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Santo Domingo.– Armed Forces Minister Sigfrido Pared Pérez said the check posts in the border area will be reduced from 78 to 40, approximately.

He explained that the goal of this initiative is to add more equipment to optimize the service. Security cameras will be installed at each checkpoint in order to detect when a soldier does not meet the established screening procedures.

The officer explained that so far the Army has revamped five check points, with all tools soldiers need to do their job. The initiative will take place in all existing check points.

"The cameras will not be for the soldiers. They will monitor how soldier is proceeding," he pointed out.


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Written by: josean, 24 Nov 2012 11:05 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Carlos KKK Franco is going to be very upset with Saint Danilo's plan for unification!


Written by: BASTA, 24 Nov 2012 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
So the unused staff will be sent to police the Metro? NIce hat..
Written by: jarabacoa, 24 Nov 2012 12:34 PM
From: United States
Dr/haiti: welcome to the new republic.
Written by: juanb, 24 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic


Eliminate all of them. They don't work anyway. They are just a way for our underpaid law enforcement to supplement their incom.
Written by: matador, 24 Nov 2012 1:18 PM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
What a bunch of loosers and clowns, I never heard of a country that has a border to reduce its staff instead they increase it,,, Wow hold on thats Dominican Republic, no wonder less staff member more corruption, welcome to el paraiso,,,,el pais de nunca echar pa lante..
Written by: IloveDR, 24 Nov 2012 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
DR + haiti = end of the entire island. simple equation..
Written by: vacanos, 24 Nov 2012 4:38 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.


In other word WE ARE FUKK.

How hard it is to bring the same old system back under Balaguer and Trujillo when we actually had a border that divided both country? If that were to happens, the new govt will be called racist by the force behind the unification even by many of our own people.

Hipoburro's PRD abandoned the border in 2000 as if there was none. God knows what were to happen by now if Pena Gomez would had won in 1996. Probablyby now more Haitians than Dominicans in our own soil. When Leonel took over back again in 2004 he tries to do the right thing but by this time all the neglects from the previous govt under hipoburro empowered the ngo in the country and as soon as Leonel deported a few Haitians in 2004 all hell broke loose and they have been winning the war ever since. And Today we hear almost half of the checkpoint will be kaput.

Estos desgraciado, que no lloren como mujeres cuando no pudieron defender como hombres.
Written by: josean, 24 Nov 2012 5:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"the force behind the unification"

Lie-onel giving a Free University and Saint Danilo calls the Two Countries Siamese Twins!


Written by: Atabey, 24 Nov 2012 5:28 PM
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: vacanos,


In other word WE ARE FUKK.

How hard it is to bring the same old system back under Balaguer and Trujillo when we actually had a border that divided both country?"


You are wrong Vacano. You are still in denial as to the culpability of these two long term leaders of the DR in creating the mess we have today.

Trujillo USED HAITIAN WORKERS on his extensive Sugar ingenios, and BALAGUER did little to stem the flows while he was in office. Sure many Haitians-up until the 1970s-were kept inside the numerous Bateys across the DR, but it was just a matter of time before these people would spread out and seek opportunities outside the Bateys.

Where were the requirements to document each incoming worker? To restrict the Bateys to only Males? To force workers back across the border when the assignment ended?

Neither Trujjilo nor Balaguer ever took the necessary steps to truly Dominicanize the country's workforce. So this is their Frankenstein TOO!
Written by: CarlosFranco, 24 Nov 2012 5:34 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

People learn how to read: Our border security forces are simply becoming more efficient with the use of technology. Sorry dirty-haitians!
Written by: CarlosFranco, 24 Nov 2012 5:43 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn
Our soldiers will be top when they let a Haitian in after the dirtys pays a bribe to be in the only worthwhile land in the island.
Written by: vacanos, 24 Nov 2012 5:58 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Atabey
If it wasnt for Trujillo your first language would had been patua. That is a fact. If you dont know the history of your country. Before Trujillo the Haitians pretty much controlled everything from Naverrete, Santiago to the south all the way to Haiti. Atabey all the Haitian all the way to the 90's were in bateyes. I remember growing up in Santiago the only one we used to see were the one selling sweet peanut that came from bateyes. Balaguer was at his best in dealing with the Haitian problem. He call out the people that had an agenda against the country back in the 80's. A Haitian fly could not go thru the border without his permission. You know the time when soldiers were sent to the border as punishment. Now these new government without concience allowed to be lucrative post. You just have to follow the money with the border. All these new government their main purpose is money or to get richer back in the old days it was about nationalism.
Written by: josean, 24 Nov 2012 5:59 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



PLD+Corruption+Narco Lie-onel+Saint Danilo=UNIFICATION!


