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Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic receives pressure from abroad after the Constitutional Court handed down ruling 168-13 which stipulates that persons in transit aren’t entitled to a Dominican nationality.

The affirmation is from president Danilo Medina, who’s consulting various leaders and organizations leading to a draft of the naturalization bill, which seeks to regularize the status of thousands of offspring of undocumented aliens, mostly Haitians.

In related topic, Medina said that he has yet to receive any official accusation from the Inter-American Human Rights Commission (IACHR) on alleged violations of human rights of descendants of undocumented Haitians in the Dominican Republic.

He said while the Commission has issued comments, but they’ve yet to send any record, for which the Government doesn’t know what such violations consist of, prior to a response. "We don't have any document from the IACHR, they came here and said they were going to make a report, but we have not received it.

Medina spoke after a 35-minute meeting with Luis Abinader, former vice presidential candidate  of the opposition PRD party in Piantini, as part of  his consultations leading to a naturalization bill to submit to Congress.

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Written by: Danilo, 25 Mar 2014 11:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
"he has yet to receive any official accusation from the Inter-American Human Rights Commission (IACHR) on alleged violations of human rights"

Because there is none! The IACHR knows the Haitians that have papers are using fraud to get their papers!
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 11:36 AM
From: United States
You can't punish the Son for the sins of the father
Written by: BASTA, 25 Mar 2014 11:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
that have papers are using fraud to get their papers!== Soooo this whole country is corrupt or gay!
Written by: buenoha, 25 Mar 2014 11:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
how dare dominicans try to regulate their illegal citizens? this is a privilege only rich countries have. how dare dominicans decide for themselves who is dominican and who is not, like many many other rich countries do??? who do they think they are? where do they get the nerves from to do this? lol, read the irony please. i support my government's sovereignty, pro dominicana#!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 11:42 AM
From: United States
The ichr can choose to ignore the facts of the fraud committed by many haitians by perhaps using the few with legitimate reasons to be granted amnesty, to try to force feed DR with hundreds of thousands of haitian economic refugees.

We can choose to ignore their blatant attempts to fuse us with the haitians.

If they choose this , let the deportations begin . Whatever industry they try to harm will be the first to be dehaitianized.
Written by: Tomas, 25 Mar 2014 11:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
These other countries should clean up their own back yard
before they tell us how to run our own country!
We have a constitution. Let us live by it.
Written by: bernies, 25 Mar 2014 12:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
Thank you Mr. president for having the balls to tell the media and the world that we will not accept any pressure to determine who is legally Dominican and who is not. Well play Mr. president and more than 85% of the country is behind you. Say no to international pressures.
Written by: Gerechtigkeit, 25 Mar 2014 12:44 PM
From: Germany
oh too bad
Written by: Tomas, 25 Mar 2014 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
Well said Bernie!
Germany, read Article 11.
Written by: Perception, 25 Mar 2014 12:58 PM
From: United States
"Jus Sanguini" Inherited Rights "Naturalization".(Parents)


"Jus Solis" Birth Rights "CitizeShip".(Universal)


Final Note: Fundamentals of "The Law". (Tallest).





Scholars.***
Written by: TontoDominicano, 25 Mar 2014 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Lo ultimo es que la embajada americana otorga visa a una descendiente de Haitianos ilegales sin tener PASAPORTE, violando hasta sus propias leyes, pues ningun americano puede viajar sin pasaporte, tanto que exigen a los dominicanos para dársela.todo para que fuera a declarar en contra del país.
Deportan a residentes legales en los EEUU dominicanos cuando cumplen condena por delitos cometidos. Olvidan o se hacen los tontos saben bien constitución Haitiana dice que son Haitianos los hijos de Haitianos independientemente del lugar de su nacimiento, pero esa constitución no se vale. Quienes violan los derechos de los haitianos son los mismos haitianos que no les dan ni cédula.
La cancillería dominicana debería elevar una protesta por la embajada inmiscuirse y querer dar nacionalidades en otros países y hasta los americanos saben que no se puede viajar a ningún país sin pasaporte, pues se elimino la tarjeta de turismo que existia en el país en lugar de la visa y pasaporte.
Written by: tambora, 25 Mar 2014 12:59 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Mar 2014 11:36 AM

From: United States

"You can't punish the Son for the sins of the father"

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Apparently, the government of the United States does not agree with you as the U.S. has failed to pass the DREAM Act.

The governments of approximately 145 countries in the world (that do not grant automatic birthright citizenship) do not agree with you.

And Barbabos is thinking about ending their jus soli.
Written by: Perception, 25 Mar 2014 1:03 PM
From: United States
"Special Visa".!



