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Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic president Danilo Medina on Wednesday called the Barrick Gold contract “unacceptable” to the government.

Speaking before Congress, Medina repeated the warning of a “prudent deadline” for the miner to respond to an “invitation” to talks toward modifying the exploitation contract.

“I promise you that Barrick will not get all the benefits,” he said.

The mere mention of the government’s dispute with Barrick Gold Pueblo Viejo Corp drew applause, and occurred three times during that topic.

“It’s the biggest investment in Dominican Republic’s history. Gold prices reached as high as 1,900 dollars per ounce. I believe that Barrick Gold is a serious company with a US$3.0 billion investment (in D.R.), known for its best practices, and im quoting president Obama, “when times change, we should also.”

Reveals dozens of meetings since August

“We haven’t been able to obtain an amendment despite holding dozens of meetings, they have offered only the possibility of paying allotments in advance,” the chief executive said, but noted that “what Barrick Gold proposes doesn’t jibe with our ethical and moral character.”

He said under the current tax formula, Barrick Pueblo Viejo would recover its investment in just 2 years, something “never seen before, since the state would be getting only  crumbs in those 2 years.”

“Barrick gets 97 dollars, the people get three,” he said. “My countrymen, I admit that our government is to blame but also Barrick, but the situation changed.”

“I make a last call to Barrick Gold to enter into an agreement, we’ve been patient till now, but our patience wavers when we see extreme poverty in the streets, the government will not standby in dealing with Barrick,” Medina said, while threatening to submit legislation to tax mines, if it doesn’t respond toe the government’s request within a prudent period”

“Those who know me know that I prefer to speak with deeds, not words, the rights of sovereignty will not be violated.”

He said the legislation would deal with unexpected income from metals by indexing values.

Tit for tat

Medina noted that the government once agreed with Barrick Gold to change tax provisions in the contract to the miner’s benefit. “Now it’s time to accept our invitation to revision.”

Medina’s 1 hour, 37 minute address was speckled with calls for optimism and renewed hope. “A new hope is rising in our nation, we forge ahead despite obstacles. A new country is born which knows that you can spark a peaceful revolution, one which knows how to revolutionize for a better education, opportunities…let’s get to work.”

 

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142 comment(s)
Written by: sweetbabyj, 27 Feb 2013 11:53 AM
From: United States
Doesn't the government get 50% and has no investment in labor, materials and interstructure ? Starting to sound like the US Goverment geting 26 cents a gallon fuel tax.
Written by: Danilo, 27 Feb 2013 12:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
50% is what the ad on the right states but it is far from the figure that Danilo stated.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 27 Feb 2013 12:25 PM
From: United States


"Speaking before Congress, Medina repeated the warning of a “prudent deadline” for the miner to respond to an “invitation” to talks toward modifying the exploitation contract.

“I promise you that Barrick will not get all the benefit”

Uff.. This is getting hot!
Go for it Danilo!
Written by: telemeco, 27 Feb 2013 12:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
If we only have more leader like Danilo,,,Good Hunting
Written by: generoso, 27 Feb 2013 12:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
Good show, either renegotiate with good will, or the DR will pass a law to tax the gold and silver exports, to a more adequate level. This is only fair and correct.
I applaud this either/or solution to the Barrick contract, which now WILL be changed.
Written by: Perception, 27 Feb 2013 12:36 PM
From: United States
Regardless, "no mas borron y cuenta nueva".

DR needs to proceed with the charges brought to Leo.

Otherwise You'll regret it.
Written by: anthonyC, 27 Feb 2013 12:41 PM
From: United States


Populist Scum!!!


Hold Fast Barrick. Free Men Support You.



Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 12:43 PM
From: United States
General, i am a fan of Danilo, and i do not hide it. damn fine show!! this is exactly what Michael Manley of Jamaica did to Reynolds Aluminum and Kaiser Bauxite. sad thing about Manley was that he did it in the era of the Cold War, before wholesale globalization, and so Jamaica was hamstrung by international politics, and the USA retaliated ruthlessly. the Dominican Republic is partially at fault, for failure to exercise due diligence. i am not sure if the DR can actually force Barrick to act in good faith, and renegotiate the contract. however, justice must not simply be done, but must appear to have been done. whether or not you can stand on legal ceremony, there is a concept known as fairness. the DR is a poor country, with many destitute people, trying to get a little ahead. Canada is a very wealthy country, which is fast building up a reputation of becoming the world's foremost imperialist and exploiter.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 12:47 PM
From: United States
the Canadia government needs to call in the CEOs of some of these multinationals, and read them the riot act. the day is fast approaching when Canadians are going to be as hated around the world as Americans have been. if you seek to keep 97% of the benefits of an enterprise, and give the host country 3%, then something has got to break. that is the same paradigm as the all inclusive hotel industry, which keeps 79% of the dollar, and the DR gets 21%. hey, no wonder Fidel Casro has followers who agree with what he did.
Written by: BASTA, 27 Feb 2013 12:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
extreme poverty Thanks to the PLD/PRD!
That's it Barrick Gold; what bull sh-t!
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 12:50 PM
From: United States
maybe the DR should do what Chile did with Anaconda. nationalize its ass!! kick the Canadians out, and bring in a private consortium to mine the ore.
Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Feb 2013 12:55 PM
From: United States, New York City
"maybe the DR should do what Chile did with Anaconda. nationalize its ass!! kick the Canadians out, and bring in a private consortium to mine the ore."

Not even Pinochet dared touch that one. So much for rhetoric.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 12:59 PM
From: United States
you see, Cibaeno, when i read the incoherent ramblings of mental defectives like anthonyc, i ask one question; where exactly is the gold? last i checked, it was in the DR. so, without the DR, Barrick has idle assets, and no returns on capital investment. personally, i think that we should hold on to the handle, and let them hold the blade this time.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 12:59 PM
From: United States
you see, Cibaeno, when i read the incoherent ramblings of mental defectives like anthonyc, i ask one question; where exactly is the gold? last i checked, it was in the DR. so, without the DR, Barrick has idle assets, and no returns on capital investment. personally, i think that we should hold on to the handle, and let them hold the blade this time.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Feb 2013 12:59 PM
From: Jamaica
Dreadlocks,

Good comparison on the Barrick situation and Michael Manley.

History repeats itself in different places.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 1:03 PM
From: United States
chilliwestaziz, i was there. i worked for Manley. i remember when he put his foot down, and said that we would no longer accept a price that was set in the 1950s. i also remember when that dirtbag Kissinger pointed in Michael's face during a conversation. you have to go to war with these people, or they will skin you alive. now that we are in a globalized world, i am sure that people like the Chinese or the Koreans would love to invest in a gold mine.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 1:09 PM
From: United States
people, ask yourselves a simple question. do you think the Canadian government would allow a Dominican company to cut timber in Canadian government lands, at the same time offering them 3 cents on the dollar for every tree they cut?
Written by: bernies, 27 Feb 2013 1:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
If we agreed to renegotiate the contract back in 2007 so that Barrick Gold get a bigger pieces of the pie then Barrick should also act and do the same. 3% to the owners and 97% to the other is unacceptable anywhere in this time and age.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Feb 2013 1:26 PM
From: Jamaica
Dreadlocks,

Agreed! I was just reading the "Northwoods" report by L. L. Lemnitzer: 3/13/1962. Anyone can google it and if you take your time and read this real unclassified document, you will come to understand the mindset of these big nations like the US and Canada. They have come to realize that their arrogance is self-destructive and the only way to make things go the way they want them to go is by deception. These are very scary times. The US agenda is to destabilize and change heads of state to follow the yankee doodle puppet model. Haiti, Egypt, Iraq and now Syria to name a few.
Written by: ohhhvictor, 27 Feb 2013 1:49 PM
From: United States
I certainly agree..
not under those conditions!