Written by: Atabey, 24 Nov 2012 6:07 PM
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Vacano,


"Estimates place the number of bateyes between 375 and 500."


Why did Trujillo and Balaguer ALLOW BATEYS ?

Written by: IloveDR, 24 Nov 2012 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I doubt a unification, we're more likely to unify with US then with haiti.. But even if it ever happen Dominicans won't allow this and a civil bloody war will erupt this will hopeful will be the end of mass movement of haitian invaders across the border.
Written by: guillermone, 24 Nov 2012 11:03 PM
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IloveDR-

I am sorry to bust your bubble, but unification has already begun and it is happeing in your very own eyes and you dont even know it. The process has started but in a very slow, gradual and subtle manner, where most don't even notice. When we finally wake up and see the consequences of a full annexation, it will take us all by surprise and too late to do anything about it.

The unification probably began with the death of Balaguer and it has been non-stop ever since. All of the presidents since have been accomplices, succumbing to international pressures, allowing things to proceed while everyone just stands there and look.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 24 Nov 2012 11:49 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Watch out, Valerio is hot!!!!! That's why I love this site; it is really hard to see who is the enemy or the friend.....I thought that Valerio was "tercio" de "Atabei"....jajajajajaj. La ignorancia no se improvise!!!!! jajajajajaj
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 25 Nov 2012 12:38 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Haitians need to stay on their side of the Island.!!!! I personally will bear arms to defend my Santa Barbara y la General Cabral......
Written by: PatDiamond, 25 Nov 2012 2:26 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Vacanos @ guillermone welcome to globalization a concept that was not in vogue during Trujillo & ballaguer time. If those who belong to the Bilderberg group feels this is what's in their interest oh well should have read the fine prints of those massive loans agreements before signing them.

BTW when Trujillo became a wealthy sugar plantation owner him self he finally understood the necessity of Haitian labor force in DR
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Nov 2012 6:51 AM
From: Australia
That's about 38 less opportunities for graft.
Written by: guillermone, 25 Nov 2012 11:26 AM
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@patdiamond-Cutting sugar cane was the only job Dominicans would not do under any circumstance and the importation of Haitian labor for harvest was the most cost effective way for the industry to operate. But Haitians were confined to the bateyes, not allowed to leave and mingle with the general population unless they had permission. Once harvest was over most were sent back to Haiti only to return the following year. This was done under the supervision of the Haitian gov't who got paid a price per head to continue with this sort of temporary workers program.

Unfortunately, after Trujillo was gone there was no one left who knew better how to successfully administer this program and it thus went haywire to create the Frankenstein we now have today. Balaguer had it somewhat under control, but up until his death the flood gates were left wide open and private enterprise simply took advange of the circumstances and did what they do best, make money and forget the rest.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Nov 2012 1:21 PM
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Guillermone,

The rise of the Haitian labor force in the DR came about first via the demands of American investors back in the early 20th century. Until that time, Dominicans and sometimes Puerto Ricans, along with part timers from the small British colonies nearest DR would cut the sugar cane. I believe having read that Dominicans demanded something like 25 more cents per day over Haitians workers, and the foreign owners would not budge. The American investors had grand plans to use Haitians across the Caribbean Basin, particularly inn Cuba, were they sent 20,000 Haitian laborers to cut sugar cane.

So the hard work of sugar cane cutting was Dominicanized before the advent of the American presence.

Trujillo had an opportunity to again Dominicanize the various labor inputs of the national economy but saw the greater profit margins from using Haitian laborers and decided that better more profits for him then national labor sovereignty of production for the nation.
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2012 1:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Now of course Lie-onel in the last 8 years did nothing to deal with the illegal labor immigration so his “ greater GRAFT Margins” in building the USELESS METRO would not be affected!

