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Santo Domingo.- The President of the Dominican Republic Wednesday asked the heads of the Armed Forces and the National Police to revise the ranks in their entities, because he noticed inequality within the same categories.

Leonel Fernandez’s request comes in the heels of years of rebuke and criticism against the police and the military branches by civil society on the morass in the ballooned number of generals, proportionately the world’s highest.

The chief executive, during a National Palace ceremony to recognize Armed Forces and National Police senior officers with as many as 35 years in service, said the ranks among members of one same graduation class are either very high of very low, which in his view must be corrected.

He said there’re some military with very high ranks and others very low, despite forming part of the same promotion, “for which I’ve asked that for next February 27, National Independence day, those military branches submit a list which allows a professional recognition of its members.”

Fernandez, whose acknowledgment of a lack of institutionalism in the military and police comes after holding office for nearly 12 years, said “if today we can speak of a Dominican Republic in the 21st century which is modernized, advances and progresses,” it’s because of the military and police.

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Written by: zooma, 9 Feb 2012 8:11 AM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic


.... and it took twelve years to get on top of this matter, twelve years with the collective government heads buried in the sand !! The only reason why this is coming into the light now is there is some political motivation. Elections ?????
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 8:15 AM
From: Australia
To address these inequalities, I'll be my balls there will be no demotions, only promotions. So this country already has "proportionately the world’s highest" number of generals.
The Peter Principle states that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
"Leonel" is Arawak for "Peter"?
Written by: BASTA, 9 Feb 2012 8:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
motivation. Elections ????? == Not really; the Internet is letting light into all of his lies and deceptions. Even his sexual perversions.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 8:51 AM
From: Australia
BASTA, sexual perversions? That's a cheap shot.
You need to substantiate a claim like that.
Written by: Pedrin, 9 Feb 2012 8:55 AM
From: United States
Firing half of these leeches would be a good start. Then start working on the lower ranks. There is no reason for the DR to have such a large military. It's just a gravy train.
Written by: BASTA, 9 Feb 2012 9:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
No photos allowed when he goes to Juan Dolio and his wife goes off to La Romana. He is not alone!
Written by: Atabey, 9 Feb 2012 9:23 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: Pedrin, 9 Feb 2012 8:55 AM
From: United States

Firing half of these leeches would be a good start. Then start working on the lower ranks. There is no reason for the DR to have such a large military. It's just a gravy train."

Simply GIVE EACH A METAL FOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AND retire half the numbers to start AND DON'T REPLACE THEM! Then do the same the next year. What these guys do is serve to increase corruption in the nation. There's simply no reason for a small nation like the DR to have so many generals and other higher brass in uniform. Also stipulate that in order to merit promotion into any higher rank above Sargent, a member has to complete certified studies [abroad].
Written by: generoso, 9 Feb 2012 9:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****

Statement was designed for populist purposes, and to rally support from the members of the military that feel left out.
Be looking out for more gratuitous and undeserved military rank promotions, come February 27 TH, as his last gesture of farewell for his military buddies.
You weren't thinking that he was actually stating a public "mea culpa", did you?
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 9:46 AM
From: Australia
BASTA,
So cheating on your wife is a "sexual perversion"? Then much of this country is perverted. Still, just because he is a good-looking, wealthy Dominican male, there is still a remote possibility he is faithful. Do you have evidence to the contrary?


Written by: Atabey, 9 Feb 2012 9:51 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Basta and Josean throw stuff and seldom back them up, although josean does make at least attempts, and in some cases actually does achieve some hits. The sexual proclivities of people have no business in politics if they involve adults. Punto.
Written by: hernandez5482, 9 Feb 2012 10:05 AM
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
There is corruption at all ranks, what we need is to dismantle the disgraceful National Guard and start a new branch of the military with capable Dominican people, I personally rather see a smaller army composed by honest people that can follow and ethics code, better paid and at least a High School diploma to enroll; with educational benefits as well, this will eliminate illiterate folks from become part of the military. Trust me the size and population of DR call for no more than 15,000 ground troops and maybe one or two mechanized units.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 9 Feb 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland


{"Simply GIVE EACH A METAL FOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AND retire half the numbers to start AND DON'T REPLACE THEM!...... Also stipulate that in order to merit promotion into any higher rank above Sargent, a member has to complete certified studies aboard."} (abroad)?

