200,000 big number that has left paradise island. why?

shark bait in the waters around puerto rico which has an 16% unemployment rate

maybe they don't know the dr has a new pres. now and their will be many many jobs for the people.

many jobs for the people.= firs we need to fire 450,000.

Do both countries a favor - torpedo the youlas while still at sea.

Danny00 - The DR is a cesspool of corruption regardless of what caudillo is risen to the throne...

Basta - Indeed! I would add that the whole governmental composition should be changed with new, educated and socially responsible Dominicans

RoyStone - I would not reccomend that PR do the work of the DR government. The DR does it in a much more internationally irresponsible way by permitting the droves impoverished to leave and thus let other economies (the US) deal with their problem!

The empire invaded Puerto Rico in 1898 and Admiral Sampson's bombing of Old San Juan, caused 101 victims among the civilian population, P.R. is now unquestionably the most socially dysfunctional country in the region. The U.S. invaded D.R. in 1965 (besides the 1916-1924 bloody occupation), and caused at least 4,000 deaths, with the Cold War hysterical paranoia of pretext of "communism". Uncle Sam is reaping now what it has historically sown but it keeps whining about the bill that history continues to pass on, generation after generation.

ArielFornari - And now the Dominican government surrepticiously allows its empoverished to seek the benefits of the empire via allowing their illegal migration while gaining from the trade of drugs to PR and the US (both of which occur at the same time and by the same means - Yolas)
I know of no Dominican who would not give an arm and a leg to be able to travel to the US with a valid visa. Those who have these guard them with their life. Those who do not are willing to give the former for it!

Those people were NOT Dominican, they were Haitian (!)
Now, what do you have to say ? ... please, let us HEAR YOUR VOICES (!)

Tschotschua - If it comes from Hispanola, it does not matter what part of it it comes from. The dynamics of the human trade are the same...

That is SHIT when Haitians come to Dom. Rep. and they get deported WE ARE (Plain and Simple) RACIST (!)

I say deport em all. Now deport all Americans from Puerto Rico .

That's right, send them back right away. When someone breaks the law of any country that person should receive what the law prescribes, in this case deportation, we should do the same with the Haitians, CASE CLOSED!

Lucky souls. Now, dont do that again

You risk your life when you get in a Yola. You risk your life when you drive or walk down a street in this country, so what's the difference? At least in a Yola you have some prospect of escape.

From the foto, it appears of those these individuals are Haitians, not Dominicans. Perhaps the foto is not the actual of foto, but a file foto of some other group. Im not certain, but I am certain that these people do not appear to be Dominican.

Its also pretty ironic how Dominicans attempt to escape the D.R. because of poverty by heading to Puerto Rico, while Haitians attempt to escape poverty in Haiti by heading to the D.R.. I really do not understand why these Dominicans do not want to perform these plentiful jobs which are available in the D.R., but instead rather have Haitians do it and then complain about Haitians presence in the country. The Dominicans who were detained here, will now spend a wonderful time in a federal detention facility in the U.S. or Puerto Rico. Plenty of good food, excercise, education opportunities and work in the prison work industries where they can earn a few bucks, much similar to what they would have earned working in any area where haitians are no

brasilenosisback, asks
"I really do not understand why these Dominicans do not want to perform these plentiful jobs which are available in the D.R."

Because it is dirty, hard and poorly-paid work. According to Dominicans, Haitians are the black descendents of African slaves, while Dominicans are the white descendents of the Spanish nobility. Dominicans' right is to own the land (from squatting) not to dig it.

send those marikitas back cono.get u butts back here hahah lol
"Rock the boat don't rock the boat baby,rock the boat don't tip the boat over"lol

Jeanarenas-IInformationclearinghouse article 31522.....by Joseph Stiglitz..."Nowadays, these numbers show that the American dream is a myth. There is less equality of opportunity in the United States today than there is in Europe – or, indeed, in any advanced industrial country for which there are data.

This is one of the reasons that America has the highest level of inequality of any of the advanced countries – and its gap with the rest has been widening. In the “recovery” of 2009-2010, the top 1% of US income earners captured 93% of the income growth. Other inequality indicators – like wealth, health, and life expectancy – are as bad or even worse. The clear trend is one of concentration of income and wealth at the top, the hollowing out of the middle, and increasing poverty at the bottom."...............Now pray tell us WHICH U.S. were you referring to?......

