Close Gallery
M. Ceara H. File.
Zoom Picture

Santo Domingo.- As expected, Dominican Republic’s major opposition party (PRD) railed against president Leonel Fernandez’s statements Tuesday night that the country’s tax hole and that the burden is 13%, affirming that it averaged 21% during his term, 2008 to 2012.

The PRD Economic Commission said Fernandez manipulated statistics during his televised speech in which he blamed the country's fiscal deficit on the tax burden, comparing Dominican Republic with developed nations, but failed to mention per capita income, which Commission president Arturo Martinez Moya notes that it’s much lower here.

In a press conference the PRD leader also denied that the RD$49.0 billion transfer to the Central Bank stemmed from the 2003 banking crisis and instead attributed it o the debt accumulated during Fernández’s administrations, from 2005 to 2012 .

Another economist

Miguel Ceara Hatton, an economist also linked to the PRD, accused Fernandez of violating the Constitution, and the laws of the Treasury, the Budget, Government Purchases and Credit, during his previous administration n, with the aggravation of the overvalued public works.

Ceara questioned Fernandez's assertion that the government’s current deficit of RD$187.0 billion isn’t the result of fraud or crime during the past administration.

The economist added that a 40% jump in public spending should spark much more dynamics and greater economy impact. "Where did that money go? Is it possible to inject 150 billion pesos to the economy in a single shot, and isn’t felt?"

Share / Recommend this article: FacebookFacebook Digg thisDigg this del.icio.usdel.icio.us TechnoratiTechnorati YahooYahoo Facebook
COMMENTS
66 comment(s)
Written by: juanb, 14 Nov 2012 12:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic


Neither party has the right to claim to work for the good of the country.

The both only work for the good of their own pockets. Nothing else.
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 12:20 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Where did that money go?"


That is the question that only a FORENSIC Financial Investigation can answer, as Little Rickey and josean have come to agree on and Lie-onel and IRS Atbey are avoiding like the Plague!


Written by: juanb, 14 Nov 2012 12:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic

To whom was LF speaking last night?

His party members know the truth as do the opposition party members. They know that he mismanaged the economy into the crapper through incompetence, permissiveness and vanity.

Who doesn't know this? Those who don't know must have been his target audience. Unfortunately they were too busy waiting on line to get tickets to see Manny's return to the Aguilas and playing dominos.
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

jb,

Last night i was watching CNN International in Spanish a commentator by the name of Juan Carlos Hidalgo gave an analysis of Narco-Lie-onel and the PLD that every Dominican in the world should listen to.

It was amassing how precise and knowledgeable the man was of Lie-onel and the Shenanigans of the PLD as well as their manipulation of economic statistics!

It is obvious they are being watched by the world and they aren’t fooling anybody other than IRS Atabey and the other Clapping PURPLE Seals here at DT!



Written by: JHCL2016, 14 Nov 2012 12:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!

That's the guy who got together with the jauria perruna pphachuna paparazzi gang of "reporters"...
cato-at-liberty.org/new-president-in-the-dominican-republic-change-or-more-of-the-same/

Jejeje, rugio el Leon y ya no saben que hacer!


Stop whining, coge pa'lante y manos a la obra!

8-)

Danilo es Presidente, Leonel 2016!
JHCL2016@yahoo.com / PLD.NEPA@gmail.com
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Thanks for the Link Manito:

New President in the Dominican Republic: Change or More of the Same?

by Juan Carlos Hidalgo

Danilo Medina of the incumbent Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) beat former president Hipólito Mejía yesterday to become the new president of the Dominican Republic.

The vote was marred by some irregularities such as the use of state resources in favor of Medina, which have been confirmed by the electoral observers of the Organization of American States (OAS). However, former Uruguayan president Tabaré Vázquez, head of the OAS delegation, said that the number of irregularities didn’t affect the outcome of the vote. And Medina’s margin of victory (51.2% versus Mejía’s 46.9%) was well within what the polls predicted in the weeks ahead of the election.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

