From: United States
Dont we have enough Haitians here already?
Written by: Atabey, 8 Feb 2013 11:20 AM
From: United States, NYC
Yes, but having them documented must be the next goal. First, to get a REAL count as to the numbers inside. Second, to finally commit to a policy of allowing ONLY THOSE gainfully employed by the Private sector to reside in DR while structuring a well balanced and humane re-repatriation scheme for those merely immigrating from the west as poverty dumping.
An organized and well documented policy will greatly advance future organization and control over this perennial problem for the DR and Haiti.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Feb 2013 11:36 AM
From: United States, NYC
MIGRACIÓN
La República 8 Febrero 2013
Incautan 400 visas falsas en frontera
El director de Migración, José Ricardo Taveras, fue entrevistado luego de participar en una ofrenda floral en el Altar de la Patria, con motivo del Mes de la Patria.
Katheryn Luna
Santo Domingo
El director general de Migración, José Ricardo Taveras, informó que han incautado en la frontera alrededor de 300 a 400 pasaportes con visas falsas en los últimos dos meses."
Written by: DomRat, 8 Feb 2013 12:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
A good start,. Now the Haitians and the padre have a benchmark for what is legal and how to go about it. Time to start checking the rest of the Haitians - construction sites on pay day and all street beggars would be my choices of where to start. I hope an ID card was issued at the time of the visa, at a fair charge. I am sure the padre's bank account coud make up for any short falls any deserving individual might have and surely the good father would do that for one of the poor God so loves. Wonder why they have to go through this miserable stage - I suspect re-incarnation - should get Rumsfeld and Bush down here alongside Bill Clinton, sorta a preview.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Most of the haitians that become citizens , quickly forget everything haitian and become dominicans .
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Most of the haitians that become citizens , quickly forget everything haitian and become dominicans .
From: Dominican Republic
hellborn: Dreamer. Even if a Haitian gets the Dominican nationality he'll always be a Haitian (for the Dominicans). You can observe that in a discussion when it comes to insulting: Always the first is "maldito Haitiano - maldita Haitiana". Very sad, but true.
Of course it's important to legalize the immigrants that are working. But they also should get the same wages then. And they should get paid at all, that there are no such shameful (for the Dominican Republic) incidents like what's happening at the consulate in Santiago.
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Is that Fu@#$ priest still at large ??
The simple solution is to:
DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Fuera Haitianos de Quisqueya !!!
From: United States
Rockete,
you fool, they can't swim, as most of the Dominican can't. So where they should go? Haiti right!!!
Quisqueya is the whole island, dummy!!!!!!
Written by: bernies, 8 Feb 2013 2:31 PM
From: United States, key west fl
Having them legalize means that now the government can collect taxes from those whom have a legit job.
From: United States, Brooklyn
So if anyone stages a mass protest they'll be allow into the country. That's pathetic and there will be consequences by these precedents we're setting.
From: Jamaica
We in Jamaica would like to offer a permanent visa to the beautiful Haitian Queen Sarodj Bertin.
We would also like to offer rokete a one day visa so we can get him as high as a kite, stuff him in a cannon, and shoot him back to Santo Domingo.
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 3:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
anbro2007
I know the whole island is Quisqueya !!
Thank you.
chilliwestaziz
You are another foreigner who is an illegal Haitian advocate, into our country.
Why don't you advocate to receive all illegal Haitians into Jamaica, and see how your compatriots react.
I will give you one month before other Jamaicans will hang you.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Written by: Atabey, 8 Feb 2013 3:51 PM
From: United States, NYC
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Publication: Journal of Social History
Date: Mar 22, 1998
In late March 1937, Cuban soldiers descended upon the sugar central Ermita in eastern Cuba and rounded up a "numerous contingent" of Haitian cane cutters who had been working in Cuba for years, including the "elderly" couple Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis. The soldiers "intimidated" the many haitianos who were "unwilling to go," transported all of them to a concentration camp in Santiago, and shipped them back to Haiti.(1) Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis thus found themselves in the midst of a massive deportation effort marked by "injustices" and "extortions" which had begun one month earlier.(2) The repatriation process proceeded at a rapid pace as the sugar harvest wound down. By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians; in con
Written by: Atabey, 8 Feb 2013 3:53 PM
From: United States, NYC
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Continue:
By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians; in contrast, only 253 British West Indian immigrants had also left the island.(3)
The events of the 1930s pose an intriguing question. During the first three decades of the twentieth century, as many as 600,000 Haitian and British West Indian workers migrated to the neighboring island of Cuba.(4) Most of these antillanos arrived as agricultural wage laborers, ready to cut cane in the sugar fields blanketing the easternmost provinces of Camaguey and Oriente; tens of thousands of them - Haitians and British West Indians together - still resided in Cuba during the mid 1930s.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Feb 2013 3:54 PM
From: United States, NYC
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Continue:
Clearly, however, Cuban authorities singled out the Haitian community for forced repatriation. In addition to the 1937 deportations, around 8,000 haitianos were expelled in 1933-34 and at least another 4,900 in 1938-39.(5) During this same period, a small number of British West Indians left Cuba, but all of them voluntarily.(6) Why, then, did Cuban government officials permit thousands of British West Indian immigrants to remain in Cuba, while at the same time they forcibly deported Elisa Dis, Enrique Francis, and nearly 38,000 other Haitians?
chilliwestaziz,
From: Jamaica
Perhaps you might care to read a bit further into this regional phenomenon.
I've got some stuff from Jamaica and the rest of the islands, too.
:)
From: Jamaica
Atabey,
You know, a person as intelligent as you upsets me when he/she provides these cursory 'tid bits' of historical data without explaining some of the dynamics that were in play during the times (of the occurrences that you mentioned).
Batista was a racist and a very good friend of Trujillos'. When Batista was overthrown, where did he run to? Yes, into the pig Trujillo's arms.
Since the 1930's, Trujillo was filling Batista's head with all kinds of negative things about the Haitian people with his powerful methods of persuasion. It was easy for Batista to join Trujillo's vision against the Haitians, he was already a racist towards people of African decent. Look closely at the dates. The Haitian expulsion started around 1933. Batista led the coup in Cuba in 1933 and came into power during this timeframe. Trujillo massacred the Haitians in 1937; the same year Cuba/Batista (Military Chief of Cuba) expelled numerous Haitian cane cutters. Connect the dots for yourself.
From: Jamaica
In the world today, leaders who are friends seem to share the same enemies. Cuba and Venezuela today are close friends and few would argue that they share the same feelings towards the US....We won't go there this time. The US and Britain almost always make each other's enemies their own. What makes you think that back in the 1930's, friends like Batista and Trujillo would not have developed the same type of 'enemy sharing' philosophy?
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 5:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz
Good observation !!!
Both Trujillo and Batista where great men of the era.
Both very cunning, both very patriotic, both very smart, both very anti illegal Haitian.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
VIVA LA CONFEDERACION ANTILLANA !!!
From: Jamaica
Do you feel the chill of Chilliwest; I always say it aziz!
From: Jamaica
Rokete,
They were also great back stabbers and Trujillo ended up stabbing Batista in the back, figuratively. One devil tries to get the other devil to love him when he needs help and gets extorted.....you can keep these patriotic pigs for yourself.
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 5:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz
The Confederación Antillana —or Antillean Confederation was the vehement idea of Ramón Emeterio Betances about the need for natives of the Spanish Greater Antilles to unite into a regional entity that would seek to preserve the sovereignty and well-being of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico.
Its main idea was to subsequently end European colonialism in the Americas as well as a response to the Monroe doctrine phrase America for the Americans, which Ramón Emeterio Betances changed into Antilles for the Antilleans. The main gathering point of the idealists was San Felipe de Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic.
Strong supporters of this idea:
Eugenio María de Hostos also known as The Citizen of the Americas
Gregorio Luperón hero of the Dominican Restoration War.
José Martí often referred to as The Apostle of Cuban Independence.
José de Diego
Ramón Emeterio Betances
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 5:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Que viva la Confederacion Antillana !!!
Viva Batista !!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
Expel all illegal Haitian from Quisqueya !!!
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Ya yo no tenga que cojle de la camiona ni tenga que deci peleji.
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 7:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz The Jamaican piti.
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
From: United States
Roket, my dear hermano? fear not, I am praying so your dream will become reality. Just cojer lo suave!!!
Only warning, after los Haitianos are gone and Dominicans play dominoes and drink mamajuana all days and do not farm the land. I ain't bringing los Haitianos back because they will have to obey your order "Fuera Haitianos de Quisqueya". So. those boys will be swiming in route to Florida; I will not be able to force them to make an about face.
