For people like Roy, here's some evidence that Dominicans can and do make sacrifices.


Hope this young man makes a full recovery.

He is still probably safer in Afghanistan than coming to DR:

From the front page of the“anti”PLD Newspaper and a favorite of the Purple Clapping Seals at DT:
Listin Diario

RAÚL YSAGUIRRE

US Ambassador says that if the robberies continue at the Aeropuerto Internacional Las Américas (AILA), he will issue a new warning to US citizens

THE EMBASSY PLACED A NOTICE ON ITS SITE IN WHICH WARNS THAT ROBBERS TEND TO BET AT THE EXIT OF THE AIRPORT

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¡Querían Moraó, Cojan Moraó!

W. Perez is lucky it wasn't in DR..In the Dario they would've amputate to try to save the grenade..

"W. Perez is lucky it wasn't in DR..In the Dario they would've amputate to try to save the grenade.."


Mrynot,


You have earned a nomination to Dread's Hall of Famous Quotable phrases at DT!

it's an honor just to be nominated.

Another brainwashed victim trying to get a scholarship, injured in a useless war and who didn't even know why he was there or what the war was about and was told he was fighting for freedom. Freedom for the US military industrial complex to make billions of dollars at his expense and the expense of US taxpayers, while the war mongering thugs in Washington continue to feast. God Bless the USA ! Hooray !!!

First of all this shows everyone in the world that a US military nurse and the ex plosive ex pert.put there lives on the line for this young Dominician.Now what to you say about the Americans now. T hese 2 guys should get a medal for savings this man.

Good look Perez, don't be discourage by the many Haitians in the DR, we'll take care of them when the time is right!!

One of the biggest terrorist in D.r. is Josean,, maybe he should go to D.r. and chase the a** of those ultra extremist terrorist!

Protect those opium crops for global markets even if it costs an arm and a leg. The shipment must go through.

tomito, we have had many disagreements on this board, but this time i could not agree with you more. he does not even know why he is there is a very telling statement.

Well, Dread if you and I can sometimes agree, then it's safe to conclude not all hope is lost in this world.

Tomito,

We should NOT be so quick to demonize these young lads that sacrifice, the ultimate:life, whatever our political views. Have you or the Dready above actually read what this young man believes about the war or his other political views?


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Atabey, if you read my post carefully, you would see that I am not demonizing him but instead called him a victim of the system, if he really knew he probably would not be wasting his time and/or risking his life there for the benefit of the US military industrial complex and the thugs in DC, I don't see the Afghan troops bombarding Los Angeles or Chicago, so what the heck is he doing there ? in the other hand, this kid is probably simply trying to go to college and not be bankrupt by the time he graduates, unfortunately higher education in the US has become a greedy business, another possibility would be, high unemployment rates in the US, specially for youngsters well into double digits, sadly when jobs are scarce the military is one of the few options left, since they are recruiting 24/7.

the young generation must take responsibility for themselves and understand the evil they are serving. Do NOT join the USA military. 100% evil controllers. one has to look no further than 911 to witness the highest levels of corruption

josean,
"W. Perez is lucky it wasn't in DR..In the Dario they would've amputate to try to save the grenade.."
Mrynot,
You have earned a nomination to Dread's Hall of Famous Quotable phrases at DT!

Seconded.

Atabey, boasts

"For people like Roy, here's some evidence that Dominicans can and do make sacrifices.
Hope this young man makes a full recovery."

I too wish this brave young American, serving his country, the United States, a full recovery too.

The fact he is Dominican-born is irrelevant. He was in the US army, a real army, in the defense of his homeland, not the Dominican pretend army. I hope he gets a real medal, not a phony Dominican one that the hoards of Dominican generals wear like Trujillo impersonators.

He knew why he was in Afghanistan and the dangers he was facing. US soldiers, like Australian soldiers, are highly trained, not just on their weaponry, but on the political and ethnic realities of where they are sent. However they do not determine their country's foreign policy. Their government does that, and soldiers go where the are sent, whether they like it or not. That is why they are heroes and deserve our greatest respect and honor.

My father was born in England but served in the Australian Navy on a destroyer, and then commanding a corvette, against Japan in the South Pacific. He was highly decorated for his service, and would have been very offended if he was referred to as British and not Australian.