However, the vote irregularities are a painful reminder of the biggest problems that beset the Dominican Republic: corruption and political patronage. The DR ranks 129 out of 182 in the Transparency International index on corruption. According to the World Economic Forum, corruption is the most problematic factor for doing business in the country. The Dominican government is a machine of dispensing favors and political patronage to supporters. For example, the departing administration of president Leonel Fernández has 334 vice ministers distributed among 20 cabinet ministries. The Ministry of Agriculture has 37 vice ministers, Public Health has 34. Each vice minister enjoys a nice salary plus benefits such as a discretionary credit card, travel expenses, car with a chauffeur, staff, etc. The Dominican Foreign Service boasts 113 ambassadors and 1,163 diplomats despite having representation in only 54 countries and 6 international organisms.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

The big question then is whether president-elect Medina will break with the past or be more of the same. He comes under the shadow of president Leonel Fernández, who has been in power for 12 of the last 16 years. Medina was twice Fernández’s Secretary of State (equivalent to Chief of Staff), however, he challenged the president in the PLD primaries of 2007 (and eventually was defeated), establishing a reputation of independence from the current president. On the other hand, his vice-presidential candidate is Margarita Cedeño, Leonel Fernández’s wife and current first lady. Medina’s campaign slogan was: “Continue what’s good, change what’s wrong, do what’s never been tried before.”

I spent a week in the Dominican Republic last March on the invitation of the local free market think tank CREES and I could perceive the dissatisfaction that most Dominicans feel towards their political class.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:29 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

An exiled Venezuelan friend even drew parallels between the DR today and his country back in the late 1990’s, when a disaffected Venezuelan population, sick of their corrupted politicians, chose an outsider as president. No strongman appears in the Dominican horizon, though. But there’s an increased feeling that the country needs a dramatic cut from its present.

Perhaps the sentiment is best expressed in the song “Apaga y Vamonos” (meaning something like, “the last one to leave turn off the light”) by renowned Dominican singer Juan Luis Guerra that says:

The same promise, the same CD
The same lie and the same coffee
The same speech and the same cliché
History recycled, all we have is faith

The last one to leave turn off the light
The good men, where are they?

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

A line from an Open Lettr to Daint Danilo

"Oiga, señor Presidente, los embustes de Leonel encojonan. No engañan a nadie. Lo de anoche fue otra metida de pata."


Carta al Presidente Danilo MedinaCarta al Presidente Danilo Medina



Distinguido Presidente Danilo Medina:

Por un momento, he sentido el impulso de dirigirme a usted, dejando a un lado los justificados sarcasmos –que recuperaré a la mayor brevedad, porque son los lentes que tienen la graduación más precisa- y deshaciéndome por completo de cualquier hervor corrosivo, aunque este sea uno de los pocos hábitats de la verdad, solo para contarle con palabras sencillas, sentidas, transparentes y desnudas, cómo se siente la gente que está participando en las protestas.

Y que va a seguir protestando, Presidente Medina. Esta vez lo hará.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

No sé cómo explicarle esa parte, porque yo nunca había visto algo así. Pero es como si se les hubiera activado un insospechado reloj por dentro. No es el relojito de las campañas, ni ese del frenesí que les enganchan para angurriar cajitas y fundas. Es otra cosa.

Donde hace seis meses se alcanzaba a ver un rebaño de borregos, ahora lo que hay es un panal de abejas, laboriosas, decididas, tranquilas, pero no calladas y dedicadas –a pesar de su malestar- a fabricar sus panales y su miel, pero que se niegan a salir a pastar y a comer más yerba.

Se parece a lo que ocurre en la película, protagonizada por Robert De Niro, Awakenings (Despertares), en la que un grupo de pacientes, en estado catatónico, de repente “despierta” y hace una vida.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:55 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

El civismo dominicano, que estaba catatónico, ha despertado, ejerciendo su ciudadanía, recuperando la voz y sacudiéndose el ninguneo y del aguante. Es como si hubiera reparado definitivamente en que no se puede pasar por alto lo que se lleva montado en el pescuezo.

La gente que va a esas protestas, Señor Presidente, se siente terriblemente lastimada, pisoteada, violada, ignorada y burlada. Se siente subestimada y tratada como si fuera idiota.

Oiga, señor Presidente, los embustes de Leonel encojonan. No engañan a nadie. Lo de anoche fue otra metida de pata.

A esta altura, Presidente Medina, supongo que usted sabe que todo ha sido un error tras otro. Cada vez peor, incluyendo su inoportuna salida para España.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

El país está crispado. Y con razón. Las acciones de ayer no allanaron el camino. Lo picaron, con lo que puede interpretarse como la inauguración formal de una tiranía, con una penosa Banda Morá, integrada por jóvenes, creo que hasta menores (de esos que la policía ejecuta como si fueran mimes y en contra de los que el Congreso legisla) contratados por Leonel, para salir a agredir y asaltar a personas, cuyos reclamos pacíficos son justos, son legítimos y deben ser escuchados.

