sayonara

Quite a welcome touch that the President receives the list from the minister ,,and I assume that the same will follow with other ministries, That is normal good government and so we will await 6 more days to see what follows ,

Chequeen las cisternas... Y asi los venenosos de DT se quejan de mi bella Quisquella!

"Tourists staying at a Los Angeles hotel bathed, brushed teeth and drank water from a tank in which a young woman's body was likely decomposing for more than two weeks, police said."

cnn.com/2013/02/20/us/california-hotel-water-corpse/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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Rickey are you worried you might be on the list?

Generals performing no functions is quite profound.
100 colonels?
Will they be replaced would be the follow up question by reporters.

They all, the officers, will be lounging in the shade, playing dominoes, downing beer and shots, while collecting a hefty government pension and enjoying acquired gains. What a life ?

Meanwhile, firefighters live on a RD$ 4,000 a month.

Meanwhile, firefighters live on a RD$ 4,000 a month. Wow that's sick!

With indexed pensions, yipetas and choferes no doubt.

Of course with lots of cash, jipetas and choferes, you think they will walk???

No replacements, please!

Let this be the logical initial step to finally streamlining our grossly bloated armed forces to a level that is fully commensurate with our national defense and law & order needs. To make our decision more rational, we should look at the armed forces situation in the European and some Asian regions, totally ignoring Latin America (save Costa Rica). We must give consideration to land mass, borders, crime rate/1000 population, and outside threats, and ratio our police and military in similar proportion. I would further demand a pledge from the president and Armed Forces minister Pared that any member of the police or military without a needed and specific function would be promptly dismissed.

MJEV.

Mr. Medina can claim famous Cesar quote:

"Veni, Vedi e Vici".

Excellent news and hopefully Medina eliminates all/most of these positions from the "botellas" list.

DR needs to downsize its too large public sector and getting rid of these positions is a step in the right direction.

Written by: glomarexplorer, 21 Feb 2013 9:54 AM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

No replacements, please!"

Correcto!

Sayonara,, indeed.


:)

It's a good start, but more reinventing and streamlining of the DR armed forces is warranted.
One top general for all branches should suffice, and only one national guard, whose main function is to protect the sea, land and air borders, against illegals and intruders.
The large armed forces budget at present is unnecessary and a heavy strain on our resources, and does not serve the actualized functions of modern military doctrines.

What exactly is the total cost, % of GDP, of the national budget that the armed forces of the DR consume?


If not mistaken, I think it to be under 1% of GDP.

WORLD RANKING

RK---Country----------------------in $----------------GDP
92 ---Dominican Republic -- 322,000,000 -- 0.7%


The second list ----THAT'S RELEVANT FOR DR---is based on the SIPRI military expenditure database for the year 2011 (in constant 2010 US$).

Global annual military spending tops $1.2 trillion.


SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA.

Military expenditure (% of central government expenditure) in Dominican Republic--4.6

Armed forces personnel; total in Dominican Republic --65000.0-- >40000.0
So, 25,000 LESS than last counted.

Armed forces personnel (% of total labor force) in Dominican Republic --- 1.6-- >0.9
So, .7% LESS than last counted.

It would appear that DR IS DECREASING ITS ARMED FORCES.

Source: tradingeconomics.com

"No replacements, please! "

Absolutely, Glomar.
This government is top-heavy with no-function parasites. These suck up precious $$$ that can otherwise be put to important use, i,e, education and such.

The armed forces, as you affirmed, must be ratio out to a % of population, crime rate, and needed services, such as border patrol and forest protection.

The Navy and pseudo Air Force can be merged into a sort of Coast Guard with newer vessels and planes.

Police can be decentralized so that each city/town would have its own and number according to size. This will reduce corruption and avoid unneeded personnel.
Our DR, as a whole, shouldn't need more than 1-2 generals per branch of service.

Just how big are the armed forces to have 50 Generals and 100 Colonels be retired ?????? Must be over 100,000 members correct ?

"If not mistaken, I think it to be under 1% of GDP."

Is that right, Atabey.? Tell us where you got that number from, please.
..And what does that come to, in terms of dollars, for 2012?

Check the Stats above.

I hope you will pardon my cynicism, but it looks like there will soon be 50 new generals and 100 new colonels to fill the void and help empty the cookie jar. It is the Dominican way, after all.

Military expenditure (current LCU) in Dominican Republic

The Military expenditure (current LCU) in Dominican Republic was last reported at 12326000000 in 2010, according to a World Bank report published in 2012. Military expenditures data from SIPRI are derived from the NATO definition, which includes all current and capital expenditures on the armed forces, including peacekeeping forces; defense ministries and other government agencies engaged in defense projects; paramilitary forces, if these are judged to be trained and equipped for military operations; and military space activities. Such expenditures include military and civil personnel, including retirement pensions of military personnel and social services for personnel; operation and maintenance; procurement; military research and development; and military aid (in the military expenditures of the donor country).

