Santo Domingo.- Venezuela ambassador Alfredo Murga on Wednesday rebuked statements by his pars from 12 countries on Dominican republic’s electoral process.
For the diplomat local elections and political processes are internal matters of the Dominican people, for which his or any other government mustn’t cast doubts as to how they’re being handled. “We don’t offer advice… we don’t participate in events which are precisely the sovereignty of the Dominican State.”
The statement was Murga’s response to reporters’ who asked him if he was invited to the National Palace meeting with president Leonel Fernandez and 12 ambassadors Tuesday.
“What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
The ambassadors from the U.S., Raul Yzaguirre, and from Canada, Todd Kuiack stated their concern for the violence marring the electoral campaign and voiced their expectation on the need for transparency.
Written by: RonEvane 
, 9 May 2012 12:20 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
Well, I hope so, too! But that does not happen in DR. What we need is a strong presence by the OAS to oversee this election and make sure it is a "transparent and democratic" process.
Mr. Murga advocates "sovereignty" simply to validate Chavez's government and justify the reason for his tyrannical rule. I sure hope the cancer afflicting Chavez, will cure democracy in Venezuela!
Written by: RoyStone, 9 May 2012 12:29 PM
From: Australia
Who or what are "pars"? Maybe "powers"?
Written by: DaveB, 9 May 2012 12:34 PM
From: United States
Peers, I bet. Google translate+local accent, maybe?
Written by: riosm, 9 May 2012 1:36 PM
From: United States
Because they do this in Venezuela....yeah, right, sure.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 May 2012 1:41 PM
From: Australia
Maybe he doesn't want other countries criticizing electoral fraud in the Dominican Republic because they might start criticizing electoral fraud in his country too?
Written by: MannyTav, 9 May 2012 2:04 PM
From: United States
pars has to be peers... DR is just another place where rich and powerful do what they do. Anybody really surprise that there's fraud here? Please, check USA voter fraud; they're just more sophisticated about it. At the end of the day, same result.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
No ..they use the word par here as his equals ,,so ,, as he is an ambassador he is rebuking the other ambassadors ,,they are his pars .
In this particular case I totally agree with him ,,Dominican elections are not particularly bad and it is very easy to pick faults in the processes of every country .
From: United States
"political processes are internal matters of the Dominican people"
WTF.
Pull your head out of your ass. The 1% tell the 99% what is happening.
Written by: anthonyC, 9 May 2012 4:37 PM
From: United States
Written by: gmiller261,
Pull your head out of your ass. The 1% tell the 99% what is happening.
While I totally disagree with that statement I don't deny I wish it was true.
Written by: juanb, 9 May 2012 7:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
These elections will be transparent in the fraud committed, nothing else.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 May 2012 7:28 PM
From: Australia
When a country is so indebted to other countries, then those countries have a right to insist on, amongst other things, a democratically elected government. The Dominican Republic is not North Korea, but seems to have a penchant for dictatorships.
Written by: Trujillo, 9 May 2012 11:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The DR is not Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Bolivia or Argentina. In the DR people vote to punish the other party, not because of ideological populism.
Written by: airgordo, 10 May 2012 1:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 9 May 2012 7:28 PM
From: Australia
When a country is so indebted to other countries, then those countries have a right to insist on, amongst other things, a democratically elected government. The Dominican Republic is not North Korea, but seems to have a penchant for dictatorships
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So i guess that i could use the same logic for countries that are INDEBTED to their eyeballs as well, right?? by the way how much debt does Australia has right now?
Written by: airgordo, 10 May 2012 1:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The Ambassador statement is TRU, but even if they were to "advice" Venezuela has the SECOND seat or level of importance right after the USA for this country economy...
Written by: RoyStone, 10 May 2012 3:54 AM
From: Australia
Yes, airgordo,
The Australian government is indebted to Australian corporations, banks and citizens in the form of government bonds, and is completely accountable to them. Most years, the government budget is in surplus, not deficit. When was the last time the Dominican government was in surplus - never?
Written by: airgordo, 10 May 2012 9:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Under Trujillo there was surplus...so i guess then that Australia does NOT deals with the IMF, World Bank, etc etc...
Written by: RoyStone, 10 May 2012 10:28 AM
From: Australia
airgordo,
Australia is a democracy. Under Trujillo, the Dominican Republic was a kelptocracy. It still is.
Written by: elagente, 10 May 2012 11:57 AM
From: Canada
Maybe he was not "invited"!
The truth is that those ambassadors are very worried because they know that the mafia headed by Leonel y Felix have A BIG FRAUD ready. They know that Danilo is around 40% and Hipolito 52%. But that corrupt mafia want to keep the power at any price, which will bring a big chaos and blood on the streets.
please read at Realpolitica.com
"What is going to happen in May 20"
to see what will happen in DR.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
The OAS overseeing the election will prove nothing. The real fact is the votes have been bought and paid for before people go to vote. I have already heard of several people promised money if they can bring X number of people to vote for their party plus the promise of a job if their candidate wins.