....And no offense meant to either Dominicantoday.com or its fans, but I somehow have the sneaky suspicion that this media MUST be subsidized by USAID or the CIA. Now you are probably all scratching your heads and wondering WHY I came to this off the wall conclusion huh? Well, here's the humdinger, some time ago when the news came out of President Balaguer being an FBI informant, as revealed by the declassified files of Tim Weiner's recent book on the FBI, I made a search on Dominicantoday.com search engine's on that subject, and lo and behold NOTHING came up. Now I see that Dominicantoday.com no longer allows urls within its comments, which also leads me to reasonably believe, that the administrators are censuring/moderating references which could upset the apple cart, of the paper's pro-imperialist propaganda line.

If anybody doesn't believe what I just posted, try inserting for example...."president balaguer's 1966 elections were financed by the state department"....or "tim weiner's book reveals president balaguer was an fbi informant", in this paper's search engine, and see if you get any results. This will confirm that dominicantoday.com is a pro-imperialist opinion matrix, part of what they call "fourth generation warfare".

MRARIEL.
I DONT KNOW HOW U ARE BUT YOUR COMMENT
.
The empire invaded Puerto Rico in 1898 and Admiral Sampson's bombing of Old San Juan, caused 101 victims among the civilian population, P.R. is now unquestionably the most socially dysfunctional country
U SPEAK ABOHT THE EMPIRE, WELL LET ME TELL U SOME THING.
IN THE 1960'S AND EARLY 70'S UNCLE SAM OPEN THE FLOOD GATES AND THE FOLKS RAN FOR THE STATES LIKE COCKERROACHES [THEY DID BRING MANY WITH THEM WHEN ARRIVE IN NEW YORK} THEY CAME FOR THE FREE MONEY{THEY CALLED IT WELFARE IN THOSES DAYS.} THEY WHERE VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL BACK THEN AS THEY ARE TODAY.
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THEM AND LIVED WITH THEM. THEY WHERE AND ARE TODAY LIKE WILD MEN.

they bought the drugs with them to sell, they destoryed the cities, and the schools they brought their own crime with them
the more babies a girl had the more money she would get from the social services so they had many kids. 1st time i went to the island i was shocked to see the way they lived in the small villages running around naked and with many wild dogs roaming the streets.
think your a uncle sam hater who speaks out from his a....s....
u really want to know about the people from puerto rico ask me.
dont throw your bull shit around when u dont know what your taking about.

And no offense meant to either Dominicantoday.com or its fans, but I somehow have the sneaky suspicion that this media MUST be subsidized by USAID or the CIA

OTHER CIA IDIOT..
JOKE U ARE FOOL.
WHO SENT U GUY?
THE DEA OR THE CIA?
OR WAS IT THE SCHOOL OF JERKS THAT SENT U OVER HERE?
IDIOT GO SHINE SOME SHOES TODAY AND MAKE YOUR SELF A FEW PESOS.

what the hell do u know about puerto rico
bet u have never even been their

arielfornari
if your not happy with this paper or uncle sam when dont read or post on this site and for sure dont come to the states who needs u.
stay in your campo and be happy watching the grass grow.
i wonder what would have happen to this world {just look at the problems it has now}
if uncle sam did not win war world 2 and became a world force and leader?
iam one person who is in support of uncle sam and the roll he plays in this wild and crazy world which has a lot of leaders from differnt countries which if given the chance destroy this world as we know of it today.
god bless the united states.

dont think the dominican people would have fit into hitlers plan for the master race. nor the folks from puerto rico.

master race sure the two above mention would be part of the master race.
just take a look at them now and what they have given to the world.

choo choo train
all aboard.

Dominican Today, like every publication, is paid for by it's advertisers. Just look at advertisements and you will know who they are. As far as I can see the editorial staff have a pretty free hand. There is both praise and criticism of this country. Probably more of the latter, since there is little worthy of praise here.

and the server resides in Phoenix Arizona

Hey danny who the hell are you to comment about our peoples migrations to the US. First of all your comments seem to be from someone that grew up in some slum with slumdwelling neighbors of all races and nationalities. I'm sure Dominicans weren't your only neighbors. That's one thing about the New York I grew up in, everywhere you went there was variety.

Which brings me to question your warped and biased assertions. The first Dominicans to move to US (New York City circa 1963) were of families of means and more educated than the next generation of immigrants. They did not bring drugs you fool nor did they jump on the welfare roles as many of my Puerto Rican brethren were doing. Most of this first generation of Dominicans as many after them, dedicated themselves to establishing legitimate businesses and raising their Dominican born children and their newborn 1st generation Americans. These Dominican pioneering families laid the groundwork for the future DR enclaves in NYC.

