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Santo Domingo.- Chanting "Them there and us here," a crowd gathered at the downtown Independencia park Monday afternoon to support the recent Constitutional Court ruling on Dominican nationality.

The National Sovereignty Defense Network organized the activity with lawyers, journalists, neighborhood boards, sports clubs and other social groups, who proclaimed their commitment to Dominicanism.

"We don't negotiate our sovereignty" was another chant, while banners read "Illegal Haitians out of Dominican Republic; "Not illegals in our country;" "We asked to finish the wall they started;" "Respect for the right to nationalization" and "Support Ruling 168-13."

In his speech, one of the organizers Felipe Auffant Najri said the uncontrolled immigration denies poor Dominicans the benefits of their own country’s economic growth, their jobs and salaries, which in their view is under pressure from poorer immigrants, who "compete for their jobs and are willing to work for less."

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81 comment(s)
Written by: zooma, 5 Nov 2013 9:25 AM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic

The government has always controlled the "uncontrolled immigration ". It is the keeper of the gate.

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 9:34 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Respect for the right to nationalization"

Does that include our GOLD and energy sector?

Hypocrites!


Written by: bernies, 5 Nov 2013 10:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
Hey Josean many people have died in protests to protest the resources, GOLD and energy sector, or aren't you reading the news papers later. Cotui is always under constant protestign demanding more for their communities from the gold mines that are in that area. How about Loma Miranda, Los Hiatises the mining and cement factory project has been stop because of the public outcry. Also are you aware that more than 60% of the women giving birth in the border towns with Haiti are Haitians women whom crossed the border just to give birth in our public hospital of those area. So what do you say we should give Dominican nationality to those born here when their parents don't even live here. You see this is what we are trying to protect. Will you imagine what will happens if we were to have the jeus solis. Well it will no longer be called Dominican Repulic. I was in Miami one time and Haitian woman greeted me saying you are from country and this lady has been in this country or spoke Spanish
Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 10:02 AM
From: United States
Looking at the picture above, most of these people would be deported. This is the pure definition of Negative Energy.

Kick the government out first. Then, work on the immigration and deportation issue. Priority, priority!
Written by: danny00, 5 Nov 2013 10:09 AM
From: United States, Old Westbury Long Island
Pictures don't Lie!
Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 10:13 AM
From: United States
I'm confused. Either Haitians were protesting/rallying against themselves, or DT posted the wrong picture.

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 10:29 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Yeah they are ALL Haitian suspects!


Written by: Micaela, 5 Nov 2013 11:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Dominicans had talked, this is our country and we determine what we want. And it is not that Felipe Auffant Najri said that the uncontrolled immigration denies poor Dominicans the benefits of their own country’s economic growth, jobs and salaries, or force them to compete for jobs that the Haitians are willing to work for less, Jaime Aristi (Impacto de la inmigración haitiana sobre el mercado laboral y las finanzas públicas de la RD, 2010) crystal clearly demonstrate that that is the reality.
Written by: ojedamaggiolo80, 5 Nov 2013 11:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I have always said it is not a racial thing! We have millions of black Dominicans like my grandmother from Boca Chica who are Nationals of this country and are recognized as such and no one can take that away from them. It is a matter of illegality! Nothing else! So stop making it a racial issue because for me and for most Dominicans it is not!
Written by: krayziehustler, 5 Nov 2013 11:31 AM
From: United States
Why not make a ruling to kick out all the Spaniards who came before 1929 or after??

Oh wait, that will mean they have to also kick out their white masters. So not going to happen.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 5 Nov 2013 11:41 AM
From: United States
That's funny williom, but it goes to show our concern isn't about color its about our national distinctiveness and as Josie always comments the effect of extraneous labor pushing our labor force into further poverty and dangerous migrations across the Mona and the Mexican dessert.

Instead of allowing all these constant migrant to stay maybe we should help them get to PR and Central America with the bribe money. Think it would be the neighborly thing to do.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 5 Nov 2013 11:54 AM
From: United States
Krazyhustle, we don't subscribe to the one drop rule in racial identity. Just like the majority of our population has African blood , the majority of our population has European blood also. Our Taino blood is concentrated depending on location, with up to 20% in coastal areas and up to 90% of certain interior and mountain towns.