The OAS can only oversee the fact that voters are allowed to vote but they cannot tell whether the vote cast is a voluntary decision on the part of the individual or because his vote has been purchased before hand.
The unfortunate aspect of this is that it only goes to prove that corruption exists at all levels, from the top to the bottom. Anyone accepting a bribe for his or her vote is as corrupt as the party offering the bribe and is only looking to gain personally as the expense of the country as a whole.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 May 2012 12:58 PM
From: Australia
Absolutely, Adrian29630, +1
Written by: airgordo, 10 May 2012 6:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Adrian29630, 10 May 2012 12:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
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You are 100% RIGHT, the only way to stop that from happening is that people vote on mases, so the numbers that these people bring will become way less important.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 May 2012 7:08 PM
From: Australia
Corrupt politicians, corrupt voters - deserve each other.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
IN OTHER WORDS HE SAYING SI ESO DOMINICANOS IDIOTAS VOTAN POR ESE HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA HIPOLITO , NO VAMOS VOLANDO POR QUE HUGO NO LE GUSTA ESE CABRON.
Written by: RonEvane , 10 May 2012 11:30 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Under Trujillo, the Dominican Republic was a kelptocracy. It still is.
---Klepto--- (combining form of Greek kléptes thief) + -mania
"Kleptocracy"?....Alright , maybe....Lexicon, you think?
Written by: airgordo, 11 May 2012 4:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: hellborn25, 10 May 2012 11:17 PM
From: United States, new jersey
What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
IN OTHER WORDS HE SAYING SI ESO DOMINICANOS IDIOTAS VOTAN POR ESE HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA HIPOLITO , NO VAMOS VOLANDO POR QUE HUGO NO LE GUSTA ESE CABRON
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AFTER wikileaks undressed Leonel's hypocresy against Chavez i don't think so...
Written by: RoyStone, 11 May 2012 5:14 PM
From: Australia
Ron,
"Kleptocracy, (from Greek: ???pt?? - kleptes, "thief" and ???t?? - kratos, "power, rule", hence "rule by thieves") is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. This type of government corruption is often achieved by the embezzlement of state funds"
Perhaps "narcokleptocracy" - a society ruled by "thieves" involved in the trade of narcotics could apply here also?
The term has its origin in a report prepared by a subcommittee of the United States Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. The term was used specifically to describe the regime of Manuel Noriega in Panama.
Written by: RonEvane , 11 May 2012 6:03 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Oh, OK. It's just that I had never heard, thieves in government, referred to in this manner!
It does fit well. Thanks for the enlightement.
From: Dominican Republic
a lo estilo hipolito mejia:
un periodista le dice al señor presidente que la calle esta dura entonces el contesta pues que cojan la acera
señor presidente los huevos estan caro hipolito contesta tu sabe el trabajo que le da a una gallina poner un huevo.
señor presidente el arroz esta caro,el presidente le contesta cuenta los granos de arroz que tu te vas a comer por 14 pesos.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 May 2012 2:32 AM
From: Australia
Ron,
I first heard the term in the Philippines referring to the Marcos government. I thought you might find it interesting that In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released the following "top ten" (in $ US)
1 Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
2 Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
3 Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
4 Former Nigerian Head of State Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
5 Former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan Miloševic ($1 billion)
6 Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
7 Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
8 Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
9 Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10 Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million)
Written by: RoyStone, 12 May 2012 2:38 AM
From: Australia
In addition, other sources have listed former PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat as having stolen $1 billion to $10 billion; and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to have received kickbacks on contracts and misappropriating public funds, siphoning over $2 billion to his Swiss accounts. Former Argentine president Nestor Kirchner (deceased) never fully accounted for an estimated US$ 1 billion that went missing from the public purse of Santa Cruz province during his tenure as provincial governor.
Maybe Trujillo was to long ago to get a mention? Perhaps percentage of each country's GDP would be a better measure of crookedness.
Written by: RonEvane , 12 May 2012 10:55 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Truly amazing what a despot can pilfer! I wonder how much more Chavez has stashed away so far?....And for that matter, the current DR government!?
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
AFTER wikileaks undressed Leonel's hypocresy against Chavez i don't think so...
Cared to share what leonel said about chavez , because I never heard of this before.
Written by: airgordo, 16 May 2012 1:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic
it is right there on the 2,000 wiki leaks, i have read hundreds of them...you can find a lot on acento.com.do
Written by: RoyStone, 16 May 2012 3:32 AM
From: Australia
All debts will be forgiven when Chavez' cancer miraculously disappears resulting from the dedicated service in the chapel in Fernandez' palace, conducted by the good cardinal Jesus recently.
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"What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
Well, I hope so, too! But that does not happen in DR. What we need is a strong presence by the OAS to oversee this election and make sure it is a "transparent and democratic" process.
Mr. Murga advocates "sovereignty" simply to validate Chavez's government and justify the reason for his tyrannical rule. I sure hope the cancer afflicting Chavez, will cure democracy in Venezuela!
