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Santo Domingo.– Venezuela president Nicolas Maduro said that he mediated for more than a month so that the Dominican Republic and Haiti could agree to restart the bilateral talks after the recent Constitutional Court ruling that outlines the conditions for citizenship in the Dominican Republic.

“We are unconditional brothers with the Haitian people and whoever messes with the people of Haiti messes with the people of Venezuela,” Maduro pointed out during an interview with Venezuelan newspaper Ultimas Noticias.

Maduro said that Venezuela would appoint a special envoy who qualifies to “truly” help in the mediation in the Dominican-Haitian conflict, so that “the Haitian people are guaranteed their fundamental rights.”

The Haitians “are our older brothers, they are our dear brothers, and fortunately the Dominican Republic has shown wisdom and has established a time-line starting now.”



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Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 10:56 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Oh oo start hording fuel or by burros Ultra NAZIonalists!


Written by: El_Platano, 30 Dec 2013 11:12 AM
From: United States, Yonkers, NY
Oooh I'm so scared.......................
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 11:17 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


.......That's because your in New York!


Written by: generoso, 30 Dec 2013 11:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Whoever messes with the DR, messes with ten million resolute Dominicans, ready and able to defend their nationality, that demands RESPECT!
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 11:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Seems to me that it's high time to make amends with Mexico and revive the San José agreement. I have confidence that this time would be better, cuz' unlike the Philistine called Leonel, Danilo is known to be buena paga.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 11:31 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


A leader with an economy facing 50% inflación, severe macroeconomic instability and gasolina prices less than 20 cents per gallon, Bloomberg news had it at 6 cents per gallon, that are said to be increased in the new year, has more pressing items on his agenda.

Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 11:32 AM
From: United States
says josean


.......That's because your in New York!

yes, where he can get free home heating oil from Citgo...
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 11:35 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Lautaro,

And now that México opened up its petro sector to outsiders, their output should really pick up. Still this could create a short term problem for Medina.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 11:36 AM
From: United States
i hope this guy is just sounding off for effect, and nothing comes of this. the last thing we need if for a suspension of Petrocaribe, and calling in the debt. then the peso will hit 55 to the dollar in record time.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 11:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I have heard from unofficial sources that this country has been giving them US$10 million regularly in the last few months, dread, so if that is true, then I don't think he would be as crazy as to endanger the agreement, given the economic problems his admin is facing currently.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 30 Dec 2013 11:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
He's such a great mediator, don't you guy think so? SMH!
Written by: JHCL2016, 30 Dec 2013 11:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!

Time to pull out of PetroCaribe; I believe the DR already has a backup plan. This will also "force" us to make better use of what we can get and/or drive us to become better at energy independence (recycling, solar, wind, bio, ...).

(';*)
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 11:52 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Our internal and external debt is reaching close to 50% of GDP........not a good time to be making economic enemies; especially if they could call in the Pero Caribe payments as Dr. Dread mentions, a debt which this morning was reported on Z 101.3's "Gobierno de La Mañana" at around 3 billion US dollars!

Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"Our internal and external debt is reaching close to 50% of GDP........not a good time to be making economic enemies; especially if they could call in the Pero Caribe payments as Dr. Dread mentions, a debt which this morning was reported on Z 101.3's "Gobierno de La Mañana" at around 3 billion US dollars!"

That future payment will not be served if Haiti's population problems are transferred to the DR either, so a mid-point solution must be reached: the people that had documents (and were born from bateyero parents) must be given automatic amnesty (up to the year 2003). Now, the group that I call "los haitianos de Leonel" (2004-2012) must be deported, not ifs or buts about it.
Written by: bernies, 30 Dec 2013 12:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
The best thing that can happen to this country is that we stop buying fuel on credit from Venezuela which in terms only hurts the finance of this country by creating this huge debt. Venezuela is no condition of losing any country such as our that buys must of our preto from them. We need to business with countries that wants to do business with us and not with those ones that wants to put pressure on us. For that matters we should buy oil even from Iran if we have to. Bolivia, Ecuador and Colombia are just waiting for clients to buy their oil and so is Mexico which is the No. 1 investor in this country. Maduro went way over his head. We should destroy the Plaza Simon Bolivar to send Maduro a message. Let Maduro do business with Haiti to see how is he going to collect payment. Yeah we will suffer for 6 months to a year but we will get back on our feeds after if Maduro call off the deal.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 12:10 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--



Again, a deal will be done.

But the main point that has the international cabal upset is that A Line Has Been Established. Whatever the cut off year, henceforth the door tightens. So the Hispaniola Solución becomes more difficult to manage. The Cabal have plans to "solve" the Haitian Question within the island of Hispaniola and DR's pointed defense of not giving in has made that strategy a no go if DR withstands the pressures being exerted against it by many sources. Remember that when all the neighboring nations of the Caribbean Basin, save one Jamaica with a token 600, refused to set up refugee camps in their territories, the Cabal was left with a big problem: how do we manage this Haitian Question?

And with population pressure sure to keep growing in Haití-Haiti's pop. will be greater than Cuba's in 5 years time, DR would be in a Sound Legal and thus Stronger Defensive and Offensive position to defend themselves internationally.



Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 12:22 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
I hope this guy is just sounding off for effect
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With Caricom and the Int'l community on his side he is dead serious.
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 12:25 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Ooh I'm so scared
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Are you sure your economy can withstand paying for oil at full market value upfront at current rate ?
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 12:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"Are you sure your economy can withstand paying for oil at full market value upfront at current rate ?"

For the consumers it wouldn't make any difference, since we have been paying the price of gas as if the country wouldn't have had the agreement. For the gov, however, things would get difficult, since the prices of gas are its main source of income.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 12:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
As for the naysayers, I leave you this pearl from Arturo Martinez Moya:

Como sucede cada vez que hay diferencia entre los dos países, la élite que gobierna Haití obtendrá ganancias particulares de la sentencia, ahora quieren crear escasez artificial para aumentar los precios de los productos dominicanos que llegan a su territorio. Dicen que somos sus verdugos porque exportamos 95% del intercambio total que totalizó US$1,200 millones en el 2012, lo que es cierto, pero también lo es que del oeste recibimos inmigrantes indocumentados de los estratos más humildes, que trabajan aquí y remiten dólares a sus familiares por un valor que supera el déficit comercial bilateral, haciendo negativa la balanza de pagos bilateral para los dominicanos (ver Banco Mundial, “Haití y República Dominicana, 2012”). (cont...)
Written by: generoso, 30 Dec 2013 12:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
All of these political "feel good" statements, are just part of the posturing, intended to acquire political capital for Maduro.
The DR has been solid political support, and a good economic ally, to Venezuela's Chavez and it continues with Maduro. The DR and Venezuela are equal partners in our only oil refinery, and there are other important projects in the drawing board.
Most expert observers really don't see in the near future, any change in the economic allegiances between the DR and Venezuela, caused by external factors.
The DR has made efforts to increase agricultural production, to meet Venezuelan tastes, and has also made good on payments due, for the Petro-Caribe loans, which is much more that can be said about other countries, who are also benefitting from the accord.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 12:30 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

To trigger an economic downturn would only makes things worse for all, including the lowest paid workers. How can that be helpful?

Cooler heads will pravail one hopes.

Again, nations have interests, not friends.


Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 12:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"Políticos y empresarios de Haití, que son inmensamente ricos, con la sentencia lo serán mucho más, mientras los pobres pagarán el costo, esa y no otra ha sido la historia. Basta revisar el ingreso per cápita del haitiano, similar al del dominicano en 1960, mientras el nuestro aumentó cuatro veces cincuenta y tres años después, el del haitiano retrocede, ahora es dos veces más pobre, su economía apenas creció 1% y la población se expandió a una mayor tasa."

Source: hoy.com.do/la-elite-politica-de-haiti-y-la-resolucion/autor/hoy/

In other words, the so call trade the superavit that this country has with Haiti is more than offset by the migratory flows from that country, which usually drain cash from this economy by the remittances the inmigrants send to the other side of the island. ¿Cómo les quedó el ojo, Pilarin?

Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 12:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"The DR has made efforts to increase agricultural production, to meet Venezuelan tastes, and has also made good on payments due, for the Petro-Caribe loans, which is much more that can be said about other countries, who are also benefitting from the accord."

Specially the apple of discord (Haiti), which has been receiving the benefits of the agreement gratis. One of the reasons the opposition want to do away with the agreement is the onerous charge the Haitian part represents on the Hispaniolan equation of this agreement.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 12:36 PM
From: United States
says bernies


The best thing that can happen to this country is that we stop buying fuel on credit from Venezuela which in terms only hurts the finance of this country by creating this huge debt

you can pay cash, and have no debt, or you can pay on credit. the problem with paying cash is that you have to pay in dollars, right away, on net terms. that means that when payday comes, you have to buy dollars for the payment. if there is a local scarcity of dollars, that drives up the price. that is the reason why the peso was 55;1 under Hippo, then, when the peso hits those numbers, you have no foreign currency left to intervene, in order to stabilize the local currency. so, bernies, maybe shooting off your mouth is not the answer.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 12:39 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Joseanus will have a heart attack.

Look jamaica has a huge trade imbalance with T&B, so What's the big deal?

The elite in Haití always sheming and skinning what's left on the corpse of the Haitian nation.

Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 12:40 PM
From: United States
"Viva Maduro"!!!

A true "Champion".

L¤¤K.
Written by: generoso, 30 Dec 2013 12:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Lautaro
It is all in the world bank report and some other stats in the international health bulletins, that have been published with lot's of facts and figures.
Many in DR have pointed out the exit of important amounts of hard currency, that is sent to haiti, mostly unofficially, because of the artisan ways of those that send them with friends and visitors.
This transfer of hard currency to Haiti, has an inflationary effect in the DR, raising the cost of peso-dollar exchange, and in turn raising the cost of basic food items and cost of living.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 12:40 PM
From: United States
says JHCL

Time to pull out of PetroCaribe; I believe the DR already has a backup plan. This will also "force" us to make better use of what we can get and/or drive us to become better at energy independence (recycling, solar, wind, bio, ...).

since you are one of the paid government shills here, care to tell us what the backup plan is?
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 12:43 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

Look jamaica has a huge trade imbalance with T&B, so What's the big deal?

actually, that would be TandT.

trade imbalances are not devastating to any economy. the DR has a deficit with the USA, and a surplus with Haiti. the US has a deficit with Japan and China, and a surplus with places like the DR. the composite portfolio is what is important.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 12:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
General,

That also is one of the reasons explaining why some of these mofos are against the regularization plan: with a cedula number, be it as foreigner or native, a person is subject to direct taxation by the DGII, so imagine what would happen with the majority of the people currently being illegal here. That would go a long way in filling the state's coffers, don't you think?
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 12:53 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@dr lautaro
That future payment will not be served if Haiti's population problems are transferred to the DR either, so a mid-point solution must be reached: the people that had documents (and were born from bateyero parents) must be given automatic amnesty (up to the year 2003). Now, the group that I call "los haitianos de Leonel" (2004-2012) must be deported, not ifs or buts about it."

Your diagnostics are always dead on, I have a feeling will most likely end up with a compromise as you have enunciated above. Do not kid ourselves if petrol caribe was to be withdrawn only in the Dominican republic it will hurts, ironically Haiti too.

DR should insist on any negotiated bilateral agreements the need for population control
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 1:00 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: dreadlocks,

says Atabey

Look jamaica has a huge trade imbalance with T&T, so What's the big deal?"



trade imbalances are not devastating to any economy. the DR has a deficit with the USA, and a surplus with Haiti. the US has a deficit with Japan and China, and a surplus with places like the DR. the composite portfolio is what is important."


You make my point.


And with the data surrounding the flows of capital on the island, the so-called huge windfall to DR is clearer to all. Put those glasses on Joseanus!


Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 1:01 PM
From: United States
"Integration, Cooperation and Fairness"..



L¤¤K.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 1:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I'm always up for negotiated settlements, antonio, provided both sides get to understand that this isn't a zero sum, winner takes all, game.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 1:09 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Lautaro,

The question then moves on to determining: How many illegals have moved into DR during "X" period of time?

A census would appear far better than a survey to achieve this determination.


If DR has to make a compromise, it needs to ABSOLUTELY address this movement within the island. I've read that all births in hospitals to foreign women are being recorded and would think this will serve as a basis for determining citizenship status. After the earthquake, it's understandable that Haiti did not have enough facilities to handle the vast numbers of births, so the DR has helped out with thousands of operations since. The repatriation of those illegal in the country and having obtained false cedulas and identification papers to Haiti should be a pre-condition to any deal making.

Respecting the borders for commercial and human needs, ON BOTH SIDES, will ensure future peaceful co-existence on the island of Hispaniola.


Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 1:12 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Which is seen as threat and a source of instability in the region , for a country of the size of Haiti the ideal population should not be more and less than 5 millions. I found it very, very irresponsible from the Haitian people and the Haitian government that are not being held accountable for creating misery by not taking any action to curb the numerous birth of children in proverty.

A mother without a job and husband have no business of having 8 children. God help us all if the trend continue.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 1:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I'm usually not an advocate of extreme abortion, antonio, but I feel that in the case of this island, it would certainly go a long way in making it a liveable place. The religious nuts, both Catholic and Protestant, always lose sight of the fact that Hispaniola is the most overpopulated island in the Caribbean. Imagine the paradise this would be if the total population islandwide was to be between 6 to 8 million persons.
Written by: Trinitario809, 30 Dec 2013 1:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
This is from the guy that communicates with the defunct Chavez....through a tweeting little bird.
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 1:28 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@doc Lautaro

It has worked in Puerto Rico, we should borrow a page from their book, last time i check they are of Catholic faith. Their population have been stable around 3millions, since that undertaking.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Maduro's words are wind and smoke.

