family menber who was one general' no way they would send him back no chance at all {this guy had tons of money to give for the protection he needed. they never did get him back into the states this guy rico was looking at life in jail if they got their hands on him. wonder if he is still alive and well in the dr? any way as u well know many of the store fronts they open are "just. fronts" yeah some are run by honest hard working dominicans but u know the story dont u?
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:44 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
what is really sad in the dr education does not exist, in the states one can go to any school and if they really want to make your going to get a good education and u have a chance to.make it.
but the numbers are very low for dominicans to even finish high school the ones who make it to a university these numbers are very low who finish. only 3% of all latinos make it.
the ricans have been here for 80 years and still not much education and how the dominicans are going down the same road. if u want numbers which i posted a few months go google search it the numbers are their for all to see.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:53 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
so how they have the english and now be able to get close to the tourists and then rob them.
good for the dr no?
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:53 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
25% BIGNUMBER IN 1996 NO? 25% HARD WORKING HONEST FOLKS YEAH SURE
CHOO CHOO TRAIN.
ALL ABOARD THE CON-AIR TO THE METRO CHOO CHOO
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:57 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
in just one year
Almost 10,000 Dominicans deported from the United States in only two years - That's two 747 full of hard core criminals every month. And it will continue....!!!
The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported during the past year 4.978 Dominican ex-convicts after serving sentences in U.S. jails.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 5:58 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
The Dominicans deported were serving sentences in the states of New York, New Jersey, Brooklyn, Texas, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia and Puerto Rico for drug trafficking, homicide, assault, kidnapping, rape, bank fraud, money laundering and other crimes. According to data supplied, there was an increase in deportations of former inmates returned to Las Americas Airport in Dominican Republic from 4.858 in the year 2010 to 4.978 in 2011.
Written by: danny00, 15 Oct 2012 6:15 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
Too Many Tourists & Foreign Investors Are Killed In Dominican Republic - Body Count: 33, Who Is Next? Canadian Civil War World Blogger Calls DR The World's Most Dangerous Country!
CHOO CHOO TRAIN
ALL ABOARD.
THIS IS WHY PUERTO PLATA IS OUT OF BUSINESS.
U KILL THE CHICKEN WHO LAYS THE GOLDEN EGG?
SO NOW THEY HAVE NO ONE TO KILL BUT EACH OTHER.
REAL INTELLIGENT.
CHOO CHOO
ALL ABOARD THE KILLING MACHINE U COME ON VACATION AND GET SENT BACK IN A BODY BAG.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
The choo choo Moron has spoken.
Written by: juanb, 15 Oct 2012 6:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Danny is off his meds again.
From: United States
The first three of the groups where heavily involved in alcohol running during prohibition and weather you admit it or not alcohol is a drug.
Italians are still heavily associated with organized crime “Mafia”.
African Americans boost there drug sales and use in rap music to this day.
And Puerto Ricans that think they are gods sent to the world act as if they don’t sell, use or know of anything having to do with drugs.
Dominicans are just used as escape goats, most likely because we have been successful where others have failed.
I remember when I was much younger that a lady that lived in my neighbor accused all Dominicans of selling drugs, this bothered me cause my father worked hard all his life and did not have the glamorous drug life some people claim they have. I most certainly did not have all the toys I wanted as a child. Years later her son was arrested for drug dealing.
From: United States
Dominican had or actually still has a bad stigma about them. But I think it’s cause most other people are very hypercritical.
As far as drug dealing, well name me a group and either they use or have sold drugs.
for example the Irish, the Italians, the Jews the African Americans and the Puerto Ricans.
From: United States
All minority groups in the US face some sort of prejudice and/or stereotype of some kind. BTW, I took an undergrad course with Prof. Torres Saillant when he taught at CCNY and he is really good at what he does.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States
As a Dominican that has been in the US Army for over twenty years and has seen much of the world, i have to say that we as dominicans seem to be going backwards. Our immigrant parents worked their butts of so we can get ahead, but young Dominicans only want to follow the trends of rappers and drug dealers. We've gone ghetto.