No agua de coco en la mañana, just deal with it mi hermanito roketty!!!!
From: United States
my dearest hermanito silent,
bro, did you make it through first grade spanish? I know you must be broke by now; hope is on the way. tu escuela recognize your tenure in kindergarten was an injustice against humanity. Those five pesos that were spent for your kinder educacion is being refunded to you on behalf of the human race. that should get you one sip of cerveza!!! enjoy mi hermanito, se te pone boracho!!!!
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 7:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
Bill Clinton and Leonel Fernandez are no longer in power.
This is the chance of a life time for your Haitian compatriots to go to Miami.
Please close the door on your way out. We don't want you here, and won't need you.
We have been living for hundreds of years without Haitians, in Hispaniola.
Before the French brought you from Africa, and after throwing you out from Dominicana several times.
We know that you will come back again, but we will push you back out, again and again.
Your people should stop in Jamaican, and stay there on your way out of DR.
And
LONG LIVE TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
The Haitiano Zombie !!!
LOL
From: Dominican Republic
Rokete.....I pity such a closed mind. Should the US kick out all the illegal Dominicans??? How about kicked out of Canada...Germany...Spain... Trust me...there are a good % who have overstayed their "visitor" visas.
Where would all those remittances come from then???
Written by: rokete, 8 Feb 2013 9:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
PuntaCanaMike
Illegals are illegals here, the US, Canada, Spain and Argentina.
All illegals are to be deported.
If Dominicans are illegals any place in the globe, where do they belong ??
In Dominicana.
Deport them back to Quisqueya.
But this is MUCH more important:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
LONG LIVE TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
From: United States
hermanito roket ! Can I visit my abuelita in Puerto Plata? As a matter of fact, I am friend with a hermosita from Puerto Plata who happen to overstay her visit in Washington Heights. Can I visit her offsprings for her or should I tell her to buy a one way ticket to no return? no, I have a heart, she can stay. Hope she will go to school and make something good of herself. You lost me with the Clinton and Leo bit! Can you provide some clarification? By the way you owe me a list of upscale restaurants in Santiago, apart from the regulars around el momumento. During your clensing process, can you also ask los Haitianos like offsprings of TRUJILLO, Balaguer and gen Lilis to start swiming to Miami and also the remaining Family members of the half breed haitianos who help with the resturation. You know, you and I need to clean the house. No haitianos left behind. Are you hidding anyone from your haitiano side of the family under your bed? We can't have that. "Fuera Haitianos de Quisqueya".
Written by: saru2191, 8 Feb 2013 11:39 PM
From: United States
I see someone here mentioning the Dominican migrated populations elsewhere around the world with the intent of implying we're no different than the Haitians in DR....really? Some of the reasoning people use here to desperately defend illegal Haitian migration in DR is just stupid. The biggest Dominican diaspora anywhere in the world is the one in the US, and the Dominican migrants here contribute to only 0.4% of the overall American population. That's not even 1%. Now take into consideration that the illegal Haitian population makes up 20% or the population in DR, can you ever compare the two? I'm sure you guys know simple math and are capable of grasping this information, but maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Written by: rokete, 9 Feb 2013 12:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
This is what I have to say to your nonsence.
VIVA TRUJILLO THE HAITIAN ZOMBIE !!!
From: United States
@ Jamb, and the rest of the ILLEGAL Haitian sympathizers:
i see nothing wrong, bigoted or morally reprehensible in Rokete's comments , and I quote:
"Expel all ILLEGAL Haitians from Quisqueya " key word here being ILLEGAL. The US and EU expel illegal and even legal Dominicans who run afoul of the law with impunity or reproach. We as a SOVEREIGN, let me repeat that unintelligible word for you, S O V E R E I G N nation have the right ,duty and responsibility to our children and future generations of Dominicans to protect our lands, environment, education, health system and economic viability of the nation. An influx of 20% of the nation's population of a single ethnic or national group would threaten the hegemony of the country within a generation. That many people will always constitute a fifth column in the nation. Those that are in DR with legal documents and visas are welcomed to stay and become part of the varied fabric of life that is the Dominican Republic.
From: Jamaica
Saru,
You seem to have a little more sense than your fruitfly compatriot Rokete. What you seem to ignore is the demand aspect. The Dominican rich have invited these Haitians in. Illegal Dominicans in the US were not invited in. Similar to the illegal Mexicans in the US, the illegal Haitians fill a gap in the workforce that nationals do not want to be a part of. Illegal Dominicans in the US prefer criminal careers to agricultural ones. There are benefits having Haitians in the DR but there are no benefits to the US having Dominicans in their country, rich or poor.
From: Jamaica
Rokete,
The US has more Mexican illegals today than yesterday. The DR has more illegal Haitians today than ever before....you are losing because your own rich are working against you. Are you such an airhead that you can't see this?
Written by: danny00, 9 Feb 2013 10:31 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
A good start,. Now the Haitians and the padre have a benchmark for what is legal and how to go about it. Time to start checking the rest of the Haitians
GOOD COMMENT..... NOW LETS GET THIS SAME GOOD START FOR THE DOMINICANS U KNOW THAT A BOAT LEAVES EVERY F%&*ING DAY FOR PUERTO RICO AND OTHER PORTS TRYING TO GET INTO THE STATES....
BENCHMARK FOR WHAT IS LEGAL... U GUYS LEAD THE THE GANG WHEN ITS COMES DOING THINGS THE WRONG WAY......
BENCHMARK MY A............
Written by: danny00, 9 Feb 2013 10:38 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
s o v e r e i g n nation have the right ,duty and responsibility to our children and future generations of dominicans to protect our lands, environment, education, health system and
and look what the dominicans have done in the states and other countries they have travel to.
the jails like rikers island are full of dominicans they treat ther host countrys and people as... 'prey"
f%&*ing joke with your comment.. guy.....
section *8... food stamps....... free meds for the taking...... while most of u are off the radar......and give nothing back to their host country...... nothing... worthless....... trouble makers with out an education.... only u bring trouble with u when u come... and this comment is from a dominican man......
capt danny00.. the dr is not far from beging like the congo....
Written by: danny00, 9 Feb 2013 10:42 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
u guys break every rule in the book... the same book u guys cant even read....
even the ball players lie and cheat...... even the doctors like salomon melgen.. rob and cheat... even the dominican nannys are killers....
this is what u do the best.......
not one f%&*ing invention to credit to this country of the dominican republic.....not one..... do nothing worth less people....
lots of talk.... but going no where in the real world.....
Written by: danny00, 9 Feb 2013 10:44 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
your people that work in the so-called government have girl friends that are 12-14y olds..... these are the same low-lifes that run the country of the dominican republic?.......
pimps and crooks........
choo choo
all aboard the pimp and drug dealers express.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Great, now let us proceed with deporting all the illegals. Legalize those with stable employment and send the rest back. It is time we bring order to our country. Let us respect the law and let a strict code of ethics and laws be our bible.. If we don't fix our mess, no one else will and worst of all if we stand idly by while everything turns to chaos then what will be left for our children?
From: United States
venga y roket,
20% is a little on the high side!! Not a sympathizer but a realist!! maybe none of you understand the dynamic of the law of nature? let me bring to more of an elementary level, my apology for Commiserating at a level?. What we are observing is the result of two 1/3 countries in the same island. just to shade a bit of light when someone says Haiti, he/she is really saying PAP. The remaining of the western side of the island is virtually unexplored. PAP is a huge slum. I saw plan to build 5 international airports in Haiti and projects for several autopistas construction, that is if those padrons will not pocket the cash as usual. thus, the 20% exodus you are experiencing in DR is a result of equilibrium. If you have no clue about the natural law of equilibrium, we can have a separate discussion on that topic? I need one small favor from those bright minds of DT. You saber rattling will solve nothing and their is no solution in sight. Nature will always win.
Written by: rokete, 9 Feb 2013 2:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
hernandez5482
This is exactly why I am making Dominicans aware, that we have to put a stop to this Haitian invasion.
Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border.
Their idea is that we are all the same.
This is not new, it is a plan, that between France, Canada , and the US, tried to impose on Balaguer.
The idea is to make the whole island hegemonic.
Because in their idea we are all black, share the same island, share the same history, we need them, they need us, etc, etc.
Balaguer, refused adamantly to permit a refugee camp in the border, to avoid the same fate.
He also, did not permit Pena Gomez in power, because Pena was going to permit the refugee caps.
The US solves the problem of Haitians invading Florida, by forcing us to take them here.
Leonel, is the US ass kisser that permitted them here, and Hipolito did nothing about it.