Your people however are 95% purebreds and you already kicked out and massacred your white masters. We see where that has gotten your side of the island.

Anymore thoughtful comments?
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 12:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Dominicanooooooooooooooooooooooooos.....
Carajo !
Written by: ojedamaggiolo80, 5 Nov 2013 12:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Krazyhustler,

I guess you are not informed on the ruling because it clearly states anyone who is born to illegal parents regardless of whether they are Spanish, British, Haitian, from the United States or Canada. However, the ruling affects mostly the children of Haitian illegal immigrants because they are and have been for decades and centuries the ones to mostly come ilegally. Most of the other immigrants would come and regulate their papers so that their children would be considered citizens. There are Haitians who also regulated their status and the children of those Haitians are granted Dominican citizenship. It is a matter of who is legal and who is not. Everyone should start to regulate their status!
Written by: ELPAPA999, 5 Nov 2013 12:34 PM
From: United States, California
@bernies

""""""Also are you aware that more than 60% of the women giving birth in the border towns with Haiti are Haitians women whom crossed the border just to give birth in our public hospital of those area.""""


How is it that a pregnant women who is about to give birth cross the border so easy???

When will we stop blaming the border crossing on pregnant women and place it on the guilty party.....?


Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 12:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Venganza :

Take a look at the headline about David Ortiz tearing it up at the world series.
I was praising our proud black Dominican star for his amazing and yet, not too surprising feat.

The Haitian lovers, (including Josean of course), were trying to turn it into a RACIAL issue.

Think about the logic on that !

I tell ya man, if you were to talk about the weather over DR, somehow Haitians will pop up and yell racism.
Talk about the epitome of low self esteem.
Written by: ELPAPA999, 5 Nov 2013 12:44 PM
From: United States, California
""""No importa lo negro que sea, si es pelotero tiene que ser Dominicano """"
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 12:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
How is it that a pregnant women who is about to give birth cross the border so easy???

When will we stop blaming the border crossing on pregnant women and place it on the guilty party.....?
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It takes two to tango and Haitian lovers will never question the integrity of the so-called "Haitian authorities" .

Is anybody at the Haitian side of the border doing anything at all to keep their citizens in check ?

Please feel free to reply.
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
*Written by:* "ELPAPA999
", 5 Nov 2013 12:44 PM*From:* United States, California""""No importa lo negro que sea, si es pelotero tiene que ser Dominicano """"

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y....?

Parece que por aquí a muchos posters les importa mucho.
Para una muestra sólo basta un botón y aquí hay muchos botones junto a camisas y pantalones !
Written by: CadeJ, 5 Nov 2013 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Altamira
I think the issue here is the meaning of a domicile and a transient. If a Haitian family (for example) moves to the Dominican Republic and lives here full time, they have a domicile whether it is registered with the government or not. If the process of legalization is not transparent or if it is expensive, or if it is otherwise burdensome, a poor uninformed immigrant cannot be expected to comply - but that does not mean they lose constitutional protection. If the government wants to register domiciles, that is a noble goal and they should do it, but they "cannot" act against these domiciled individuals retroactively. "cannot" = If they persist, I expect tourism will be taking a major hit in 2014 - there are already numerous calls for a tourism boycott in the media.
Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 1:12 PM
From: United States

q(( Is anybody at the Haitian side of the border doing anything at all to keep their citizens in check ? ))

No, the Haitian side of the border is NOT doing anything at all to keep their citizens in check. The burden of protecting a border is and will always be on the greener side.

We've been through all this before. It's not "deeply" an issue of race. Fix the deep corruption issue of both governments, and the economies of both sides will be positively and deeply AMELIORATED.

Negative Energy brings out Negative Energy.
Written by: ojedamaggiolo80, 5 Nov 2013 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The soldiers at the border who allow illegal immigrants to cross the border for any reason should and must be subjected to the law! There is no question about that. However if an illegal immigrant crosses the border with his family without any outhorization nor legal status to do so they must know that they are illegal and so will their children born in that soil. We are not the only country in the world with this status nor will we be the last. Until DR is not a so called 1st world nation we cannot grant citizenship to illegal immigrants period!
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 1:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"We've been through all this before. It's not "deeply" an issue of race. Fix the deep corruption issue of both governments, and the economies of both sides will be positively and deeply AMELIORATED".