we are certainly not that naive after 500 years of selling us gold for mirrors!
Written by: Juansantodomingo, 27 Feb 2013 2:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How many of you would be willing to give back to the previous owner of your house more money to compensate him or her for the fact that your property has appreciated in value since you bought it? This is whatt is going on with this dispute. The local yokels did not do their due diligence, probably also took bribes, and seemingly signed the agreement without reading it. Now they want more! They might get more but the price will be extremely high in consequences for future investments. After all, it is not as if these same yokels have the money or expertise or foresight or skills to avoid something similar in the future. Meanwhile, who will pay? The rule of law must prevail. If this is resolved arbitrarily outside the rule of law, there will be consequences and things won't be pretty.
Written by: telemeco, 27 Feb 2013 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Dreacklock,,,if Barry does not negotiate, no problem,,all Goberment have to do is tax the living hell out any import or export that have the name Barry gold and it affiliate
Written by: TXinDR, 27 Feb 2013 2:04 PM
From: United States
It does't matter if it is a moto concho driver, your gardner, or the government.....Barrack must not have talked to anyone or visited here before they entered into a deal with the Dominican Republic. There is no scenario they will not regret doing business here. A restaurant, a shop, a hotel, or a gold mine. You would have to be insane to go into business with Dominicans and expect a contract to mean anything or a justice system that will support the facts.

Investers of all sizes beware....do not do business here because you cannot win. Too many idiots with no education in elected and appointed positions.
Written by: TXinDR, 27 Feb 2013 2:11 PM
From: United States
The foreign companies are doing what the Domincan republic cannot do for themselves: extract gold from the mountains. Contracts here mean nothing if you are not a relative of a high ranking judge. I have lived here for years and still am suprised at foreigners at any level that think you can invest here and not lose your shirt.

Barrack has a legal contract and made a very big investment that will take years to recoup even with the high price of gold.
Written by: TXinDR, 27 Feb 2013 2:30 PM
From: United States
Dreadlock you are an idiot and a perfect example of the Dominican mentality. You ask would the Canadian gov allow Dominicans to cut timber on gov land?........In Canada there is a legal system that protects investors and respects contract law. It prevents a family of monkeys from robbing the entire country. If the Dominicans had a contract in Canada it would be respected even if it turned out to be undervalued. That is what separates civil society from third world islands contolled by uneducated monkeys.

It is not unreasonable for Barrack to recoup their investment before the shared wealth is distributed amounst the thieves of Dominican politics as per the contract......Either way the common people here will lose. That is the only way they know.
Written by: anthonyC, 27 Feb 2013 2:34 PM
From: United States



When someone holds up Michael Manley as an example of what to do you know you are dealing with a Fascist.







Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Feb 2013 2:37 PM
From: United States, New York City
TXinDR quips " It prevents a family of monkeys from robbing the entire country"

C'mon. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel about these island n&^*ers:)

Written by: poponlaburra, 27 Feb 2013 2:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net

We need to stop the mountain top removals from our tiny country!

Stop mountain top removal, please!! Donde vamos a parar?
Written by: Ricardolito, 27 Feb 2013 2:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
I have been advocating a mining tax here much the same as was put into place recently in Australia to catch the excess profits made by the mining companies because of the vastly improved mineral prices ..the normal arguments will be made that it will hinder future investment ..but this has not happened in Australia .
The simple problem is that the economic circumstances have changed so quickly in the mining world , that this contract , that probably was quite fair some 5 or 6 years ago , is now totally unfair .
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 2:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: sweetbabyj, 27 Feb 2013 11:53 AM
From: United States
Doesn't the government get 50% and has no investment in labor, materials and interstructure ? Starting to sound like the US Goverment geting 26 cents a gallon fuel tax.
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the ANSWER to the questions is a BIG NO on ALL, it gets 3.5% AFTER barrick gold PAYS BACK THEMSELVES all the money they claim invested, before that it gets ZERO, nada!!
Written by: poponlaburra, 27 Feb 2013 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Canada and USA is about a million time bigger than the DR, they have all the resources in their country that are being strip off from us. They are saving their resources; do not want to destroy their lands.
That is what they are doing, destroying our resources.

How come they do not go to Hawaii?? And mine there??
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: TXinDR, 27 Feb 2013 2:04 PM
From: United States
It does't matter if it is a moto concho driver, your gardner, or the government.....Barrack must not have talked to anyone or visited here before they entered into a deal with the Dominican Republic. There is no scenario they will not regret doing business here. A restaurant, a shop, a hotel, or a gold mine. You would have to be insane to go into business with Dominicans and expect a contract to mean anything or a justice system that will support the facts.

Investers of all sizes beware....do not do business here because you cannot win. Too many idiots with no education in elected and appointed positions.
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SIMPLE question for your twisted and stupid logic, HOW MANY TIMES has that contract been changed as per Barrick Gold request?? so when Barrick wants to change the contract to GET MORE MONEY is OK, but if the goverment wants is not? JUST FLUSHED your stupid argument to where the regular Sh!t goes...
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 3:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: poponlaburra, 27 Feb 2013 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Canada and USA is about a million time bigger than the DR, they have all the resources in their country that are being strip off from us. They are saving their resources; do not want to destroy their lands.
That is what they are doing, destroying our resources.

How come they do not go to Hawaii?? And mine there??
---

Or they could go to Yellowstone where there is a LOT of gold, why they don't mine there?
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Feb 2013 3:29 PM
From: Jamaica
"It is not unreasonable for Barrack to recoup their investment before the shared wealth is distributed amounst the thieves of Dominican politics as per the contract" - TXinDR

You must understand that many of these large international companies have a history and a track record of stealing one's resources. Thurgood Marshall is quoted as saying "what is the quality of your intent." By their track records and by past experiences certain companies have come under suspect. The Dominicans have the right to check it once and check it again to make sure that the playing field is level.

When apartheid was thriving in S. Africa, the US and Canada were trading partners. When Zimbabwe reclaimed the lands from the white farmers, the big countries immediately ostracized Zimbabwe. You must understand that people of color wherever you are have to be a bit more cautious and critical if they are to get a fair hand from the big boys.
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: anthonyC, 27 Feb 2013 12:41 PM
From: United States


Populist Scum!!!


Hold Fast Barrick. Free Men Support You.
----

Better bring BIG reinforcements then, your pathetic class is Against 10 million people, the GOLD is DOMINICAN and is on DOMINICAN REPUBLIC just in case you have not noticed.
Written by: rokete, 27 Feb 2013 3:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

TXinDR Said:

"It prevents a family of monkeys from robbing the entire country."


Are you referring to the to the Barrick Gold executives ??

The Canadian goverment ??

The US politicians ??

Or, are you refereing to the Rothchilds family,

in London, Paris, and Frankfurt, that are waiting for that gold ??

Absolutely!!!


Let this be a lesson of reference, for future ass holes that come to the Dominican Republic,

and think that we are still in loincloths.

This is our Gold, not Barricks, not the Canadian's, not the Rothchilds family in Europe.

Many Dominican including myself have academically educated in the US and Europe, and know the mentality.

You want to touch it, pay for it.

If it is not a win win situation for the people of the Dominican Republic,

Barrick can go and dig their gold somewhere else.

EN HORA BUENA DANILO !!!!!

ASI HABLA UN PRESIDENTE CON BRAGUETA !!!

