Josean and his gang will stoop to all possible means to try and dissuade the public from making the sound decision to reelect the PLD.

But it will not be.

The possibility that we have had an inordinate amount of rain on a already over taxed and poorly maintained system couldn’t possibly have anything to with it I suppose!


But of course the useless METRO was the priority!

Goodness! Is this what Dominican politics has stooped to? Really?

Written by: montesino,
"Goodness! Is this was Dominican politics has stooped to? Really?"

Haven't you read any of Josean's Posts?

He is the prototype of a PRD moocher who will stoop to below gutter level to get a piece of what Hippo and his cronies will steal if elected.

ALPHA66 how is that Communist Sofa you bought at IKEA holding up?

At some point we've got to give the whole METRO thing a break. From the looks of it -- some people are benefiting from the service it provides. Can't let the bearded guy who runs the conchos rule the country forever.

"some people are benefiting from the service it provides"

That's the problem just "some people!"


0.5% of the national population and at best 2% of those living in Cuidad Fernandez!


Meanwhile a 100% of the countries children get shafted on EDUCATION.


Doesn't seem right, that for the minor convenience of a few neighborhoods in the "Glorious Capital," the great majority in the entire country suffers a backward third world EDUATION!

That's just it -- I don't believe that one initiative has to come at the expense of another. It's true -- at minimum 4% should be devoted to education. My sense is, however, that if we can reduce the level of institutional corruption (present regardless of party in power) even the slightest bit, the 4% goal could be easily met and surpassed.

Again ..
Josier Hiede vivo and his PPH gang are trying to sabotage the elections few days before the great party..

And he now got a new topic: communist sofa and USEless metros..The metro is everything but useless... In fact I think it's over use by the amount of people that use it.. The only useless things are Josie Hiede Vivo comments

Dont waste your time Josie Hiede Vivo..


Come to the progress..

PLD 2012-3000

:)

"I don't believe that one initiative has to come at the expense of another."


You talk like we are the US or Germany with large resources to keep several mega projects afloat at once.

We are a country that’s near or at the bottom of most international recognized social indicators of development; particular with the one most important of all for development, EDUCATION!

Josean,
If your logic held true -- we wouldn't even build roads or make any sort of infrastructure improvements because they would be considered too costly or ill timed. All governments have to balance social needs against infrastructure needs. Big projects are important even for small nations such as the DR. Heck, what are we, 10 million or so in population? Man, if we had better transparancy as to where government revenue went, and we had a smidging of less corruption, our standard of living would almost certainly be at the same level, or at least very close to that of fully developed first world countries.

You've got to shed some of this hate you hold for the current government. From my perspective it's not letting you think straight. I don't mean that as a slight -- I mean that from a genuine sense. You've got to stop with all this "lie-nel" stuff and METRO diatribes. Make a difference, use the medium you've given -- say something constructive....

"Written by: montesino, 8 May 2012 6:03 PM
From: United States

Josean,

If your logic held true -- we wouldn't even build roads or make any sort of infrastructure improvements because they would be considered too costly or ill timed. All governments have to balance social needs against infrastructure needs. Big projects are important even for small nations such as the DR. Heck, what are we, 10 million or so in population? Man, if we had better transparency as to where government revenue went, and we had a smidgin of less corruption, our standard of living would almost certainly be at the same level, or at least very close to that of fully developed first world countries."

I've tried many times to imprint that same logic into Josean, But he will not budge from his eternal anti-PLD drama.

As to your suggestion that if "we had a smidgin of less corruption, our standard of living would almost certainly be at the same level,

or at least very close to that of fully developed first world countries."

I don't fully agree. Yes, our standard of living would be higher and noticeably for the lower classes, far better than we have today. But First World Standards? I still think we have a long ways to go. Our GDP is around the 7 K mark PP and even if we had a GINI Coefficient of say .40, low for our region, it would still leave many people far below First World Standards.

But your point is well taken. Much more could be done with the resources at hand. Now the IMF and World Bank are trying to get the incoming administration to tackle some tough but necessary changes to the way in which we operate. More and better tax collection, less exemptions, MORE TRANSPARENCY, less market distorting practices, less energy theft from all sectors!!!, etc.