Precisely!
Written by: USADR, 5 Nov 2013 1:38 PM
From: United States
@ Trinitario809

Crying racism, the incessant attempt at using the race card, is par the course for the professional victocrats. Its meant as an appeal to emotions, not facts or logic.
Written by: lmartinez, 5 Nov 2013 1:50 PM
From: United States, NYC
fuera los malditos haitianos , no se como todavia existen dominicanos como josean que aman a los haitianos que le estan quitando los trabajos a los dominicanos y tambien son parte de el problema de la delincuencia en la republica domincana
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 2:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
*Written by:* "josean
", 5 Nov 2013 1:26 PM*From:* United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"We've been through all this before. It's not "deeply" an issue of race. Fix the deep corruption issue of both governments, and the economies of both sides will be positively and deeply AMELIORATED".


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I can't believe Josie just agreed with that comment !

All you've done is cry out RACISM !
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
USADR:

Es harto que tienen a uno con la misma mierda, mi hermano!

We're fed up ! ó como decimos muchos aquí vulgarmente : "JARRRRTOOO"..!
Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 2:25 PM
From: United States

Trinitario-

-To be fair, I can't take all the credits. I got it from josean, himself.

The so-called Afro-centrists respond to posts accordingly.

q(( Written by: lmartinez, 5 Nov 2013 1:52 PM
From: United States, NYC
they are animals not human beings , stop bieng naive ))

A response:

q(( Written by: juanb, 5 Nov 2013 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This has turned into a forum for racist, homophobic, anti Semitic aholes. ))

q(( Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 2:21 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Tell me about it jb!

Avishai Harel must be rolling in his grave!))

__________________
You see what I mean?
Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 2:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
It was about time we stud up and put a stop to the haitians illegals in our NATION!!!! Let the world know that we Domimicans will not tolerate illegals anymore and will not accept meddles in our internal affairs!!!!! Back to the Haitian kilombo with your caricature!!!! There are many of us who are still willing to defend the constitutional law, our country and nationality!!! JOSEANO
Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Nov 2013 2:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Willion, I will respectfully invite you to read my second post above.
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 2:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"was about time we stud up"


Is that like a 2x4 up your racist rectum!



Written by: ELPAPA999, 5 Nov 2013 2:53 PM
From: United States, California
@lmartinez....

""""""fuera los malditos haitianos , no se como todavia existen dominicanos como josean que aman a los haitianos que le estan quitando los trabajos a los dominicanos y tambien son parte de el problema de la delincuencia en la republica domincana""""


Tu eres un orgullo Dominicano....
Creo que es hora de repetir lo que hiso Trujillo en el Rio Masacre? Que piensas tu de eso?

Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 2:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Trinitario............The haitiano Joseano found out some historical facts that proved with out a doubt that the real racists in La Hispaniola are and always have been the Haitians!!! But to keep on his Hispaniola fusion agenda going, conveniently the issue in now economic. Back to your haitian kilombo you and ofsprings ...,JOSEANO
Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 3:01 PM
From: United States
I did, Trini. And I also read the posts about David Ortiz. It was nothing but "sarcasm on racism".

This whole place has turned into a cesspool of insensitive, racist jerks at the expense of unfortunate human beings who happened to be born in an island governed by all kinds of corrupt crooks.

Nasty pictures were posted in the forums. Threads were started with: Shoot the Haitians on site at the border. Others with, the western side of the island should sink into the bottom of the ocean.

Some posters act like the DR has no black people that look like Haitians... I've been to the DR last year. And all I see was deep racial segregation: The blacker, the poorer.

Hence, sarcasm runs amok. I'm guilty of it too -starting with my first 2 posts above. I've been here long enough to not take most of these posts seriously. The only thing I know is that -the island is doomed if corruption is still "deeply" rampant on both sides.
Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
The race is on, back to the haitian kilombo!!!! "Por ahi viene LA CAMIONA.,...........JOSEANO!!!!!
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 3:08 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


It must be painful to be "stud up!"


Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 3:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"All you've done is cry out RACISM!"


No that is all your xenophobic racist ears have heard!


