There is no correlation with raising education funding and improve student performance. If anything one has to look at the USA and see how more funding leads to lower performance.

Ant-knee!!! Quick Stand-up, you can't think straight, it sounds like you're mumbling and your're turning blue.

well

anthonyc is right, sad to say. the problem is not only in funding, but how it is spent. if it goes to capital projects, and politicized appointments, it will achieve less than zero. so, we see where test scores have actually FALLEN, after 12 years of Leo, the education president. well , Ricardolito, what have you to say to this grim news? worse yet, the math and science performances are dismaying, in this age of technology. maybe ATABEY can tell us how we are going to be an innovation economy, when the kids cannot do simultaneous equations.

Well put Dreadmon.

But, when ant-knee clinches his butt he is actually holding his breath and keeping himself buoyant.

If the Kids ride the METRO the test scores will surely improve!

Let's not overlook a really important fact. The tests administered to 8th grade students here, which so many are failing, are the same tests that are given to the 5th and 6th grades in Europe and the US.

Perhaps the testing regime IS the reason for the outcome.

Ever think that IF and When the testing regime ACTUALLY got started for real in DR that the results would not bring to the front these outcomes? I'm surprised it's only 20%

When DR gets into PISA testing standards, then we will have a real sense of where our children rank internationally. But the legacy of soooo many decades of poor funding and achievement in the educational field IS the real cause of our current problems. And NOT even Dready dares think differently.

They should give more money for the people that are not doing their jobs? The whole system of education needs to change. When you have school teachers that can't read or write teaching the children

"When you have school teachers that can't read or write teaching the children" : Mart1n,

So right!

Of course, if some people had their way, why spend money to increase the quality of the teaching staff? Teaching staff quality just improves out of thin air, no need to spend/invest money on that important component. LOL

I've said it before, and I'll say again: in order to improve the quality of the educational system in DR, in order to produce more qualified students, we need to invest or spend more money. The staffing problems-ie., the quality of the teachers needs to improve with greater emphasis on the math and sciences. And you can't do these things without improving pay and increasing investments. Are there problems with corruption in the system? Yes. Should these problems be addressed and corrected: YES. But IT STILL would leave unmet needs. And remember, you can not realistically think that a ZERO corruption environment will or can be produced.

Whose responsibility is education? The parents that often feels it’s their job to get their kids to do well in school and do their homework to be a success in life.

By the way, we also need 6% :)

WTF???!!!!!! 20% , dios mío I hope thats wrong



no role model + reggaetone + stolen moped + 500 pesos + 2 grandes+ no education = what ???

Dreadlocks , yes you and anthonyC are definitely correct , it is how the money is spent ,,This lastyear I have only been teaching when other teachers are absent but the students have free access to me when they want help before exams
Juanb is also correct in that the standard of exam papers are not set very high . In the two shools that I have been associated with , I actually have been impressed by the teaching of mathematics and sciencebut the teaching of spanish and literature and history is poor .The main reason is that in the DR you cannot get by with a poor teacher because the school books are so bad or alternatively the schools do not have them ..Everyone seems excellent with computers and I phone
But to return to the point that extra money does not guarentee better education ..I totally agree ,,If only we had some big high schools with a range of subjects and facilities instead of the huge number of small schools with no facilities and staff shortages

The problems in the Instructional field of elementary and secondary schools is mainly due to the incompetency of the text books used and issue by the school board. They had been using the same text books not only for the public schools but also for private one. The publisher of Santillana are the only beneficiaries as far as money involved. How much money is involve in this and who are the players getting their hands full that is the question. Is just as the school lunch program which sicken many children now is their academic intellectual capacity that is also at stake. The teachers can only be as competent as the books and methods issued to them. That so called 4% will get lost in the pockets of schools administrators who will pretend that they invested it well. Another issued is that public school Instruction ( which is what students received not EDUCATION ) is not for the poor. While my son receives instructions at his private school, I educate him at home. His good at math

and social science as well as his other subjects. His brother who graduated top of his class from the same school and continued to finished his university makes sure that his brother will not stay behind. His cousin who took the test last year passed it, we are raising her and she attends the same private school as my son, his twelve and she is fourteen. They are fortunate but many other children are not. Again the problems are not the teachers nor the students ,for example, if you take your car to a repair shop but inside the shop they don't have the adequate equipment to fix it nothing can be done and you will wonder why that repair shop even exist. Schools administrators make sure that out of so many schools there will be those left without the proper equipment thus a high percentage of drop-outs and failures. This gives them the reasons to present so as to require more funding ( money ) for their pockets and it goes on and on. I know this from the inside cause I was a teacher.

