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Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic on Monday stated concern in Washington with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights’ (IACHR) repeated calls for hearings on the issue of Haitians in its territory.

Dominican Foreign Ministry envoy Radhys Abreu complained that despite a visit by an IACHR delegation just three months ago, at the invitation of the Government, it had the opportunity to deal directly with stakeholders in the issues addressed yesterday.

"The honorable Commission has among its tasks, to render a report to the country, so that the State can formulate the pertinent observations," Abreu said, and noted that Dominican Republic is respectful of its international commitments, as evidenced by its presence at yesterday’s hearing.

She said in compliance with the Constitutional Court ruling on nationality, the government sought to determine its impact on the population registered in the country’s registry.

The Foreign Affairs Ministry delegation also included Ambassador in the U.S. Pedro Vergés and Embassy chief of staff Mayerlin Cordero.

Descendants of Haitian workers

For their part, the descendants of Haitian workers stated that despite that hundreds came to the Dominican Republic to work in cane plantations, more than 75,000 workers of the State Sugar Council (CEA) cannot get a pension for lack of identity documents, a situation which also affects their offspring.

They said it’s important that the ruling acknowledged their presence since 1929, since it "would recognise the acquired rights of offspring born in the Dominican Republic."

They asked the Government to exclude from the regularization plan all of the immigrants’ offspring born in Dominican territory prior to 2010.

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38 comment(s)
Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 8:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian complaints are similar to the aggressive car window washers on corners, drivers wave them off, tell them NO and they keep at it.
Some drivers have resorted to just carrying some change, and dispensing it to avoid trouble, as often the desperadoes do malicious damage to the cars or worse. Others more brave drivers, resort to more vigorous tactics, and threats.
When a failed and UN intervened state like Haiti is in dire straights, they have nothing to lose, except in this case, Haiti is alienating their only bordering neighbor and friend that has been charitable, provided jobs, medical care, and education to their citizens.
The Haitian predators still want more, in an insatiable thirst for our territory, and opportunities including DR citizenship at any cost. This can not prosper further. Just like warding off aggressive beggars, the DR must say and mean a firm NO, to the never ending Haitian aggressions and demands for more.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 8:18 AM
From: United States
There we go again with the 2010 date to grant amnesty to the majority of illegals in the country. No good deed goes unpunished someone posted earlier.

So all those births by haitian women crossing the border seeking free medical attention are now to be declared dominican nationals. Lets just ignore our constitutions since 1929, and allow what it was written to prevent to occur : the displacement of Dominican nationals by haitian squatters.

Within a generation the loss of the Central Plateau in 1929 will be overshadowed by the loss of the frontier as well as several inland towns due to overwhelming numbers of haitian (they will still be haitians with haitian customs, language, and vodou beliefs ).

As Trujillo warned, "they will be able to elect their own in municipal and provincial elections".

This plot will not stand. The Dominican populace will not accept this.

Time to reverse the flow for the 13th time in 213 years of defending our territory from haitian invasions
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 8:26 AM
From: United States
We can accept the descendants of the bateye cane cutters. We will not accept the 12th wave allowed in by LF and Hipolito, much less the 13th wave humanely aided after the quake of 2010.
Give a haitian an inch, he wants a mile.
Written by: zooma, 25 Mar 2014 8:33 AM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic

"As Trujillo warned, "they will be able to elect their own in municipal and provincial elections"

Trujillo answered the overrun threat in 1937 with Parsley.

Suspect if he were with us today he would have ordered a salad lunch with sprigs of parsley for the commission.

Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 8:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
The DR must stand firm against the request of the colonial powers, in this case led by the USA.
The USA, the UK, France, Canada do not want any more Haitian immigrants in their territories or possessions, they must stay put, either in Haiti, or in the DR, according to their plans.
Their goals is for the DR to be the escape valve or solution, to the rosary of Haitian needs and problems. Shoving or directing the Haitian overpopulation to the DR, cost them nothing, and releases them from further aid or obligations, for their past faux pas and errors in judgements.
A recent example of humungous irresponsibility on the part of the UN, was the transmission of a strain of cholera, proven to be only present in Nepal, by their UN peacekeepers. Six hundred thousand Haitians have been infected, you heard right, 600 thousand, and thousands have died. The UN has refused reparations so far. The DR has also been "gifted" with over 10K deaths, and about 100k infections from the same cholera virus.
Written by: bernies, 25 Mar 2014 8:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
The part that I understand is why if nationals from other countries in this country also are in the same boat as the Haitians the Human rights commission doesn't includes them as well and for nationality for illegal Haitians offspring. Are they getting pay to only look out for the Haitians interest and not for the other nationals that have the same problem. I tell you why, because Haití is a problem that got out of hand and they are tired of just pouring money into that country that leads to no solution because of their politicians and if those dozens of thousands of Haitians offspring are given Dominican nationality they would have solved the problem by dumping them to us. Well screw that and we will not accept it even if that means losing some foreign aids. The Miami Haitians are investing in this country instead of their own because they see no future in their country and they are also vacationing here instead of Haiti. And you know because they don't care about Haiti anymore
Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
The many deaths and quick propagation of the cholera virus in Haiti, was understandably quick and massive due to the fragile health status of the Haitian population, their poor habits, procuring infected waters from the rivers, and their lower resistance to external viruses. Mostly due to the lower immune system response, and lack of funds to procure antibiotics and medicines, by the general population.
Again the DR had to care for the many Dominicans that where infected, as well as many Haitians, and had to provide from their budget for this plague.
This is just a microcosmic example of the many ails that plague Haiti, and their unfortunate destiny.
The only solution to the rosary of Haitian problems, is a UN trusteeship, where the UN will run the government for a period of at least a generation, or 25 years. The Haitian population deserves this, but the elite Haitian ultra nationalists, that have held a yoke on Haiti since 1804, will cry foul and stand against in opposition.
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 9:33 AM
From: United States
general,

I have a little bit of respect for you. I don't agree with some of the things you say, the name calling, denegrating poor haitians but now youre going into the gutter (rokete, atabey) with your "haitian virus" comment.

Shame on you. You know better

If you nationalist didn't apply this ruling retroactively to 1929 noone would have said one word.
Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 10:07 AM
From: United States
The solution to this crisis lies squarely on Dominican officials, who have wasted precious time and energy, encouraging a climate of fear, persecution and racism toward a huge segment of the Dominican population. It is well known throughout the world that the recent ruling has absolutely nothing to do with immigration reform. It has to do with deep-seated resentment over Haiti's occupation of the DR more than 150 years ago.

At a time when the world is moving toward a new era of understanding, where former sworn enemies become allies (Japan-USA), (France-Germany), etc . The Dominican Republic, under an ultra-nationalist administration with absolutely no diplomatic strategy to ward off criticism, is leading its people to the abyss.
Written by: jasfalon, 25 Mar 2014 10:11 AM
From: United States

How about the human rights commission concerning itself with the treatment (abuse) of the Dominican people by the ruling elite?
And then stop supporting these cocaine-dealing, corrupt thieves.
Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 10:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Ignorance

Problem is sometimes the wrong translation or mistaken interpretation.

Never referred to Haitians as the Haitian virus, I was referring to the cholera virus. Reread my two previous posts. You could owe me an apology, but for an ultranationalist afrocentric Haitian, that may be too much to ask.
Again the TC168 ruling DOES NOT act retroactively. For those not too well versed in legalese terms, the reference was to the DR constitution that was in force in 1929, and all the ones thereafter.
The smoke and mirrors propagated by the fifth columnists, is just crying foul, for a clarification that was long overdue.
I have stated this fact, along with numerous other aware posters to infinitum, but you guys simply do not understand that NO means NO, what is so difficult about that?
If the DR 168/13 rule was really retroactive, then the DR would have been condemned long ago for this ruling. But as Hitler said: Repeat a big lie many times, and people will start believing it
Written by: yumnuk3, 25 Mar 2014 10:28 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨

Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 10:07 AM
From: United States

“The solution to this crisis lies squarely on Dominican officials.”



