Santo Domingo.– Today January 26, marks the birthday of Juan Pablo Duarte, founding father of the Dominican nation. He was born in 1813, in Santo Domingo.
During his early years he studied in Spain (1828-1833). Upon his
return to the Dominican Republic, he found that young Dominicans were
resentful of Haitian rule. In response to this unrest, he and several
other patriots organized a secret society, La Trinitaria, to work toward
independence and to stimulate liberalism.
His first attempt to oust the Haitians in 1843 collapsed, and he fled
the country; but his followers succeeded in overthrowing the Haitians
the next year. In February 1844 Duarte returned, and the Dominican Republic proclaimed its independence.
It was not Duarte's followers, however, who ultimately triumphed, but
a local caudillo (military dictator), Pedro Santana. The defeated
Duarte was exiled and took up residence in Caracas.
He left Caracas for the Dominican Republic only once, during the War
of Restoration (1864) against Spain, after which he was sent on a
diplomatic mission for one year. Juan Pablo Duarte died in 1876.
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 9:15 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
He must be rolling in his Grave given what Narco Lie-onel and the PLD MAFIA have done to the Dominican Republic!
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
We are here today to commerate a great man whose sound mind assisted in establishing la Trinitaria ,,We are not talking about todays petty politics
Written by: generoso, 26 Jan 2013 10:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Happy Birthday, most revered Juán!
PS: Sorry about the millions of illegal haitians that, have returned again, to invade us against our will.
Citizens must never forget, that our independence was won, kicking the haitians out.
Written by: synapse, 26 Jan 2013 11:26 AM
From: United States
He must be spinning in his grave disgusted to see how his country never stopped being the Banana Republic he worked so hard and sacrificed to prevent. If he were alive today he would start a revolution to take control of the country away from corrupt politicians and the military..
Today he hangs his head so low in shame, it is kissing his nuts.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
There are very few countries where the path of history is smooth .Even within the 100 years after the death of Duarte ,there were private armies in this country all assembled to guard and enhance personal ambition .
France has had a turbulent history also and I suppose one could say Napolean would be turning in his grave ,,,I am sure de Gaulle would be .
So we must live in the present ,plan for the future and learn from the past .
From: United States
Los restos de Duarte , Sanchez , Mella y leonel estaran juntos en el altar de la patria..
honor a quien honor merece..!
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 1:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
You are not just dumb and stupid but crazy as well!
From: Jamaica
What did he get for his birthday? Bleach!
Look at his hair in the picture above and then look at his picture in the preceding story. The man gets whiter as we go along.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 3:36 PM
From: United States, NYC
On Monday I will celebrate my birthday and drink in honor of our National patriot, and namesake, Juan Pablo Duarte y Díez.
"Duarte was very patriotic and began organizing the historical movement as not to accept Haitian domination. His philosophy is between "Dominican and the Haitians a fusion is not possible". This impossibility did not come from racial differences but the cultural ways that the Dominican society was based on at that time, He based his ideas on the political doctrines of the time that he learned in Spain, romanticism, liberalism, the nationalism."
colonialzone-dr.com/people_history-Duarte.html
Duarte helped to organize a secret society, "La Trinitaria" on July 16, 1838, among whose first members were Juan Pablo Duarte, Juan Isidro Perez, Pedro Alexander Pina, Maria Ruiz, Jose Maria Serra, Benito González, Felipe Alfau and Juan Nepomuceno Ravelo, for which he took the responsibility to direct.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 3:37 PM
From: United States, NYC
Some famous quotes made by Duarte
"Sed unidos,
y así apagaréis la tea de la discordia
y venceréis a vuestros enemigos,
y la patria será libre y salva."
"Pues cuando en la tempestad
se ve perder la esperanza,
estrellase en la mudanza
la nave de la amistad."
"La política no es una especulación;
es la ciencia más pura y la más digna,
después de la filosofía, de ocupar
las inteligencias nobles"
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 3:38 PM
From: United States, NYC
Juramento de los Trinitarios/ Oath of the Trinitarians
En el nombre de la santísima, augustísima e indivisible Trinidad de Dios Omnipotente, en manos de nuestro presidente Juan Pablo Duarte, cooperar con mi persona, vida y bienes a la Separación definitiva del gobierno haitiano, y a implantar una República libre, soberana e independiente de toda dominación extranjera, que se denominará República Dominicana, la cual tendrá su pabellón tricolor, en cuartos encarnados y azules, atravesados con una cruz blanca. Mientras tanto, seremos reconocidos los Trinitarios con las palabras sacramentales: "Dios", "Patria" y "Libertad". Así lo prometo ante Dios y el mundo: si lo hago, Dios me proteja, y de no, me lo tome en cuenta, y mis consocios me castiguen el perjurio y la traición, si los vendo.
From: Jamaica
"On Monday I will celebrate my birthday and drink in honor of our National patriot, and namesake, Juan Pablo Duarte y Díez"-Atabey
When you get to the part of your celebration where everyone starts passing around the blunt weed, please extend a long arm to Jamaica for a puff. I will wait for Juan Pablo y Diaz to drag first...just to demonstrate that we are not greedy in Jamaica.