Impiding "The Departure" Was An "Act of Aggression".*



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Written by: ny4life, 25 Mar 2014 1:40 PM
From: United States, Respect Dominican sovereignty. No fusion on the island of Hispanola.
The biggest human rights violators is the Haitian government for denying their own citizens a birth certificate and refusing to acknowledge them when born abroad as stated in the consitution.

What an atrocity!!
Written by: bernies, 25 Mar 2014 2:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
Hey Danny00,

If you are born in Switzerland of legal foreign parents you not given Swiss citizenship because they do not allow that. Many European countries no longer have the "Jus Solis" Birth Rights "CitizeShip".(Universal)


So your statement is baseless and like the president just said it. The Human Right Commission have yet to present a document to our government stating where were the violations committed and instead they just talk and talk but no actions. How can anyone trust or listen to what they have to said after they brought malaria to Haiti and to this country as well and yet they will not accept responsibility and compensate those whom lost family members because of their fault.

Very ironic isn't it?
Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 2:12 PM
From: United States
As I have said on numerous occasions, the reasons for the court ruling and subsequent refusal to back off is splattered all over this site. The level of hatred, name-calling, and animosity displayed toward Haiti, Haitians and Dominicans of Haitian origin on this site from those who claim to nationalist is hard to swallow. What it showed is a deep-seated resentment, carried over by years of official propaganda, including a so-called FUSION conspiracy theory with no facts to back them up that set the stage for the current crisis.

I know many Dominicans support their government on this, but I have yet to meet anyone else on the international stage who support this. If this law makes the DR so great a nation, why don't I see other world leaders rallying support? Why don't I see the president of Mexico, Brazil, or anyone else, standing shoulder to shoulder with Medina at a time of crisis? It looks like the man is left alone as he swims in a sea of opposition.
Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 3:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic

The extended family, and I, are 100% behind our constitutional right, to declare who is and isn't a Dominican. As it's the right of Haiti and so many other nations, to do the same.
However, because of commercial considerations, ( billions in exports), we must try to word this mandate differently, to allow for a broader number of people to be considered for DR citizenship.

We can do this without changing the basic mandate of our constitution. We must thread lightly here, and act with caution, so as not to sink deeper in the quicksand.
Sometimes, HOW it's said, makes all the difference in the world.
Written by: Gomezmedia, 25 Mar 2014 3:29 PM
From: United States
Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 3:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic

The extended family, and I, are 100% behind our constitutional right, to declare who is and isn't a Dominican. As it's the right of Haiti and so many other nations, to do the same.
However, because of commercial considerations, ( billions in exports), we must try to word this mandate differently, to allow for a broader number of people to be considered for DR citizenship.

We can do this without changing the basic mandate of our constitution. We must thread lightly here, and act with caution, so as not to sink deeper in the quicksand.
Sometimes, HOW it's said, makes all the difference in the world.
_____________________________________

BRAVO!
At least, one voice of moderation that makes a lot, lot of sense!!!!!!
Written by: fellini, 25 Mar 2014 3:43 PM
From: Italy
Gomezmedia: you ask who's supporting us in the exercise of our sovereign rights to define our migration and nationality policies. Beyond the CARICOMIAN hypocrites, who just want the DR to continue to carry the burden of Haitian migration in the Caribbean, I wonder who's supporting Haiti's policies of expelling their own nationals for lack of opportunities, of allowing them to migrate without even a birth certificate, of denying their right to nationality once they leave, of denying them most civil rights, such as public schools, hospitals, water and sanitation?

We in the DR may very well need to enforce all of our laws in a non-discriminatory way. But don't come lecture us about racism, when never in our constitution has there been any hint of discrimination against anyone on the basis of the color of their skin or as a result of having left the country to seek opportunities elsewhere.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 3:43 PM
From: United States
Gomez, don't run and hide from other articles and post the same BS thinking I won't hunt you down.

As I told you in the other article to this identical post , fusion affects Dominicans so why should we care what "world leaders" think of our laws designed to protect our sovereignty and way of life ?

We care and that enough.

as far as your other lie regarding hatred name calling and animosity, there isn't one insult name calling or hateful message displayed by Dominicans in this article.
That you by your lies distortions and repetetive attempts to negate and confuse the intent of our Constitutions since 1929 are causing extreme animosity, I will grant you that.

People like you are causing Dominicans like myself and others that are willing to exclude the descendants of the cane cutters (those that did not use fraud to get paperd) from rhe ruling
to harden our stance at your ballzy attempt to include all illegals born to other illegals up to 2013.

You are delusional.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 3:53 PM
From: United States
Rader, like you I and others are willing to help the bateye descendants. The illegal hordes allowed by LF and Hipo, as well as the charity wave of 2010 cannot be included. We must stand firm on the fact that the constitutions since 1929 are clear and inviolable. Once that is concurred we can be magnanimous with our long time neighbors of haitian descent.

