LOOK OUT for them people.

Most prefer to pray on Friday. (Not five times a day)

Now that's Dominican!

@ Don't be Silent

Islam can be a peaceful religion when practice in Democracies. Arabs, like black people and mid westerners Yanks, tend to mix the two together and that's when you get a shit society ruled by idiocracy.

Also remember that the DR was once ruled by the Ayatollahs of Christendom: SPAIN

If people choose to believe in ghosts, it does not much matter to me what they call them, god or allah or whatever!

Bad news...

I’m always amazed when Muslims refer to Christians as hateful bigots when it is their own religion that refers to all non-Muslims as infidels that need to convert to Islam or be killed. Christianity encourages the evangelism and prayer for non-Christians, but does not advocate that they be killed for not converting to Christianity. Talk about a hypocritical double standard!

Only 250 dominican muslims and 1450 foreign muslims... This is news?.... Then again , anything in this country makes headlines. I guess the fact that for every 40,000 dominicans there is 1 muslim in the crowd, would make head way...

As long as the numbers remain small Muslims are not a problem.

I dunno, much of the vitriol being spewed right now are from the regular folks. and I can bet CarlosFranco thinks of himself as an intelligent person. SMDH.

Carlos Franco only hates Haitian Muslims!

VA723 writes:
(Christianity encourages the evangelism and prayer for non-Christians, but does not advocate that they be killed for not converting to Christianity. Talk about a hypocritical double standard!)

VA723 either speaks without knowledge or seriously underestimates the intelligence of others.

"That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:13)

"Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 1

If the dominican government keeps giving the people the short end of the stick, you will see a rise in dominican muslims. The radical muslims love the oppressed and the uneducated so that they can teach the 109 verses from the quran that call muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some of those verses are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.

Yucahu writes:
(As long as the numbers remain small Muslims are not a problem.)

You should not fear any Muslims in the DR. It was Christians who ravaged the isles of the Caribbean and raped and massacred its people. The Taino of DR were virtually wiped out such that slaves from Africans had to be shipped in to do the harsh work. Thus ushering in the Trans Atlantic slave trade.

The Muslims are not turning out your beautiful Dominican women and girls and making them prostitutes. It is their Christian fathers, uncles, brothers and fellow Christian tourists who are motivated moreso by the lure of cheap sex than beautiful beaches.

BTW, some of the passages in the Jewish Talmud (especially the Soncino edition) are so graphic and virulent in their description of hatred of Jesus Christ and dehumanization of all Gentiles (non-Jews), it is no wonder why the book warns against disclosing its contents to non-Jews when it says that if the Gentiles knew what we teach of their religion they would "kill us openly".
Do you ever wonder why is it that you can go into any major bookstore and purchase a Bible or Quran but can't purchase a Talmud?

For $12 at Amazon.com you can get one of those.

Any organized western religion, for the most part, preaches death or eternal damnation to any non-believers, be it Islam, Judaism or Christianity. Don't cut Islam any slack. The Koran says infidels must accept Islam (the teachings of the Koran and thus become second class citizens among the chosen) or be put to death. That is not a religion of peace. What the hell do you think Jihad is? Those people are as crazy as the Spaniards and the other Christians who rode in the crusades to fight the muslims from taking over more territory in the name of Allah. One group fighting in the name of Allah and one in the name of Christ. Complete insanity. ALL organized religion preaches hate masquerading as peace. Period.

Turkey which is the most free society in the Muslim world persecute Christians for fun. Now imagine the countries in Africa that had turned Muslims recently what they do to the non Muslims. Machete with all of the infidels.

More people have been killed in the name of "God" in the short history of this planet than for any other reason. The whole concept of god is evil as it assumes that one superior being is the one solitary reason for the existence of this planet and everything on it. That notion is a complete joke when you consider that we are just one planet in one universe out of an infinity of universes. The concept of 'God" is for the poor and simple minded to entertain themselves with the idea that some ghost or spirit is the reason for our being and will guide and help them in their time and need-but only if they do not sin or break the rules spelled out in "religious texts" which were merely written by other men. Poppy cock! Anyone who kills in the name of some "God" is an ignorant backwards ass fool. Just a bunch of sheep being led by other ignorant men.