Many worked in the garment industries learning the trade to then open their own factories. They opened bakeries, electronic stores, grocery stores galore, and many joined the professional ranks.
Up until the early 1970's Dominicans were not involved in the drug trade. This was run by Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Black Americans with Italians supplying the drugs( mostly heroin).
When Dominicans did become involve however it took less than 10 years to control the trade.( Which had switched to mostly cocaine with the Columbians now bringing it into the country.) By the early to mid eighty's many Dominicans' dream was to come to Nueva York to get rich with the powder. Many have lost their way both spiritually and professionally. But these were not a majority of Dominicans. How then can you explain the economic growth of what became the first large enclave of Dominican owned businesses in Washington Heights, followed by prosperous Dominican colonies in Hartford, Boston and Philly.

venganzaderafael,
Thank you for the historic summary.
It must be disappointing for the original old families to see what has become of their younger countrymen. Perhaps they now identify as Americans, not Dominicans?

In Philadelphia alone between 1990 to 1995 Dominicans, many from the town of Cotui opened over 500 businesses in several areas of the city. Some of these areas were in depressed Puerto Rican enclaves with no businesses high unemployment and drug abuse. Dominicans have been a positive influence in many parts of this country. Growing up here should have given you the intellect to realize you can't paint an entire people with one stroke danny00. Especially growing up in NYC. By your
comments danny I'd say you " went to school and lived with Dominicans" in the late 70's to early 80's which does not qualify you to comment on Dominican immigration of the 60's. I was there and I am a Dominican. What and who the hell are you?

Roy it hasn't been so much the 1st generation of American born that has gone awry as much as later and newer immigrants. The 1st generation has the advantage of being citizens and speaking the language. The hardcore are the ones that came in the late 70's and early 80's. Many with insufficient education. These are the wildmen danny00 can identify with. Many came illegally, did not speak english and saw the drug trade as their route to success.
I once met a fellow while in the DR who swore loyalty to the point of killing for me if I could help him get to the states. Sad commentary on the aspirations of youths. This is not as danny and other detractors would say a Dominican thing but rather a worldwide condition of love of money and immoral behavior.

But getting on the topic of this article, it was right to send them back. I especially appreciate that some were detained and processed, something DR must do with the influx of our illegal immigrants.

Roy, in a Yola they might be of use to the marine biology.

Written by: RoyStone, 7 Jun 2012 6:25 PM
From: Australia
brasilenosisback, asks
"I really do not understand why these Dominicans do not want to perform these plentiful jobs which are available in the D.R."

Because it is dirty, hard and poorly-paid work. According to Dominicans, Haitians are the black descendents of African slaves, while Dominicans are the white descendents of the Spanish nobility. Dominicans' right is to own the land (from squatting) not to dig it.
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So i guess the haitians come to DR on a Slave ship right? and they are forced in to labour at the point of a Gun, right?

I have not seen ANY dominican COMPLAINING on the deportation of 52 of their fellow citizens, GOOD, i expect the same from the Haitian People while deporting Haitian s from DR for the SAME reason, but THAT does not happens does it?...

Airgordo, for obvious reasons you do not understand since I suppose u are a dominican, and hence do not obey the few laws that exist in the republic, so do your government.

it is NOT my problem that you could not understand simple ideas on very simple english...

airgordo,
I don't recall saying anything about slave ships or guns on this matter. They come to the Dominican Republic because conditions are even worse in their country, and their government and privileged classes are even more corrupt than yours, so your dirty, hard, poorly-paid jobs are better than no job at all. Even Trujillo, despite his typically Dominican prejudice against Haitians, eventually realized your country's economy needs them. Maybe you will one day?

They come FREELY, by will, my point is made since you depict the dominicans as slightly short from "white slave masters"...economy needs SOME of them, not what we have now...

"Even Trujillo, despite his typically Dominican prejudice against Haitians, eventually realized your country's economy needs them. Maybe you will one day?"

That is a lie being constantly fed to the Dominican people. All that the illegal Haitians do is depress the wages of the poorest Dominicans (who are legion) and nothing else.

I'd say:

"All that the Slave drivers ( Dominican Elite and Foreigners) who hire illegal Haitians do is depress the wages of the poorest Dominicans (who are legion) and nothing else"

Once my Dominican brothers will identify their TRUE ENEMY i.e their racist (racial prejudice against their own folks see Orlando Objío) and corrupt "elite", may be all of their problem ( Education gaps, Drug , Prostitution, Corruption) will be dwindled in a huge scale.