Let's hope that Medina carries forth many of these suggestions in his terms in office. An opportunity rich environment in DR should be the GOAL.

EDUCATION First then everything else will follow!

Josean,

Read what he said. You think that education IS everything. That's your fundamentalist mind at work. Legacy deficiencies in Education AND OTHER sectors NEED to be addressed concurrently. Of what use is it to have HS graduates if YOU HAVE POOR OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MARKET ENVIRONMENT?

Montesino,


I see the PLD as the Biggest Threat to Dominican Democracy since Trujillo, therefore they most be attacked 24/7 365!

You may have a diffrent view and I respect that as you must respect mine!

Isn't "The MARKET" GLOBAL?


Why do American Corporations go to India for engineers or to set up companies because they have METROS or WORLD CLASS EDUCATED people ?

And who ever takes over from Lionel will have to start to pay the IMF piper as they call the tune.
More taxes, so we can 'all' pay for (with interest) the Lionel Metro Line and Santo Domingo gets a little taste of New York for the select few that will greatly benifit. Perhaps history will show it was a good move but then again maybe history will show that all social infrastructure should not be concentrated in one city in a fairly small advancing country. Haiti has had one disaster after another with every thing of a progressive nature concentrated in one city, even before the earth quake rendered it nearly unliveable.

SD will have another million or so people by 2025 and the transportation logistics of the place have been dreadful for decades! So just imagine what it would be like in 2025... There are worthy arguments as to whether or not the choice of the Metro over say a Tram-like system as is being built in San Jose, Costa Rica and other places in Latin America would have been a cheaper and more viable option. But that debate is largely over as the first two lines of the Metro are almost completely built. The buses that will greatly assist the transfers between stations and east-west, north-south routes will be coming in-line shortly and one needs to think this system was built with solid intentions to facilitate movement in SD.

Are there many areas in great need of development in DR? 100% correct. Sadly we don't have billions of dollars in reserves to make everything happen all at once. It will take several decades more of sacrifice to achieve a better DR.

But the foundations are being put into place. South Korea, Chile and many other successful modernizers have taken 30-40 years to achieve modernity and have still, especially in the Southern Cone nation, some ways to go. So DR will not be doing so in any shorter time frame. If anything, it will take more time, given our prior underdevelopment and marked difficulties with accepting sustained efforts to that end.

EDUCATION is the LOCOMTIVE that pulls ALL the trains of Social Development.

Everybody knows that, but the PURPLE FANATICS knowing the step it in Shit with putting the METRO Cart before the EDUCATION Horse will argue the contrary, rather than admitting they made a mistake, even if it makes them look like intellectual ASSES!

"SD will have another million or so people by 2025 and the transportation logistics of the place have been dreadful for decades! So just imagine what it would be like in 2025..."


Why is that?
Because we have no rational development plan for the ENTIRE nation.

People only see "development" in Cuidad Fernandez so they come in droves looking for the Dominnican Dream to live in La Capita!.

If we had a more equitable distribution of devolvement resources through the country led by a world class National EDUCATION program the hordes of the desperate would not come to create more slums in Santo Calcutta.


The over population of Santo Domingo is not inevitable it just requires the Will to embark on a sustainable ecological friendly no corrupt development.

"The over population of Santo Domingo is not inevitable it just requires the Will to embark on a sustainable ecological friendly no corrupt development." Josean

Not even the richest nations on earth have those two ingredients Josean! And you demand that from a small developing nation? LOL

I know you have a tough time with REALITY but if you indeed want what's best for DR then JOBS PROMOTION and developing an ENVIRONMENT CONDUCIVE TO OPPORTUNITIES ARE THE WAY FORWARD.

Those Ports and hopefully connecting South-North and eventually West-East Railroads will together with better access roads into the heartland (Cibao) areas of DR facilitate a strong export driven economy in the near term (5-10 yrs). But it will take strong determined effort by the State and Nation to continue on the path of development. Education is an important part of the mix, but IT is NOT the sole part. Correct the errors of your way and perhaps you'll see the forest for the trees.

Never said EDUCATION was the "sole part" Mr. Distorter!

This is what I said:


"EDUCATION is the LOCOMTIVE that pulls ALL the trains of Social Development."


It is you who can't see the forest from the FUNGOLDE sel-serving Bull Shit!