RUDYJAEGER, states
"First of all this shows everyone in the world that a US military nurse and the ex plosive ex pert.put there lives on the line for this young Dominican. Now what to you say about the Americans now. These 2 guys should get a medal for savings this man."

Absolutely!

tomito,
No, I didn't see Afghan troops bombarding Los Angeles or Chicago either, but I did see the 9-11 attack on New York. Did you miss it?
If this young man only joined the US military to get a degree, he didn't need to serve in Afghanistan. There are plenty of army postings just pushing a pen behind a desk in Washington. He knew what he was doing and why. I am personally opposed to Australia's involvement in Afghanistan, because I don't think Australian blood should be shed to give these Muslims democracy and freedom from oppression that is as a result of their own stupid religion.

Roy
"There are plenty of army postings just pushing a pen behind a desk in Washington."

No .. those jobs are all taken by senators and governors children wanting to have a military record, that never see the front-line.
While the average kids gets thrown to the front-line and Halliburton continue to get uncontested milt-million dollars contract.

Roy,

You made my point. Now let's see El Dready hides under a rock. LOL



When you join the US Military OR ANY MILITARY WORTH ITS NAME you don't say: I'll select which War I fight.



And 9/11 SHOULD RING A BELL for most of us. LOL

says Tomito

Written by: tomito, 13 Jun 2012 3:33 AM
From: United States
Atabey, if you read my post carefully, you would see that I am not demonizing him but instead called him a victim of the system, if he really knew he probably would not be wasting his time and/or risking his life there for the benefit of the US military industrial complex and the thugs in DC, I don't see the Afghan troops bombarding Los Angeles or Chicago, so what the heck is he doing there

why do you bother replying to a guy with a single digit IQ?

@DR

TO YOU so-called experts in Afghanistan and for the reason why we are there.

We should all support the troops no matter where they are from...They all fight for the same reason, while you jerk-off watching porn from your laptops and CPs, and write insults in the back of people that put their lives on the line so you can burn flags and freely share your stupid conspiracy theories. Dozens of countries are there supporting operations, or are directly involved.
1. Do not confuse Afghanistan with Irak,
2. Do not call yourself an expert on international affairs from the comfort of your living room couch.
3. If you do not stand up to bullies, you get death, destruction, and chaos.
3. I thank this young man for doing what HE believes is the right thing to do.
4. The personnel that ran to him to save him are heroes.
5. On the whole planet there are only two nationalities... Good people and assholes.... The later does not require a passport but good persons do.
C.

Atabey says:

"When you join the US Military OR ANT MILITARY WORTH ITS NAME you don't say: I'll select which War I fight.

And 9/11 SHOULD RING A BELL for most of us. LOL"

But you could not enroll in the first place if you had other means of getting a higher education without going bankrupt or getting a decent paying job, not just flipping burgers part time, you have to understand high unemployment rates are pushing youngsters either to dealing dope, petty crimes, welfare or simply to join the always recruiting US military, that's been the case throughout history.

911 was just a poor excuse to invade two countries whose governments had nothing to do with the attacks, I bet you that if the terrorists of 911 had been Russian, Chinese, heck even Japanese, the US would have NEVER invaded those countries but rather demand that the culprits be found and prosecuted or extradited to face charges in the US, but that's a different flavor, the others were "Mangos Bajitos".

To say these guys join the military only as a fast-track to a degree is an insult. Many join out of duty to their country, and some for the excitement - certainly more interesting and challenging than flipping burgers, but certainly more dangerous. However many young men are attracted to dangerous activities like train-surfing, illicit drugs and unsafe sex, so better they prove their manhood through something beneficial to them and their country.

As for any country's involvement in theses ratbag Islamic countries are concerned, or who is to blame for 9-11 and all the other acts of Islamic terror around the world is concerned, that it an entirely separate issue. Bring it on!

I second that Roy.

And Tomito,

What is your evidence for believing this Dominican born soldier had no other opportunity or choices?

Where or on what basis do you arrive at his not knowing what was at stake when he joined the armed forces of the USA?

Before we disparage a young man's life, we ought to have REAL EVIDENCE to support our thinking, no?

As for Dready, his anti-USA sentiment is part of his MO. Of course, that Dready too states foolishness without factual basis is old hat on DT.

