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Santo Domingo.- Unknown assailants shot dead 34-year old Alexander
García, son of the PRD senator for María Trinidad
Sánchez, Salomón García, during a robbery on Wednesday at a store in the Brisas
del Eden area of Santo Domingo East. An employee was injured in the attack.
The victim died while being taken to the hospital. Local residents said that three men arrived on a motorbike and entered Casa Julito, the
store where García worked as an administrator, posing as customers.
According to reports, the victim had a firearm and the
thieves tried to take it off him. García is said to have resisted and the assailants
shot him before escaping on their motorbike. The employee, Edward Araujo Caminero, is being treated at the Darío Contreras Hospital.
The police have arrested two men in connection with the incident, named as Félix David Ramón Suero “Espejo” and Javier Tavarez
Collado “Papachungo”. they are on the trail of five other suspects, known as Michael, Jonathan, El Policía, Felo and Pan
Quemao
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 8:27 AM
From: Australia
Shows that having a gun is not a defense, and probably increases the probability of being shot or killed.
For all those gun-loving NRA lobbyists, can you give one example of anyone successfully defending themself from owning a gun?
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ Roy
Bull Ship...... If you have a gun you need to have to balls to use it. Shoot first and answer questions later.
Thats how it works.
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 8:50 AM
From: Australia
Tough talk, elBuscoon,
but the statistics prove otherwise. It doesn't work.
As soon as they suspect you have a gun they shoot you before you get the chance to get it out, cock, aim and fire it.
From: United States
elbuscon=Josean
Written by: lovingit, 7 Jun 2012 9:28 AM
From: United States, Delaware
@Roy
I agree that overall guns do no good because they usually end up in the hand of the wrong person.. but this video has two examples on how they were used the right way to get rid off ruffians:
abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605#.T9CqhsXEbIs
From: United States
RoyStone, you are absolutely correct. in Jamaica, for instance, owning a gun just makes you a target of the criminal element, who ambush you, and kill you, in order to acquire your weapon
Written by: danny00, 7 Jun 2012 10:35 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
most people say they have a gun only for protection.
but in most cases the guns where used to kill or hurt some one.
i believe only the police and army should carry guns, the problem in the dr it has no real army or police. the facts show that these two branches of the government bring their own "crime wave to the people of the dr"
scary place the dr is for every one who vists or lives there.
if one has a problem their is no one who will or can help u.
but the good news is that we have our own choo choo train. now pres leo could have use that money to at least try and form a real police force and get some kind of formal education for the kids who just might become police officers in the future.
all aborad leos choo choo train.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jun 2012 10:41 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
the victim had a firearm and the thieves tried to take it off him. García is said to have resisted and the assailants
WONDER WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN?
GUESS HE WANTED TO ACT LIKE HES AN FBI AGENT..
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Maybey this is why there trying to unarmed the population in dominican republic , still I think proper training of handling of firearms would help the citizens greatly . I myself have firearms purchaser Id for the state of new jersey , and I train myself in firearms facilities in the tri state are all the time.
From: Dominican Republic
Owning a firearm for protection, owning one to kill someone .....
A person committing a crime with a firearm is already committed to using it...
Most will hesitate, the criminal will not.....
Are you ready to kill someone????
Written by: danny00, 7 Jun 2012 11:09 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
still I think proper training of handling of firearms would help the citizens greatly . I myself have firearms purchaser Id for the state of new jersey , and I train myself in firearms facilities in the tri state are all the time
IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS.... THATS NICE TO SEE THAT.
U PLAY BY THE RULES.
IF ALL DID IT THE WAY U DO IT THEN IT JUST MIGHT WORK.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
The problem here Roy, is that the ones that are carrying don't have the proper training and are being flashy with their firearms. Just look at who are being killed for their sidearms, I'm sure he was just handed the right to carry because of his relation and not go through the rigorous training and briefing of his duties as an armed civilian. The way things are in the republic, no one knows what was the real motive and from my experience in DR the wanna-be's are the ones that are careless enough to let this happen.
What's wrong with having a back-up snub nose Three-Eight at the ankles and letting the thug take your primary then shooting them in the BACK of the HEAD.
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
If you aren't willing to train in the proper use of a fire arm and be ready to use it you shouldn't have one.
Written by: riosm, 7 Jun 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States
The robbers probably had a jump on the victim....it looks like the victim did not have a chance.