Understand this old adage when dealing with haitians; "give them an inch they will want a mile".
Written by: Arcangel96, 25 Mar 2014 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

"However, because of commercial considerations, ( billions in exports), we must try to word this mandate differently, to allow for a broader number of people to be considered for DR citizenship."

My friend this is simply a fallacy. The trade balance could change for any number of different factors. Trying to tie/bundle immigration and citizenship laws with trade is simply absurd, especially when you take into account that, the goal of the Haitian government is to lower their dependency in our products.


Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 4:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic

""the goal of the Haitian government is to lower their dependency in our products. ""

Of course.!! Lowering dependency from others, is the goal of any other nation.! ..Including us.!
The balance of trade between Haiti-DR, is in the billions,- favoring us by a huge margin. You must understand that Haiti is the number one recipient of our total produce and manufactured exports, the US, being # 2.
When money is considered, as it should, the way we go about writing and enacting our internal policies, can affect us greatly depending on how it's put into practice.
Helter-skelter, radical laws will defeat that which we treasure most: our economy.

How we behave goes hand-in-hand with our eventual boom or bust.
Let's not fool ourselves into thinking this controversial ruling won't affects us in the least, because it will, big time, if we're not careful.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 5:14 PM
From: United States
Radar your words may come to fruition carnal, but the bottom line is that the situation with the number of illegal haitians in the country is untenable. Realistically we need some of them for our economy, but not the current numbers and multiplying.
Written by: Arcangel96, 25 Mar 2014 6:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

Regardless of the TC ruling, the levels of trade between the countries should not be a factor, when it comes to legislation concerning immigration issues and/or Dominican citizenship. Trade can go up as it can also go down. What do you do if all of the sudden they find new suppliers? Or can buy our products? Change the immigration legislations to reflect current trade trends??






Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 6:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic


"" the bottom line is that the situation with the number of illegal haitians in the country is untenable""

Darned right, is bad.!! ..And we must deport the majority. The question is who belongs and who doesn't.
I think that's a very sensitive, especially difficult part of the process that sticks out, and must be handled with care and accuracy. Not an easy task, so I think some good eggs will be tossed out with the bad.

Invariably, lots of protest and pressure will be forthcoming, and the main job will be to lessen the impact of our rightful actions, so as not to hurt our growing economy.
The final say won't be heard for years to come with CARICOM, Haiti, and a few other nose-stickers crying bloody murder.
They'll likely want to impose sanctions on us, especially after we're forced to build the electrified fence, some here are clamoring for. This is gonna get worse before it gets manageable, no doubt.!
Written by: ny4life, 25 Mar 2014 7:23 PM
From: United States, Respect Dominican sovereignty. No fusion on the island of Hispanola.
Radar,

You are obviously not Dominican so please don't fool yourself. The final say has as ready been said, the TC 168-13 is irreovacable and supported by the Dominican people!
Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 7:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic

"" What do you do if all of the sudden they find new suppliers? Or can buy our products? Change the immigration legislations to reflect current trade trends??""--

Angel, Commerce has everything to do with policies and convenience. It's quite convenient to trade with Haiti due to our proximity and the infrastructure in place..
However, when our internal policies reflects one of apathy towards any nation, you're darned tuttin they'll want to shop somewhere else.
I'm not advocating a major change in our constitution, just that we consider their side of the bargain, as well. Haiti stands to lose, big time, with the return of the many thousands that have made it here. That impact will be felt heavily with likely famine, violence and major chaos.

But, we will be the ones getting blamed for such, and who knows how the world will react.
The future looks grim for Haiti if we're to toss caution to the wind.. It behoove us to consider all, before taking radical actions, or else....
Written by: ny4life, 25 Mar 2014 7:34 PM
From: United States, Respect Dominican sovereignty. No fusion on the island of Hispanola.
Radar,

Hey imposter, Dominicans are not responsible for Haiti's plight. The consitution states that all Haitians born abroad are Haitian, honor your consitution and stop the human rights violation.
Written by: Radar, 25 Mar 2014 7:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic

It's radical thinkers like you who spoil it for the rest of us.
Haiti is unable or unwilling to take care of its citizens. Any actions by us that does not considers ALL outcomes, must be tossed and redone.