LONG LIVE DANILO MEDINA !!!!
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 3:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 1:03 PM
From: United States
chilliwestaziz, i was there. i worked for Manley. i remember when he put his foot down, and said that we would no longer accept a price that was set in the 1950s. i also remember when that dirtbag Kissinger pointed in Michael's face during a conversation. you have to go to war with these people, or they will skin you alive. now that we are in a globalized world, i am sure that people like the Chinese or the Koreans would love to invest in a gold mine
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At the price of Gold RIGHT NOW there are MANY MANY COMPANIES that will come very fast INCLUDING VARIOUS Canadian companies ALREADY on DR...the Most Interested on a friendly arrangement that is FAIR to BOTH parties has to be the CANADIAN GOVERMENT which will also receive money on Taxes!!! better get something than getting NOTHING!
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 3:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Juansantodomingo,
From: Dominican Republic
How many of you would be willing to give back to the previous owner of your house more money to compensate him or her for the fact that your property has appreciated in value since you bought it? This is whatt is going on with this dispute. The local yokels did not do their due diligence, probably also took bribes, and seemingly signed the agreement without reading it. Now they want more! They might get more but the price will be extremely high in consequences for future investments. After all, it is not as if these same yokels have the money or expertise or foresight or skills to avoid something similar in the future. Meanwhile, who will pay? The rule of law must prevail. If this is resolved arbitrarily outside the rule of law, there will be consequences and things won't be pretty.
---

Nice example, The OWNER will kick your @ss out of the property so he can rent it for more profits, IT IS HIS F@^&@^ HOUSE
Written by: juanb, 27 Feb 2013 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic


I would like to publicly appologize to the PLD/PRD and all of our legislators for the many unkind things that I have said about them.

All this time I thought that the problems in the country were caused by their stealing/wasting/misappropriating of our tax money.

Now I understand that the "extreme poverty in the streets" that we see everyday and everywhere is due only to Barrick Gold
Written by: juanb, 27 Feb 2013 3:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic


I also hold DT at fault for not reporting about when our officials were held with guns to their heads until they signed this odious contract.

Could it be that perhaps this contract was signed with great fanfare and celebration by the crooks that were signing it on our behalf who probably got rich for signing.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 4:46 PM
From: United States
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 4:46 PM
From: United States
TXinDR says

That is what separates civil society from third world islands contolled by uneducated monkeys.

what are you doing here, you redneck a$$hole? came to recruit for the KKK? it boggles the mind sometimes. all you white supremacist douchebags coming to countries with black people, and just making demeaning remarks all day long. why do you haul your unwashed asses all the way here if you have such contempt for the people? i can see you from my computer terminal. a fat, out of shape, greasy, ill mannered slob, who could not get a dog to bark at him back in the trailer park he calls home. so, he fakes some on the job accident, gets a disability pension, and heads for the caribbean, where he can live on the cheap, and get laid occasionally by some girl who is desperately poor. if you spoke to her equivalent in the USA , she would call the cops..you are all transparent little dirtbags, who think you are somebody. you do not fool me.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 4:49 PM
From: United States
i've seen too many of you hauled away by Interpol to be impressed. do not get carried away by your complexion, you mindless armpit. you do nobody a favor by being here. if the people here are monkeys, then vacate, and go back home to the comforts of your double wide in some Kentucky backwater, and go marry your sister. we can do without jerkoffs like you contaminating this beautiful land.. go soil your own neck of the backwoods. begone.
Written by: juanb, 27 Feb 2013 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic


Go get'em dread.
Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Feb 2013 4:55 PM
From: United States, New York City
"heads for the caribbean, where he can live on the cheap, and get laid occasionally by some girl who is desperately poor. if you spoke to her equivalent in the USA , she would call the cops.."

Classic..because it is so true for oh so many out there LOL
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 27 Feb 2013 5:05 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Let’s get a few things clear. This mine does not belong to the miners, it is Dominican soil.

Presumably, the mine wasn’t sold outright, and Barrick contracted to simply extract the gold, and share the profit with us, peons.
Obviously, for whatever reason, the contract was written one-sided, and needs to be revised.
The miners are entitled to no more than 50% of profit from today’s gold prices.
If in the future, prices go up or down, -as they tend to do- the $$ shall be adjusted accordingly, so that one or the other does not get shafted.

The oil fields in Saudi Arabia are exploited by a consortium of multinational companies. This oil does not belong to anyone but the Saudis. In the same vein, it is our gold, not the company which digs for it.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 5:05 PM
From: United States
cibaeno, i live here, and this type of bottom feeding pond scum really pisses me off. i have the misfortune of having to interact with them, INVOLUNTARILY, because they are all over the town in which i live. they sit in their little cliques, mumbling all day about Obama and his ni**er supporters, and how black people are lazy, and Dominicans this, and Dominicans that. this is a piece of detritus who comes from a part of the world where inbreds tie people to the backs of pickup trucks, and drag them along the pavement until their body disintegrates. at least Dominicans are a little more evolved than to contemplate that as being entertainment. so, who's the monkey now, Mr Klansman?
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 5:15 PM
From: United States
Ron, some morons here, like anthonyc, do not get the idea. they have this misgiving that Barrick is doing the DR a favor. that is so mentally retarded. Barrick is in the business of mining for precious minerals. the precious minerals in question are in the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. without the DR, Barrick has no gold, unless it goes elsewhere. so, Barrick is doing nobody a favor by being here. it is doing itself a favor. if i open a pizza shop in Bonao, i am not doing the people there a favor by selling them calzones. without the customer, i have some equipment, but no income. without the DR, Barrick knows how to mine for gold, but no income.
Written by: Perception, 27 Feb 2013 5:16 PM
From: United States
Besides Independence celebration, is someone looking out DR. Shores for any Aruba cocaine shipment from Mr. Kevin and associates.

Hello.
Written by: rokete, 27 Feb 2013 5:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Danilo said to Barrick Gold.

“Those who know me know that I prefer to speak with deeds, not words, the rights of sovereignty will not be violated.”

Those are the words of a true president


Let's hope you protect our national sovereignty,

by NOT TOLERATING HAITIAN ILLEGALS IN OUR COUNTRY EITHER !!!!


EN HORA BUENA DANILO !!!!

YOU SURPRISE ME MORE EVERY DAY !!!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 5:45 PM
From: United States
hey, Atabey, i see that you are not sufficiently offended with someone calling your people uneducated monkeys to make a reply to a guy from Texas.
Written by: simondc3, 27 Feb 2013 5:55 PM
From: United States
Finally, a conscientious Dominican attempts for fair compenstation for the exploitation of the patrimony.

We should be weary and very watchful of how things develop from here on out.
Notice that Canada's Foreign Minister John Baird did a tour just recently.

Look it up, though he met one-on-one behind closed doors with President Medina, there is no press release to speak of + is not in any mainstream media besides Dominican sources.

Baird's itinerary, as one can find online, started with a visit to new US Secretary of State John Kerry, then a visit to Haiti, but nothing on his visit with Medina.
Written by: simondc3, 27 Feb 2013 6:01 PM
From: United States
I think the lack of anything on Canada's Foreign Minister visit with Medina indicates Barrick Gold's attempt at intimidating the DR using agencies in their own govt.
Written by: simondc3, 27 Feb 2013 6:03 PM
From: United States
his itinerary as mentioned online even talks of the snuff he received from Venezuela not allowing him to visit. But nothing on his visit with President Medina.
Written by: rokete, 27 Feb 2013 6:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Lula Da Silva said to Medina recently,

that Dominicans need to stop thinking that we are a small country.


No country on earth is small, if it has a population of 10 million inhabitants.


WE ARE NOW A BIG NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH !!!!

LET'S TAKE RESPONSABILITY AND ACT LIKE THE GREAT NATION WE ARE !!!!!


We need to make our politicians accountable for their actions.

FU@#$ the nation, company, or people, that don't want to respect our sovereignty,

whether it is Barrick gold, Canada, the United States, or illegal Haitians.

