It
is an undisputed fact that there are too many illegal Haitian immigrants in DR.
They do constitute an extra burden on social services. I also share with you
the idea that “No one living in their own country should be uprooted by
undocumented people, who must unfortunately accept "arduous jobs" for
low pay.”
This
kind of complaint is constantly heard. Be it coming from Roy Innis, a black
activist, who is anti-immigrant, or Jean-Marie Le Pen, , the racist French
candidate to the Presidency, or from Nigerians and other countries that are
facing the same problem.
It
is also known that "peoples" from intermediary races tend to be more
racist than whites. (They do not be want considered as blacks; White folks do
not want to accept them as Caucasians). Haitian mulattoes, Jamaicans,
Dominicans, Indians, etc.... African-American mulattoes could have adopted that
trend had not been the rule that one drop of black blood makes them totally
black.
Dominicans
have not invented racism. Unfortunately, some are racist and do believe that
the color of their epiderm confers them some superiority (even those who
apparently are educated). If this racism was limited to anti-Haitianism, it
could have been simply labeled xenophobia.
However,
even in the big old USA where white racist policemen mistreat blacks and Hispanics
sometimes with impunity, this attitude persists. Shouldn't you agree with me
that this a problem that real intellectual Dominicans should apprehe3nd and try
to correct ? It is perceived that the administration condones it. Here,
Measures should be taken to prevent and punish it. In DR, we have adopted the
"ostrich behavior."
Besides,
the history of the two countries should be taught at school. France and Germany have fought bloody wars; Japan committed many atrocities in China. etc... This always happened when countries share
borders. Trujillo is dead, so are Balaguer and many of the guys who
have orchestrated 1937. J-P. Boyer, Dessalines, Soulouque are dead. Dominican
commerce is raking millions from Haitian consumers; Dominican universities are
bursting with Haitian students.
Amnesty
International is also right when it stated that with or without ID blacks are
deported, whether they are Dominicans or Haitians legally in DR.
From: Brooklyn
manigalt, dessaline is indeed dead but he is considered the father of the haitian nation.that a genocidal maniac such as dessalines would be given such a coveted position in the pantheon of haiti's heroes is a testament as to why things are so between the two peoples today. there are no songs sung for trujillo nor any statues to him.In fact, only fringe groups in dr who are not in the mainstream would pay homage to trujillo today.not so for dessaline.
Written by: z.diego, 3 Apr 2007 6:02 PM
From: ny,hy.
sir, u get it wrong.although i don't approve of dessalinnes, u have to understand that the circumstances were different. we were a country at war. should we be kissing those who for centuries enslaved us ? trujillio klilled people without defense for the sake of whitening his race. that is the difference to be established. u should read not our history but the histories of all the peoples who fought for independence. do not limit it to dessalinnes. besides, u are still missing the point out of
From: New York
We were slaves and Dessalines gave us our freedom.Liberty was extricated with blood,as it has been in the US for example.You,Valerio,can't see anything good with anything Haitian because so much prejuduce resides in you and clouds your capacity to analyse things rationally.Haiti certainly has very serious problems and Haitian leaders are not addressing those problems properly beacause they are more interested in pleasing foreign powers.Just remember this,,our nation will rise from the abyss.
From: Dominican Republic
On average, in the D.R. for every 8 Dominicans or so, there's a Haitian national. Can you imagine such ratio in the United States or other "First-World" countries? Impossible! No country today can sustain such heavy load of illegal immigration. The bad rap Dominicans are getting is unfair and playing the race card on us is nothing short of hypocritical.
From: queens, ny
it seems that my comment is not understood. reread it. and try to carry the discussion on higher ground. it's not about dessalinnes or trujillio. it;s not about too many illegal immigrants, a fact that I acknowledge. it's rather about the dominican perceived racism. note; iI write perceived.'Discussion means dissecting a statement and come up with arguments to refute or to agree upon. It's simple
From: Brooklyn
what about all the black haitians dessalines killed under the french flag when france reestablished her authority after ousting touissant?dessalines committed these murders in order to intimidate the blacks into again working for the french in the short period before independence was declared in haiti. how are these murders justified?dessalines was a butcher plain and simple and i challenge anyone to debate the facts.a bibliography attesting to my viewpoint will not be hard to compile.