From: United States
Hernandez, i am with you and venga and roket!! lets put all the BS aside. Schedule your massive deportation and let me know when I will be there to land a hand, even a foot and elbow. Now don't just hide behind your keyboard and talk mierda. I am giving you a chance to make good. I am a bit bit surprise how shallow the brightest minds of DT are?? To say pathetic would be an understatement! My position is not a defending Haitianos position and I am aware those bright minds cannot hold the candor of any intellectual debate and will result to some nagative Haitiano repuestos. But it is just fine with me, if you do not have a mind, i cannot ask you what's the hell is the matter with you. it is not a question of mind over matter.A kindergarten question to any of the brights. Any of you ever ask yourself H&DR is on the same island? Maybe a bit too complex for the brights to ponder? I bet none of you has the slightest idea where I am going with this one? hey, don't let me see you sweat.OK?
Written by: rokete, 9 Feb 2013 2:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
hernandez5482
If we don't take action even if it requires to be into our own hands,
If we don't demand from our politicians that the Haitian problem is of national priority,
If we don't expel Haitians illegals from our country now,
We are leaving our children without a country.
Our generation will carry the burden for being complacent, and doing nothing about it.
But in my case, it will not happen because I sat around to see it, and did nothing about it.
Some in this forum have called me xenophobic and racist, because I am patriot that want to protect his country.
I couldn't care less, what you call me. So you can all start your insults right now.
Meanwhile I am working on influencing some of the politicians friends, that have a say on this issue.
and remember to:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
From: United States
roket, did balaguer, el haitiano, adamant guntlet prevent 20% exodus? Is he spinning in his grave?
What is your Balaguer point? Please tell me!!! Also, I have a family member in Montreal by the last of Chevalier whose pushing 100. As a birthday gift, I will transmit your "EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!! VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!" to her.
Written by: rokete, 9 Feb 2013 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois,
"Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border."
Wouldn't that be great for you ?? That is what brings you to this forum, isn't it ??
You are simply another Haitiano, of the ones that I mentioned in my previous post.
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
LOL
From: United States
That's where you and I diverge. I am simply trying to make you understand what we have now in the island is a result of nature trying to reach equilibrium. I don't need either Haiti or DR. I can do well and have done well in any of the two and doing excellent here in the good old USA. There is nothing DR can offer as far as making a name and profession for myself. All I need from DR are those beautiful hermositas to keep me warm; their is a particular charm about them no one can find in any other palce on earth. It is not intellectually enhencing for me to try to force you to comprehend, but I will say one last time. You and all the other pseudo brights here in DT and Haiti and DR will not solve any intra-Quisqueya problem. However, i want to point one small thing to you and the brights, promise I will remove any complexity out of my comment. Even with its barren land which has fallen prey to charcoal mauraders, once outside of PAP, the country side is a breath taken natural beauty.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Although I am sympathetic towards Haiti for all that has happened, I firmly believe that we can assist without compromising our own stability. You see, most of our ills come from our inability to respect and obey the laws of the land. I believe we can handle say half a million Haitians with the proper documentation and accountability from the part of the government. If you live and work here then you must contribute by paying a fair share of taxes. Please remember that we are a developing nation struggling to better our society, but this may prove an impossible task if we continue to allow the flow of illegal immigrants. I blame our government for this because we should have better control of our side of the border. Haiti Is largely to blame for its current situation, since their independence their ability to govern themselves has gone downhill. A few rich families control 90% of the wealth.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
So the international community has to assist Haiti to develop a system of sustainability. But Haitians have to help themselves by using the funds allocated by the international community properly. Somehow the US, Canada and France expect us to bear the burden, this is not fair.
From: United States
hernandez, it's 99% not 90%!! trust me I know, the devil speak with fork tongue!!!! Do not understimate the 1%, they understand the system. All they care about is having access to the loot from IMF and make sure they have complete control of its distributions. Thus, the 1% in control always make sure the remaining 99% blame the rest of the world for their shot coming. Each time the international community is involved in any type of development in Hait the 1% always sabotage the process because any development in haiti will affect their control of the yearly loot from IMF. i am aware of some good projects from martelly; I never thought a vulgar musician would be more competent than his predecessors. One thing that is promising is the international community has reach its donor fatigue level and is willing to do themselves as oppose to giving the funds to those thieves. I am not throwing my hat in martelly's corner yet Haitians have a track record of one step foward and 20 backwards.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
We also have corruption to deal with in DR, it is perhaps our biggest obstacle, but Haiti has no precedents.
I keep asking myself this question all the time and it seems there is no easy answer.
Why is it that most of the former colonies are such a mess?
There are only a few exceptions in Latin America..
It all comes back to education, we still have the same colonial mentality...
If we don't work to educate our people, we will always be what we are now... Banana Republics...
From: United States
I get a lot of flak from haitian when i state my view. first mistake was the killing of the 30, 000 whites after the war. second not mixing, it is impossible for a black former french colony to survive in the middle of fromer british and spanish colonies. haiti should have looked away from Africa after the war, until now the sub-sahara africa is a mess and nothing in term of development to offer. the ruling class in Haiti has always been the lighter skins, that the way the world was and still is. third, two idiomas with the majority speaking a dialect which serves no academia purposes. british and spanish maintain a relationship with, some what of a relation, former colonies. stupid french only care about making speeches and toast. as a result, you have an isolated country with corrupt, too corrupted, politician as long as their pockets are align the country can smell like piss and excrement, they care less.
From: United States
continue
But to get back to my point, the existing infra-Quisqueya issues have been on the table for more than 200 years without any resolution. trujilo did not solve it, balaguer did not solve, not solution in the horizon. What is next?
From: United States
"There's a light that never goes out."!!!!!!!"
Imagine.!
Written by: rokete, 9 Feb 2013 9:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
This is what is next:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
As long as Haitians continue to run from their problems in Haiti, your problems will continue indefinitely.
Haitians want Dominicans, French, USA, anyone to solve their problems, because your people don't want to take responsibility for their own fate.
Haitians problems are to be resolved in Haiti, not here.
Your people rather run, than to confront your problems in Haiti.
From: United States
Danny you are a selfhaitying (sic) individual. I've told you before, just because you grew up in an urban slum with lowlifes of various ethnic and nationalities, doesn't give you the authority to generalize about any group. You complain about us generalizing Haitians and yet you do about us constantly. BTW do us all a solid and never call yourself a Dominican again.
You seem to relish highlighting any negative news about us (the nanny, drug arrests - the only criminal activity you ever mention in the vast criminal enterprises of Dominicans, professional athletes accused of using PED's) and you never mention with a true Dominican's pride all the far outnumbering good qualities, actions and triumphs of Dominicans worldwide.
Reaching the peak in the fashion industry by Oscar de la Renta
In Hollywood by Zoe
Clean professional all-star players like Albert Pujols, Robinson Cano, Pedro Martinez, Vladamir Guerrero
The Dominican kids who saved a baby from a fire.
Just shut up 1/
From: United States
Jamb my man,
You said a whole lot of truths regarding Haiti's social political developement.
The massacre of the 20,000 -30,000 white french colonists (I don't condone, but I can understand, just wasn't prudent or moral) set in motion an international backlash especially in European dominated America which left Haiti isolated while still being beseiged by the French. The exhorbitant indemnity of the bribe Haiti had to pay to break this isolation has crippled the developement till this day.
I am an admirer of the Haitian revolution and its participants. This admiration is tempered by the Haitian invasions to my country. I still admire Touisant, Henri (his massacres in Moca, Santiago, etc. Were reluctantly done under orders from the savage Dessalines who destroyed his heroic revolutionary legacy in a bloodthirsty vengeful "white people" murdering spree.
Him we cannot forget or forgive. You people idolize him. There will never be unity.
From: United States
Deism!!!!!!!!
Mr. Piere.
From: United States
As far as there being an intra-Quisqueya issue still unresolved for 200 yrs., I have to disagree with you on that my brother from another mother. The issue is unresolved on most Haitians' part. We resolved that issue ( THE ISLAND IS TWO AND THERE IS A CLEAR DIVISION AND NATIONAL BORDER) back in 1844 and reiterated that resolve on our part to be free and independent from your "enlightened" leaders in 1846, 1848, 1852, 1856. We had hope the point would have been made clear. Unfortunately thru US intervention thousands of Haitians slowly but steadily migrated east. This was not an opportune time to test our resolve to remain separate as an Anti-Christ to Hatians and Dominicans alike was slowly assuming power. This was approximately 100 yrs since the start of the conflicts. This culminated with the massacres of 1937. Here we are almost 100 yrs since the Yankees first showed up. Many look at this as the centennial invasions from Haiti. I hope we don't have to do this again in 2121
From: United States
Are you willing to die for what you believe because i am.