QUE VIVA LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA !!!!!

MEDINA, SI SIGUES COMO VAS TE QUEREMOS 20 ANOS MAS !!!!
Written by: BASTA, 27 Feb 2013 6:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
let's take responsability and act like the great nation we are !!!!!==hahaha!

Written by: rokete, 27 Feb 2013 6:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Lula Da Silva said to Medina recently,

that Dominicans need to stop thinking that we are a small country.


No country on earth is small, if it has a population of 10 million inhabitants.


WE ARE NOW A BIG NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH !!!!

LET'S TAKE RESPONSABILITY AND ACT LIKE THE GREAT NATION WE ARE !!!!!


We need to make our politicians accountable for their actions.

FU@#$ the nation, company, or people, that don't want to respect our sovereignty,

whether it is Barrick gold, Canada, the United States, or illegal Haitians.

QUE VIVA LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA !!!!!

MEDINA, SI SIGUES COMO VAS TE QUEREMOS 20 ANOS MAS !!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Feb 2013 8:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
dread asks: "what are you doing here, you redneck a$$hole? came to recruit for the KKK? it boggles the mind sometimes. all you white supremacist douchebags coming to countries with black people, and just making demeaning remarks all day long. why do you haul your unwashed asses all the way here if you have such contempt for the people?"

Because lording over third worlders like us is what gives the life of f*cktards like him any purpose. Without that kind of "exercise", they would actually get to contemplate how meaningless they are in the grand scheme of things, and we all know what happens to those types when they lose it.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Feb 2013 8:15 PM
From: United States
yes, Mr Lautaro. if he did not have the opportunity to ponder how much better he is than people who do not look like him, the world would be in a state of constant peril. if he did not have people like us to look down upon, and elevate his deflated sense of self worth, he would have been a six o clock news headliner by now, having taken an AR-15 to a school gymnasium and mowed down a few dozen schoolgirls, to prove his manhood.
Written by: JHCL2016, 27 Feb 2013 8:54 PM
From: United States, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!


Not only in DR...

Thieves steal $100,000 in solar equipment from Brooklyn Bridge Park
nydailynews.com/new-york/thieves-steal-solar-equipment-park-article-1.1275209

( ';' )
Written by: Trujillo, 27 Feb 2013 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is what the protesters should have said since day one and not say that Barrick Gold was going to be harmful for the environment when in reality they're fixing the mess left by the state there. Hopefully the government and Barrick Gold can reach an agreement. Contracts should always be respected, that's why you should read and understand documents before you sign them. Maybe that tax the president talked about is the best solution without violating a contract that they themselves created and signed.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Feb 2013 10:18 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: dreadlocks,
From: United States

hey, Atabey, i see that you are not sufficiently offended with someone calling your people uneducated monkeys to make a reply to a guy from Texas."


I was missing out on all this. Lots of energy. LOL


and to answer your question, Dready: No. Because I took it to mean the same as when YOU refer to some people here on DT.


:)



It's good to see you remembering your days with Manley, wasn't that the point when Jamaica started to go down the chute? Anyway, I don't believe that the Cold War Era was the crucial paradigm when looking at things in Ja' It was certainly a contributing factor along with the business community or should I say the international investors.

DR needs to play this carefully and not allow all these pitchforks to ascend, although that might have already occurred. The contract calls for Barrick to recoup ALL ITS INITIAL investments, 3 Billion?, BEFORE any monies are divided with DR.

Written by: Atabey, 27 Feb 2013 10:20 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Someone stated that that after these initial investments in plant, equipment and labor, etc., are recouped, the DR will only get 3% of the future profits? Is that so?

Trujillo:

"Maybe that tax the president talked about is the best solution without violating a contract that they themselves created and signed. "


Ricardolito:

"I have been advocating a mining tax here ...(like)Australia's to catch the excess profits made by the mining companies because of the vastly improved mineral prices ..the normal arguments will be made that it will hinder future investment ..but this has not happened in Australia ."


Yes, Australia has done so, but IT kinda has a bit more credibility than my DR when it comes to the rule of law.

Still, I agree with both you and Trujillo that given the approaching storm of populist pressures and, if true, a 3% return of such a massive-for DR- resource base, given all the poverty, and fiscal health, is understandable. Thread carefully!
Written by: airgordo, 27 Feb 2013 10:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Trujillo, 27 Feb 2013 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is what the protesters should have said since day one and not say that Barrick Gold was going to be harmful for the environment when in reality they're fixing the mess left by the state there. Hopefully the government and Barrick Gold can reach an agreement. Contracts should always be respected, that's why you should read and understand documents before you sign them. Maybe that tax the president talked about is the best solution without violating a contract that they themselves created and signed.
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WRONG, this HAS BEEN SAID since day ONE!! ALWAYS the contract has been subject to what it deserves!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Feb 2013 10:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Atabey says: "The contract calls for Barrick to recoup ALL ITS INITIAL investments, 3 Billion?, BEFORE any monies are divided with DR".

That doesn't mean the country have to allow itself to be raped while the price of the mineral keeps skyrocketing. Bottomline here, if Barrick doesn't want to mine under more under a more just contract, then they can go and f*ck themselves. After all, we're talking about the wealthiest mine in the
Western Hemisphere, and therefore, candidates for mining it will not be wanting. Má' pa' lante hay gente, as people here would say.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Feb 2013 10:41 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Well, lautaro, if it takes accepting the first terms, i.e., that Barrick first recoup its intial investments BEFORE the DR see's a dime WITH THE CHANGE in contract that forthwith the balance of the years and exploitation are better divided between the parties, I see no reason for people to be upset by such an agreement. And perhaps that's Medina's real goal here: give up the initial terms for a better medium and long term position. The company wants to get its seed monies out ASAP and Medina can offer them that condition.

Then again, he might just follow through and put before the Congress legislation to tax the exports forthwith. A bit messy all this, but perhaps it might finally teach us Dominicans to F***ing read and do our due diligence BEFORE we sign contracts.

Lautaro, also remember how things are going in Venezuela: not so well, and they have lots of oil.

Written by: Perception, 27 Feb 2013 11:30 PM
From: United States
Fingers are pointed to Senate leader Mr. Pared Perez for this one.

Who submit this document to DR congress.?

We all want to know who, perhaps DT can furnish that secret to US.!
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 12:39 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

and to answer your question, Dready: No. Because I took it to mean the same as when YOU refer to some people here on DT.


very weak, Atabey. i have never referred to Dominicans as uneducated monkeys. i would expect you to go that way, because you do not dare rebuke an American for insulting your people, because you are a self hating Dominican. see how it turns out, every time? it has to be left up to people like Cibaeno and Mr Lautaro to carry the fight. your spineless little ass runs for cover when massa raises his voice.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 12:43 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

It's good to see you remembering your days with Manley, wasn't that the point when Jamaica started to go down the chute? Anyway, I don't believe that the Cold War Era was the crucial paradigm when looking at things in Ja' It was certainly a contributing factor along with the business community or should I say the international investors.

you should know better than i do. after all, you are Atabey, and even though i was there when it was happening, and i was a member of the government inner circle, and you were too young to understand what was actually happening, you understand it better than i do. do you ever stop to wonder why people just see you as a source of entertainment and humor?
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 1:14 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 27 Feb 2013 10:20 PM
From: United States, NYC

Someone stated that that after these initial investments in plant, equipment and labor, etc., are recouped, the DR will only get 3% of the future profits? Is that so?


are you awake? what do you mean " someone stated"? that was your President that said so. pay attention. put the crack pipe down, for Christ's sake
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 6:34 AM
From: Australia
airgordo,
asks
"How many of you would be willing to give back to the previous owner of your house more money to compensate him or her for the fact that your property has appreciated in value since you bought it? "

Very well put. Likewise, would you expect the previous owner to compensate you if the value plummeted?