You are lucky ...nearly every student I have taught comes from a single parent home where they sleep 3 to a bed and are so tired sometimes at school and of course the parent is uneducated and can not assist ,,

Vargas, you left out the part where the director instructs the teachers to fail students with passing grades so that the summer school classes are filled and the low payed teachers can make ends meet.

I don't know much about the public school in the DR cause my son only attends private school. I do know that teachers do various standards, they teach in the morning, afternoon and even in the night. Some work both for private school and public school. Similar to Doctors who do several standards and some that had their own private clinics and work at public hospitals. These is the norm in the DR cause is part of the political motto " save yourself as best you can ". That teachers and doctors do this is not wrong what is wrong is that the government does not provide them with the proper tools so they can do their job more efficiently. I know doctors who give away sample medicine to their patients who can't afford to buy it and if they can afford it is not available. The sample many times is of better quality. Both of these sectors will go on like that cause the motto is again " save yourself as best you can " , no one will come and rescued you or your love ones.

hvargas,anthony c,Roberto jose,dreadlockcs,Josean,Atabey,Ricardito:

As i remember back in Balaguer's and Trujillo's days, we had a Municipal inspector that took care of all the elementary schools that were around 23 in Altamira's country side as well as up to the 8th grade in the main Town. Those in the country side were up to the 3rd grade the rest had to attend in the Town of Altamira,Later on a HS was anexed same as in other municipalities of DR
All teachers had to be certified and finish the teacher emergency normal 4th yr grad. were they specialized in teaching only,For a bachillerato's lrvel they had to come from the teacher's college 4yrs University.The normalistas got half pay as of those that came out of a teacher's college US$ 60 monthly=to todays pay US$600=to a soldier's pay and a policeman's. All the testing came out of the Board of Education from the Capital in a seal envelope for the 6th & 8th graders.

continue :

Those that failed 3 subjects out of 12 had to repeat the full year. There were no summer schools

like here to make up subjects but another chance was given around July-August. Schools were

not broken in 6 months terms like here but 12 months including summer vacation. There were

not Physical education but brakes every 2 hrs, I some times wonder if it would had been better

in semesters, this way you could absorve 6 subjects at a time instead of 12 and have to face the

music, when June came and you forgot what you had learned at the beguining of the school year

I don't know how the school system is there anymore as to the requirement to be a school teacher

All i know there was no time to think about democracy or politics since it was one party system.

Nevertheless i was very glad it was since we learned a lot and the teachers were very qualify.

RobertoJose:

I can see changes by your last statement"the director was forced to fail students to fill the classes"

In my days who ever faied could not go to summer school since there were none and teachers got

a paid vacation and students went to the beach in Puerto Plata,If you could not pass the next time

the test was given with in two months then taugh ,just had to repeat the full year.The teachers had

1/2 pay per month retirement pension after 20 years. Young enogh to get another job or work for

themselves,As Atabay says the 8th graders in DR now are given a 5th grade elementary US or EU

equivalent test,when it was all the opposite then an 8th grader in DR in Trujillo's time was the

same as a 4th year GED in NYC. Anthony C is correct ,money does not buy education,just helps

to hold on to good teachers and comparing it to education in USA, To my believe in the USA they

don't want to so you have to pay later.

Written by: anthonyC, 10 Jul 2012 8:38 AM

There is no correlation with raising education funding and improve student performance. If anything one has to look at the USA and see how more funding leads to lower performance.

Written by: dreadlocks, 10 Jul 2012 10:35 AM

anthonyc is right, sad to say. the problem is not only in funding, but how it is spent. if it goes to capital projects, and politicized appointments, it will achieve less than zero. so, we see where test scores have actually FALLEN, after 12 years of Leo, the education president. well , Ricardolito, what have you to say to this grim news? worse yet, the math and science performances are dismaying, in this age of technology. maybe ATABEY can tell us how we are going to be an innovation economy, when the kids cannot do simultaneous equations."

