Santo Domingo.- Nearly 170 years after Dominican Republic severed its chains of Haitian domination, a priest from country believes that his countrymen "should get down on its knees and apologize to the Dominican people for subjecting it to 22 years of regression."
The priest Francis Haver said he values ??the advances Dominican Republic has experienced compared to his nation of origin, and his country’s occupation of the Dominican nation "should’ve never materialized."
"In history I learned that the Haitians occupied the Dominican Republic for 22 years, now all Haitians should kneel and apologize to the Dominicans, because for 22 years the country was held back and that prevented the country from advancing more," said the priest, who claims to be Dominican though acknowledges that he can’t vote in elections.
The parish priest of the sector La Caleta, Boca Chica spoke in the presence of president Leonel Fernandez, during the blessing of two housing projects inaugurated b the head of state in the municipality of Guerra.
He praised Fernandez’s work, noting that Dominican Republic has experienced a breakthrough, thanks to the efforts of the current Head of State, and predicted his return to office very soon. "I know that the president is going but hopefully he’ll be back, not just for 12 years, we will see if he can last longer when he returns so that we are a stronger country."
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
What a fool, why would present day Haitians have to apologize for something they had nothing to do with? This guy is nuts!
Written by: RoyStone, 19 Jul 2012 8:22 AM
From: Australia
According to his Bible, great-grandchildren can be blamed (and punished) for the sins of their great-grandparents (Exodus and Deuteronomy) - but 10 generations later is taking it too far?
Written by: BASTA, 19 Jul 2012 8:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
Bible= VooDoo sh\t- Which is the Haytian? Ah yes the fag in the grey suit.
Atabey,==3+++s
Written by: jhcl2012, 19 Jul 2012 8:52 AM
From: United States, PA - Mas pa'lante, ¡Manos a la obra!
Almost everyday we see news about Germany and/or Japan, and others apologizing for actions in the past...
No one complains then...
Y?
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
The Haitians are out!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 9:02 AM
From: United States, NYC
I think you guys are totally mistaken. This act would bring attention to the little known FACT of that historical moment in time when Haiti was not the dilapidated and small time nation-state that it has come to represent in modern times. The Haiti of 1800-1842 was relatively speaking a powerful force in the Caribbean. It gave arms to independence struggles in latin America and sent her soldiers to distant lands to fight, to the Confederate States that would become the USA, among others.
It also decided to extend her powers towards consolidation and imperial control over the Spanish speaking part of the island. This inconvenient historical fact does not jive with the hapless state and nation that we have come to know as Haiti in modern times. But to ignore such facts betrays a proper understanding of the dynamics that govern the relationship between the two nation states on the island of Hispaniola.
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
Now that's what I call a smart Haitianoooo!!!!!!!
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
@Basta by your unpatriotic comment it's supra evident that you're another piece of sh*t haitian with the intentions of wanting unification. LF is no haitian, he's 100% Dominican and even his African side is prob not related to Haitians as they came from another part of such continent.
These pathetic haitians make me laugh more every day...
Written by: zooma, 19 Jul 2012 9:23 AM
From: United States
Atabey, please explain "sent her soldiers to distant lands to fight, to the Confederate States " when at that time Lincoln had extended US diplomatic recognition (1862) to Haiti.
Haiti had a military presence in the US Revolution.
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 9:42 AM
From: United States, NYC
Articles of Confederation the original 13 states. Sorry for not being more precise.
SAVANNAH, GEORGIA: SAINT-DOMINGUEANS OR HAITIANS IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Haiti list discussion: July 2002
This discussion was sparked by the following newspaper announcement:
STATUES TO HONOR HAITIAN SOLDIERS
Men fought against British
BY CINDY WONG
Miami Herald
June 2002
North Miami officials recently met with their Savannah, Ga., counterparts to begin a groundbreaking effort to commemorate Haitians involvement in the Revolutionary War.