Go have that Tall glass of Ice Tea. Just remember, you needn't buy the lemon as you ARE the lemon. LOL


We can argue with the politicians and their decisions, that's fair game. Soldiers are a different story. These people put the most valuable asset on the table: their lives. Kudos to these mostly young lads.

Roy says:
"To say these guys join the military only as a fast-track to a degree is an insult. Many join out of duty to their country, and some for the excitement - certainly more interesting and challenging than flipping burgers, but certainly more dangerous. However many young men are attracted to dangerous activities like train-surfing, illicit drugs and unsafe sex, so better they prove their manhood through something beneficial to them and their country".

Of course not all of them do it only to get a degree, but also as a way to earn a living, in these days of non mandatory military service, remove all those perks in a low unemployment rate environment and see how many people enroll, there is a reason why those perks are offered. I doubt useless wars are the best way to prove one's manhood (I'm somewhat curious why someone would have such an urge to prove it).

Cont...

"useless wars" or "defending freedom" - it all depends on your perspective. I think national service should be compulsory for all young men and women. If the have a conscientious objection to military service, they can plant trees or build schools.

Now let's keep this in perspective and not try to find the exception to the rule, "train surfing", sure, what's next "russian roulette" ? Yes I bet you could still find some wackos who will enjoy playing it, give me a break.

Roy says:
"useless wars" or "defending freedom" - it all depends on your perspective. I think national service should be compulsory for all young men and women.

Defending freedom from whom ? Like I said if those terrorist had been from Russia/China, I guarantee you he wouldn't be "defending" anything anywhere close to Moscow or Beijing.

@Atabey

"What is your evidence for believing this Dominican born soldier had no other opportunity or choices?"

If given the choice between going to war (when your country is not being attacked by another country), risking your life, killing unknown men, women and children or having a regular job with the same pay and benefits, close to your family and friends and out of harm's way, what would you choose ?

tomito,
You obviously see the world from a different perspective from Atabey, this soldier and me. That is your choice, and as a consequence of being born in a free, open society like the Dominican Republic, USA or Australia. However if you were born in a village in Afghanistan you may have no other choice but to believe and obey everything the Koran, your family, the mufti, the local war-lord and the Taliban tells you. Islam is growing at a very rapid rate, and has a god-given right and duty to take over the world, by any means what-so-ever, including indoctrination, subjugation and terror. If you don't believe this, in preference for the politically-correct left-wing propaganda, I suggest you read the Koran yourself - all of it.

Perhaps this soldier chose to do his bit to fight against this, for himself, his family, friends and country. Thank goodness that he and many others like him (including my son in the Australian Army) feel the same.

@Tomito,

I spent 28 years in the military. Not for the money, but because it was a calling. Leading other men into battles, chasing bullies, building schools and infrastructure, helping in disaster areas, cleaning after-war messes such as unmarked minefields. Not once did I do this for money, because you do not get rich there. I left home I was 13, so there is no money in my family, no freebees. I always wanted to be a soldier and I made a career out of it. Since I left, I went into business and grew to compete with others in my field. Now, I am a millionaire, not because of my "paid" service to country, but because of the discipline and proportionate approach to problem-solving that I learned from them.
I believe that new generations, anywhere on the planet are lazy and non-productive and second Roy for his complusory service. I think that they could be put to work to build their nations and this would provide them with the right tools to suceed in their lifes.
C.

My hat off to you, Concatchero,
your country needs many more with your attitude. In fact every country does.

@Tomito

Why is it only a US-made problem???
I was not a "US" soldier and by God do not say that we served them because where I come from we are fiercly independant of the USA and their politicking! I spent a year in the Stan before my retirement. I was blown 3 times, and saw many friends fall.... I would go back tomorrow to do what I do best, and not for money. And no, i am not brain-washed and No I do not care about politics... We hunted insurgents, built schools, cleared old Soviet minefields, and hell yes I would go back. It was my duty to do so and like all of us, there are plenty of ways to get off a tour if you do not want to go there. We go, not because we are forced to but because it is the right thing to do and we see the results on the ground with the large majority of the population.
I was all over the world in my carreer and this was the hardest mission, but also the most rewarding to me. We were defending and building a country abandoned by the rest of the world

concatchero, i confess that i do not know your levels of political realities. therefore, you having said this