Written by: Danilo, 15 Oct 2012 8:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, www.DuckyDeals.com
From my travel experience the only ones that consider the Dominicans to be drug dealers are the other Hispanics, particularly other Dominicans. In the US Dominicans should only worry about impressing Americans--who think that all we know is baseball.
From: United States
i agree with Zony
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 8:24 PM
From: United States
Danilo i wish i could agree with you. Dominicans are known for baseball and.......thats about it for anything positive. I've been involved in many diplomatic circles around the world and i always had to explain to people from all over the world that there are educated dominicans that can actually pronounce their words correctly. Then they thought i was mixed with something else and i had to tell i was 100% dominican.
Written by: Danilo, 15 Oct 2012 8:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, www.DuckyDeals.com
Lol zony, same here, they're like "are you half white? half puerto rican?"... nope, there are actually many of us that have big dreams and work hard to learn and make a difference.
From: United States
says zonyk
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States
As a Dominican that has been in the US Army for over twenty years and has seen much of the world, i have to say that we as dominicans seem to be going backwards. Our immigrant parents worked their butts of so we can get ahead, but young Dominicans only want to follow the trends of rappers and drug dealers. We've gone ghetto.
so have most immigrant groups from the region. the Jamaicans are no better. they have the same values, or lack thereof. the Dominicans just learnt from them, that is all. the sad part is that there are so many industrious, creative, ingenious Dominicans in foreign lands, but the chopos always ruin the good name of the good people.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 9:49 PM
From: United States
I hear you dreadlocks, and your right. Unfortunately we only copy the bad things. The irish, the italians, the jews they all did it and do it but they do it to get their kids ahead. The dominican problem like the Jamaicans begins not here in the US but in our motherlands where corruption and ignorance is a normal form of business. Look at our music, who besides Juan Luis Guerra has any quality lyrics. Our merengues used to be like poems. Our parent's music had amazing lyrics! If any bachata has good lyrics, chances are it was a colombian vallenato. We are breeding ignorance!
From: United States
i agree, zonyk, but times have changed. look at the difference between the wisdom of the words of Bob Marley, and the crap that Jamaican dancehall 'singers" are producing today. the youth of Jamaica have no real interest in Marley these days. they want dumb rap music, which speaks of hoes, and bling bling. nothing progressive. and, yes, it is mysterious that so many kids pick up the negative foolishness, rather than the stuff JLG produces.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 10:22 PM
From: United States
You speak the hard truth dreadlocks. Sad, but true........
From: United States
says zonyk
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 10:22 PM
From: United States
You speak the hard truth dreadlocks. Sad, but true.....
you have a pretty good grasp of the reality, yourself.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 10:39 PM
From: United States
We have to start with our own kids, teach them right from wrong, even though we are living in a kardashian world. Where sex tapes make you somebody, teach them that there is a right way and that everything isnt about money. Education is key. I read an article about a very poor haitian family in the south bronx that has a seven year old daughter that speaks three languages, plays the violin and piano and is super advanced in school. Her parents work multiple jobs to provide her with tutors and teachers. Thats dedication..:
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Oct 2012 11:25 PM
From: United States
Typical reaction.....Shoot the Messenger!
From: United States
What the Haitian family is doing for their seven year old daughter is very similar to what the majority of Asian families do for their children and the results are obvious. Most if not all of the Asians in American schools out perform on all levels and leave everyone else in the dust.
Therefore, the key is family, strong dedicated parents who are committed to their children. There is no secret formula. Unfortunately, everybody wants to come out with new design plans and want to reinvent the wheel yet the answer is so very simple.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 11:42 PM
From: United States
Guillermone you made another point i had lightly hit on earlier. How are parents worked their butts off to improve our quality of life and used old school methods like you said. Many of the second and third generation dominicans and latinos in general shun those methods and decide to liberate their children and in the end provide no guidance. Asians stick to what works whether conventional america accepts it or not, and look at the results!