Exactly, Mr. Atabey!
Make them earn the promotion! Check to see that measures are placed, so that they don't cheat!
They'll be solely responsible for the promotion. Betcha, many will go back to school.....that is, if they've ever been to school!
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 10:50 AM
From: Australia
Dream on, guys. Nice thoughts but you know damn well it ain't gonna happen, regardless of who wins the election.

Wealthy countries need the military to protect them from poor countries with imperialist intentions.
Poor countries need the military to protect the privilege of the wealthy minority.

This country's greatest defense is the fact that apart from a couple of mines and a few remaining pristine beaches, there is nothing worth invading this country for (other than stemming the tide of criminals and illicit-drugs entering their country). Short of extermination (not good for world opinion these days) how would the victors deal with an uneducated, lazy, corrupt population?


Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 11:07 AM
From: Australia
I went to the Altagracia Funny-hat Parade in the Higuey Bacilica, 21st January last, and there were more generals and admirals than you could poke a bishops-crook at - very impressive. However the rank-and-file guard of honor was mediocre to say the most. If this is an indication of this country's defense capability, then any country with a dug-out canoe and a machete could pose a major threat.
Written by: guillermone, 9 Feb 2012 11:54 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

About Leonel’s sexual escapades, I don't think anyone would dare bring out any substantial evidence with the intent to defame and discredit the reputation of our omnipotent leader and savior. The only person need be concerned if an alleged claim of philandering is valid would be his wife and partner in crime and should be of no concern to anyone else.

Nevertheless, I once heard rumors from someone who was once closely associated to King Leo and privy to much behind-the-scenes workings of the president's office and all he could say is the man always had at least two spare tires in case of a flat. The king had a voracious appetite and lost the taste for home cooked meals. But that should be of no surprise, whether true or not this is a typical characteristic for men in power and is not necessarily endemic to the DR but throughout history and all over the world. So if true, leave the man alone, it is no ones business what he does behind closed doors.
Written by: Pedrin, 9 Feb 2012 1:43 PM
From: United States
Leonel has a few on the side. I'm shocked. Must be because of all the time he spent in NYC,
Written by: WalterPolo, 9 Feb 2012 2:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Is he about to admit the 2008 crisis in the US did have an effect in DR?

Somebody must have given him a shot of truth serum.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 2:04 PM
From: Australia
guillermone, states "his is a typical characteristic for men in power and is not necessarily endemic to the DR but throughout history and all over the world." He is absolutely correct.

If Leo is unfaithful it is not common knowledge. If he is discrete and does not rub it in the country's face, then we have nothing to complain about. Despite expectations to the contrary, the Monica Lowinski affair did not hurt Clinton's political career or popularity one bit. I was in Ukraine at the time and he became a sex-symbol with the ladies there overnight.

In all Hominid communities, including Homo sapiens sapiens until recently (and continuing in some cultures) the dominant male gets to fertilize all the females, while the other males miss out, until one is brave and strong enough to challenge him and become the new dominant male. Monogamy is a relatively recent invention. I'm not knocking it, but telling you it is not in our genes.

Written by: guillermone, 9 Feb 2012 2:33 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

"Monogamy is a relatively recent invention. I'm not knocking it, but telling you it is not in our genes."

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!

Now come over and try to explain that to my spouse. I have been attempting to convince her of that but some how she just does not get..............I need to make her understand...........Goodness gracious !!!!
Written by: Chompiras, 9 Feb 2012 2:53 PM
From: United States, Rapidos Grandes area, Michigan
Yep. We need more ass alright.
Written by: gmiller261, 9 Feb 2012 3:00 PM
From: United States

Does NOTHING embarrass a Dominican?

After 12 years of office and this is the best this empty suit can come up with? “because he noticed inequality within the same categories.”

LF does not have the credentials to be a President.

So he admits it is all a big joke, but NOTHING will be done about it. Just more Dominican talk, talk, talk.