Written by: IloveDR, 26 Jan 2013 3:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
@Josena, no he must also be rolling on his grave knowing that our country/ society is getting destroyed by the Haitians who are led in!!
Happy birthday anyways!
Dios, patria y libertad!
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 3:55 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
@Josena, no he must also be rolling on his grave knowing that our country/ society is getting destroyed by the Haitians who are led in!!
……………….And Narco Lie-onel Building a University in Haiti while Dominicans can't even register at the UASD!
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 4:13 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: chilliwestaziz,
From: Jamaica
"On Monday I will celebrate my birthday and drink in honor of our National patriot, and namesake, Juan Pablo Duarte y Díez"-Atabey
When you get to the part of your celebration where everyone starts passing around the blunt weed, please extend a long arm to Jamaica for a puff. I will wait for Juan Pablo y Diaz to drag first...just to demonstrate that we are not greedy in Jamaica."
Not into all that, college days are gone, and some of us are adults with responsibilities at hand.
How are your Greek lessons going down in Jamaica?
Perhaps Ganga will pay the way?
"Kingston's Daily Gleaner, the most violently partisan press backer of the Seaga campaign, was particularly blatant:
"The salvation of this country lies in ganja (the local term for marijuana). . . . We should stop producing so much sugarcane and produce more ganja instead. We wouldn't have any strikes because smokers would be glad to help with production."
From: United States, Brooklyn
si duarte pudiera ver to lo Haitiano que hay en sto. domingo, el diria "pa que me sacrifique yo"
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 4:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Just with seeing Lie-onel and Felix Bautista would be enough!
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 6:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
EXPELL THOSE HATIAN ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
I want to see my compatriots put pressure on the government officials to,
STOP ILLEGAL HATIAN MIGRATION TO QUISQUEYA.
My purpose is awakening my compatriots that enough is enough.
DOMINICANOS LETS NOT TOLERATE HATIAN MIGRATION ANYMORE
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 6:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Duarte que moneda tan falsa (celebrar tu natalicio), para pagarte lo que nunca cobraste
Dominicanos, lets not tolerate hatian illegal migration anymore.
Enough is enough.
FUERA HAITIANOS DE QUISQUEYA !!!!!
From: Jamaica
His own people like the ones who claim to love him today exiled his family to Venezuela and thanks to a Haitian, his body was returned to rest in the DR.
Written by: BASTA, 26 Jan 2013 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
chilliwestaziz, ==4****s
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 7:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Expel all hatians illegals from quisqueya !!!!!
From: Jamaica
Rokete may expel the Haitians but he will never expel the history.
From: Norway
Atabey says
"This impossibility did not come from racial differences but the cultural ways that the Dominican society was based on at that time,"
Do u really believe this??? 1838 com on man
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 9:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No longer concern about history.
I am concern about the present.
EXPEL HATIAN ILLEGALS FRON QUISQUEYA !!!
Written by: derek, 26 Jan 2013 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean.... You are the dumbest of them all.......... There is so much good happening here these days, and all you can rant about is Lionel, etc......... Would you really rather have Hipolito/ Vargas squabbling in public and taking bribes ??????????
Truly you are not just DUMB, but should be certified as INSANE
From: Norway
rokete as far as I understand u do not have either a past or a future.
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 9:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Your understanding is deceiving you
EXPELL ALL HATIAN ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 9:37 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
derek,
I am glad you follow my comments so closely!
From: United States
derek: 100% right!
Written by: josean, 26 Jan 2013 10:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Another josean butt sniffer!
From: Jamaica
Duarte did not rid the DR from slavery. The Haitians did that. Caceres requested help from Simon Bolivar to combat the Haitians. Simon ignored him because the Haitians helped put Simon in power. Duarte thought his people would embrace Democracy and fairness but they showed their true intentions when the Haitians were ousted from power in 1844. Santana got rid of his family and handed the country back to Spain. The old slave owners. Duarte never succeeded. His ideas would succeed later on.
Written by: IloveDR, 26 Jan 2013 10:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ScandiViking if your delusional Scandinavian arse doesn't believe we have no past nor future then get the hell out of here troll. Don't come to DR if you only want to complain and B*tch about us..
We do have a future and only real/ truthful Dominicans know this in their hearts :) !
From: Norway
Chill dont ruin the day and the history,
Ilovedr
Sorry I ment a very confused past and a very uncertain future. Since 1844 up till today u have had a lot of santanas and continue to have. Do u gonna see the light within the next 100 years??? good luck.
Written by: rokete, 27 Jan 2013 12:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No longer concern about history.
I am concern about the present.
Matter at hand and it is simple to resolve.
EXPEL ALL HATIAN ILLEGALS FRON QUISQUEYA !!!
Written by: rokete, 27 Jan 2013 12:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Unlike Hatians we don't believe in luck.