I don't like it, but we're more involved with this mess than I care to admit, and you could possibly fathom.
Written by: ny4life, 25 Mar 2014 7:55 PM
From: United States, Respect Dominican sovereignty. No fusion on the island of Hispanola.
Radar,

Please save the b.s. you are fooling no one.
Written by: daswolfgang, 25 Mar 2014 8:40 PM
From: United States, north hills ,NY
where is josean today?
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 10:25 PM
From: United States
Rader , bro you have a good heart and I can sympathize with your concerns for the impact mass deportations can have on Haiti in particular the current govt. However if martelly and co. continue with their slimy manuevers, backstabbing and ungrateful posture I say screw them and give them a dose of Balaguerismo pa que sigan jodiendo. Keep in mind they care not for the effects their massive migrations have had on the average dominican family. They don't care that Dominicans are unemployed and unable to honestly take care of their familiies. They care not and actually welcome the mass exodus of Dominicans out of the country so there is more room for them and their families. In the last couple of years I have ran into Dominicans, mostly Cibaeños, in places where there isn't a dominican community.
In short we need to worry about the wellbeing of our people first before we concern ourselves with others who throughout history have shown no concern for us.
Written by: Arcangel96, 25 Mar 2014 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

Haiti's problems are there responsibility. Their people should hold accountable their elected officials and change their internal policies to it make more attractive for foreign investment. Moreover, they need to allow their diaspora to better participate in their political and economical future.


The answer to the famine and chaos scenarios you described as the result of deporting those illegally here, is not condoning the trespass. While at the same time, Haiti does almost nothing to control their rising annual birth rate. Haiti’s population is expected to reach 15.7 million by 2050. Again, Haiti's problems are there responsibility.






Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 10:33 PM
From: United States
Martelly and co. really need to decide who their friends are ; the Dominicans who have sacrificed to make room on the table for them for years now or the Caricon rocks and developed nations who hand over donations to ngo's and give nothing but lip service to their plight., deporting them on sight .
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Mar 2014 10:43 PM
From: United States
Very true Archangel, the haitian govt has done nothing to curb the explosive birthrate of its people.
Siphoning a percentage of their population to our side only makes room for more . Sending back half of their numbers in DR might give them a jolt to stop entertaining themselves 24/7.
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Mar 2014 8:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
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Written by: RobertoJose, 26 Mar 2014 8:49 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues and stripe bass
I haven't seen so many people scared of going back home, as if what waits for them would be a disgruntle uncle ready to ponce and sodomize them at any given notice.

Ya'll wasting your time and breath.

These spoken and written words have no meaning when it comes from acts of weakness. You haitians need to get your own identity. Imagine if all the effort wasted on turning something illegal to legal could be directed to the real task at hand , the situation for your brethren back home would not be so compromising.



Written by: TontoDominicano, 26 Mar 2014 8:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
A la republica dominicana le seria mas barato si la ley y la sentancia lo permitiera darle la nacionalidad a ese grupito menos de 30 mil segun creo, y deportar a los ilegales.
Written by: Arcangel96, 26 Mar 2014 7:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
TontoDominicano,

Si eso fuera todo, puede que estaría de acuerdo con usted, pero la realidad es otra. No es tan solo darle nacionalidad al grupito que describe, pero también a todo aquel que sin ningún tipo de documentación haga este tipo de reclamo!
Written by: ny4life, 26 Mar 2014 10:07 PM
From: United States, Respect Dominican sovereignty. No fusion on the island of Hispanola.
Archangel,

Al el otro grupo le toca documentos Haitianos y la deportacion
Written by: airgordo, 26 Mar 2014 11:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: Lautaro, 26 Mar 2014 8:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god knows how may times i have looked for this in english for some friends!!!

THANK YOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: airgordo, 26 Mar 2014 11:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Due to all of these motives we decree what continues.

Article 1. We solemnly and in all forms declare open war, by sea and by land, to the harmful and our enemy Haitian nation.

We authorize our citizens, and to those who unite to our cause, to harass the Haitians; and as unjust aggressors, the Haitians will be responsible before God and the world for the ills and horrors that war brings forth, the bloodshed, the destruction of families, the rapine, the violence, the destruction, the fires; everything will be its own creation and as a consequence of its criminal conduct.

Article 2. There will be no peace, nor any transaction from our part, while the enemy occupies our territory, demarcated by its old limits; and while they refuse to recognize our rights, the separation that we have declared, and that the Dominican Republic is an independent and sovereign state.

cont
Written by: airgordo, 26 Mar 2014 11:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Article 3. The war will be in the same manner as it is done to us, regular or irregular, with everyone determined to die rather than to support once again the heavy yoke of a cruel government; and we will not omit the retaliations that the circumstances demand.

Article 4. The Dominican Spaniards that remain with loyal to the Haitian cause, and that are discovered with arms in hand, will be treated as if they were Haitians and our enemies.

This decree will be printed, published, and executed in the entire territory of the Dominican Republic.

Santo Domingo, 19 of April of 1844 and 1st of the Nation

Bobadilla, presidente of the Board; Manuel Jimenes, vicepresident; Caminero, Echevarría, Carlos Moreno, Del Orbe, Valverde, J. Tomás Medrano, Juan Pablo Duarte

Silvano Pujol, secretary of the Board
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