From: Brooklyn
"u should read not our history but the histories of all the peoples who fought for independence. do not limit it to dessalinnes."
it's a foolish assumption that a non-haitian such as myself would dedicate their study of history exclusively to haitian events or figures.i suggest that you, sir, gain a greater grasp of your own history so that you may realize you're attempting to defend the undefendable.
From: NYC
I happly, have many Hiatian friends here in the US. We share the same views, and agree on many issues when it is about Black or White. We dance to the same music Merengue or Kompa, and we enjoy each others company at all times. My Dominican parents never taught me the race card. In my home or outside everyone was equal, no matter your education or skin color. Haiti will allways be there, stop the Political BS, and skin color BS. Start enjoying the People and tis Music, you will be surprised.
From: queens ny
dear valerio,
good! dessalinnes did not limit his killings to french only. i did not ask u to read exclusively haitian history, but all the histories of the world. i mean whenever u get time. let me repeat it again:"MY COMMENT IS NOT ABOUT DESSALINES OR TRUJILLIO, it's about preceived dominican racism. stop the bickering. we need higher discussions.please.
From: Brooklyn
"Trujillo is dead, so are Balaguer and many of the guys who have orchestrated 1937. J-P. Boyer, Dessalines, Soulouque are dead. "
mr. manigat you made this statement as an insinuation that the men mentioned should have no relevance in the dealings between the two peoples today.how can a father of a nation have no relevance?in any event you lack precision in writing. it is an inferior peice that transmitted your ideas poorly.i would take the time to show you why this is so paragraph (cont'd)
From: Brooklyn
for paragraph but unfortunately the space allotted for text here is limited and it is a job better suited for an english professor.
From: New York
Haiti,despite its shortcomings,is still a beautiful country with a rich culture and a deservedly proud history.Granted,our leaders have not always been the most capable and that explains the sorry state of affairs there.We've had our share of crooked politicians like everywhere else but our independence also made us some powerful ennemies in the world.People like Valerio resent us still today because our ancestors ran his country.That,today,should be irrelevant as we have enough issues to mind
From: queems ny
dear valerito,
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Now that u clarify the point, would you comment please.... I might have sinned against grammar, but the discussion is not about semantics. My english is not as perfect as yours. Should I add that my education is also limited. I am waiting patiently for your enlightned comments. We are not disputing, we are discussing. Two different propositions.
From: queens, ny
Doctor Valerio, Why should I mention the names of Dessalines etc.... if they were irrelevant ? Let the souls of these guys rest in peace . Are you going to see "Platanos and Collard green" ? It is a play about latinos and blacks.
From: Dominincan Republic
"preceived dominican racism." If the definition of white is the absence of black blood, then this definition is practical only for those of European heritage. However, I do not believe that we Dominicans accept this definition to describe who we are. Most of us are not white, and don't pretend to be. However, we are not black, nor do we want to be labeled as blacks. I think that our appearance and culture is unique to the DR, and that is who we want to be; Dominicans. That is not racism
From: queens.ny
That's were lays the problem. Is it derogatory to be labeled black ?
From: queens, ny
The author of "THe soul of the black folk" told that he became aware of his blackness when responding to a census (in grammar school) for white and black pupils, he stood up twice to be counted as white..... to be ordered to sit down twice by his teacher. His mother was a mulatto and his father was white. Definitions and symbols are conventional. It's also one's privilege to define things according to one's own interest.
From: Brooklyn
"It's also one's privilege to define things according to one's own interest."
sort of like defining haitians residing in dominican soil as dominicans despite what the law says.in any event mr. manigat we dominicans will define ourselves. no one has a right to do that but us.