If we are referring to the wealthier nations of the world, then your statement about higher spending NOT yielding better results is Correct. BUT we are talking about DR.

And according to PISA, when specifically referring to the Latin American nations and the Caribbean nations, higher spending does move or trend with higher levels of achievement.

Yes, "On Average, countries that invest more per student perform better in all subject grades."


So let's compare apples to apples and not get caught up with comparing Wealthier nations like the USA that spend vast amounts on students when compared to small developing nations like the Dominican Republic.

There is much latent achievement and uplift potential in DR that a relatively Average sum of investment, as per % of GDP, IN THE LATIN AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN CONTEXT, can realize in the Dominican Republic. The 4% of GDP invested wisely will uplift hundreds of thousands of young Dominicans.

So no Ricardolito, you were right and Dready, sadly playing his role of undertaker and doom and gloom, was and is incorrect in the DR context.

"If we are referring to the wealthier nations of the world, then your statement aboutr spending ..... BUT we are talking about DR."

Could we apply that to spend on the Political LUXURY of spending on the METRO at the expense of spending on the PRORITY of EDUCATION?

Josean,

The Metro idea was actually brought up during the Hippo's time in office. Lula, I believe, suggested the idea. The French government has worked with the DR in making it possible. As to the question: Should the DR have developed another less expensive scheme to solve the transportation problems of SD? Perhaps. But let's stay FOCUS: Education.

AC and Dready are referring (when making the argument that additionally spending on education will not improve education) to the wealthier countries in the world, NOT the DR. In these nations LONG DEPRIVED of consistent and adequate educational investments, additional spending, wisely utilized, will produce substantive positive results in the population.

Poor students in Latin America & the Caribbean are TWO YEARS behind their wealthier counterparts in their respective countries. If additional spending didn't matter, the differences would be close to zero. So additional spending DOES make a difference in DR.

says the development economist, Atabey

So no Ricardolito, you were right and Dready, sadly playing his role of undertaker and doom and gloom, was and is incorrect in the DR context.

then, Atabey, instead of your usual running off at the mouth, bring me the working papers to prove it. explain to me why there seems to be no negative correlation between expenditure on education and economic outcomes in , say, Nigeria. i already stated that fact, but whenever you choose to sound scholarly , you seem to have selective amnesia. i am not going to spar with you, forever. you have a need to sound smart. i already did this stuff, have the sheepskins to prove it, and do not need to fence with an ignoramus. the people who count have an idea of what i do, and do not, know.

"The Metro idea was actually brought up during the Hippo's time in office. Lula, I believe, suggested the idea."


So what you saying is that even HIPPO the Burro was not stupid enough to embark on this IDIOCITY!



"Should the DR have developed another less expensive scheme to solve the transportation problems of SD? Perhaps. But let's stay FOCUS: Education."


TRANSLATION

Let's change the subject because the whole World Has come to realize what an ASSHOLE of an idea that was in country where Public EDUCATION is in the Stone Age and i don't want to be further embarrassed by it, having supported it WHOLEHEARTLY!

says the eternal cretin, Atabey, a LIAR, and an unrepentant lowlife, who has a depraved indifference to the truth

AC and Dready are referring (when making the argument that additionally spending on education will not improve education) to the wealthier countries in the world,

Atabey, you are such a loathsome dirtbag, the best you can do is to misrepresent what people say, in order to get ahead. NEVER have i said that additional allocation will not improve education. what i have said is that if there is additional allocation, and it is misspent, it will have no positive effect. i stated that if it was spent on capital expenditure monuments, rather than current expenditure, the results would probably be negative. i specifically referred to the expenditure of a million dollars of the education budget to build a parking lot at the SD campus of UASD. can we expect that one day you will grow up, and stop trying to WIN posting discourses, by LYING about other posters´positions?

it really distresses me that civilized people, who try to carry on an academic discourse, have to share the same space as a piece of pond scum like Atabey, a miserable and verminous creature,a loathsome rodent, who is utterly unscrupulous, and will LIE at any opportunity, in order to GET AHEAD. Atabey, you cannot, ever, get ahead of me, academically. never. you do not have the gifts. put that in your pipe, and smoke it.