If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns. Gun control laws only disarms possible victim yet does nothing to disarm criminals. Most armed robbers with guns won't hesitate for a minute to use it.
I'm against the death penalty but in some cases as a deterant .....it demands it knowing it would be a burden on the tax payers and most likely after a long prison term the convicted would be set free with more criminal training.
My condolences to the family.
From: United States, Washington, DC
There isn't enough money for education, better roads, better housing, .. bascially for the basic needs .. buttttt there is enough money to exterminate each other........ Maybe some dominicans believe less is better.... I never understood why the police have less guns and amo than the criminals...
From: United States
To get a gun and display it in texas is legal. That's why so many people have it...
But at the same time it's the state leader in death penalty executions.
Everybody knows that usually when everybody is allow to have guns , it usually ends in the wrong hands, and in this case some people dot have a chance to use it...
Guns shouldnt be allow to ANYBODY but law enforcement, cuz we are not in Vietnam, Colombia, or Iraq.
So, in the future, if somebody try to rob you, he should be using a nailclipper..!
From: United States, NJ
See why ex-minister of interior and police FRANKLIN ALMEYDA RANCIER wanted to desarm the
population?
DannyOO:
No branch of the military of the USA,England,Canada,Australia carry weapons outside the
barracks regardless of rank,unless you are on a special mission abroad and are told by your
superiors what type of weapons are to be used as required , Other-wise it remains under lock
and keys at the barracks and munition to be given at the front line or at the fire-range by the
sergents and each round accounted for.You are not allowed to keep any weapons upon
descharge from the military or retire from same. That is why we have a Civilian Police
Enforcement Agency
The only branch to carry short arms were the MP(military police) and they were never over the
civilian police as it is in Latin America.Even in England the police bobbies don't carry weapons.
Written by: anthonyC, 7 Jun 2012 1:21 PM
From: United States
Written by: RoyStone,
"Tough talk, elBuscoon,
but the statistics prove otherwise. It doesn't work."
Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence
MILLIONS of people every year use Guns lawfully to stop and prevent crime
From: United States, NJ
continue:
This a sign of culture and civilization of which we lock. Instead of an army we have an army of
thugs and the people are also protecting themselvews from such evel.I wouldn't doubt it if the
illitrate police in DR are renting their guns to the civilians,to make up their misser wages to
support their families.
I still say do like Costa Rica did in 1935 and abolished their military and cut down on the police .
This budget in turn could be used for EDUCATION,HEALTH,INFRASTRUCTURE.hire educated
police, Also get rid of all the VIP protection that is sucking up all the police crime prevention force
specially at the gig cities..
From: Dominican Republic
People need guns for their own security against the own government which is clearly corrupt and criminals.... can't abolish guns. Gun control laws will never stop criminals from getting their hands on guns, they will only stop law-abiding citizens from acquiring weapons as i have NEVER met a criminal who has followed laws
another thing, Police is corrupt and abuse their power as now, imagine how much abuse would go on if they were certain of unarmed citizens. I've had a clash months ago with an official from the national police "Death Squad", he tried to intimidate me with his guys at a community baseball event, little did he know, I was accompanied by a foreign security firm, as I was dressed in civil clothes, and they were dressed as the typical american "tourists". I remind you this was a POLICE OFFICIAL. I've had several incidents in this country were police don't follow Protocol (placing themselves in danger) and I've had to Identify myself because they go too far.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
When in Australia I see every security guard and every policeman has a firearm very visible so it appears the Australian governments believe that firearms are a deterent .
From: United States
Good arguments in this article! Extremely on point most of the commentators.
I do believe if he hadnt possessed a firearm, things would have probably gone a different direction!
Written by: DaveB, 7 Jun 2012 6:45 PM
From: United States
Roy, you are incorrect in every regard. The other gun confiscators that site imaginary statistics are also just spouting imaginary presumptions of fact. Yes trained and experienced civilians defend themselves with personal firearms everywhere in the world that it's legal to own them. Challenging humans to produce fact by pretending ignorance does not prove anything. If he was carrying a firearm in plain sight but wasn't able to draw in time to neutralize the threat, that's not his fault. Anybody claiming that armed scum will not kill their victims does not live in the real world. Plenty of scum everywhere gun down unarmed victims and bystanders everyday. Honest people are not anxious to kill anybody, but many are prepared to defend themselves and the people around them. If you're willing to stick your thumbs up hope for goodwill from scum, that's your choice. Don't expect other honest people to feel the same way.
