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Santo Domingo.- The second line of the Metro enters into service at 9:00 a.m. this morning. The line consists of 14 stations but the first phase will run from Duarte/Quinto Centenario avenues to Luperón/J.F. Kennedy avenues

According to Leonel Carrasco, Transport Office (OPRET) sub director, “the President’s instructions were to put it into operation and this is what we’re going to do.”

The opening ceremony takes place at Maria Montés station on Luperon and JFK avenues, and the trains will serve all stops until the Ramón Cáceres station on V Centenario and Duarte avenues.

As a Christmas and New Year gift, the government has announced that for nine days, from today until January 1st, citizens can ride Line 2 free of charge.

According to estimates, some 135,000 people will travel on the Duarte corridor each day, and Opret hopes that 80% of that total will use it in the first phase.

Carrasco said that the new line has 15 trains with 45 cars that will depart every 4 to 5 minutes. More than 300 employees have been contracted to work on the second line of the Metro, including 30 drivers - 15 men and 15 women.

Line 2 will run from 9:00 a.m. until 10 p.m. On public holidays like December 25th and 31st it will stop running at 8:00 p.m. Commuters can change from one line to the other at the Juan Pablo Duarte station on Máximo Gómez and John F. Kennedy avenues.

The other stops are on Núñez de Cáceres, Doctor Defilló, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln and Lope de Vega avenues, as well as on Ortega y Gasset, San Martín, Josefa Brea, Albert Thomas and Francisco del Rosario Sánchez avenues.

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184 comment(s)
Written by: dreamkiller, 24 Dec 2012 8:43 AM
From: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Fighting Joseans lunacy .Stop Guillermo the commie thief in 2016
Bring the pompous wind bag Dread with you
Written by: Atabey, 24 Dec 2012 9:08 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Leave that caca-salami sandwich at home Joseana.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 9:38 AM
From: United States
pity you cannot ride, dreamkiller. no pets allowed.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 9:41 AM
From: United States
well, well....look what the Christmas wind blew in...Professor Atabey. i guess he is on his way to distribute copies of his THESIS. HO, HO , HO!!! or is it HO, HUM?
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 9:43 AM
From: United States
hey, Atabey, which Yuletide Carol will you be singing this year? The Taxman, by the Beatles?
Written by: Atabey, 24 Dec 2012 10:10 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Dready,

Take out some of those coals you have collected over the years and heat up that tall glass of hot tea. LOL

Have a Marry Christmas old chap. Next year-as always- promises to bring more fightin' for survival from your side of the woods. LOL

I promise to get a new whip, the old one has taken a beating giving you some lessons during 2012.

:)
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 10:20 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


That's the One and 1/2 METRO USELESS line it was cut back to pay for Narco-Lie-onel's Retirement Fund!!


Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 24 Dec 2012 10:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Where's Haitian dannypiti when you need 'em?

Choo choo all aboard to the border.
Written by: jarabacoa, 24 Dec 2012 11:26 AM
From: United States
Palante all the way!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:33 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Palante all the way!"


To NO-WHERE!


Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 11:51 AM
From: United States
Second line of the metro?


My Gosh, if we would take josie's ano and Dready advise we would be riding a donkey.

Thanks God PLD for the progress!

Only with Leonel we can achieve such accomplishment!

Leonel 2016-2020
Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 12:03 PM
From: United States
..changing the topic again josie's Ano?
A ride to the progress anyone?

Leonel y margot 2016-2020

Written by: JHCL2016, 24 Dec 2012 12:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!


Todo y solo gracias a Leonel A. Fernandez, Danilo Medina, y el PLD!


¡Pa'lante y Manos a la obra!

8-)

Danilo es Presidente, Leonel 2016!
JHCL2016@yahoo.com / PLD.NEPA@gmail.com
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 12:34 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Merry Christmas METRO MANIACS!


Narco-Lie-onel is Thrown Under the METRO!


"Danilo Medina will dine at home on Christmas eve because he is a DIFFRENT type of President, says Marchena"

In other words not a OSTENTATIOUS BSer like Lie-onel and his Bourgeois Wife!


"Danilo Medina cenará en su casa porque es un presidente diferente, dice Marchena"


noticiassin.com/2012/12/danilo-medina-cenara-en-su-casa-porque-es-un-presidente-diferente-dice-marchena/

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 1:25 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Well, well..!! Another, (of six lines), has been built ! This (useless) transport system will cost the public a whopping US$0.50 cents per person, per ride. Gosh, too much! I'd rather pay $US6.00 dollars per gallon of gas and be stuck in traffic for hours inhaling fumes!
That's about $5.50 I'd rather contribute to Chavez's cancer treatment. We don't need no freaking subway. That's money that could have been given to people in order to help pay their fuel bill!

Choo, choo, all aboard the useless train to nowhere!
Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 1:32 PM
From: United States

I know for sure that Dready and Josie's Ano will be the first riding the metro disguised as always!

Welcome to the progress everyone!

It takes a visionary to make it happens!
Thanks Leonel and Danilo!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 1:33 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Only HALF a line to NO-WHERE to be accurate!

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 2:13 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

In my book, HALF is better than NONE!.. Mr. Josean, you're in serious need of psychiatric help when nothing seems to be good enought for you.
This why I get so freaking angry with the likes of you.... Nothing could possibly be positive and good in your world!

The same goes for you clones, Danny00000 Cerote., Basta, and Juan bobo.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 2:24 PM
From: United States

I agree..with ron evane..
do you know how many miles are from Luperon to the Duarte?
Dude , that 's a LOOOONG distance!..Even in a car it will take you a LONG tiome!
You are basically crossing 3/4 of santo Domingo !

out of politics ..honor a quien honor merece..Eso es lo que yo ,lamo modernioxzacion del transporte!
Big accomplishment from PLD

Excellent job!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 2:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"CDN Reports that the Municipal government is unable to Pay this Month’s Pension Payments because the Central Government has not Transferred Funds into its account."

Thousands of pensioners will not have a Merry Christmas or even a Christmas dinner due to the inefficiency of the PLD!


Was the Money Diverted to the New Half Line of the USELESS METRO?

Written by: LVRod, 24 Dec 2012 2:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That means progress and modernity. The eficient comunication sistem is one of the corner stons of the devepment of the nations. The greate Leonel Fernandez`s vision is only compear with the magnifecent public construccions of Rom in the ternureof the mannificent emperator Adriano.
Thank You Dr Leonel Fernandez for your contributions.
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 2:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Another Candidate for a Remedial English Course; unless of course the Rod went into the Brain!

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 3:06 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

A Blast from the METRO'S PAST!

"Santo Domingo Metro: big dream, few riders"

Santo Domingo. - “What began with a dream is today a reality” was one of the official mottos used in the ads to inaugurate the Santo Domingo Metro, whose original projection was of 200,000 passengers daily.

But in reality the modern, fast, mass transit system, with a RD$20 fare for the 20 minute ride on the entire North-South route linking the populated barrio Villa Notch with downtown La Feria has come up short.

Also part of president Leonel Fernandez’s dream of a “Little New York” in his first term in office, it barely mobilizes an average of 50,643 passengers daily.

Compared with the estimated 200,000 when the project was designed, the figure is just 25% of the expected flow. And compared with the new and trimmed projection of 175,000 passengers daily disclosed when inaugurated, then it’s only 29%.

continued:

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 3:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

The main blame for the Metro’s low demand is the lack of feeder routes and to the fact that the mega project was built before structuring Santo Domingo’s commuter transport.

According to Hamlet Herman, the first director and founder of the Metropolitan Transit Authority (AMET), the Metro was built like a well, begun from above.

dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2009/9/7/33163/Santo-Domingo-Metro-big-dream-few-riders

Written by: ElSuavecito, 24 Dec 2012 3:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros

Great news for everyone who wants to breathe healthier air!
Written by: CarlosFranco, 24 Dec 2012 3:15 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

Another Dominican victory and another disappointment for Josean... JJAJAJJAJAJA



Feliz Navidad mis Hermanos!!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 3:15 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

And Speaking of Feeder Routes:


Another METRO Blast from the PAST!


Anybody seen the Missing 100 Buses or at least 50? Or at least the MONEY!


"Santo Domingo’s subway gets 50 “metro buses”

Santo Domingo. – Of a total of 100 commuter buses acquired to provide service for Santo Domingo’s Metro (subway), 50 are already in the country, revealed Transport Reform Office (Opret) assistant director Leonel Carrasco, quoted by eldia.com.do.