If the contract was a bad one, tough, it was still made by the PLD and the PLD is still in power. If the the Dominican majority feel so bad about it then they should have tossed the PLD out at the last election. Barrick is just doing what they agreed to do.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 6:47 AM
From: Australia
Dready,

Gold has no value when it is highly mineralized in rock, hidden deep below the surface. It only has value when found, mined, extracted, separated, smelted, poured into ingots and exported. This requires masses of investment, know-how, technology and patience. The Dominican Republic has none of these. There are plenty of other countries Barrick can invest in, but if the DR pisses them off, no other mining company will come, the Dominican gold will stay in the ground, the country will continue to plummet into the abyss, and very few around the world will notice or care.
Written by: airgordo, 28 Feb 2013 7:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
put the crack pipe down, for Christ's sake
Report as spam/innapropiateWritten by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 6:34 AM
From: Australia
airgordo,
asks
"How many of you would be willing to give back to the previous owner of your house more money to compensate him or her for the fact that your property has appreciated in value since you bought it? "

Very well put. Likewise, would you expect the previous owner to compensate you if the value plummeted?

If the contract was a bad one, tough, it was still made by the PLD and the PLD is still in power. If the the Dominican majority feel so bad about it then they should have tossed the PLD out at the last election. Barrick is just doing what they agreed to do.
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CORRECTION, I DID NOT ask that, i replied to that with THIS:

Nice example, The OWNER will kick your @ss out of the property so he can rent it for more profits, IT IS HIS F@^&@^ HOUSE
Written by: airgordo, 28 Feb 2013 7:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 1:14 AM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 27 Feb 2013 10:20 PM
From: United States, NYC

Someone stated that that after these initial investments in plant, equipment and labor, etc., are recouped, the DR will only get 3% of the future profits? Is that so?


are you awake? what do you mean " someone stated"? that was your President that said so. pay attention. put the crack pipe down, for Christ's sake
----

THAT is CORRECT Dreadlocks, i don't understand WTF is Atabey's interest on purposly DENY, i find highly suspicious that someone that can read and travels all over europe (on his own words) is still comming on with that type of crap...i would say to anyone supporting this Barrick Gold faggots out of IGNORANCE, READ THE F@%@$ING CONTRACT then post, not backwards!!! now if they are still defending this THIEVES there is some other interests $$$$$$
Written by: airgordo, 28 Feb 2013 7:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 6:47 AM
From: Australia
Dready,

Gold has no value when it is highly mineralized in rock, hidden deep below the surface. It only has value when found, mined, extracted, separated, smelted, poured into ingots and exported. This requires masses of investment, know-how, technology and patience. The Dominican Republic has none of these. There are plenty of other countries Barrick can invest in, but if the DR pisses them off, no other mining company will come, the Dominican gold will stay in the ground, the country will continue to plummet into the abyss, and very few around the world will notice or care.
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WRONG again as USUAL, for barrick Gold to INVEST, there has to BE GOLD is a freaking MINING COMPANY!!, use google and educate yourself regarding to the AMOUNT of GOLD that is underground on that mine...there are PLENTY COMPANIES that will take that mine with no efffort, MANY OF THEM ALREADY HERE, or you think that is the ONLY mine?...
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Feb 2013 7:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Coje clase Leonel, Danilo esta arreglando el reguero que dejaste.
Written by: Ricardolito, 28 Feb 2013 8:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
Roy does not understand that a mining tax will put the money into the government pockets or if Barrick choose to leave, there are dozens of highly skilled overseas companies who can take over ,Even Australia, a country reliant on its wealth from demand of a few countries has an array of gold miners and gold explorers with as much skill as Barrick
Written by: dreamkiller, 28 Feb 2013 8:37 AM
From: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Fighting Joseans lunacy .Stop Guillermo the commie thief in 2016
Poor Dread the Sponger to have once been a member of the inner circle of top banana republic Jamaica to have fallen to stumblebum short order cook too Canucjkistan carpetbaggers on the Nort Coast where the ice farmers joke they are eating authentic Jerk Jamaican cuisine prepared by aJamaican Jerk and Caricom apologist.....yes folks says he ". I was a big wheel in Kingston " lol
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 8:38 AM
From: Australia
Yes, Ricky, there are a number of companies with what it takes to mine gold, but will they want to go to the DR if the government reneges on its contract with Barrick?
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 9:14 AM
From: United States
says airgordo

THAT is CORRECT Dreadlocks, i don't understand WTF is Atabey's interest on purposly DENY, i find highly suspicious that someone that can read and travels all over europe (on his own words) is still comming on with that type of crap.

travels all over Europe? Atabey? the poor guy has never been farther than to Puerto Rico by yola, and straight to the Bushwick projects in Brooklyn.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 9:17 AM
From: United States
dreamkiller is up and about. the child molester has been doing a good job of evading the authorities, so far. don't worry, dreamy. they are going to get you, and clean out your stable of indigent kids/ sex toys. garbage cleanup day is coming. i hope they deport you to Cuba, so they can shoot you on sight for outstanding crimes against the people there.
Written by: dreamkiller, 28 Feb 2013 12:34 PM
From: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Fighting Joseans lunacy .Stop Guillermo the commie thief in 2016
Dread tries to compensate for his bisexuality yes he is bisexual .....he likes men and boys
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Feb 2013 1:14 PM
From: Jamaica
Dreadlocks,

You may be wasting your time trying to get a normal response out of Atabey. Now we know how the Haitians felt after they rid the Dominican side of slavery (for their own good) but the ex-slaves still sided with their Spanish colonialists (because they were lighter skin than the Haitians). You can defend their best interests until you are blue in the face but if it's not about money, it's about color and if it's not about color, it's about money...you can't win with some (I said some) of these Dominicans.

Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Feb 2013 1:30 PM
From: Jamaica
Imagine, if in the US, a light skinned mother were to call her dark skinned little daughter "blackie" like the Dominicans call their daughters "negra". What is seeded in a deep history of racism has somehow been converted to terms of endearment. Just like the word ni&&er being phrased as "my ni&&er" in order to desensitize the effect. Some Dominicans have alot to learn about themselves and that starts with the truth. Who are you? What parts make up your whole self? Do you hate some parts and love other parts (parts of your makeup and heritage). Do you deny the parts of yourself that may be looked by whites and Europeans as inferior? Or is it an inert inferiority that makes you want to project (by any means necessary) a false image of superiority; based on shades of black?


Not an attack just getting real.
Written by: Atabey, 28 Feb 2013 1:33 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Batty boys in tandem. LOL


I see Josea has another name, now he's fat, how many does he have in all?

:)



Dream,

It's interesting to see Dready only remembering parts of his mentor's major policies. He could not remember Manley's political views concerning the Soviet Block, for instance!

How he, Dready, could not recall that Manley thought Soviet leader Brezhnev represented progress in the world!


Sad Batty Dready, go take some more FITINA.


Written by: generoso, 28 Feb 2013 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
The pirate times of Francis Drake, Henry Morgan and Blackbeard are long gone.
Dominicans should all be proud of the cannon shot fired by President Medina, refusing to just meekly take orders from the good old boys, and proposing to sit down in the negotiations table, without haughty sectarian conditions and without trying to force feed positions, and conduct bullying power pulses.
Not coincidentally, the U.S., Canada and England reject contracts that include fiscal stability clauses, in all mining or petroleum agreements.
The DR and Barrick Gold are supposed to be partners, and they should act as such and both receive equal shares of the profits.
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Roy Said:

"There are plenty of other countries Barrick can invest in, but if the DR pisses them off, no other mining company will come, the Dominican gold will stay in the ground, the country will continue to plummet into the abyss, and very few around the world will notice or care."