About 750 Haitian freemen fought alongside colonial troops against the British in the Siege of Savannah on Oct. 9, 1779. The role of Haitian soldiers in the battle had long been ignored, North Miami Mayor Josaphat Celestin said."
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 9:46 AM
From: United States, NYC
"The U.S. was able to station about 6,000 soldiers to protect Charleston but lost Savannah in the fall of 1778 to the Brits while doing so.
The U.S. needed help. It would need naval forces to take back Savannah and the French had just entered the war as an ally to the U.S. before the end of 1778.
French Admiral Comte d'Estaing was in the Caribbean where he recruited 500 men, today known as Haitians. They were called the Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint Domingue or the Volunteer Hunters of Saint Domingue who were free men descended from Africa.
These men fought alongside the French and U.S. forces delivering another defeat to British conquests in North America.
Many say that the experience of these 500 African soldiers in the "Siege of Savannah" help prepared them for positions as officers in the revolutionary armies of the Haitian Revolution.
Henri Christophe was said to have been among the 500.
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 9:47 AM
From: United States, NYC
Henri Christophe was said to have been among the 500. It is he who rose from commander to become President, then Emperor of an Independent Haiti in 1806 to 1820."
Haitians in the Fight for U.S. Independence
Wednesday, 04 July 2012 20:15
British fought for years after to try to regain control of the young nation.
SAVANNAH, USA - When the French allied with the United States in 1778 to help defeat the British in the Revolutionary War, French Commander Comte d'Estaing was accompanied by 500 free men of color from Saint Domingue, present-day Haiti, who fought for U.S. independence.
Although the U.S. had declared its independence in 1776, it would not be easily earned as the British fought for years after to try to regain control of the young nation."
Written by: Pierre, 19 Jul 2012 9:56 AM
From: United States
Francis Haver must be brought to Haiti and tried for TREASON. That man is furthering hates and divisions between Haitians and Dominicans. Remember, foreign powers came in and divided Hispanola in two camps pinning us against each other. There is no such thing as Dominicans and Haitians. We are hispanolians. Let us embrace ourselves and love ourselves.
Written by: Edwin514, 19 Jul 2012 10:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I disagree with this priest's proposal. The first two posters are right, why should today's Haitians be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors almost 200 years ago? I'm just being honest.
That's like hating every white american for things that occured in the US in the late 1700s. Today's whites had nothing to do with it, and it only serves to further perpetuate a certain social divide when things like these are brought up constantly.
Some people have accepted that the course of history cannot be changed and the past has already occurred. Some have acknowledged that and have moved on. Others need to do the same.
My two cents.
Written by: Pierre, 19 Jul 2012 10:13 AM
From: United States
Elanonimo: I think you are bias and nuts. If the majority of the people would share your ideas, you would not be alive and able to post your comments today. Imagine that! I bet you are not Dominican. You must be one of those foreigners who came into Dominican Republic to steal and discriminate against the true Dominicans. I know who you are.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
"Remember, foreign powers came in and divided Hispanola in two"
Pierre, your knowledge of our history, is like my knowledge of Quantum Physics, Santo Domingo Espanol was there way before they started bringing boats loaded with chained African slaves, our University(UASD) is way older than Haiti, which by then was called Santo Domingo Frances(saint domingue) Two different culture, two different langauge, different religion, different people.
Before it was called Hispanola, it was called Quisqueya by the natives, then and only then, it was one single country. Haiti was after 1804(French) Dominican Rep. 1821(independencia efimera)(Spanish)
Written by: ROMYP, 19 Jul 2012 10:32 AM
From: Netherlands, AMSTERDAM
DO we ask Spain and France for forgiveness? WHY SHOULD HAITIAN ? AAAiiiHHH GIVE ME A BREAK! IL EST UN BON A RIEN, IGNORANT...
From: United States, Brooklyn
Finally, A Haitian That Acknowledges The Truth: Let's start with Josean
Written by: Pierre, 19 Jul 2012 10:40 AM
From: United States
Dont_Be_Silent: I am assuming that we are on the same page. The two current divided sides was one. As I expatiated earlier 'foreign forces came in and divided the island into two'. On a personal note: I was born in the United States by a so-called Haitian father and a so-called Dominican mother. I am half white and half black. My Haitian father is white and my dominican mother is black. Think about that!