It is simply a confabulation between him and Martelly,

to distract their own people from their current dire economic situation,

in their respective countries, that are both on the brinks of civil unrest.

Petrocaribe dissolution is not in the best interest of Venezuela.


Nevertheless, we better get prepared now for the worst,

we should start by becoming very friendly with the Mexican government.

If the push comes to a shove, it is better :

Living with depression.
( Having economic difficulty, but surviving, like Cuba. )

Than Dieing with a surplus.
(Disappearing as a rich nation, like the ancient Etruscan, or by cultural assimilation.)

Therefore Dominicans should stick to the TC rule against all odds.

There won't be citizenship for any Haitians ( illegals offspring), including the brazeros.

We have to follow the TC rule in order to survive as a nation, period.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 1:34 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 1:28 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back


@doc Lautaro

It has worked in Puerto Rico, we should borrow a page from their book, last time i check they are of Catholic faith. Their population have been stable around 3millions, since that undertaking."




Big difference was that in PR a massive population shift happened to the mainland of the USA after WWII. This huge movement plus Operation Bootstrap helped PR industrialize and grow richer.

But massive transfer payments, WIC, and the rest have greatly supported the PR State since then.

Now all that isn't enough as PR's Bonds are considered Junk-Bond Status. The debt per capita is enormous, something like 19-20,000 !

During the last 10 years, an economic depression has occurred in PR. Something like 300,000 people or more have abandoned the island for the mainland. Check out Orlando in Florida.



Written by: BASTA, 30 Dec 2013 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
energy independence (recycling, solar, wind, bio, ...).== What is needed are more COAL plants; 6 or 12.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 1:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Antonio,

They have succeeded because their US overlord truly stands for religious freedom, so they don't allow the sacramental robes to interfere in their cabinet decisions. This island have yet to free itself from the Concordat tyranny.
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 1:40 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@DR lautaro
Google Forced Sterilization in Puerto Rico, you stand correct the great one.

October 23rd, 2008 by mjromano Leave a reply »
Population control has been a driving force in US policy for well over a century, as I described in my previous post. One of the more egregious examples of population control is the history of forced sterilization in Puerto Rico. Spain ceded the island of Puerto Rico to the United States in 1898, putting Puerto Rico under tight US control as a territory. Puerto Rico did not gain the right to democratically elect its own governor until 1947, and since then has made strides towards greater autonomy from the US.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 1:43 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, i remember the same religious foolishness holding back the development of Jamaica for decades. the country wanted to implement casino gambling for the longest while, but the dumb leaders listened to the wishes of the church, and lost tremendous amounts of revenue because every time the house voted yes, they would then turn around and back down, because of the church, the biggest casino of all.

i really wonder how the next few years are going to play out in the DR, in light of the inequality and poverty in this country. the current Pope is extremely anti- injustice, and anti unequal distribution of wealth. this is going to be very interesting to watch.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 1:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Dr. dread, could you imagine Cuba having the same lack of demographic control this island has? The island would stand at 25 million, at a conservative estimate. A populous country like that would have toppled the Castros and the Apparatchik a long time ago. The regime works because it carefully plans the population (or rather, the abortions) it will dole out every year, among other things.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 2:01 PM
From: United States
absolutely correct, Mr Lautaro. there is no possible way it would have such a small population without mandatory controls. that is made possible because they have put the church in a position of no meddling with the state!
Written by: Arcangel96, 30 Dec 2013 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I wonder if President Maduros statement has more to do with recent critics from The World Bank's special envoy to Haiti, about the transparency of Petro-Caribe deal with Haiti, than the current Dominican-Haiti issues. Starting in 2014, Haiti will begin to repay principal on the debt.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 2:04 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Cuba has a problem Lautaro, it's grown old before it's grown rich! there is actually a depopulation trend in Cuba as we speak with the population actually going down! Some 30,000 Cubans leaving the island and the number of births far under the 2.25% threshold.


It's true that holding pop. growth has served the Castro Brother in controlling the population at large. But falling population with the demographic challenges this imposes given the poverty and low productivity on the island currently is no easy task to wriggle out of. Thus the enormous push by Raulito to get the USA to open up the Embargo. That massive investment in the Port of Mariel isn't going to generate the golden eggs unless the Embargo is lifted.


Written by: airgordo, 30 Dec 2013 2:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If that's how it will be SO BE IT, i WILL GO to the extreme, I'm WILLING to pay the price it takes to KEEP this country as it is, I WILL RATHER F@CKING WALK to the moon or ride a donkey than BOW, the F@CKING petro caribe has NO resources to PAY for the DIGNITY of this country PAID IN BLOOD, i'm sure if you put the dominican people on a choice like this clown has done the vast majority will choose DIGNITY over petro caribe.

NOT even the US was able to break this country with 42,000 marines, this clown will bot succeed on that...and BEWARE that the people of this country do not face harsh because of the Haitians, there will be something you have never seen and very difficult to control.
Written by: airgordo, 30 Dec 2013 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: Arcangel96, 30 Dec 2013 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I wonder if President Maduros statement has more to do with recent critics from The World Bank's special envoy to Haiti, about the transparency of Petro-Caribe deal with Haiti, than the current Dominican-Haiti issues. Starting in 2014, Haiti will begin to repay principal on the debt.
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UNFORTUNATELY NOT, this clown did not learn a thing from Chavez....he was asked a VERY specific question, the original interview is on Diario Libre
Written by: Belly, 30 Dec 2013 2:14 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Lautaro

Mi hermano 6-8 million island wide is way too conservative. I think in real life the ideal max is DR 15 million and Haiti 6-9 millions. There is still a lot of empty land and undeveloped land in the island. Of course a better economic model is needed suitable for each country.
Written by: Arcangel96, 30 Dec 2013 2:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@airgordo,

Thanks.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 2:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"That massive investment in the Port of Mariel isn't going to generate the golden eggs unless the Embargo is lifted. "

Yeah, but they actually have an educated population, so their hurdle is similar to the one of Germany and Japan after WWII. With this island, however, 75% remains in a maroon lifestyle, plus the effort becomes harder, specially since the intl. bodies in this story wants an Hispaniolan solution done with only DR pesos, and them not opening the purse. The height of unrealistic thinking right then and there.
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 2:22 PM
From: United States
well put, Belly. the entire caribbean has to rethink their economic model. i was in La Sirena yesterday, and you can get every variety of apple there. there was a guy unloading a pallet of american pears, and who knows what else. meanwhile, farmers are struggling, because 40% of agricultural produce in this country goes to waste. so, we are blowing foreign exchange out the door to buy products that people here have never heard of. what in God's green earth is that? look at the store shelves next time you are in a place like Nacional, and tell me why there are so many products there which are manufactured in countries that buy nothing from us. why are we buying all those exquisite chocolates from Europe, when they can't even grow a cocoa pod?
Written by: Yucahu, 30 Dec 2013 2:25 PM
From: United States, Miami
Josean, is a happy Haitian now. He has been dying for his country to finally win a war against DR. But notice you sore loser Haitian, you had to recruit half of the planet to TRY to beat us and we still got one hand behind our back. Josean, you Haitians ain't never gonna win, cuz we Dominicans always beat your bomboclot.
So think about this if Dominicans do endure all these hardships you so happily clap up and down like the little sad monkey you are who do you think is going to be the most affected?
This won't mean that Haiti will become the new paradise.
Nope you fools will just fall deeper in the whole.
Not gonna happen Joe, u hoe
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 30 Dec 2013 2:28 PM
From: Jamaica
Lots of people saying that the DR should find another supplier. Maybe Trinidad & Tobago! Give them more of your business. You already buy more than US $ 1 billion from them annually in natural gas products and pitch for asphalt batching (road construction). But wait, their Prime Minister and Caricom heavyweight condemns the DR's court ruling, also.

Now, you are contemplating buying petrol from Mexico???? On credit??? Maybe trade beans??? Please!!! When the DR starts feeling the pressure of perception, they will reverse the court ruling. Any bets?

Perception in the world view is a very powerful thing. It can make or break a tourist industry. People have told me that they will not spend a dollar in the DR following the court ruling. They do not want to contribute to a country that they have concluded is 'unrighteous'. You may be able to run away from Venezuela, Caricom, etc but are you capable and willing to run away from the millions of individuals, you call tourists.
Written by: airgordo, 30 Dec 2013 2:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You Just DON'T GET IT, do you? you still think you can break this country with economics? FOOL...you are ignoring HISTORY...if Dominicans have it bad because of ANYTHING related to this subject, the haitians will be first ones to PAY for that, and i'm not talking of violence or killing, they will be FORCED to go back to eat mud due to lack or WORK.


By the way we ALREADY had a beef with venezuela from 2000 to 2004, guess what?
Written by: Belly, 30 Dec 2013 2:39 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dread

The whole Caribbean has to rethink the economic model and Caricom members must think twice before shooting themselves in the foot for short-term political gain by taking shots at DR now. Most of these small island have to stop and 6think about how small their population are and to the extent of how much they can grow in the future. In the whole Caribbean the only 2 with big potential in mid/long term are Cuba and DR by improving economic situation plus space for bigger population. Haiti won't be ready for a long time and population expansion is not likely to be a good thing for Haiti.
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 2:41 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Many in DR have pointed out to the amount of hard currency that is send to Haiti.
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Next time you are in P-au-P please do report on the amount of DR Pesos you see being exchange on the black market, better yet once away form the border report back on your luck exchanging your pesos for Haitian gourdes. Repeating a lie does not make it true. Next time you run into a Batey worker ask him when was the last time he was able to change is tokens at the Batey store in exchange for money to send back home. Hell next time you run into an illegal Haitian on a construction site ask him about his exuberant pay. In other word " What you talking about Willis "
Written by: DaveB, 30 Dec 2013 2:42 PM
From: United States
Which fundamental rights in the DR is this wanna be socialist dictator talking about, when he refers to Haitians? If this boy is talking about the fundamental rights of citizens of the sovereign country, shouldn't this boy refer to them as Dominicans?
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 2:43 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Lautaro,

Yes, about the educated population. Although the quality has been going down for some time. When I visited the island, the talk was that with so many teachers drawn away for international assignments, the quality of the staffing had suffered greatly. Just like the Hospitals and other sectors. The more qualified looked to escape the scarcity and other impediments on the island by going aboard.

Cuba is in a very difficult place with the saving grace that Venezuela is still under the control of the Chavistas, but that's a very tenuous position to be in, and they know it.

Plus there are many nations in the area that want that port business, even Jamaica is making a play for it. So Cuba has a lot of competition moving forward. Only a diplomatic breakthrough with the USA will make the port of Mariel viable.

Cuba's population may actually drop below 11 million in the next few years!

Haiti and eventually DR will have more people than Cuba!

Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 2:44 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

25-30 million people on the island of Hispaniola is NOT outside the range of possibility. The demand such a huge population will place on available resources will be very great. And the push factors will not abate from the western parts of the island.


But again, the Momentous change is the closing of the border as a solution to the great population pressures from the west. This will generate a great deal of consternation on the part of the NGOs and outside interests as it will close off that avenue to re-balance Haiti's position.

DR will have to make a deal, but if it plays its cards right, the onus will shift overnight to the West, where the crux of the matter has always been. And where the set of problems is indeed a great unknown in search of a solution.





Written by: Arcangel96, 30 Dec 2013 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
chilliwestaziz,

DR sooner or later will need to find other suppliers. We all know is a matter of time before Venezuela's realizes that Petro-Caribe is unsustainable for their economy and that they are basically given oil away for very little monetary return and political influence. In fact, Guatemala backed out of the pact, this November, due to a change in the terms of the deal, while El Salvador seems hesitant to join, some claiming it will compromise their sovereignty.

Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 2:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
" Batey worker ask him when was the last time he was able to change is tokens at the Batey store in exchange for money to send back home. "

Methinks you are still living in the 70's. Last time I saw, the sugar complex here was largely dismantled by the state in 99', with only private consortiums like Vicini operating, but these ones have failed to make up for the state absence in the business. Therefore, the sugar industry isn't the main branch of the economy employing Haitians, nor the bateyes the main places housing them.

"Hell next time you run into an illegal Haitian on a construction site ask him about his exhuberant pay".

How about you check out the queues they make at Vimenca/Western Union, or check the extremely frugal (close to privation) lifestyle they carry in order to be able to send those pesos. You'd be amazed.
Written by: airgordo, 30 Dec 2013 2:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 2:41 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'

Next time you are in P-au-P please do report on the amount of DR Pesos you see being exchange on the black market, better yet once away form the border report back on your luck exchanging your pesos for Haitian gourdes. Repeating a lie does not make it true. Next time you run into a Batey worker ask him when was the last time he was able to change is tokens at the Batey store in exchange for money to send back home. Hell next time you run into an illegal Haitian on a construction site ask him about his exuberant pay. In other word " What you talking about Willis "
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and NEXT TIME you post here you should READ before posting, otherwise you end up been exactly what you are right now, a fool..what part of HARD CURRENCY you did not understand on the post you dare to criticize?
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 3:13 PM
From: United States
Well, at "Least" you don't heard "It" from "Me".

"BigBrother" defending "Little One".!

Wait.!

Father.! "Final Statement".*

Truly.

1600.***
Written by: generoso, 30 Dec 2013 3:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
FYI: There is a unofficial exchange rate for changing pesos to gourdes, which is slightly better than exchanging pesos to dollars directly.