Excluded are civil defense and current expenditures for previous military activities, such as for veterans' benefits, demobilization, conversion, and destruction of weapons. This definition cannot be applied for all countries, however, since that would require much more detailed information than is available about what is included in military budgets and off-budget military expenditure items. (For example, military budgets might or might not cover civil defense, reserves and auxiliary forces, police and paramilitary forces, dual-purpose forces such as military and civilian police, military grants in kind, pensions for military personnel, and social security contributions paid by one part of government to another.)This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Military expenditure (current LCU) in Dominican Republic."

source: tradingeconomics.com

Mr. Kerry go get them.

Scumbags.

three more years of Danilo and our country will be streamlined!

"The Military expenditure (current LCU) in Dominican Republic, was last reported at 12326000000 in 2010."

If I understood you right, Atabey, this amount comes to 12 billion, 326 million pesos or, using my nifty calculator, equals to 308,150,000 dollars, annually.

How is 308million equal to 1% of GDP? This would mean that the DR grossed only 3.08 billion for 2010. Can that be right?
Don't think so. It must have been much more than that.

Regardless, 308 million dollars, which comes to 844, 000 dollars per day, is way too much of a luxury expenditure for a backwards nation with little $$$ for education.
Still, I suspect the "take" for the Army is much more than this; surpassing the million per day figure.

I wonder why genius Josean, et al, aren't bellyaching about this fact!!

En Hora Buena Carajo !!!

These dumb asses were a whole bunch of botellas.

All these, provably had to do with drug trafficking and corruption.

There should not be any more than 1 or 2 Generals per military divisions.

Even if they get their pension, they are better inactive, than contributing to drug trafficking in action.

This is the first step in controlling corruption in the military.

Well done Danilo !!!

Now make the ones that stay accountable, for their actions.

Ron,

The stats say 322 million $. See above. Also note that both the number of military staffing and expenditures as a percent of GDP has been falling. The trending are good, man.

Medina just has to consolidate his position and professionalize the trend
moving forward.

Finally, the sums allocated should be viewed per capital. 322 million dollarsddivided by 10 million people is not as bad as some might deem.

"I wonder why genius Josean, et al, aren't bellyaching about this fact!!"

Ron we need for you to carry your own weight once in a while!

50 GENERALS?????????????

100 COLONELS ?????????????

Who does RD plan on fighting, the world?????

All these people do is extort and steal.

@Jasfalon

Since the birth of our nation, a military career has been a sure ticket to wealth, prestige, and all the pussy you can eat, without reproach.

If there ever was a job which required little knowledge and effort to perform, this is it!
The perks are too numerous to list. Which includes, but not limited to, abusing your position by misappropriating state funds, killing anyone who gets in your way, and immunity from prosecution regardless of the crime.

It's a dream "job", if you can get it! It requires little in the way of a formal education and no experience of any kind. However, it's not that easy to becoming a parasite of the state. First, you must have a relative or know someone who's already in this racket. Second, a raise in rank costs money and "favors" to the one(s) recommending it. Third, this is a "family" business. One must swear allegiance to no one but your superiors.
After a reasonable time, one gets retirement benefits for life. Great, eh?

"However, it's not that easy to becoming a parasite of the state. First, you must have a relative or know someone who's already in this racket. Second, a raise in rank costs money and "favors" to the one(s) recommending it. Third, this is a "family" business. One must swear allegiance to no one but your superiors."

"After a reasonable time, one gets retirement benefits for life. Great, eh?"


Ron,

Did you plagiarize that from the Bylaws of the PLD's Political Committee?

No, the armed force's "Code of conduct and methodology". Published in 1937 by @Bantam books, Inc.

Excellent Ron !!

The only effort required, is to be the ass hole, that gives or follow orders.

says Atabey

Armed forces personnel; total in Dominican Republic --65000.0-- >40000.0
So, 25,000 LESS than last counted.


how about you try doing a better job of trying to interpret the numbers. in the first case, the sign > means greater than, not less than. so, try again. look for annual data of numbers by year. that is the only way you can make that statement.

Atabey, please substantiate your contention by giving us data over a period of time, such as a 20 year span. then you can give us population increase over the same span, so we can calculate the per capita active military personnel. anything short of that is just more Atabey horse$hit, as is the usual case.

Bring the 6 infantry division to 2 plus one support unit.for a total from 30,000 to 10,000 Send them

all to the fronteer and start the rotation annualy.While there, make them work building roads like

the ROMANS did or building their own forts .

Only keep those officers that actually graduated from any military institution and demote the rest

to non commision officers or sergents, with that comes doing away with ther perks.Those that

don't comply with the law just retire them at their non-com salary and take away their weapons

as it is done in the USA, UK , France, after descharged.from the military.

Have their military academies fall under the State University's domain and subsequently under

a Vovcational/Technical institute.Maybe this way they will learn a craft besides making babies !