All I want is unity and love on the Hispanola/Quisqueya island. I love my Hispanola's brothers.
Written by: Pedrin, 19 Jul 2012 11:06 AM
From: United States
Pierre- If you continue sounding so sensible you're going to piss everybody off.
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
The right thing is to apologize for the wrong-doings no matter who in your family tree has done it.
Another thing is to ask from yourself to apologize for a thing that you have done to yourself.
The fact is Shit stink no matter in which side it is done. Respect can only be recognize if we admit that everybody and everyone deserves Respect (!)
Written by: vacanos, 19 Jul 2012 1:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
For the record our calamities did not start in 1822 BUT ON 1805 THE FIRST HAITIAN INVATION. After the first 1805 invation most of our best family fled for Puerto Rico, Venezuela and Cuba as stated by Balaguer in his book. These people knew better what was coming to them if they stay behind and be subjugated to these next door savages that just got their independence and already had delirious of grandiose.
In all honesty the one that should ask for forgiveness is the crown of Spain as they forced the people living in the weswtern part of the island to move to the eastern part leaving behind a fertil land full of livestock for the French to bring in half a million African slaves in less than 50 years.
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 2:13 PM
From: United States, NYC
100% Correcto Vacano,
"In all honesty the one that should ask for forgiveness is the crown of Spain as they forced the people living in the weswtern part of the island to move to the eastern part leaving behind a fertil land full of livestock for the French to bring in half a million African slaves in less than 50 years."
That historical injustice WAS SPAIN'S WORST DEED. Absent that injustice, Hispaniola's people would have been a largely self-sustaining entity that yes, could have fallen to US imperial outreach, but would nevertheless have been a whole nation today with a vastly more developed and modern nation-state. Population would be perhaps some 6-8 million souls.
Written by: williom, 19 Jul 2012 3:11 PM
From: United States
coulda, shoulda, woulda
-------------------------------
Haitian priest COULDA said that Haitians should beg forgiveness for dumping Human Poverty on the Dominicans.
The priest SHOULDA looked into himself and his flock for using Poverty to stay in Business by encouraging the poorest to make even more poor babies into his side of the island.
The priest WOULDA recognized that his organization is one of the TOP culprits for the actual poignant state of the ENTIRE Hispaniola.
Therefore, he owes the ISLAND an apology.
From: United States
Francis, here's my answer to your absurd demand.
"October 1937 the Parsley Massacre ordered by Dominican president Rafael Trujillo."
Written by: lovingit, 19 Jul 2012 3:49 PM
From: United States, Delaware
I totally disagree. I am Dominican and I do not think that the Haitians, as a "People" owe us an apology.
Now, governments are different things, and if the government of Haiti wants to apologize, (and perhaps they should, or maybe they have even done it already) then that is a different story.
Is liked someone mentioned earlier, the goverments of Germany, Japan and even the U.S. have have extended their apologies for wrong doings, but their people, their citizes, NO, they have nothing to do with that.
An American priest said Haiti founders made a pact with the Devil to be able to beat the French, and that is why they are cursed:
articles.cnn.com/2010-01-13/us/haiti.pat.robertson_1_pat-robertson-disasters-and-terrorist-attacks-devil
This is totally BS, but if there was some truth in this, then, who would be responsible for undoing the curse? I would say, the institution that has been around since then, the Haitian Government, not it's actual people.
Written by: josean, 19 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 6:59 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: josean, 19 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!"
The same amount paid to you for your Hippo adulation? LOL
Written by: RoyStone, 19 Jul 2012 9:16 PM
From: Australia
Much of the power of the church comes from making their flock feel guilty for what they didn't do. They claim we are all born "with original sin". That is what the Adam and Eve myth is about. If a baby dies without being baptized, it will not go to heaven, but will spend eternity in Limbo, because of Adam's sin of not remaining ignorant, and defying God's instruction not to "eat from the tree of knowledge". Guilt and ignorance - their stock in trade.