From: United States
in fairess to the USA, we have to admit that it is hampered by the reality that it is not as homogenous a society as places like the East, and Europe. the countries of those regions are old societies, relatively speaking, with established cultures. the USA is a collection of competing racial and ethnic interests, which have no common vision for progress. it is a collection of dogs eating dogs. combine that with the extreme materialism and consumerism of the mindset, and what we get is people whose value systems are distorted by the short run idea that he who has the most money wins. the Easterners plan way ahead, looking for common progress. in the USA, every racial and ethnic group fields its own candidates in elections, looking to obtain what is best for their group. in the East, everyone is one group. the rivalries are regional, but not fundamental.
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 9:35 AM
From: United States
You are right again dreadlocks but so much of it is based on values. The majority of asians who come here have one purpose, moving forward- progress. They'll live ten deep in a two bedroom apartment without spending a dime that doesnt go towards that goal and education is utmost. Im speaking of the ones that get off the boat with no money at all, many dont even know how to read. Too many of our people, unfortunately, take their first paycheck and buy $200 jordans. They look like a million bucks without a dollar to their name. This is what we have to change.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Oct 2012 9:58 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: zonyk157,
As a Dominican that has been in the US Army for over twenty years and has seen much of the world, i have to say that we as Dominicans seem to be going backwards. Our immigrant parents worked their butts of so we can get ahead, but young Dominicans only want to follow the trends of rappers and drug dealers. We've gone ghetto."
Some Dominicans. And yes, given the low educational achievement many young Dominicans bring to the states, their generally poor attitude towards grinding out academic credentials to get into the middle class flow has produced many ill-educated and job-lacking individuals with a tremendous urge for material wants and an inability to gain good paying jobs to afford such spending levels.
But there are other Dominicans who HAVE taken the correct paths. Little is known about them; many have married outside Dominican cycles and many of these are not "considered Dominicans" by those who come into contact with them.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Oct 2012 10:03 AM
From: United States, NYC
I remember reading how Evan Longoria, the star third basemen for Tampa Bay, was taken aback to learn that Carlos Peña was Dominican. Longoria had apparently met many Dominicans in the minor leagues who were poorly educated and didn't speak English. When told that Carlos Peña was Dominican, Longoria was surprised. This happens a lot, but is slowly changing as more people gain a better understanding about the diversity within the Dominican community.
Achieving and sustaining a National K-12 educational system of education will do much to change this outward perception of Dominicans. It's high time this came to be; but it will necessitate increasing taxes AND decreasing Middle class entitlements, and increasing them for the poorest members of the society. AND THAT WILL TAKE A HUGE LEAP. people don't want to give up their middle class entitlements, subsidized college education, etc., even if this might mean better prospects for the poorer sectors of society.
From: United States
zonyk, just look at the Koreans that own all the fruit stands in NYC. ever seen one of those guys in a Fubu shirt, and Jordan sneakers? nope! they buy their clothes at the Salvation Army thrift shops. they are not about impressing anyone with their money. then, go to Fort Lee, and see how they live. clean neighborhood, quiet as a mouse, and they have things in the refrigerator. and, all their kids have the latest in computer hardware, and software. a few weeks ago, a retro Jordan sneaker was introduced. people lined up to buy a pair from the night before. when the door was opened in the morning, the crowd broke it off the hinges!! to buy sneakers!! is it any wonder that our people are going nowhere?
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 11:09 AM
From: United States
Atabey i hear what you are saying but at the end of the day there has to be personal responsiblity. What dreadlock and i are saying is that many dominicans have lost that sense of responsibility. I grew up in washington heights during the crazy days of the crack wars in the 80s and 90s but my parents made sure that we werent falling in with everyone else. The government can ony help you so much. We need to go back to basics. I am one of those dominicans that other dominicans say im not keeping it real because im not blasting bachata in my car and my pants dont sag and i speak properly. I came up in the ghetto but i dont have to stay there. My proudest moment was when i took my child back to my old neighborhood in new york and she was shocked by the amount of trash and filth on the streets. When i was growing up there that was normal. I knew at that point the cycle had been broken.