We believe in resolving issues by taking action.
EXPELL ALL ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
From: Norway
rokete
And some of your action would be: leaving on a yola, get all teenagers pregnant, win a domino game over a lot of presidente and brag about the actions you will take next century. Dreams are good if you have the guts to follow.
btw if all Haitiens went back to Haiti, you would be back to 1830
Written by: rokete, 27 Jan 2013 1:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ScandiViking
The truth hurts.
Unlike Hatians we don't believe in luck.
We believe in resolving issues by taking action.
The actions we took in 1844, all over again starting as of 2013.
To
EXPELL ALL ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Written by: rokete, 27 Jan 2013 1:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ScandiViking
You are not worth my answers, go and F@#$ck yourself, monkey.
EXPEL ALL HAITIAN ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Written by: rokete, 27 Jan 2013 2:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Vikingo
Your Haitian education only lets you see, BLACK.
The only continent AFRICA
Your religion VOODOO
Your ancestry EL CONGO
You can't count that 1 + 1 = 2
You need to at least learn how to count.
Your commenting is elemental and without purpose.
This is my purpose.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
Written by: Pepe32, 27 Jan 2013 8:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"and the idealist socialism."
Atabey,that sounds like revisionism..there was no such creature in his time.
Written by: Pepe32, 27 Jan 2013 9:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Duarte did not rid the DR from slavery. The Haitians did that.
**Then proceeding to enslave Dominicans under a worse yoke!
Caceres requested help from Simon Bolivar to combat the Haitians.
** Haitian fantasies of grandeur ,a handful of men and some weapons did not liberate South America,it was Simon Bolivar ,San Martin and others who did this.
Simon ignored him because the Haitians helped put Simon in power. Duarte thought his people would embrace Democracy and fairness but they showed their true intentions when the Haitians were ousted from power in 1844.
**Idiocy,Duarte's MAIN intention was to remove Haitians from OUR lands and no democracy existed under the tyrannical Haitian occupation.
Santana got rid of his family and handed the country back to Spain. The old slave owners. Duarte never succeeded. His ideas would succeed later on.
**Santana (after kicking Haitian arse over and over) realised that the Haitians would not stop,and due to their NUMERICAL superiority would
Written by: Pepe32, 27 Jan 2013 9:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
eventually overrun DR (prophetic )
Written by: Pepe32, 27 Jan 2013 9:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"btw if all Haitiens went back to Haiti, you would be back to 1830"
And Haiti would be in the paleolithic.
Written by: Pepe32, 27 Jan 2013 9:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"Sorry I ment a very confused past and a very uncertain future. Since 1844 up till today u have had a lot of santanas and continue to have. Do u gonna see the light within the next 100 years??? good luck."
Trying to decifer the babble.. MENT , DO U GONNA SEE...
It is obvious Santana,Duarte and all the others were way superior to the dessalines,Boyer's ,Soulouques and Christophe's (King LOL!!)
From: United States
Haitians saved Dominican Republic from being a US colony Like Puerto-Rico and a colony of Spain until now. Haiti paid your independence debt to Spain,wrote your first constitution, resurected all the Tainos and Awawaks that Christopher Columbus, Nicolás de Ovando y Cáceres massacred to give you "Indiano"ancestor and spare you to reveals your Haitian and African heritage when your skin complexion look darker. You dump your commercial products in Haiti for over $ 1.9 billion so your people could get a better standard of living; this will stop soon. You dumped 45,000 Dominican females who specialized in playing yoyo in Haiti that will stop soon.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Jan 2013 2:09 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pepe,
What chilliwestaziz,and ScandiViking don't seem to get is that far from being an example of extreme racism and injustice, the society that was evolving in what is today called the DR, was in many ways far more tolerant and just than anything that had and has come to be on the Haitian side of the island.
One need only point out the surprise and yes, disdain that many Spanish officers and soldiers felt when they came to the DR following DR's move back into the Colonial fold. Many opening stating that back in Cuba or Puerto Rico, many of the Dominican soldiers and even officers would be considered mulattoes and blacks, unfit for duty. And while it's a fact that the Haitian invasion, plunder and rape caused some impact along the racial divide, augmenting the numbers of blacks in the eastern side of the border, even BEFORE that invasion the Spanish speaking side had been evolving for hundreds of years a very mixed racial type.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Jan 2013 2:13 PM
From: United States, NYC
Also, these guys should read Marti and Hostos regarding the Confederation of the Caribbean. I think both make it very clear that the Confederation would consist of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. They considered and rejected Haiti as suitable entity.
The issues that divide DR from Haiti are not only racial; in fact the cultural and political-economic aspects have much more to do with the divide.
But some people only want to see and express the racial aspect. Missing the forest for the trees.
Written by: josean, 27 Jan 2013 2:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
In your case you can’t see neither the forest or the trees!
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Jan 2013 9:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
¨¨In your case you can’t see neither the forest or the trees!"
Atabey,there's a little chihuahua nipping at your heels...just kick him away!