The 35-passenger vehicles are already in the shops for checks and Opret trains the drivers on how to maintain the Metro’s quality standards

The Hyundai buses will be used in the Metro’s first line, from the city of Villa Mella and other towns in the north, to the Centro de los Heroes (La Feria) in the south, as part of a pilot plan being developed, the official said.

Carrasco said commuters would access the service, to be tentatively called “metrobus,” by using a “swipe” card or ticket “without major inconvenience.”

continued:
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 3:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2012/4/23/43391/Santo-Domingos-subway-gets-50-metro-buses

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 3:51 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Your political agenda won't stop progress. When the going gets tough and can't find answers, you dig chit up to compensate for lack of crap to vomit.
For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can be so negative about everything. ..Ever since I've been posting, I have not seen ONE single positive comment from you, and clones!

I can't understand how you can be so deluded to think, your boy, Guillermo Moreno can do all those things you've been clamoring for, or any better than the present government. What proof do you have that this guy will magically solve all our problems in four, or even eight years? You don't!
You're assuming, and assuming makes you an ass!

Mr. Josean, when was the last time you were here? Have you ever ridden the subway? Or taken a car ride the length that this metro serves? Your mission in life is to irritate with your constant whining. You're the proverbial cancer that afflicts every good and positive event made for the good of the people.
Written by: Arcangel96, 24 Dec 2012 3:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,

The following link contains a picture of the current location of the buses. (post 253)

skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=98425444#post98425444

They are located on the Dominican Naval Base "27 de Febrero"
Written by: BASTA, 24 Dec 2012 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
Leonel y margot 2016-2020== AIDS

josean,= 4**** 3+++ + merry xmas

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 4:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Your political agenda won't stop progress."

What Progress?

And your Political Agenda to be an Apologist for these Criminal Narcos Masquerading as PURPLE Politicians, is the real Cancer than has befalling this Wonderful Piece of Land since 1492!

Your Type is well Document Throughout our History, from Pedro Santana to Joaquin Balaguer and the other Criminal Apologist and Supporters of Trujillo!

Many of whom are in the current good graces of the PLD, if not outright exercising authority in the Government, like “BICHO” Castillo and Euclides Gutiérrez Félix, just to name two of the most easily recognizable neo-Fascist.

"For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can be so negative about everything. ..'

For the life of me I can't understand how someone can be so naïve and gullible to government Propaganda!

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 4:36 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Written by: ElSuavecito, 24 Dec 2012 3:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros

Great news for everyone who wants to breathe healthier air!"


I could understand why you need clean Air in Santiago:


“My Beloved Santiago: Today dirty and messy (Negro Veras complains)”

“Mi Santiago querido: Hoy sucio y desordenado (Denuncia de Negro Veras)”

“SANTIAGO, República Dominicana.- Sin ser localista, regionalista, chauvinista ni nada que se parezca, Ramón Antonio Negro Veras, ha reflexionado sobre un Santiago de los Caballeros hoy afectado por la basura, el desorden y el olvido.”

acento.com.do/index.php/news/28061/56/Mi-Santiago-querido-Hoy-sucio-y-desordenado-Denuncia-de-Negro-Veras.html

Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 5:26 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

I promise to get a new whip, the old one has taken a beating giving you some lessons during 2012.

while you are at it, buy yourself a new pair of running shoes. you already wore the current pair out.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 5:26 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

I promise to get a new whip, the old one has taken a beating giving you some lessons during 2012.

while you are at it, buy yourself a new pair of running shoes. you already wore the current pair out.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 5:27 PM
From: United States
says victor

My Gosh, if we would take josie's ano and Dready advise we would be riding a donkey.


you mean you don't ride a donkey?
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Dec 2012 5:31 PM
From: Australia
Great news!

Now on with line 3 and also a surface passenger and freight line to Santiago.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 5:43 PM
From: United States
freight line will never happen, Roy. not in your lifetime, nor mine. truckers union would never allow it.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Dec 2012 5:49 PM
From: Australia
I prefer to be an optimists, Dready, however in this case, I must concede the pessimists have a much stronger case.

By the way, do you celebrate Boxing Day?
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 5:51 PM
From: United States
Roy, i have long since stopped celebrating ANY holiday. i do not even celebrate my birthday.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 6:01 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"What Progress? And your Political Agenda to be an Apologist for these Criminal Narcos Masquerading as PURPLE Politicians, is the real Cancer than has befalling this Wonderful Piece of Land"

And you don't see any progress, Josean?..Well, that clearly proves my point. I've been around much longer than you have, and I've seen Our land prosper tremendously. I remember Trujillo's Balaguer's, and Hipolito's era, and none of then have made as much difference in the economy, and relative peace as that we enjoy today.

Sir, in your deluded mind, you think anyone else but the PLD will make a huge difference in bringing our nation up to standards. OK, if you say so.
I"m not a partisan of anyone who does not live up to their promise. I thought Leo was fine, but fooled me into thinking he was a good president. Now I see he wasn't. I'll give you that.
But my point is that whoever's in power should be criticized for wrongdoing and praised for good deeds. You find nothing good in ANYTHING!
Written by: Ricardolito, 24 Dec 2012 6:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
This second line is only part completed but when it finally goes past Carrefors and on to Villa Altigracia in one direction and then across the river Ozama and on to Mega centro and down to las Americas then the east West and the north south metros will be even better. I do not know if we should have had sky trains instead of metros ,,that may have been cheaper but much more ugly but I do know that in a city of close to 5 million people , a modern public transport system is needed . The need for buses to feed into the metro is essential and actually you do see many buses stopping at the Maximo Gomez and Kennedy corner and people then using the metro..
I think that the next line should link up all the bus stations around Ave Duarte.There are more than a dozen individual stations that should all be amalgamated into a modern bus and metro interchange
Written by: Ricardolito, 24 Dec 2012 6:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
Roy, as you probably know the traditional boxing day which many years ago was the day for giving presents is celebrated in most Roman Catholic countries as Epiphany or El dia de Tres Reyes , three kings. In the DR especially ,the family dinner on Christmas eve is the main event of Christmas rather than the Christmas Day feasts you are used to.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 6:17 PM
From: United States
josean replies to LVRod




Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 2:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Another Candidate for a Remedial English Course; unless of course the Rod went into the Brain!

josean, sometimes you have to know which fights to avoid. why would you respond to a guy who obviously cannot spell his own name? sometimes you have to save your bullets for worthwhile targets. when you lie in bed tonight, ponder again if you think a guy like that really rises to the level where people should discourse with him.



Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 6:21 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"freight line will never happen, Roy. not in your lifetime, nor mine. truckers union would never allow it.

I beg to differ, Dread.

The trucker's union can and will be broken! NOTHING can stop progress. The economy will grow exponentially and the necessity for rail service will make itself a priority for agricultural and manufactured goods being shipped out of sea ports in the north and south. As petroleum fuels become more expensive, cheaper rail freight costs, will win the day.

I believe, by the end of Medina's first term, and beginning of the next, we will at least, have a preliminary plan on the engineering phase of this project. I give it another four, five years before this train becomes a reality. Mark my words!
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 6:30 PM
From: United States
delete
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 6:30 PM
From: United States
i said in my lifetime, Ron. not in the next twenty years. hey, the taxi unions scuttled the plans for a cruise ship port on POP. i do not ever underestimate the power of unions in this country.
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 7:38 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"ponder again if you think a guy like that really rises to the level where people should discourse with him."


Thank you for the Christmas Present Dr. Dread!

Although it would have better with a little Jamaican Sorrel!


Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 7:44 PM
From: United States
i can get sorrel at La Sirena. at least, i could. just not now, when i want it!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 7:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"i do not ever underestimate the power of unions in this country."

Dr. Dread I don't need to tell you that they are not unions in the classic sense of what we have come to know as unions.

They are Private Monopolies masquerading as Unions who will serve the highest bidder; they are no more unions than the Dominican Political Parties are Political Parties. These (Unions and Parties) are corporate clubs with very exclusive memberships. The great majority of their memberships are unfortunate brained washed A-Holes who kill each other over crumbs while the leaders all have political incestuous relationships dividing up the national treasury.

They are politically very useful for whichever groups of thieves are in power.


Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 8:02 PM
From: United States
i agree whole heartedly, josean. i have said here, for years, that there is no such thing as 'the opposition" in DR politics. there is one party. it is a single club, divided into the A team, and the B team. they take turns running the country. this facade of opposition is a joke. they are all friends, and hang out with each other on weekends. that is why nobody ever gets prosecuted for criminal acts. i would find it hard to lock up my long time buddies, too.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 8:09 PM
From: United States
the Metro is the PLD present to Dominican republic..!