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 7:04 PM
From: Australia
I have no problem with properly trained police, when doing their job and in a group, carrying and using firearms, as a last resort.
However the reality is, gun-related homicides in Australia have plummeted to less than 1 per 100,000 per year in most states, since tightening gun control by citizens. Murder rate in gun-totin' Dominican Republic in 2010 was 25 and in 2011 was 31, per 100,000.
Written by: DaveB, 7 Jun 2012 7:26 PM
From: United States
Roy, do you mean gun control in Australia or a requirement for registration? An October 29, 2005 article in a Sydney newspaper reported that civilian firearm ownership had increased since the registration requirements. Fact and supposition are two different things, Roy.
From: Zimbabwe, La Bemba Colora
30 years for these animals!
From: Dominican Republic
"Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence"
Straight off the NRA website????
"gun control in Australia" mean the restriction of automatic weapons and requirement to be a member of gun clubs for most other guns registration... You would find gun club membership would have gone up too. Skeet shooting is very popular.
Written by: anthonyC, 7 Jun 2012 10:03 PM
From: United States
Written by: stillhere,
""Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence"
Straight off the NRA website????"
Nope Straight from independent research studies
I suggest you read up on Dr. Gary Kleck, Noted criminologist from Florida State University and his famous statistical study. The study that nobody of any repute has been able to repudiate.
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 10:19 PM
From: Australia
NRA member is he by any chance?
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 10:28 PM
From: Australia
"nobody of any repute"?
David Hemenway is Professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health. He has a B.A. (1966) and Ph.D.(1974) from Harvard University in economics. He is the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. He is also currently a James Marsh Visiting Professor-at-Large at the University of Vermont. Dr. Hemenway has written over 130 articles and five books in the fields of economics and public health.
A study of gun use in the 1990s, by David Hemenway at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, showed that criminal use of guns is far more common than self-defense use of guns, the opposite of pro-gun lobbyist Kleck.
The evidence of the benefits of reducing gun ownership is overwhelming. It seems anthonyC has shot himself in the foot again.
From: United States, Brooklyn
The Police might also want to look as suspects Josean, Basta, and Brasilegno
From: United States
says RoyStone
The evidence of the benefits of reducing gun ownership is overwhelming. It seems anthonyC has shot himself in the foot again.
he should give some serious consideration to shooting himself in the head.
From: Norway
Roy, we know what works in civilized societies.
Dread, I didnt know he had a "head".
Btw have a nice weekend both.
From: United States
nice to hear from you, as always, Scandi. have a great one, yourself
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For all those gun-loving NRA lobbyists, can you give one example of anyone successfully defending themself from owning a gun?
@ Roy
Bull Ship...... If you have a gun you need to have to balls to use it. Shoot first and answer questions later.
Thats how it works.
but the statistics prove otherwise. It doesn't work.
As soon as they suspect you have a gun they shoot you before you get the chance to get it out, cock, aim and fire it.
I agree that overall guns do no good because they usually end up in the hand of the wrong person.. but this video has two examples on how they were used the right way to get rid off ruffians:
abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605#.T9CqhsXEbIs
but in most cases the guns where used to kill or hurt some one.
i believe only the police and army should carry guns, the problem in the dr it has no real army or police. the facts show that these two branches of the government bring their own "crime wave to the people of the dr"
scary place the dr is for every one who vists or lives there.
if one has a problem their is no one who will or can help u.
but the good news is that we have our own choo choo train. now pres leo could have use that money to at least try and form a real police force and get some kind of formal education for the kids who just might become police officers in the future.
all aborad leos choo choo train.
WONDER WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN?
GUESS HE WANTED TO ACT LIKE HES AN FBI AGENT..
Owning a firearm for protection, owning one to kill someone .....
A person committing a crime with a firearm is already committed to using it...
Most will hesitate, the criminal will not.....
Are you ready to kill someone????
IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS.... THATS NICE TO SEE THAT.
U PLAY BY THE RULES.
IF ALL DID IT THE WAY U DO IT THEN IT JUST MIGHT WORK.