I though you where smarter than that.

Up until now, I read your posts with the utmost respect, thinking there was some substance in you.

ROY, YOU ARE A DONKEY !!!!


It is (((GOLD))) we are talking about here.

The most sought after precious metal on earth.

The metal that gives the only true value to money.

If Barrick leaves, others will flock like migratory birds to DR, to make a deal.

And as far as the abyss, JAJAJAJA.

The Dominican economy has been growing steadily without that gold.

If you haven't noticed, the worlds economy is taking a twist and a turn.

Poor countries are becoming rich such as China, Dubai, Chile,

and rich countries like the US, Britain, Sp
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 4:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

chilliwestaziz Said:

"Now we know how the Haitians felt after they rid the Dominican side of slavery (for their own good) but the ex-slaves still sided with their Spanish colonialists (because they were lighter skin than the Haitians)"


It is a real pity that you as a black man, have inferiority complex.

You need some Psychology therapy, to help you overcome your low self esteem.

You are also an ignorant !!!










Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 4:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

chilliwestaziz

We Dominicans gain our first independence from Spain in December 2, 1821.

When Boyer and the Haitian combo, invaded our country, rather than liberate the black Dominicans.

What he actually did was to turn white Dominican into slaves, by imposing heavy tax burdens.

Jose Nunez de Caceres said to Boyer:

"Your people and my people are way to different for this to work out , before he left for Mexico."


Most white Dominicans fled the country.

Boyer also introduced many Haitians into our country, trying to make us all black.

But it backfired, because Boyer though that black Dominicans would identify with skin color.

Instead they identified with Spanish language and culture.


Today you and other black people, are making the same mistake that Boyer made then.

Still to this day, "YOUR PEOPLE ARE WAY TO DIFFERENT FROM MY PEOPLE",

to this day, black Dominicans still identify with the Spanish Language and culture.

Do you understand, PI
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 4:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Dominican

Language ------ SPANISH
Religion ---- Catholic
Culture ------- Spanish (mixed)
Race --- Mixed (A Rainbow)
Origin --- Spain, Europa, Middle East, Africa, etc. (A Rainbow)
Historic origins-- Spain
Music origins -- Spain (Mixed)



Haitian

Language ----- Africa (Creole)
Religion ---- Africa (Vudu)
Culture ---- Africa
Race ----- Africa(Black)
Origins --- Africa
History --- Africa
Music ----- Africa

Just to name a few .

Sorry willito

It won't work out.





Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 5:18 PM
From: United States
says Atabey


Sad Batty Dready, go take some more FITINA.

your mother never complains, so that is fine by me. as long as i have her 250 pesos, all is well with the world.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 5:29 PM
From: United States
says rokete


It is a real pity that you as a black man, have inferiority complex.

actually, having an inferiority complex is something which is characterized by the manifestations that you believe that you are inferior to other people. chilli is a Jamaican. that is not a problem that Jamaicans have. we have never felt that whites are superior, and better than we are. if you want to see someone who has that problem, talk to Atabey.
Written by: dreamkiller, 28 Feb 2013 5:48 PM
From: Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Fighting Joseans lunacy .Stop Guillermo the commie thief in 2016
Dread why do Jamaicans go so far out of their way to ape English culture and traditions.....magistrates in white wigs etc ....and when are you going to take your stinking arse back to Kingston the Dominicans are tired of your racist lamboniing BS.....now bugger off you wanker
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 5:50 PM
From: United States
at least, child molester, i can go back to Jamaica. and the USA. and anywhere i have beeen before. can your nasty dirtbag carcass go back to Cuba? how many warrants are there for your arrest, all over the caribbean?
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Feb 2013 6:04 PM
From: Jamaica
rokete,

You are in denial. It is the flaw that all racists like yourself show by default..like a tick or a tell in poker. Remember your little program of stupidity? Let me clarify things for you:

Language ------ SPANISH, although many over there don't speak it well
Religion ---- Catholic, but some 95% will not accept a drink or food without thinking that it has been laced with voodoo - large vente uno and santaria believers there
Culture ------- Spanish (mixed) yes mixed with African or maybe you feel that the dances that are performed today in the DR all originated from Spain or the cuisine like mangoo came out of Spain. Perhaps it is not closely related to fufu that originates from Western Africa
Race --- Mixed (A Rainbow)
Origin --- Spain, Europa, Middle East, Africa, etc. (A Rainbow) Nice of you to list Africa last and just before 'etc' - this is one of the tells of a racist...you just ticked!
Historic origins-- Spain...Oh, no indians in your race?
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Feb 2013 6:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Generoso says: "The pirate times of Francis Drake, Henry Morgan and Blackbeard are long gone.
Dominicans should all be proud of the cannon shot fired by President Medina, refusing to just meekly take orders from the good old boys, and proposing to sit down in the negotiations table, without haughty sectarian conditions and without trying to force feed positions, and conduct bullying power pulses. Not coincidentally, the U.S., Canada and England reject contracts that include fiscal stability clauses, in all mining or petroleum agreements. The DR and Barrick Gold are supposed to be partners, and they should act as such and both receive equal shares of the profits."

That's right, general. If these modern day Pirates/Buccaneers/Corsairs don't want a new deal, then they must be shown the door, not so politely. As our friend dread would say, "to the ocean with them".
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Feb 2013 6:21 PM
From: Jamaica
Music origins -- Spain (Mixed) I am sure those congo drums in your music did not originate in Spain; what do you think?



Haitian

Language ----- Africa (Creole) French is the first official language of Haiti, Creole is the second.
Religion ---- Africa (Vudu) Go to Haiti and you will find the catholic churches full of worshipers. Voodoo is very much in the minority there but it does exist.
Culture ---- Africa Yes, African plus French, German, Italian, American
Race ----- Africa(Black) 20% mixed/80% black
Origins --- Africa What about the Indians didn't they occupy Haiti before the Spanish, and before the slaves and before the French. Read about the Africans + Indians mixing to become maroons.
History --- Africa What about French history...remember that the Haitian revolution started because of a heightened feeling of independence born out of the French Revolution of 1789.
Music ----- Africa ....Play some Haitian music and the Dominicans are the first to start dancin
Written by: airgordo, 28 Feb 2013 6:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Feb 2013 8:38 AM
From: Australia
Yes, Ricky, there are a number of companies with what it takes to mine gold, but will they want to go to the DR if the government reneges on its contract with Barrick?
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LET me EDUCATE you a little but more, the contract HAS ALREADY BEEN REVISED to favor Barrick Gold, I REPEAT, this contract has ALREADY BEEN REVISED TWICE when it was purchased from PLACER DOME, so when it changed to favor the Company is OK, when is changed to favor the PEOPLE is Wrong...HOW does that looks like??

IF there was a FAIR retribution to the OWNER of the resource, this would not be an issue, that contract might be legal BUT IS NOT MORAL, the OWNER of the GOLD can not be receiving 3% OF IT"S OWN RESOURCE, understand that and you will GET THE POINT.

Ask your dominican Wife what this means:

LO MUCHO HASTA DIOS LO VE!!!
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Feb 2013 6:31 PM
From: Jamaica
rokete,

Do you have any idea what a world power and influence the caribbean could be? You are foolish and perpetuate the problem. Do you hear the Brits showing racism towards the Italians because they are not the fairer whites? All so stupid and counter productive. Dready is right, some of you guys are goofy as heck! No disrespect to the real goofy, or mickey, or donald for that matter...lol
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:14 PM
From: United States
says General

The DR and Barrick Gold are supposed to be partners, and they should act as such and both receive equal shares of the profits."