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
"were known only as drug dealers" Iread "WERE" what a nice way to put it . Nowadays there are no news about DR if none of drugs related. it's happening EVERYDAY.
From: United States
zonyk, i am amazed at the number of young Dominicans, in the DR, who only know one American word...mother**cker. what is that? i watch these young kids, all of around 14 years old, playing video games, all day long. they have computers, but never use them for anything but entertainment. Asian kids do, too. some of them are wizards at video games. some of them design video games. but most of them start to play AFTER they do their homework. we have no priorities. we have no vision. we live for the moment, and do not think about tomorrow. if a truck pulled up in the barrio, giving away Presidente, and playing loud music, the whole neighborhood would run out of their houses. if it pulled up tomorrow, giving away books...who cares?
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 12:14 PM
From: United States
You are right dreadlocks. Its a wasted youth, but the rich love it when we raise our kids like that because we are providing them with a guaranteed cheap labor force. Laugh now, cry later. I truly believe that the parents carry a great deal of the blame.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Written by: RobertoJose, 15 Oct 2012 4:08 PM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
I concur, Dominicans on long Island are known for their Supermarkets, Bodegas, Restaurants, Landscaping Routes. My family did it in the 50's and they came from Deeeeeeeeeep inside San Jose delas Matas without the knowledge of the English language.
Very true in the paterson nj broadway area all taxi cab , bodegas , checks cashing spots, wireless small bussnesses are mostly all owned by dominican immigrants . one thing I will say about dominicans they are very underrated entrepreneurs immigrant culture .
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 6:47 PM
From: United States
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Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 6:59 PM
From: United States
I think haitiking is doing some voodoo..... Hellborn dominicans are great entrepeneurs but unfortunately we have so many more going to jail and getting deported than starting businesses in ny and nj.
From: United States
@zonyk157-Don't pay no mind, he forgot to take his meds today................
From: United States
zonyk wonders
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 6:47 PM
From: United States
?
your guess is as good as mine. crack cocaine? crystal meth? Canadian weed? who can say for sure?
From: United States
I am aware many of our compatriots to put it mildly, misbehave and are not exactly exemplanery. However, in all fairness, we focus too much attention on the misfits when we also know there are thousands of professional that keep a low profile and pass through incognito.
My own personal experience testifies to this. Just to give a few examples, my uncle graduated from Texas A&M and was hired by Nestle fresh out of college. He rose through the ranks and made a successful, life long career as a food Engineer. Matter of factly, during his tenure he worked some years in Jamaica. My cousin is a CFO for a tobacco conglomorate and is on a 5 yr assignment in Lausanne, Switzerland. During the 1960's my mother's cousin was one of the first DR pediatricians in upper Manhattan.
There are thousands upon thousands of examples of Dominican doctors, teachers, engineers, accountants and lawyers that we hear little about. The fact is like any immigrant group, we also have good together with bad
Written by: PENJO, 16 Oct 2012 9:15 PM
From: United States
Hum Interesting to se the diversitty of opinion here. I extend my gratitude to the Professor for bringing this article to the public. It doesn;t say much of reality of the Dominican society here, not only in New York City. but mostly the Northeast corridor of the USA. It is sad the reputation we Dominicans enjoy these days. So Professor it is not a "was", It is a Ïs". Yes Dominican are still labeled from as drug dealers downward, and our women are nothing but "Foxes money hungry. Dominican women arre only attracted to drug dealers than can provide them with ïPhones"and foolish gifts as such. Please this sounds pretty harsh. It does indeed. The good thing is that it is not my opinion. I am only passing on what I gather from one foreum to another. My own opion is: That in part is TRUE. Sadly the few that exhibit this behaviors tarnish the whole. "Dominicans only want to kill and trick people to get Dollars to change for Millions in their country and Las mujers are ZORRAS P&%@$"That's us
From: United States
ha'huir.............esta suelto el loco..............!!!!