El bocinerío de periodistas comprados no está generando simpatías, Presidente Medina. Crea animadversiones. Justificadas.

A menos que sea para resultar menos creíble o para confirmar las denuncias de clientelismo y corrupción, no ponga a periodistas designados como embajadores en el exterior, a hablar todos días sobre las probidad del gobierno, cuyas evidencias en contra, son ellos mismos.

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Quienes protestan no quieren tumbar el gobierno, como usted y el resto de su equipo bien saben, porque para algo deben servir todos sus fisgoneos ilegales que financia el gobierno, empezando por los que le paga a Frank Cabral, el único espía del mundo cuya identidad conocen todos los que son vigilados por él.

La gente que protesta, quiere que el gobierno funcione, señor Presidente. Que funcione!

Se siente agraviada, sobrecargada, rejodida, por la forma en que se lleva la administración pública, por el clientelismo, el nepotismo, la corrupción, señor Presidente.

Ya lo han explicado, pero se lo voy a repetir: la irritación no es solo hacia las administraciones –desastrosas, como usted sabe- del expresidente Fernández y cuyos defectos usted tuvo ocasión de describir –y padecer- en más de una oportunidad.

continued:



Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 1:59 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Es que la gente está jarta de mantener parásitos y ser despojada, de pagar tributos, sin ser retribuida.

Se siente menospreciada cuando le dicen que la quiebra de los bancos en el 2003, ha generado el hoyo fiscal del gobierno, pero no ha generado ningún hoyo en la opulencia de Félix Bautista, de de los altos funcionarios públicos y de los dirigentes de su partido

Las reformas que reclaman los que protestan son para hacérselas al gobierno –sea quien sea que lo presida- no a un partido, aunque al parecer, cada vez son menos en su organización, los que pueden distinguir entre una cosa y otra.

Y la queja por la impunidad masiva y aparatosa es válida. Cómo se van a detener los robos, si no se censuran?

continued:

Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 2:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Y cómo validar la justicia, si no puede llevar correctamente una acusación ni siquiera contra una acusado con tantas colas como Amable, que debió estar trancado hace 60 años, por cualquiera de todas las razones que sobran y no por la única que debía faltar: la retaliación política, justo en contraste con la apresurada exoneración de Leonel?

Presidente Medina, no está bien, y usted lo sabe mejor que cualquiera, el rumbo por el que está arreando el país Leonel Fernández, dueño de La Justicia, dueño de la prensa, dueño del Partido de la Liberación Dominicana, dueño de lo que son dueños Félix Bautista y sus asociados, dueño del país…si el país se deja.

Usted debe encontrar la forma de dar un paso atrás y comenzar de nuevo.

Usted tampoco va a salir ileso de una dictadura diseñada por Leonel, a menos que se vuelva tan insignificante que él acabe olvidando que usted existe.

Saludos deferentes.

Sara Pérez

acento.com

Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 2:18 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--



acento.com
Written by: stillhere, 14 Nov 2012 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Don Chipp broke away from the two party system and started he own party, they slogan.

"keep the bastards honest"..

The DR needs a bigger third option to keep the PLD, PRD (bastards) honest!!!
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 2:39 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Did you Guys Know Pinocchio was Born in DR?


The night in which Italy declared Villa Juana as the birthplace of Pinocchio

"On that night of Tuesday 13, while the speech went on air, two shadowy symbols of the Era of Trujillo took body:

1) Paid Voices shoutingGod and Leonel!