ABSOLUTELY!!! PARTNERS!!! when i sit down to play a game of dominoes, my partner is my equal. even if i am the better player (which i always am), if he has the better hand, i play my hand to let him win, and i expect him to do the same, when the situation calls for it. these North Americans and Europeans have got to be made to understand that if the paradigms of the 1950s have not changed, it is time for them to do so. we have to get out of this mindset wherein we thank these master types for small mercies. i was just talking to a buddy of mine who went to Santiago on Monday for a job interview at a major, reputable, call center in Santiago. starting salary? 60 pesos per hour!!! yes! 12 dollars per day!! high tech sweat shop!!. and what would our DT apologists say about that? you guessed it! it is better than nothing
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:21 PM
From: United States
so, they apply the same reasoning to places like Barrick. oh, be careful how you talk to massa, or he might get angry, and he and his friends will not be willing to do business with you in the future. f*ck that! Barrick Gold has one purpose in life, and that is to make money from mining gold. it is not Barrick Gold and Fine Automobiles and Big Screen TV Manufacturing Company. without gold ore, there is no Barrick Gold. so, they are just as dependent upon us as we are on them. besides, when the envcironmental degradation and disasters strike, they strike here, not in Ottawa. we have to deal with the consequences and fallout, whle their people express symbolic sympathy for people in Bonao who have lost their crops, and their health. it is time to call the bluff of these assholes. if that does not work, do what Salvador Allende did, and nationalize the mines. all of them. there is a long line of takers out there, willing to cut a great deal for mining rights
Written by: cibaeño75, 28 Feb 2013 7:21 PM
From: United States, New York City
Chill there is a tendency to play down the African influence amongst Dominicans..but your posts suggest a lack of understanding of certain nuances in Dominican history. For example, yes the Haitian occupation ended slavery on the Spanish side..but said slaves were VERY few in number indeed. What was initiated was an odious occupation that had few redeeming qualities and which has become one of the pillars that anti-Haitian sentiment has been built on.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:24 PM
From: United States
this is gold we are talking about, not coconut shells. it is one of the most precious, desirable things on earth. Barrick is here because they know it, and they want gold. well, let them pay a fair price, or pack up their mining equipment and go back to the Great White North. as Martin Luther King said "if you do not stand up for something, you will fall for everything". we have been falling before these devilish demi-gods for far too long. time has come to take a stand. go get 'em, Danilo.
Written by: cibaeño75, 28 Feb 2013 7:26 PM
From: United States, New York City
Is the contract unfair? That seems to be the consensus. But who is truly to blame, Barrick or the Dominican political class? From where I'm sitting the blame lies in the latter. This may turn out to be an extremely expensive lesson in civics as far as the Dominican people are concerned.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:33 PM
From: United States
cibaeno, you are right on that score. from all appearances, it seems that the goofballs in the DR government brought this upon themselves. then again, should a rich country stand on ceremony, because they are TECHNICALLY right, and refuse to do the fair thing, or should they ascend to higher moral ground, act like responsible and decent international citizens, and give the Dominican government another bite of the apple, in an attempt to secure a MORAL victory for both parties?
Written by: cibaeño75, 28 Feb 2013 7:43 PM
From: United States, New York City
Dread, c'mon. Barrick is a business. They're not in the game to gain access to heaven. Now if it's uncovered that they greased some pockets, then full steam ahead. If the people want heads go after the heads of those that sold them out. Put pressure on those that agreed to said contract. Might be we can uncover malfeasance by certain Dominican politicians and Barrick herself. Such revelations would be a win-win for the nation if followed through appropriately.
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 7:43 PM
From: United States
Blah...blah and more blah.

The contract is "Void".

Lets make a consensus of how much will be fare for any new agreement.!

DR owning the gold, I strongly suggest a 15%-85% would be fare.

Regardless any Capital Investment.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:53 PM
From: United States
cibaeno, i cannot find fault with your argument, as you make perfect sense. i am just an old idealist who has seen so much exploitation of weak countries by strong ones, i just would like to see the tables turned, a little bit. make no bones about it; some guys in the DR government are not sleeping too soundly in these moments.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 7:55 PM
From: United States
and just why is the contract void, Perception?
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 7:59 PM
From: United States
We need to ignore "sensitizing" comments like the ones expressed by Rokete.

I don't see the similarities of what is been discuss here. Except, just fishing in troubled waters.


You be the judge.
Written by: cibaeño75, 28 Feb 2013 8:00 PM
From: United States, New York City
I'm a lover of justice as well Dread. But it's a two way street. Those countries couldn't be exploited from abroad without local complicity from places up high.
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 8:00 PM
From: United States
DR. CEO said SO.!
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 8:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

chilliwestaziz

I just noticed in your comments, that trying to justify a union of Dominicans and Haitians,

you resort to lies to justify the impossible. Which tells me you are a dreamer.

Keep dreaming !!!!!
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 8:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Expell all illegal Haitian from Quisqueya !!!

LONG LIVE TRUJILLO MOLINA,

and his racist ways !!!

The Haitian Zombie !!!

Booooooooooooh !!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 8:33 PM
From: United States
Cibaeno, read this, please


In 2001 when the DR government invited tenders to continue work at the abandoned Palo Viejo mine the oz of gold was at about US$300. In 2006 when Barrick Gold carried out the feasibility study the price per oz of gold was ~US$580. At the end of 2008 beginning of 2009 when Barrick Gold started development of the mine, gold was at about US$800 oz. About 4 years later and roughly US$4,000,000,000.00 invested in the project now the DR government wants to renegotiate because the price of gold increased by a few order of magnitude. Isn't that nice. US$4 billion invested in anything other than Palo Viejo could rent 5% per year easy. The cost to produce an oz of gold is estimated at US$350-US$400 per oz. Barrick Gold took a well educated gamble and it will pay off for them, the DR government just needs to be content with their 3%. If the price of gold stayed close to the 2008 prices, Barrick Gold would be breaking just about even in about 17-20 years.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 8:36 PM
From: United States
if this is really the case, then Barrick simply did their homework, and we did not. that puts us in a bad situation. this is not good. i have to rethink my position, to a degree. i still think Danilo has to play his strongest hand, even though it is looking more and more like we screwed up, royally! that does not mean that we should go down without a fight, even if we lose. we cannot fold the tent and quit; not at this juncture.
Written by: rokete, 28 Feb 2013 8:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

chilliwestaziz

One last thing that you need to learn if you want to.

Haitians pride themselves in their African, heritage, including you.

Dominicans pride themselves in their Spanish heritage, including me.


You want to make all Dominicans black,

Boyer already tried and failed, so will you.


When I look at my father's face and see his brown hair and green eyes,

or my mother silky straight hair and pale white skin.

I know I am not Haitian.

And will never be Haitian, over my dead body.

I have the same feeling that Duarte had, when oppressed by Haitian occupation.

You want to insist on making the issue racial, there you go,

Then what, and so what ????????????

Keep dreaming !!!!

EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!

VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!!

and his racist ways !!!!!



Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 8:42 PM
From: United States
says rokete

Haitians pride themselves in their African, heritage, including you.

i always thought chill was Jamaican. rokete, they are two different countries, Haiti and Jamaica.
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 8:54 PM
From: United States
Whatever, I'm very sure I saw you skiin at Mt. Tremblant, Canada.


Like Marriage, it only takes one part to null, void, breach a marriage contract.

The only consequences for any party in this case DR and Barrik Gold would be the ones pre- established in the original contract.

If he believes his countryman are being screw, which I belive so, is his constitutional rights to declare null, voided or breach this agreement.

3%-97% speack for itself.
Written by: DRmaker, 28 Feb 2013 8:55 PM
From: Canada, North Coast DR
I had not been keeping up on this forum much for a long time.