From: Brooklyn
"People like Valerio resent us still today because our ancestors ran his country."again with the slanderous remarks.you must fancy yourself a mind reader to attribute an opinion to me that i've never voiced.what i do resent is outside instituions and organizations dictating to the dominican state what her laws should be.only the dominican people and their representatives in the legislature can dictate such things.
From: queens. ny
your feet might be tired of dancing around the real issue. Did I ever say that you hate haitians because they ran your country, or haitians shouid be recognized as dominicans ? U wouldn't find any of these words in my comments to you or anybody else. u're showing signs of weakness. Case closed.If u can't come up with elaborated arguments, it is not necessary to pursue the dialogue. Ciao ! Valerio
From: Brooklyn
sir, the discussion in the opinion section here concerned another individual beside yoursel. i was addressing the both of you seperatley. read carefully before commenting. write carefully before submitting.
Written by: John, 14 Apr 2007 12:59 AM
From: NY
It is time for Dominicans to realize they are Black. Dominicans, please stop hating on black people because you are only hating on yourself. Black is Beautiful.
From: New York
Valerio,you have to find a way to resolve in yourself your hate of Haitian people.You can go on making outrageous statements about Dessalines and our other heroes because you are entitled to your opinions,however flawed they may be.Haiti's place in history is a given and our contribution to world's history is in no way diminished by the likes of you bent on insulting us to avenge past events that cannot change.You need to let go of the past,Valerio,and stop your one-man war against us.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 12:26 AM
From: NY
Dessalines's armies defeated the French forces at the Battle of Vertières on November 18, 1803. On January 1, 1804 the nation declared its independence, securing its position as the second independent country in the New World, and the only successful slave rebellion in world history.[4] Dessalines was its first ruler. The name Haiti was chosen in recognition of the old Arawak name for the island, Ayiti.
The new State of Haiti supported the abolitionist cause wherever possible.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 12:28 AM
From: NY
The new State of Haiti supported the abolitionist cause wherever possible. Haiti aided Simón Bolívar, allowing him refuge and supporting his revolutionary efforts under the condition he free Latin America's slaves. The slaveholding powers surrounding Haiti isolated the new nation under a cordon sanitaire, fearing slave revolutions of their own. The Haitian Revolution is thought to have inspired numerous slave revolts in the Caribbean and United States.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 12:37 AM
From: NY
Once he had control over all of Saint-Domingue, Toussaint turned to Spanish Santo Domingo, where slavery persisted. Ignoring the commands of Napoleon Bonaparte, who had become first consul of France, Toussaint overran it in January 1801, officially taking control on the 24th, and freed the slaves. Toussaint drafted a committee to write a constitution for the colony, which went into effect on July 7, 1801, establishing his own authority across the whole island of Hispaniola.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 12:54 AM
From: NY
The name Haiti was originally intended to mean the entire island, not just the western part, and in fact the present-day Dominican Republic was known briefly as Spanish Haiti. Bohio is yet a third indigenous name for the island.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 1:08 AM
From: NY
Jean-Pierre Boyer (possibly February 15, 1776 – July 9, 1850), Haïtian soldier and President of Haïti (1818-1843), born a free mulatto in Port-au-Prince, and educated in France. When Spanish Santo Domingo became independent in late 1821 Boyer was quick to invade and thereby unite the entire island by February, 1822.
Written by: John, 15 Apr 2007 3:03 AM
From: NY
Haitians and Dominicans are married to each other despite this hate that is spreading in the Dominican republic like wild fire. Haiti and the DR share the same history. Before there was the DR there was Haiti. The whole Island was Haiti under Toussaint Louverture whom abolish slavery and united Blacks, Mullatoes, and Whites. During that time every one was Haitian. Dominicans, please stop the hate. We are all one people govern by GOD.
From: sto dgo
dozens of dominicans are daily deported from US territories, and we can't consider that racism or discrimination, thats the law of soberanity each country has to do.Problem with haitians is not the color ,problem is they violate the inmigration laws of our country,they don't have permission to stay in DR.We are not supossed to solve the haitians problems of health,house work or education.France and USA have to do that,because they poored haiti.