From: Jamaica
Atabey & Pepe32,
Please do not try to twist the history of this guy. He wanted a democratic and fair dominican society. Democratic and fair for the light skinned citizens only. The Haitians came in and took over. He allied with other Dominican groups who also wanted the Haitians out But for different reasons. When the Haitians were finally ousted, the true powers to be (like Santana) in the anti-Haitian movement pushed aside old Duarte (his ideas) and his followers and gave the country back to Spain in 1861. Duarte had already been exiled one year prior to the 1844 ousting of Haitian rule. The Haitians had kicked him out of his own country and when the Haitians were kicked out, the real powers (white Dominican colonialist supporters) sent Duarte's entire family into exile to join him. In my opinion, the Haitians were not savages because if they were, they would have tortured and then executed Duarte for insurgency but they chose to exile him instead.
From: Jamaica
Please Atabey and Pepe32 tell me where I can reference one book, one article, one valid source that describes the savage rule of Haitians in the Dominican Republic during the 1822 take over? The 'rapes' that you describe and as told to you by your grandparents and stemming from Trujillo propaganda. Today, in the world news, the US has accused North Korea of cannibalism (specifically eating their children). All Lies!!!! This is the typical propaganda marketing campaign of governments that are against other governments. They try to levy support by spreading lies to dissuade national dissent. True pieces of $*it! Trujillo did it during his tenure and today you have 'maldito Haitiano' (something I am sure has been said by every living Dominican at some point during their life).
From: Jamaica
I must say that I am sure that a few Dominicans were raped by Haitians during the 1822 take-over. Power corrupts! I am sure that the Haitian student lady that was robbed, raped, and murdered by Dominicans is a WELL DOCUMENTED account of savagery and 'male overpowering of female' gone astray or gone wild. In similar fashion, I am not doubting that there has probably been some occurrence of cannibalism in North Korea; probably by some psychotic deranged nutcase. Probably, someone not too askew from the mindset of the US born, US bred, and US raised Jeffrey Dahmer.
Do you feel the chill of chilliwest. I always say it aziz!
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 1:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Chill says: "He wanted a democratic and fair dominican society. Democratic and fair for the light skinned citizens only."
That's a pretty tall and bold tale to make, specially when the person in question that is being slandered thus (cuz' that is what your accusation amounts to), made the following verse:
"Los blancos, morenos,
cobrizos, cruzados,
marchando serenos,
unidos y osados,
la Patria salvemos
de viles tiranos,
y al mundo mostremos
que somos hermanos".
Moreover, mr. slanderer, I'd recommend for you to read the work of the Haitian historian Jean Price-Mars, who, notwithstanding the fact that he was no friend to the Dominican nation, was fair enough to recognize the qualities of Duarte and his cause. The book in question is called "The Republic of Haiti and the Dominican Republic" even though I have only seen it translated into Spanish and French. ¿Cómo te quedó el ojo, Pilarín?
From: Jamaica
Lautaro,
The man supported slavery. Why would you support such an evil institution and why does his legacy not include the abolition of slavery in the DR at the time? Remember, Duarte wanted to pull all of the Dominicans behind his struggle and that is why he mentions 'morenos', etc etc. He needed all the help he could get, especially, since so many darker Dominicans welcomed the arrival of the Haitians in 1822. All slavery was finally abolished in the DR during this period. Thanks to the Haitians.
When the US went to war in Vietnam, the white Americans made the blacks feel so welcomed (integrated) and they made them feel as if they were such an important part of the war effort. When the war was over, the blacks went back home and the whites reverted back to calling them 'ni99ers in uniform.' Where is it written that Duarte was an abolitionist and opponent of slavery in the DR????
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 2:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Chilly says: "The man supported slavery."
I might as well ask you to put forward the proof of this vile accusation, specially since the author I mentioned above, was the main champion of the negritude movement in this island (along with Papa Doc Duvalier) so it's doubtful that something as grave as this would have escaped his notice, don't you think? Again, put the proof of your accusation forward, or shut up.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 2:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I always find it funny the fact that it's you foreigners the ones who want to be more Haitian than the Haitians themselves, in an exercise of what could be termed as being more Popish than the Pope, specially when some foreign parties have been the culprits for the situation over there (in Haiti, where the main problems lie) having become as grave as it is.
Written by: josean, 28 Jan 2013 3:08 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
¨¨In your case you can’t see neither the forest or the trees!
Says KKK Pepe32:
"Atabey,there's a little chihuahua nipping at your heels...just kick him away!"
If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch!
From: Jamaica
Lautaro,
I support Dominicans too. I just can't find one thing that the Dominicans have ever done in history to help the cause of black people in general. Not one thing! Not one contribution outside of their own benefit. Remember what I told you about Duarte cajoling the morenos on your island in hopes of increasing his band of freedom fighters? How do the Dominicans who honor Duarte feel about morenos today over there in the DR? How are they treated in comparison to lighter skinned Dominicans? In a word, 'unequal'. My last trip to the DR some years ago, I walked into three banks and not one (not one) woman teller of color. Your country is still one of the most racist places on earth even after Democracia and fairness- Duarte-Style. We still love you guys, the tostones are great! Not the ketchup...American Ketchup is better.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 3:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Chilly says: "I just can't find one thing that the Dominicans have ever done in history to help the cause of black people in general."