TO YOU so-called experts in Afghanistan and for the reason why we are there.

please tell me why we are there.

says Atabey

As for Dready, his anti-USA sentiment is part of his MO.

as much as lying, misrepresentation, and just plain dishonesty is a part of yours. it is easy for any coward to label people anti American, and leave them having to prove otherwise. real men do not make accusations that have no basis in truth. that is for unevolved children who have no morals, no scruples, nor moral compass. lowlife ghetto garbage like Atabey,the moral nihilist, who does not see that there is a difference between right and wrong. now i know why his father abandoned him.

@dreadlock,
Why:
There is a lot of geo-politics involved there that many are not aware about.... And much more.
1. Afghanistan is land-locked... The British diplomats that were responsible with the so called "100 year deals", the deal to separate India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and also other territories like Hon Kong to insure that nationalists of different tribes and religions would not slaughter eachother after british withdrawals, was supposed to evaporate after 100 years... A slice of the old Afghanistan that would have given it back a port in the Arabian Sea and taken it out of poverty for the trade that could be produced, was given/ loaned to Pakistan about 100 years ago on a diplomatic "land loan". In 2001, when we sent Spec Forces there, during the chaos, Pakistan did a 11km land grab inside the Afghanistan border. The diplomats responsible for these deals before the colonie went back to their Britain were hailled as heroes; They knew that they would not have to deal w

concatchero, i am aware of the geopolitics. therefore, the entire mission is a matter of imperialism and hegemony, no? ostensibly, the USA went in to get after Bin Ladin and the Taliban...well,Bin Ladin is gone, and it is not a realistic errand to obliterate the Taliban. so,the mission is to serve US interests in the region, no?

Cond't...
2. We know (have proofs) that drugs finances the Taliban and related extremist groups' operations worldwide. Putting a stop, or at least plugging some of the holes in the many frontiers in Afghanistan does put a dent in the market for opium derivative products and limits their spending budget. They can still aford guns and bombs, but cannot buy any ICBMs.
3. Contrary to popular beliefs, There is no oil that we know in Afghanistan; the country is too dangerous to even go and explore for some. Apparently, ther are many minerals, but again, it is too dangerous a country to process or even explore. They would reap the benefits not us... The problem, as such rests with the corruption found in all new democracies. And oh, who the hell would and even can build a pipeline through there? This is not economic because the country is still landlocked, surrounded by dangerous places for a way-too-white-guy like me (Iran, Pakistan, China).

4. If not the most (was), this is one of the poorest countries on the planet; 30+ years of war has ravaged all infrastructure, and the Soviets have left mines and booby traps all over the country, making any attractive piece of land near a river or a lake extremely dangerous. According to the UN, this country is the most "mined" country in the world, killing and maiming tens of thousands each year. Until we went there, there was no "rule of law" and their national governement was fractionized and non-effective, enabling local tribesmen and warlords to do their deeds, including trade of opium with the Talibs.
5. Most if not all the leaders of the Talibans are not from Afghanistan. They are fundamentalists that come from all countries to wage war against democracy, christianity and our way of life.

8. WE CHOSE (I do not mean the USA, but the international community) Afghanistan as the battlefield against terrorism, this way people like you at home are able to carry-on with life as normal.
There are more reasons that I can provide if necessary. Willing to answer intelligent questions.
Regards,
C

6. Under the Taliban rule, Afghans had no right to speak, education, no music. Children were not even allowed to "fly kites"; a national and traditional Afghan pastime. We have given them the freedom to chose for themselves what to do and how to do it, through democracy, THEY decide where and when they do things. They vote and chose their furture.
7. The CIA involvment in the 80s was strictly related to the cold war and to the covert operations against the Soviets who wanted a foothold in that part of the world, specifically for that port in the Arabian Sea. Yes it back-fired on the CIA, but who was to know what the future held; Old friends become ennemies every day! We are now cleaning-up some of their mess, but it is our job and duty to do so. After-all, we all played a role in the cold war, not just the USofA.

@Dread,

How about because we made the promise to stay the course and give Afghanistan a chance.

I knew that this war was coming the day the Talibs defaced this 5000 years old Budha statue on the cliff side. You remember this?