Crossing Santo Domingo in few minutes without that chaotic traffic is a big accomplishment!

Thank you Leonel and danilo!

PLD 2016-2020 !
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 8:44 PM
From: United States
says victor

Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 8:09 PM
From: United States
the Metro is the PLD present to Dominican republic..!

Crossing Santo Domingo in few minutes without that chaotic traffic is a big accomplishment!


do you have any proof that travel time in Santo Domingo has been reduced, in the case of people using cars?
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 8:56 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Allow me to make a few predictions, Dread. In five or six years, you and I will still be alive n' kicking, Josean will still be ranting incoherently, Medina will still be our president, and this train will become a reality.

Money talks, (the multinationals seeking to invest here), and the chit (the unions), will still be hollering. But it won't do them any good. They’ll realize that the ever -rising price of Diesel, makes for trucking an unprofitable undertaking. As previously stated, no one can stop the relentless pace of progress.

Places such as Santiago, La Vega, etc., will become major industrial and agricultural hubs. We will be exporting all kinds of manufactured goods and agricultural products. Our GNP will soar to unprecedented heights and we will be a banana republic, no more.
There are only two obstacles to this realization. One: We must somehow generate three times the electricity output in place today. Two: We must accelerate the pace of our educational institutio
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 8:57 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

More than 4% of GNP must be allocated to prosper our nation. The sorry state of our educational system must be retrofitted to try and catch up with today’s urgent need for technicians and MBA’s.
Our little island is ideally geographically situated for commerce to North/South America, Europe, and the Lesser Antilles. We can also become a major hub for banking and air transport.

As far as the Unions are concerned, they have practically disappeared from the US and Canada. They’ll not be a problem to subjugate, they ain’t chit! This Train WILL BE constructed. Necessity says we must!
Written by: IloveDR, 24 Dec 2012 9:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Josean sry I respect your opinion but on this one I must disagree with you, the metro is fantastic and has helped plenty of people in Santo Domingo now this line will even bring in more jobs and improve commuting (east-west bound) filling up the demand/ gap needed...
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Dec 2012 9:40 PM
From: United States
says Ron

They’ll realize that the ever -rising price of Diesel makes for trucking an unprofitable undertaking. As previously stated, no one can stop the relentless pace of progress.

the IMF is not going to sit by and allow the government to subsidize diesel any longer. that is going to put the truckers in a serious bind, in terms of profit margins. they have very few options, in terms of livelihoods. they are not going to sell all those Mack heads and just fade into oblivion. who is going to buy them, and for what purpose? instead of withering on the vine, they are going to get busy living, or get busy dying, as Morgan Freeman said in the Shawshank Redemption. they are going to get really ornery. they are not going to pack their old kit bags and hit the road. this is going to be a life and death struggle, which will not be played out in 5 years. trust me on this, Ron. i wish it was not so, but it is.,
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 24 Dec 2012 10:36 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

I read all, but one thing that stands out is your alluding to "The Shawshank Redemption", part.
Dread, you never cease to amaze me! We've a lot to talk about, good fella!

Yes, things can get really "ornery", but nothing that a number of riot SWAT sadists can not bring to order.
You're building up these pendejos to an strata/category they're not worthy of.
They will NOT, on their strength alone, stop Progress!
Medina has already demonstrated He's got the will (cojones), and mind to do good by all of us!!!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Josean will still be ranting incoherently"

You should be the last person on this site to accuse anyone of Ranting incoherently.

Please show me ANY country in world were long haul trucking has disappeared even in Europe with one of the most sophisticated and oldest rail train systems even before there were trucks they still have a need for long haul trucking..

Do you really think the makers of Diesel engines and trucks are going to let this market get away from them much less collapse?

Especially in the US who is currently the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas!



Think again:

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continued:

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


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Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:32 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Here more "incoherent rambling" so you might learn something and stop make an ASS of yourself by ASS-UMING you know everything!

New Engine or Converting?

The problem of air pollution around the globe is real and serious. Diesel exhaust emissions are a major source of pollution in most urban centers around the world. Trucks, buses, generators and ships burn millions of gallons of diesel fuel daily. Many countries are looking to alternative fuels to reduce diesel exhaust emissions. Furthermore, as the price of crude oil continues to increase, the use of alternative fuels becomes increasingly economical.

Compressed natural gas (CNG) has emerged as a perfect solution to the problems of high oil prices and high exhaust emissions. Readily available in many countries from indigenous sources, it is clean burning and in some countries natural gas costs only 1/3rd the price of diesel fuel.

continued:

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:34 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Some countries have large reserves of natural gas but no technology to use it as an engine fuel. Converting diesel engines to natural gas would decrease the dependency on imported fuel and help utilize the abundant natural gas resources.

Omnitek approaches the issue of replacing or converting high-polluting diesel engines to clean burning natural gas engines by offering two options, which in large part are dictated by the level of technological capabilities within the country and financial feasibility. Omnitek may work with local companies in an effort to convert high polluting diesel engines to clean burning natural gas, or supply new dedicated Natural gas engines. However, to correctly convert a diesel engine to a low-polluting Natural Gas engine can be technologically challenging and time consuming.


continued:

Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

-- Under Solution #1 Omnitek will supply new low-polluting natural gas engines in 4 and 6 cylinder configurations. This may be the best option when the existing engines are based on old and outdated technology and when long downtimes are not acceptable. Omnitek will help with the installation and service support. A strong local support team, service provider and spare parts supplier is needed. Engines can also be supplied to local natural gas truck and bus manufacturers. The engines can be certified up to the EURO 6 / US2010 emissions standard.


-- Under Solution #2 Omnitek will supply engineering support, for a small per-vehicle royalty. The diesel engines are converted/rebuild to natural gas locally on a "Technology Transfer" basis. This offers an economic benefit and boost to the local economy. The engines can be certified up to the EURO 5 / US2007 emissions standard. (Converting engines from diesel to natural gas requires expertise and may result in engine downtime.)
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:36 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Suggested engine modifications to assure engine reliability, optimized power, low fuel consumption and emissions may include optimizing compression ratio, valve lift, valve timing, exhaust system and intake manifold. Special attention goes to engine cooling, engine lubrication and the potential issue of excessive oil consumption. A properly modified engine can make the same power as the base diesel engine.



Diesel Engine Conversions:
May need to improve cooling system efficiency
May need engine oil cooler
May need new valve seats, guides and seals
May need new pistons and rings
Engine compression must be lowered
May need a new camshaft
Ignition system must be installed
Cylinder head modifications are needed to install spark plugs
Custom cam or crankshaft position sensors must be made


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Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 11:36 PM
From: United States

This metro is an excellent news!

Gobierno que trabaja , pais que progresa..!

Thanks PLD.
The best Christmas gift for Dominican republic!
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:38 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


NOTE:

* A detailed project evaluation and thorough inspection of the engines is required
prior to purchase order acceptance.


* Not all diesel engines can be cost effectively converted. Some engines require a great amount of mechanical changes to operate reliably. Some converted engines can not be tuned to the strictest emission standards.


Please fill out the Pre-evaluation Form for each type of engine.

Truck/Bus/Automotive
Industrial Stationary/Generators


.omnitekcorp.com/engconvert.htm

Written by: ohhhvictor, 24 Dec 2012 11:44 PM
From: United States


Que mejor regalo puede dar el PLD a su pueblo?

Una linea nueveciiiita de Metro, para atravesar la ciduad en 10 minutos , cosa que tomaria 2 horas en carro hace 8 anos!

que gobiernazo!

Gracias PLD
Written by: josean, 24 Dec 2012 11:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Ms. Vickey go touch the third rail in the Bronx!

Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 5:18 AM
From: Norway
RonEvane says:


There are only two obstacles to this realization. One: We must somehow generate three times the electricity output in place today. Two: We must accelerate the pace of our educational institutio

wrong:
one: dominicans and their mentality

Ron isnt it nice to have those dreams, however realism makes more sense.
Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 5:23 AM
From: Norway
Josean,
here in Scandinavia trains are still running and plans for increase, however truckhauling has increased tenfold and continue. Seafreight which was a major player has almost disappeared.
Written by: dreamkiller, 25 Dec 2012 7:09 AM
From: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Fighting Joseans lunacy .Stop Guillermo the commie thief in 2016
Scandi how many shooters of aquuavit have too had and are you very high? If not you are not then you are not the Scandi I know....also know as the @sshole from Oslo....Merry Christmas !
Written by: tschotschua, 25 Dec 2012 7:21 AM
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Josean, every time you open your mouth, you make the whole DT look like a bigger Letrina.
Shit, man, you have it all on your own; the fact that a clock is broken do not stop it from being right on the time for twice a day.