Racism is a tool; For years I have said it is about the worthless do nothing elites on both sides of the island and they're manipulation of the economies to their own personal benefit i.e. its always about the Economy Stupid!

Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
No Joseano the issue is racist!!! Haitians have hated Dominican because the majority of us have lighter skin. That is why they tried a genocide of DOMINICANS back in 1805. A feat that is written in history tha we will never forget. I am Cibaeno close to Santiago and Moca, it my ancestors they murder without remorse. BACK TO THE WHOLE YOU CALL HAITI YOU AND YOUR OFSPRINGS
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 3:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Google:


Experto afirma en Al Jazeera que renacen la xenofobia y el racismo en la RD


Expert: Al Jazeera reborn xenophobia and racism in the DR


"It's ironic that a State whose citizens are discriminated abroad legalize racially discriminatory measures," says Dr. Barcia


Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
La Camiona is waiting for you and your caricature.,,.........joseano
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Xenophobia and racism back in the Dominican Republic"

By Manuel Bracia

It is ironic that a state whose citizens are discriminated against abroad, legalises racially discriminating measures


Dr Manuel Barcia is Deputy Director at the Institute for Colonial and Postcolonial Studies at the University of Leeds.

Says josean: obviously not an expert like those we have here at DT but unfortunately he willhave to do!
Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:31 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Xenophobia and racism are conditions that people normally associate with white folk.

From the Jim Crow laws in the US to the Apartheid regime in South Africa, we have had one too many examples of how the white man discriminates against and segregates those who are different.

Of course, this is just a result of our subjective view of the world.

The reality is that both xenophobia and racism are hardly the monopoly of the white man.
For some recent examples, we only need to peruse the news from the past two weeks. In South Africa, President Jacob Zuma has been making odd suggestions to South Africans. “Don't be like Africans and think like Africans,” he said in a meeting at Witwatersrand University, implicitly referring, in a pejorative manner, to the rest of the continent.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:34 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

On the other side of the Atlantic, immigrants from all over Central America continue to risk their lives every day trying to get to the promised land of the United States in the train famously known as “The Beast”. On their way north, they have to contend with a wide variety of hazards, including falling into the hands of local authorities and criminals who usually treat them with contempt and violence.

Now the ghost of xenophobia and racism has awakened with renewed vengeance and furious anger, in the island of La Hispaniola, shared by Haitians and Dominicans.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:37 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Fallacy of Dominicans 'in transit'

According to the Dominican Republic (DR) constitution, anyone born in the county is jus solis a Dominican citizen. This right, however, does not apply to those being born while in transit. As it happens, the interpretation of what in transit means, has been at the centre of the recent draconian measures taken by a Dominican court to strip four generations of Dominicans of Haitian descent, of their citizenship.

This is no small matter. We are talking about at least 250,000 Dominican citizens who were born and lived their entire lives in the DR. Many of them are children, and grandchildren of people born and raised in the DR. Many of them only speak Spanish, and with a Dominican accent. Yet, they, somehow, are considered to be foreigners because they have been born in transit.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:39 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Now let's try to unravel this gargantuan act of human absurdity. According to last month's ruling by the Dominican Republic's Constitutional Court, all those born in the country after 1929, and whose parents were not Dominicans, should no longer be considered Dominican citizens.

This decision not only obviously overrules their own Constitution, but also goes against a previous ruling by the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights in the Yean and Bosico v. the Dominican Republic case, which, in October 2005, concluded that their ruling was reached in "a discriminatory fashion".  

On that occasion, the court also concluded that depriving Dominicans of Haitian descent from their right to citizenship, constituted an act of racial discrimination that put the DR in breach of Articles 1, 21, and 27 of the American Convention of Human Rights.

This ruling was nonsense to the Dominican Constitutional Court.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


They rejected the findings of the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, setting the precedent for the new measures passed in September.

Obviously, for this court, those of Haitian descent do not have the right to be considered Dominicans.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Deep-rooted problem

Discrimination against the Haitians and their descendants in the DR is nothing new and starts from early childhood.

A recent study carried out by the TV show “Con el consumidor”, concluded that Dominican children  of between 4 and 13 years of age were more likely to associate evil, ugliness, and poverty with black rather than white people. 