Oh, and do you think that Iran, Pakistan, and China want peace in Afghanistan, which they all border? So YES, they meddle a lot over there and covertly fight our efforts to bring stability. Actually, they do this consistently and consantly!

Suicide bombers are recruited daily from shanty towns in Pakistan and other countries, from the poorest, most fragile, and desparate people on the planet, with nothing to loose and all to gain from a picture of paradise with 12 or more virgins! Fluck, I can't even put up with one, so why would I go to "paradise" with 12? LOL
C.

says concatchero

2. We know (have proofs) that drugs finances the Taliban and related extremist groups' operations worldwide.

really? and just what financed the Northern Alliance, the USA proxy warriors in Afghanistan? i happen to have personal friends who dealt drugs in Amsterdam for some prominent members of the current government, and still do!

Again, Concatchero, thank you for your perspective, based on actually being there, observing and being involved. It is very easy for us to form opinions, generally based on how we view the world rather than informed analysis.
Let me ask you,
1) how much were you told about the country, the people and the history, by the military, before you went there?
2) in hindsight, do you consider it was balanced information or just pro-American government propaganda?

@Dread,

So, every government or group in power used their only export; Opium, to gain power over their rivals.

What is your point, and so what? And what does this have to do with your dopey friend in Amsterdam?

I say cut the crop and cut the income, or turn it into legalized govt crops to actually fill the world shortage for painkillers. But, the big pharmaceutical companies do not like the idea (from the Germans) because it will affect prices by decreasing demand. Yes, that is another cup or tea to have with you. So yes our being there has not stopped the traffic, but instead has made a good dent in the market, thus helpiung prices stay high. The choice will be with Afghanistan's people.

dopey is a good word, concatchero. he is selling dope for some political operatives in that country. we will have differences on this issue, which need not escalate to the point of hostilities, because we are all entitled to political leanings. i am just from the school that does not like imperialism, colonialism, global hegemony, and interventionism. if you have no problem with those, i have no problem with that.

Roy, Happy to answer your direct and honest question.

I spent a year training my battle team, and we had cultural, language, and ethnic training twice a week , given by actual Afghans. We learned the Pashtun Wali code and many other usefull information to make our mission successful and create bonds withe the communities.
We actually had re-constructed Afghan villages in the prairies to simulate the type of problems we would encounter with the population. We even had real Afghan actors playing out scenarios from legal and civil disputes, to all out insurgent attacks, to crop faillures, to school building. Anyhow, all our missions were always weighed, measured, and re-evaluated before they developped into action. Our #1 priority was the people.
NEVER was US propaganda used. We do not care for it up North and are fiercly nationalistic, just like aussies. You cannot forget that we said NO WAY to Iraq the second time... We did not trust Bush mania intelligence! Cheers, C.

Concatchero
You have a good understanding about this problem and I commend you for your service..
It is also good when people talk and listen with respect and understanding of others point of views....

"Yes it back-fired on the CIA,"
In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid to Afghanistan and other Islamic state to fight the USSR, but Wilson (the main advocate of Afghans v Soviets) couldn't get 1 million to build new schools in Afghanistan after the Russians left... Not good foreign relations...

@Dread

Always happy to discuss anything with you or anyone.

Q: Who was Bob Marley to you?

Boy man, that is a lot of "ISMs" that you do not like! But you forgot Abey-ISM from your list. (No puns intended Abey).

How about... Patriot-ISM? I am, and fiercly for my country, but I accept all people that are for the progress of the mind, body, and soul.

Cheers,
C.

@Stillhere,
Thanks for the facts about the CIA. I had to recupe some of their crap out of caves in the Tora Bora Mountains. Lots of gunpowder $5B will buy you, and more. Did you know that we were also there in 89 (Canada and others, but not US) when the Soviets withdrew with their crap, and under a UN mandate, had the opportunity to help the Afghans rebuild and clean up the war crap left behind. The UN cancelled the mission when the civil war started and took us all out. Had they stayed the course, the conditions leading to what became the war on terror, would not have developped. At least not there. It haunted my country that we could have done something about it.
C.

Well, this is turning out to be a good conversation, as compared to most others on DT.