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Oct 2012 12:12 AM
From: United States, Miami
Zonky, your looking at your ppl way too harshly. Dominicans are a diverse community. I don't have to tell you that. However the NYC-tri-state environment makes many of our people harder, tougher, bruto. There are so many good examples of Dominicans that are walking the straight and narrow, keeping their chin up and making us proud.
Written by: zonyk157, 17 Oct 2012 3:24 AM
From: United States
I think haitiking really lost it.....he does keep the party going! Yucahu you are right, i am extremely harsh with my people because as a whole we need a swift kick in the ass. Someone needs to. Its my love for my people
that makes me so critical of them, because i understand our potential. We need to get our young people back on track. I know what a hard, cold city does to a person but we can't keep using it as crutch, generation after generation. Unfortunately things keep getting only worse in the island as well. Drugs, violence and corruption are spiraling out of control. This can be used as a measuring stick for what is going on with us as a people.
From: United States
zonyk, HaitiKing did not lose it. he never had it to begin with.
From: Haiti
Haitian Consul for Investment in Atlanta Arrested for Auto Theft
ATLANTA, USA.Moise Garcon, Consul for Investment at the Consulate General of Haiti in Atlanta was arrested for theft of a Toyota 4Runner in Henry County, Georgia on Wednesday.
According to the Henry Herald , Garcon who is also the General Coordinator of Ayiti Demain, a Haitian Diaspora benevolence organization, has no apparent criminal history and was charged with theft by conversion.
Police say, Garcon borrowed a 2007 Toyota 4Runner valued at $12,000 and refused to return it. Garcon allegedly told the vehicle owner that he would return it "on his time".
Chief Magistrate Robert Godwin reduced Garcon's bond from $24,000 to $5,000.
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How could it be possible for this college professor to not long ago become ".....aware of the Dominican population’s virtues and industriousness, noting that the diaspora’s ignorance of their rights led it to be unfairly prejudiced ..."
I don't buy that--Dominicans have been known to be hard working and entrepreneurial since the begining of their arrival to NY. It was only in the later years that things began to change somewhat but it was mostly limited to a specific geographical area. However, we have had an overall decent reputation througout the eastern seaboard, the South, parts of the midwest and Fla.
Nevertheless, the particularity he mentions is not unique to our diaspora, but rather every immigrant group has had their brand of bad apples well represented amongst their own. But my question, why professorTorres-Saillant not long ago just learned about our virtues, sure beats the hell out of me.
Now that is one hell of a big gap from 70% to 5% don't you think Basta?
What the professor, Silvio Torres Saillant, is really trying to say is that during his introduction to NYC, during the early 1990s, Dominicans were known as street dealers, taxis drivers, and bodega owners, etc. The popular notion, used by Giuliani and D'Amato as part of their political credential gathering scheme.
By Susan Heller Anderson and David W. Dunlap
Published: July 10, 1986
The men pictured on the front page are Benjamin F. Baer, chairman of the Federal Parole Commission; the United States Attorney in Manhattan, Rudolph W. Giuliani, and Senator Alfonse M. D'Amato.
They were all going undercover to buy drugs.
Mr. Giuliani donned a Hell's Angels leather vest and sunglasses, and Senator D'Amato, Republican of New York, put on an Army cap, a windbreaker and tasseled black loafers before the three officials - escorted by more than 30 Federal law-enforcement agents and police officers -went into the Washington Heights section of Manhattan and bought crack."
And yes, during this period, 1980-2000, Dominicans were in large numbers entering the drug trade as street sellers. The Jose "Kiko" Garcia fuled riot also cemented in many minds the connection. But, of course, there were other popular notions attached to earlier waves of Dominicans as Guillermone and Robert above have stated.