Because our society isn't divided ethnically between whites and blacks. Over here every Dominican, from the most lily white turpen to the blackest of our politicians dances to Merengue, eats the same dishes, and most importantly, speaks the same language, unlike your British West Indian case and the one of the French Caribbean one (Haiti included), where you have the upper lighter skinned crust of society speaking the Euro language properly while the rest of the masses speaks a patois that is more or less farther from the main parent language (the division being more pronounced between French/Kreyol Ayisien than between English/Jamaican, Barbadian, etc patois).
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 3:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Moreover, not exactly a "black" cause, but Cuban independence wouldn't have been possible without the leadership of one Dominican man called Maximo Gomez, and the efforts of many more Dominican volunteers at the lower ranks. And most importantly, the covert support of the Dominican president of the time, Ulises Heureaux, to that cause. It's also superfluous to say that to this president is that the Duarte elevation is due, and his being of Haitian descent is more than enough to crush your "Duarte supported slavery" assertion, specially since Heureaux, unlike Trujillo, never forgot where his roots came.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 3:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Another thing is that, if there's anything that all the Dominican pro-independence parties agreed to, from the Trinitarios to the pro-Spanish cattle ranchers, agreed to was to include the banishment of the mere idea of slavery being restored from their respective programmes, a prohibition that chieftains like the Puello brothers would assure themselves of its enforcement, so much so that the Gubernative Central Junta, no matter if it was led by Trinitarios or the Santanistas at the moment, proclaimed that the merest hint of slavery being restored to be heard on any of the military camps fighting the independence war would be punished by death. Quien no sea mañé que hable claro, carajo!!
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 3:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
In short, chilliwestaziz, you, and other similar black nationalist thinking foreigners, will never be able to understand the Dominican psyche as long as you keep trying to analyze the society from a plantation society lens, whereas the economic process here (which is important to understand the society that ended up being created in its wake) would be characterized by the cattle ranch, where so called "masters" and "slaves" were as equally poor and had to aid each other in the survival process, which was a stark contrast with the marked social divide seem in the plantation process on the French western part and the rest of the English/French/Dutch Caribbean, where enslaved people would markedly surpass in numbers the free one, while the poor economic process in the Spanish Caribbean would dictate an opposite process, until Spain reintroduced plantation slavery in Cuba/PR in the XIXth century and attempted to do so in this country when it returned to its imperial fold in 1861.
From: Norway
Lautaro
If it wasnt for the pressure of the foreigners you would be dreaming sweet dreams of your history untill your nickers got wet.
From: Jamaica
Lautaro,
By your testimony, I am glad to hear that Dominican society is so integrated today. The racism over there is apparantly non-existent and Duarte fully and truly realized his dream of a united DR (blancos y morenos). Next time I get over there, I better not walk into BHD bank and not find some sisters (chocolate ones) to give me assistance with my transactions.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
By all means, be my guest, chilli. In fact, you can go to the Central Bank here and find them quite aplenty. If you choose to not see them it will be your fault, not ours.
As for you Scandi, go jump off a cliff, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.
From: Norway
lautaro, im jumping off cliffs from time to time with a parachute on, but thanks anyway. I hope your problems are solved within the next century. I am sure you will do your outmost to success, as of course all dominicans will as soon as the Haitiens are out of dr. Dont forget to change your nickers.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 5:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Methinks you should be whining and complaining to the EU about the Somalis and MENAS flooding your own damn country instead of getting your nose into matters not of your concern. Besides, you're dreaming if you think for a moment that the Haitians would have any consideration for a blanc like you in spite of your advocacy for them, the same holding true for the rest of foreigners all the same. You are all blancs to them, and so will be treated accordingly.
From: Norway
Lautaro says
"You are all blancs to them, and so will be treated accordingly."
Are you claiming that if white Haitians will treat you badly? If so, since dominicans are mostly black, they will be treating you well.
The norm is, if you treat someone well, regardless of color or religion, most likely it will be returned.
I am in doubt if this happens with dominicans due to the "pendejo" mentality.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jan 2013 6:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Blanc/blan, monsieur Euro meddler, is the catch-all term that the Haitians use to refer to foreigners in general, regardless of color. It's their equivalent to the Japanese "Gaijin" term. Originally it used to refer only to Euros both of the colony and the Old World, but thoughout the centuries the term has expanded to ita current meaning. Although in our case (and the one of Spanish speakers in general), the term "Panyol" is used in tandem with Blanc.
Written by: rokete, 28 Jan 2013 9:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Deport all those illegals, and AIDS infected, Haitians from Quisqueya !!!
From: United States
A country without a "Coat of Arms", it's like a person without a last name.