Written by: airgordo, 19 Jul 2012 10:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Pierre, 19 Jul 2012 9:56 AM
From: United States
Francis Haver must be brought to Haiti and tried for TREASON. That man is furthering hates and divisions between Haitians and Dominicans. Remember, foreign powers came in and divided Hispanola in two camps pinning us against each other. There is no such thing as Dominicans and Haitians. We are hispanolians. Let us embrace ourselves and love ourselves.
---
Nice, becasue Haiti was NOT the invader and did not spend 22 years MILKING this country to pay off their debts with France, Right??? INCREDIBLE!!!
From: Haiti, NJ
Good 1 priest
Written by: josean, 20 Jul 2012 7:17 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: Atabey, 19 Jul 2012 6:59 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Written by: josean, 19 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!"
The same amount paid to you for your Hippo adulation? LOL"
For a Highbrow Deep Blue Water Pseudo PURPLE Intellectual you are so PATHETICALLY SIMPLISTIC!
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Narco-Purple clown take your Med!
Written by: josean, 20 Jul 2012 11:32 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
By the way how is your electro-convulsive therapy coming along!
From: United States, New York City
A move in the right direction, one that can help mend many rifts between our two peoples. The Haitian state should apoligize for Dessalines' atrocities while they're at it.. after all he is considered the father of their nation. And I'm not certain that the Dominican government ever apoligized for the parsley massacre..if not then now is the time to throw such a proposal on the table. Much respect to Haver.
From: United States, New York City
Atabey, FRANCE sent its colonials to Savanahh..that was NOT a HAITIAN initiative.
From: United States, New York City
"In all honesty the one that should ask for forgiveness is the crown of Spain "
Very good point Vacanos. The crown abandoned our ancestors after we fought for more than a century to keep her enemies at bay on the island. Dirtbags.
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Jul 2012 5:43 PM
From: Australia
No one demanding an apology for Uncle Sam's occupations then?
Written by: josean, 20 Jul 2012 5:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Gran SLAM Roy!
From: United States, New York City
Good point Mr. Stone. Both interventions by the US were belligerent actions that warrant some type of redress. Which reminds me of an old saying..even a broken clock is right twice a day.
From: United States, NJ
RoyStone:
The first Gringo occupation was an economic one,As it will happen again if they default in the up coming foreign debt.
The second one was to keep it from being another Comunist Cuba by not having Soviet influence in the western hemisphere,as it almost happened to Granada even thought it was part of the Btits commonwealth.
Written by: josean, 20 Jul 2012 9:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Should the US appologize to Mexico for invading its country:
"The Mexican–American War, also known as the First American Intervention, the Mexican War, or the U.S.–Mexican War, was an armed conflict between the United States of America and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas, which Mexico considered part of its territory despite the 1836 Texas Revolution."
"The most important consequence of the war was the Mexican Cession, in which all the Mexican territories from California to southwestern Wyoming, west of Texas along the Rio Grande River and south of the 42nd parallel were ceded to the United States—almost 15 percent of the nation's total area."
From: United States, New York City
Spinach Haiti is dumping its povert on DR. And no DR is not rich which is exactly why it cannot afford to absorb another nations' poor enmasse.
Written by: ROMYP, 10 Aug 2012 1:13 PM
From: Netherlands, AMSTERDAM
@ATABEY, Don't forget SIMON BOLIVAR went to HAITI STAY there alt least three MONTH,and WENT BACK TO VENEZUELA ( GREAT COLOMBIA) with HAITIAN FIGHTER help them to win the war against DEVIL SPAIN.
From: United States, NJ
ROMYP;
Correct you are .In addition to that, the main thing were the vast amount of munition and French made weapons as one of the biggest arcenal in the Western Hemisphere left behind by the French with a small garrison upon being called back by Napoleon to fight in the Russian Front.