@Roberto Jose...you are correct in what you say about the Koran and infidels.

Mr. Waball, I didn't think ANYONE would use those two words together again...lol, good one.

Com'on, who the hell Spammed-out haiti's carlos? I didn't figure him out yet, dammit!!

Benwaballs writes:
("Those people are as crazy as the Spaniards and the other Christians who rode in the crusades to fight the muslims from taking over more territory in the name of Allah.")

Nice move....you shifted the focus onto the Middle East instead of DR because you know the truth of my assertion that it was the Christians who ravaged this part of the world and massacred its indigenous people. These "natives" were peaceful and initially welcomed their guests who were so "lost" that they thought that they were in India or China.

Because these European Christians had very bad hygiene practices (i.e. taking a bath only once or twice/year) and had sex with lambs and chickens those natives that didn't die by their swords and guns, died by diseases. I can give you titles of books written by repentant Catholic priests and laypersons who witnessed these horrific atrocities that were carried out (on Hispanolia and throughout the region) in the name of Christianity.

How do they spell Mohammed?

Mojame??

@DON'T_BE_SILENT, RobertoJose and anyone else,
I am not Haitian. I don't have any Haitian relatives, nor have I ever been to Haiti. However, if I were of Haitian ancestry I would be proud to proclaim it openly just as you are proud to proclaim yourself as Dominican. Actually I am a Black American, born and raised in the USA. My complexion is "mulatto" because my ancestors were raped by European slave masters. Therefore in this way, I am similar to Dominicans that I see in DR. But the difference with me is that I am not ashamed of the African and Indian part of my lineage. I don't look disparagingly at people of darker complexion because they have less features/remnants of the European slave master/colonizer than I do. I'm married to a Dominican woman with two Dominican children and I get along fine with their father. We're expecting our first child now. It took awhile, but once I got her to actually read some books, she has a better appreciation and respect for her mixed heritage.

RobertoJose writes:
("For $12 at Amazon.com you can get one of those i.e. Jewish Talmud)

Well, not exactly. I did not find a complete Talmud anywhere on Amazon.

I was however, surprised to find the scholarly book "Jesus in the Talmud". But wasn't surprised to find in the readers reviews, the author gives the impression that he has covered what the Talmud teaches about Jesus but in fact has omitted many passages/tracts. Here's what Amazon description says about the book.
"Scattered throughout the Talmud, the founding document of rabbinic Judaism in late antiquity, can be found quite a few references to Jesus--and they're not flattering.
The Talmudic stories make fun of Jesus' birth from a virgin, fervently contest his claim to be the Messiah and Son of God, and maintain that he was rightfully executed as a blasphemer and idolater. They subvert the Christian idea of Jesus' resurrection and insist he got the punishment he deserved in hell--and that a similar fate awaits his foll

-cont..
"Scattered throughout the Talmud, the founding document of rabbinic Judaism in late antiquity, can be found quite a few references to Jesus--and they're not flattering.
The Talmudic stories make fun of Jesus' birth from a virgin, fervently contest his claim to be the Messiah and Son of God, and maintain that he was rightfully executed as a blasphemer and idolater. They subvert the Christian idea of Jesus' resurrection and insist he got the punishment he deserved in hell--and that a similar fate awaits his followers."

Ain't that some shet, I really thought I saw a haitiancarlos.....lol.

I figured it wouldn't be the entire talmud, I was an armed guard at a synagogue in cedarhurst in my younger years and they kept that on the low. I had a chance to peek inside and there was a structure within a structure, the women stay in the outer and the men in the inner and close the doors behind them leaving the women separate from the main room. I work with different ethnic groups and I learned how to say "good morning" in russian, arabic, french, philippian and polish then I decided to learn yiddish/hebrew from my russian jew friend and he was frowned-upon because its not my language, but I know what they meant. There is not one racist bone in my body, I actually find the racist comments funny as hell because some are original. Anyways, yeah they are very secretive about their religion but, it doesn't mean one is not allowed to read it. I wonder if there is a law in-place that says you can't...

ancestors were raped by European slave masters
HOW THE HELL DO U KNOW THEY WHERE RAPED?

i was in cape town on vaction few weeks ago, when i toured other areas what i saw i know the slaves where better off then they are today.
grass and mud huts, hiv, and no food.