The problems of hunger caused by overpopulation are being felt now, with the exodus of Haitians into the territory of the DR. Both states as well as religious groups are to blame. Strict Chinese type guidelines and restrictions must be placed, to slow these birthrates, but the light at the end of the tunnel keeps getting darker. Most are not confident, that birth control measures will be set in place.

Education, is the only remedy that will "show the masses how to fish". But if a child is starving from malnutrition, his attention span is null. So hunger must be resolved first, and then education.

Haitians are in a way, shooting themselves in the foot, wishing and attracting harm and economic challenges to the DR, instead of attracting abundance, so they are mostly focused on lack, hate and destruction......
Rings a bell?
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 30 Dec 2013 3:27 PM
From: Jamaica
No, I never said that this issue will break the Dominican economy BUT it can hurt it! Did the eggs/salami/plastics thing break the Dominican economy, NO! Did it hurt it? Yes! This was small in comparison to fuels purchases and similar agreements and the potential hit to your tourist market. Your government with its gold deals and high import tariffs and ability to float bonds at whim will always have its money, no question.

The question is, will the poor common man feel the hit? Will a gallon of gasoline hit US $10.00 there? Will workers lose jobs at hotels because people opt not to visit your country?
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 3:30 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


And if the only economically stable part of the island goes into recession, who gets hurt?

Think what an avalanche of repatriated people might do to Haiti's stability.


Not likely to be a good strategy, no?





Written by: riosm, 30 Dec 2013 3:36 PM
From: United States
Madura should put words into action by picking up all the Haitian illegals in the DR and taking them to Venezuela.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 3:36 PM
From: United States
The fundaments of Economics does "Not" exist at dr.!

Is a "Buddy System". (Corruption and Impunity).

"Needs" are "Meet" by a Political "Favor".!!!

Stop "Your" absurd "Explaining" of "Reality"


Z.Z.Z.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 3:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: Yucahu
From: United States, Miami
Josean, is a happy Haitian now. He has been dying for his country to finally win a war against DR. But notice you sore loser Haitian, you had to recruit half of the planet to TRY to beat us and we still got one hand behind our back. Josean, you Haitians ain't never gonna win, cuz we Dominicans always beat your bomboclot.
So think about this if Dominicans do endure all these hardships you so happily clap up and down like the little sad monkey you are who do you think is going to be the most affected?
This won't mean that Haiti will become the new paradise.
Nope you fools will just fall deeper in the whole.
Not gonna happen Joe, u hoe

___

Yucahu.........

You took the words right out of my mouth.

The Haitian wind fall is being transferred right out of DR's growth.

The minute we are in hardship, where are the Haitians going to go ??

Haitian famine will strike like a lightning !!!!

Sooner rather t
Written by: generoso, 30 Dec 2013 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitians are experts at starting fires that they can not put out.
"The fires in Haiti, where seen by passing ships en route to Cuba, miles and miles away" was related in a merchant marine's diary in 1804.
This epic anger turned, the over 700 documented sugar mills into ashes, along with the life savings and know-how of the grand and petite blancs, who found refuge in Puerto Rico, the US and Cuba.
This blind hate, was instilled in the first Haitian constitutions, and later attempts to conquer the DR, that backfired.
The main Haitian religion voo doo, also instructs followers on placing curses, hexes, pins and needles, on others, as a mean of retribution.
If economic conditions in the DR go south, many Haitians that are trading, living and working, will suddenly not have the job or means of production, to make a living, and turn to crime or return home, creating additional burdens in Haiti.
All and all, what could have been a win-win proposition, turns into a lose-lose reality.
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 4:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Another friend of the Dominican people is upset with their government!


One of Pope Francis’ 8 appointments to the Catholic Church reform committee weighs in heavily against the abominable court ruling:

Is the Pope sending a message via one of his most trusted surrogates?

 Google:

 
Cardinal O'Malley urges action on Dominican citizenship controversy

 
Google:

 
“Nadie tiene derecho a pisotear la dignidad de las personas”, dice Cardenal de Boston

 
"Nobody has the right to trample the dignity of people," says the Cardinal of Boston


Cardinal O'Malley writes an open letter to his Excellency Anibal de Castro Rodriguez Ambassador of Dominican Republic in United States


"Please let your Government know of the concerns and disappointment of a priest who considers himself a friend of the people of the Dominican Republic. I pray so their leaders will have the wisdom and the courage to correct these injustices being committed against its own people."

Written by: chilliwestaziz, 30 Dec 2013 4:04 PM
From: Jamaica
We were shocked to hear about Haitians from the poorer classes traveling first class to Japan to buy products. We are doing business with Haiti for the first time in a long time and business is very very good. The Haitian millionaire is no longer the light skinned mulatto of the old days; its the little dark skinned lady with no formal education wearing the straw hat. One rich Haitian, I heard of started with one cow. She now kills many cows per day and delivers meat door to door in Haiti. She cant write French but is worth millions in US dollars.

My point here is, be careful of the poor Haitians who you mistreat. One day, they will be the real power of Haiti and like good elephants, they have a great memory.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 4:07 PM
From: United States
Viva O'Malley.!!!


Everyday "We're More".


La Multitud.***
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 4:30 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
What part of hard currencies you didn't understand
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You sure Im the one who do not understand hard currency? The problem is most of you seems to have an issue with statistics it's math after all
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a lot of you guys in this forum Abetey mainly ,and quiet a few others like to engage in this pseudo intellectual mastubation base on no w knowledge of the current facts on the the ground in regard to Haiti but I'm certain he is quick to find an outdated thesis to prove his authority on the matter. If it suit your nationalistic pride rock on but it def does not do any service to an honest discussion and damn sure does not bring light to the least bright amongst you.
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 4:35 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
BTW 5 years ago any financial analyst who publicly stated most of the telecom and tech giants including google and Samsung are currently and quietly in the process of repositioning them selves for the African market would have been laughed at including by the majority on this forum for only darkness and famine can come out of Africa.Im certain all you light skin negroes I'm mean Dominicans will be shock to know 6 out of the 10 best performing emerging markets in the world currently are on the continent too.
Written by: tomito, 30 Dec 2013 4:38 PM
From: United States
If Maduro and Caricom have both (the mediators) already sided with the Haitians before the recently agreed negotiations even begin, Danilo Medina should simply stop the talks and proceed with the regularization of those affected by the sentence as the DR sees fit (yes including deportations of "many, not all of those who don't qualify") and simply ignore Maduro, Martelly and of course Caricom.

We should simply resume buying oil from the Mexicans, we still buy some from them now and they will be happy to get all or most of our business back, we could even get some from Brazil (Petrobras), we should also stop buying natural gas from T&T and get it from Bolivia but preferrably the US. We should also buy venezuela's 49% stake in our oil refinery (the refinery being a monopoly has always been profitable anyways so it only make sense that we resume 100% ownership). We have never belonged to Caricom so that will have no effect in our economy.

Continue...
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 4:41 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Haiti not likely will be ready in a long time
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One must admit the 2020 goal for Haiti to reach develop country status part of the current plan is very ambitious , 2025-2030 is a much more pragmatic time frame.
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 4:53 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!
Written by: tomito, 30 Dec 2013 4:54 PM
From: United States
Besides the oil and gas sector, the venezuelan and T&T impact in DR is and has always been marginal, we don't buy much else from them and they really don't buy that much from us, they need to realize they are not the only kids on the block and that their products are available from a number of neighboring countries. We owe Vzla 3 billion dollars from Petrocaribe to be paid in 25 years as per the agreement, however if they insist we pay and we decide to do it (even if we don't have to per the agreement) we can simply issue that money in bonds and pay them in full, we do it all the time and once more is not going to break us. The DR existed before Petrocaribe which has only been in effect for a few years and we'll be here well after Vzla pulls the plug on it which it already has signaled it would because increasing demand in China and others who pay upfront dollars that Maduro desperately needs in its broke economy.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 4:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tomito.............

I agree with you on this.

Bolivia however would be in the future.

Argentina or Russia are viable options for our gas.

+

We should stop being idle as a nation, and start to counter attack.

When Trujillo was put against the ropes with boycott,

DR started to do business with Poland and the soviet block.

The world is a market, and we need to be allied with the counter parts.

We Dominicans need a more active role in geopolitics greater closeness to the US counter parts,

of China and Russia.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 5:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

PatDiamond ............

You need to stop dreaming, and start to seeing current conditions in Haiti,

as a starting point for your country.

+

Dominican economic hardship is Haiti's demise and burial.

The results of DR hardship is famine in Haiti that will strike like a lightning.

Sooner rather than later
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 5:21 PM
From: United States
"Integration, Cooperation and Fairness".


Eye of a Needle. !!!


Paradise. ***
Written by: perlurdom, 30 Dec 2013 5:27 PM
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
Chilliweastaziz,
"Like good elephants, they have great memory"
If you are Haitian, then you're not walking your talk.
You as several haitian participants in this forum have failed to "remember" that in 2010 the Dominican people opened the doors of the border to cure thousands of people injured by the earthquake.
Put aside if the government had or had not the intention of getting benefits as result of this humane act. I am referring to the Dominican nurses, doctors and many many others that put the hours, the effort to help. I hope the elephant remembers that as well.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 30 Dec 2013 5:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
These Haitian apologists don't know that if we hurt, Haiti would hurt even more.
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 5:32 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Neither side has to "HURT" if we ALL cooperate!




Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 5:39 PM
From: United States
2010 dummynicans opened "The Corral" gates.!

"OxiMoron" Expresion.?

Note: "Narco" is better to fish in "Troubled Waters".*

Massive Hysteria.*


L¤¤K.***
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 5:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

If Haitian politicians keep playing with fire,

the common Haitians,

are the ones that will suffer the consequences of famine.

500,000 death out of famine in 3 months is not unrealistic.
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 5:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"500,000 death out of famine in 3 months is not unrealistic."

Based on what evidence?


Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 5:45 PM
From: United States
Based on his "Collective Hysteria".!


Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 6:00 PM
From: United States
"Sensitization" stimulus. !

(Listin Diario)*


TheDoc.***
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 6:08 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
History is so difficult to deny, and facts even more so. The point is that no one forced Haití into the path it took. No one forced her to deny citizenship based on race. To abuse and destroy the vital links between state and nation.

And believe it or not, the DR has never invaded nor had designs to takeover the country of Haití.

Haití has a serious population problem, and everyone knows it: why else did Baby Doc plead with Bush to grant Haití more visas? Why the refugee plan across the Caribbean basin?

When you take a break from jerking off joseanus et al, or coming up for some air - dependiendo tu préfères - check the facts.

Good walls make good friends.

Haití needs to own up to its past and present, if it's ever to break that bitter cycle its been on for well over 100 years.

Just Remémore, when next a natural desastre should occur, neighbors will have options, no?

Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 6:14 PM
From: United States
They have in "common".

"Bring Back DT Forum".

Here is "One".

"Integration, Cooperation and Fairness"


PrendeCon.***

Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 6:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"When you take a break from jerking off joseanus" 

Projecting as usual!!!!

Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 6:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"History is so difficult to deny"


.......And even more difficult to verify!!!!!!





Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 6:28 PM
From: United States
!!!.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Josean ...... It is based on food price increase that the Haitian people are unable to afford in the international market. They are getting it for a lower price from DR, due to geographic proximity. If that door is closed, Haiti has a famine. We don't eat clay cookies in Dominicana.
Written by: jose_NYC, 30 Dec 2013 7:05 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY - Santo Domingo, DR
Screw maduro and venezuela if they want to backstab yhe DR. Is not like they give us free petro, might be on credit but we still have to pay for it. aside from fossil fuels the dominican republic can be self sufficient, ahunque nos hartemos de platano y salami everyday.
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 7:14 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Written by: perlurdom, 30 Dec 2013 5:27 PM

Chilliweastaziz,
"Like good elephants, they have great memory"
If you are Haitian, then you're not walking your talk.
You as several haitian participants in this forum have failed to "remember" that in 2010 the Dominican people opened the doors of the border to cure thousands of people injured by the earthquake.
Put aside if the government had or had not the intention of getting benefits as result of this humane act. I am referring to the Dominican nurses, doctor..... "

Is this a reason to deprive Dominican of Haitian descents Human right ? "Bouillon et puis Baton, merde mon cher"
Because you helped Haiti , that give you a reason to violate Haitian descents their basic rights ?Because I help you cross the river , that doesn't give me right to disrespect you , just thinking about it I can see how low you can be . You willing to kiss anybody arse for few food stamps , like you always do
Written by: josean, 30 Dec 2013 7:24 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"ahunque nos hartemos de platano y salami everyday."

Eazy for you to say from NYC!


Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 7:30 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
you KAKALAMI roqueteer , I like your sarcastic intervention about mud cookie , .

" We don't eat clay cookies in Dominicana."

I will educate you for once , look for one word : PICA( disorder )
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 7:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
You cannot be taken away what you never had. Never had an never will have Dominican citizenship in violation of the law. Born illegal die illegal.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 7:41 PM
From: United States
There's "Pressure" for the "Retirement" of mr. Cardi.!

Victor Grimaldi and Senate leader Pared came "Out" in his defence.

Curio: "GMO" is a herbivore type of "Rat" mammal. "Guinean Pig".*

Dishonest "Followers" of "Evil".

L¤¤K.

Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 8:16 PM
From: United States
says tomito

we should also stop buying natural gas from T&T and get it from Bolivia but preferrably the US.