The same happened in Mexico when mostly all troops were recalled and the Gringos took advantage of the situation.Had the French held a strong contingent of troops the Gringos would
had never dared to take over Mexico
At that time the Haitians took advantage of the situation and send some to Bolivar and some to Mexico to fight the French. They were all fighting for a mutual cause except Bolivar was out for the weaopons & munitions that Haiti had as a catche and it was vital for their LA independence.
That is why Bolivar turned a blind eye to the entire situatin in DR in exchange for those badly needed weapons. The rest is history.
From: United States, NJ
ROMYP:
Napoleon was against all monarchies( England, Spain, Russia).The latter been the wose he went after. Had to fight the Brits in Egypt where his army not the Brits's found the Roseta Stone but the Brits took it away from Napolion as spoil of war upon losing to England the "sea battle of the nile".Nevertheless A French officer name Champolion" was the one to decipher the gerogrifics
Written by: airgordo, 11 Aug 2012 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: cibaeño75, 20 Jul 2012 12:22 PM
From: United States, New York City
A move in the right direction, one that can help mend many rifts between our two peoples. The Haitian state should apoligize for Dessalines' atrocities while they're at it.. after all he is considered the father of their nation. And I'm not certain that the Dominican government ever apoligized for the parsley massacre..if not then now is the time to throw such a proposal on the table. Much respect to Haver.
---
Trujillo did apologize and paid close to 1 Million USD as a "reparation" for his genocide, Balaguer was the one that negociated with the Haitian goverment...i will cerntaly accept an apology from the MASSACRE commited by Haitian Troops on 1805 on Moca and Santiago calles LOS DEGUELLOS, were thounsands were slaughtered just becase the color of their sking, JUST LIKE TRUJILLO DID...i hear NO ONE talking about that, seems the lives of those people don't count.
Written by: ROMYP, 14 Aug 2012 7:17 PM
From: Netherlands, AMSTERDAM
@Mr.Thelmoalmeydarancier, Thanx for you feedback...I hope one day, we all understand we are the same, whatever the difference .
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No one complains then...
Y?
I think you guys are totally mistaken. This act would bring attention to the little known FACT of that historical moment in time when Haiti was not the dilapidated and small time nation-state that it has come to represent in modern times. The Haiti of 1800-1842 was relatively speaking a powerful force in the Caribbean. It gave arms to independence struggles in latin America and sent her soldiers to distant lands to fight, to the Confederate States that would become the USA, among others.
It also decided to extend her powers towards consolidation and imperial control over the Spanish speaking part of the island. This inconvenient historical fact does not jive with the hapless state and nation that we have come to know as Haiti in modern times. But to ignore such facts betrays a proper understanding of the dynamics that govern the relationship between the two nation states on the island of Hispaniola.
These pathetic haitians make me laugh more every day...
Atabey, please explain "sent her soldiers to distant lands to fight, to the Confederate States " when at that time Lincoln had extended US diplomatic recognition (1862) to Haiti.
Haiti had a military presence in the US Revolution.
SAVANNAH, GEORGIA: SAINT-DOMINGUEANS OR HAITIANS IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Haiti list discussion: July 2002
This discussion was sparked by the following newspaper announcement:
STATUES TO HONOR HAITIAN SOLDIERS
Men fought against British
BY CINDY WONG
Miami Herald
June 2002
North Miami officials recently met with their Savannah, Ga., counterparts to begin a groundbreaking effort to commemorate Haitians involvement in the Revolutionary War.
About 750 Haitian freemen fought alongside colonial troops against the British in the Siege of Savannah on Oct. 9, 1779. The role of Haitian soldiers in the battle had long been ignored, North Miami Mayor Josaphat Celestin said."
The U.S. needed help. It would need naval forces to take back Savannah and the French had just entered the war as an ally to the U.S. before the end of 1778.
French Admiral Comte d'Estaing was in the Caribbean where he recruited 500 men, today known as Haitians. They were called the Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint Domingue or the Volunteer Hunters of Saint Domingue who were free men descended from Africa.