"who has a depraved indifference to the truth'


Dr. Dread,

As usual, your diagnosis is Spot On!

josean, the guy has zero morals, less than zero integrity, and his character is imaginary.

Dready,

"Written by: anthonyC, 10 Jul 2012 8:38 AM
From: United States

There is no correlation with raising education funding and improve student performance. If anything one has to look at the USA and see how more funding leads to lower performance."

Notice that AC states that "no correlation exist with "raising education funding and improved performance." In other words, and PLEASE REMEMBER THE THREAD IS ABOUT 8th GRADE DOMINICAN STUDENT PERFORMANCE!, AC is making the argument that adding MORE FUNDING TO DR's education budget WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT PERFORMANCE!

And that's the contentious point I'm refuting WITH VALID PISA DOCUMENTATION. If you Dready or anyone else has a problem with that, provide YOUR NON-BIASED DOCUMENTED SOURCED INFORMATION. YOU CAN'T, SO YOU GO TO THE GUTTER. STAY ABOVE YOUR PREFERRED RESTING PLACE, OLD FART.

Josean,

Please read the materials more carefully, remember your GED Finals are coming. LOL

Finals? I am still working on my Phonics!

PS

How did you lose New York for the PLD to the PRD cab drivers with all your "intellectual" fire power!

i see that Atabey´s little romance with capital fundamentalism has lost its luster, lasting for less than a week. throw one grade school equation at him, and he bails for the exits, because the poor schlub cannot count far above 10. so, now he comes back to grounds where he thinks he can fudge the subject, give some obscure no sequitur copy and paste articles, and confuse the readership with a parade of obfuscations which would make Alan Greenspan proud. here is the deal, Atabey. when i am convinced that you understand the difference between CAUSATION, and CORRELATION, and you understand the use of stylized facts, and regression analysis, i will discuss the relationship between investment, and efficacy. before that, i am really wasting time on a fool who should be out jugando gallo.

Digressing from the REAL ISSUE: EDUCATION IN DR. But when you and buddy Dready are handed your heads, what else is there to do? LOL




If you think you have ANY documented sourced material to bring to the debate, where is it?

If not, take note:

Estas en ligas menores, Josean. Aprende, "los niños hablan cuando mean las gallinas”

says pond scum

Digressing from the REAL ISSUE: EDUCATION IN DR. But when you and buddy Dready are handed your heads, what else is there to do? LOL

handed their heads, he says. ok, Atabey, you win. want a cookie? poor little thing. so insecure, he is always looking to score a victory. i would love to have been around to witness the dynamics of your childhood, to discover what makes you have such a series of complexes.

Pelitas are free and pro bono on Sundays.

Estas en ligas menores, Josean. Aprende, "los niños hablan cuando mean las gallinas”

¡Entonces TÚ debes ser MUDO!

Just give us on DT an academic study based on Latin America and the Caribbean that supports your argument that in cases such as that of the Dominican Republic, higher investments/spending on Primary and Secondary education will not correlate with an increase in academic achievement.

If you feel and think it exist, fine PRODUCE THE GOODS DREADY AND JOSEAN.


I'm ALL EARS! LOL

Could you please state How the NARCO-PLD's "HIGHER INVESTMENTS/SPENDING" of Dominican TAXPAYER'S money did not CORRELATE into a Victory in NEW YORK with such a BIG League Intellectual Like yourself leading the effort?

Stay on TOPIC: Education spending/investments and Dominican Republic.

Will spending/investing more of GDP in Primary and secondary education hinder or have no discernible positive impact , as AC and Dready have stated, or improve, as I suggest, the achievement levels in the Dominican Republic?

"Stay on TOPIC: Education spending/investments and Dominican Republic."

TRANSLATION

I want to continue to beat a dead horse over the head because I’m embarrassed and want to avoid answering the question!

Stay on TOPIC: Education spending/investments and Dominican Republic.

Will spending/investing more of GDP in Primary and secondary education hinder or have no discernible positive impact , as AC and Dready have stated, or improve, as I suggest, the achievement levels in the Dominican Republic?


Translation:

The Thread is on education and 8th grade results in the DR.