@Dread, I respect your opinion budy! I believe in fighting for the right of freedom of speach and I actually also support this; Figures!
Anyhow, knowing where you come from, and the path you have travelled, makes me appreciate your opinion on some of these topics. But these are only opinions, and they are defined by the environment, and strenghtened by the person you became. Not all is about the
USA, or imperialism, or hedgemony, or the rest of other ISMs out there.
Cheers,
C.

@Dread,

Can you please provide your definition of interventionism? Is it related to when something happens in another country, you are against interventions?
Thanks,
C.

let me rephrase that, concatchero. the reason why i have a problem with countries intervening in other countries is that it is usually selective, and is not based in morality, but i interests. there have been several murderous civil wars in Africa, and the world stood by. if the matter involves one of commodity,and resource struggles, the bombs and planes come in , right away. look how quickly the USA went into Kuwait.

asks concatchero


Q: Who was Bob Marley to you?


my very good friend, and mentor.

@Roy:

"Islam is growing at a very rapid rate, and has a god-given right and duty to take over the world, by any means what-so-ever, including indoctrination, subjugation and terror. If you don't believe this, in preference for the politically-correct left-wing propaganda, I suggest you read the Koran yourself - all of it."

Ok, so because of that we need to start bombing Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, etc, etc, and while we are at it, kill all muslims living in the US, right ?

@Conchatchero

I am glad the US is trying to "help" Afghanistan out "kindness" and to free those people from tyranny, I am still waiting for such a "nice" intervention to take place in China, North Korea, Cuba, etc, but I guess that's going to take place in a few months down the road, right ? What other good movie would you recommend for this week ? Rambo XX, or Superman VIII ?

tomito, i am getting very worried. i am beginning to agree with a lot of your views. the sky could fall, and we would be responsible.

"robbers tend to be at the exit of the airport ????"" Did JP Morgan Chase install a branch location at the airport exit to capture the US Dollars fleeing America?

tomito stated:

@Atabey

"What is your evidence for believing this Dominican born soldier had no other opportunity or choices?"

If given the choice between going to war (when your country is not being attacked by another country), risking your life, killing unknown men, women and children or having a regular job with the same pay and benefits, close to your family and friends and out of harm's way, what would you choose ?"

That not evidence; that's your assumption based on your preferences. In order for you to truly arrive at a critical assessment of this individual's decision FAR MORE attention and REAL evidence is needed. BTW, there ARE opportunities to go to college that don't break the bank.

Perhaps this lad comes from a military family and is following family tradition?

As I stated above, Political leaders are fair game and can and should be criticized for the decisions they make. That's part of the democratic process.

But soldiers performing their duties under the military code of conduct should not have their decision to become soldiers of the Armed Forces of the United States of America questioned.

Many are the brave souls long dead from risking their lives to make our nation and state possible. To them and their families we all owe a great debt of gratitude for making the ultimate sacrifice.

--------------------
People like El Dready can hide behind their anti-military and anti-USA shells because of the many men and now women defending his right to state all the non-sense he thinks.

: Atabey,
"People like El Dready can hide behind their anti-military and anti-USA shells because of the many men and now women defending his right to state all the non-sense he thinks."

Are they also not fighting for everyone's rights to question the purpose of any war, anything done in the name of "freedom" and their right to voice one opinions with out persecution?

With out these voices how much longer would Vietnam have gone on, with out these voices the truth about the false claims Iraq having WMD's would never come out... With out these voice the hypocrisy and double standards of why one country is invaded and others are just left to implode eg The Congo... But why go in there when BP, Shell, Texaco and Chevron etc already have the oil rights...

@Tomito

You are entitled to an opinion but don't attack mine, and do not make a farce of my experience and what I chose to do; at least, I got off my ass and did something about the world problems that your type can always seem to resolve on paper or on a blog, but never willing to actually do the job yourselves... You have the makings of a great politician. And I have a lot of American friends, but I sure the hell am not and they do their own thing. We dont always give a flying fluck what they do. So don't put all your apples in the same basket. I/my country has nothing to gain in the Stan and we dont care about others actions there or not. We believe in our mission there and that is regardless of your opinion. When we go together, we support one another in our decisions without always agreeing on when and how.....