These men fought alongside the French and U.S. forces delivering another defeat to British conquests in North America.
Many say that the experience of these 500 African soldiers in the "Siege of Savannah" help prepared them for positions as officers in the revolutionary armies of the Haitian Revolution.
Henri Christophe was said to have been among the 500.
Henri Christophe was said to have been among the 500. It is he who rose from commander to become President, then Emperor of an Independent Haiti in 1806 to 1820."
Haitians in the Fight for U.S. Independence
Wednesday, 04 July 2012 20:15
British fought for years after to try to regain control of the young nation.
SAVANNAH, USA - When the French allied with the United States in 1778 to help defeat the British in the Revolutionary War, French Commander Comte d'Estaing was accompanied by 500 free men of color from Saint Domingue, present-day Haiti, who fought for U.S. independence.
Although the U.S. had declared its independence in 1776, it would not be easily earned as the British fought for years after to try to regain control of the young nation."
That's like hating every white american for things that occured in the US in the late 1700s. Today's whites had nothing to do with it, and it only serves to further perpetuate a certain social divide when things like these are brought up constantly.
Some people have accepted that the course of history cannot be changed and the past has already occurred. Some have acknowledged that and have moved on. Others need to do the same.
My two cents.
"Remember, foreign powers came in and divided Hispanola in two"
Pierre, your knowledge of our history, is like my knowledge of Quantum Physics, Santo Domingo Espanol was there way before they started bringing boats loaded with chained African slaves, our University(UASD) is way older than Haiti, which by then was called Santo Domingo Frances(saint domingue) Two different culture, two different langauge, different religion, different people.
Before it was called Hispanola, it was called Quisqueya by the natives, then and only then, it was one single country. Haiti was after 1804(French) Dominican Rep. 1821(independencia efimera)(Spanish)
Finally, A Haitian That Acknowledges The Truth: Let's start with Josean
All I want is unity and love on the Hispanola/Quisqueya island. I love my Hispanola's brothers.
Another thing is to ask from yourself to apologize for a thing that you have done to yourself.
The fact is Shit stink no matter in which side it is done. Respect can only be recognize if we admit that everybody and everyone deserves Respect (!)
In all honesty the one that should ask for forgiveness is the crown of Spain as they forced the people living in the weswtern part of the island to move to the eastern part leaving behind a fertil land full of livestock for the French to bring in half a million African slaves in less than 50 years.
100% Correcto Vacano,
"In all honesty the one that should ask for forgiveness is the crown of Spain as they forced the people living in the weswtern part of the island to move to the eastern part leaving behind a fertil land full of livestock for the French to bring in half a million African slaves in less than 50 years."
That historical injustice WAS SPAIN'S WORST DEED. Absent that injustice, Hispaniola's people would have been a largely self-sustaining entity that yes, could have fallen to US imperial outreach, but would nevertheless have been a whole nation today with a vastly more developed and modern nation-state. Population would be perhaps some 6-8 million souls.
coulda, shoulda, woulda
-------------------------------
Haitian priest COULDA said that Haitians should beg forgiveness for dumping Human Poverty on the Dominicans.
The priest SHOULDA looked into himself and his flock for using Poverty to stay in Business by encouraging the poorest to make even more poor babies into his side of the island.
The priest WOULDA recognized that his organization is one of the TOP culprits for the actual poignant state of the ENTIRE Hispaniola.
Therefore, he owes the ISLAND an apology.
"October 1937 the Parsley Massacre ordered by Dominican president Rafael Trujillo."
Now, governments are different things, and if the government of Haiti wants to apologize, (and perhaps they should, or maybe they have even done it already) then that is a different story.
Is liked someone mentioned earlier, the goverments of Germany, Japan and even the U.S. have have extended their apologies for wrong doings, but their people, their citizes, NO, they have nothing to do with that.