(2) While in front Funglode the night was long and the Thugs from the deceased, reappeared as if by magic, brought from Los Mina, at 200 pesos a head for assaulting demonstrators."

acento.com.do/index.php/news/23809/56/La-noche-en-que-Italia-declaro-a-Villa-Juana-como-cuna-de-Pinocho.html

Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 3:46 PM
From: United States
any living, breathing organism, with a brain, knows what happened. as the economist states, you cannot possibly inject that kind of money into an economy at the same time, without it being felt. not an economy this size. most of that money was wasted, stolen, or siphoned off. as Josean says, what is needed is for someone who understands Forensic Accounting to follow the money trail. feeble minds like Atabey, who do not understand these matters, are probably burning up their PCs, trying to get some answers from google. sycophants of the PLD cheered every time they read some horsecrap about the rate of economic growth, but do not understand that growth comes with a price, and not all growth is the same. Japan has had very slow growth, in terms of figures, for over a decade. that is called intertemporal saving, where the accent is on saving, and investing, rather than government spending and consumption. so Atabey will tell you that the DR economy is outperforming Japan
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 3:54 PM
From: United States
most of the money went towards rent seeking activity, and any economist can tell you that one day the market will take revenge on the rentiers. tons of money have been blown, and there is nothing to show for it but ill advised capital projects, which have proven to have very little bang for the buck. now the government is scrounging up loans to pay current expenditures,which should come from revenues, not credit. after the IMF deal is sealed, they will be going to the IADB next, and floating sovereign bond issues. it is going to get a LOT worse before it gets better, because the paquetazo is basically a consumer tax initiative, which is going to invite some really creative tax evasion schemes, and there are going to be severe shortfalls. do not be surprised if the government does not need another agreement with the IMF in two years.. this is not going to be pretty.
Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 4:24 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

The call of the year! The DR will in two years be negotiating with the IMF. Wow! Talk about putting it on the line, Dready!


I'll bet you it will be better than what's happened in J, dready.


As long as the government is allowed to move forward, without all these schemes by recalcitrant and die hard PRD/Communist provocateurs the country will rebound to better fiscal health.

Taxes have to be re-calibrated and capturing some of the black market economic activity will help. So too will be some of the portion attributable to rent seekers. DR has had a very loooooooooooooong era of Rent seekers going largely non-taxed. That's changing and will better serve the State and nation.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 4:31 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 4:24 PM
From: United States, NYC

The call of the year! The DR will in two years be negotiating with the IMF. Wow! Talk about putting it on the line, Dready!

i can put it on the line, because, unlike you, i understand the subject matter. i put my money where my mouth is, not like a coward and wimp, who is afraid to make any positive projection. i predicted the peso would be 39.75 by december, and i am right. when you learn something, you too will know how to look at trends and make projections. tiil then, stick to silly remarks, and copy and paste.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 4:32 PM
From: United States
opines professor Atabey

So too will be some of the portion attributable to rent seekers

such as?
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 4:35 PM
From: United States
more professorial observations from Dr Atabey


Taxes have to be re-calibrated and capturing some of the black market economic activity will help.

applying a quasi Laffer Curve to consumption taxes in the DR, on which side of the apex do you believe that the DR now sits?
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 4:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Oh, please Dr. Dread take it easy on IRS Atabey; the smell of fried Brains full of CACA is horrible!

Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 5:13 PM
From: United States
Josean, if you are referring to Atabey, that is not brains you smell burning. something else, maybe, but certainly not brains.
Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 6:53 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

dready,

As long as you don't go the Josea way with Lf, we be all right.


Can't stand the notion of you playing with a doll and pins in the loo!
Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 7:00 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 4:31 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 4:24 PM
From: United States, NYC

The call of the year! The DR will in two years be negotiating with the IMF. Wow! Talk about putting it on the line, Dready!

i can put it on the line, because, unlike you, i understand the subject matter. i put my money where my mouth is, not like a coward and wimp, who is afraid to make any positive projection. i predicted the peso would be 39.75 by december, and i am right. when you learn something, you too will know how to look at trends and make projections. tiil then, stick to silly remarks, and copy and paste."


Says my amigo from Jamaica:




"when you learn something, you too will know how to look at trends and make projections."



Like my market call, eh?

I see you want pay back for that other scalping: my market call that sent you hurling into shell.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 7:41 PM
From: United States
what market call are you referring to, Atabey?
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 7:45 PM
From: United States
hey, Atabey, when you give me the reference to this famous market call of yours, be a dear and tackle the two questions i posed above. thanks.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 7:47 PM
From: United States
the other scalping, says Atabey. as i told you, when i want competition, i choose worthy opponents.. you are not in my league. you just refuse to accept it.
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 7:53 PM
From: United States
Atabey, where are the answers to these questions i asked you months ago?