90% of them are dying of aids.

Danny00, go back to your crystal meth binge so the rest of the bloggers can have some kind of coherent discussion!

Danny00, maybe you should read a bit more. Perhaps some history of African civilizations, i.e. Songhay, Mali, Ghana, Yoruba. I don't even want to mention Egypt because I'm sure that you believe that Egyptians looked liked Charlton Heston and Elizabeth Taylor.

I am an avid reader of history. I also like to do research and learn about other people's culture. I know that saying my ancestors were raped by their slave masters gets under your skin, but if I am ok with it why should it bother you so much? If I embrace my European lineage despite the conditions under which it was manifested it is because God allowed it. Therefore who am I to reject it? My understanding is that It goes along with the territory. Female captives were routinely raped by their captors. The same pattern is repeated throughout history with different players and different stages irrespective of race, ethnicity, or creed.

-cont.
Most of my fellow Black Americans won't admit it, but modern-day slavery actually got its start in Europe. Yes, whites enslaved other whites more than a century before the African slave trade. It was called serfdom, but it was indeed slavery. European "Lords" regularly raped the women. In fact the "First Knight" had to allow his master to have the first night with his new bride. You think these "dregs" of European society that ultimately became the slavemasters and overseers in the American slave trade suddenly had compassion for these black women that they didn't repeat the pattern of behavior they had in the homeland? You can believe that poppy-cock if you want, but historical accounts in diaries and ledgers tell a much different story.

@ benwaballs, you hit the nail in the head. * * * * * s

@ Brien 100 % correct. Danny00 is a Haitian Crack head, a total burn out.

@papycarlos as a Catholic I'm offended ..Christian fathers turn. their daughters into prostitution
...may I remind you there are cities or villages throughout the Arab world where a father offer their daughter for merely a couple of goats or to the highest or good to do man isn't that pimping or prostitution ..

RobertoJose, PapiCarlos, and Benwaballs.

You're all a bunch of know-it-alls!!
It's a real pleasure to know that there's intelligent life out there, still!
Please keep posting. I might learn something new, yet.. In spite of my claim to infinite wisdom!

@ andujar67, first of all let me offer my apologies. I did not intend for my statements to be taken so seriously to the point that I was making a sweeping condemnation of your religion. Nor did I intend to caste any dispersion on you personally. I am only saying that for those who are spreading fear-mongering "beware of Muslims in DR" by and large those who are participating in this prostitution are people who call themselves Christian. I thought that since we are all adults here, it was understood that I was not implying that all or even a majority of these fathers and uncles and brothers are participating in this vile activity.

My point was that a person's religion is not what we need to be overly concerned about. For we can find bad people in ALL so-called religions. I was born and raised in the Baptist church. I've seen more hypocrisy than I care to recall. That's why it disturbs me when I see Christians levying such attacks on the Islamic faith because of the acts of a few.

" there are cities or villages throughout the Arab world where a father offer their daughter for merely a couple of goats or to the highest or good to do man isn't that pimping or prostitution "

@andujar, I am aware of this practice as well. But did you know that it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam? There are Christian Arabs and pagan bedouin Arabs who have the same CULTURAL practice. You will also find this among the Hindus and Buddhists and many Africans communities. If it was a "religious" practice than why is it not practiced among the Malaysians or even the largest population of Muslims, namely the Indonesians? Prior to the advent of Islam the Arabs had this custom. Many ignore the rights to select and approve her own husband that were bestowed upon the woman under Islam. They resort back to pagan customs...as do others....i.e. Christians resorting to decorating so-called Christmas trees and celebrating Easter both of which have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ

"Religion is the opiate of the masses..... Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again".