An American priest said Haiti founders made a pact with the Devil to be able to beat the French, and that is why they are cursed:
articles.cnn.com/2010-01-13/us/haiti.pat.robertson_1_pat-robertson-disasters-and-terrorist-attacks-devil
This is totally BS, but if there was some truth in this, then, who would be responsible for undoing the curse? I would say, the institution that has been around since then, the Haitian Government, not it's actual people.
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!"
The same amount paid to you for your Hippo adulation? LOL
From: United States
Francis Haver must be brought to Haiti and tried for TREASON. That man is furthering hates and divisions between Haitians and Dominicans. Remember, foreign powers came in and divided Hispanola in two camps pinning us against each other. There is no such thing as Dominicans and Haitians. We are hispanolians. Let us embrace ourselves and love ourselves.
---
Nice, becasue Haiti was NOT the invader and did not spend 22 years MILKING this country to pay off their debts with France, Right??? INCREDIBLE!!!
From: United States, NYC
"Written by: josean, 19 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
How much might have been paid to this man of the cloth for his adulation of the PURPLE MESSIAH!"
The same amount paid to you for your Hippo adulation? LOL"
For a Highbrow Deep Blue Water Pseudo PURPLE Intellectual you are so PATHETICALLY SIMPLISTIC!
By the way how is your electro-convulsive therapy coming along!
Very good point Vacanos. The crown abandoned our ancestors after we fought for more than a century to keep her enemies at bay on the island. Dirtbags.
Gran SLAM Roy!
The first Gringo occupation was an economic one,As it will happen again if they default in the up coming foreign debt.
The second one was to keep it from being another Comunist Cuba by not having Soviet influence in the western hemisphere,as it almost happened to Granada even thought it was part of the Btits commonwealth.
Should the US appologize to Mexico for invading its country:
"The Mexican–American War, also known as the First American Intervention, the Mexican War, or the U.S.–Mexican War, was an armed conflict between the United States of America and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas, which Mexico considered part of its territory despite the 1836 Texas Revolution."
"The most important consequence of the war was the Mexican Cession, in which all the Mexican territories from California to southwestern Wyoming, west of Texas along the Rio Grande River and south of the 42nd parallel were ceded to the United States—almost 15 percent of the nation's total area."
Correct you are .In addition to that, the main thing were the vast amount of munition and French made weapons as one of the biggest arcenal in the Western Hemisphere left behind by the French with a small garrison upon being called back by Napoleon to fight in the Russian Front.
The same happened in Mexico when mostly all troops were recalled and the Gringos took advantage of the situation.Had the French held a strong contingent of troops the Gringos would
had never dared to take over Mexico
At that time the Haitians took advantage of the situation and send some to Bolivar and some to Mexico to fight the French. They were all fighting for a mutual cause except Bolivar was out for the weaopons & munitions that Haiti had as a catche and it was vital for their LA independence.
That is why Bolivar turned a blind eye to the entire situatin in DR in exchange for those badly needed weapons. The rest is history.
Napoleon was against all monarchies( England, Spain, Russia).The latter been the wose he went after. Had to fight the Brits in Egypt where his army not the Brits's found the Roseta Stone but the Brits took it away from Napolion as spoil of war upon losing to England the "sea battle of the nile".Nevertheless A French officer name Champolion" was the one to decipher the gerogrifics
From: United States, New York City
A move in the right direction, one that can help mend many rifts between our two peoples. The Haitian state should apoligize for Dessalines' atrocities while they're at it.. after all he is considered the father of their nation. And I'm not certain that the Dominican government ever apoligized for the parsley massacre..if not then now is the time to throw such a proposal on the table. Much respect to Haver.
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Trujillo did apologize and paid close to 1 Million USD as a "reparation" for his genocide, Balaguer was the one that negociated with the Haitian goverment...i will cerntaly accept an apology from the MASSACRE commited by Haitian Troops on 1805 on Moca and Santiago calles LOS DEGUELLOS, were thounsands were slaughtered just becase the color of their sking, JUST LIKE TRUJILLO DID...i hear NO ONE talking about that, seems the lives of those people don't count.