This is a recent (last 10-12 years) trend since the statistics I have read have the Dominican population at amongst the lowest incarcerated population as a percentage of their population 20-25 years ago. NY drug laws have been quite draconian since the Rockerfeller administration which preceded the largest immigration periods for Dominicans. I don't know what the greatest factor for the trend reversal is nor have I heard any salient reasons regarding the same.
but what about dominicans in the ealry 1970's they went into the rob some one elses car business {rob them in new york and ship them back to the dr, then into real estate fraud 1n the 1980's then as u know the drug business.
in the 1950's uncle sam open the flood gates for the folks from puerto rico many move to brooklyn . when they got off the plane {in these days they used trans caribbean airlines} went right to the office for the "free money' welfare. the more babies they had the more money they got so they made tons of babies.they went into the drug business not long after they arrive. many live on he south side {after they destroy the apts and moved out to florida and conn.
then dominicans started to move into the same apts and areas.
later on many ricans went into the drug trade in the 1970's their was a hugh bust it was called the :latin america connection" the lead federal agent wrote a book called the latin america connection" . this gang was made up of mostly ricans but had at least one dominican who went by the name rico.
they bought the drugs in mexico and shipped it back to the new york area.
but the numbers are very low for dominicans to even finish high school the ones who make it to a university these numbers are very low who finish. only 3% of all latinos make it.
the ricans have been here for 80 years and still not much education and how the dominicans are going down the same road. if u want numbers which i posted a few months go google search it the numbers are their for all to see.
good for the dr no?
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
25% BIGNUMBER IN 1996 NO? 25% HARD WORKING HONEST FOLKS YEAH SURE
CHOO CHOO TRAIN.
ALL ABOARD THE CON-AIR TO THE METRO CHOO CHOO
Almost 10,000 Dominicans deported from the United States in only two years - That's two 747 full of hard core criminals every month. And it will continue....!!!
The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported during the past year 4.978 Dominican ex-convicts after serving sentences in U.S. jails.
CHOO CHOO TRAIN
ALL ABOARD.
THIS IS WHY PUERTO PLATA IS OUT OF BUSINESS.
U KILL THE CHICKEN WHO LAYS THE GOLDEN EGG?
SO NOW THEY HAVE NO ONE TO KILL BUT EACH OTHER.
REAL INTELLIGENT.
CHOO CHOO
ALL ABOARD THE KILLING MACHINE U COME ON VACATION AND GET SENT BACK IN A BODY BAG.
Danny is off his meds again.
Italians are still heavily associated with organized crime “Mafia”.
African Americans boost there drug sales and use in rap music to this day.
And Puerto Ricans that think they are gods sent to the world act as if they don’t sell, use or know of anything having to do with drugs.
Dominicans are just used as escape goats, most likely because we have been successful where others have failed.
I remember when I was much younger that a lady that lived in my neighbor accused all Dominicans of selling drugs, this bothered me cause my father worked hard all his life and did not have the glamorous drug life some people claim they have. I most certainly did not have all the toys I wanted as a child. Years later her son was arrested for drug dealing.
As far as drug dealing, well name me a group and either they use or have sold drugs.
for example the Irish, the Italians, the Jews the African Americans and the Puerto Ricans.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States
As a Dominican that has been in the US Army for over twenty years and has seen much of the world, i have to say that we as dominicans seem to be going backwards. Our immigrant parents worked their butts of so we can get ahead, but young Dominicans only want to follow the trends of rappers and drug dealers. We've gone ghetto.
so have most immigrant groups from the region. the Jamaicans are no better. they have the same values, or lack thereof. the Dominicans just learnt from them, that is all. the sad part is that there are so many industrious, creative, ingenious Dominicans in foreign lands, but the chopos always ruin the good name of the good people.
Written by: zonyk157, 15 Oct 2012 10:22 PM
From: United States
You speak the hard truth dreadlocks. Sad, but true.....
you have a pretty good grasp of the reality, yourself.