From: United States
Are you talking to me Perception? What are your beliefs? Are you referring to my comment that the isle is TWO and DIVISIBLE? Yeah. I will die fighting for that . I ever hear of Hatians going on a rampage in any Dominican town and I will be coming home for good. I will leave house wife and kidsl.
Written by: xwill7, 10 Feb 2013 2:00 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Many on this site could work now
Written by: danny00, 10 Feb 2013 10:10 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
lynch them? they are no good..... right?
s........ in new york city the jails are full of haitians, rape murder, sell drugs, shoplift.... ladies of the night...... bad people..... they are......
now look at the difference with us dominicans.... peace loving hard working people just look at the dr...... we built all of the new hotels and homes....condos in santo domingo..... we get up at 5am so we can go work in the sugar cane fields......... haitians will not do this type of work would they?
hey! in new york city the feds even have a free ride {plane} each month taken the no-good haitians back to their country after they are released from the jails in new york....
lynch them high i say.....
choo choo
all aboard iam ready to die for what i believe in. express.
Written by: danny00, 10 Feb 2013 10:14 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
written by: perception, 9 feb 2013 11:00 pm
from: united states
are you willing to die for what you believe because i am.
hey! if u do this.... die..... u will not get your section 8.... food stamps and free meds and schools for u and your kids....{and u can still be able to sell your drugs and shoplift..}.
please dont die..... the world will miss u... look at all the good u have done in this world..... u knowin the world u have on 166st???
f&*%ing joke.....u are...
Written by: danny00, 10 Feb 2013 10:18 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
You seem to relish highlighting any negative news about us (the nanny, drug arrests - the only criminal activity you ever mention in the vast criminal enterprises of Dominicans, professional athletes accused of using PED's) and you never mention with a true Dominican's pride all the far outnumbering
WHAT GOOD NEWS? THE BALL PLAYERS THAT LIE AND CHEAT? THE NANNY KILLERS?
THE DRUG DEALERS.... U HAVE ANY GOOD NEWS FROM ANY WHERE?
WHAT THE F....K DID THEY DO FOR ANY ONE BUT THEMSELFS?
VERY FEW GOOD DOMINICANS... FEW AND FAR BETWEEN....
NOSE PICKERS AND PIMPS.....TTAKE A GOOD LOOK AT RIKERS AND ALL CAN SEE.
From: United States
Roket, Venga! I probably have been to DR more than the two of you put together. It always amazes me when Dominicans believe or choose to amnysially think one person running around with a revolver is an imposing force to a well equipped military power. Run back all you want you will be one dead SOB on the sidewalk with your machete on your side. Do you guys have any idea between real and idea. One last time nature will always reach equilibrium!! Granted DR has been valiant fixing the country, but my hal-brothers, I have been in places in DR that the powers be have totally forgetten the existence of those poor Dominicans living in deplorable conditions. And after a short drive from those deplorable conditions is a well kept country for tourism. Let me tell you an interesting encounter that I had with a few half-DR hermanos at a place I usually go to listen to bachata and salsa. Because I am hal haitiano, those suckers actually belive their are superior to me while they are uneducated,
From: United States
continue
earn well below minimum wages and reside in a sinfull crime ridden section of town, those SOBs actually think their inherited a superior position in the USA. I had to stop frequenting that local, though I miss the music (bachata and salsa), I had to evaluate reality vs. idealogy. I am with zero financial issue, well educated, earn well over 100K. I Had to ask myself, I do not have any misery to keep company. The sad part about it, they speak vociferously about DR superiority and Haitianos inferiority, they cannot even articulate the spanish idioma and those pudgy belly women dragging 50 kids through the cold streets with their EBT card (money from tax) trully believe they are good representations of DR.
From: United States
Venga, I am an admirer of the hermositas Mocanas and I have been treated well during all my visits. I wish they would stop selling those expired pharmaceutical products to the locals. However, it's a good place to take a well behave humble young lady shopping. I hope to be there soon!!! The Henri Christophe deal is an unfortunate soil spot in history, wish it never happened. I admire henri as the builder of the eighth wonder of the world, though a bloody project. I also resent his killing of Capois la mort since my father was born in Port-de-Paix and Capois was the only well discipline hero who was against pilage and prevent the half 9th brigade from committing post revolution atrocity. Henri should not have carried Dessalines order to kill Capois which Port-de-Paix is still holding against le Cap. In the annals of history, they wll never be another capois
From: United States
One republic! Next question!
From: United States
Jarabacoa, hope the BBQ at corazon de jesus on the hilly side is still as tasty has ever. You've ask, One republic! Next question!??? right???
what do you know about the natural law of equilibrium or 2LOT??? think about it!!!! nature will always reach equilibrium and does not care about who will be affected. And nature has no sense of discriminating between skins, well organized and poorly managed side of the island!!! think about it!!!!!
Written by: rokete, 10 Feb 2013 2:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
Dreaming is free, dream on.
From: United States
20% is a dream?? nightmare is costly!!! I need not to dream; my bread is done. It's out of the oven!!!
I am secure in all my daily endeavours; I love a good dream. Promise, I will not share your nightmares!! If I were in your shoes, I would have remove those millions fo Haitianos by now, I am a man of action. I guess you need to vent in order to reduce your pains!!!! Your tenure on earth will be measured by your accomplishments, not by likes and dislikes and blowing hot air with nothing to prove. My last warning, if those reconstruction plans outline in the prime minister of Haiti website come to fruition? No winning from you when the land is dry and agriculture is none exist, those Haitianos are back in Haiti and lazy Dominicans are not farming.
From: Dominican Republic
Very sad to read that much of racist idddiots.
Very funny: Deport all illegal Haitians from Quisqueya!
What is Quisqueya? Only the Dominican Republic?
As I said: Very sad!
Written by: saru2191, 10 Feb 2013 4:29 PM
From: United States
chilliwestaziz, you seem to be grasping at straws in an attempt to justify your argument.
"The Dominican rich have invited these Haitians in. Illegal Dominicans in the US were not invited in." The illegal Haitian were not invited, just because a few members of the elite enjoy exploiting them for their own benefits, it doesn't mean anything. These people are deported from the DR on an often basis, that far from being invited 'invited'. That nullifies the second part of your argument in that sentence.
"Similar to the illegal Mexicans in the US, the illegal Haitians fill a gap in the workforce that nationals do not want to be a part of." It's not that Dominicans don't want do these jobs, it's that these undocumented Haitians provide an inexpensive, easily exploitable workforce that Dominicans citizens can't compete against.
Written by: saru2191, 10 Feb 2013 4:45 PM
From: United States
"Illegal Dominicans in the US prefer criminal careers to agricultural ones." The Dominican diaspora in the US is not perfect, but this is a desperate exaggeration on your part. I question if you've even been to the DR. It's not like all these Haitians are honest hard working people as you're trying to portray them as. Many build shacks on owned land, are homeless street beggars, and yes, many cause crime and are partially responsible (if not entirely) for the increase of crime in the DR. I've seen it myself, these criminal delinquent groups in DR often consist of 2 or 3 Haitians and 1 Dominican.
"There are benefits having Haitians in the DR but there are no benefits to the US having Dominicans in their country, rich or poor."
Another desperate and baseless argument on your part. The Haitians don't benefit anyone but the elite who exploit them. Their social and economical burdens to the DR and it's people outweigh their benefits.
From: United States
Saru, you have reached and stoop to a low point. That arguement is so tasteless even hard core racist dominicans have shy from it, haitians=crime. just go to santiago cerca la sirena, you will find a dominican master seargent and his cronys exemplefying criminality in DR. now, i am in proximity of a majority dominican town here and every weekend is the same old story, they shoot and stab each other over nothing. jails are fill to capacity with dominican criminals, is that a haitian thing or crminals are criminals regardless of the location. at least here competition is more or less equal and fair. have you check the alcade of lawrence massachusetts and the existing problems in providence rhode island, both run by dominicans. the feds was thinking about taking over providence to salvage the city from corruption, again is that a haitian thing or criminals of a feather flog regardless of the location? why do dominicans allow lowest rung of Haitian's society to influence them into crime?
From: United States
countinue,
street beggars with no rights under the law cannot be removed? don't say it too loud, you are weakening your arguement. I myself want all street begars removed without any consideration, you go to any country, work or get the hell out. maybe the local police received a divident from those beggars?? that is what one of them told me around hotel mercure near zona colonial!!!! lets fix the equation since we have more than one variables. dr police=crooks=haitians beggars=crime, solve all the unknown!!!
From: United States
I suggest all to read "Rights of Man" by Thomas Paine.