Bolivia? how do you plan getting it here?
Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Dec 2013 8:19 PM
From: United States
by the way, all you guys talking about 'we can just buy it from X or Y; have you ever bought anything on the world commodity market? do you think this is like going to La Sirena and buying oranges off the shelf?

you are all so humorous...
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 8:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"by the way, all you guys talking about 'we can just buy it from X or Y; have you ever bought anything on the world commodity market? do you think this is like going to La Sirena and buying oranges off the shelf?"

If something good might come out of this mess is that the state could be forced to make a real fiscal reform that addresses taking taxes from the haves and maybe, just maybe, stop the buck passing as far as the gas prices is concerned. The only alternative to Petro Caribe that I see could be available would be the revival of the former San José agreements in which Mexico was the main partner, but that would imply a heavy commitment with fiscal responsibility on the part of the state, as in, going back to the austerity of the Balaguer era, a thing which these peledeistas seem to be allergic to.
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 9:02 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
If that door is closed Haiti has a famine
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While this might be chocking to you but prior to the misguided IMF economic policies of the early 80's Haiti was able to feed its self. The Artibonite region was consider its bread basket thanks to technical assistance from Vietnam and Taiwan that capacity is coming back.Eggs is the primary source of protein for the masses we say thanks but no thanks to your poultry industry we seem to be doing fine thanks to the new partnership with our Jamaican brethrens our poultry industry is coming back our capacity have increase by 400 fold while your share of the market have been drastically reduced, last I check RiceLand is not based nor is a Dominican Co get over your selves. Pretty hilarious reading about DR economic might on this board consider your GDP per capital is lower than the economic wasteland that is Cuba (Cuba 10,200 DR 9,800) but I'm sure there is an answer for that blame it on the Haitians
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 9:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Pat....,.. What was Haiti's population in 1980 ?? Do you know ?? It was 5.9 million eating clay cookies for survival. Now it is 9.9 million plus who knows how many are in DR. Twice as many people than in 1980, producing less food. You fail to see that Haiti's problem is mainly demographic, that it has has an extreme over population that is going to explode. They are mostly uneducated, and poor, lacking the means to provide basic necessities. DR has alleviated that burden, but the time has come to fight back and have others help Haiti, because we cannot carry your over population any longer.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 10:00 PM
From: United States
"Others to Help" the same people "You" brought and "Enslave".

Enslave: Verb "Presently".

"It" would be "Irresponsible".!!!

"Yours, Shame and Guilt".

FaceIt.***
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:06 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
" They are mostly uneducated, and poor... You are Uneducated and poor as well
...lacking the means to provide basic necessities" You never heard about THIRD world country . It applies to you too. Look over your shoulder Dumbass
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 10:09 PM
From: United States
Whoever: Him to He.

Be Aware when "Him" uses Whomever.!

Whomever: Him to Him.

"Speak the Language"

You.*

Note: Waiting for "Father" bootput.
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:10 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
... If Venezuela reacts this way , you don't know what other country may turn you down as well. The fact is no other Country agree with you ruling in fact no one is talking on your favor.

Because they know the bull crap "sovereignty " is just a freaking lie to make the poors suffer . Denying the basic rights of you own citizen is WRONG and totally Dominicans
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
A slave is someone who is forced to work for free, and is owned as property. Haitians are free to go, they are not owned as property, so they were never slaves. They did work for low wages in the past in DR. Being paid low wages is exploitation. The whole entire world is being exploited by the rich, everywhere you go. Make your correction perception.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
You cannot be take away what you never had. You never were Dominican citizens and you never will be. You were born illegal, you will die illegal in Dominicana.
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:19 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
HOW STUPID IS THIS : "Haitians are free to go in DR. Make your correction perception. "


.. don't you have a border , they are free to cross the border ? And this is the same person claiming illegal and IRREVOCABLE . You have no arguments DUMBASS . You own word will condemned you.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 10:20 PM
From: United States
Is "Not" what I saw: "Payrolls".

"A lot of Them".!!! Treaten when Claim payment due.

LaCamoina.*

Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:21 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Why am I wasting my time with you , IRREKAKABLE
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Ayiyititi........... You are a comical clown. Jajaja
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 10:33 PM
From: United States
Sometimes "Helps" if "You" address "Them" as

Amigo (Friendly).!

Consideration.***
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:34 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Comical clown ...
I am clown and I am Comical again ...

Parece que empieza a tener LAPRESSION has olvidado tu Inglés, las ideas se están deslizando hacia fuera :

Y este pegazo de igles , no entiendo nada de la primera fraze ...
" You cannot be take away what you never had. You never were Dominican citizens and you never will be. You were born illegal, you will die illegal in Dominicana."

While most people I read on this site went to school , I have the impression that you were at the bathroom
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Ayititk.......You seem to be getting the right instruction.
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Ay ti ti...... What else do you have. Let all you hate and frustration come out so I can laugh at you.
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:42 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
no Ayititk...

Mr AYTIZEKLE you ignorant being

You are the one seem to be frustrated , because your posts are triple by the comment . There is a link on the page for EDITing... use it while you still have enough neurons left .
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Ayititik ..........That is it ??? I have something for you to remember. We the Dominican people, are going to make a huge mangu made out of the platano MASDURO, and send it Martelly, to stick it in his nose. Because the TC rule is .....IRREVOCABLE !!!
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:48 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Next time i come here and read you talk nonsense like that I will give you this in your AS*S
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Hasta la vista KAKALAMI
Written by: rokete, 30 Dec 2013 10:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Don't leave I want laugh some more !!
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 10:55 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Someone said the poultry ban was an excuse for the martelly government to rachet their own local production, although it's my understanding that the Dominican government is suing the Haitian government at the WTO for their illegal act, however one can not be sure what is behind these politicals posturing ,let's see how far this one goes.
Written by: Perception, 30 Dec 2013 10:59 PM
From: United States
"Tyson".


L¤¤K.
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 11:32 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@dr lautaro
Leonel solution to address the concerns on the aftermat of the TC 168. i think leonel is the spanish equivalent of a bill Clinton please read on..

.almomento.net/articulo/153039/LEONEL-ESCRIBE-Solucion-de-un-conflicto
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 1:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: PatDiamond, 30 Dec 2013 4:35 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
BTW 5 years ago any financial analyst who publicly stated most of the telecom and tech giants including google and Samsung are currently and quietly in the process of repositioning them selves for the African market would have been laughed at including by the majority on this forum for only darkness and famine can come out of Africa.Im certain all you light skin negroes I'm mean Dominicans will be shock to know 6 out of the 10 best performing emerging markets in the world currently are on the continent too.
##

I'm really IMPRESS how long you took to pull the usual RACE BULLSH!T you and your kind of black racists really like to pull, since you have NOTHING ELSE than throwing your misery and play the F@cking VICTIM, that move is too old now.
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 1:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2013 10:55 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Someone said the poultry ban was an excuse for the martelly government to rachet their own local production, although it's my understanding that the Dominican government is suing the Haitian government at the WTO for their illegal act, however one can not be sure what is behind these politicals posturing ,let's see how far this one goes.
##

that has NOTHING to do with local production, some faggot from Martelly circus had IMPORTED chicken and eggs from Brazil that were not selling because Dominicans were too cheap, the result was that at the end an egg went up by 300%, all the clowns that really post from haiti KNOW THIS VERY WELL if they buy eggs...THAT is how much the haitian Gov loves their people on a daily basis
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 1:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: AytiZekle, 30 Dec 2013 10:10 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
... If Venezuela reacts this way , you don't know what other country may turn you down as well. The fact is no other Country agree with you ruling in fact no one is talking on your favor.

Because they know the bull crap "sovereignty " is just a freaking lie to make the poors suffer . Denying the basic rights of you own citizen is WRONG and totally Dominicans
##

THAT is OUR problem, not YOURS, unless those people ARE in fact HAITIAN , otherwise YOU and your kind should F@CK OFF, is NONE of your business
Written by: PatDiamond, 31 Dec 2013 1:27 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
That has nothing to do with local production some faggot from Materlly circus had imported chicken and egg from Brazil that we're not selling
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You really sound like the mad rapper "go ahead son tell them why you mad tell them what got you fizzed up"

BTW making shit up to bolster your argument does not make them facts but if it makes you feel better rock on. Google Haiti Broilers and come again with that nonsense . Wait until the repair and modernization work at Peligre is completed and the new LNG import terminal under construction come online. Consider the impact these developments will have in term of resolving Haiti's energy crisis which in term will increasing our manufacturing capabilities add cheaper labor source it will be more than your plastics you gonna have to worry about.
Written by: guillermone, 31 Dec 2013 2:48 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

The Haitians “are our older brothers, they are our dear brothers, and fortunately the Dominican Republic has shown wisdom and has established a time-line starting now.”

Ok..............good.............if you love them so much, why don't you let them all into to Venezuela.
Written by: rokete, 31 Dec 2013 2:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Pat........ You continue to inform the audience with all the super mega projects that are being constructed in Haiti. You probably think it will be like Belgium in the next 10 years. Dominicans are not concern nor are we attentive to that, because we are not envying your progress. Dominican would be happy that Haiti progresses, that way many Haitians would go back and we can get rid of your over population that has entered our country illegally. To put it bluntly. Frankly mi dear we don't give a dam. The only thing we want is for your Haitians to leave our Dominican country, before we throw you out.
Written by: AytiZekle, 31 Dec 2013 3:17 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
"... otherwise YOU and your kind should F@CK OFF, is NONE of your business"

@ airgordo
I tried to quote you but I realized putting your jargon together won't make a real sense of a single word
Damned !!!! You have a lot to bark after... Telling the world "human rights violations in DR" is not their business.

I am glad you used the word "kind" at least I know a lot about who I can be associated with and it shouldn't be kakalami like you . Oh Right , true you don't have a kind , no more left of your species only in DR.

Never mind keep barking , won't be able to see further than your backyard in DR. I like you intervention thu , pointless but noisy enough to keep my attention for a second
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 7:42 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@airgordo
Before disregarding someone point of view, let me suggest that, it worth checking the facts first.
Yunus taps Brazil Foods to develop poultry industry in Haiti

SAO PAULO, Brazil (defend.ht) - Nobel Peace Prize-winning economist, Mohammed Yunus, announced an investment in the Brazilian food production giant, Brazil Foods (BRF), to establish operations in Haiti and develop its poultry industry after a feasibility study in rural and urban processing and research on animal genetics and technology of food for birds was undertaken.

Yunus, called the "banker to the poor", made the announcement Tuesday in Sao Paulo during the Social Business and Corporate Investment Conference. BRF, is the world's 10th largest food company and Brazils second company in revenue. It was founded in 2009.

According to Yunus, "businesses and people can invest in good ideas that can solve problems and, with good ideas, we'll follow the money to fund them... Many companies have shown interest in
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 31 Dec 2013 9:57 AM
From: Haiti
The better friend of Haïti Is Venezuela. Viva este pais. The second friend Is Cuba. When a Guy tell me they Come from Cuba or Venezuela, it's a pleasure to give them all hospitalities they deserve.
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 10:10 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@Perludom
"
You as several haitian participants in this forum have failed to "remember" that in 2010 the Dominican people opened the doors of the border to cure thousands of people injured by the earthquake.
Put aside if the government had or had not the intention of getting benefits as result of this humane act. I am referring to the Dominican nurses, doctor..... "
"
I agree your help was greatly appreciated, Haitian should, and must be forever thankful to that. you should remenber Haiti did the same when your country was hit in 1930 with the passing of Hurricane San Zenon maybe not to the same extent, however we are glad the courtesy was reciprocated.

Do not forget Haitians fought valiantly, and fell alongside Dominican nationalists in April 1965 in particulary the intellectual (Jacques Viau) .
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Dec 2013 10:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Antonio,

It pains me a lot to say this, but, as far as Leonel Fernandez is concerned, I'm in the same bandwagon as josean, in the sense of disliking the guy intensely, and applying to him the saying that goes by "don't believe in the devil, not even when he tells the truth". He allowed the migratory problem to magnify in order to favor his cohorts in the oligarchy and the intl community, so he's the less indicated to be pontificating about solutions.
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 12:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: AytiZekle, 31 Dec 2013 3:17 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri

@ airgordo
I tried to quote you but I realized putting your jargon together won't make a real sense of a single word
Damned !!!! You have a lot to bark after... Telling the world "human rights violations in DR" is not their business.

I am glad you used the word "kind" at least I know a lot about who I can be associated with and it shouldn't be kakalami like you . Oh Right , true you don't have a kind , no more left of your species only in DR.