Some people in the world have a horrible habit of being insufferable assholes. It’s just a way of the world. Sometimes a news storie will happen that on the surface is not divisive at all. When the stories happen you can always count on the asshole GOMEZMEDIA to scream the loudest in the hopes that attention will be paid to him. LOL.


Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 10:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Gomezmierda

Correction:

The Haitians have sunk into an abyss of their own doing, and want to drag the DR into it.
We will never allow it to happen, and for the 13 TH time, your invasion and aggression will be repelled.
Once again.
No matter how hard you try, and how many surrogates you gather in your side, the answer will still be NO, NO and NO again.
Haitian in your side, Dominicans in our side, that is the way is going to be, now and forever.
PS: And BTW, the DR is no more Mr. nice guy. The capital of pity that Dominicans had for Haitians, after the earthquake has vanished.
Again Haiti has proven to be an ungrateful, thankless and predatory nation, ruled by ultra right folk singers and voodoo lords.
Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 10:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Ignoranceisbliss

I have a question for you now, and have the balls to answer it:

If you are so sensitive about all things related to Haiti, how come you justify the child slaving practice of RESTAVEK of over 230,000 children, that are presently being held hostage, abused, and denied education with empty promises.
Shame on you and the rest of the Haitian educated elite, that can operate a computer, but do not have the least amount of compassion, for their own kind. Double shame on you all.
Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 25 Mar 2014 10:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sabana iglesia,Santiago
@Generoso They have no Shame that's the point.None,not the ones here not the ones on the island.
Written by: Danilo, 25 Mar 2014 11:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
"it’s important that the ruling acknowledged their presence since 1929"

I think they are starting to understand that we never had birthright citizenship.
Written by: Tomas, 25 Mar 2014 12:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
Why don't the Haitian people just go home and
change their Gov't to honest people?
Really!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 12:17 PM
From: United States
Gomez, there will be no more rapprochement with the haitian govt as long as they try to force 10% + of their impoverished population into a permanent presence on our side . That is not how you bury age old conflicts.
It is however a good way to perpetuate resentments. For example : the more I read your one track dribble denigrating Dominican apprehension at your countymen's violation of treaties and borders, the more resolute I become not to repeat the land grab by your peasants in 1929.

There was a reason for the enactment of the Constitution of 1929. The current haitian invasion is why.

Not retroactive , but finally enforced.
Written by: Gerechtigkeit, 25 Mar 2014 12:54 PM
From: Germany
Fusion The Island means more land for both of you. Then, Let's Haitian male have more Dominicans female and more Dominicans male have more Haitians female. Either way you are a mixed race nothing will change. Case closed
it's sound great to me
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 12:57 PM
From: United States
Tc is the law. The Nazitionalist on here just following the law.

Dred Scott v. Sandford (1856)
Pace v. Alabama (1883)
The Civil Rights Cases (1883)
United States v. Thind (1923
Lum v. Rice (1927)

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 1:04 PM
From: United States
generoso, 25 Mar 2014 10:52 AM

Ignoranceisbliss

I have a question for you now, and have the balls to answer it:

If you are so sensitive about all things related to Haiti, how come you justify the child slaving practice of RESTAVEK of over 230,000 children, that are presently being held hostage, abused, and denied education with empty promises.
Shame on you and the rest of the Haitian educated elite, that can operate a computer, but do not have the least amount of compassion, for their own kind. Double shame on you all.

I never justify abusing children. I have kids myself. MY comment was most restavec (meaning to stay with) are giving a chance to go to school. You've dealt with enough haitians to know rich or poor we haitians value education. The kids aren't given to total strangers it's usually family members who end up abusing these kids. Only a parent will truly protect their own kids.

Thank's for correcting your play on words
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 1:07 PM
From: United States
Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 25 Mar 2014 10:55 AM
From: United States, Nyc, NY
@Generoso They have no Shame that's the point.None,not the ones here not the ones on the island.