Now the time has come that you have to take responsabilities for all of your crooks, El Burro, your beloved Hubieres and all the sequitur ... and stop hidding bihind Morenos' Incubus.

Moreno told me that he does not know you and that you have never been one of his closed colaborators, the only trace of you that he keeps leads to the El Burro's one. LMAO.

No budy is gonna stop the progress, remark, nor a billiong Burros of yours (!)
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 7:25 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Says ScandiViking: "Ron isnt it nice to have those dreams, however realism makes more sense".

The difference between you and I is that I see ahead of me, You see only what's in front of you. Big difference.!

When taking reality and extrapolating it to it's logical conclusion, there can only be two, and ONLY, two outcomes. We either sink or swim. Either we flounder and become another Haiti, or rise above and unfold our sail to prosperity. There is no in-between.!
Our republic has, slowly, but steadily, been increasing it's GNP for at least, the past 20 years.
Why? Because of tourism, remittances, foreign investments and better,(not ideal), management.

In spite of the rampant corruption, I believe that our lot will continue to get better. I have all the confidence that our little island will surface to become a major player in the world of finance, commerce, manufacturing and tourism,(if it isn't already).

We will prosper; dumb Dominican mentality, notwithstanding.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 9:28 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Says Toshiba from NAZILANDIA:

"No budy" is gonna stop the progress, remark, nor a billiong Burros of yours"

Another PURPLE Genius in need of a Remedial English course!


Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:34 AM
From: United States
says RonEvane

We will prosper; dumb Dominican mentality, notwithstanding.

Ron, i have always admired your positive outlook. i guess that without it, no progress can be made. the DR has tremendous potential, especially in respect to natural resources. wonderful terrain, which lends itself to all types of agricultural pursuits. beautiful beaches, and a very varied topography and climate, which is the basis of tourism, caribbean style. it also is a source of varied precious metals, which, if properly managed, is a steady income stream for the foreseeable future. however, what the DR needs is an influx of Dominicans who have lived abroad, and seen how people in first world countries do things. and, no, i do not mean deportees. there are people in this site who have lived in the USA for decades, who would offer so much to this country, if they ever came back home. i always fantasize about what we could become here, if people like yourself, and cibaeno, and Mr Rancier came home.
Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 9:41 AM
From: Norway
DK
Mxmas - and yes the aquavit is veryyyyyyyyy god this year - hand me bottle no 5 pls
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:41 AM
From: United States
the DR is being held back solely by the mindset of the current crop of people who run it. it is obvious to see. guys like you have learnt to respect the rule of law and order. you know that in the USA, you cannot play your stereo at aircraft levels at 3 am, because thhe cops will come. you know the pains of a 250 dollar ticket for running a red light, and the other sanctions against chasing pedestrians out of crosswalks, driving the wrong way down one way streets, and blowing your horns needlessly in a school zone. you know the results of DUI. guess what? some people in the DR also know better than doing such socially unacceptable behaviors. sadly, they are the people who should set the examples. well, they do not, because they believe that they are above the law, because they are rich, or live in Arroyo Hondo, or they have hyphenated surnames, and can trace their ancestry to the Pinta. that is why the country is anarchic, and anarchy never produces worthwhile results.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:44 AM
From: United States
those who should know better are the ones who set the tone. it is the guys with the 100,000 dollar jeepetas who break the road traffic laws, because any police officer who dares to pull them over will hear it from his captain, after Don Pepe de Gazcue has called his generallisimo buddy to complain about an officer doing his sworn duty. it is not potential that is destroying the DR. it is mindset.
Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 9:48 AM
From: Norway
Dread Ron do forget the facts that you are pointing out, hence he is carried away to dreamland at times Even thou im not into the fanatism of religion have a merry xmas
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States
merry christmas, Scandi. don't bore dreamkiller with remarks about good liquor. that is a guy who used to buy Thunderbird and Night Train wine , cut them so bad that the bottles were bleeding (thanks, Nipsey), and relabel them as some auspicious vintage French wine. then, he would mosey through the caribbean islands, trying to peddle them off on people whom he thought did not know the difference. that is why they ran him out of the British islands.
Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 9:55 AM
From: Norway
Dread, I thought DK was only run out of Canada. The mounties couldnt catch him before he stole the sled along with Rudolph - last time seen airborn passing the Bermuda triangel.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 10:19 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


A Blast from the METRO Over-valuation Past!


“In a press conference held at the Joaquin Balaguer station of the Santo Domingo Metro, reformist leader Osiris de Leon said that the total over-valuation of the two lines amounts to RD$ 4,831 million on the purchase of 102 cars.”

"He pointed out that the Government paid for each wagon of the first line US$2 million 158 thousand 333 dollars to Transport Alscom company on 31 May 2006, which, in his view, contrasts with the amount of US$1 million 135 thousand 265 dollars paid to that same company by the subway in Shanghai, China, built around the same time.”

“The over-valuation by each subway car, he said, was a US$1 million 22 thousand 965 dollars.”

DiarioLibre.com

Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 10:35 AM
From: United States
says Scandi

Written by: ScandiViking, 25 Dec 2012 9:55 AM
From: Denmark
Dread, I thought DK was only run out of Canada.

error. try Cuba. Canada. the USA. Puerto Rico. The Virgin Islands. all of the British Caribbean..the list goes on. the rolling stone that gathered a mess
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 10:37 AM
From: United States
stop whining about the Metro overspending, josean. have you seen the prices of Ferrari Enzos recently?
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 11:04 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:41 AM

From: United States

the DR is being held back solely by the mindset of the current crop of people who run it. it is obvious to see"

Dr. Dread to your Point:

“AMET tows motorcycles passing through tunnels and elevated road ways; among the fined are included police and military personnel”

Read the rest at:

AMET retiene motocicletas que transitan por túneles y elevados; entre los multados están policías y militares

noticiassin.com/2012/12/amet-retiene-motocicletas-que-transitan-por-tuneles-y-elevados-entre-los-multados-estan-policias-y-militares/

PS

Now the question is why aren’t these Fine Police and Military officers taking the USELESS METRO even when it’s “Free” for the Holidays!



Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 11:19 AM
From: United States
the prosecution rests
Written by: TonyTunTun, 25 Dec 2012 11:45 AM
From: United States
The DR continues its efforts to modernize.

Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!

Written by: Atabey, 25 Dec 2012 12:13 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Dream,

Dready got a new pair of running shoes. Actually, a used pair from the Salvation Army. But it will help him continue to run like he has from The Forum section of DT.


Ron,

Keep the positive thoughts. Too many nihilist and negative sorts on these pages. In 10-20 years they will be awe struck with the positive changes throughout the DR.

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 12:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


TonyTunTun


"The DR continues its efforts to modernize."

A few kilometers of an overpriced 19th century technology in the Capital does not constitute modernization for the Dominican Republic.

The Capital is NOT, I repeat IS NOT, the Whole Country!


PS

News for you the Overwhelming MAJORITY of Dominicans don’t live in Santo Calcutta!


Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 1:14 PM
From: United States
says the DT village idiot, Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 25 Dec 2012 12:13 PM
From: United States, NYC

Dream,

Dready got a new pair of running shoes. Actually, a used pair from the Salvation Army. But it will help him continue to run like he has from The Forum section of DT

as usual, the lowlife will stoop to anything. . hey, fool, at least you were put on notice that the senior statesmen know who gets the upper hand in our debates. nobody with education thinks you do. if you had any shame, and self respect, you would be a man and post where i can respond. then again, i feel sorry for you. something in your head is not all there. what kind of a fool re-opens a thread that has been inactive for 4 years, signs his name, and posts nothing. one who is playing without a full deck,

as Al Pacino said, in the Scent Of a Woman, "when the shit hits the fan, some guiys run, and some guys stay" we know who runs. you have NEVER answered any question i posted..
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 1:15 PM
From: United States
ready to examine the equations about taxation,. cobarde? never thought you were. there is no google cut and paste with those.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 1:41 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"Keep the positive thoughts. Too many nihilist and negative sorts on these pages. In 10-20 years they will be awe struck with the positive changes throughout the DR. "

Atabey, I'm already "awe struck" by the glaring modernization the country has been experiencing, and will continue to, in the coming years.!
According to my own brother who lives and travels there, SD has gotten much cleaner and nicer, but the traffic's still as hellish as ever.
Roads have been built and others, repaired. "There seems to be an air of hope and prosperity, not seen before, however".