@Tomito cond't
Regardless, I do what my country asks me to do, without my personal opinion. I do not torture for information, shoot first, or do something that my mother would not have approved of. I do my work so that you can sit on your ass and critisize me for doing what the elected officials (your representatives) lawfuly order me to do; fight terror eye to eye.
As far as religion, I do not and will not make this a religious war. The Talibs want to but we di not. Of course, there are a couple idiots on all sides that do stupid things that puts our lives at risks while we are on mission, such as the preacher in Florida, or the idiot that ordered the burning of Korans.

By the way, you think you know the Koran??? What version are you reading, the terrorist/jihadist/Sharia version? The real Koran is actualy a great book that preaches peace with all other religions and condemns the killing of innocents, just like our bible.......

@Tomito cond't.....

Military intervention is not possible in all countries, and definitely not the solution to all problems. People in these countries can actually decide for themselves and pick their own future. It is when it spills over that it may need to be containned my military means before it spreads. Limited resources also means we cannot go everywhere in full force.. Some we go to observe, influence, or support at arms lenght. Democracy is coming, but it is coming in its own time.

Tell us about yourself "Mother Theresa" and what you have done for your country lately. What have you done to make the DR better... You ran away to the USA so you would nat have to face the "Piper's music"? You critisise tthose that are here to try to make things better, however slow the process is?

The only movie I see for your type is "Broke Back Mountain".

The only movie I see for your type is "Broke Back Mountain".


Batty Boy Dready's favorite movie. LOL

says Atabey


People like El Dready can hide behind their anti-military and anti-USA shells because of the many men and now women defending his right to state all the non-sense he tthink

so says Mr Tough Guy. what did you ever fight for, Atabey? i grew up in the civil rights era. i marched, and got my ass kicked, on more than one occasion. all you ever fought for is your right to be stupid.

Thank you, Concatchero, for answering my questions. They are consistent with my understanding of how Australian soldiers are trained and educated, however in the context of this blog, what you wrote needed to be written.

However I must disagree with you regarding the Koran and the Bible. Both have some good things to say, yet both also say some dreadful things, including incitement to genocide, rape, torture, slavery, racism, and subjugation of women to name just a few. Just as Christianity brought about the last Dark Ages, Islam will bring about the next.

says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 15 Jun 2012 10:33 AM
From: United States, NYC


The only movie I see for your type is "Broke Back Mountain".


Batty Boy Dready's favorite movie. LOL

proof positive. people like concatchero, tomito, and RoyStone are having a lively debate, carried out in an atmosphere of civility, even though the disagreements are legion. Atabey has to display his bad manners, and lack of home training, by interjecting some of his trademark imbecilic remarks. some people never grow up. you can take the animal from the bush, but you just cannot take the bush out of the animal. you can dress him up...you just cannot take him out in public.

@Roy,

I disagree that we disagree. I like you am not a religious man. I do read books because it opens your mind and soul and gives you undertanding. Anyway, some understanding, because vague statements and answers to eternal questions about God, Heaven, and life after death, are all interpretations of the old original texts or pieces of text. These to me are not "gospel". In the name of "Religion", many people on our planet commited, comit, and will comit atrocities by distorting the original message and using it to incite people for POWER. It is all about interpretations. These books are only books writen by bards and poets, transcribed over countless generations, with a lot of embelishments from Monks, Mulahs, Imams, and Popes alike. But at the base the message is the same... Peace not war. War not assimilation. Respect not disdain. Heaven not hell. The books are not bad books, they are like lawyers contracts a.k.a. "clause 122, volume C, 3rd edition".
Cheers,
C.

"International order is not an evolution; it is an imposition. It is the domination of one vision over another. (...) It will last only as long as those who imposed it retain the capacity to defend it. This is an uncomfortable reality for liberal internationalists." The World America Made by Robert Kagan


Wrap, if you can, your evaporating senses around that thought, Batty Boy Dready.

do you have a point, Atabey, or are you just looking for attention, yet again? by the way, i see no response from you regarding my economic development questions. what is the problem? wikipedia off line?

saw this little bit of news today, Atabey

Santo Domingo.- A scandal has erupted in Slovenia over the authorities’ alleged complacency with the trafficking of hundreds of women from Dominican Republic who get work visas as dancers when they in fact work as prostitutes, Efe reports.

things should be flush in your household this Christmas, as long as the ring does not get disbanded.