From: Santo Domingo
We have so many haitian friends,but they live here with DR residence permission,legal,they are black too and nobody bother them, we pick up an haitien sugar cane cutter from a batey in Boca Chica sugar mill, and teach him to weld and play metal machining tools, and now he has his own fabric, house, car and family,but he has legallized residence papers and nobody bother him for the color or nationality,the issue is ,we cannot accept one or two millions of illegal haitiens here.
From: Santo Domingo
We don't hate haitians, may be haitians hate us by an inferiority complex due to the poorest and vulnerability status of illegality. But thats not our sin ,the circunstances that makes then unhappy are France and USA responsability, because they made them slaves,bring from Africa and let them in an desvasted territory,without education or future.Later USA put a criminal blockade that destroy the little and poor economy of haiti,because any haitians like to return to their country.
Written by: John, 18 Apr 2007 11:06 PM
From: NY
I've never experience hate between two countries of the SAME PEOPLE until I started reading comments posted by Dominicans on this web site. Why is there so much hate for Haitians by Dominicans? Why can't both countries come up with a system where people from both countries can move freely in each others' territory without the fear of being ILLEGAL. USA & Canada shares a border & has that system & it works fine. American & Canadian travel freely in each other's territory without any proble
From: New York
John,I appreciate the way you analyse things without going overboard or playing favorites.The funny thing is,Haitians on the other hand feel no hatred toward Dominicans despite the fact that our brethren are treated like animals over there.As a Haitian,I blame the successive Haitian governments for not creating jobs in our country to keep our citizens from crossing the border.The Dominicans are given a free rein to abuse,maim and kill Haitians with impunity and while Iam not advocating for ..
From: New York
us to return the hate,I think Haiti needs to reevaluate her relations with our revengeful neighbor.Dominicans should not be carrying our burdens and Haitians like me are not looking for any pity from a neighbor bent on avenging real and supposed events of the past.There can never be friendship and fraternity between two neighbors when one is perceived as weaker than the other economically and otherwise.Haitians needs to get their house in order and earn our neighbor's respect by electing ...
From: New York
more capable leaders.Until then,people like me will keep advocating for respect for our peasants in the DR left to fend for themselves by incompetent and irresponsible Haitians offocials with no sense of history and no vision whatsoever to solve the nation's ills and reclaim our past grandeur as the first Black Republic of the New World.Dominicans' racism and revengefulness will not go away by itself.
Written by: Jose, 25 Apr 2007 1:02 PM
From: New York
I agree with kern. You hit the nail on the coffin. On country is inferior to another and until Haiti gets its act together there will always be a problem with immigration. The DR can't hold the amount of haitians that are illegal. THey can barely content with their own population of poor and unemployed. Bottom line is haiti has to establish its self a nation. USA and Cananda have free borders b/c both countries have great economies. Canadians are not looking to stay in the US...
Written by: Jose, 25 Apr 2007 1:05 PM
From: New York
Canadians are just visiting. If you analyze USA"s relationship with the border nation of Mexico you see a double standard not applied to Canada. The poor are fleeing everyday to US and sent back to immigration which is similar with DR and haiti. We can't open the boarder man b/c al lhaitians want to stay in DR b/c of economic hardships in haiti. It's up to France and the US to help haiti not just with aid but with knowledge on how to manage the funds like they do with the DR...
Written by: John, 27 Apr 2007 11:06 AM
From: NY
Jose, please keep in mind not "all" Haitians wants to stay in the DR. I do not have a problem with DR regulating its border with Haiti. The problem I have with the DR is that DR does not recognize people of color that are born on its soil as Dominicans. AS an American if I was to go to the DR and have kids, they will not be Dominicans. This is insane.
From: Brooklyn
John, if you're an American, or any foreigner for that matter (yes, haitians are in this category), and arrive in the dominican republic legally any children born to you and your spouse would automatically be entitled to dominican citizenship.this right is only denied to those who are in the country ILLEGALLY.it's a question of law, not of color.