In this particular case I totally agree with him ,,Dominican elections are not particularly bad and it is very easy to pick faults in the processes of every country .
"political processes are internal matters of the Dominican people"
WTF.
Pull your head out of your ass. The 1% tell the 99% what is happening.
Pull your head out of your ass. The 1% tell the 99% what is happening.
While I totally disagree with that statement I don't deny I wish it was true.
These elections will be transparent in the fraud committed, nothing else.
From: Australia
When a country is so indebted to other countries, then those countries have a right to insist on, amongst other things, a democratically elected government. The Dominican Republic is not North Korea, but seems to have a penchant for dictatorships
---
So i guess that i could use the same logic for countries that are INDEBTED to their eyeballs as well, right?? by the way how much debt does Australia has right now?
The Australian government is indebted to Australian corporations, banks and citizens in the form of government bonds, and is completely accountable to them. Most years, the government budget is in surplus, not deficit. When was the last time the Dominican government was in surplus - never?
Australia is a democracy. Under Trujillo, the Dominican Republic was a kelptocracy. It still is.
The truth is that those ambassadors are very worried because they know that the mafia headed by Leonel y Felix have A BIG FRAUD ready. They know that Danilo is around 40% and Hipolito 52%. But that corrupt mafia want to keep the power at any price, which will bring a big chaos and blood on the streets.
please read at Realpolitica.com
"What is going to happen in May 20"
to see what will happen in DR.
The OAS can only oversee the fact that voters are allowed to vote but they cannot tell whether the vote cast is a voluntary decision on the part of the individual or because his vote has been purchased before hand.
The unfortunate aspect of this is that it only goes to prove that corruption exists at all levels, from the top to the bottom. Anyone accepting a bribe for his or her vote is as corrupt as the party offering the bribe and is only looking to gain personally as the expense of the country as a whole.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
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You are 100% RIGHT, the only way to stop that from happening is that people vote on mases, so the numbers that these people bring will become way less important.
IN OTHER WORDS HE SAYING SI ESO DOMINICANOS IDIOTAS VOTAN POR ESE HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA HIPOLITO , NO VAMOS VOLANDO POR QUE HUGO NO LE GUSTA ESE CABRON.
Under Trujillo, the Dominican Republic was a kelptocracy. It still is.
---Klepto--- (combining form of Greek kléptes thief) + -mania
"Kleptocracy"?....Alright , maybe....Lexicon, you think?
From: United States, new jersey
What we do is to have our strongest hope, our best wishes, so that on May 20, and that’s what we feel is going to happen, the Dominican people choose their leaders in democracy and with transparency.”
IN OTHER WORDS HE SAYING SI ESO DOMINICANOS IDIOTAS VOTAN POR ESE HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA HIPOLITO , NO VAMOS VOLANDO POR QUE HUGO NO LE GUSTA ESE CABRON
---
AFTER wikileaks undressed Leonel's hypocresy against Chavez i don't think so...
"Kleptocracy, (from Greek: ???pt?? - kleptes, "thief" and ???t?? - kratos, "power, rule", hence "rule by thieves") is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. This type of government corruption is often achieved by the embezzlement of state funds"
Perhaps "narcokleptocracy" - a society ruled by "thieves" involved in the trade of narcotics could apply here also?
The term has its origin in a report prepared by a subcommittee of the United States Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. The term was used specifically to describe the regime of Manuel Noriega in Panama.
Oh, OK. It's just that I had never heard, thieves in government, referred to in this manner!
It does fit well. Thanks for the enlightement.
un periodista le dice al señor presidente que la calle esta dura entonces el contesta pues que cojan la acera
señor presidente los huevos estan caro hipolito contesta tu sabe el trabajo que le da a una gallina poner un huevo.
señor presidente el arroz esta caro,el presidente le contesta cuenta los granos de arroz que tu te vas a comer por 14 pesos.
I first heard the term in the Philippines referring to the Marcos government. I thought you might find it interesting that In early 2004, the anti-corruption Germany-based NGO Transparency International released the following "top ten" (in $ US)
1 Former Indonesian President Suharto ($15 billion – $35 billion)
2 Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos ($5 billion – $10 billion)
3 Former Zairian President Mobutu Sese Seko ($5 billion)
4 Former Nigerian Head of State Sani Abacha ($2 billion – $5 billion)
5 Former Yugoslav and Serbian President Slobodan Miloševic ($1 billion)
6 Former Haitian President Jean-Claude Duvalier ($300 million – $800 million)
7 Former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori ($600 million)
8 Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko ($114 million – $200 million)
9 Former Nicaraguan President Arnoldo Alemán ($100 million)
10 Former Philippine President Joseph Estrada ($78 million)
Maybe Trujillo was to long ago to get a mention? Perhaps percentage of each country's GDP would be a better measure of crookedness.
Truly amazing what a despot can pilfer! I wonder how much more Chavez has stashed away so far?....And for that matter, the current DR government!?
Cared to share what leonel said about chavez , because I never heard of this before.