I can't wait to go back and see for myself, the changes I've seen in pictures and from using "google earth". I plan on touring the country, (in my search for a suitable and affordable place to live).
At the moment we have a humble abode in Vista Hermosa, (East SD), Where I plan to stay until I experience what it's really like to live and work in DR. ..
I will report back to you, folks, soon after.

Feliz Navidad
Written by: Atabey, 25 Dec 2012 2:08 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Dready,

I don't want to be cruel; it's so unchristian like with Christmas and all. So I'll just leave you with a thought: As to why some folks will never prick that inflated balloon of an ego of yours-Some people pity thee and realize that having so little going on these days that even a virtual existence is preferable to your lonely reality-25 years and running.

Sad, really sad.


P.S.

Stop visiting so many web Porn sites and getting all that malware and other viruses and perhaps you'll be able to post in the Forum section once again.


A New Year beckons.


:)


Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 2:18 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"the DR is being held back solely by the mindset of the current crop of people who run it."

Yes, totally, Dread!
It is a byproduct of the entitlement mind-set since Trujillo's era, but more so, the lack of formal and at-home education... When kids aren't taught civility, they grow up as "chivos sin ley". But that can change. With the advent of new schools being built and longer hours, the hope is that the new generation will grow to embrace the rule of law and civility.
Of course, this will take many years, but at least, the end-result is smarter folks who can tell the difference between right and wrong.
As things are right now, we can't be classified as anything but a third-world, backward nation with potential to emerge out of the muck, if only we knew better.
I see DR as a nation with much to be improved, but I also see the latest efforts to fix the many maladies, it's afflicted with. This is why I feel optimistic about the future. Growth and change will maintain its pace
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 2:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Stop visiting so many web Porn sites and getting all that malware and other viruses"


Nothing like experience to give advice!

Make sure the Boricua doesn’t find out Juan BOBO!

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 3:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

josean’s PURPLE CORRUPTION 2012 Year in Review!


Another METRO and all that "Marvelous" Overvalued Construction Blast from the Past Related!


“Written by: josean, 28 Jul 2012 3:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


In other METRO-Corruption News, some may not want to hear and other would like to suppress along with josean!

“According to ADOCCO, corruption is 100 billion pesos each year”

“He recalled that Leonel Fernandez, before becoming President of the Republic, said that administrative corruption stole from State some 35 billion pesos per year”

“He blames President Leonel Fernandez for being flexible with corrupt officials and hindering the work of the Public Prosecutor's Office.”

continued:

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 3:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-The Coordinator General of Dominican Alliance Against Corruption (ADOCCO), Julio César of the Rosa Tiburcio, stated that acts of corruption in the Dominican State to imply a theft of about 100 billion pesos of the Dominican people, every year.

He said that most of the constructions of the State are based on overvalued Budgets.

He cited as an example the Santo Domingo METRO, and argued that the commissioning of similar transport systems in OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE REGION HAS BEEN LESS EXPENSIVE.

"But not only in the METRO, but in almost all the constructions of importance the current Government is running prevails overvaluation and corruption," said Rosa Tiburcio.

He said that prior to Leonel Fernandez being President of the Republic, in 1995, Leonel said that administrative corruption cost the Dominican state some 35 billion pesos per year, and now he is permissive and flexible towards corrupt officials.

continued:

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 3:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Rosa Tiburcio regretted that President Fernandez, in his 12 years of Government, has not faced the crime of corruption.

He also stressed that since the Directorship of Persecution of Administrative Corruption (DPCA), Hotoniel Bonilla, as well as Octavio Lister, wanted to confront and bring to justice dozens of officials accused of embezzling public funds, but President Fernandez paralyzed the work of the Public Prosecutor's Office against the corrupt officials.

Rosa Tiburcio said that ADOCCO had delivered several complaints to the director of CAPD, Hotoniel Bonilla, but that there has been absolutely action with because the "evil deeds" of the Executive.

"Hotoniel and Lister always wanted to bring to justice senior officials, but President Leonel Fernandez would always intervene so everything should continue as it was," he said.

continued:

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 3:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The General Coordinator of ADOCCO was interviewed in the program in the footsteps, which airs Fridays from 8: 00 to 9: 00 pm on channel 24 Santo Domingo TV by cable and 69 UHF system.

.acento.com.do/index.php/news/19701/56/Segun-ADOCCO-la-corrupcion-se-lleva-100-mil-millones-de-pesos-cada-ano.html

PS

I am sorry to be the bearer of Bad News PURPLE CLAPPING SEALS, but you just simply can't HIDE the TRUTH!”


Today 12-25-2012:

Those Dam "Pessimistic" FACTS are Stubborn things!


Written by: tschotschua, 25 Dec 2012 3:27 PM
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 9:28 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Says Toshiba from NAZILANDIA:

"No budy" is gonna stop the progress, remark, nor a billiong Burros of yours"

Another PURPLE Genius in need of a Remedial English course!
------------------------------------
What I can infer from your post is: the Nazi remark ... and it shows that inherent Burro in your inside, and it goes further beyond, my lesser English command and dominion a painful thing to take away from you risking to put an end to your life in that effort. LMAO.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 4:20 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


ToZhiba,

I would like to respond but I can't understand what the HELL you wrote Computer Genius!

In the 1930’s you would have been one of Dr. Mengele's experiments!


Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
merry xmas and a great new year for you.
choo choo
all aboard the merry xmas express {ok u dont have a education for most of
Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
written by: dont_be_silent, 24 dec 2012 10:32 am
from: dominican republic, never forgotten, never forsaken!
where's haitian dannypiti when you need 'em?

choo choo all aboard to the border.
nice to see that my fan club is alive and well on this xmas day.
if u really need to know where iam well iam on the malecon in puerto plata around the long beach area. i need a shoe shine and had high hopes to find u at your regular stop. guess u took the day off, guess u made enough money this week at your shoe shine business. this past week and took the day off.
let me wish u a merry xmas i wish the same for mr. hugo chavez and the castro brothers and all your friends that are in rikers island.

Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:37 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
"no budy" is gonna stop the progress, remark, nor a billiong burros of yours"

what did u say?
maybe iam wrong but are u talking about progress in the dr?
i know about some hotels that open in the punta cana area, and the cheap tee-shirt company. and the few new malls in santo domingo. ok!
did the unemployment rate go down in the dr? i was in pop a few weeks ago and saw 1,000 of guys sitting on their motor bikes waitng for any one who could pay the 40 pesos for a quick ride, also saw the taxis most just sitting and waitng for a ride also.saw some black guys from the states that where looking for sex with young dominican girls.
Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:43 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
still no education for the young is their? that would at least to me would be some progress, if the luz was on 24/7 for the poor and middle class people that would also be progress, if the dr had a real police force {not the one we have now that brings their own crime wave to the people of the dr} that would also be progress.
why are the boats still leaving every day for puerto rico? why? is it the progress in the dr is the reason they are leaving?
today more choo choo trains for the children to play with this is progress for u?
germany people where eating out of the trash after ww2 look at them today.
this is progress the dr is not in the real progress mode.
Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:49 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
from: dominican republic, never forgotten, never forsaken!
where's haitian dannypiti when you need 'em?

LET ME TAKE A FEW , M,IMUTES TO PUT IN AN ANSWER TO THE ABOVE SHORT AND SWEET.
,MR. SILENT IAM AS WHITE AS CASPER THE GHOST.

CHOO CHOO.
ALL ABOARD PLEASE ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE THE COLOR WHITE OR TAN.
NAILED U ON THIS ONE MR SHOE SHINE BOY.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 4:50 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

One-trick, Josean or double zero, Danny. .I can't decide which is the biggest idiot! Can anyone help me with this conundrum, please?
Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:54 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
is it the shoe shine polish on your face or is it that color of black that u where born with?
even blacks should have a merry xmas. have a good one guy i know its tough being black but i didn't make u this color guy dont blame me.
have a little song for u we used to sing in brooklyn when i was kid.
god made the ni%&*#s he made them in the night he made them in a hurry and forgot to make them white.
have a good one mr silent guy.
Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:55 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
ism it a guy with the name ron?
thanks for joijng my fan club.
u also have a great xmas. along with mr chavez.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 4:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Little Rickey One to never Let a Fact in the way of a Good Lie, like Lie-onel, states out of his PURPLE Rectum on:

"Ricardolito, 24 Dec 2012 6:09 PM"

“I do know that in a city of close to 5 million people”

Here are the Facts; the City of Santo Domingo proper without its Environs as of the December 2010, IX Census sub total Urban 965.040 the greater metropolitan area including the previous number Totals 2,907,100 ( Santo Domingo-Santo Domingo Norte-Santo Domingo Oeste-Los Alcarrizos-Santo Domingo Este-Boca Chica-Bajos de Haina-San Cristóbal conurbation )

For the non-rectal source go to:

wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Domingo

So it appears approximately 2 million people are missing or living in his Colon!