Atabey:

There are two types of education..Home adquired quality and up bringing and the other is

obtained at the school or preparation for the future to be academic sustained citizen.

Refering to the first (if the parents are misbehaved shit heads, what do you think the offsprings

are going to be? I see that in NYC among Dominicans who already have brought bad habbits and

think that is the normThe kids always immitate their parents. Now if you took those kids and send

them to a (parrochial school as in boarding schools) and only see them in the summer,it would

be very unlikely they will copy from their parents. But again who has that kind of money.?

MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier,

I'm referring to the notion that additional spending or investments in the case of the DR would be wasted, to go by AC's contention-and supported by Dready. I see NO STUDY or documented source that shows that to be the case for the SPECIFIC CASE OF THE DR. I agree that in HIGH INCOME nations, the data does support that adding more spending will NOT get you better outcomes in education. The data shows that in High Income nations, similar outcomes are registered by having vastly differentiated investment streams. Take the PISA study on High Income nations as support documentation.

BUT the High Income data DOES NOT support AC's and Dready's contention about cases such as the DR. Which is, of course, the issue of this Thread. Another PISA study on Education in Latin America and Caribbean points to a TWO YEAR GAP within Latin American nations, due to higher spending on the richer cohort of students in different LA nations. In DR's case, where

the poorer sectors of society have been marginalized and given poor educational opportunities (FACT) investing more of GDP on their Primary and Secondary education WILL PRODUCE better outcomes. That's my contention. So increasing spending, as a percent of GDP to say 4% or even 6%, in the case of DR would indeed see POSITIVE outcomes and improve the educational opportunities for the looooooooooong neglected populations of Dominican families. But it will need to be consistent spending because it will take two or three decades to finally get the nation firmly within First World standards regarding educational opportunities for 5-18 year olds.

Mr. Rancier,

The fact is the Dr. Dread is a professional in the field of economic science and his concern is that money spent without targeted plans and controls is subject to the misuse and abuse that has been going on, only that it will be more costly to the taxpayer.

That is a logical, professional commonsense concern and approach.

The loser from New York, and DT I might add, is just looking for “ LA QUINTA PATA AL GATO” because he is ENVIOUS that he neither has the professional credentials or natural intelligence of Dr. Dread!

CASE CLOSED!

Atabey:

I ran that thru Franklin Almeyda Rancier, last year while in DR ,been he was incharged of the UAD
in Balaguer's time and his answer was"you can lead a horse to water but can't force him to drink it

The students were never happy with the situation then and decided to put the chairs at blaze as a
demostration they weren't happy and decided to go on at all strike against the institution that offered free learning.'It is like biting the hand that feeds you' When Balaguer wanted to replace the chairs he told him not to 'let them learn a lesson,to sit on the floor'.That was the only bad out
come, when you get free education and want to bring politic into the class room,demanding some
thing when you don't pay for what you were getting.exploiting the system while they were afraid to graduate since that meant work after 10 -12 years as aggitators.

All three of you have a point :Atabey ,true more money for education will bring more educated
children (provided the money is spent wisely and not in Sto Dgo only) to be distributed equitatively
in the nation.Furthermore if the money is not applied on getting qualifty teachers and just to give them a job for the sake of having a job then i don't see the pont. If they had to answer to a centralized authority like Trujillo then it would be worth it,since he was not there for 4 years only to give some one else the headaches thereafter.
That is what Mr Dread is leading to and i agree with him. Don't forget the system has deteriorated
to a point beyond salvation after Trujillo's time, where they will steal anything that is not bolted down or could blame the next administration as we can see blaming each other for the national debt.
Not all of them are University materials.So the best thing is to create Vocational/Technical scools.

"Written by: MrThelmoAlmeydaRancier, 15 Jul 2012 5:54 PM
From: United States, NJ

Atabey:

I ran that thru Franklin Almeyda Rancier, last year while in DR ,been he was incharged of the UAD
in Balaguer's time and his answer was"you can lead a horse to water but can't force him to drink it"

Let's concentrate on the issue at hand. Much as your information on university students is interesting, the ISSUE HERE is Primary and secondary education. The University debate is for another time, although I'm a firm believer that by that stage of the game students must be made to answer for the societal subsidies granted to them. Freebies or subsidized University studies are often misused. A side note, one thing done under Balaguer was to allow the USD go down the tube via large numbers of ill-prepared "professors" that got into line with the regime. Many so-called leftist from the 1960s.