Please enlighten me oh great guru of pride. Please show the haitians the way to gain pride.
Written by: tambora, 25 Mar 2014 2:00 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Written by: Gerechtigkeit, 25 Mar 2014 12:54 PM

From: Germany

Fusion The Island means more land for both of you. Then, Let's Haitian male have more Dominicans female and more Dominicans male have more Haitians female. Either way you are a mixed race nothing will change. Case closed
it's sound great to me

=========================================================================

While I have appreciation for handsome men of all nationalities --- hmm, there's just something about those tall handsome Santiagueros that really does it for me. :D
Written by: rokete, 25 Mar 2014 2:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

There is no way for Haitians to regain pride.

Your grandiosity and greatness has been based on lies.

You given up on your country and yourselves.

Your only solution is to get rid of you politicians and elite. Rebuild from scratch.

But you lack the will, because you don't believe in yourselves.

Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 2:19 PM
From: United States
As I have said on numerous occasions, the reasons for the court ruling and subsequent refusal to back off is splattered all over this site. The level of hatred, name-calling, and animosity displayed toward Haiti, Haitians and Dominicans of Haitian origin on this site from those who claim to nationalist is hard to swallow. What it showed is a deep-seated resentment, carried over by years of official propaganda, including a so-called FUSION conspiracy theory with no facts to back them up that set the stage for the current crisis.

I know many Dominicans support their government on this, but I have yet to meet anyone else on the international stage who support this. If this law makes the DR so great a nation, why don't I see other world leaders rallying support? Why don't I see the president of Mexico, Brazil, or anyone else, standing shoulder to shoulder with Medina at a time of crisis? It looks like the man is left alone as he swims in a sea of opposition.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 2:20 PM
From: United States
Getaticket,
You try to claim impartiality passing for German. Talk to your fellow Germans and see if they are ok with a bunch of haitians taking German women. For that matter see if they will accept a horde of Russians bedding German women. Real men don't swap their women.

Dude the dominican ancestors, the Tainos already experienced extermination by breeding. We like our composition as is. GTFO of here with your penis mentality. Mixing with haitians will not create more mulatos. Haitians are purebreds and we are not white. It will change the demographics and ethnic uniqueness of Dominicans . Keep your women ,we'll keep ours....as if .
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 2:21 PM
From: United States
Written by: rokete, 25 Mar 2014 2:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic,

There is no way for Haitians to regain pride. UH HUH

Your grandiosity and greatness has been based on lies.

Coming from someone who;s his-story books were rewritten to make haitians enemy number 1 by trujillo/balaguer. Generoso quoted hitler tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth. All it takes is one generation for the lie to have a life of it's own.

You given up on your country and yourselves.

More of your wet dream to make yourself feel good

Your only solution is to get rid of you politicians and elite. Rebuild from scratch.

I agree. Jobs Jobs JObs is what's needed in haiti.

But you lack the will, because you don't believe in yourselves.

I won't even respond to this one.

I would take you seriously but when you start quoting junk science to lift yourself up, sorry you can't be taken seriously.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 2:24 PM
From: United States
Gomez this fusion attempt affects us . What do we care whether other nations support our laws ?

We do and that's enough.

Too bad for you and those of your ilk. Carajo !
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 2:52 PM
From: United States
"History books rewritten to make haitians enemy #1 by Trujillo / Balaguer".

Documented by various historians and eyewitnesses including haitian participants, (dessaline's military diaries)

1. Haitian invasion of Spanish side, 1801

2. Haitian invasion and massacre of Cibaenos and southern inhabitants by dessalines and Christophe. Over TEN THOUSAND KILLES BY BEHEADING. Over FIVE THOUSAND WOMEN and HILDREN kidnapped to "later be trampled by animals in Haiti". (Dessalines own words). 1805

3. Usurpation of Dominican independence subjugation, persecution, exile, and exploitation of dominican population as well as cultural annihilation. 1821

4. Refusal to accept Dominican self determination. Continuous military invasions and depravations on civilian population during said invasions. 1844, 1846, 1848, 1852, 1856.