What's wrong with having a back-up snub nose Three-Eight at the ankles and letting the thug take your primary then shooting them in the BACK of the HEAD.
If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns. Gun control laws only disarms possible victim yet does nothing to disarm criminals. Most armed robbers with guns won't hesitate for a minute to use it.
I'm against the death penalty but in some cases as a deterant .....it demands it knowing it would be a burden on the tax payers and most likely after a long prison term the convicted would be set free with more criminal training.
My condolences to the family.
But at the same time it's the state leader in death penalty executions.
Everybody knows that usually when everybody is allow to have guns , it usually ends in the wrong hands, and in this case some people dot have a chance to use it...
Guns shouldnt be allow to ANYBODY but law enforcement, cuz we are not in Vietnam, Colombia, or Iraq.
So, in the future, if somebody try to rob you, he should be using a nailclipper..!
population?
DannyOO:
No branch of the military of the USA,England,Canada,Australia carry weapons outside the
barracks regardless of rank,unless you are on a special mission abroad and are told by your
superiors what type of weapons are to be used as required , Other-wise it remains under lock
and keys at the barracks and munition to be given at the front line or at the fire-range by the
sergents and each round accounted for.You are not allowed to keep any weapons upon
descharge from the military or retire from same. That is why we have a Civilian Police
Enforcement Agency
The only branch to carry short arms were the MP(military police) and they were never over the
civilian police as it is in Latin America.Even in England the police bobbies don't carry weapons.
"Tough talk, elBuscoon,
but the statistics prove otherwise. It doesn't work."
Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence
MILLIONS of people every year use Guns lawfully to stop and prevent crime
This a sign of culture and civilization of which we lock. Instead of an army we have an army of
thugs and the people are also protecting themselvews from such evel.I wouldn't doubt it if the
illitrate police in DR are renting their guns to the civilians,to make up their misser wages to
support their families.
I still say do like Costa Rica did in 1935 and abolished their military and cut down on the police .
This budget in turn could be used for EDUCATION,HEALTH,INFRASTRUCTURE.hire educated
police, Also get rid of all the VIP protection that is sucking up all the police crime prevention force
specially at the gig cities..
another thing, Police is corrupt and abuse their power as now, imagine how much abuse would go on if they were certain of unarmed citizens. I've had a clash months ago with an official from the national police "Death Squad", he tried to intimidate me with his guys at a community baseball event, little did he know, I was accompanied by a foreign security firm, as I was dressed in civil clothes, and they were dressed as the typical american "tourists". I remind you this was a POLICE OFFICIAL. I've had several incidents in this country were police don't follow Protocol (placing themselves in danger) and I've had to Identify myself because they go too far.
I do believe if he hadnt possessed a firearm, things would have probably gone a different direction!
However the reality is, gun-related homicides in Australia have plummeted to less than 1 per 100,000 per year in most states, since tightening gun control by citizens. Murder rate in gun-totin' Dominican Republic in 2010 was 25 and in 2011 was 31, per 100,000.
"Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence"
Straight off the NRA website????
"gun control in Australia" mean the restriction of automatic weapons and requirement to be a member of gun clubs for most other guns registration... You would find gun club membership would have gone up too. Skeet shooting is very popular.
""Actually the statistics prove that having a gun prevents and stops crime and violence"
Straight off the NRA website????"
Nope Straight from independent research studies
I suggest you read up on Dr. Gary Kleck, Noted criminologist from Florida State University and his famous statistical study. The study that nobody of any repute has been able to repudiate.
David Hemenway is Professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health. He has a B.A. (1966) and Ph.D.(1974) from Harvard University in economics. He is the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. He is also currently a James Marsh Visiting Professor-at-Large at the University of Vermont. Dr. Hemenway has written over 130 articles and five books in the fields of economics and public health.
A study of gun use in the 1990s, by David Hemenway at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, showed that criminal use of guns is far more common than self-defense use of guns, the opposite of pro-gun lobbyist Kleck.
The evidence of the benefits of reducing gun ownership is overwhelming. It seems anthonyC has shot himself in the foot again.
The Police might also want to look as suspects Josean, Basta, and Brasilegno
The evidence of the benefits of reducing gun ownership is overwhelming. It seems anthonyC has shot himself in the foot again.
he should give some serious consideration to shooting himself in the head.
Dread, I didnt know he had a "head".
Btw have a nice weekend both.