_karl Marx-

@RonEvane, I like much of what Marx says but in regards to religion I like this one better...

"Religion is the deification of a people's culture. Spirituality is universal." - Dr. John Henrik Clarke

I like this one, too.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
- Steven Weinberg-

Mr. RoyStone really took a break. A well deserved one!

Roystone is working as an alter boy in Santo Domingo!

1st Muslim religion was not unknown to dominican ancestors : Berbers slaves from North Africa, Senegambian slaves ( 1st revolt in Santo Domingo led by Woloffs who were muslims). Senegambians were a huge part of the slave population in SD (Woloffs, Fulanis, Mandigos) and most of them were muslims. Nicolas de Ovando himself had a Fulani cook, and Fulanis are muslims

2nd Islam was practised in Spain for more than 700 yrs ( last bastion being Grenada), meaning than natives spanish (nobility or poors ) took islam as their religion ( see Philip K Hitti, or Reinhart Dozy). Muslims were welcomed in the spanish nobility ( the best example being Ferdinand's father had been cured by a muslim surgeon for his cataract).

3rd Islam was practised by a huge population in spain : Mudejares and Moriscos

4th Many of the native spanish muslims who took islam as their religions stayed in spain and kept their religion secret, many went to North and Subsahara Africa (Timbuctoo).

Ctn

5th Spain was the most "africanized"country in Europe with Portugal and Italy. Specially Andalusia ( Franco Silva , Dominguez Ortiz , Fernando Ortiz, Ricardo Alegria etc). African music/dances like the Zarabanda , the Guineo, and Zarambeque or Zumbé ( see Ruth Pike : Aristocrats and Traders : Sevillian Society in the 16h century) were highly appreciated in Sevilla

6th Spanish langguage is highly influenced by arabic , and spanish latin scripture was highly influenced by arabic calligraphy in conquistadores times

7th Spain had to erase anything related to Islam and Judaism ( Limpieza de Sangre) in order to be accepted as a European nation , this fact explains their "Champion of Christianity" wanna be status during that period. But it was not the reality just check Valérie Molero books about Brujeria and Spain ( Inquisition period , around 20 % of the court cases were related to Brujeria and most of them were Europeans i.e Spanish, French etc)

So, what's YOUR point, hashish ?

Christianity - bad
Islam - worse

Some quotes from the Koran, the book of this religion of peace -

Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

youtube.com/watch?v=68Yh6YAjeYg

Is Pepecarlos a Dread hand puppet .?

dreamkiller writes: "Is Pepecarlos a Dread hand puppet .?"

Nope. Nada. Wrong again! I'm just a semi-retired math & science teacher from the US who found a great Dominican woman from a great family, married her, adopted her two children, and then recognized a great need and desire to develop my own after school learning center and eventual boarding school for under-served youth in the DR. I read three DR papers/websites every day.....so on occasion I may see an interesting article that is worth commenting on.

I won't ask who you are because in the grand scheme of things, unless you're sponsoring one of my students or want to donate some funds or resources I really don't give a sh*t who you are.

"Wrong again! I'm just a semi-retired math & science teacher from the US who found a great Dominican woman from a great family"

Congratulations, PC. I aim to try and find happiness there as well, soon.

Math and science teacher, eh? I've always been fascinated by the sciences. Math confounds me.

I'm not the only one, surely, who's glad to have you as part of this forum.. Welcome!!

Let me ask your opinion on something that's been on my mind for years: Does the planet Mars possess enought gravitational pull to be terraformed? I know, it's kind of a weird question which typifies and mirrors my personality and outlook on life. ..Not totally nutty, am I...just a tad.
So, what do you think?

"Does the planet Mars possess enought gravitational pull to be terraformed?"