Never mind keep barking , won't be able to see further than your backyard in DR. I like you intervention thu , pointless but noisy enough to keep my attention for a second
##

Let me IGNORE the rest of the stupidity you wrote...WHERE is the Human Rights VIOLATION the DR is making? is the DR killing people? is the DR jailing people?? WHERE?? STATELESS people??
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 12:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 7:42 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@airgordo
Before disregarding someone point of view, let me suggest that, it worth checking the facts first.
Yunus taps Brazil Foods to develop poultry industry in Haiti

##

Antonio, i'm very aware of these news, but this project is not rocking and rolling to a level of satisfying not even 15% of haiti market yet, what i'm talking about is the artificial INFLATION of the price of a product by artificially creating a shortage of it, as i said the price of an Egg went up by 300%, that is the PROOF of how much the Haitian Government cares for the Haitians, the SAME Haitian government that does not provide ANY KIND of documentation to it's people, making 70% of Haiti population de facto STATELESS
Written by: airgordo, 31 Dec 2013 12:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 31 Dec 2013 9:57 AM
From: Haiti
The better friend of Haïti Is Venezuela. Viva este pais. The second friend Is Cuba. When a Guy tell me they Come from Cuba or Venezuela, it's a pleasure to give them all hospitalities they deserve.
##

GOOD!! them i'm sure they are the ones that receive the haitian illegals in the F@cking Hospitals FOR FREE, i guess they are the ones INVESTING 30% of the EDUCATION and HEALTH budget to cover the Horde of illegals showing up at the public schools, and and VERY sure that THEY ARE the ones that let Haitian children LIVING IN HAITI to cross the BORDER EVERY DAY to their schools and get FREE EDUCATION just like the native population

ALL that is done by CUBA and VENEZUELA right?



the WORST defect anyone can have, the worst THING in the world is to be UNGRATEFUL...
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 12:20 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@airgordo
"
Antonio, i'm very aware of these news, but this project is not rocking and rolling to a level of satisfying not even 15% of haiti market yet, what i'm talking about is the artificial INFLATION of the price of a product by artificially creating a shortage of it, as i said the price of an Egg went up by 300%, that is the PROOF of how much the Haitian Government cares for the Haitians, the SAME Haitian government that does not provide ANY KIND of documentation to it's people, making 70% of Haiti population de facto STATELESS
"
Agree, points taken.
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 12:34 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 31 Dec 2013 9:57 AM
From: Haiti
The better friend of Haïti Is Venezuela. Viva este pais. The second friend Is Cuba. When a Guy tell me they Come from Cuba or Venezuela, it's a pleasure to give them all hospitalities they deserve.

I would disagree take out all the smug,you will find the real thruth is in the numbers, the many attitudes exhorted by many dominicans posters are stemmed from frustration rather than racism that we Haitians like to claim, the facts we are not able to get our act together, and the constant threat of economic refugees at their door step is unacceptable to many.
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Dec 2013 1:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Moreover, antonio, he should specify the group of Cubans that he refers, cuz' anyone that have ever been to Florida can attest to the fact that there isn't a more anti-black racist group out there as the Florida Cubans, even against their own black Cuban brethen.
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 1:14 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Remember what happened in Cuba back in the 1930s:
More than 30,000 haitianos were rounded up and forcefully repatriated back to Haiti.

Again, histórica fact. Go check the facts.
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 1:28 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@Mr Lautaro
Cuba lol, that is an illusion, we should give him a free ticket to spend sometime in MIAMI little Havana.

i guaranty you, the opinion reflected above will be different upon his return, i will not even offer him a trip to Cuba before Castro or after. (very naive indeed)

There is an Haitian saying "you dont know how bad you have it, until go on the other side then you realize how good you had it "
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 1:32 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Also keep in mind that the terrible violencia called El Corte or massacre was closer to 1000-5000 than to the usual figures now stated. (15-50K)

The horrible event has been used in practically all news items as a tool against the image of the DR. Yes, a terrible event but one that loses a bit of steam when reasonable numbers are stated. Who knows if the 30,000 plus figure for the Cuban forceful repatriations of the 1930s became confused with the tragédie along the border?

Given the need by the anti-trujillistas to create a wedge between the US and the dictatorship, this possibility can not be dismissed.


Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 1:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Also keep in mind that the terrible violencia called El Corte or massacre was closer to 1000-5000 than to the usual figures now stated. (15-50K)"



You see why history is subjective; subject to who is telling and what is the agenda and motivation.





Written by: AytiZekle, 31 Dec 2013 1:48 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri


... , making 70% of Haiti population de facto STATELESS

I cannot take you seriously until that you know the meaning of stateless and human rights. Keep barking
Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 2:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Another Must Read:

Google:

Final de 2013: El tollo de la sentencia 168-13 y la economía del 2014


End of 2013: the mess of ruling 168-13 and economy of 2014

The recent statements of the President of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, on the relation of Venezuela to Haiti and how they assume the Dominican Constitutional Court ruling - as an aggression - should lead us to think about the dangers with which we approach Petrocaribe


Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 2:09 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

The possible Dangerous consequences of Petro Caribe

Google:

OPINION: Acorralados

Por JULIO CROSS


OPINION: Trapped

By JULIO CROSS


Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 2:12 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
In 1898, Spanish colonial control formally ended in Cuba, only to be replaced by the political, economic and military dominance of the United States. As in other Caribbean areas under United States control, and following larger global trends, the movement of people and goods between Haiti and Cuba became further subject to state control as borders strengthened in the 20th Century.141 Two Cuban immigration laws,based on legislation from the United States, were passed in 1902 and 1906. Both restricted the entrance of migrant contract laborers, effectively banning Haitians and British West Indians from entering the country. blacks and whites, and had primitive habits that would cause the Cuban nation to regress.
Instead, Cuban officials, influenced by scientific racism, sought to attract European immigrants to “whiten” the population and provide labor for the growing sugar industry. Cubans’ opposition to immigration was coupled with a large increase in sugar production and with the sugar
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 2:14 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
@Doc lautaro @ atabey,@ Josean please downlaod this pdf it's a good read,


from


//d-scholarship.pitt.edu/11907/1/Casey-Final_Dissertation-2012_april_19.pdf
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Dec 2013 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I'm reading it as we speak, antonio. Seems like you have struck gold with this.
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 2:35 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


I'm well aware of the literature Antonioj.

This book below was my introduction into the literature.

The Idea of Race in Latin America, 1870-1940

Edited and with an introduction by Richard Graham

With chapters by Thomas E. Skidmore, Aline Helg, and Alan Knight
While Latin American leaders wanted a closer connection with Europe and North America, these regions' views on nonwhites came in conflict with Latin America's heterogenous racial makeup; this book examines how some countries navigated this dilemma.


- utpress.utexas.edu/index.php/books/graide#sthash.DojyiQJJ.dpuf
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 2:41 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.

Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Publication: Journal of Social History
Date: Mar 22, 1998


In late March 1937, Cuban soldiers descended upon the sugar central Ermita in eastern Cuba and rounded up a "numerous contingent" of Haitian cane cutters who had been working in Cuba for years, including the "elderly" couple Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis. The soldiers "intimidated" the many haitianos who were "unwilling to go," transported all of them to a concentration camp in Santiago, and shipped them back to Haiti.(1) Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis thus found themselves in the midst of a massive deportation effort marked by "injustices" and "extortions" which had begun one month earlier.(2) The repatriation process proceeded at a rapid pace as the sugar harvest wound down. By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians;
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 2:45 PM
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By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians; in contrast, only 253 British West Indian immigrants had also left the island.(3)



The events of the 1930s pose an intriguing question. During the first three decades of the twentieth century, as many as 600,000 Haitian and British West Indian workers migrated to the neighboring island of Cuba.(4) Most of these antillanos arrived as agricultural wage laborers, ready to cut cane in the sugar fields blanketing the easternmost provinces of Camaguey and Oriente; tens of thousands of them - Haitians and British West Indians together - still resided in Cuba during the mid 1930s.

Clearly, however, Cuban authorities singled out the Haitian community for forced repatriation. In addition to the 1937 deportations, around 8,000 haitianos were expelled in 1933-34 and at least another 4,900 in 1938-39.(5) During this same period, a small number of British West Indians left Cuba, but all of them voluntarily.

Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 2:45 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


(6) Why, then, did Cuban government officials permit thousands of British West Indian immigrants to remain in Cuba, while at the same time they forcibly deported Elisa Dis, Enrique Francis, and nearly 38,000 other Haitians?
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 3:13 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 1:44 PM


"Also keep in mind that the terrible violencia called El Corte or massacre was closer to 1000-5000 than to the usual figures now stated. (15-50K)"



You see why history is subjective; subject to who is telling and what is the agenda and motivation."


That's why I consistently USE HAITIAN SOURCES to back up my claims!

The massacre of white men, women and children by the forces of Dessalines in 1803/4 were sourced from Haitian historical works. The Three 3 Emperors that have governed Haiti WERE REAL FIGURES. The Emperor Faustin I REALLY DID EXIST. This megalomaniac REALLY DID INVADE the Dominican Republic. Faustin I really did try to copy the French Court in resurrecting the Ancient Regime in Haiti, however crazy and Bizarre that may sound to modern sensibilities and PC sentimentality. That Haiti WAS THE ASSESSOR during the 19th century on the island of Hispaniola IS A IRREFUTABLE HISTORICAL FACT.

Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 3:17 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

The crux of the matter is that YOU Joseanus continue to focus on the trees and not see what Juan Bosch and the rest have seen for many generations: Haiti's quest to control, annex the eastern part of Hispaniola or the Dominican Republic has never ended.

What has changed over the years are the tactics used. In the 19th century it was the treat of force, Boyer and his 10,000 "fellow guest" in arms and the others before him, or outright violence. When those measures proved ineffectual, the tactics changed to challenging the border and then to crossing over. The goal remains the same: the way out for Haiti begins by crossing the border into DR. With challenging the mere notion of a separate Republic on the island itself. With the challenges faced by its explosive population growth, It will soon be but a matter of time before the democratic votes will challenge the very existence of a separate republic other than Haiti on the island.

The forest, not the trees.


Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 3:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


….And what does your hyperbolic conspiratorial xenophobic Ultra-NAZIonalist Hysteria have to do with denying Dominican Citizens their nationality in the 21st Century, because they are of Haitian Ancestry?


Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 3:53 PM
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The Forest, dear Joseanus, the Forest. Juan Bosh saw it and many other Dominicans, too. Why the myopia?
Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 4:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



The Weeds, IDIOT IRS Atabey, The Weeds.....stay out of them, from that vantage point all you can see is the IntentionalThree Ds; Distortion, Distraction and Diversions!



Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 4:24 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Is interesting that now because it’s convenient you’re a Born Again Juan Bosch Follower, yet only a few years ago you got your panties in a knot because I considered him to be among the world’s great writers.

……But I guess that was when you’re GOD, Lie-onel, was trying to purge his image from the NARCO PLD to develop his Cult of Personality as the Only Conceptualizer.

I guess NOW, like Lie-onel, since your poll numbers are down you are trying to latch on to him for GRAVITAS and a possible newfound relevance out of the Deep Blue Waters of the Forum.


Written by: PatDiamond, 31 Dec 2013 4:43 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
The price of an egg went up by 300%
-----------------------------------
Do you know what would have happened in the streets of P-au-P if that was really the case ?

@ Atabey I guess you see Haitians everywhere even in your closet . Next time you want to quote the Haitian constitution of old to fit your argument care to expound on the US one of that era ,specially in regard of the black man up to 1965 just a thought. Never mind the constant threat of reestablishing slavery Haiti was constantly under.
Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 4:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 3:53 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


The Forest, dear Joseanus, the Forest. Juan Bosh saw it and many other Dominicans, too. Why the myopia?"


PS


Learn how to spell your newfound Hero’s last name: BOSCH!


Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 31 Dec 2013 5:16 PM
From: Haiti
AIRGODO And Antonio
I think this is a reality, Venezuela is the best friend of Haiti.
Without Hypocrisis, Venezuela help Haiti.
There are many Haitians in Venezuela, and I think they have a better life than a lot of Haitians Who live in DR.
Airgodo, your people are ungrate also, you forget Haiti help you to have ur independence against Spain.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 31 Dec 2013 5:18 PM
From: Haiti
FERNANDEZ Want the place of MEDINA
This guy put Several judge who put this fking racist law.
IF THIS LAW IS IRREVOCABLE Why we going meet the idiots of the village.
This law is a shame for DR
ANYONE WHO DON't understand that is a fool man or a fool people
Written by: rokete, 31 Dec 2013 5:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2013 12:34 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back

I would disagree take out all the smug,you will find the real thruth is in the numbers, the many attitudes exhorted by many dominicans posters are stemmed from frustration rather than racism that we Haitians like to claim, the facts we are not able to get our act together, and the constant threat of economic refugees at their door step is unacceptable to many.

_____

Antoniej........

!!!!!! THIS HAS BEEN YOUR BEST COMMENT EVER !!!!!

We can all see that it is not in vain, that many have posted here explaining the truth.

I am glad, and hope to speak for most other Dominicans,

that you understand that the issue is not racial.

Dominicans are simply fed up and frustrated that the Haitian people,

don't get their act together at home to stop jumping the fence

Your country can be a major world competitor, of labor intensive manufacture of goods,

with proper planing.
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Dec 2013 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"FERNANDEZ Want the place of MEDINA"

Glad that we agree on something for once. Although if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so contrary to his aspirations. After all, it's a running joke here that Leonel Fernandez has been "the best president the Haitians have ever had".
Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 6:02 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: PatDiamond,

@ Atabey Next time you want to quote the Haitian constitution of old to fit your argument care to expound on the US one of that era ,specially in regard of the black man up to 1965 just a thought. Never mind the constant threat of reestablishing slavery Haiti was constantly under."


Pat,

It's the interpretation and English translation by

uscis.gov/sites/default/files/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-31594.html

Report of the Law Library of Congress

on Haitian Nationality Legislation


LOC Rpt No. 99-1104


Haitian nationality appears to be governed by Title II of the 1987 Constitution, 1 which was reinstated by the Decree of March 26, 1990, 2 and by the Decree of November 6, 1984, on Haitian Nationality 3 . This report is divided into two parts. Part I provides a translation from French into English of the main provisions of the law. Part II covers the specific questions listed in the request.

Written by: Atabey, 31 Dec 2013 6:07 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

As for Dessalines' 1804 Imperial Constitution, that's part of the record book.

Haiti did not transcend Race, all they did was replace Noir over white. Yes, revolutionary but NOT TRANSFORMATIVE and ENLIGHTENING shift.