Nor in the building of the NARCO Towers of his International Drug Dealing Associates!


Written by: Atabey, 25 Nov 2012 1:31 PM
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Ingle23,

Even tercios can have disagreements.
Written by: guillermone, 25 Nov 2012 4:32 PM
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"I believe having read that Dominicans demanded something like 25 more cents per day over Haitians workers, and the foreign owners would not budge."

Yes I read that once before but I did and still do not believe it.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Nov 2012 7:03 PM
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"For example, agents from the United Fruit Company and General Sugar came to Haiti in the mid 1920s, and induced 20,000 Haitians to migrate to Cuba for seasonal work at a dollar a day." Hans Schmid, The Occupation of Haiti: 1925-1934 New Brunswick, 1971, p.171.


But what about the Dominican Republic!, you might be thinking at this moment.

"In 1884-according to contemporary observer Eugene Maria Hostos-there were 6,000 workers on the Dominican sugar plantations. Of these 5, 500 were Dominican nationals, and 500 were unspecified foreigners. they were most probably from the British indies, the first of the so-called Cocolos who were to provide the bulk of migrant labour over the next 30 years." cited in Patrick E. Bryan, "The Question of Labour in the Sugar Industry of the Dominican Republic in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries", in Moreno Franginals, op.cit., p.239.

Written by: Atabey, 25 Nov 2012 7:11 PM
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The single greatest reason for why Dominicans abandoned the sugar fields was the importation of far cheaper laborers form the British Indies and ultimately the source of the cheapest labor of all: Haitian.


Written by: RoyStone, 25 Nov 2012 7:17 PM
From: Australia
Securing the country's boarder with Haiti, and stopping the country being used as a Colombian cocaine-conduit to the 1st world are the only legitimate, necessary objectives of the Dominican military, and it has failed miserably at both, Instead they have selling-out their country for material gain while decorating themselves with phony ribbons.
Written by: guillermone, 25 Nov 2012 7:21 PM
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I agreed Roy Stone...........totally and absolutely correct...........!
Written by: Atabey, 25 Nov 2012 7:24 PM
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Written by: RoyStone, 25 Nov 2012 7:17 PM
From: Australia

Securing the country's boarder with Haiti, and stopping the country being used as a Colombian cocaine-conduit to the 1st world are the only legitimate, necessary objectives of the Dominican military, and it has failed miserably at both, Instead they have selling-out their country for material gain while decorating themselves with phony ribbons."



I agree.


Don't forget the "plumes" Roy.
Written by: drzleader94, 26 Nov 2012 10:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
yooo deadass if they unified the Island we gonna start war i wont let los padre de la patrias work to go in wain I would not want my beautiful country loose its independence and the United States need to stay out of our buisness i wish our damngoverment wasnt so hungry for money k viva la independencia Dominicana
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 12:21 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Atabey
"Estimates place the number of bateyes between 375 and 500."
Why did Trujillo and Balaguer ALLOW BATEYS ?"

I had this conversation with you before as I stated to you the same thing Guille said that if there is one thing Dominicans will not do is to work cutting canes. I also explained to you that you did not know at the time that it was the American that brough the HAitians to work in the sugar field to DR to pay for the debt.

Balaguer was a master in dealing with our Hatian's problem. Try to read Balaguer's "La isla alrevez." Even though the time were changing he kept them at bay. In the 80's for crying out loud he was writing article from the insitutution that had this agenda against DR. The problem arise with these new liberals government with zero once of nationalism took over. That has been the problem since the mid 90's.

Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 12:30 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

PatDiamond "@Vacanos @ guillermone welcome to globalization a concept that was not in vogue during Trujillo & ballaguer time. If those who belong to the Bilderberg group feels this is what's in their interest oh well should have read the fine prints of those massive loans agreements before signing them.BTW when Trujillo became a wealthy sugar plantation owner him self he finally understood the necessity of Haitian labor force in DR"

Not true, you didn't know the man's policy or what driven him to make such a big assesment about him. Back in the early 90's the DR number one importer/exporter and biggest debt was the USA. Bill Cinton put all kind of pressure to Balaguer to open the border and build over 20 refugee camps. Balaguer answer to him was to militarize the border to not let a single Haitian cross over. Bill Clinton had to send and keep the Haitians in Guantanamo. Money was not or what other people says about him was not his motivation, power and his nationalism were..
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 1:03 PM
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Vacano,

I know far more than most Dominicans HOW & WHY the Haitian laborers became an indispensable part of the sugar equation in DR.

You have not departed from the erroneous understanding concerning Trujillo and Balaguer's culpability over this issue. Both leaders never were able to reconcile the contradictory objectives regarding Haitian labor:

To wit:

"Trujillo himself, at once mass murderer of Haitians and trafficker in Haitian labour embodied the essential paradox of Dominican nationalism that has prevailed until this day. "Dominicanisation" of society, and the quest for pliant and cheap labour force, were contradictory objectives that could not easily be reconciled." Roger Plant, The Haitian Debacle, p.59.


As for your contention that Dominicans would not do sugar cane cutting as a way of life, the comments from Hostos should suffice, but their are others--Dominicans--who agree with: If wages were higher and conditions better, Dominicans would do the work.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 1:19 PM
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The duplicitous policies pursued by both Trujillo and Balaguer cemented-contradictory as it may appear from such ardent nationalists leaders-the use and availability of the cheap and pliant labor force from the neighboring republic of Haiti. And now this Frankenstein has morphed into a sizable, million plus, population that is involved in almost all facets of production in Dominican society.

The Bateys could never logically keep at bay their growing numbers- people that think they could are delusional.

What Trujillo and Balaguer could have done was move the nation-state away from heavy use of Haitian labor and truly Dominicanize the labor input in DR with nationals. Of course that would have meant paying nationals better wages/ improving working condition.

Strategical use of Haitian labor with strong but humane treatment could also have complimented Dominican labor. So both sides might have been better off. However, Substitution was the strategy that came to be.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 1:23 PM
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Unfortunately, Trujillo believed in enriching his purse to the maximum than to securing his supposedly nationalist credentials. Balaguer, less powerful-but not without possibilities-likewise showed no inclinations to seeing through a true "Dominicanization" of the sugar sector.


Today we Dominicans are reaping what these leaders planted decades ago: their erroneous and devil's gambit and it ain't looking too good.


While it's historically accurate to blame foreigners-USA commercial interests- for starting this mess over 100 years ago, both Trujillo and Balaguer-along with those that came after, PRD and PLD! have not dealt with this issue. And that's putting it mildly.

The sowing is little--just a seed, a moment in time. The reaping is large, a harvest of bitter fruit.
Written by: calvoleon, 26 Nov 2012 1:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
$hit ... such a bad luck for the police and soldiers if there are cameras. How can they get their money from all the illegals now ????
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 5:24 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Atabey
You are very naive. Dominicans will not cut canes under any circumstances. That is a fact. Under Balaguer and Trujillo we had the few Haitians in the country in check. The border was secure and soldiers sent there was result of punishment. After both of them left power the bridge was broken. PLD and PRD were busier counting their money than trying to see if DR had in fact a border. That is a fact.

Take this for example back in the early 90's when Balaguer withstood all the pressure from the USA to open the border and build over 20 refugee camps. How long it would had taken Leonel or Hipoburro to cave in to the USA demand?

Papo no confunda Nacionalismos con apatia.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 5:50 PM
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Vacano,

Con toda sinceridad, I think you are the one being naive and very uncritical historically speaking.

In 1980 the National planning Department (ONAPLAN) was instructed to undertake a major survey on current trends and future perspectives on employment in the national sugar industry."

Why the paradox: High unemployment in DR and yet a great need to import workers, Haitian braceros, every year for the harvest?

"Its basic argument was that, whatever else might be done, Dominicans would only cut cane if salaries were far higher, and that salaries could only be higher if productivity was greater."