Only a cruel God makes cruel mans.
Stop the hate God loves you.
Written by: rokete, 10 Feb 2013 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
Haitians are masochists that escaped french slavery, to become voluntary slaves for Dominicans.
I pity you and your people, because your people have no shame, and no honor.
They rather be Dominican slaves, than to fight for their own destiny, in their own country.
As long as Haitians keep running from confronting their problems in Haiti, the results will always be the same.
Haitians are and always will continue to be, slaves wherever they go.
Written by: saru2191, 10 Feb 2013 9:19 PM
From: United States
jambdebois if you're stupid enough to misread my comment and blow it out of proportions then maybe you deserve to be offended. I agreed that there are hard working Haitians in the DR, but to sugar coat things and act this is the mentality of the whole population is BS. Most of these Haitians had very little back home, and the earth quake took away what little they had. These Haitians crossed the border to DR in hopes of finding work only to discover even in DR there's very little, if not nothing, for them. How do you think these people get money and feed themselves? Many rob and steal, it's just an unfortunate fact that's what many have to do given their circumstances. I never said Haitians=crime, learn to read. There's always been criminals in DR, but the increase of illegal Haitians has increased crime rates. Oh, I'm sure you in proximity of a majority Dominicans as you claim. I'll just ignore that bit of BS since its just about your hurt feelings over putting words in my mouth.
Written by: rokete, 10 Feb 2013 9:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Expel all illegal Hatians from Quisqueya !!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
The Haitian Zombie.
BOOOOOH !!!
Written by: rokete, 10 Feb 2013 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!
Dime perejil ahi !!
Peleji .
LOL
From: United States
saru, a light weight like you cannot offend me! here is a copy and paste of your own words. Many build shacks on owned land, are homeless street beggars, and yes, many cause crime and are partially responsible (if not entirely) for the increase of crime in the DR. I've seen it myself, these criminal delinquent groups in DR often consist of 2 or 3 Haitians and 1 Dominican. maybe you do not understand the meaning of entirely, but its ok, i feel your pain. Afraid of Haitian mafia??? cry baby!!!
roky, stop complaining and enjoy the slave services, those boys are accustomed to endenture services from their own people. just sleep with one eye open (coupe tete boule caille, the slave creed). I am sorry, can't be mean to you because you are so sensitive. Or maybe you should visit the Haitian brothels in Haiti which give new meaning to shame!!!!! just stating the factual shame!!! don't kill the messenger, it is not my message but your own!!!!
From: Haiti
Brothels in ayiti or bocachica in dominiken?
Written by: rokete, 11 Feb 2013 2:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jambdebois
Cojle piti que pol ai viene la camiona !!
Dime perejil ahi !!
Peleji .
LOL
From: United States
roket
I am running as fast as I can, hope el camion has a flat!!
perejil.....pelejil......parsley, as long i am not late for dinner!! you can call it carrot if you please. Now, where is the dam restaurants list??? I must admit, there are a few things that I admire about VIVA TRUJILLO CHEVALIER de MOLINA a la el Haitiano. he understood, once removed out of africa, it is not advisable to remain african (geo-survival).
saru,
thighten up your leather, i can see crocodile tears running down your face. this ain't no place for the frails and weaks. words of advise, don't worry about anybody's feeling (lame approach). Stick and jab, just remember, if you go below the belt? you will be open to a fatal left hook to the jaw!!!
welcome to the thunder-dome!!!
From: Jamaica
"I question if you've even been to the DR." Saru
Saru could not be more wrong. He tries to pick apart my argument line by line but he knows that I am right about what I am writing. I once took two years off from work lived in several locations (my uncle owns homes in all locations and keeps them as vacation homes). You probably have never heard about Jamaica Broilers Group but let's not go there; not necessary. St. Barts, West Palm Beach, and the METRO COUNTRY CLUB, JUAN DOLIO!!!!!!! I spent months there and I travelled throughout the DR. Of course, I hated leaving the metro since it seemed like everybody was on the take (crooks everywhere)..Much more in your face than Jamaica. Always a sad story followed by a request for help. It amazed me that Haiti (yes, I drove there a few times from the DR) that has far less infrastructure and much less money has far fewer beggars..
From: Jamaica
Amazing that you probably never went to Haiti because you would probably find what I found out. There seems to be more Haitian beggars around the capital of the DR than in Haiti. I know you don't believe me but you will have to take my word for it since you Dominicans spend your vacations travelling around the DR. BORING!!! I played golf and tennis alot in the DR since lessons are so damn cheap. Besides the Metro and Casa de Campo, I played tennis in Santo Domingo directly across the street from the McDonald's around Arroyo Hondo. MCD's is on the right and the courts are down the road on the left side of the intersection if you are travelling north. Don't get me started. I know more about the DR, Haiti, and around 80% of the caribbean islands than most of you guys. I've actually been to them!
From: Jamaica
Haitians growning rice in Bonao, growing sugarcane between La Romana and Higuey, growing mellons on the road to Hato Mayor (very bad road, I blew a tire on one of the potholes there). The road to Ramon Santana is better. The drive up to Jarabacoa is nice but if you drive down that hill too fast, you can easily lose control of your car. The New Year's eve gathering by the park is nice there. The girls there have nice faces but horrible bodies. The girls in Bani have nice faces but skinny legs. I know your country.
Written by: rokete, 11 Feb 2013 2:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz
This is exactly why I am making Dominicans aware, that we have to put a stop to this Haitian invasion.
Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border.
Their idea is that we are all the same.
This is not new, it is a plan, that between France, Canada , and the US, tried to impose on Balaguer.
The idea is to make the whole island hegemonic.
Because in their idea we are all black, share the same island, share the same history, we need them, they need us, etc, etc.
Balaguer, refused adamantly to permit a refugee camp in the border, to avoid the same fate.
He also, did not permit Pena Gomez in power, because Pena was going to permit the refugee caps.
The US solves the problem of Haitians invading Florida, by forcing us to take them here.
Leonel, is the US ass kisser that permitted them here, and Hipolito did nothing about it.
Written by: rokete, 11 Feb 2013 2:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
chilliwestaziz
This is what is next:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
As long as Haitians continue to run from their problems in Haiti, your problems will continue indefinitely.
Haitians want Dominicans, French, USA, anyone to solve their problems, because your people don't want to take responsibility for their own fate.
Haitians problems are to be resolved in Haiti, not here.
Your people rather run, than to confront your problems in Haiti.
From: Jamaica
Pena Gomez was robbed of the election. Everyone knows that he won, hands down. Your country is too racist and mixed with the salami thing. people like me will not be visiting any time soon.
From: United States
roket,
what border??? Is that a joke??? The one control by corrupted dominicans and haitians??? You have the best joke of the century!!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Feb 2013 6:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Chilli says: "there seems to be more beggars around the capital of the DR than in Haiti".
That's because the majority of the Haitian beggars of PAP are stranded in the refugee camps from the earthquake. Let's see what will happen once the majority of them get kicked from those camps, which is happening as we speak. For the looks of your discourse, it would seem as if you are justifying the horrible living conditions in which the Haitian elite are keeping the masses there. And before you start pointing fingers at me, no, I'm not a friend of the slavers here, but from the general look of things in both countries, it would seem that us, racist Domies, are doing a far better job in the handling of our own side of the island.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Feb 2013 6:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
There are also some questions I need to ask you, chilli: if we Domies are as a racist as you put, then how come race seems to be less correlated with wealth over here than in Haiti? Why is it that whenever I went over there, people assumed me to be wealthy just because of my being mixed race? and the last and most poignant one of them all: Why is it that the so called first black republic fails to have a significant population of Congos at the very top of the socioeconomic ladder? Pregnant questions to ponder, if I might say so.
From: Haiti
Haitian national arrested with 25 kilos of cocaine in Santo Domingo.
The National Agency of Drugs Control (DNCD) and the Office of Santo Domingo arrested a Haitian with 25 kilos of cocaine during a raid on a house in the Ralma sector, near San Isidro highway in the municipality Santo Domingo East.
According to the report the Haitian Lenick Senatus, 29, remains under investigation by the DEA headquarters. While the drug was sent to the National Institute of Forensic Science (INACIF)
It explains that the alien had 25 packages that weighed as much as kilos.The report also indicates deeper investigations into the case.
The drug was found in a house with no number located on 3rd street and the corner of L street,in the Ralma sector, near San Isidro Highway. The home requisition was made by the warrant number 02110-ME-2013 issued by a competent court, as reported by the DNCD.
listindiario.com/la-republica/2013/2/2/264463/Apresa-a-un-haitiano-con-25-kilos-de-cocaina-
Written by: saru2191, 12 Feb 2013 4:22 PM
From: United States
@chilliwestaziz
"There seems to be more Haitian beggars around the capital of the DR than in Haiti."