As such I was wondering what had happened to bluturdsky. Was he not banned from DT for like the 19th time?

It did not take long for me to realize that his (latest) reincarnation is as 'dreamkiller".

I'd purpose a permanent ban for him, but that wouldn't stop him as he would reincarnate himself over again.

But the poor sot continually reveals his true identitty by spewing out his cyclical verbal diahrea .......and making references to "ice farmers" (WTF is that ?).

I say just ignore him. Everybody place him on their own personal "ignore list", and then maybe he will go away.

His only reason for existing is to come on to DT and try to drag others into his own hole of misery.

If he is ignored then he may shrivel up and rot - like a worm who comes out of the moist earth during heavy rain and cannot back into his hole after the sun has dried the earth.

Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 8:59 PM
From: United States
LOL.......


Whaoooo.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Feb 2013 9:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Do you know what the worst thing is, dread? That all those communiques and ads they're putting on the newspapers to supposedly "inform" the citizenry about what's (for them) the real deal will get to be discounted from the measly 3% that will correspond to the Dominican state if the current contract is upheld. Talk about adding insult to injury.
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 9:04 PM
From: United States
Rokete remains me this guy who played polo, that collects Trujilo stuff.

Hache.?
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 9:11 PM
From: United States
Sure, this is not about the weather.

Just a new Administration.!

Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 9:33 PM
From: United States
Nina Gold/berg?

Writes:

Nice Job developent at S.........?

I repply,

Welcome.!
Written by: Perception, 28 Feb 2013 9:35 PM
From: United States
By the way it's not secret who the founder of this media is.!
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 10:16 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, i am still here trying to wrap my head around the idea of a 97-3 split. i just cannot fathom this. as Cibaeno rightly states, we got sold down the river by our lamebrained politicos, and now Danilo has the task of having to try to dig us out of this hole.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Feb 2013 10:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
The funny (and sad, very sad) thing is that Josean actually fell short in his denunciation of the so called "Prince". So much scummy he ended up being, all things considered. I'd bet Margarita was seething inside when Danilo dared to stand up against something so dear to her hubby.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Feb 2013 10:49 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, especially since the guys might just play hardball, since Leo and the forty thieves probably got a nice cut to sign the agreement as it stands.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Feb 2013 10:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Even though I don't have any issue with the guy, I can't fathom how ohhhvictor can reconcile his opposition to Barrick with his love for Leo. Too much of a cognitive dissonance right then and there.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 28 Feb 2013 11:17 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

I wonder if Barrick is allowed to keep on digging, refining, and shipping our resources out of the country, while this conflict is being disputed.
If so, the miners can be expected to drag this on in court ‘till the gold is all but exhausted… Ten or so years, perhaps?.... Just a thought.
Written by: DRmaker, 2 Mar 2013 12:57 PM
From: Canada, North Coast DR
RonEvane:

"I wonder if Barrick is allowed to keep on digging, refining, and shipping our resources out of the country, while this conflict is being disputed."

One should not preoccupy himself with this. I am sure a compromise deal will be banged out between the two parties in short order.

There is somewhat of a precedence for this:

Several years ago the government of Alberta (a province in Canada) decided it wanted to increase the amount of royalties it was receiving out of the oil revenues from it's oil sands reserves. It went to the companies invested in the oil sands project (many of which are foreign) and told them they wanted to re-negociate for an increase in royalties.

Of course, some of the companies balked at this. But in the end, the Alberta government and the oil companies agreed on a deal to increase the royalties for Alberta.

And it is because of this that I believe a new deal - fair to both parties - can be agreed upon.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 2 Mar 2013 2:29 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

What, and no US warnings of "consequences"?.. I'd say Canada got lucky that the Yanks didn't impose an embargo for breach of contract!
Written by: DRmaker, 2 Mar 2013 3:37 PM
From: Canada, North Coast DR
RonEvane:

"What, and no US warnings of "consequences"?.. I'd say Canada got lucky that the Yanks didn't impose an embargo for breach of contract"

This was not an issue of a trade dispute between two countries. It was an issue between a government and independent companies from other countries (including Canada).

The government wanted a re-negociation of the deal with the companies to get a higher cut of the revenues.

I see similiarities from that matter to what is happening now between the DR govt. and Barrick....."same sh!t, different pile", so to speak.
Written by: TXinDR, 2 Mar 2013 3:47 PM
From: United States
Barrick has not yet benefited from today's high price of gold. They have invested an enormous amount of money in infrastructure, bribes, and political payoffs to reach this point and part of the deal was that they be allowed to recoup their investment first.. That is what turned an abandoned forgotten mine into thousands of jobs and a revitalization of the area that would otherwise be a plátano granja.

Dominican investors don't build world class resorts, golf courses, power plants, or mines of this scale. It takes a partner, a contract, and an investment environment that can be trusted. Take all the gold and throw the Canadians out......nationalize the mine and tear up the contract....good idea.

Born to lose.

Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 2 Mar 2013 4:29 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

DRmaker & TXinDR.

Most of us here, me included, haven't the foggiest as to what the contract stipulates, and what other terms, if any, may be construed as advantageous for Barrick.
This seemingly lopsided deal, where DR gets 3% of net profits, is what we think makes it unfair to us.
We, on this site may reconsider our position, if only we had access to the highlights of this contract.
I, being a Dominican, naturally side with DR. I may be wrong to think we're being shafted. And Barrick has every right to contests this and recoup its investments before contractually obligated to split profits in a more equitable manner.
I'll shut up and wait to know more, before venturing an opinion not based on facts.
Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Mar 2013 4:42 PM
From: United States
says TXinDR

That is what turned an abandoned forgotten mine into thousands of jobs and a revitalization of the area that would otherwise be a plátano granja.

thousands of jobs? for whom? are you aware that there have been incidents of near rioting in the area, because Dominicans get very few of the jobs there? the high level engineer types come from Europe and North America, and the mid level guys come from South America. the DR gets the low level scraps. nobody is pointing fingers, because it is likely that the Dominicans do not have the required skills to fill those positions. however, a little more accuracy, and a little less hyperbole, is a welcome thing at times.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2013 4:58 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: dreadlocks,"however, a little more accuracy, and a little less hyperbole, is a welcome thing at times."


Perhaps there is hope after all ! Dready are you going to take your own advice?




Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Mar 2013 5:08 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

Perhaps there is hope after all ! Dready are you going to take your own advice?

are you sure you understand the sentence? after all, some of the words have more than one syllable. naah...you have a Masters Degree, with unknown Honors, from a University yet to be named. talk about accuracy, and hyperbole. 3.9 GPA, Magna Cum Laude. how accurate is that?
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2013 5:50 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Dready,

All is not lost old goat, and with Spring fast approaching, why not smell the roses and think some positive thoughts.

Written by: Juansantodomingo, 2 Mar 2013 6:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It is curious that many of the voices in these forums who constantly rail against the corruption, incompetence and failed state condition of this country are eager to now engage in those very same things that they rail against. If you have no problem with the suggestion that this government should renege on a contract that it entered into with Barrick Gold, don't complain about the daily thievery that takes place within the various levels of government mismanagement of state funds. Reneging amounts to stealing in the same way that they renege on the Social Contract that the State has with the Dominican People.

If people feel that they have been duped, go after the carpetbaggers that negotiated on behalf of the Dominican State. Seize all their ill gained assets and set an example for future behaviour.
Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Mar 2013 6:25 PM
From: United States
says Atabey

Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2013 5:50 PM
From: United States, NYC

Dready,

All is not lost old goat, and with Spring fast approaching, why not smell the roses and think some positive thoughts.

i take that to mean you will stick to your hyperbole and inaccuracy. from GED to MA, Honors.
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