Like Mark Twain said:

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”


The PLD and their SICK Supporters are Masters at that Practice!



Written by: danny00, 25 Dec 2012 4:59 PM
From: United States, SYOSSET LONG ISLAND...
hey ron u ever bet on the 00? or are u the o guy?
38 numbers on the board 0=36... thats 38 guy if u can count that high. they pay off at 35-to one
the 00 guy thats me guy most people say the 00 is a stupid number but it has the same chance as any other number that can come out on the board.
00 is always a winner for me.
{wonder if this guy even knows what iam taking about?}
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Dec 2012 5:53 PM
From: Australia
Thanks for the figure, Josean

At 2,907,100 in 2010, I would guess that with the out-of-control birth-rate and the worsening net economic situation for people in the countryside, (usually causing an increasing drift to a capital, even if their real prospects are not better) then the population would now be well over 3 million.

Given the un-upgradable state of the roads, absence of freeways or other effective forms of surface transport, sub–standard vehicles and drivers, and the virtual absence of law-enforcement, a comprehensive underground rail system is long overdue.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 6:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Roy,

You contradict yourself; you want to provide "Feral Peasants” with “modern” transportation so they have even more incentive to abandon the countryside to the Mass Transit Shangri-La named by josean as METROLANDIA!

PS

The city proper is under 1 million.


Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 6:41 PM
From: United States
says Ron

According to my own brother who lives and travels there, SD has gotten much cleaner and nicer, but the traffic's still as hellish as ever.

and the Metro will not fix that. it can only fix it if people with cars leave them at home, and take the train. it will provide a more comfortable means of getting around for people who live within a half a mile of the stations, but it will have very little effect on traffic
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 7:06 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Dr. Dread,

I go down there every 90 days more or less, my son has been going almost monthly for the last year, as matter of fact he is spending the entire month of December and we have not noticed any discernible difference in the traffic jams.

Recently, recognized urban planners stated in a report, that I shared here on DT, that NO appreciable improvement could be attributed to the METRO with regards to reducing congestion and as to the tunnels and the elevated roadways/overpasses, the opposite effected resulted by increasing travel time.

These projects could work as part of overall long term well planned transit program. But these knee-jerk reelection construction gimmicks will not!


Written by: ohhhvictor, 25 Dec 2012 7:38 PM
From: United States
According to the urban planner josie's Ano we should close the metro, buy a couple of donkeys from Cuba and let those 400 thousand people handle the traffic on their own in DR to improve the traffic and handle better the efficiency in transportation..

Que esperanza!

Eso es lo que yo llamo los dos seres mas ignorantes del mundo (josie's ano y Dready)!
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 7:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Bring some hard DATA to contradict Ms. Vickey otherwise grab the third RAIL!

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 7:43 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Says Josean: ... "I go down there every 90 days more or less."

Is that right, sir! Tell me, how do you get around? Have you ever taken the subway? If so, what do you think of it?
If not, why not? Is it because it was built with dirty money from the Purple narco, dictatorship??

So, if you're driving, what do you think of the traffic, and fuel prices, eh?
Do you think USD$6.00 for a gallon is fair? can you afford it? If so, You've got a lot money to spend, I wouldn't have that kind of money to throw away when I can walk or take public transport. Why would I want to give it to Chavez's cancer fund?
I'd be saving it for a much more worthy cause: The Suds fund.



Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:00 PM
From: United States
Ron, the disagreement i have with the fuel argument is that no study has established what percentage of Metro riders are also owners of cars. nobody has established how many car owners leave the car at home, and ride the Metro.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 8:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I defy anyone to FIND just one person that has given up there car for the Magic Carpet Ride!

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 8:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


If METROS are so great at MAGICALLY "solving" transportation congestion why was Mayor Bloomberg proposing Congestion Pricing in NYC and why does London have it; two cities with large mass transit systems and a tradition of organized living?

Places were gas or petrol in the case of London are not exactly cheap either!


Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:37 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

I don't want to be cruel; it's so unchristian like with Christmas and all. So I'll just leave you with a thought: As to why some folks will never prick that inflated balloon of an ego of yours-Some people pity thee and realize that having so little going on these days that even a virtual existence is preferable to your lonely reality-25 years and running

no, Atabey...wrong. the pity is reserved for a mental defective that reopens a thread that has been inactive for 4 years, and just signs in, without saying anything. that indicates that your elevator does not stop at the top floor. as to ego. want to know what ego really is/ it is when some semiliterate guy, who never took a class in a subject, believes that he can outgun someone who has being studying the subject for almost 50 years. you know, like if i was to argue a legal brief with Devin, or fuel delivery systems with Glomarexplorer, or IT with Belly. i consider myself to be a minor authority on auto racing.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:37 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

I don't want to be cruel; it's so unchristian like with Christmas and all. So I'll just leave you with a thought: As to why some folks will never prick that inflated balloon of an ego of yours-Some people pity thee and realize that having so little going on these days that even a virtual existence is preferable to your lonely reality-25 years and running

no, Atabey...wrong. the pity is reserved for a mental defective that reopens a thread that has been inactive for 4 years, and just signs in, without saying anything. that indicates that your elevator does not stop at the top floor. as to ego. want to know what ego really is/ it is when some semiliterate guy, who never took a class in a subject, believes that he can outgun someone who has being studying the subject for almost 50 years. you know, like if i was to argue a legal brief with Devin, or fuel delivery systems with Glomarexplorer, or IT with Belly. i consider myself to be a minor authority on auto racing.
Written by: antonio1, 25 Dec 2012 8:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
If the govenrment had not built those roads, bridges, and railways,would there be any roads and bridges today?
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:40 PM
From: United States
however, i would never challenge anthonyc in a contest of knowledge. know why? i realize that he knows far more about it than i will ever learn. it is no shame to admit it. what would be a disgrace is if i tried to show him up, and have all the readers laugh at me. that is what you do, every day. you make people laugh at you, because you try to be an academic, and you are just a guy who can find google on a pc.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:50 PM
From: United States
says Danny the Zero

also.saw some black guys from the states that where looking for sex with young dominican girls

no white guys? i could have sworn that some of them are looking for the same thing. i stand corrected.
Written by: antonio1, 25 Dec 2012 8:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I defy anyone to give me an example any competition that doesn't have its roots in government creation.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 8:52 PM
From: United States
says antonio1

Written by: antonio1, 25 Dec 2012 8:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I defy anyone to give me an example any competition that doesn't have its roots in government creation.

McDonald's and Burger King.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 9:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

A-1,

No one is talking about not building bridges or roadways.

We are arguing priority building that gives you the most bangs for the peso in an organized planned and coordinated way that takes into account the priority of the ENTIRE NATION; not just the capital. We have whole sections of the country that stay incommunicado for days, if not weeks, after annually expected floods because of poor flood control planning and substandard infrastructure construction due to corruption, malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance.

How many times has the bridge near El Cruce de Oca been built and rebuilt and rebuilt, I think last year alone twice; a bridge that is part of the Major access road to the southern side of the country. How about the bridge that buckled on Duarte Highway near Bonao last summer, the major artery connecting the north and the south, so vital to national commerce?

continued:

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 9:08 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

One day that either of those two roads is closed cost the country more money than the METRO shutting down for a month.

In fact the METRO shutting down would save the Dominican Taxpayers money since it highly subsidized by them.


Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 9:36 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

“Nobody has established how many car owners leave the car at home, and ride the Metro.”

Indeed not, Mr. Dread!
But, does it matter? The general consensus is that 150.000 commuters, (or so I’m told), ride the metro every day.
We can debate on the numbers, but that’s not my purpose. What’s critical here is that we have done as much as can be to ease jams. ..SD has built elevated roads, tunnels, parking lots, enacted new street/road regulations, rerouted traffic flow, and did plenty to work out a solution, without much success.
This crisis cannot be resolved by paving ourselves out of it!.. I suppose a highway circumventing the city all together, would probably help some. But besides that, little else can be done.