. while we are on the subject of your recent flavor of the month, FDI, please give me your take on the influx of FDI into the DR, and its efficacy, with the following issues as the focus of inquiry

1...give me a breakout of FDI, by economic sector

2...give me the opportunity costs associated with attracting said FDI to these shores

3..tell me if the FDI is market seeking, or resource seeking..

4...give me a relative breakout of debt equity swaps as a portion of FDI

5...Give me some information regarding the Crowd In effects , vis a vis foreign firms, and tyhe Crowd Out of local manufacturers

6..tell me what backward, and forward linkages have been developed, to enhance the performance of the local economy


7...tell me about the efficacy of technology transfer occasioned by the aforementioned FDI?
Written by: anthonyC, 14 Nov 2012 8:20 PM
From: United States



Hypocrisy has a home. It is called the voters of the Dominican Republic.
Written by: josean, 14 Nov 2012 8:29 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


And IDIOCY has a Mansion it's Called Alpha 66!



Written by: Atabey, 14 Nov 2012 8:42 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Josea "Jail-meat" Burra wait for 2016, when Guillermo will set you free. :)
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 8:55 PM
From: United States
the market call, please , Atabey.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 15 Nov 2012 12:35 AM
From: United States


josean"jail Meat"....:


I havent seen your photo in the protest yet..
Atabey and I were crazy looking for it..



You are becoming a traitor..Josie baby..you know that, right?
Written by: josean, 15 Nov 2012 7:16 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Coo, coo, coo, coo!

Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 7:57 AM
From: United States
says victory

I havent seen your photo in the protest yet..
Atabey and I were crazy looking for it..

actually, you and Atabey are just plain crazy.
Written by: stillhere, 15 Nov 2012 9:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
ohhhvictor,
"You are becoming a traitor..Josie baby..you know that, right?"

Questioning what government does is treason now?? mmmm??? Holding those in power accountable for their action is a being a "Traitor" ??
That is messed up !!!

How will this country move forward with your kind of thinking... How will things get better if those in power are not asked the hard questions and asked to explain why and how do they justify earning so much money, while asking the rest of the country to pay even more..

The world is changing.. you may need to look around, get out of your bubble before it implodes on you and find yourself on the wrong side of history...
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 10:16 AM
From: United States
stillhere quizzes victor

How will this country move forward with your kind of thinking...

what thinking? since when is victor capable of thinking?
Written by: JHCL2016, 15 Nov 2012 10:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!


Here are the true rebuluses del PPH

youtube.com/watch?v=su8mRrlgHZo

(*;')
Written by: josean, 15 Nov 2012 12:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Manito the PLD has no credibility anywhere in the world that's why we had to smokeout Lie-onel from his FUNGOLDE Cave to make a last ditch effort to come out and Lie their way out of this one!

Lie-onel is on the same path as Osama bin Laden making incoherent video tapes from a cave full PURPLE CLAPPING Seals!
Written by: ohhhvictor, 15 Nov 2012 12:24 PM
From: United States



No Joseano.. You are the one hiding in a cave like Bin laden, doing nothing but posting nonsense , from your Purple delusional world..
You are the one that have no credibility..

Remember that the people voted for Danilo..
Written by: josean, 15 Nov 2012 12:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Yeah and in less than 90 days they have Buyers Remorse!





Written by: stillhere, 15 Nov 2012 1:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Remember that the people voted for Danilo..

Yes they did... and each and every day you see and hear more and more of them regretting their chose!
It only cost the tax payer just under half a billion of their money to pay for just the PLD side of the election....
Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 6:16 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
The rules of the system are that every 4 years you get to pick who you think will do a better job. After doing so, you don't get to say: I want a do over! You must wait out the next 4 years and get another chance to vote for another candidate. Those are the rules. All the political parties, large and small must abide by that system or we end up with chaos and a lack of Constitutional order.

So wait for the next opportunity in 2016 and vote your hearts out for the candidate of your choice. But remember, win or lose, you don't get to change the rules mid-stream. A loyal opposition is crucial for democratic Constitutional order. You break with that fundamental arrangement and what you have is chaos and poverty.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 6:23 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: dreadlocks, 14 Nov 2012 8:55 PM
From: United States

the market call, please , Atabey."


How soon we forget, Dready!