A RACE NEUTRAL Constitution would have been TRULY World Shattering.

The great massacres against the whites were unnecessary and caused great harm to Haiti's future relationship with the outside world.




Written by: PatDiamond, 31 Dec 2013 6:55 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
The great massacres against the whites were unnecessary and caused great harm to Haiti's future relationship with the outside world
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Was the world ready for a black Republic in 1804? Was that something America, England, France were ready to accept? I'll wait. BTW do you know the historical context Madura made his statement, do you understand why there is an Ave John Brown as a main thoroughfare in downtown P-au-P. Tell us again Thomas Jefferson view on Haiti at the time event though he had no issue with having kids with Sally Hemming.
Written by: williom, 31 Dec 2013 8:16 PM
From: United States

Atabey keeps repeating the same damn thing over and over again with a cold presidente in his hand. Or is it a hot chocolate as it's freaking cold in NY right now? Is he currently in NY with no lash marks on his back -ready to pop champagne at Midnight?

That's what I biometrically call: wasted talent!

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Written by: williom, 17 Dec 2013 3:17 PM
From: United States

In 1791, Vincent Ogé, el mulatto, was executed by the breaking wheel.
In 1791, Dutty Boukman, el revolucionario, was decapitated.
In 1803, Toussaint L'Ouverture, el gobernador, died in a cold prison in France.
In 1804, Dessalines, el presidente, had lash marks on his back.
In 2013, Atabey, el DT comentarista, has a cold presidente in his hand.
In 2013, williom, l'ami haïtien, says that he's full of sal'ami.
Written by: josean, 31 Dec 2013 9:15 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"A RACE NEUTRAL Constitution would have been TRULY World Shattering."


It would have been great if the American Founding Fathers would have freed the slaves, and had established one "person" on vote but they did not!

Nevertheless, in the compendium of world history the American Revolution as the French Revolution and the Haitian Revolution, although not perfect, where leaps forward in overall human history.

So stop your IDIOTIC historical monday morning quaterbacking!


Written by: dagtan, 1 Jan 2014 11:23 AM
From: United States, New York City
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!
This is truly a great conversation and I am incredibly happy to see a great exchange among the greats on this forum. I do not have much to add to the conversation, but since I have travelled to Cuba on numerous occasions and have done some work at Havana University I have a bit of understanding about the Island and its struggles with race equality. Cuba like any other place has and is still struggling with raising the living standards (within the limitations of socialism) of its black population. Cuba's black population was kept away from the major economic BOOMS in the island throughout its history. The regime has worked hard in providing new outlets to its black population since the revolution (hence the faith of the black cubans toward the revolution).

However, they have a long way to go. One of the biggest fear of the black population in cuba is the return of democracy and capitalism (the reason for this feeling is that whatever possessions
Written by: dagtan, 1 Jan 2014 11:30 AM
From: United States, New York City
the black cubans have has been gained via the revolution) and the whites who basically lost the island to the revolution will certainly try to reclaim their loses after the revolution. This is the most difficult point for the U.S. and the E.U when it comes to dealing with the Cuban after a possible re-set.

How is the new Cuban government is going to deal with land re-distribution from the land distributions that took place during the revolution. Which case are going to be reverse and which cases are not? So when talking about Cuban and race, you guys must look at the current conditions and why there is plenty of friction between the white cubans and the black cubans, who happen to be the biggest beneficiaries of the revolution.

As far as venezuela think about their desire to reinvent themselves after Chavez and they insantly strong connection to Bolivar and Bolivar's connection to the Haitian Revolution. I do not want to bore you guys with the historical connections.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:46 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Happy New Year Dr.dagtan!

The best to you on your family, during the next 365 and 1/4, my brother!





Written by: Lautaro, 1 Jan 2014 11:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
The Venezuelan case is more of a gray area, dag. While it's true that Bolivar benefitted from arms and fighters provided by Petion and the southern Haitian republic (the north was a monarchy governed by Cristophe at the time), it's not the less true that Bolivar, like the good criollo that he was, feared the social/racial warfare that the Haitian Revolution unleashed. Neither him nor Francisco de Miranda ever sought to recreate the Haitian experiment on Venezuelan soil, and worse, firmly believed in Jefferson's doctrine of isolating the revolution to Hispaniola's shores, specially after they experienced a taste of what would entail if it were allowed to happen in the Venezuelan case, after the mulatto royalist general, Jose Tomas Boves, unleashed racial based massacres during the first stage of their war of independence.

Happy New Year to all of you people.
Written by: generoso, 1 Jan 2014 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Returning to the subject of the headline, most analysts find the statement of Maduro (or podrido), as a matter of fact, making threats to the DR, to either bend over for the never ending Haitian demands, or face the consequences.
This undiplomatic language, more worthy of a bus driver, than the head of a state, is begging for a vigorous response from the DR.
If the designated "umpires" for the upcoming DR-Haiti talks, Venezuela and Caricom, are committed to push the Haitian claims, and are announcing their favoritism publicly, then what's left for the DR?

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 12:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Let's see if the PLD is willing to bite the hand that feeds it Cheap Oil and whose benefits they used for their crimial corruption rather than for the overall wellbeing of the Dominican society.

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: generoso, 1 Jan 2014 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NO to ONG's meddling in DR
Returning to the subject of the headline, most analysts find the statement of Maduro (or podrido), as a matter of fact, making threats to the DR, to either bend over for the never ending Haitian demands, or face the consequences.
This undiplomatic language, more worthy of a bus driver, than the head of a state, is begging for a vigorous response from the DR.
If the designated "umpires" for the upcoming DR-Haiti talks, Venezuela and Caricom, are committed to push the Haitian claims, and are announcing their favoritism publicly, then what's left for the DR?

________

Generoso........

Right on the dot.

Dominicans have to vigorously clean our house,

off all illegals, specially the Haitians and their offspring.

Ignoring the threats, and the noise of the Fusion Agenda conspirators.
Written by: generoso, 1 Jan 2014 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
rokete
I can not believe the gall of the "usual suspects" like joseanus, waving the "carrot" or benefits we get from Venezuela or Haiti trade, and endorsing the claim of the Haitian fence jumpers, with the excuse that the DR "will be losing money"if we don't please them, and agree on their claims. That state of mind, that values money over anything else, is not only nauseous, but profoundly regrettable.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 2:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Altogether national hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture."

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


In this case on both sides of the border!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 2:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Generoso.......

There are many in this forum that have no scruples and no principles,

josean being the champion.

In his self appointed fake advocacy, of human rights and world peace paladin.

He stubbornly fails to see the light.

As if only Haitians have Human Rights,

and Dominicans don't have a Human Right to self determination.

It is better to be poor with dignity like Cuba,

than to disappear as a rich nation like the ancient Etruscan by cultural assimilation.

May God bless and protect the Dominican Republic,

from the destruction of our country,

by the Haitians predators, and the international conspirators.

May God bless the efforts of Dominican due diligence,

and firm determination to self preservation, against all odds.

2014 will be a year of many challenges for our noble Dominican people,

but also a year of many triumphs and prosperity for all.

!!!! Happy New Year Generoso, my God grant your wishes in 2014 !!!!!

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 2:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else.

Clarence Darrow



Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

There are many in this forum that have no scruples and no principles,

josean being the champion.

In his self appointed fake advocacy, of human rights and world peace paladin.

He stubbornly fails to see the light.

As if only Haitians have Human Rights,

and Dominicans don't have a Human Right to self determination.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 3:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

We The Dominican people, are going to have a huge Mangu in 2014,

with platano MADURO !!!!!!!

And proclaim Lopez Rodriguez a Dominican national hero in 2014 !!!

Y goza que goza, con Vargas Llosa !!!!!

We are going to send all Haitians to Venezuela, and Caricom without condoms,

so that they can reproduce out of control, as they know best.

Mean while back in Dominicana,

The TC rule is ..............................................................IRREVOCABLE !!!!

Jajaja

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 3:11 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Dominicans don't have a Human Right"

.......As a result of the PLD Fascists coming to power.........especially for Dominicans of Haitian ancestry!

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 3:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

You cannot be taken away what you never had.

You were never Dominican citizens and never will be.

Entered Dominicana illegal, born illegal, die illegal.

Your Haitian illegal offspring,

will continue to be illegals since 1929, to infinity and beyond.

Go and get the Haitian citizenship at the Haitian embassy,

you are not stateless,

You are Haitian, by jus sanguinis !!!!
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 5:17 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


How does that saying go about repeating a lie many times and still it never becomes the TRUTH!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 5:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Jodeano ...............

I got it !!!!

Me, me, me, pick me.

It is called,............................... "WISHFULL THINKING" !!!!!!

JAJAJAJA
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 5:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many Nobel Laureates have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 5:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean............

You ask, but in reality are allergic to the truth.


85% of Dominicans approve of the TC rule.


We the Dominican people, have a Human Right, to self determination,

to decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

Against the world if we have to.


Also, against unscrupulously, and incestuous bribed human slimes, like Vargas Llosa,

meddling in a foreign country's internal affair,

with the false banner of human rights and world peace.

A frustrated politician in his own country of Peru,

and has to live in Spain or somewhere in Europe.

The Nobel price has ceased its intended purpose,

and has become a political instrument of imperialistic interests,

and International Bankers.

A title that is worth nothing, to inquisitive minds today.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 6:06 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"85% of Dominicans approve of the TC rule."


A Non RECTAL Source please, to back that up , No Pun Intended?


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

I am not your servant, get it yourself.

If you think you are going to fool me,

I am smarter than you, dreadlocks and antonioj put together.

jajaja
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 6:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


OK!

Now that we confirmed another one of your RECTALLY produced lies:


ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many United States congress people have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Wishful thinking again,

Jodeano??

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Let me make sure I understand.

Does that means I destroyed your boy Vagas Llosa ???
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Also, against unscrupulously, and incestuous bribed human slimes, like Vargas Llosa,

meddling in a foreign country's internal affair,

with the false banner of human rights and world peace.

A frustrated politician in his own country of Peru,

and has to live in Spain or somewhere in Europe.

The Nobel price has ceased its intended purpose,

and has become a political instrument of imperialistic interests,

and International Bankers.

A title that is worth nothing, to inquisitive minds today.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Let me make sure I understand.

Does that means I destroyed your boy Vagas Llosa ???
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Jodeano..........

Give me an answer or for ever hold your peace.

I am waiting !!!!
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 6:34 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many major world newspaper editorials have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 6:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

josean....

First answer this question then we can proceed.

Let me make sure I understand.

Does that means I destroyed your boy Vagas Llosa ???
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I asked you several questions first!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

You asked me a question and I answered it.

I am asking if it is clear to your satisfaction what my answer was.

Then we can proceed, in order of events

Does that means I destroyed your boy Vagas Llosa ??
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many countries have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?




Written by: danny00, 1 Jan 2014 7:18 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
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Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Are you deviating from the subject ??

Let me make sure I understand.

Does your refusal to answer means, that I have destroyed the incest slime of Vargas Llosa ??
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean.....

Once you answer we can proceed.

Does your refusal to answer means, that I have destroyed the incest slime of Vargas Llosa ??

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean....

Ok.

There is a saying in Spanish.

"El que calla otorga". (If you are silent it means you agree).

What was your next question ??
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Answer all the above before you ask for another one and stop trying to be cute!





Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 6:22 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many United States congress people have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?

Again, how many countries have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?
___________

Joseano...........

This will answer both of your questions

Is the Dominican Republic part of the 50 United States of America ??

If not, then the congress of the United States, is not our prescribing doctor.


We the Dominican people, rule supreme in this part of the world.

We the Dominican people, have a Human Right, to self determination,

to decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

Against the US and the world if we have to, for our self preservation !!!
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Joseano.......

There is a saying in Spanish.

"El que calla otorga". (If you are silent it means you agree)

Good, then time is up for you !!!!






Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


No body asked you about our political relationships to the US, so you "answers" is part of your classical avoidance!



Written by: danny00, 1 Jan 2014 7:42 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
What the Dominican Doctor Said......."A Lie a Day keeps the Haitians Away"
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many international organizations have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?




Written by: danny00, 1 Jan 2014 7:46 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Some one is writing Rokete post. for him what a FU---/// Joke this Shoe Shine boy,
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean........

The congress of the United States is involved in internal political affair of that nation.

What relations do the Dominican Republic has with that entity??

They should go and debate their internal political agenda in the United States,

not the migration laws of a sovereign nation like the Dominican Republic.

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Danny..........

You and Antonioj can keep dreaming of an impostor.

I have resolved to treat others with decency in 2014, even if they don't deserve it.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 7:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

ROT-kee refresh my memory?

Again, how many international organizations have come out in favor of the NAZI Ruling?
____

We the Dominican people, rule supreme in this part of the world.

We the Dominican people, have a Human Right, to self determination,

to decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

Against the US and the world if we have to, for our self preservation !!!
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Many of the congress people in the US have Dominican American constituents who may have asked them to speakout on the criminal abomination being perpetrated against their Dominican brothers and sisters of Haitian ancestry!

Ever think of that!



Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Many of the congress people in the US have Dominican American constituents who may have asked them to speakout on the criminal abomination being perpetrated against their Dominican brothers and sisters of Haitian ancestry!

Ever think of that!
_______________

Josean .......

This is part of your answer.

You cannot be taken away what you never had.

You were never Dominican citizens and never will be.

Entered Dominicana illegal, born illegal, die illegal.

Your Haitian illegal offspring,

will continue to be illegals since 1929, to infinity and beyond.