The ONLY solution is to build MORE underground rail lines. Imagine how much uglier things could get, if these thousands of subway- riding commuters had to depend on surface transport? That’s hard to imagine!
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 25 Dec 2012 9:38 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

As fuel prices get increasingly/progressively higher and our public transport more efficient/safe, and covers a greater percentage of the National District, dumber, José ano-like Dominicans, will find it wise to leave their gas guzzlers home and enjoy a fume-less commute.
Written by: dreadlocks, 25 Dec 2012 9:51 PM
From: United States
says Ron

The ONLY solution is to build MORE underground rail lines. Imagine how much uglier things could get, if these thousands of subway- riding commuters had to depend on surface transport? That’s hard to imagine!

nope. wrong. the only solution is to stop the rate of urbanization. the main reason why there is traffic anarchy, among other lesser ones, is too much traffic. there is too much traffic because there are too many cars in Santo Domingo, relative to the carrying capacity of the infrastructure. you cannot keep building more and more roads, bridges, and overpasses. the solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift. there is no other solution.
Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 10:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

More Rectal numbers like Little Rickey:


"But, does it matter? The general consensus is that 150.000 commuters, (or so I’m told), ride the metro every day."


“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see” said old Ben Franklin!

Or assuming makes you and ASS first AS some pointed out recently but apparently doesn’t take their own advice.

Here ar the non-colonic mumbers:

"Opret Assistant director Leonel Carrasco said the subway’s construction was a positive step by president Leonel Fernandez’s Administration, and noted that the Metro has sought to provide some social segments with a transport to reach remote points of the city that they didn’t have before.

He said the Metro began its operations mounting nearly 25,000 passengers daily and has now reached 97,000"

From a non RECTAL source:

dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2011/1/31/38448/Santo-Domingo-Metro-served-42M-riders-in-first-2-years

Written by: josean, 25 Dec 2012 10:05 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"the solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift. there is no other solution."

Dr. Dread,

Why can't all the Brilliant PURPLE Rocket Scientists understand that?

Could you please explain to them the “Law of Diminishing Returns!"


Written by: williom, 26 Dec 2012 12:23 AM
From: United States
q(( "the solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift. there is no other solution."

Dr. Dread,

Why can't all the Brilliant PURPLE Rocket Scientists understand that? ))

_________________________
Dread keeps repeating the same thing about slowing down the urban drift over and over. You, the same. So, if they don't get it by now, they will NEVER, NEVER get it.
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 12:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
you wrote...

"I defy anyone to FIND just one person that has given up there car for the Magic Carpet Ride!"

According to "Diario Libre" some people are starting to do so. They drive their POV's to a near by station and continue their commute on the Metro.

"diariolibre.com/noticias/2012/10/23/i356743_mirador-norte-dejan-autos-para-utilizar-metro.html",

Did I win anything???
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 12:45 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Parking" your vehicle doesn't constitute "giving up" your vehicle!

No cigar!



Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 12:49 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


williom,

Some do and slowly but surely more will!

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 12:51 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

“The solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift. There is no other solution.”

Yes and no, Mr. Dread. But we can’t decree/legislate where anyone can move to…. While it’s true that job creation in other cities can slow down the migration of destitute folks, these are not the ones with cars that contribute to the nightmarish traffic problems in SD. These poor people are the very ones who can benefit most from public transport. The ones who will HAVE TO use the metro and the ones who will make up the bulk of ridership needed to substantiate this metro’s raison d’être. These folks will fill an occupational niche, vital for fueling our economy.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 12:53 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Even if cities in the interior can become more attractive, it does not mean, they won’t come to SD…The trend for urbanization is a phenomenon that began in the early dawn of human civilization and continues today.
SD will become bigger and bigger, regardless of what we do to discourage It.! This is an absolute certainty, and there’s absolutely NOTHING we can do to reverse it!!!
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 12:55 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Well williom there are exceptions!


Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 12:59 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Josean, stop sucking ass and stay out of the adults discussion!!
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:04 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Only your stupidity out does your vulgarity!

As soon you get spanked for your idiocies you get mad and lose your cool!

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 1:10 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Alright, Josean. I'm sorry. Let's drink a beer together, eh?
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 1:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks,

I think the whole urban drift theory is well understood, however I don't think that in practice we have been very succesful in reversing this trend in major cities around the world. Don't, get me wrong, I am not advocating against investment in rural areas, but once a city hits the limits of their current infrastructure you can't just close the city to newcomers. You cannot kick-people out either, and you cannot sit and do nothing (like improving infrastructure) while waiting for the urban drift to reverse.
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:20 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


." the solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift"

How did "Slow Down" become stop or reverse?

You PURPPLE CLAPPING SEALS love to distort words and numbers to try to justify the unjustifiable!

Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 1:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
you wrote...

""Parking" your vehicle doesn't constitute "giving up" your vehicle!

No cigar!"


Wow! not even partial credit!? I mean, even in NYC, someone that already owns a car will not completely give up their car for the MTA. Right?
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 1:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
you wrote...
"...the solution is to increase opportunities in the rural areas, to slow down urban drift"
How did "Slow Down" become stop or reverse?

What are you going to do then with the original problem?...Too many cars in the city as the result of urban drift. The solution you are against is infrastructures like the metro, in favor for rural development, to "slow" migrations to the cities. Okey....what do you do with the original problem while we wait for the slow down?
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:28 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


That's the point; it is not an "ABSOLUTE" that the Magic Carpet miraculously cures the car addiction!


Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 1:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,

It will be foolish to say that the metro systems by themselves are the cure to the problem of mass transportation. However, in heavy populated cities, they become intrigal part of the solution. Are they not?
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:39 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Not when you have to drive your car, or take a motoconcho to the stop because there are no organized feeder route buses!

Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 1:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
you wrote...

"Not when you have to drive your car, or take a motoconcho to the stop because there are no organized feeder route buses!"

LOL...mi amigo "Rome was not built in a day". The buses are already here, just give the OPRET a little more time. Organized feeder route buses are part of the plan.
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:48 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"What are you going to do then with the original problem?"

Please search METRO on DT and you will find many suggestions I have made over the years in my 22,000 plus posts!

Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 1:50 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"LOL...mi amigo "Rome was not built in a day"

So you and the METRO authorities are like SUPERMAN?

Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 2:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,

I'm sure you had many good suggestions. Now, what I understand is that in major cities around the world, metro systems, like ours, become the backbone to their mass transportation solution. We can try building more roads, or surface alternatives to the metro, but eventually you are going to run out of surface space in densely populated cities.
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 2:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,
you said ...
"So you and the METRO authorities are like SUPERMAN?"

On the contrary, that is why I said that "Rome was not built in a day". The full Metro system will take time to be completely implemented.
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 2:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Please read them, those issue have been addressed by me and others with our own humble ideas and presenting links or quotes from internationally recognized urban planners.

If fact better plans have been presented by DT posters than we have ever seen from the PURPLE improvisers.

Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 2:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


So you are like SUPERMAN?


Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 2:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean,

Fair enough!...I'll take a look at some of those post.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 2:24 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Arcangel, Please don't argue with this fool. The sucker’s many personality and mental disorders,
Prevents him from grasping the theme of the question at hand.. Forgive him, for he knows not what he says!
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 2:27 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Now who is interrupting ADULTS?

Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2012 2:32 AM
From: Australia
I admire your optimism about progress and a freight/passenger rail between the capital and its side-kick, Ron.
Can we re-visit this question once you have been back in the county for while?


Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 2:40 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Josean, tu tienes una mente infantil. Crees que eres alguien. No eres nada, mi loca obscesionada.
Bajate de esa nube, y ven aqui a la realidad.
Si es que un dia te das cuenta de lo que es la vida, quizas puedas ver las cosas como realmente son. Mientras tanto, vete ala escuela y aprendes el abecedario, Infeliz!
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2012 2:56 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Ron,

Take a time out over in the corner or we will have to call your parents!

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 3:14 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"Can we re-visit this question once you have been back in the county for while?"