But this study was the 6th!!! advisory study or survey done since 1964 in DR!! And, "..it is comforting to know that almost all of our conclusions and recommendations have been anticipated in one or other of these studies, and thus confirm their seriousness, it is nevertheless disturbing that so few of them have been put into practice, so that the problems persist today"
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 5:54 PM
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What Trujillo and Balaguer along with the rest of the gang have created is a Frankenstein; and they all share the blame in my record book. Of course, those with the longest tenures, Trujillo and Balaguer, should share the greatest share of the blame. Especially since they were in a position of power unlike the current political machines and could have enacted more thoroughgoing and concrete measures during their reigns of power.

Simply thinking that the growing Haitian Frankenstein-since Trujillo-->Balagyer----> would happily and pliantly remain within the earmarked areas of the Bateys across the DR was naivety to the extreme power Vacano. And the decade since Balaguer's departure has only confirmed the theory.

Try as you or others may, the germination or seeds of our current maelstrom stem directly to those two political eras in our native DR. We owe to those two, Trujillo and Balaguer, the largest branches of bitter fruit.
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 6:21 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Atabey
You are the only one that had the audacity to states that Balaguer and Trujilulo was part in creating this chaos that exist today under these new governments. That speak volume to your statement. I mean you cannot be more far away from the truth. Dominicans works in the agriculture, construction, tourism, ect but not cutting canes. Don't go too far just asks anyone in your family about this and comes back and tell me what they tell you.
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 6:24 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

The Haitians problem was under control while Trujillo and Balaguer were in power. That is a fact. The problem started as soon as Leonel and Hipoburro took over. They turned the border into a lucrative business, forgot about it and allowed NGO to dictate the policy. Think about this the bastard of Trujillo was the first man in power that actually care for the border. That is a fact. Before him it was a complete inepttude that allowed the Haitians little by little from 1870's to gain control of a large part of our territory that made the Haiti's Gourde to be the official currency in those area.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 6:37 PM
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Then answer this:

Why did the number of Haitians in DR grow enormously under Trujillo-after his sugar dreams and more so under Balaguer?


You state that the Haitians were "controlled" under Trujillo and Balaguer. What you fail to acknowledge is that BOTH leaders NEVER put into action anything resembling a true "Dominicanization" of all labor input in our nation. Trujillo actually negotiated treaties with Haiti to get his hands on cheap and pliant braceros! How is that in keeping with a nationalist posture? And Balaguer did likewise, even after 6 studies on the issue warned about the problems associated with the paradox of high domestic Dominican unemployment and large yearly imported labor from Haiti.
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 7:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Do you remember when you used to say that Trujillo started the Bateyes? And I corrected you that it was the USA that implemented the bateyes to work in the sugar industry to pay for the debt. Do as I told you before and asks your family if they know a Dominicans that will work cutting canes. Trujillo was a nationalist. He understood all the foreign invasion because of the country mismanagement by previous leader. He understood that the sugar industry was a gold mine. He is the only head of state to ever pay for our external debt. The Haitians in bateyes were not many and kept in place. There is nothing wrong having Haitians in our country working as long it is regulated as Trujillo and Balaguer did. What you fail to understand my friend is the peaceful invasion abetted or encouraged by these unscrupulous liberal government over the last 20 years.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 7:16 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
TUNNELPURPLE RAT (ATABEI),
1. Stated/Dominicanization/fail (present or past)........just got tired of making corrections= GED: NEEDS TO RE-TRAIN, RE-TEST. Another bi-product of a failed state.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 7:20 PM
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Vacano,

Trujillo DID NOT START THE BATEYES, he worked in one, I believe, before becoming a military cadet!

I've stated on numerous occasions that the advent of LARGE SCALE Haitian workers DATES from the American commercial investors back some 100 years ago. So no such "new information" from you on the subject. I've read a few books on the subject so I'm more than reasonably versed in the matter.

You need to seriously read some good historical accounts on this topic compatriota.


If anything, others may look at our argument and see that it's possible to disagree AND still maintain composure on DT.




Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 7:24 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
read a few books on the subject soI'll more than versed in the matter. (no se entiende alfabeto funcional).....old bastard re-write the sentence!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Nov 2012 7:32 PM
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PatDiamond says: "@Vacanos @ guillermone welcome to globalization"

Globalization or not, what is certain though is that the current trend (as in, Haitians filling the lower end jobs while the lower class locals that used to fill them remain unemployed) isn't sustainable in the long run, specially if the developed countries that currently serve as a valve into which to release these unemployed lower class Dominicans (the US and Spain/EU) get tighter with their inmigration controls. The colliding combination of these two trends will either lead to revolution/civil war, ethnic warfare between both nations, or the worse case scenario, a combination of the two. The pie isn't big enough for the poor on both sides of the island as it currently is (specially when this pie is only concentrated on the triangle Santo Domingo/Santiago/Higuey, in other words, only 25% of the entire island), or in good ole Spanish "No hay cama pa' tanta gente".
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 7:38 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
JAJAJAJAJ OHHH arreglaste tu "geroglifico". Gracias Tunnel Rat!!....Valerio is doing the dirty work for me
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 7:45 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Atabey
You stated in previous article arguing with me that Trujillo was the originator in bringing Haitians into Bateyes to works in the sugar industry.

Dale mente pana.

Listen there is nothing wrong with bringing Haitians to our country to works when it is regulated as in the time of Trujillo and Balaguer. The problem as I stated before is having no border protection and treating it with apathy or indiference.

And of course we can disagree and still maintain composure.

Usted es uno de lo bueno aqui.
Written by: vacanos, 26 Nov 2012 7:46 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Calieboy you are trying to call for attention here since noone is willing to throw you a bone? LOL
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 7:51 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Vali (Grease Monkey)

I took you off of the black list; I can always put you back on it.....just tell me. I DO NOT ARGUE WITH IGNORANTS....JUST OBSERVE. Haven’t you noticed that.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 7:51 PM
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Para darle una lección a los demás en DT. Ojalá los demás sigan el ejemplo. Pero tengo mis dudas. :(
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 7:55 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Ignorant Troll/GM,

You need to get familiar with a subject/topic, before you can engage in a decent and constructive argument. Los dos estan hablando " burundangas". Two middle schoolers getting on each others throat.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 8:00 PM
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Para la persona q me acaba de mandar el PM: GM stands for " grease monkey, or mechanic"
Written by: Atabey, 26 Nov 2012 10:59 PM
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Ingle sin barrera........0123..............
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 11:25 PM
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Ignorant Troll/Tunnel Rat,

GED is free in NYC.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Nov 2012 11:43 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Ignorant Troll/Atabei says:

Trujillo DID NOT START THE BATEYES, he worked in one, I believe, before becoming a military cadet! . “military cadet” (usually the term applies to the military or law enforcement).

Burro sin silla: You do not start "bateyes" instead , how about build or construct.

PS: I HATE TO DO THIS, BECAUSE WE ALL MAKE MISTAKE, but this archaic A***s Hole is pretentious and arrogant.
Written by: josean, 27 Nov 2012 1:01 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"this archaic A***s Hole is pretentious and arrogant."


And that's an UNDERSTATEMENT!


Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 27 Nov 2012 8:14 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
j,

Do not worry, I can upgrade it. He is #1 on my list follow by AC/JHC(sharing the same spot) DK, and Victor; Valerio is on standby.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Nov 2012 8:38 AM
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BATEYES AS A CONCEPT? But truly, why even engage with someone who sides with a b*tch like J!

Go try and slay choo choo train Danny00.

Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 27 Nov 2012 8:44 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Concept?...Basura "proper usage" is the key
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 27 Nov 2012 8:46 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Tunnel rat/Ignorant troll,
I will teach you a very valuable lesson....
Written by: Atabey, 27 Nov 2012 8:54 AM
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Written by: Atabey, 27 Nov 2012 8:38 AM
From: United States, NYC


BATEYES AS A CONCEPT? But truly, why even engage with someone who sides with a b*tch like J!

Go try and slay choo choo train Danny00.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 27 Nov 2012 8:57 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Ignorant Troll,
It seems that you keep chasing your own old tail.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Nov 2012 9:09 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Go try and slay choo choo train Danny00. :)
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 27 Nov 2012 9:13 AM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Swimmer/Troll,
I just looked up your IP address; I should have known better: another section 8, squatter.
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