Typical reaction.....Shoot the Messenger!
Therefore, the key is family, strong dedicated parents who are committed to their children. There is no secret formula. Unfortunately, everybody wants to come out with new design plans and want to reinvent the wheel yet the answer is so very simple.
As a Dominican that has been in the US Army for over twenty years and has seen much of the world, i have to say that we as Dominicans seem to be going backwards. Our immigrant parents worked their butts of so we can get ahead, but young Dominicans only want to follow the trends of rappers and drug dealers. We've gone ghetto."
Some Dominicans. And yes, given the low educational achievement many young Dominicans bring to the states, their generally poor attitude towards grinding out academic credentials to get into the middle class flow has produced many ill-educated and job-lacking individuals with a tremendous urge for material wants and an inability to gain good paying jobs to afford such spending levels.
But there are other Dominicans who HAVE taken the correct paths. Little is known about them; many have married outside Dominican cycles and many of these are not "considered Dominicans" by those who come into contact with them.
Achieving and sustaining a National K-12 educational system of education will do much to change this outward perception of Dominicans. It's high time this came to be; but it will necessitate increasing taxes AND decreasing Middle class entitlements, and increasing them for the poorest members of the society. AND THAT WILL TAKE A HUGE LEAP. people don't want to give up their middle class entitlements, subsidized college education, etc., even if this might mean better prospects for the poorer sectors of society.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
I concur, Dominicans on long Island are known for their Supermarkets, Bodegas, Restaurants, Landscaping Routes. My family did it in the 50's and they came from Deeeeeeeeeep inside San Jose delas Matas without the knowledge of the English language.
Very true in the paterson nj broadway area all taxi cab , bodegas , checks cashing spots, wireless small bussnesses are mostly all owned by dominican immigrants . one thing I will say about dominicans they are very underrated entrepreneurs immigrant culture .
@zonyk157-Don't pay no mind, he forgot to take his meds today................
Written by: zonyk157, 16 Oct 2012 6:47 PM
From: United States
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your guess is as good as mine. crack cocaine? crystal meth? Canadian weed? who can say for sure?
I am aware many of our compatriots to put it mildly, misbehave and are not exactly exemplanery. However, in all fairness, we focus too much attention on the misfits when we also know there are thousands of professional that keep a low profile and pass through incognito.
My own personal experience testifies to this. Just to give a few examples, my uncle graduated from Texas A&M and was hired by Nestle fresh out of college. He rose through the ranks and made a successful, life long career as a food Engineer. Matter of factly, during his tenure he worked some years in Jamaica. My cousin is a CFO for a tobacco conglomorate and is on a 5 yr assignment in Lausanne, Switzerland. During the 1960's my mother's cousin was one of the first DR pediatricians in upper Manhattan.
There are thousands upon thousands of examples of Dominican doctors, teachers, engineers, accountants and lawyers that we hear little about. The fact is like any immigrant group, we also have good together with bad
ha'huir.............esta suelto el loco..............!!!!
that makes me so critical of them, because i understand our potential. We need to get our young people back on track. I know what a hard, cold city does to a person but we can't keep using it as crutch, generation after generation. Unfortunately things keep getting only worse in the island as well. Drugs, violence and corruption are spiraling out of control. This can be used as a measuring stick for what is going on with us as a people.
ATLANTA, USA.Moise Garcon, Consul for Investment at the Consulate General of Haiti in Atlanta was arrested for theft of a Toyota 4Runner in Henry County, Georgia on Wednesday.
According to the Henry Herald , Garcon who is also the General Coordinator of Ayiti Demain, a Haitian Diaspora benevolence organization, has no apparent criminal history and was charged with theft by conversion.
Police say, Garcon borrowed a 2007 Toyota 4Runner valued at $12,000 and refused to return it. Garcon allegedly told the vehicle owner that he would return it "on his time".
Chief Magistrate Robert Godwin reduced Garcon's bond from $24,000 to $5,000.