It had to do with the wild swings, downward, that the markets took last year

Dow down more than 400 points as market plunge continues
August 4, 2011 | 11:37 am



The fog and cob-webs slowly....ever so slowly peel away that distant reminder... :)


Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 6:58 PM
From: United States
Idiot Atabey, show me the posting. show me what you said. show me what i said. that little nonsense you just put in your posting says nothing. show me your prediction, and show me mine. when you are done, try answering my questions from a few days ago. then the ones on inbound FDI.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 7:00 PM
From: United States
says the poor sabelotodo

It had to do with the wild swings, downward, that the markets took last year

wild swings, downward? if it is going in one direction, that is not a swing. a swing is when it falls, then rises. man, if i were to be paid for all the education i dispense to you for free, i would be a billionaire.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 7:01 PM
From: United States
says Professor Ignoramus

So wait for the next opportunity in 2016 and vote your hearts out for the candidate of your choice. But remember, win or lose, you don't get to change the rules mid-stream. A loyal opposition is crucial for democratic Constitutional order. You break with that fundamental arrangement and what you have is chaos and poverty

care to define 'loyal opposition"?
Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 9:22 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
The Principle of Loyal Opposition


Jeremy Waldron
New York University (NYU) - School of Law

The Principle of Loyal Opposition is key to the way in which modern democracies organize themselves. It is bound up with the existence of political parties, of which we need to take much more notice in political theory (as Nancy Rosenblum has argued) and with the significance of reasonable disagreement in politics. The principle is exhibited most clearly in systems that actually assign a role to an official Opposition party and an Opposition Leadership. Finally, the idea of "loyalty" in "loyal opposition." Loyalty to what?

The phrase should connote ... that as far as possible opposition parties are always to be regarded as loyal, no matter what policies or constitutional changes they favor."


Danilo Medina won the popular vote and he should be allowed to govern. If you don't like his program of government, nyet problemy, vote for someone else in 2016. :)
Written by: josean, 15 Nov 2012 9:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Here is some Loyal Oppostion from all three Major Parties!

Dominicans in New York are organizing a protest against the tax "paquetazo"/ TAX MUGGING

"We are breaking the tradition in politics and all three majority parties are calling to support the demonstration," said Jaime Valdes, representative of the Associations of Dominicans Students in New York and Professionals of art and culture.

NEW YORK, November15 (EFE).- A coalition of Dominican organizations today convened a protest for next Saturday in front of the Dominican Consulate in New York in repudiation to the fiscal reform that contemplates the tax rise known as "paquetazo"/ TAX MUGGING.

7dias.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=130351

Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 9:37 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 6:58 PM
From: United States
Idiot Atabey, show me the posting. show me what you said. show me what i said. that little nonsense you just put in your posting says nothing. show me your prediction, and show me mine. when you are done, try answering my questions from a few days ago. then the ones on inbound FDI."


Poor dready be angry these days. Do be Careful and take your meds. How's that magic 8 ball? :)


BTW, Dready. If you really have forgotten just ask the good general or some of the other guys that were part of the thread on the Forum section.


How soon we forget. Have you tried any memory meds for your condition? fitina memory pills?
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 11:12 PM
From: United States
i ask the king of rage googling to give me his definition of loyal opposition, so what does he do? he runs to see if he can dig up an article with a definition. so, he comes back with an article from Jeremey Waldron, which, incidentally, i have also read. what poor little sabelotodo fails to note is that the concept , in political science terms, is applicable to mature democracies. poor little know everything fails to make the connection. you see, he is the first to remind us that the DR is a bare bones, fledgling democracy, yet he tries to intertwine a concept which is not applicable. Atabey, if my sons ever found out that i waste time debating an idiot like you, they would stop talking to me for a year. as to the evidence i asked you for; why send me to Generoso. dig it up yourself, you lazy, useless jerkoff. Generoso has nothing to do with this.when you give me the answers to the questions i posed, i will try to find it, even though it does not exist.
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 11:14 PM
From: United States
you should hope it is not there. which idiot would admit to making a statement about "wild swings, downwards"? i know. the Atabey idiot. go back where you belong, to the forum, with the spammers. they contribute more to the discourse than you do.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 11:29 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

My my, you really are in a rage old goat. LOL

Calm down boy and behave. You know exactly the debate we had last Aug during the market crash.

You even wanted to put off my rather excellent prediction, one everyone agreed was on point, by suggesting that a 5th grader would have done the same. :)

I remember it fondly because I was leaving to take a plane out to New Mexico to visit friends. AC was riding you good in that thread. :) You then went on to open a thread of your own on the Crisis in the market.