Pathetic.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 9 Feb 2012 4:32 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

{" Monogamy is a relatively recent invention. I'm not knocking it, but telling you it is not in our genes."}

So true. Mr. Sapiens. But tell me, what do you think compel most of us to a life of monogamy?
I mean, if it's contrary to our genetical make-up, then, what's your take on this odd, characteristics reversal?
Just asking.
Written by: Escott, 9 Feb 2012 6:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
A life of monogamy is just fine when you are old and it just don't matter anymore:)

To me "To each their own" but for me if I make a committment I stand by it. Just saying...
Written by: BASTA, 9 Feb 2012 7:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
The sexual proclivities of people have no business in politics if they involve adults. Punto.=
But this Kaffa aint good looking unless Roy you like the guys. Watching Spartacus last week and there was a person who was asking to get plugged while he was plugging away. So blame the Italians??
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 7:38 PM
From: Australia
BASTA,
Since I am not Dominican, I do not have doubts about my own heterosexuality, so I do not need to prove I'm a macho-man by being homophobic. Having said that, do you think Hippo is better looking? Leo is not as fat, ugly and mean-looking as a lot of M-Fs I have seen here, and he dresses well. Okay? So go back and form a circle if you're feeling left out.


Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 7:40 PM
From: Australia
guillermone,
Tell your wife that is she's getting enough, why should she worry about what you do with the excess.
(then duck for cover)
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 8:01 PM
From: Australia
Ron asks "what's your take on this odd, characteristics reversal?"

Much of what we do, call it civilization if you will, is in defiance of what our DNA would prefer. Monogamy has some practical advantages. DNA doesn't care about happiness etc., is amoral and has evolved with one objective, proliferation and dominance - survival of he fittest.

The meme of Catholicism promises happiness, and has no interest in fitness, or quality, only the quantity of obedient tithe-payers. Monogamy and the absence of effective contraception, provides the best system for producing and raising children to reproductive age.

The meme of capitalism also benefits from monogamy in a similar way - providing the fastest sustainable birthrate and an insatiable appetite for consumption, and the commitment to slave for it.

Both memes have convinced us that monogamy, rather than doing what comes naturally, is the path to heaven on earth and beyond.

Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2012 8:05 PM
From: Australia
Let me ask a hypothetical question;
who wouldn't boink that real cutie at the office if they could, and get away with it, scott-free? 75% of guys say "yes". The other 25% are lying, even to themselves. You may be surprised at the number of women who would also say yes.
Ahh but that's another story.

Written by: RoyStone, 10 Feb 2012 12:01 AM
From: Australia
The ceremony was the occasion of Leo receiving, on behalf of the Dominican Republic, the certificate from the World Guinness Book of Records, for the country with proportionately the most generals in the world. This was not publicized after someone whispered in his ear that this was actually not something to brag about.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 10 Feb 2012 7:00 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

“Both memes have convinced us that monogamy, rather than doing what comes naturally, is the path to heaven on earth and beyond.”

“Doing what comes naturally” isn't natural, at least, not in this day and age. Religion and Dawkins’ flight of fancy, aside, it’s clearly evident that the more enlightened cultures have evolved to conclude that the real rewards of monogamy are in the conservation of trust within the family and society at large. It is a safer crap-shoot to reject the tendency for adultery, no matter the odds for success, than to conserve the status quo.
Men and women, especially men, are naturally bent to polygamy and to fantasies about rape and domination. That is still true today, especially in the less sophisticated societies in the third world; DR, being a prime example..However, this cultural transmission is more of a question of a lack of parental and formal schooling, than that of a genetic predisposition. The ambivalence is a no-brainer for civilized ones.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Feb 2012 7:43 PM
From: Australia
Ron, you state that "the more enlightened cultures have evolved" - that is exactly the point. Culture, civilization, communications and technology evolve very rapidly, compared to our genetic make-up which evolves very slowly by comparison. Genetically we are no different from thousands of years ago, whereas we can see significant changes in civilization in much less than one generation.

Dawkins does not say we should obey our DNA, quite the opposite. He is only saying we neglect what is underneath the thin vale of civilization to our peril. Morality means living our lives to everyone's benefit, and not letting our DNA take over, or letting mindless religious dogma rule either.
Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 10 Feb 2012 9:23 PM
From: United States, NJ
hernandez5482:

I would go a step further .Demilitarized the entire country like Costa Rica did in 1933. Haiti is not

a threat to the country..Just in case keep the military academies open and find frutfull civilian jobs

related to their (MOS) MILITARY OCCUPATION SPECIALTIES.Those retired prsonnels officers

only.Keep them on reserve status w/o using their military privilege or title except upon deployment

as we do here with our national guards and no pay except the one they get been productive as a

civilian.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Feb 2012 10:38 PM
From: Australia
Agree, Thelmo, but you and I know it will never happen.
The Dominican Republic could easily have a defense pact with USA (if there isn't one already).
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 10 Feb 2012 11:27 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

" technology evolve very rapidly, compared to our genetic make-up which evolves very slowly by comparison."