Illegal Haitians are only the tip of the iceberg and are hired by your own racist elite who let them in or by your own soldiers at the border. Illegal Haitians issue is only one chapter of the huge corruption in the DR.Your greedy "top" families need them to increase their profits, which they obviouly don't want to share with their own folks (increase the average salary rate).

Yet this @ssholes will pass as patriots, they are the scum of your nation period

Nehesy, regardless of how you slice it and who it is that is indeed responsible for the illegals in Dominican terroritory, their presence depressess the wages of the poorest Dominicans. That is a fact that cannot be argued against. It has nothing to do with race, nothing to do with nationality. In my own lifetime and with my own eyes I have seen how illegal labor can undermine the working poor.
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. I come from a neighborhood in Brooklyn that once had a huge pool of manufacturing jobs for low skilled workers. They weren't great jobs but many of our parents were able to provide for us with said jobs. This is back when the neighborhood was predominately Puerto Rican with a sprinkling of old Irish and a few Dominicans, mostly from my hometown and mostly all of them legal residents. All the before mentioned groups recieved at the very least the minimum wage in the jobs I alluded to. In the early 90s my old neighborhood experienced an influx of illegal Mexican labor. Almost overnight ALL minimum wage jobs in the manufacturing sector dissapeared. Oh, the jobs were still there. But said jobs were being performed by illegal mexicans who worked for well under the minimum wage, a situation that persists until today.
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The Puerto Rican community in particular (and to a lesser extant my community) was hard hit by these developments, so much so that they have become displaced in a neighborhood where once they were the majority. Don't feed me the line. I know what illegal labor can do to poor communities when it is available in abundant supplies and where you have employers who flaunt labor laws.

"their presence depressess the wages of the poorest Dominicans" Cibaeno75

I won't say different but ALL capitalists do or did the same. Uncle Sam is whinning against Mexicans, but they did the same against their own population i.e importing immigrants who would accept slave like salaries in order to depress the wages : Irish, Chinese, Polish, Italians, Greeks or "nationals" like AAs. So the Dominican Elite is not inventing a new thing , Rockefeller and Carnegie did it before them.

My own dad arrived in France in the middle 70s as a student, but finished as a skilled worker, but I'm telling you something in the place he used to work 95 % were strangers : spanish, portuguese, north and west africans => the natives did not want the job : TOO TOUGH. He is in sixties and MOST of his friends are dead, and they lived in a civilized country but the elites will always find desperate people to do the job => support the family abroad (parents, brothers, sisters etc) and set a better

Fine..but how can you honestly compare societies like the US and France to DR? DR is a poor, underdeveloped country..it doesn't seem as such when compared to its neighbor, but it is...at this point the Dominican state simply cannot absorb Haiti's poor. DR has more than enough of its own poor. And I also find the argument (not that you brought it up) that the haitians are doing jobs that Dominicans won't do preposterous. Go to Puerto Rico. You'll find illegal Dominican labor doing the same thing to Puerto Rican labor (but nowhere near the same scale)..there you'll find Dominicans doing agricultural work and you'll also find them VERY well represented in the construction industry. Sound familiar? Except in PR they are getting wages for their labor that they would never recieve back home. Most Dominicans simply will not work for the pay that most illegal Haitians will.

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Future for their offspring.It's not a race thing because Spanish, Portuguese, Polish etc suffered prejudice in France because of their immigrant status: all of them are Europeans and shared roughly the same culture.

My problem with the Dominican ELITE is that they are racists ( they fed all that poison in the history books), YET they have no problem to bring in illegal haitians for their own benefit, at the sametime they don't care about their nationals, PLUS they feed the HEAT between the nationals and the illegals

Cibaeno

If Dominicans don't accept the wages , the slave drivers will go for more Haitians and it will increase the gap between the 2 nations.

I was speaking of the US, because their population was not better off in the 19 th : slave like jobs, famines, Child labor, women prostitution to feed their children, immigrants imported to break their strikes, riots, strikers killed by the police etc

They finally "won" because they fought their elite (Unions). Uncle Sam sent the Police and the army against their own population who fought against the slave paid jobs, many of them were killed by the police, but at the end USA became a "better place" for the natives.

You will rid off the Illegals only if the people who employ them are seriously opposed by the natives.

"You will rid off the Illegals only if the people who employ them are seriously opposed by the natives."

Granted. But most attempts from within have been dismissed as racist and/or xenophobic by the international community, who's support would be vital in the struggle. Perhaps now you can appreciate this very Dominican dilemma.