Still don't remember? Take some fitina, and remember to tuck yourself in tightly or the bedbugs might get yea!
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 11:31 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

You even wanted to put off my rather excellent prediction, one everyone agreed was on point, by suggesting that a 5th grader would have done the same. :)

produce the thread, and refresh everyone's memories. secondly, if you did it, so can a fifth grader. do i take all of this to mean that you are avoiding my questions?
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 11:38 PM
From: United States
in August during the market crash? that's strange. this is one of the reports on the stock market for August ;

So far August has been fantastic. Yet, if recent stock market history has taught us anything, it is that we should be financially prepared in the event of a stock market crash. With fear being near record lows, now is the time to ensure we are not complacent by focusing on risk management strategies. Thus, protecting the profits we have accumulated in 2012.

incidentally, i have seen no record of a stock market crash in August. care to show us the press releases? you could be right. just prove it.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Nov 2012 11:42 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Dready, let it rest already. Everyone that participated in that debate, and still has a working memory, knows what occurred. I remember having someone PM me "to throw you a bone" Such was the devastation that thread caused to your fragile state at the time.


And can we like get past this current stage of hostility and let it go for a while?
Written by: dreadlocks, 15 Nov 2012 11:56 PM
From: United States
you started this crap. i have tried to be cordial, but you do not know how to, so i prefer to stay in a constant state of hostility. at least i know to watch my back, and not allow you to blindside me. as to you throwing me a bone; i am not the guy who believes he has a graduate degree in economics, and a bachelors in political science. i have the sheepskins to prove it. you cannot remember from one day to the next what you studied in college. throw me a bone and answer the questions i just asked you this week. make me happy.
Written by: stillhere, 16 Nov 2012 9:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey,
"The rules of the system are that every 4 years you get to pick who you think will do a better job. After doing so, you don't get to say: I want a do over! You must wait out the next 4 years and get another chance to vote for another candidate. Those are the rules."

ooohhhh "Those are the rules"... and what about holding those accountable for delivering on what they promised to do?? So the country has to just bend over and take it for four year until they get a chance to change things......??? They may be the rules for those living in a bubble and not willing to see beyond the lies, theft, waste and corruption.. If the people are not getting what was promised they yes they have the right to say so, to demand changes, to protest the fact that they are not getting what they voted for...
Written by: dreadlocks, 18 Nov 2012 12:52 PM
From: United States
stillhere, Atabey is a know nothing who has never heard of concepts such as votes of no confidence, populist referenda, and recall elections. heck, even Venezuela has recall elections in its constitution.
Written by: Atabey, 18 Nov 2012 1:54 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
" If the people are not getting what was promised they yes they have the right to say so, to demand changes, to protest the fact that they are not getting what they voted for..."

I concur, but peacefully and without the violence and melee-that only increases the possibilities for tragedies to happen.


dready, we don't have a parliamentary system of governance; but you know that....

DR has a Presidential system and four years are required for the next cycle to begin. Allow Medina, who's all for social inclusion of marginalized groups to have a fair chance to put his program for government and society. If people are Still.......................unsatisfied after his term in office, then they can vote for another candidate as per Constitutional Order.

chaos and violence will not bring prosperity to DR, but secure the withdrawal of confidence and investment flows into DR. Thus making any attempt at social inclusion WORSE off.


Give Medina a chance. He did win by popular
Written by: josean, 18 Nov 2012 2:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Give Medina a chance. He did win by popular"


So Did Richard Nixon in a Landslide, I may add, and he was forced to resign by the public’s pressure!

Saint Danilo had his chance and he reappoints the same crooks that got us into this Financial Crisis.

He abdicated his responsibility by allowing Narco-Lieno-nel to misrepresent the reality of what has caused the fiscal debacle and the so-called "need" for the TAX MUGGING!

He has loyalty only to the PLD Mafia and the Gang of 27. He has NO RESPECT for the Dominican Constitution or Loyalty to the Dominican People he is not fit to be President.

Nixon resigned because he tried to cover up his administrations involvement the third rate Watergate Burglary; Saint Danilo is trying to cover a Felony Robbery of Billions of Dollars, what should be his fate?


Post Your Comment | Not a member? Create your account | Lost your password?
Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed.
You must log in to post a comment:
Username Password