So this is what your agreement has boiled down to, has it? You didn't even bother countering my argument because you ran out of cheap excuses to justify this problematic situation. But yes, I would assume there are more Haitian beggars in DR than in Haiti for the obvious reasons that Lautaro has mentioned.
"He tries to pick apart my argument line by line but he knows that I am right about what I am writing."
....and yet your argument has now been reduced to trying to convince me and others that you've been to the DR and and know it well while conveniently ignoring the points I've made. Funny, isn't it? It's quite easy to read you, and the more I engage with you, the more it appears that your true and only objective here is to gain a reaction from users here. There's a word for people like that in these neck of the woods, I'm sure you know what it is.
Written by: rokete, 12 Feb 2013 5:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Let's try the new movement:
HAITIANS TO JAMAICA MOVEMENT !!!
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Yes, but having them documented must be the next goal. First, to get a REAL count as to the numbers inside. Second, to finally commit to a policy of allowing ONLY THOSE gainfully employed by the Private sector to reside in DR while structuring a well balanced and humane re-repatriation scheme for those merely immigrating from the west as poverty dumping.
An organized and well documented policy will greatly advance future organization and control over this perennial problem for the DR and Haiti.
MIGRACIÓN
La República 8 Febrero 2013
Incautan 400 visas falsas en frontera
El director de Migración, José Ricardo Taveras, fue entrevistado luego de participar en una ofrenda floral en el Altar de la Patria, con motivo del Mes de la Patria.
Katheryn Luna
Santo Domingo
El director general de Migración, José Ricardo Taveras, informó que han incautado en la frontera alrededor de 300 a 400 pasaportes con visas falsas en los últimos dos meses."
Of course it's important to legalize the immigrants that are working. But they also should get the same wages then. And they should get paid at all, that there are no such shameful (for the Dominican Republic) incidents like what's happening at the consulate in Santiago.
Is that Fu@#$ priest still at large ??
The simple solution is to:
DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Fuera Haitianos de Quisqueya !!!
you fool, they can't swim, as most of the Dominican can't. So where they should go? Haiti right!!!
Quisqueya is the whole island, dummy!!!!!!
So if anyone stages a mass protest they'll be allow into the country. That's pathetic and there will be consequences by these precedents we're setting.
We would also like to offer rokete a one day visa so we can get him as high as a kite, stuff him in a cannon, and shoot him back to Santo Domingo.
anbro2007
I know the whole island is Quisqueya !!
Thank you.
chilliwestaziz
You are another foreigner who is an illegal Haitian advocate, into our country.
Why don't you advocate to receive all illegal Haitians into Jamaica, and see how your compatriots react.
I will give you one month before other Jamaicans will hang you.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Publication: Journal of Social History
Date: Mar 22, 1998
In late March 1937, Cuban soldiers descended upon the sugar central Ermita in eastern Cuba and rounded up a "numerous contingent" of Haitian cane cutters who had been working in Cuba for years, including the "elderly" couple Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis. The soldiers "intimidated" the many haitianos who were "unwilling to go," transported all of them to a concentration camp in Santiago, and shipped them back to Haiti.(1) Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis thus found themselves in the midst of a massive deportation effort marked by "injustices" and "extortions" which had begun one month earlier.(2) The repatriation process proceeded at a rapid pace as the sugar harvest wound down. By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians; in con
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
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By mid September, Cuban authorities had banished nearly 25,000 Haitians; in contrast, only 253 British West Indian immigrants had also left the island.(3)
The events of the 1930s pose an intriguing question. During the first three decades of the twentieth century, as many as 600,000 Haitian and British West Indian workers migrated to the neighboring island of Cuba.(4) Most of these antillanos arrived as agricultural wage laborers, ready to cut cane in the sugar fields blanketing the easternmost provinces of Camaguey and Oriente; tens of thousands of them - Haitians and British West Indians together - still resided in Cuba during the mid 1930s.
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
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Clearly, however, Cuban authorities singled out the Haitian community for forced repatriation. In addition to the 1937 deportations, around 8,000 haitianos were expelled in 1933-34 and at least another 4,900 in 1938-39.(5) During this same period, a small number of British West Indians left Cuba, but all of them voluntarily.(6) Why, then, did Cuban government officials permit thousands of British West Indian immigrants to remain in Cuba, while at the same time they forcibly deported Elisa Dis, Enrique Francis, and nearly 38,000 other Haitians?
chilliwestaziz,
From: Jamaica
Perhaps you might care to read a bit further into this regional phenomenon.
I've got some stuff from Jamaica and the rest of the islands, too.
:)
You know, a person as intelligent as you upsets me when he/she provides these cursory 'tid bits' of historical data without explaining some of the dynamics that were in play during the times (of the occurrences that you mentioned).
Batista was a racist and a very good friend of Trujillos'. When Batista was overthrown, where did he run to? Yes, into the pig Trujillo's arms.
Since the 1930's, Trujillo was filling Batista's head with all kinds of negative things about the Haitian people with his powerful methods of persuasion. It was easy for Batista to join Trujillo's vision against the Haitians, he was already a racist towards people of African decent. Look closely at the dates. The Haitian expulsion started around 1933. Batista led the coup in Cuba in 1933 and came into power during this timeframe. Trujillo massacred the Haitians in 1937; the same year Cuba/Batista (Military Chief of Cuba) expelled numerous Haitian cane cutters. Connect the dots for yourself.
Good observation !!!
Both Trujillo and Batista where great men of the era.
Both very cunning, both very patriotic, both very smart, both very anti illegal Haitian.
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
VIVA LA CONFEDERACION ANTILLANA !!!
They were also great back stabbers and Trujillo ended up stabbing Batista in the back, figuratively. One devil tries to get the other devil to love him when he needs help and gets extorted.....you can keep these patriotic pigs for yourself.
chilliwestaziz
The Confederación Antillana —or Antillean Confederation was the vehement idea of Ramón Emeterio Betances about the need for natives of the Spanish Greater Antilles to unite into a regional entity that would seek to preserve the sovereignty and well-being of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico.
Its main idea was to subsequently end European colonialism in the Americas as well as a response to the Monroe doctrine phrase America for the Americans, which Ramón Emeterio Betances changed into Antilles for the Antilleans. The main gathering point of the idealists was San Felipe de Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic.
Strong supporters of this idea:
Eugenio María de Hostos also known as The Citizen of the Americas
Gregorio Luperón hero of the Dominican Restoration War.
José Martí often referred to as The Apostle of Cuban Independence.
José de Diego
Ramón Emeterio Betances
Que viva la Confederacion Antillana !!!
Viva Batista !!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
Expel all illegal Haitian from Quisqueya !!!
chilliwestaziz The Jamaican piti.
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
Only warning, after los Haitianos are gone and Dominicans play dominoes and drink mamajuana all days and do not farm the land. I ain't bringing los Haitianos back because they will have to obey your order "Fuera Haitianos de Quisqueya". So. those boys will be swiming in route to Florida; I will not be able to force them to make an about face.
No agua de coco en la mañana, just deal with it mi hermanito roketty!!!!
bro, did you make it through first grade spanish? I know you must be broke by now; hope is on the way. tu escuela recognize your tenure in kindergarten was an injustice against humanity. Those five pesos that were spent for your kinder educacion is being refunded to you on behalf of the human race. that should get you one sip of cerveza!!! enjoy mi hermanito, se te pone boracho!!!!
jambdebois
Bill Clinton and Leonel Fernandez are no longer in power.
This is the chance of a life time for your Haitian compatriots to go to Miami.
Please close the door on your way out. We don't want you here, and won't need you.
We have been living for hundreds of years without Haitians, in Hispaniola.
Before the French brought you from Africa, and after throwing you out from Dominicana several times.
We know that you will come back again, but we will push you back out, again and again.
Your people should stop in Jamaican, and stay there on your way out of DR.
And
LONG LIVE TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
The Haitiano Zombie !!!
LOL
Where would all those remittances come from then???
PuntaCanaMike
Illegals are illegals here, the US, Canada, Spain and Argentina.
All illegals are to be deported.
If Dominicans are illegals any place in the globe, where do they belong ??
In Dominicana.
Deport them back to Quisqueya.
But this is MUCH more important:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
LONG LIVE TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
jambdebois
This is what I have to say to your nonsence.