There's a light that never goes out.
Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The government spends RD$1.04 Billion pesos, on Haitian illegals health care.
How many Dominicans are in need of that money?
How many Dominican would benefit if that money is spent on education?
How many Dominicans would benefit if that money is spent on their health care??
How many Dominicans would put food on their tables ??
How many bridges would be build in DR??
How many roads paved??
How many schools build??
How many houses build??
How many hospitals ??
How many Kilo Watt of energy produced??
How many dams build??
How many canals for irrigation??
How many docks??
These are the kind of thing some people don't want to understand.
The Dominican Republic is a very poor country.
We cannot have the luxury of spending that kind of money on the health care of illegal Haitians, while our own people are in need of those funds.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
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He must be rolling in his Grave given what Narco Lie-onel and the PLD MAFIA have done to the Dominican Republic!
PS: Sorry about the millions of illegal haitians that, have returned again, to invade us against our will.
Citizens must never forget, that our independence was won, kicking the haitians out.
He must be spinning in his grave disgusted to see how his country never stopped being the Banana Republic he worked so hard and sacrificed to prevent. If he were alive today he would start a revolution to take control of the country away from corrupt politicians and the military..
Today he hangs his head so low in shame, it is kissing his nuts.
France has had a turbulent history also and I suppose one could say Napolean would be turning in his grave ,,,I am sure de Gaulle would be .
So we must live in the present ,plan for the future and learn from the past .
Los restos de Duarte , Sanchez , Mella y leonel estaran juntos en el altar de la patria..
honor a quien honor merece..!
You are not just dumb and stupid but crazy as well!
Look at his hair in the picture above and then look at his picture in the preceding story. The man gets whiter as we go along.
"Duarte was very patriotic and began organizing the historical movement as not to accept Haitian domination. His philosophy is between "Dominican and the Haitians a fusion is not possible". This impossibility did not come from racial differences but the cultural ways that the Dominican society was based on at that time, He based his ideas on the political doctrines of the time that he learned in Spain, romanticism, liberalism, the nationalism."
colonialzone-dr.com/people_history-Duarte.html
Duarte helped to organize a secret society, "La Trinitaria" on July 16, 1838, among whose first members were Juan Pablo Duarte, Juan Isidro Perez, Pedro Alexander Pina, Maria Ruiz, Jose Maria Serra, Benito González, Felipe Alfau and Juan Nepomuceno Ravelo, for which he took the responsibility to direct.
"Sed unidos,
y así apagaréis la tea de la discordia
y venceréis a vuestros enemigos,
y la patria será libre y salva."
"Pues cuando en la tempestad
se ve perder la esperanza,
estrellase en la mudanza
la nave de la amistad."
"La política no es una especulación;
es la ciencia más pura y la más digna,
después de la filosofía, de ocupar
las inteligencias nobles"
Juramento de los Trinitarios/ Oath of the Trinitarians
En el nombre de la santísima, augustísima e indivisible Trinidad de Dios Omnipotente, en manos de nuestro presidente Juan Pablo Duarte, cooperar con mi persona, vida y bienes a la Separación definitiva del gobierno haitiano, y a implantar una República libre, soberana e independiente de toda dominación extranjera, que se denominará República Dominicana, la cual tendrá su pabellón tricolor, en cuartos encarnados y azules, atravesados con una cruz blanca. Mientras tanto, seremos reconocidos los Trinitarios con las palabras sacramentales: "Dios", "Patria" y "Libertad". Así lo prometo ante Dios y el mundo: si lo hago, Dios me proteja, y de no, me lo tome en cuenta, y mis consocios me castiguen el perjurio y la traición, si los vendo.
When you get to the part of your celebration where everyone starts passing around the blunt weed, please extend a long arm to Jamaica for a puff. I will wait for Juan Pablo y Diaz to drag first...just to demonstrate that we are not greedy in Jamaica.
Happy birthday anyways!
Dios, patria y libertad!
@Josena, no he must also be rolling on his grave knowing that our country/ society is getting destroyed by the Haitians who are led in!!
……………….And Narco Lie-onel Building a University in Haiti while Dominicans can't even register at the UASD!
From: Jamaica
"On Monday I will celebrate my birthday and drink in honor of our National patriot, and namesake, Juan Pablo Duarte y Díez"-Atabey
When you get to the part of your celebration where everyone starts passing around the blunt weed, please extend a long arm to Jamaica for a puff. I will wait for Juan Pablo y Diaz to drag first...just to demonstrate that we are not greedy in Jamaica."
Not into all that, college days are gone, and some of us are adults with responsibilities at hand.
How are your Greek lessons going down in Jamaica?
Perhaps Ganga will pay the way?
"Kingston's Daily Gleaner, the most violently partisan press backer of the Seaga campaign, was particularly blatant:
"The salvation of this country lies in ganja (the local term for marijuana). . . . We should stop producing so much sugarcane and produce more ganja instead. We wouldn't have any strikes because smokers would be glad to help with production."