Yes, of course, Roy! I may just be fooling myself into thinking things can be as easily resolved as I think they can be!!
I may be sadly disappointed in realizing things aren’t as “cut n’dry” as I theorize them to be.
But we’ll see. Judging by what I read and heard, there’s an enormous opportunity for commerce there that an enterprising, optimistic, and visionary (nutty), old guy like me can benefit, mammoth-like!!... The sky’s the limit!!.. Wahoo!
I’m so glad most folks in this site can’t see beyond their noses. I can only hope most in DR think, feel the same!! Diggidy dog!
Listen, I’m not a poor guy. In spite of my limitations, I’ve gotten pretty far. I owe it all to my incessant and manic sense of optimism. ..Help, my yacht’s adrift!.. Help!... I need more soilent green. Got any, Roy?..Dread?..Bueller?
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 3:22 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

I love you, Josean, hic!
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2012 3:28 AM
From: Australia
Whatever you're smoking Ron, leave some for us!
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Dec 2012 7:40 AM
From: United States
Better employment, better services and better business opportunities are the driving forces for Urban-Rural migration. When government’s attention shifts to developing rural areas through creating better job opportunities and providing better service and facilities, the migration will not only stop, it will reverse. If this alarming rate of migration continues the city will start facing the over-population risks including the high crime rate, higher urban unemployment rates, environmental problems, pressure on housing and public services. When looking at the worlds developed urban centers we will notice another pattern of migration. Upper and upper-middle class population are now escaping cities to suburbs and surrounding towns and villages looking for cheaper cleaner and quieter areas to live in. This will cause a loss of the city’s vibrant character and will worsen things by bringing even more socio-economic problems.
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 9:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks,
I agree with you. But in practice, I don't know of any major city in the world, that have applied these principles and claim to have reverse the problems of over-population, crime, unemployment, etc, because of a voluntary migration to rural areas. If anything, people are more likely to drift from city to city. Even when some move to suburbans areas, is just a question of time, before the suburbs become part of the cities. I wonder if by creating the conditions necessary for a urban-to-rural migration, we are basically planting the seeds for a new city, in essence, perpetuating the cycle. But we have digressed. The state of mass transportation, in Santo Domingo, is too chaotic. Even if we do start investing today in rural areas, when would the migration be significant enough to make a dent? one generation? two generations? (Assuming that a generation is 30 years)
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Dec 2012 9:53 AM
From: United States
great points, Arcangel. you surely will not reverse the conditions, but you can slow down the rate. look at Staten Island. the place was underpopulated until the Italians and the Irish fled Brooklyn and Queens, which they considered had become far too tight for their liking. people do not move from the countryside to the city because they like city life. they would much rather be in the serenity of Moncion and Mao, than the hurly burly of the Duarte. they have family in the campo. they know how to operate in that space. they would rather be in their little casa de madera in Munoz, than a pension in Los Mina. what forces them out is the search for opportunity to make a living, something which does not exist in the countryside, because all the planning initiatives focus on the cities, Santo Domingo in particular.
Written by: hernandez5482, 26 Dec 2012 1:24 PM
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Dread,
I agree with the idea of working to improve conditions in rural areas not only because it will slow down migration to the city, but also because it will create a stronger and more diverse economy. Imagine if there was a rail system so that farm owners could transport their products to our markets and ports throughout the country. This will create employment for the rural areas and as you said it will slow migration to the city. During the past administration, Fernandez neglected the rural zones so much that there was a steep decline in domestic production. I hope that Medina will place greater emphasis on the country side, specially the Cibao valley and surrounding areas. The creation of fast and efficient cargo transport will transform the agricultural sector.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 1:40 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

As in any nation, especially in the industrialized ones, the trend is to migrate to bigger cities in search for better paying jobs. I'm stating the obvious, yes, but to make a point.

As jobs become more plentiful, people will abandon their rural way of life and resettle in cities. This will trigger the consolidation of land into fewer and bigger agribusinesses. This will certainly be a good thing, since individual farmers make for inefficient crop producers.

This scenario can be best demonstrated with the events following the change of government in the nation of Zimbabwe/Rhodesia back in the early 70’s. During this time, farms were in control of relatively few, mostly white, Rhodesians.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 1:41 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

In 1980, Robert Mugabe was elected president and proceeded to confiscate farms from whites to be given to blacks. Subsequently, Zimbabwe went from a net exporter of food to one that imported most of it. The reason (among others) is that the divvying up of land produced little but erosion and hunger.
Most recipients were not schooled in the intensive farming methods and the land yielded precious little.
To this day, farms remain idle. A legacy of stupidity and jealousy.

As we in DR become more industrialized, land will be sold to these businesses. With their expertise in hand and capable management, it will be made to produce bigger/better yields. This will become the norm. We will export most of what we produce. Nice, eh?.. How about a shipload of black beans, Chavez?
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2012 4:58 PM
From: Australia
Ron,

Can you name one colony that has become a successful country after expulsion of their European masters?
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 5:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
usa
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2012 6:26 PM
From: Australia
USA is still a predominantly Caucasian country. The British descendents were not expelled by descendents of the indigenous people, or of Negro slaves. Indeed, those who lead the independence movement were of British descent.
Written by: rokete, 26 Dec 2012 6:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL ! )) The only thing necessary for the triumph of Haitian evil is for good Dominican men to do nothing.
!!En hora buena!!

Josean, eat your heart out.

No es palante que vamos,

!!!!ES ALANTE QUE ESTAMOS!!!

Y, EMPUJANDO PARA EL FRENTE.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 26 Dec 2012 8:10 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

"Can you name one colony that has become a successful country after expulsion of their European masters?"

No, Roy, I can't think of a single one!
So, what does this mean to you?..That we're doomed to failure because of this one quirk in history?
Roy, let me brag a little. I came from nothing, but hard work and the manic obsession to succeed, made me get up in the morning and strive to do my best. The irony is, that the wife and offsprings, (and the IRS), got all my money and possessions. So, I'm back to zero. Am I worry? heck no!...I can recoup my standard of living, there's nothing to it!

Any nation can pull itself out of the muck by doing the same thing. There's no secret to success. All one needs is the willingness and confidence that it can be done. We must be positive and work hard to achieve it. It's not how much we know, it's how well we can use the little that we know, that counts!.. There's ALWAYS an answer. All one needs to do is find it!
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Dec 2012 8:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Roy,

What!!!? The question did not specified if the former colony needed to be predominantly black nowadays, or a former British colony, or if the colonialist had to be expelled by natives, instead of the colony descendants.
So respectfully, I still believe my answer is valid. Now, where is my cookie?!
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2012 11:07 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: josean,
, Fighting For Nothing


If METROS are so great at MAGICALLY "solving" transportation congestion why was Mayor Bloomberg proposing Congestion Pricing in NYC and why does London have it; two cities with large mass transit systems and a tradition of organized living?

Places were gas or petrol in the case of London are not exactly cheap either!"



Another way to look at the call for Congestion Pricing:


Why have the public leaders of these major cities suggested or developed such options?

Might it be BECAUSE THEY HAVE MAJOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS?

Rome wasn't created in a day.


BTW, the price of subsidized gas in the USA impacts the decision making process that private drivers take. If gas prices were higher-that is, if they reflected the true costs, less private travel would take place in NYC. But as long as prices are relatively low compared with Metro North tickets, people will drive down. " London (CNN) -- Gas prices might
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2012 11:09 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
"London (CNN) -- Gas prices might have breached the $4 per gallon mark in the U.S., but there won't be much sympathy for the American plight in Europe. In fact, that U.S. price of £2.52 a gallon looks highly affordable compared to the UK's current average cost of £6.22 ($9.85)."

If NYC drivers had to pay $9.85 per gallon, I think less private travel would take place.

Encouraging private owners to abandon their cars and take public transportation is not an easy task. In major cities, and SD is developing into one, Mass Transit is a MUST not an option.

DR is doing the correct and long term solution. It will take perhaps another 10-20 years to fully construct, but coupled with a solid Bus network link system will greatly facilitate travel for Dominicans and visitors alike.







Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2012 12:32 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Prices have a temporary at best effect on moving people out of the cars into Mass transit modes.

If fuel prices alone were the determining factor to motivate people away from personal cars, during the period from 1970 to 2102, when regular gas was .36 cents to today's $3.29, we would have a lot of less individual ownership of cars. Not to mention that real wages have taking a beating for the middle class during this period as well.

The culture of individual car ownership is ingrained in the psyche of the human being worldwide reinforced on daily basis by advertisement as true status symbol of middle class attainment.

Most Kids all over the developed and developing world are not telling their parents I can wait until I become 16 to get my METRO Card rather my learner’s permit, even the poor ones.

Hence the Automobile industry has a much larger and ever growing regenerative lobby than Mass transit does.

continued:

Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2012 12:33 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) History

Key Dates:

1971:
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation is created by an Act of Congress to supervise the country's rail passenger train service.

1981:
Congress petitions Amtrak to cut back on federal support dollars.

1983:
Amtrak shifts from a supervisory to an ownership role of the rail services, employing crews and centralizing reservations.

1994:
Given the company's impressive revenues, Congress demands that Amtrak become a self-sufficient corporation.

1997:
On the verge of bankruptcy, Amtrak continues to rely on federal subsidies.

2000:
Amtrak debuts the Acela Regional passenger service linking Boston, New York, and Washington, D.C.

2004:
Amtrak avoids insolvency, being approved for $2 billion a year in assistance for six years.

fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/national-railroad-passenger-corporation-amtrak-history/
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