I see what you mean, and I thank you for setting me straight. However, there's one issue I need to shine light into:....I think we may have come to an end in our genetic progression. We won't become any more adept at anything other than to further science from the knowledge gleamed from it. I believe that we are now sufficiently capable of figuring the most intricate of mysteries in our journey throught reality.
I think survival of our species will now depend on infusing knowledge where there isn't.
Hopefully, humanity will soon rise out of the darkness caused by the present mind-set and the dearth in education made by those that are oblivious to its' value. .. If not, in the long run, none of us will survive ignorance. Extinction, is a probable outcome.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Feb 2012 11:53 PM
From: Australia
Ron I don't share your optimism. We are slipping back into another Dark Ages and this time humanity won't pull out. Religious fundamentalism is on the increase. The golden age of science is almost over. Superstition is on its way back in, along with bigotry, racism, censorship and oppression. Some countries are getting smarter, but the dumb ones are growing faster. Fundamentalist Evangelism in on the rise in the most powerful nation in the world, and science and free thought is under attack. Then we have the cancer of Islam infecting the whole planet.
Perhaps a small number will survive and start again, I don't know or care (I'll be long gone). Regardless this planet can't sustain 7 Billion people, yet our economies rely on unending growth. Biodiversity takes millions of years to evolve and we have wiped out masses in a few decades.
Sorry.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 11 Feb 2012 1:34 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

" I don't share your optimism. We are slipping back into another Dark Ages."

I can't dispute that... But can't help myself into thinking, hoping that you're wrong, and that, we, as a species, can survive the coming environmental disaster, unmistakably evidenced by the way we treat our earth; taking, and not putting anything back in.
There's always an answer, it is said. I wonder what that could be?
Written by: guillermone, 12 Feb 2012 4:00 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

It is a natural human instinct to survive and stay alive. Humans are the most resilient of species. There aint nothing else quite like us. We have each and every time almost always figured out a way to bounce right back. There aint nothing stopping us now and dont you dare think otherwise.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Feb 2012 9:10 AM
From: Australia
guillermone,
Unfortunately your optimism is not supported by reality. Only during our lifetime has mankind had the technology to obliterate civilization with the press of a button. Most of the destruction of the environment and bio-diversity has occurred within the last 100 years. Homo sapiens have been around about 150,000 years. It is very unlikely we will survive more than another 1,000 years. Our technology is very smart and powerful but we are still stupid. The vast majority of us believe there is an invisible man in the sky with a preference for our particular group.
Written by: guillermone, 13 Feb 2012 2:02 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Humans are like roaches, you just cant get rid of them regardless of how great the effort. No matter how much you try to kill and obliterate them one or two manage to survive and keep the human species species going.

Two atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan and still many people managed to survive. The Chernobyl nuclear disaster in the Soviet Union has four hundred times more radioactive material released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And it was not until much later that the government decided to evacuate 350,400 people yet the fatalities were comparatively minimal for the extent of the accident. Again humans managed to excape one of the world worst enviromental accidents in history.

There are plenty of natural disasters such as as earth quakes, Tsunamis , tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, volcano eruptions, Wildfires, plagues, famines, blizzards, landslides, snow storms, freezing-arctic weather, heat waves, avalanches, communicable desease
Written by: guillermone, 13 Feb 2012 2:04 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
We can only determine the future by what has happened in the past. The past has shown we can bounce right back. We were not made to disaspear and become extinct. It is just not in our nature.
We want to mate and spread the seed and keep our genes alive and going.
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Feb 2012 2:35 AM
From: Australia
guillermone,
The atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rated in kilo-tons and killed about 200,000
Hydrogen bombs are rated in mega-tons and in 1985 the number of these peaked at 65,000. Do the sums and tell me how many would survive the heat and the blasts, forget abut residual radiation. The Chernobyl disaster killed fewer people than Dominicans murder of their own in a month. It is irrelevant.

Regardless I'm not talking about the total extinction of humanity, but the return to another Dark Age, much deeper than the last. Humans may be resilient but not nearly as smart as you think. Without our infrastructure, technology and institutions, where still just animals.
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