VIVA TRUJILLO THE HAITIAN ZOMBIE !!!
i see nothing wrong, bigoted or morally reprehensible in Rokete's comments , and I quote:
"Expel all ILLEGAL Haitians from Quisqueya " key word here being ILLEGAL. The US and EU expel illegal and even legal Dominicans who run afoul of the law with impunity or reproach. We as a SOVEREIGN, let me repeat that unintelligible word for you, S O V E R E I G N nation have the right ,duty and responsibility to our children and future generations of Dominicans to protect our lands, environment, education, health system and economic viability of the nation. An influx of 20% of the nation's population of a single ethnic or national group would threaten the hegemony of the country within a generation. That many people will always constitute a fifth column in the nation. Those that are in DR with legal documents and visas are welcomed to stay and become part of the varied fabric of life that is the Dominican Republic.
You seem to have a little more sense than your fruitfly compatriot Rokete. What you seem to ignore is the demand aspect. The Dominican rich have invited these Haitians in. Illegal Dominicans in the US were not invited in. Similar to the illegal Mexicans in the US, the illegal Haitians fill a gap in the workforce that nationals do not want to be a part of. Illegal Dominicans in the US prefer criminal careers to agricultural ones. There are benefits having Haitians in the DR but there are no benefits to the US having Dominicans in their country, rich or poor.
The US has more Mexican illegals today than yesterday. The DR has more illegal Haitians today than ever before....you are losing because your own rich are working against you. Are you such an airhead that you can't see this?
GOOD COMMENT..... NOW LETS GET THIS SAME GOOD START FOR THE DOMINICANS U KNOW THAT A BOAT LEAVES EVERY F%&*ING DAY FOR PUERTO RICO AND OTHER PORTS TRYING TO GET INTO THE STATES....
BENCHMARK FOR WHAT IS LEGAL... U GUYS LEAD THE THE GANG WHEN ITS COMES DOING THINGS THE WRONG WAY......
BENCHMARK MY A............
and look what the dominicans have done in the states and other countries they have travel to.
the jails like rikers island are full of dominicans they treat ther host countrys and people as... 'prey"
f%&*ing joke with your comment.. guy.....
section *8... food stamps....... free meds for the taking...... while most of u are off the radar......and give nothing back to their host country...... nothing... worthless....... trouble makers with out an education.... only u bring trouble with u when u come... and this comment is from a dominican man......
capt danny00.. the dr is not far from beging like the congo....
even the ball players lie and cheat...... even the doctors like salomon melgen.. rob and cheat... even the dominican nannys are killers....
this is what u do the best.......
not one f%&*ing invention to credit to this country of the dominican republic.....not one..... do nothing worth less people....
lots of talk.... but going no where in the real world.....
pimps and crooks........
choo choo
all aboard the pimp and drug dealers express.
20% is a little on the high side!! Not a sympathizer but a realist!! maybe none of you understand the dynamic of the law of nature? let me bring to more of an elementary level, my apology for Commiserating at a level?. What we are observing is the result of two 1/3 countries in the same island. just to shade a bit of light when someone says Haiti, he/she is really saying PAP. The remaining of the western side of the island is virtually unexplored. PAP is a huge slum. I saw plan to build 5 international airports in Haiti and projects for several autopistas construction, that is if those padrons will not pocket the cash as usual. thus, the 20% exodus you are experiencing in DR is a result of equilibrium. If you have no clue about the natural law of equilibrium, we can have a separate discussion on that topic? I need one small favor from those bright minds of DT. You saber rattling will solve nothing and their is no solution in sight. Nature will always win.
This is exactly why I am making Dominicans aware, that we have to put a stop to this Haitian invasion.
Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border.
Their idea is that we are all the same.
This is not new, it is a plan, that between France, Canada , and the US, tried to impose on Balaguer.
The idea is to make the whole island hegemonic.
Because in their idea we are all black, share the same island, share the same history, we need them, they need us, etc, etc.
Balaguer, refused adamantly to permit a refugee camp in the border, to avoid the same fate.
He also, did not permit Pena Gomez in power, because Pena was going to permit the refugee caps.
The US solves the problem of Haitians invading Florida, by forcing us to take them here.
Leonel, is the US ass kisser that permitted them here, and Hipolito did nothing about it.
If we don't take action even if it requires to be into our own hands,
If we don't demand from our politicians that the Haitian problem is of national priority,
If we don't expel Haitians illegals from our country now,
We are leaving our children without a country.
Our generation will carry the burden for being complacent, and doing nothing about it.
But in my case, it will not happen because I sat around to see it, and did nothing about it.
Some in this forum have called me xenophobic and racist, because I am patriot that want to protect his country.
I couldn't care less, what you call me. So you can all start your insults right now.
Meanwhile I am working on influencing some of the politicians friends, that have a say on this issue.
and remember to:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
What is your Balaguer point? Please tell me!!! Also, I have a family member in Montreal by the last of Chevalier whose pushing 100. As a birthday gift, I will transmit your "EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!! VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!" to her.
jambdebois,
"Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border."
Wouldn't that be great for you ?? That is what brings you to this forum, isn't it ??
You are simply another Haitiano, of the ones that I mentioned in my previous post.
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!!
LOL
I keep asking myself this question all the time and it seems there is no easy answer.
Why is it that most of the former colonies are such a mess?
There are only a few exceptions in Latin America..
It all comes back to education, we still have the same colonial mentality...
If we don't work to educate our people, we will always be what we are now... Banana Republics...
But to get back to my point, the existing infra-Quisqueya issues have been on the table for more than 200 years without any resolution. trujilo did not solve it, balaguer did not solve, not solution in the horizon. What is next?
Imagine.!
jambdebois
This is what is next:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
As long as Haitians continue to run from their problems in Haiti, your problems will continue indefinitely.
Haitians want Dominicans, French, USA, anyone to solve their problems, because your people don't want to take responsibility for their own fate.
Haitians problems are to be resolved in Haiti, not here.
Your people rather run, than to confront your problems in Haiti.
You seem to relish highlighting any negative news about us (the nanny, drug arrests - the only criminal activity you ever mention in the vast criminal enterprises of Dominicans, professional athletes accused of using PED's) and you never mention with a true Dominican's pride all the far outnumbering good qualities, actions and triumphs of Dominicans worldwide.
Reaching the peak in the fashion industry by Oscar de la Renta
In Hollywood by Zoe
Clean professional all-star players like Albert Pujols, Robinson Cano, Pedro Martinez, Vladamir Guerrero
The Dominican kids who saved a baby from a fire.
Just shut up 1/
You said a whole lot of truths regarding Haiti's social political developement.
The massacre of the 20,000 -30,000 white french colonists (I don't condone, but I can understand, just wasn't prudent or moral) set in motion an international backlash especially in European dominated America which left Haiti isolated while still being beseiged by the French. The exhorbitant indemnity of the bribe Haiti had to pay to break this isolation has crippled the developement till this day.
I am an admirer of the Haitian revolution and its participants. This admiration is tempered by the Haitian invasions to my country. I still admire Touisant, Henri (his massacres in Moca, Santiago, etc. Were reluctantly done under orders from the savage Dessalines who destroyed his heroic revolutionary legacy in a bloodthirsty vengeful "white people" murdering spree.
Him we cannot forget or forgive. You people idolize him. There will never be unity.
Mr. Piere.
lynch them? they are no good..... right?
s........ in new york city the jails are full of haitians, rape murder, sell drugs, shoplift.... ladies of the night...... bad people..... they are......
now look at the difference with us dominicans.... peace loving hard working people just look at the dr...... we built all of the new hotels and homes....condos in santo domingo..... we get up at 5am so we can go work in the sugar cane fields......... haitians will not do this type of work would they?
hey! in new york city the feds even have a free ride {plane} each month taken the no-good haitians back to their country after they are released from the jails in new york....
lynch them high i say.....
choo choo
all aboard iam ready to die for what i believe in. express.
from: united states
are you willing to die for what you believe because i am.
hey! if u do this.... die..... u will not get your section 8.... food stamps and free meds and schools for u and your kids....{and u can still be able to sell your drugs and shoplift..}.
please dont die..... the world will miss u... look at all the good u have done in this world..... u knowin the world u have on 166st???
f&*%ing joke.....u are...
WHAT GOOD NEWS? THE BALL PLAYERS THAT LIE AND CHEAT? THE NANNY KILLERS?
THE DRUG DEALERS.... U HAVE ANY GOOD NEWS FROM ANY WHERE?
WHAT THE F....K DID THEY DO FOR ANY ONE BUT THEMSELFS?
VERY FEW GOOD DOMINICANS... FEW AND FAR BETWEEN....
