The Haitian elite families are guilty of systemic human rights abuses and human rights violations.
One of the biggest violators of human rights in the world, the real problem is, the mainstream media never bothered to report any of it.

It's always interesting to see how little coverage there is concerning the REAL Culprits behind this board problem: the Haitian political leadership and economic and social elite.

How many Haitians cross the border WITHOUT DOCUMENTS? There has been and continues to be a vast under-reported problem concerning the denial of Citizenship Documents and birth certificates for Haitians IN HAITI!

Pobre de mi pais, tuvimos la desgracia de tener esta gente
de vecinos.

If we kick them out then there will be no further violations!

I have been writing over and over here that NOTHING GOOD has ever come from the west!!

Deport them all!!!

"Taveras said it’s even stranger that Haiti ambassador Fritz Cineas supports these “obviously frivolous and ethereal” charges on the belief that human rights are above all migratory status."

Yes, they are, estupido. Human rights ARE, above all, the prime consideration in handling any, and all, matters of disputes! You DO NOT abuse or persecute based on ethnicity or race!

Taveras, you are a prime example of what a Dominican bastard is. You're a scum of the earth, same as most posters above!

Thank you Ron..

People will go to great lengths to work and feed their families, if that mean entering a country illegally, working and living in poor condition for very little pay, they will, when it's the only thing they can do.
To blame them is wrong, when the problem lies with the Haitian, Dominican governments.
Haitian gov for not being able to get their S*%t together and provide a better and stable life for it's people.
The Dominican gov for turning a blind eye to people employing illegal workers.
And the scrupless employers of illegal Haitian workers, knowingly braking the law, paying and treating these workers like slaves, just for a monetary gain..

You DO NOT abuse or persecute based on ethnicity or race!

Yeah Ron, we should look the other way and let these people to just continue to do whatever they want. Like what happened to my cousin's husband little niece, rape on her way from school by two Haitian grajoso, and she was only 12 years old. I mention this because it affected me directly, but there's hundreds of stories of these people running like an unstopable train doing whatever they feel like doing. Now, Im not saying they're all commiting crimes, but they have got to do something, and this measure is looking to give these people some sort of document, and those getting cheap labor should pay also not just reap the benefits of this cheap labor, which comes with a high price to our society.
....and don't forget,they are raping the land too; deforestation is very high wherever these people live.

Stillhere, it is not our fault the Haitian government CAN NOT provide its people, jobs, health care, education, housing, ect, etc...
However, it is our government fault to let those with money hire illegals Haitians.

No it not our fault the Haitian gov can't and wont get their s*#t together.... We have our problem and they have theirs... But we can work together to fix the main problem.... Corruption and Greed..... on both sides of the boarder.... from the top to the bottom....

It saddens me to hear such stories about the rape of a child..... My heart goes out to you and your family...

The sooner BOTH governments get their policies and actions in line the better for all. But while the world takes issue with the DR, the REAL SOURCE of the problem, HAITI, is allowed far less negative news reporting and demands. The border security is not just a DR problem; Haiti needs to correct for a passe attitude and de facto encouragement of illegal movement from her legal domain into DR's domain of legal control.

UNTIL Haiti makes good on protecting HER OWN side of the border, efforts by the DR will not be sufficient to control illegal movement from East to West on the island.

In part the Haitians have gotten themselves into this mess and also blame the US and France for many of the problems that nation undergoes. ... I'm not against immigration, as long as it is legal, but let's look at things objectively, even before the earthquake they were a hot mess, the disaster only made it worst. They don't have a functional government, Martelly is just another puppet of the elite class which is less than 1% of the population. While the vast majority of the population is going through hell on earth, they enjoy the good life at the cost of others wellbeing. For a country that advocates for the rights and proudly stands as black nation, the elite of Haiti sure don't care if the entire nation suffers which to me is an irony of the worst kind. On the other hand if the Dominican Republic tries to enforce the law, we are racists.. What is that about?

All I'm saying is that, whatever the situation on both sides of the border, the prime consideration in dealing with economic refugees and illegal crossings, is that human rights protocol be upheld.

Regardless of the laws in our land, we must understand that oppression of a people in search of survival, is a wrong that must not be accepted or tolerated in the enforcement of any law.

Haiti is a huge problem for DR that must be resolved by both, and with the help of the international community which, curiously, hasn't been heard from except when blaming DR for all of Haiti's ills.