@RonEvane, actually its a great question. In the early 70's, Carl Sagan's research and findings on this concept of planetary engineering or terraforming was so compelling that NASA launched its own study and put out a report 3 years later basically verifying what Sagan found....Mars is an ideal candidate for terraforming. Neither reports, Sagan's nor NASA's, questioned whether gravitational forces were sufficient enough. I think that maybe it was a forgone conclusion that it was. The key was the seeding of the atmospheres with algae and the survival of the algae long enough to produce complex organic compounds. The process takes a long time before Mars could be "habitable" for humans. I personally think that we should be focusing on improving anti-gravity propulsion to reach the two Earth-like planets that were recently discovered. We're a lot closer to that technology than we are to terraforming Mars

Anti-gravity propulsion? Are you serious? Is there such a thing? Does it not violate the laws of physics?
Earth-like planets, recently discovered? When, how, where?
Are you messing' with my mind, PC?...C'mon!

@ PapiC, I second RonEvane's question: what Earthlike planets, when , where?
As far as the spread of Islam in DR, .... better that than voodoo.

@Ron, @venganzaderfael , I posted this link several days ago but apparently it was kicked out because of the html code. Hopefully it will go through this time. I've been monitoring this Kepler website very closely. Fascinating stuff!

nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepscicon-briefing.html

NASA's Kepler Mission Confirms Its First Planet in Habitable Zone of Sun-like Star

"NASA's Kepler mission has confirmed its first planet in the "habitable zone," the region where liquid water could exist on a planet’s surface. Kepler also has discovered more than 1,000 new planet candidates, nearly doubling its previously known count. Ten of these candidates are near-Earth-size and orbit in the habitable zone of their host star. Candidates require follow-up observations to verify they are actual planets. "

as far as anti-gravity technology....when Allied forces eventually put down the Nazis, they discovered a secret base where they found evidence (diagrams,schematics, notes, experimental data) that the Germans had advanced knowledge in rocket propulsion and were even flirting with anti-gravity propulsion.

The detailed drawings give much credence to the notion that the Germans had successfully "reverse engineered" a craft of "extra-terrestrial" origin that had crashed sometime earlier. Statements made by German scientists who basically pioneered our NASA program actually fuels this speculation. In one interview,in response to the question that basically asked "how where you able to develop technology that was decades if not generations ahead of the rest of the scientific world?" the ex-Nazi scientist responded "We had help from them" and pointed to the collection of "reverse-engineered" documents. Certainly the "them" were not the documents. "Them" is those who piloted the "ET" craft.

-cont.

We also have plenty of credible instrumental data (i.e. radar and other tracking means) and eyewitness accounts from retired NASA officials to seasoned military and civilian pilots that prove craft under intelligent control do exist and that this craft is using some sort of anti-gravity propulsion. The near silent sound characteristics, incredible acceleration, velocity and change of direction, and the maneuverability and dexterity can only be achieved through anti-gravity propulsion.

In keeping with the theme of this report, let me say this:....Allah Akbar!

OK now, let's assume repulsive propulsion is possible. Why have we not heard the scientific world even mention such a thing? Or have they? Any books, magazine reports, etc. that you can direct me to?

Islam in DR? Perhaps it'll grow as we become wealthier and more stable. We may have a large influx from the likes of Lebanon and Syria, especially now with the civil war raging there.
Islam scares me, though!

"Islam in DR? Perhaps it'll grow as we become wealthier and more stable. We may have a large influx from the likes of Lebanon and Syria, especially now with the civil war raging there.
Islam scares me, though!"

These are hardly the ideal ambassadors of the religion of Islam. In fact, Arabs in general are poor representatives of the faith. So much of their Arab culture is erroneously portrayed as part of the religion. They tend to only hire their own kind and look down their noses at non-Arabs. Of course like all ethnic groups there are exceptions. Unfortunately the loudest and most visible minority tends to grab the most attention and lead to sweeping judgments of the entire group.

I am a newcomer to DR myself. I am in no position to oppose other new arrivals. But from my perspective DR needs industrialists and high tech employers/entrepreneurs, not more shopkeepers and hotel owners. This is the kind of people I'd like to see flocking to DR, irrespective of their religion.

Yes and the desert people have been known to cut your head off for dancing the merengue

Oh I get it, PapiCarlos,
Suicide bombers do it because they are Arabs, not because Islam, the Imams and the Koran demand it.