So to get back on point, basic Primary and Secondary education in DR. As anyone worth his salt in this debate SHOULD understand and be aware of, the Dominican Republic has YET to achieve in its historical life a FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND UNIVERSAL SYSTEM OF EDUCATION.

My argument is that this quest must be the goal for the society. It is not possible to erect such a UNIVERSAL SYSTEM in DR without GREATER EXPENDITURES or Investments. The numbers of schools, primary, middle, and secondary, the materials and labs needed, the trained professionals needed, all add to enormous amounts of monies. No sane person thinks it possible to achieve this with 2.1% of GDP. Even with 4% of GDP it will be very difficult. So people like Dready, and his unthinking partner, la gallina del Barrio Manguito Josean, are using a strawman argument when they argue about "but how will it be spent?"

Even Under the least corrupt environment imaginable, the spending increase needed will be substantial.

Every nation that has achieved substantial literacy and general primary and secondary student achievement has done so providing far greater resources than the 1.0-2.1 % of GDP provided by the Dominican State since the Balaguer Era began after the 1960's Civil war. Check out Costa Rica, Jamaica and every other country that has made good strides in uplifting their student population.

Establishment of a universal school system providing a decent primary and secondary education across the DR is an essential and necessary condition towards modernization and development. Without it many children, especially the poorer ones, in DR will go without ever realizing their true potential in life. They will end up and be like Josean, hoping to get a botella from the likes of Hippo El Loco.

All this irrelevant rhetoric from a BLIND PLD SUPPORTER that was 1000% behind the Non-Priority METRO, until it became Toxic to The Dominican People as they realized it was usurping their Children’s EDUCATION funding .

So Now the Loser opportunist jumps on the EDUCATION bandwagon with a “Quinta Pata al Gato” chicken or the egg argument, trying to appear as he has been a supporter all along!


¡Mucha Buya y Poca Cabuya!



¡Mucha Espuma y Poco Chocolate!



TRANSLATION


Very Thick on Words, Yet Extremely Thin on Substance; the Trade Mark of the NARCO-PLD and Their in the Tank Supporters!


SAME CACA Different Posingt!


CASE CLOSED

says Atabey

I see NO STUDY or documented source that shows that to be the case for the SPECIFIC CASE OF THE DR.

no economic, nor development theory is based on cases pecific studies. it is beyond moronic to think that such a thing can be accomplished. that is why we have econometric models, regression analysis, and cross country regressions. that is why we use statistical analysis. we start from a basis of stylized facts, and apply theory to the issue being studied. individual writers can embark on their own take , regarding their own countries, but the analysis will ALWAYS be governed by the same basic factors. maybe in your world, Atabey, those are the rules of analysis. those of us who studied the subject know better.

says Mr Rancier

I ran that thru Franklin Almeyda Rancier, last year while in DR ,been he was incharged of the UAD
in Balaguer's time and his answer was"you can lead a horse to water but can't force him to drink it

i believe that i said the same thing in an article before, and Atabey went ballistic, saying that i was insulting the Dominican people. so, Atabey, what is your current response, now that this is coming from a fellow Dominican?

says josean

Mr. Rancier,

The fact is the Dr. Dread is a professional in the field of economic science and his concern is that money spent without targeted plans and controls is subject to the misuse and abuse that has been going on, only that it will be more costly to the taxpayer.

thanks for your kind words. i have Atabey figured out. he is a guy who has been a loser all his life, and is now seeking redemption. he thought that he could gain that by coming into the site, and making himself a star. he was very quickly revealed to be a fraud, and an ignoramus, and his feelings have been hurt. i have shown him up to be a guy with a grade school dropout education, masquerading as a sage. so, he wants to fight with me , believing that he can turn the tables. sorry, Atabey. the smart money in this site knows who is the fool, and who went to school. that is why one poster observed you to be a guy looking up from the bottom of the Bell Curve.