Go and get the Haitian citizenship at the Haitian embassy,

you are not stateless,

You are Haitian, by jus sanguinis !!!!
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 7:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Many of the congress people in the US have Dominican American constituents who may have asked them to speakout on the criminal abomination being perpetrated against their Dominican brothers and sisters of Haitian ancestry!

Ever think of that!
_______________

Josean.......

The second part is that

I have lived in the US, and most Dominicans living there, are not aware of what is going on in DR.

If you ask them when was the last time they where in DR, many will answer 14, 18, 20 years.

That is not very informative, of the danger to our national integrity, security,

and the danger of cultural assimilation,

from a never ending Haitian population growth.

Many are ignorant to Dominican reality as it is today.

They don't have a proper base to make a good judgement.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

La Vega is a beautiful city that I have always admired.

Sadly there are Haitians everywhere now, something very uncommon

in that part of the country 20 or 30 years ago.

I was in La Vega one night, and saw something horrendous.

But since I know you won't believe it. I won't tell you.

Nevertheless, what I saw is one of the reasons,

that I am so adamant, about not having anymore Haitians in my country.

I know that not all Haitians are bad people,

but in my mind I figured,

that if they were in their own country,

those horrendous incidents would not have happened.

At least not in the hands of a Haitian.

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 8:30 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Even you acknowledge you have no credibility left!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

I don't acknowledge anything.

Simply the truth is there for anyone interested enough to see it.

I suggest you go to the police station in La Vega, and ask for the crimes commited by Haitians,

in that part of the country.

Right now, what have I lied about for you to accuse me ???
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean..........

When was the last time you proved me wrong ??

Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Joseano...........

I am waiting !!!
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Jodeano...........

Your arguments have been crushed without mercy by me today.

There is a saying in Spanish.

"El que calla otorga". (If you are silent it means you agree)

Good, then time is up for you !!!!

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 8:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I hope your sitting down because it will be a long time before Hell Freezes Over!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 8:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Jodeano..............

One last thing.

The TC rule is ..............................................IRREVOCABLE !!!!!!!
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 8:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Nothing in the Dominican Republic is IRREVOCABLE, so don't believe the NAZIS Hype!




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 9:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean..........

Haitians and their advocates have had their day in the sun in 2013.

!!!!! 2014 will be the Dominican guerrilla warfare of counter attack !!!!

We the Dominican people, have been invaded by France, Spain, Britain, Haiti, and the United States.

We are a resilient people, who put our self determination,

in the first place, of all of our priorities.

We have been there before,

and sprung out of adversity, more resolved than ever.

Invaded by Haiti and expelled, more than a hand full of times..

Spain expelled twice 1821 and 1865, France 1809, England 1586, The US 1916 and 1965.

Once, twice again, three again, four times again and again.

We the Dominican people,

will prevail in our human right to self determination,

until the last Dominican is standing.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 9:21 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




You are on the wrong side of history!





Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 9:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

History is exactly what I have just cited.

I am on the right side, the human rights side of the Dominican people.

Our human right to self determination !!!!!

Written by: danny00, 1 Jan 2014 10:03 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Guillermone why are u always pushing the Haitians on some other Country when they have the right to live in the Country they where born and Raised in?.......they are your brothers and Sisters aren't they?......Guillermone why don't u Ride tall in your Saddle, look in the mirror and see your face Chocolate-Brown touch your short hair on top of your Big Head they are your brothers as much as u don't want that..,,..Embrace this opportunity to help others in a time of need. U as the imperial Wizard of the KKK the leader of the "Hooded Order".....u alone can do this don't be another Hitler.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean............

This is for you, and every body else to read.

Self-Determination

The right of nations to self-determination, or in short form, the right to self-determination is the cardinal principle in modern international law (jus cogens), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter’s norms. It states that nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or interference, which can be traced back to the Atlantic Charter, signed on 14 August 1941, by Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, and Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.


The people of the Dominican Republic, have a human right to self determination.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Joseano........

Did you see that ??

The Dominican people have the human right to self determination,

with no external compulsion or interference.

Does the interference of Haiti, Caricom, Canada, France the United States, UN, AOS, NGO's, Venezuela, ring a bell??

The USA is about to loose its most valuable allied of the Caribean basin, in the Dominican people.

An unconditional alley of democracy, it has had for over half a century.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:31 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


What does 14 August 1941 and Franklin D. Roosevelt have to do with denationalizing of Dominican Citzens of Haitian ancenstry!




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:31 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


What does 14 August 1941 and Franklin D. Roosevelt have to do with denationalizing of Dominican Citzens of Haitian ancenstry!

_______

Josean

This is part of your answer.

You cannot be taken away what you never had.

You were never Dominican citizens and never will be.

Entered Dominicana illegal, born illegal, die illegal.

Your Haitian illegal offspring,

will continue to be illegals since 1929, to infinity and beyond.

Go and get the Haitian citizenship at the Haitian embassy,

you are not stateless,

You are Haitian, by jus sanguinis !!!!
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:34 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"The USA is about to loose its most valuable allied, in the Dominican people."

Don't think that just a bit hyperbolic!


Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:36 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


You are Haitian, by jus sanguinis !!!!

So Dominicans of Haitian Ancestry don't have the "human right of self-determination" to determine if they don't want to be Haitians?


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:31 PM
From: United States,


What does 14 August 1941 and Franklin D. Roosevelt have to do with denationalizing of Dominican Citzens of Haitian ancenstry!

_____________

Josean....

Second part of your answer.

Self-Determination

The right of nations to self-determination, or in short form, the right to self-determination is the cardinal principle in modern international law (jus cogens), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter’s norms. It states that nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or interference, which can be traced back to the Atlantic Charter, signed on 14 August 1941, by Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, and Winston Churchill.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:31 PM
From: United States,


What does 14 August 1941 and Franklin D. Roosevelt have to do with denationalizing of Dominican Citzens of Haitian ancenstry!

______________

Josean

The third part of your answer

We the Dominican people, rule supreme in this part of the world.

We the Dominican people, have a Human Right, to self determination,

to decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

Against the US and the world if we have to, for our self preservation !!!

""with no external compulsion or interference""
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


PS

It's OAS not AOS!


Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:43 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"We the Dominican people, rule supreme in this part of the world."


Since when did we aquire the Nuclear Bomb?




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Thank you.

OAS.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Did the ROT-knee "fantasy doctrine" replace the Monroe Doctrine?



Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:45 PM
From: United States

Since when did we aquire the Nuclear Bomb?

Did the ROT-knee "fantasy doctrine" replace the Monroe Doctrine?

__________________

Josean ..........

You are getting cute.

this is the answer to your questions.

Atlantic Charter, signed on 14 August 1941, by Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, and Winston Churchill.

The Monroe Doctrine dies as did the League of Nations on that day.

Face the truth.

Self determination rules supreme !!!

This came out of the United Nations, Charter's norms.

We the Dominican people, have a Human Right, to self determination,

to decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

Against the US and the world if we have to, for our self preservation !!!

""with no external compulsion or interference""





Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The UN supports the NAZI ruling?


Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"UN agency urges Dominican Republic to restore nationality for people affected by court ruling"

The United Nations is asking the Dominican Republic to quickly restore the nationality of individuals affected by a recent court decision that could revoke the citizenship of tens of thousands of people.

The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees said Thursday that international legal standards require Dominican authorities to restore automatically the nationality of individuals affected by the ruling. People affected also need a simple way to obtain their identity documents.


Is that the same UN you're talking about?




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 10:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 10:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

The UN supports the NAZI ruling?

_____________

Josean .....

Without a doubt ??

!!!! YES !!!!

You get what you pay for.
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 11:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

It does not matter what they said,

it wont hold on a court of law in the UN.

The Dominican people have a universal,

human right to self determination as a people,

and to establish their immigration laws as they see fit.

""with no external compulsion or interference""
Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 11:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josean.....

We the Dominican people,

will prevail in our human right to self determination,

until the last Dominican is standing.
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:09 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



So said the AFRIKANERS in South Africa!


Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 11:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Self determination rules supreme !!!

We the Dominican people, have a universal Human Rights,

to self determination.

To establish immigration laws as we see fit.

To decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

""with no external compulsion or interference""

This came out of the United Nations, Charter's norms.

United Nations, Atlantic Charter, signed on 14 August 1941, by Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, and Winston Churchill.


We the Dominican people,

will prevail in our human right to self determination.


Haitians and their advocates have had their day in the sun in 2013.

!!!!! 2014 will be the Dominican guerrilla warfare of counter attack !!!!

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


OK Captain Edward John Smith!




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 11:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Unfortunate for you Josean,

we are not riding the Titanic.

We are riding the Dominican Republic,

with 10,000,000 people willing to fight for survival.

Written by: DRmaker, 1 Jan 2014 11:41 PM
From: Canada, North Coast DR
danny00 says:

"Guillermone why are u always pushing the Haitians on some other Country when they have the right to live in the Country they where born and Raised in?.......they are your brothers and Sisters aren't they?"

And u luv and care for your black american brothers and sisters, u racist hypocrite?

U have posted many times that black americans "should go back to the Congo".

Yet u profess luv and sympathy for Haitains........bullsh!t!

Your FAKE sympathy for Haitians arises from your hatred of all things Dominican.

Cuz your Dominican wife left your redneck a$$ and took your daughter back to the DR with her.

U like to boast that u are WHITE as casper the ghost.

U hate all races and countries........except white america.

Don't forget to add extra bleach to the washing machine when you wash your white robe and hood, Hater...........

........and go dig up some worms while your waiting for the rinse cycle, stinky.


Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Your just rearranging the deck chairs with your rhetoric but the outcome will be the same!




Written by: rokete, 1 Jan 2014 11:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:42 PM
From: United States,

Your just rearranging the deck chairs with your rhetoric but the outcome will be the same!
_____________


Josean ......

!!! YES !!! We finally agreed on something.

You are absolutely right.

We the Dominican people,

will prevail in our human right to self determination.

Haitian and their offspring deportation.

Written by: josean, 1 Jan 2014 11:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Icebergs can be very deceptive!


Written by: rokete, 2 Jan 2014 12:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Again, unfortunately for you, we are riding the Dominican Republic,

with 10,000,000 people willing to fight for survival.

We are in the heart of the tropics, no iceburgs here buddy.
Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 12:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I thought you understood metaphors and knew the difference between figuratively and literally!


Written by: rokete, 2 Jan 2014 12:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 12:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I thought you understood metaphors and knew the difference between figuratively and literally!

_________

I understand more than you think.

Need to keep ridding with the wave like a good surfer.
Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 12:46 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I think the board may have hit on the head one too many times!

Written by: saru2191, 2 Jan 2014 3:50 AM
From: United States
"Guillermone why are u always pushing the Haitians on some other Country when they have the right to live in the country they where born and Raised in?" They're Haitians, they have their own country. Guillermone brings this arguement up because most of the nations and organiztions in question are hypocrites. They parade around with this human rights banner, when in reality it's a facade to enforce their own agendas.

"they are your brothers and Sisters aren't they?"
How so?? DR/Haiti history has shown the to nations to be mere neighbors and nothing more. There's nothing wrong with that as long as both learn how to live together on good terms.

"look in the mirror and see your face Chocolate-Brown touch your short hair on top of your Big Head"
More race baiting BS, huh? That's all this ever leads to.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 2 Jan 2014 10:53 AM
From: Haiti
Rejected
Who told you that the UN support your racist law?
Written by: danny00, 2 Jan 2014 11:18 AM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Hitler did the same thing when the Olympics where going on Hitler took down all of the Signs though out Berlin and all of Germany...These signs Said "Jews not Allowed"...Public Bathrooms, Restaurant, Hotels, Govt Offices, their was no place the Jews where allowed into...but when the Games came to Berlin in 1930's Hitler and his Funkys ran around with big smiles on there faces and telling everyone and any one "We Love The Jews"....Until the crowds of tourists left then they went on with their Master Plan Kill Millions of Jews...This is the Dominican Plan to not only rid the Haitians but kill as many as they can.
Written by: generoso, 2 Jan 2014 12:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
danny00
Now the self appointed historian and scholar, writing unadulterated kaka from his lifeboat full of stinky rotten bait. Danny00 the end result of inbreeding, and the dangers of ingesting too much cacalami, together with dirt cookies.
Written by: riosm, 2 Jan 2014 1:29 PM
From: United States
Wow ! a new DT posting record.
Written by: rokete, 2 Jan 2014 2:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 2 Jan 2014 10:53 AM
From: Haiti
Rejected
Who told you that the UN support your racist law?
_______

The UN does not have to support our laws.

It has to accept it.



We the Dominican people, have a universal Human Rights,

to self determination.

To establish immigration laws as we see fit.

To decide who is or isn't our citizens,

and to deport all illegals from our territory,

in accordance with the rule of our internal laws.

""with no external compulsion or interference""

This came out of the United Nations, Charter's norms.

United Nations, Atlantic Charter, signed on 14 August 1941, by Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, and Winston Churchill.

Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 2 Jan 2014 3:23 PM
From: Haiti
REJECTED
We don't have to accept a racist law in this new world.
We don't accept HITLER ACT and how we can accept racist law?
Yes, it's normal to deport illegals but those dominicans are not illegals.
I see you have confused the illegals with those Dominicans
if you kill a lot of HAITIANS IN DR the world have to let you do what you want because you are in DR?
Are you crazy man?
Never the new world will let you take some law who let you violate righ humans.
So stop to dream
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 2 Jan 2014 3:23 PM
From: Haiti
REJECTED
We don't have to accept a racist law in this new world.
We don't accept HITLER ACT and how we can accept racist law?
Yes, it's normal to deport illegals but those dominicans are not illegals.
I see you have confused the illegals with those Dominicans
if you kill a lot of HAITIANS IN DR the world have to let you do what you want because you are in DR?
Are you crazy man?
Never the new world will let you take some law who let you violate righ humans.
So stop to dream
Written by: Atabey, 2 Jan 2014 3:33 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

"The problem is that it is hard to see how CARICOM, having backed Haiti on the basis of morality, will in future be able to repair what was already for almost all but a few trade negotiators, investors and traders, a distant relationship with the Dominican Republic;

matters not helped by the fact that the media in the Anglophone and Hispanic Caribbean have little ability to report on the nuance of what is happening in each other’s part of the region.

The reality is that few in the Anglophone Caribbean know the Dominican Republic, understand its
history, know much about its internal politics, have thought much about what it is to have a land
border with the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, have shown any interest in
understanding the Dominican electorate’s fears,"

The reality is that few in the Anglophone Caribbean know the D R, understand its
history,... have thought much about what it is to have a land border with the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere
Written by: Atabey, 2 Jan 2014 3:34 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Source: The View from Europe

By David Jessop

A dispute with an uncertain outcome


"The reality is that few in the Anglophone Caribbean know the D R, understand its
history,... have thought much about what it is to have a land border with the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere"


Well stated.


Add Joseanus, KISKEYAMAN, danny00, and the rest of the gang to the Anglophone Caribbean.




Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 3:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Be careful, your Hysterical Xenophobic Irrational buddy, the professor, is upset that I posted that for your enjoyment!





Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 2 Jan 2014 4:04 PM
From: Haiti
ATABEY
you should go get treatment.
I think you are very sick.
Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 4:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

IDIOT IRS Atabey you seem to have INADVERTENTLY left out this balancing paragraph; being the “fair-minded non distorting fellow”, we have all come to know at DT!

"Much the same holds true in reverse. Efforts by the Dominican Republic to improve relations with
the countries of CARICOM have been sporadic at best; there is little investment or trade with
CARICOM other than in relation to Trinidad; much of the negative thinking about the Anglophone
Caribbean from the days of President Balaguer and before remains; and there is a broader, deep
rooted culturally based failure to try to understand CARICOM and its history."


Written by: guillermone, 2 Jan 2014 5:12 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Reports of an increase in Haitian beggars in Santiago

The trafficking of Haitian migrants has increased at an alarming rate over the last two months in the Dominican Republic, and according to experts, they are not able to work and many are disabled. They include children, teenagers, disabled people, fugitives from Haitian justice and others who are strongly rejected by their own emigre community. And they are arriving en masse to the Dominican Republic, according to Rene Tarbulu Batiste, of the Human Rights and Civil Protection Organization of northeastern Haiti. He said that "most are taken to Santiago and other provinces in the Cibao region." Recently, disabled Haitians have been seen on the streets of Santiago, along with women and children. According to Haitian sources they are ostracized in their own country.
Written by: Trujillo, 2 Jan 2014 5:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians and commies together. This sounds to good to be true. Hope they try an armed invasion.
Written by: Trujillo, 2 Jan 2014 5:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is guy you don't give Hugo Chavez (PDVSA) 49% of your only refinery. We need more refineries in the DR, not state owned, private and dominican owned refinaries. Stop importing natural gas and oil from crountries like Trinidad and Venezuela.
Written by: Amber, 2 Jan 2014 6:59 PM
From: United States
Yes, Guillermone that new invasion of Haitians is taking place right now and Santiagueros are more than fed up. They are losing their patience and I am afraid that something bad is going to happen if the so called authorities don't put a stop to it pronto. Haitians are like cockroaches, there are more and more of them crossing illegally into the DR and then complain of mistreatment and continue playing the race card to get sympathy. Son unos desgraciados
Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 8:12 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


...........And that was a hysterical xenophobic "Haitian Amber Alert!"


Written by: guillermone, 2 Jan 2014 9:27 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

...........And that was a hysterical xenophobic "Haitian Amber Alert!"

Joe, you are on a roll for 2014 with your command of catchy phrases..........!!!!

Amber Alert.......now that was a good one.........

Nevertheless, all jokes aside, this is just more than an Amber alert,
This is an emergency.............and in the event of an emergency, dial 911 to request ambulance, fire, or police response but most importantly immigration officials and LA CAMIONA......tractor trailer size.
Written by: josean, 2 Jan 2014 9:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Mr.G what I don't understand is that allegedly the government had reinforced the patrols and
surveillance at the border when this crisis developed.

So how are these "hordes" of undocumented individuals getting across?

Are these the same loyal patriotic armed forces that will protect us from the "invading Haitians" or are they the real triators who will let anyone cross for a fee?

So who is the real enemy desperate human beings looking for a better way of life or corrupt armed forces officials?
Written by: guillermone, 2 Jan 2014 10:09 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
"So who is the real enemy desperate human beings looking for a better way of life or corrupt armedforces officials?"

Like I said, you are on a roll and yes of course.......you made a good point, we don't really know the enemy. But I think this has little to do with the average border patrol taking bribes. There are greater forces at work behind this mystery....beyond just a few corrupt officials manipulating the entry of illegals for profit. The numbers are just too big and the levels far greater then we have ever seen before at precisely a time when the Haitian presence should have been significantly reduced. Instead we see the totally the opposite.That is why the president needs to declare a state of national emergency.

This means that the gov't can suspend and/or change some functions of the executive, the legislative and/or the judiciary during this period of time. It alerts citizens to change their normal behaviour and orders gov't agencies to implement emergency plans.
Written by: poponlaburra, 3 Jan 2014 3:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
It's a big lie that most Haitians pay the border patrol to get into DR, the border is about 300 km of which there is only two or three places where Cesftont guard are, and these crossings are about 20 feet wide. Poor Haitians don't have the money to pay .
We don't have Cesftont along the. 300 km border. So stop the lies about our guards .
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 4 Jan 2014 5:43 PM
From: Haiti
Laburra
Without the illégals Haitians your guards of cowards represent a danger for your country.
Stop to talk about What you don't Know.
Written by: guillermone, 4 Jan 2014 5:59 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum


You know Kakaman.
This is not about hate.............the Dominican people are open and very loving people to everyone.

But you enough is enough.......

I love steak and lobster...........but when you eat too much and your stomach is full you don't want any more and it has nothing to do with hating m yfavorite food.

Vous comprend?
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 4 Jan 2014 8:25 PM
From: Haiti
GUILLERMONA

"I love steak and lobster...........but when you eat too much and your stomach is full you don't want any more and it has nothing to do with hating m yfavorite food. "

Could you try to explain your fker idioty? The only persons who eat too much in your banana country is your ancestor of spanish. The other is the ITALIANS for finish is the french persons.
But HAITIANS HAVE NOTHING. THANK TO THE HAITIANS YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN DR, the money that the HAITIANS STUDENT SPEND IS UNBILIEVABLE. AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF HAITIANS WHO HAVE GREAT BUSINESS IN DR. THE GUYS YOU TALK IS THE GUY WHO CUP THE cane cutters. BUT EVEN THE GUYS DO GOOD THINGS FOR THE ECONOMY OF YOUR COUNTRY. YOU HATE THOSE GUYS BECAUSE THE DOMINICANS DONT WANT TO DO THIS JOBS IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR THEIR LITTLE HANDS. You have a lot of DOMINICANS WHO ARE VERY LAZY, they prefer wins easy the money. When you will stay in DR, you will see the reality mister GUILLER MONA EL SPANISH
Written by: guillermone, 5 Jan 2014 12:04 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Kakaman you are impossible................
you are the perfect example of what is the use.
I give up............

I tried to reason with you but you are hopeless.........
I am going back to mudslinging............

I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU WAR YOU MASSISI.............. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 7:35 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"I am going back to mudslinging............"


How will we be able to tell the diffrence?


Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 5 Jan 2014 10:04 AM
From: Haiti
Guillermona
I am tired of you and I think you have to look for an another fight.
You are so rich, you have to helps the 40% Of Dominicans who are verry poor.
Throw the hatred in front of an another nation who are so close is not a solution for you.
If your bastard of spanish give you this advise, please choose the peace.
And work for your country to give work with the people.
What I do here, I give work to Haitians for improve their life.
And I work also with the future generation, I work for a better HAITI. Unhappy I can't do all only.
I am very proud of me because I give work to my compatriot. And I give materials to the school.
It's for that I don't have like you so time to come here.
Written by: guillermone, 5 Jan 2014 11:46 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 7:35 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"I am going back to mudslinging............"
How will we be able to tell the diffrence?

The worst I have done is call him Kakaman........not that is not too bad.
I can call him worse and really go down to the gutter and get nasty and dirty.
That seems to be the only thing he understands.
I tried to be logical and reasonable, but he does not understand that.
So forget being a gentlemen, that goes out the window.
I am going to give him a piece of my mind.
He was asking for it...........and he deserves it and I will keep going until he
gets the jungle out of him.
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 11:52 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Humble suggestion Don't let your emotions get the best of you Mr. g.






Written by: guillermone, 5 Jan 2014 12:19 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
httx://wwx.youtube.com/watch?v=10TmN34BF1U

Written by: guillermone, 5 Jan 2014 12:20 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
"Humble suggestion Don't let your emotions get the best of you Mr. g."

I have a knife in between my teeth...............and I am ready to strike.
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 1:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Written by: guillermone, 5 Jan 2014 12:19 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

httx://wwx.youtube.com/watch?v=10TmN34BF1U

Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 7:33 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Mr. g,

Simplistic Trujillista NAZI style Propaganda that would make Joseph Goebbels proud!


Written by: Atabey, 5 Jan 2014 1:47 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


The DR has done a terrible job of stating its case before the World Community.

No area has this been more evident than in the International Media. First, when Louis Gates, Jr., marketed his controversial overview of Race in Latin America: Haiti and the Dominican Republic, our leadership FAILED to take notice. The video documentary was little more than cover for the international campaign against the DR. It neatly put the onus for the Racial discourse on the island on the DR, and not on Haiti where the Race Wars began and spread throughout the island.


Second, We need an excellent and exhaustive documentary stating OUR SIDE of the historical narrative BECAUSE this Gates guy has cornered the market in the living rooms of the US and Canada, UK, Australia, and other English language locations. And this has won over many people to the opposition.

Third, Until DR gets its Media campaign in order-Will It Ever?-our side will be marginalized in this debate.

Written by: Atabey, 5 Jan 2014 1:53 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Fourth, Why aren't the Dominican Consulates pro-active in this debate? Shouldn't they be providing a forum for people to debate this matter? The DR has to provide writers /academics who will debate this issue in the comforts of its own Consulates. Make better use of these.

Fifth, Stop playing Defense and Play Offense for a change: debate in the Universities. Debate the Junot Diaz' of this world, but do so with our best & brightest on the World Stage, NYC. In Colombia other Universities.

Finally, THE REAL AUDIENCE is located outside, especially in EUROPE and USA/CANADA. Those power centers are best reached by use of ENGLISH, German, Italian, French, etc., But the KEY LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH. We need an excellent exhaustive documentary stating OUR SIDE of the historical narrative BECAUSE this Gates guy has cornered the market in the living rooms of the US,Canada, UK, Australia.

The private wrongs committed by the Vicinis and others need not weigh against an honest debate
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 2:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Louis Gates, Jr. must be a fortune teller......knowning years in advance that Lie-onle's NAZI Kangroo Court was gonig to come up with a ruling, than but for the human tragedy it has the potential of creating if left unchalleged, would be the laughing-stock of the world!

Keep try to sew that Quilt Tailored to your distorted reality IDIOT!






Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 2:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



No matter how good the "marketing" campaign if the product stinks the public won't buy it!


Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 2:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


If it's just a matter of public relations why don't you take that enormous genius brain of yours and write an Op-Ed piece for the New York Times explaining to the world what no one else has been able to do!



Written by: Atabey, 5 Jan 2014 2:08 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

People like you are buying the stinky product called Haiti!


Then again, you were born with "Chak fanm fet ak yon kawo te lan mitan jamn ni"

So giving it up Is Par for the course!



Your tune: Poor Haiti can't do anything for herself, so NO RESPONSIBILITIES and OBLIGATIONS to her own people are called for by the international Community. Only the DR has Responsibilities and Obligations in the matter of the "social dumping" from West to East on the island.


How cute!


But your goal Joseanus Le Barron du poisson en la position Missionaire will be squashed like those of Dessaline, Boyer and your Favorite: The Great Emperor Faustin I of Haiti !




Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 2:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Come on PURPLE genius step up to the plate.....you can challenge Dr. Gates to a debate at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.....when you publish your Op-Ed in the New York Times, what are you afraid of Punk!





Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 5 Jan 2014 2:25 PM
From: Haiti
GUILLERMONA

"I am going to give him a piece of my mind."

AHAHAHHAHAA you lost your calm, yes I like it. I don't want your mind, it's verry rotten like you.
Keep it for your fellows DOminicans like rejected or atabey
I don't want your mind which are rotten, stuffy.
You are verry lead by the hatred, also stuffy than hitler, you are a danger for your familly, your country and even your life.
Written by: josean, 5 Jan 2014 3:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



"this Gates guy" as IDIOT IRS Atabey condescendingly refers to is:

Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. whose Alma maters are Yale University (BA) and Clare College, Cambridge (PhD).


He serves as the Alphonse Fletcher University Professor at Harvard University, where he is director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research.


........and Your credentials IDIOT IRS Atabey?




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