,

Radicals and extremists of any religion or beliefs, are an obvious danger to society in general.
This is why I'm nervous about having a large group of fanatics in our midst. They can eventually convert a large enought number to change our way of life (no drinking, no messing around with the opposite sex!) ...and threaten our freedom of religious preference and/or persecution of those like me, a sworn atheist.

Not exactly Roy, close but not exactly. Suicide bombers commit these acts because of a combination of things,
1. lack of conventional means of fighting for their cause. (their "enemies" tend to have superior firepower and infantry numbers)
2. despair and desperation due to lack of recourse through political discourse, elections, or other peaceful means.
3. presence of a small but vocal minority of renegade "imams" that are heavily financed (some even by CIA and Mossad). In this arena of poverty and socio-economic injustice, these vultures use their warped interpretations of Quran to manipulate individuals and convince them to do something that their religion strictly forbids. The great majority of Islamic scholars and institutions of learning are in agreement that killing oneself intentionally EVEN AS A TACTIC OF WARFARE is forbidden.
4. Foreign occupation and aggression. Studies by secular western writers show a direct correlation between occupation and suicide bombing.

Suicide bombing has less to do with religion or even ethnicity and more to do with tactics of warfare. The Japanese kamikaze was a suicide bomber. Some of the first suicide bombers in what is known today as the Middle East were Jewish terrorists of the Irgun-Stern gang. Their leader would eventually rise to become prime minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon. There have been suicide bombers in Latin America especially during the wars between the drug cartels.

Roy, show me where the Quran demands suicide bombing. Don't show me where it speaks of killing enemies or disbelievers. I want a quote where it is encouraging suicide as a tactic of warfare. The books of all three major religions, Quran, Bible, and Talmud all contain many verses where the believers are commanded to kill the disbelievers or infidels. Taken out of context all three religions get the bloody nose for being not religions of peace but religions of violence and intolerance. However the Bible and Talmud gets the advantage because they contain verses that encourage even the killing of disbelieving women and children. The Talmud is the only one of the three that actually curses Jesus as a heathen and bastard child born of a wh-re and a Roman soldier. Although falling short of claiming that he is God, the Quran holds Jesus (Isa) and Mary (Maryam) in high regard. In fact Muslims all over the world await the return of Jesus because only he will be able to slay the anti-Christ.

PapiCarlos,

The Koran is full of passages urging the faithful to kill infidels, and if they die in the process, a glorious reward awaits them in paradise. Do I need to quote some? Certainty the Koran does not mention plastic explosives or electronic detonators, (or ICBMs pointing at Israel for that matter) since the Koran predates these inventions.

Sure the Holy Bible is not much better, but Christianity has had its heyday, the Dark Ages, whereas Islam is just building up to what will probably be a darker, deeper and world-wide Dark Age. 7 billion people and growing exponentially, religious fundamentalism on the increase, the depletion of natural resources and bio-diversity and an unsustainable world economic model overdue for collapse, what more do you need? Think Crusades with nukes, think inquisition with electronic surveillance and the internet, think total collapse of the monetary system. Yeah?

Species come and go. Homo sapiens have been around for about 150,000 years. Maybe our time's up?

Roy....you didn't answer my challenge. I know that a book that was revealed and compiled 1400 years ago would not have anything about explosives or detonators. That's why I lowered the bar and asked you to show me where the Quran encourages the killing of oneself (suicide) as a tactic of warfare.

Lol...Roy....you're being too modest when you say that Christianity has "had its heyday". The Crusades are alive and well. The Knights Templars are Masons now...didn't you get the memo? Its not called Crusades now, it's called Globalization. The Masonic Lodges are houses of Parliament and Congress. The Crusades are on-going, they never stopped. They only changed uniforms and tactics. Today it's economic hitmen, rogue puppet states and dictators, manufactured "bogey-men" (i.e. al-Qaeda, Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein) and UN-NATO mercenary forces.