5. Peasant encroachment on border areas which lead to loss of Central Plateau and other areas totaling over 5,000 sq mi of DR lands.

Enmity for 1000 yrs
Written by: generoso, 25 Mar 2014 3:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
ignoranceisbliss

One can read on self help books, how to regain pride, but I can not teach anyone that, it must come from within.
I can only suggest that Haitians give up their imperial haughtiness, and be more grateful to others.That would be a good start.
When you give thanks for even the little that you have, you attract more. (Law of attraction, The secret, Emerald Tablets), when you are always blaming others, cursing them and considering yourself unlucky and cursed.....guess what? You will attract more unhappiness, more bad luck, more misery.
Haitians have to do a Pere Lebrun on the past and present political mummies, and start fresh.
Make an honest peace offering to the people of the DR, and ask for forgiveness of past misdeeds.
The DR government will correspond in kind.
Welcome back your "escapees" from DR any which way you can, and organize a plebiscite to ask the UN to form an international trusteeship.
The journey of 1000 miles, starts with the first step.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 25 Mar 2014 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
ashamed to be Haitian?

Written by: Gerechtigkeit, 25 Mar 2014 12:54 PM
From: Germany
Fusion The Island means more land for both of you. Then, Let's Haitian male have more Dominicans female and more Dominicans male have more Haitians female. Either way you are a mixed race nothing will change. Case closed
it's sound great to me


Dude, I wouldn't put my chunk inside a Haitian woman even if you pay me. Have you seen a Santiaguera or Vegana woman, just to think about it I get wood. lol.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 5:19 PM
From: United States
Ayayayay!
Written by: rokete, 25 Mar 2014 5:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Gerechtigkeit ....

I wouldn't touch a Haitian women even if i could borrow yours !!

Not even with a 10 foot pole !!

You are a sick dude,

you most be Haitian !
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 6:04 PM
From: United States
I not haitian ,I impartial observer. It is (sic) sound right to moi, er me!

I have need to go payaticket.
Written by: tambora, 25 Mar 2014 8:00 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Gerechtigkeit said:

"Then, Let's Haitian male have more Dominicans female"

==========================================================================

I don't foresee too many of my fellow Dominican sisters going for this. Unless, of course you were talking about men the likes of the man himself - Boris Kodjoe

bit.ly/1l2g4LE

But we all know that is not the case!


So why would I ever trade the likes of this:

bit.ly/1gWQd2u
Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 25 Mar 2014 8:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sabana iglesia,Santiago
@tambora We would get the shorter end of the stick in everything if we unify with them.or should i say we'd get no stick at all,that's more accurate.Even entertaining the idea is distasteful,@Gerechtigkeit this isn't North and South Korea you piece of trash.
Written by: aarodriguezr, 25 Mar 2014 11:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, New York
To Gerechtigkeit:

I thought your government headed by Angle Markel have stated that multiculturalism
in Germany have failed, and in all of Europe.

What makes you think that it will work for Haitians and Dominicans with two completely
different cultures and creed.

It has taken the Dominican republic a lot of effort to build an imperfect democracy. What
makes you think Dominicans and Haitians will be able to govern together?

Please answer me that.

Written by: airgordo, 26 Mar 2014 10:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 2:19 PM
From: United States

I know many Dominicans support their government on this, but I have yet to meet anyone else on the international stage who support this. If this law makes the DR so great a nation, why don't I see other world leaders rallying support? Why don't I see the president of Mexico, Brazil, or anyone else, standing shoulder to shoulder with Medina at a time of crisis? It looks like the man is left alone as he swims in a sea of opposition.
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DON'T be RETARDED, this is an INTERNAL PROBLEM that just cares to DOMINICAN PEOPLE who happen to be the ONLY ones that will suffer the HAITINAIZATION of this country AGAIN , so whoever out there can think whatever they want, THEY DON'T HAVE A BORDER WITH HAITI...just Google a picture of the Hispaniola island and you will identify very quickly which one is Haiti, or watch the documentary from AL GORE... digest that and learn what is the real problem, WE HAD ENOUGH...
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