NOSE PICKERS AND PIMPS.....TTAKE A GOOD LOOK AT RIKERS AND ALL CAN SEE.
earn well below minimum wages and reside in a sinfull crime ridden section of town, those SOBs actually think their inherited a superior position in the USA. I had to stop frequenting that local, though I miss the music (bachata and salsa), I had to evaluate reality vs. idealogy. I am with zero financial issue, well educated, earn well over 100K. I Had to ask myself, I do not have any misery to keep company. The sad part about it, they speak vociferously about DR superiority and Haitianos inferiority, they cannot even articulate the spanish idioma and those pudgy belly women dragging 50 kids through the cold streets with their EBT card (money from tax) trully believe they are good representations of DR.
what do you know about the natural law of equilibrium or 2LOT??? think about it!!!! nature will always reach equilibrium and does not care about who will be affected. And nature has no sense of discriminating between skins, well organized and poorly managed side of the island!!! think about it!!!!!
jambdebois
Dreaming is free, dream on.
I am secure in all my daily endeavours; I love a good dream. Promise, I will not share your nightmares!! If I were in your shoes, I would have remove those millions fo Haitianos by now, I am a man of action. I guess you need to vent in order to reduce your pains!!!! Your tenure on earth will be measured by your accomplishments, not by likes and dislikes and blowing hot air with nothing to prove. My last warning, if those reconstruction plans outline in the prime minister of Haiti website come to fruition? No winning from you when the land is dry and agriculture is none exist, those Haitianos are back in Haiti and lazy Dominicans are not farming.
Very funny: Deport all illegal Haitians from Quisqueya!
What is Quisqueya? Only the Dominican Republic?
As I said: Very sad!
"The Dominican rich have invited these Haitians in. Illegal Dominicans in the US were not invited in." The illegal Haitian were not invited, just because a few members of the elite enjoy exploiting them for their own benefits, it doesn't mean anything. These people are deported from the DR on an often basis, that far from being invited 'invited'. That nullifies the second part of your argument in that sentence.
"Similar to the illegal Mexicans in the US, the illegal Haitians fill a gap in the workforce that nationals do not want to be a part of." It's not that Dominicans don't want do these jobs, it's that these undocumented Haitians provide an inexpensive, easily exploitable workforce that Dominicans citizens can't compete against.
"There are benefits having Haitians in the DR but there are no benefits to the US having Dominicans in their country, rich or poor."
Another desperate and baseless argument on your part. The Haitians don't benefit anyone but the elite who exploit them. Their social and economical burdens to the DR and it's people outweigh their benefits.
street beggars with no rights under the law cannot be removed? don't say it too loud, you are weakening your arguement. I myself want all street begars removed without any consideration, you go to any country, work or get the hell out. maybe the local police received a divident from those beggars?? that is what one of them told me around hotel mercure near zona colonial!!!! lets fix the equation since we have more than one variables. dr police=crooks=haitians beggars=crime, solve all the unknown!!!
Only a cruel God makes cruel mans.
Stop the hate God loves you.
jambdebois
Haitians are masochists that escaped french slavery, to become voluntary slaves for Dominicans.
I pity you and your people, because your people have no shame, and no honor.
They rather be Dominican slaves, than to fight for their own destiny, in their own country.
As long as Haitians keep running from confronting their problems in Haiti, the results will always be the same.
Haitians are and always will continue to be, slaves wherever they go.
Expel all illegal Hatians from Quisqueya !!!
VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!
The Haitian Zombie.
BOOOOOH !!!
Corre piti que por ahi viene la camiona !!
Dime perejil ahi !!
Peleji .
LOL
roky, stop complaining and enjoy the slave services, those boys are accustomed to endenture services from their own people. just sleep with one eye open (coupe tete boule caille, the slave creed). I am sorry, can't be mean to you because you are so sensitive. Or maybe you should visit the Haitian brothels in Haiti which give new meaning to shame!!!!! just stating the factual shame!!! don't kill the messenger, it is not my message but your own!!!!
jambdebois
Cojle piti que pol ai viene la camiona !!
Dime perejil ahi !!
Peleji .
LOL
I am running as fast as I can, hope el camion has a flat!!
perejil.....pelejil......parsley, as long i am not late for dinner!! you can call it carrot if you please. Now, where is the dam restaurants list??? I must admit, there are a few things that I admire about VIVA TRUJILLO CHEVALIER de MOLINA a la el Haitiano. he understood, once removed out of africa, it is not advisable to remain african (geo-survival).
saru,
thighten up your leather, i can see crocodile tears running down your face. this ain't no place for the frails and weaks. words of advise, don't worry about anybody's feeling (lame approach). Stick and jab, just remember, if you go below the belt? you will be open to a fatal left hook to the jaw!!!
welcome to the thunder-dome!!!
Saru could not be more wrong. He tries to pick apart my argument line by line but he knows that I am right about what I am writing. I once took two years off from work lived in several locations (my uncle owns homes in all locations and keeps them as vacation homes). You probably have never heard about Jamaica Broilers Group but let's not go there; not necessary. St. Barts, West Palm Beach, and the METRO COUNTRY CLUB, JUAN DOLIO!!!!!!! I spent months there and I travelled throughout the DR. Of course, I hated leaving the metro since it seemed like everybody was on the take (crooks everywhere)..Much more in your face than Jamaica. Always a sad story followed by a request for help. It amazed me that Haiti (yes, I drove there a few times from the DR) that has far less infrastructure and much less money has far fewer beggars..
chilliwestaziz
This is exactly why I am making Dominicans aware, that we have to put a stop to this Haitian invasion.
Haitians and their advocates, would love for things to continue the way they are.
Because, within a generation or two, there will no longer be need for a border.
Their idea is that we are all the same.
This is not new, it is a plan, that between France, Canada , and the US, tried to impose on Balaguer.
The idea is to make the whole island hegemonic.
Because in their idea we are all black, share the same island, share the same history, we need them, they need us, etc, etc.
Balaguer, refused adamantly to permit a refugee camp in the border, to avoid the same fate.
He also, did not permit Pena Gomez in power, because Pena was going to permit the refugee caps.
The US solves the problem of Haitians invading Florida, by forcing us to take them here.
Leonel, is the US ass kisser that permitted them here, and Hipolito did nothing about it.
chilliwestaziz
This is what is next:
EXPEL ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!
As long as Haitians continue to run from their problems in Haiti, your problems will continue indefinitely.
Haitians want Dominicans, French, USA, anyone to solve their problems, because your people don't want to take responsibility for their own fate.
Haitians problems are to be resolved in Haiti, not here.
Your people rather run, than to confront your problems in Haiti.
what border??? Is that a joke??? The one control by corrupted dominicans and haitians??? You have the best joke of the century!!!!
That's because the majority of the Haitian beggars of PAP are stranded in the refugee camps from the earthquake. Let's see what will happen once the majority of them get kicked from those camps, which is happening as we speak. For the looks of your discourse, it would seem as if you are justifying the horrible living conditions in which the Haitian elite are keeping the masses there. And before you start pointing fingers at me, no, I'm not a friend of the slavers here, but from the general look of things in both countries, it would seem that us, racist Domies, are doing a far better job in the handling of our own side of the island.
The National Agency of Drugs Control (DNCD) and the Office of Santo Domingo arrested a Haitian with 25 kilos of cocaine during a raid on a house in the Ralma sector, near San Isidro highway in the municipality Santo Domingo East.
According to the report the Haitian Lenick Senatus, 29, remains under investigation by the DEA headquarters. While the drug was sent to the National Institute of Forensic Science (INACIF)
It explains that the alien had 25 packages that weighed as much as kilos.The report also indicates deeper investigations into the case.
The drug was found in a house with no number located on 3rd street and the corner of L street,in the Ralma sector, near San Isidro Highway. The home requisition was made by the warrant number 02110-ME-2013 issued by a competent court, as reported by the DNCD.
listindiario.com/la-republica/2013/2/2/264463/Apresa-a-un-haitiano-con-25-kilos-de-cocaina-
"There seems to be more Haitian beggars around the capital of the DR than in Haiti."
So this is what your agreement has boiled down to, has it? You didn't even bother countering my argument because you ran out of cheap excuses to justify this problematic situation. But yes, I would assume there are more Haitian beggars in DR than in Haiti for the obvious reasons that Lautaro has mentioned.
"He tries to pick apart my argument line by line but he knows that I am right about what I am writing."
....and yet your argument has now been reduced to trying to convince me and others that you've been to the DR and and know it well while conveniently ignoring the points I've made. Funny, isn't it? It's quite easy to read you, and the more I engage with you, the more it appears that your true and only objective here is to gain a reaction from users here. There's a word for people like that in these neck of the woods, I'm sure you know what it is.
Let's try the new movement:
HAITIANS TO JAMAICA MOVEMENT !!!