Just with seeing Lie-onel and Felix Bautista would be enough!
I want to see my compatriots put pressure on the government officials to,
STOP ILLEGAL HATIAN MIGRATION TO QUISQUEYA.
My purpose is awakening my compatriots that enough is enough.
DOMINICANOS LETS NOT TOLERATE HATIAN MIGRATION ANYMORE
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Dominicanos, lets not tolerate hatian illegal migration anymore.
Enough is enough.
FUERA HAITIANOS DE QUISQUEYA !!!!!
"This impossibility did not come from racial differences but the cultural ways that the Dominican society was based on at that time,"
Do u really believe this??? 1838 com on man
I am concern about the present.
EXPEL HATIAN ILLEGALS FRON QUISQUEYA !!!
Truly you are not just DUMB, but should be certified as INSANE
EXPELL ALL HATIAN ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
derek,
I am glad you follow my comments so closely!
derek: 100% right!
Another josean butt sniffer!
We do have a future and only real/ truthful Dominicans know this in their hearts :) !
Ilovedr
Sorry I ment a very confused past and a very uncertain future. Since 1844 up till today u have had a lot of santanas and continue to have. Do u gonna see the light within the next 100 years??? good luck.
I am concern about the present.
Matter at hand and it is simple to resolve.
EXPEL ALL HATIAN ILLEGALS FRON QUISQUEYA !!!
We believe in resolving issues by taking action.
EXPELL ALL ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
And some of your action would be: leaving on a yola, get all teenagers pregnant, win a domino game over a lot of presidente and brag about the actions you will take next century. Dreams are good if you have the guts to follow.
btw if all Haitiens went back to Haiti, you would be back to 1830
The truth hurts.
Unlike Hatians we don't believe in luck.
We believe in resolving issues by taking action.
The actions we took in 1844, all over again starting as of 2013.
To
EXPELL ALL ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
You are not worth my answers, go and F@#$ck yourself, monkey.
EXPEL ALL HAITIAN ILLEGALS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Your Haitian education only lets you see, BLACK.
The only continent AFRICA
Your religion VOODOO
Your ancestry EL CONGO
You can't count that 1 + 1 = 2
You need to at least learn how to count.
Your commenting is elemental and without purpose.
This is my purpose.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
Atabey,that sounds like revisionism..there was no such creature in his time.
**Then proceeding to enslave Dominicans under a worse yoke!
Caceres requested help from Simon Bolivar to combat the Haitians.
** Haitian fantasies of grandeur ,a handful of men and some weapons did not liberate South America,it was Simon Bolivar ,San Martin and others who did this.
Simon ignored him because the Haitians helped put Simon in power. Duarte thought his people would embrace Democracy and fairness but they showed their true intentions when the Haitians were ousted from power in 1844.
**Idiocy,Duarte's MAIN intention was to remove Haitians from OUR lands and no democracy existed under the tyrannical Haitian occupation.
Santana got rid of his family and handed the country back to Spain. The old slave owners. Duarte never succeeded. His ideas would succeed later on.
**Santana (after kicking Haitian arse over and over) realised that the Haitians would not stop,and due to their NUMERICAL superiority would
And Haiti would be in the paleolithic.
Trying to decifer the babble.. MENT , DO U GONNA SEE...
It is obvious Santana,Duarte and all the others were way superior to the dessalines,Boyer's ,Soulouques and Christophe's (King LOL!!)
Pepe,
What chilliwestaziz,and ScandiViking don't seem to get is that far from being an example of extreme racism and injustice, the society that was evolving in what is today called the DR, was in many ways far more tolerant and just than anything that had and has come to be on the Haitian side of the island.
One need only point out the surprise and yes, disdain that many Spanish officers and soldiers felt when they came to the DR following DR's move back into the Colonial fold. Many opening stating that back in Cuba or Puerto Rico, many of the Dominican soldiers and even officers would be considered mulattoes and blacks, unfit for duty. And while it's a fact that the Haitian invasion, plunder and rape caused some impact along the racial divide, augmenting the numbers of blacks in the eastern side of the border, even BEFORE that invasion the Spanish speaking side had been evolving for hundreds of years a very mixed racial type.
The issues that divide DR from Haiti are not only racial; in fact the cultural and political-economic aspects have much more to do with the divide.
But some people only want to see and express the racial aspect. Missing the forest for the trees.
In your case you can’t see neither the forest or the trees!
Atabey,there's a little chihuahua nipping at your heels...just kick him away!
Please do not try to twist the history of this guy. He wanted a democratic and fair dominican society. Democratic and fair for the light skinned citizens only. The Haitians came in and took over. He allied with other Dominican groups who also wanted the Haitians out But for different reasons. When the Haitians were finally ousted, the true powers to be (like Santana) in the anti-Haitian movement pushed aside old Duarte (his ideas) and his followers and gave the country back to Spain in 1861. Duarte had already been exiled one year prior to the 1844 ousting of Haitian rule. The Haitians had kicked him out of his own country and when the Haitians were kicked out, the real powers (white Dominican colonialist supporters) sent Duarte's entire family into exile to join him. In my opinion, the Haitians were not savages because if they were, they would have tortured and then executed Duarte for insurgency but they chose to exile him instead.