Written by: dreadlocks,

says Mr Rancier

I ran that thru Franklin Almeyda Rancier, last year while in DR ,been he was incharged of the UAD
in Balaguer's time and his answer was"you can lead a horse to water but can't force him to drink it

i believe that i said the same thing in an article before, and Atabey went ballistic, saying that i was insulting the Dominican people. so, Atabey, what is your current response, now that this is coming from a fellow Dominican?"


Again with the Strawman argument. My CONTENTION is with the LACK of basic UNIVERSAL PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION IN DR. 1.0-2.1% of GDP wont do it.

The University students referred to are another set of issue that I will gladly debate on another Thread. As I've stated to you before, Balaguer allowed many turncoat leftist from the 1960s to become "professors at UASD after he "won" the election. The University became a hotbed of poorly educated young rebellious groups and equally poorly trained faculti

A guy looking up from the bottom of the Bell Curve.

Another Quality Piece of Prose to be print on a T-Shirt!

Josean,

read and learn. You have much to learn Hippojosa. LOL

josean, Atabey is just an unrepentant idiot, who thinks he knows something. he is the jackass who, just last week, wrote some trash about the likelihood of the DR picking up business, due to the revaluation of the chinese yen. yes, he did say that. Hall of Fame Ignorance. there is an old saying ¨a little knowledge is a dangerous thing¨: in Atabey´s case, no knowledge at all is lethal.

"Josean,

read and learn."


How come you haven't, loser?

Hippojosa y su yeyo Dready. Que combinacion de put**. A La Victoria con los dos para que vivan con el niNo Gomez, Jr. LOL

Having almost Drowned in the Deep Blue Waters of the Forum after I beat him in the DT poll, then getting a size 12 up his rear-end in the May 20th election, he now reverts to a Ms. Vickey style of commentary.

No surprise though we always knew you had in you AMONG OTHER THINGS OF COURSE!

josean, the guys in the forum are, in the main, a bunch of gentlemen. they all know that Atabey is not too tightly wrapped, and they feel pity for him. they all know that he is a low information jackass, but they do not say it out loud, since they know that he is in pain, and they do not want to hurt his feelings. so, they let him ghettoize the site, because they feel that it is good therapy for him, talking trash, and trying to sound educated. they all know that he is a fool, but are too polite to tell him so.

Sad Dready,

If you only knew what is said about you in particular in the PMs. But that's not the issue of this thread.

As for your mano-a-mano jerking session with Hippojosa, there's another sheriff in town who wants a piece of your beloved's attention: Goes by the name: El_Marido_de_Josean. So better hold on tight, you may lose the old girl. Muerte avisada no mata soldado. Just giving you a heads up, unlike Hippojosa who gives you a heads down w/chicken like motion. LOL

says Atabey

If you only knew what is said about you in particular in the PMs. But that's not the issue of this thread.

i really do not care what is said about me, by ANYONE. unlike you, i have no psychological maladjustments, and i have nothing to prove. none of your fellow travellers pay my bills, so i could care less what they think. there are some pretty uncharitable things said about you, too, not the least of which is that you are a lowlife, a reptilian liar, and a guy who knows nothing. so, get your buddies to do the rounds saying things about me. you are here to prove to someone, i know not whom, that you are educated. i do not have to. i already proved it to people who count. that is more than can be said of you.

Atabey, instead of spending time in firing off PMs to gossip about other posters, like a little adolescent Valley Girl on Facebook, your time would be better spent educating yourself. you want to show people how smart you are, so you need to prepare. you are not going to get very far in your odyssey, when you make statements to the effect that it is no longer vital to teach geograpthy in school, when we live in an era of smart phones, and GPS. we know that you do not know the difference between a hemisphere and a hemorrhoid, but some people actually want to know where Argentina is, in relation to Brazil.

Instead of projecting your neurosis and psychological issues, take care to protect your Hippojosa. Remember: "Guerra avisada no mata soldado." And there's a certain El_Marido_de_Josean who is out to steal your old squeeze. LOL

Dread,


He/she is also busy switching from Atabey to El_Marido_de_Josean!

i told you that the guy has psychiatric issues. he needs long hours on a couch

Dr. Dread,

He is way beyond “long hours on a couch” or electroconvulsive therapy, only full frontal lobotomy might work, and even then it’s a long shot!

all of which presumes that there is actually something inside his head.

That's why your the DOCTOR!