According to most experts on the issue of race in the DR, there is an anti-black attitude  that has permeated Dominican society over the years.

This anti-black attitude equates with the anti-Haitian aversion.

Obviously, there is a background for this resentment explained through the common history of both nations and peoples.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Toussaint L'Ouverture and Jean-Jacques Dessalines first invaded then Spanish Santo Domingo at the height of the Haitian Revolution. Haitian President Jean Pierre Boyer then occupied the territory between 1822 and 1844. In 1844, the Dominicans first achieved their independence from Haiti. Ever since, mutual relations have been tense to say the least.

Haitians and Dominicans suffered similar maladies during the 20th century: US interventions and occupations, gory dictatorships, mass migrations, etc. Yet, somehow, this common suffering did little to bring the two people together, and it certainly didn't endear Haitians to the Dominicans.

Continued:

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:51 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

It is actually quite telling that it is on this Caribbean island that the issue of racism and xenophobia has been rekindled.

Old resentments have taken new shape, this time in the form of new laws handed out by intrinsically racist institutions.

Even though the majority of the Dominican people are racially mixed, it is the blacks, the descendant of Haitians, who are being targeted by this irresponsible law.

No wonder the government of Haiti has responded by recalling their ambassador to Santo Domingo and by issuing a series of statements condemning and lamenting the new decrees.

It has also led to the development of a massive PR campaign by the Dominican government in an attempt to justify and disguise the seriousness of their new xenophobic and racist measures.

Continued:
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Time to correct course?

For more than a century, Haitians have constituted the most substantially underpaid labour force in the DR.

They have toiled on sugar plantations, done the most basic works in the tourist sector, and until today, many do so without any basic rights.

Many have lived their entire lives in their Spanish-speaking neighbouring nation, and their children and grandchildren have been born there and have grown up there.  

How can this new foolish, racist, and xenophobic law then be justified?

Dominican nationalists, starting with the Constitutional Court that rendered this ill-advised decision, should take a long look at themselves.

Dominicans are one of the major producers of immigrants from Latin America to the US, Europe and even other Latin American countries.

In these places, they are often subjected to attitudes that are surprisingly similar to those they are exhibiting today against the Haitians, and their descendants, in their homeland.
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 4:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

And even if they have attained legal status as immigrants, they are often employed to do the worst jobs available, frequently being underpaid and without many rights.

Perhaps the passing of this new law is nothing but a way of settling old scores.

Perhaps the Dominican Constitutional Court, in their ignorance and backwardness, has attempted to rewrite the nation's citizenship rules so that the dark-skinned descendants of those who came over the border in years past, understand once and for all that they are second-class, undesired neighbours, regardless of where they - and their parents and grandparents - were born.

Maybe the Constitutional Court and the President of the Dominican Senate, Reinaldo Pared Perez, one of its most committed defenders, will open their eyes and realise how the rest of the world is looking at them.

Because if there's one thing that is clear, it's that as many excuses as they may present to justify their immoral decision, they are fooling no one
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 5:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Hopefully they will realise their error and repeal the law and apologise to all those rightful Dominican citizens who have just been cast away with one signature.

However, more than that is needed.

Dominican authorities need to start addressing the actual xenophobic, racist, and nationalist ideas that have led to this gigantic blunder.

Those 250,000 Dominican citizens of Haitian descent are going nowhere and the Dominicans who are fixated with these anti-Haitian and anti-black ideas better find a way of accepting that reality.

Otherwise they will come across as not only xenophobic and racist, but also as unwitting lunatics. 

Says josean, Dr. Barcia most be reading the posters he at DT when he wrote that last sentence in his article.

Written by: Brien, 5 Nov 2013 5:24 PM
From: United States
@Josean, thanks for the posts. Well worth the read!
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 5:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Your welcome, sir!

I try to improve my copy and pasting skills everyday as it is only thing my pea brain can handle!

Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 5:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Joseano how typical of you, totally biased like a one way street. The proven historical facts, shows us Dominicans, that the Haitians are the true racist in La Espanola!!!! Right after the massacre of Moca and Santiago in 1805, on the hands of Haitian Cristophe the butcher and the Haitian combo. Back to your kilombo with your comrads. Dominicana is for Dominicans. All illegals say pelejil!!!!!!! Corre piti que ahi viene LA CAMIONA!!!!
Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 5:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
We will accept no foreign peddling with our constitutional ruling. The courts decition is..........,,,,,,... IRREBOCABILE!!!!!!!
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 5:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


rokete,

I know you came without a brain but did your computer come with the spell check feature missing as well?

Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 5:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Your dream of fusion of La Hispaniola is falling on deaf ears. You may get world approval but without the Dominican consent its going no where fast. That is exactly where its going no where,..

The only thing going fast is your favorite CAMIONA with your Haitian and their decendants!!!!
Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 6:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
JOSEANO........... I am writing from my cell to keep you at bay. The screen is small and my fingers big. Mind you. Nevertheless, I am glad you understood me. Back to the kilombo you and your racist Hatians......piti...!!!!!
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 6:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The only Fusion that exist is between the ruling Corrupt elites on both sides of the island that make it into a hell for both Haitians and Dominicans.........And due to the policies of their criminal rulers a significant number of both nationalities have to become economic exiles throughout the world!


Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 6:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
The constitutional law is the rule of law........Joseano Besides it is also.........IRREVOCABLE!!!!!!!!! How do you like that. Ops got to go Josi, la camiona is waiting, you see, I am the new driver!!!! There are 50 piti going to the border. Jeje.
Written by: ELPAPA999, 5 Nov 2013 6:32 PM
From: United States, California
@rokete,

JAJAJJAJAJA... That's so funny you socha an idiot....
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 6:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

No here is something to really laugh about:

".. I am writing from my cell to keep you at bay"

rokete

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josean

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You going to use a lot of cell phones and wear out your little fingers to try to keep me at bay, Punk!

Written by: CadeJ, 5 Nov 2013 8:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Altamira
You can be nationalist or racist or egalitarian about this, but the practical bottom line is that if the tourists stop coming the government will have to reverse this ruling. A boycott is slow to build steam but it can also damage the economy for YEARS. Tourism is the largest single source of revenue for the country, according to Wikipedia, at over 2 billion $US annually.
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 9:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

CadeJ,

......additionally this bad press causes a general economic instability that will scare international lenders away from providing capital for both public and private ventures.

Remember Bankers are the most easily spooked (No Pun intended) of the business sector, especially in the current state of the world economy.


Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 9:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Look at this Video as great Tourist Promotion:

youtube.com/watch?v=W8QdnTU8kDY&feature=player_embedded

Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 9:20 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Now who "Looks" more Haitian, Joseito Mateo, Johnny Ventura, David Ortiz or this young man:

youtube.com/watch?v=0d804BnUXOQ&feature=player_embedded



Written by: williom, 5 Nov 2013 9:32 PM
From: United States

I was in the DR during the last presidential campaign. PLD and PRD played El Teke Teke and Danza Kuduro nonstop. Nothing but a big party as usual. It is not about understanding the issue at hand. Just bring out some loudspeakers, and play some hot catchy tunes.

Oh yeah! I'm jealous. I wanna party too.
Written by: antonioj, 5 Nov 2013 10:01 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@Jose great post, by the way the 2 judges that voted against the passing of the denationalization law really save DR face throughout the world.
Very well written article, it should be an eye opener for all of

us, a society that show little respect for his own citizens and neighbors is bound to self destruct, typical example is next door Haiti from the richest to the poorest, south Korea from the poorest to the richest
Written by: rokete, 5 Nov 2013 10:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Sure, sure , all tourism, loans, and capital investment going to the kilombo??? That is a major laugh!!!! Ask Barrick Gold, when are they leaving, tell me about it. I want to be the first to wave them good bye......JajaJaja
Written by: airgordo, 6 Nov 2013 11:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: antonioj
From: Canada
@Jose great post, by the way the 2 judges that voted against the passing of the denationalization law really save DR face throughout the world.
Very well written article, it should be an eye opener for all of

us, a society that show little respect for his own citizens and neighbors is bound to self destruct, typical example is next door Haiti from the richest to the poorest, south Korea from the poorest to the richest
##

ONE of those two woman you are here VENERATING, actually Introduced a Project to had a STRONG CENSORSHIP against all Media based on "respect to te reputation", so that goes that so called "respect"...please READ then post where people that know one thing or two actually participate...