We are incapable of shouldering the needs of the 10million-strong Haitian nation.
We can not continue to support the masses of humanity in need of the most basic stuff. We, however, must remember our common ancestry and treat one-another with the respect and consideration reserved for a human being, regardless of our differences.

RonEvane,

I totally agree on respecting the rights of others! Well said!

Ron Evane,

What oppression? Enforcing immigration laws, whether it be via deportation or the requirement of documents as is being done with illegal Haitians in DR is NOT oppression. I agree that we should all treat each other with respect regardless of a "common" ancestry, but, I also believe in looking after Dominican citizens FIRST, before any other legal/illegal immigrant. Haiti's problems need to be resolved by HAITI not the DR. The DR can assist but we have no obligation to "solve" Haiti's problems unless they directly affect us, as in the case with illegal immigration. And yes, as others have mentioned, I believe that any Dominican that hires illegal Haitians for labor should be heavily fined and if applicable, imprisoned.

I was censored, but Roystone and Danny00 go uncensored, very interesting. Where is the balance DT?

It is a shame to read some of the posts here.Ironically, none of them mentions the illegal Dominican workers in Haiti or elsewhere in the world, from the Caribbean to the European countries. True, both sides need to get their act together to face the common immigration issues and I agree. But using this forum to argue one's position or bashing another nation will not change or fix the problem. A concerned citizen would probably act on it to bring some positive change instead of venting his feelings. Don't expect others or your country politicians to make the change for you, they won't, don't sit here and lament, the time has spoken, it is proven already. Do something. And to name a few, there are many ways to help out, be a politician, be an activist , be in a position of power or be all you can be, so your voices be heard too. Else, shut up and thanks those haitians for putting DR on the map negatively with all that bad publicity that makes one worries about the positive image of DR.

Unfortunately, DR is not a position yet to solve Haiti's problems and to tell you the truth the two may not be in the same boat but after all they share the same island. jaja

It would seem the nation of Haiti has banished from the face of the earth. The world appear to have forgotten that it's there and have not come true with its' pledge to help it emerge from the devastating quake that buried it..
That, along with an economy in dire straits, the prospect for recovery, even to the level prior to the destruction of Port au Prince, is doubtful at best.
What does this mean for our shared future? Will we in DR continue to bear the brunt of Haiti's failure to govern itself in a democratic and progressive way? The answer is yes..... We have no choice. We can't escape our neighbor. The continued influx of desperate folks with nowhere to go but across the border, is the responsibility of no one but us!.. Folks, no one else will care for them, not even Haiti itself!
So, what's the solution? Well, how about erecting a great big fence across our borders? Something that'll take years and millions of dollars to build? Ironically, with mostly Haitian manpower? E

Or...we can grab and deport every single one of them, regardless of legal status? Maybe, but they'll probably come back.

Seriously, folks. It seems more and more credible to me that the only sensible solution to this conundrum, is the unification of both our nations, politically and economically. Not necessarily culturally.
Before you scream bloody murder, I ask you to think about it some... We in DR can expand .commerce and have assets to a large, untapped source of manpower. Investing there can be done "on the cheap", meaning small businesses formed exclusively for export.
The international community can be persuaded into buying more stuff to "help out the Haitian folks". This way richer nations will purchase stuff they don't really need but will alleviate their guilt in not helping with hard cash and/or direct involvement in Haiti's internal affairs. ...There are myriad ways of investing and making money. And money is the only way to solve all that ails us.

Reading those posts alone would make believe that DR is the most perfect and richer nation in the caribbean with no issues and full of resources. What is the GDP/GNI there, what is the per capita income. Do you/we know? Look into these two things before you can think about conquering nor expanding. I am pretty sure that the wall can be built with haitian manpower , I can't deny it, though we are counting on our neighbors to entertain us as always. As is Haiti has been and will remain a source of income to a lot of Dominican sisters by allowing them to provide for their family and get accepted into their society once they return home. By the way, anyone called "immigrant" can be grabbed and deported wherever he is regardless of his legal status.

"Reading those posts alone would make believe that DR is the most perfect and richer nation in the caribbean"

...And you think we're not?.. For your information, we have the biggest economy in Central America and the Caribbean! How 'bout that, eh?

Same may say "big deal"..I'd say, yes it is!