Roy....don't believe the hype (google the Public Enemy song by the same title...you'll love the lyrics). All of these policies that stripped us of our civil liberties were ushered in by manufactured terrorist organizations who could be called upon to mount attacks as a premise for further eroding our rights and distracting us from those who fleeced us to near bankruptcy. While we were sleeping and afraid of the big bad bogeymen, they shipped our jobs overseas, stole our accumulated wealth and pension funds, and convinced us that it was "unpatriotic' and un-American to adopt similar protectionist regulations that other foreign governments were enacting to protect their industries. Of course eventually even those leaders who fought to preserve the integrity and sanctity of their nations would, under duress, be forced to ultimately sign onto the unfair trade pacts and predatory World Bank loan packages or meet an untimely death.

So 9-11 was actually done by the CIA to give an excuse to invade Afghanistan? The Haitian earthquake was caused by the USA using HAARP, and the moon landing was actually filmed in the Texan desert?
Please!

Roy it was the Arizona dessert where the filming actually took place

We met a Dominican muslim in Santiago 2 yrs ago, he was a mixed Arab (Dad)/ Dominican (mum) and very knowlegeable in islam matters to my great surprise.

PapiC

You are waisting your time with Roy, like I waisted my time too since he is posting the same crap about islam. NO Religion and I repeat again NO religion has caused more Havoc than Christianity down earth. The so called representative of christianity acted like devils in Europe first, then they spread their gangsta behaviour in the 4 parts of the world ( N,S,W,E). Hatuey the Taino cacique said that he'd rather burn in hell for eternity ; than meet one christian Spanish in Paradise.

Is Voudoo the right path brother Neheay

dreamkiller,
It was actually filmed in the desert in Texas, then they moved the whole desert to Arizona, in the middle of the night, in a fiendish plot to fool astute observers like PapiCarlos.

Nehesy,

Please explain how past Christian atrocities justifies current Islamic terrorism.

Roy,

Nothing can explain or justify Terrorism ( whatever the label is : Christian, Jew, Muslim, Sikh, Hindus, or Atheists)

Dreamkiller says :

"Is Voudoo the right path brother Neheay"

You should ask to a Haitian who practise Vooduism

1. I'm not Haitian
2. I'm not versed in Voodoo rituals and Philosophy

@Roy
C'mon son! You're allowing your extreme hatred of Islam (not a small minority among the billion of Muslims who use their warped interpretations to justify acts of terrorism) to cloud your judgement and since of reason. Because of your inability to respond intelligently to my points, yet ask idiotic questions like "Please explain how past Christian atrocities justifies current Islamic terrorism", I will end this one-way discourse with you since you are apparently not even capable of logical dialogue on the issues. You don't rebut my points with logic and facts. Instead you resort to ad hominem and flippant remarks that only show your lack of knowledge on the topic. It's ok to admit ignorance on a subject. None of us are well read or informed on every subject. You do have a sense of humor, I will give you credit for that. But humor doesn't mask ignorance when one side is trying to have an intelligent dialogue. As far as I'm concerned this discussion is over...Ignorance wins again

PapiCarlos,
Islamic terrorism is not a result of "warped interpretations" - it is direct, literal and specific in the Koran, and the direct instructions of Islamic leaders. Read the Koran and listen to their speeches. The fact that most Muslims are not suicide bombers, does not negate the fact that Islam is a violent, oppressive religion. If you can't find the passages, then I will post some, as I have already done.

"Those who are trying to bring corruption and destruction to our country in the name of democracy will be oppressed. They are worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and they must be hanged. We will oppress them by God's order and God's call to prayer." -Ayatollah Khomeini (in a talk at the Fayzieah School, Qom, August 30, 1979)

"Those who are against us are like cancer tumors that need to be removed surgically; otherwise they will corrupt everything."
"These writings, these speeches, these wrong activities, these democratic programs are separations from Islam. All these voices are blasphemy and are atheistic." -Ayatollah Khomeini (in a talk to the Representatives from Tabriz, Qom, September 19, 1979)

Does anyone remembers the Ayatollah?