By the way, i fully agree with you on the RESPECT to the Neighbor, we have received all kinds of sh!t from the West , including a "very nice" relationship for 22 years, why don't you include that on the practice of a good neighbor?
Written by: airgordo, 6 Nov 2013 11:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: CadeJ, 5 Nov 2013 8:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Altamira
You can be nationalist or racist or egalitarian about this, but the practical bottom line is that if the tourists stop coming the government will have to reverse this ruling. A boycott is slow to build steam but it can also damage the economy for YEARS. Tourism is the largest single source of revenue for the country, according to Wikipedia, at over 2 billion $US annually.
##

Guess what, the Government CAN'T reverse the ruling PRECISELY because is a RULING and not a LAW, it came from a COURT, we have a SEPARATE BRANCH of the judiciary, i hope that is CLEAR enough to UNDERSTAND.
Written by: airgordo, 6 Nov 2013 11:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: josean, 5 Nov 2013 6:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The only Fusion that exist is between the ruling Corrupt elites on both sides of the island that make it into a hell for both Haitians and Dominicans.........And due to the policies of their criminal rulers a significant number of both nationalities have to become economic exiles throughout the world!
##

THanks God for that! if it was by your people and yourself the DR would have Dissapeared on the ashes of History on 1822...but you underestimate the Dominican cojones big time...
Written by: lmartinez, 6 Nov 2013 12:09 PM
From: United States, NYC
fueeeera los maiditos haitianos , ellos son el problema numero uno en dr segundo los malditos politicos , y tercero los dominicanos como josean , es necesario hacer una deportacion masiva de haitianos , mi mfamilia tiene mas de cinco generaciones en la republica dominicana y creo que tengo el derecho de sentirme de esta manera contra los haitianos ( los odio a todos , son malditos , y estan undiendo mi pais . a mi familia la an herido varias veces y robado , son malos agradecidos y animales , piencen aveer por que la republica dominicana siempre se ve tan cultida en los barios ( motivo los haitianos tienen el mismo sistema en dr que tienen en haiti sucios y sin modales son animales de dos piernas fueeera de mi patria .
Written by: lmartinez, 6 Nov 2013 12:13 PM
From: United States, NYC





fuera los haitianos de mi tierra
Written by: the_haitian, 6 Nov 2013 12:16 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
Hmmmm i wonder how much those pple are getting paid in that picture.
Written by: josean, 6 Nov 2013 12:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

josean’s Free Hate Speech translation Service


Writes lmartinez,

“Outttttttttt the dam Haitian, they are the number one problem in DR second the dam politicians and third the Dominicans like josean, it is necessary to do a mass deportation of Haitians, my family has more than five generations in the Dominican Republic and I think I have the right to feel this way against Haitians (I hate them all, they are cursed , and are sinking my country. my family has been wounded several times and robbed, they are bad ungrateful and animals, think and see why the Dominican Republic always looks so dirty in the barrios (reason Haitians have the same system in DR which they have in Haiti dirty and no manners are two legs animals Outttttttttt of my native land.”

Written by: ELPAPA999, 6 Nov 2013 12:32 PM
From: United States, California
@@@lmartinez,


"""""( motivo los haitianos tienen el mismo sistema en dr que tienen en haiti sucios y sin modales son animales de dos piernas fueeera de mi patria."""""

Que raro un Americo racista me dijo lo mismo de Dominicanos en NY. Quisas es pura coincidencia.

Si tu eres tan patriota, que haces en NY?

Written by: ELPAPA999, 6 Nov 2013 2:37 PM
From: United States, California
@@lmartinez,

Te hice dos preguntas, pero me doi cuenta que tienes cojones para responder. Tu eres un PUSSY...
Written by: josean, 6 Nov 2013 2:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Fascinating legal opinion on the Fate of the Ill-conceived Ruling

Google

"La 168 correrá la misma suerte que la doctrina Parot"

The 168 will run the same fate as the Parot doctrine

Written by: antonioj, 6 Nov 2013 2:54 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Diablo papa suave mi herma, supongo qué su cojones estan por allí en el cajón o sino afuera..... la camioneta lo esta esperando
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