Do you feel the chill of chilliwest. I always say it aziz!
That's a pretty tall and bold tale to make, specially when the person in question that is being slandered thus (cuz' that is what your accusation amounts to), made the following verse:
"Los blancos, morenos,
cobrizos, cruzados,
marchando serenos,
unidos y osados,
la Patria salvemos
de viles tiranos,
y al mundo mostremos
que somos hermanos".
Moreover, mr. slanderer, I'd recommend for you to read the work of the Haitian historian Jean Price-Mars, who, notwithstanding the fact that he was no friend to the Dominican nation, was fair enough to recognize the qualities of Duarte and his cause. The book in question is called "The Republic of Haiti and the Dominican Republic" even though I have only seen it translated into Spanish and French. ¿Cómo te quedó el ojo, Pilarín?
The man supported slavery. Why would you support such an evil institution and why does his legacy not include the abolition of slavery in the DR at the time? Remember, Duarte wanted to pull all of the Dominicans behind his struggle and that is why he mentions 'morenos', etc etc. He needed all the help he could get, especially, since so many darker Dominicans welcomed the arrival of the Haitians in 1822. All slavery was finally abolished in the DR during this period. Thanks to the Haitians.
When the US went to war in Vietnam, the white Americans made the blacks feel so welcomed (integrated) and they made them feel as if they were such an important part of the war effort. When the war was over, the blacks went back home and the whites reverted back to calling them 'ni99ers in uniform.' Where is it written that Duarte was an abolitionist and opponent of slavery in the DR????
I might as well ask you to put forward the proof of this vile accusation, specially since the author I mentioned above, was the main champion of the negritude movement in this island (along with Papa Doc Duvalier) so it's doubtful that something as grave as this would have escaped his notice, don't you think? Again, put the proof of your accusation forward, or shut up.
¨¨In your case you can’t see neither the forest or the trees!
Says KKK Pepe32:
"Atabey,there's a little chihuahua nipping at your heels...just kick him away!"
If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch!
I support Dominicans too. I just can't find one thing that the Dominicans have ever done in history to help the cause of black people in general. Not one thing! Not one contribution outside of their own benefit. Remember what I told you about Duarte cajoling the morenos on your island in hopes of increasing his band of freedom fighters? How do the Dominicans who honor Duarte feel about morenos today over there in the DR? How are they treated in comparison to lighter skinned Dominicans? In a word, 'unequal'. My last trip to the DR some years ago, I walked into three banks and not one (not one) woman teller of color. Your country is still one of the most racist places on earth even after Democracia and fairness- Duarte-Style. We still love you guys, the tostones are great! Not the ketchup...American Ketchup is better.
Because our society isn't divided ethnically between whites and blacks. Over here every Dominican, from the most lily white turpen to the blackest of our politicians dances to Merengue, eats the same dishes, and most importantly, speaks the same language, unlike your British West Indian case and the one of the French Caribbean one (Haiti included), where you have the upper lighter skinned crust of society speaking the Euro language properly while the rest of the masses speaks a patois that is more or less farther from the main parent language (the division being more pronounced between French/Kreyol Ayisien than between English/Jamaican, Barbadian, etc patois).
If it wasnt for the pressure of the foreigners you would be dreaming sweet dreams of your history untill your nickers got wet.
By your testimony, I am glad to hear that Dominican society is so integrated today. The racism over there is apparantly non-existent and Duarte fully and truly realized his dream of a united DR (blancos y morenos). Next time I get over there, I better not walk into BHD bank and not find some sisters (chocolate ones) to give me assistance with my transactions.
As for you Scandi, go jump off a cliff, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.
"You are all blancs to them, and so will be treated accordingly."
Are you claiming that if white Haitians will treat you badly? If so, since dominicans are mostly black, they will be treating you well.
The norm is, if you treat someone well, regardless of color or religion, most likely it will be returned.
I am in doubt if this happens with dominicans due to the "pendejo" mentality.
Deport all those illegals, and AIDS infected, Haitians from Quisqueya !!!
There's a light that never goes out.
The government spends RD$1.04 Billion pesos, on Haitian illegals health care.
How many Dominicans are in need of that money?
How many Dominican would benefit if that money is spent on education?
How many Dominicans would benefit if that money is spent on their health care??
How many Dominicans would put food on their tables ??
How many bridges would be build in DR??
How many roads paved??
How many schools build??
How many houses build??
How many hospitals ??
How many Kilo Watt of energy produced??
How many dams build??
How many canals for irrigation??
How many docks??
These are the kind of thing some people don't want to understand.
The Dominican Republic is a very poor country.
We cannot have the luxury of spending that kind of money on the health care of illegal Haitians, while our own people are in need of those funds.
EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!