So we are?? i would like you to come to DR and say that on a concho, street market or a Bus, lets see what happens... is the type of comments that you get when people DOES not have a F@cking clue of what they are talking about

You can also come to South East Washington and ask the ghetto dwelers there what they think of the US having the biggest economy in the world and hear, (if they don't assault you first), what they say about it!.
Some people don't F@cking get what it's being discussed here!

It seems that you are not well informed to post that nonsense about DR being the biggest economy in Central America and the Caribbean. Do you know what is the Gross National Income and the Per Capita Income in DR, if you knew it you would think twice before asserting. Your answer sums it all for me. Again go dig it up and then compare the values with other countries GDP and PCI to see where you rank in the Caribbean and Central America. If you are not able to find that info, let me know so I can direct you where you can get it. While DR is so rich why the sisters are leaving DR for what you called poorest Caribbean and Central America countries to sell off their a.... not to name the European countries such as Germany, Spain, Italy, in order to make a living. Know the facts first. Some of the languages used here tell me lot more about my audience. I am challenging you not to use foul language to see how well you can really debate. Can u really express yourself without fouling?

Alright. I stand corrected. I feel chastened by your admonishing. I'll try to be good.

"It seems that you are not well informed to post that nonsense about DR being the biggest economy in Central America and the Caribbean"... Well, I thought it was! It isn't?

And, yes please, direct me to where it says otherwise. It's good to learn new things. Go ahead, please.

Please check out the links below

I was trying to send you the links and I received the following error

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Fair enough

For richest countries in Central America you would find the below according to World Bank data. So google/yahoo for 'Richest countries in Central America'

view as: list / map
? Country GDP per capita
1. Panama
$13,000

2. Costa Rica
$11,300

3. Belize
$8,400

4. El Salvador
$7,200

5. Guatemala
$5,200

6. Honduras
$4,200

7. Nicaragua
$3,000
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Again for Richest countries in the Caribbean -- DR still did not a chance to make the top ten

view as: list / map
? Country GDP per capita
1. Bahamas, The
$28,700

2. Barbados
$21,800

3. Trinidad and Tobago
$21,200

4. Antigua and Barbuda
$16,400

5. Saint Kitts and Nevis
$13,700

6. Saint Lucia
$11,200

7. Dominica
$10,400

8. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
$10,300

9. Grenada
$10,200

10. Cuba
$9,900

List of Largest Economies in the Caribbean (sources aneki.com 'rankings + records')

GDP
1. Antigua and Barbuda
$1,425,000,000

2. Bahamas, The
$8,921,000,000

3. Barbados
$6,227,000,000

4. Cuba
$114,100,000,000

5. Dominica
$758,000,000

6. Dominican Republic
$87,250,000,000

7. Grenada
$1,098,000,000

8. Haiti
$11,480,000,000

9. Jamaica
$23,720,000,000

10. Saint Kitts and Nevis
$684,000,000

11. Saint Lucia
$1,798,000,000

12. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
$1,069,000,000

13. Trinidad and Tobago
$26,100,000,000
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Bear in mind in the Caribbean that DR came in second place for the largest economies after Cuba. Not first.
Though the highest number does not automatically put you on top the list. Population size, GDP, PCI are also taken into account when it's come down to ranking.

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Adamo123,

To post a link just leave off the 3 w's, as that is what i stops it going in... + we all should know by now to add the w's...

you may also like to have a look at this report..

The Global Enabling Trade Report 2012

Thanks!

As of September 2011.

According to the U.S. State Department, the Dominican Republic actually has the largest economy in Central America and the Caribbean. with a GDP of $9,208 per capita , which is relatively high for a Latin American Country. In the trimester of January–March 2007 it experienced an exceptional growth of 9.1% in its GDP, which was actually below the previous year’s 10.9% in the same period.

Source: Wikipedia.

Yeah right! that is why dominicans are admitted EVERYWHERE on the world without a Visa, just like countries with slighty lower GDP

Good one airgodo!
Should I start using the likes of you tube and Wikipedia for online references? Think about that one pal. Are you aware of how you can edit and add post to Wikipedia? You would not want to know that! Do some research on Cuba and most of the goodies about Cuba will not be told by the US State Department or come out of the lion's mouth. Look for some neutral sources of information and you will get the whole truth about the Caribbean and the Central America. I have nothing against DR, that is my vacation spot of choice. Go there 2 to 3 times a year. It is all about the thruth here.