Written by: John, 16 May 2007 2:01 AM
From: NY
Valerio, the DR states that there are almost up to 1 million illegal Haitians in DR but does not state the number of legal Haitians. Do you know the number of legal Haitians in DR?
From: Santo Domingo
It really doesn´t matter, Mr. John. The results speaks for themselves: The Dominican Republic has followed a more democratic policy in its handling of foreign inmigration than it's neighbor, or are you forgetting the haitian policy of denying citizenship rights to any white inmigrant who had the misfortune of setting its foot there? For example, the establisment of succesful businesses by jewish inmigrants in the town of Sosúa, Puerto Plata. Or the succesful integration of (cont....)
From: Santo Domingo
british west indians and american inmigrants, ALL OF THEM FROM THE BLACK RACE. The point, Mr. John is this, Dominicana = Full citizenship rights to any LEGAL inmigrant of any race vs. Haiti = Black Supremacy, discrimination anti-white. As the Spanish saying goes: "Por sus frutos lo conoceréis".
From: Brooklyn, New York
Hide John, Enriquillo is out to get you... lol
From: Santo Domingo
LOL, no my friend Carlos Franco, it's just that I'm fed up of foreigners portraying us as "villains", when we dominicans are the greatest victims of this tragedy, even more so when they have to take into account that the existence of the haitian tragedy today is a combination of the mistakes made by european powers (France, Spain) and American foreign policy along with the haitian elites ineptitute and irresponsibility. It's like trying to blame the victim of a theft of provoking the crime.
From: USA/Gazcue, DR
We can go on and on about the history of Haiti and the DR. The fact of the matter is both countries were oppressed by the "conquistadores" which fought for more territory on the island of hispaniola but had one common goal. The slaves were brought to till the soil and the taino/arawak indians were worked to death. Present day haitians and dominicans are by products of this horrendous crime against humanity. We (Haitians & dominicans) need to work together for the sake of the island.
From: USA/DR
Dominicans need to realize that illegal haitian immigrants are the ones building bridges,resorts, & the metro for cheap low wages. As dominicans take yolas to Puerto Rico to do jobs the natives feel are beneath them and done by dominicans. The issue is when these people are exploited and abused by the same people that brought them there to work. Un día sin haitianos in the DR would be a nightmare for the elite dominicans. Both countries need to improve the quality of life of each respective
From: USA/DR
Indeed the illegal haitians in dominican rep needs to be curtailed. There must be a process that repatriate these illegals and return them to their Haiti. Now here is where dominican republic needs to recognise its wrong doing. Repatriating any person of dark hue and piling them up like sardines to the nearest frontier. There are many dark skin dominicans who are victimize by this form of discrimination. Why aren't white illegals hurdled in a truck like the illegal haitians?
From: Santo Domingo
The reason of that, mr. El Haitiano Jabao, the 95% of the haitian population is of african origins. Why is that, would you ask? easy, mr. El Haitiano Jabao, because their father of the fatherland, "emperor" Jean Jacques Dessalines practiced mass genocide against Haiti's non black population (former white colonists and people of colour or mulattos), so much so that when he almost succeeded on his monstruous task, the haitian elite had enough of him, so they "disposed" of him (cont...)
From: Santo Domingo
(cont...) so it's very easy, mr. El Haitiano Jabao, to confuse at first glance a dominican citizen of very dark hue with an haitian (and, if you know the repressive character of our armed forces, you'll know that, sadly, they have the custom of "shooting first then ask questions later"). With the level of miscegenation or "mixing" of the dominican nation, the people of the extremes (the ones with the darkest hues as well as the ones with the lightest) are very rare sights indeed, (cont...)
From: Santo Domingo
so bearing in mind all the above, you'll have to understand if your average dominican citizen (including the one that constitutes our largely illiterate armed forces), when he/she sees people of extremes hues, automatically takes them as foreigners, and, in the aforementioned case, to confuse the ones with evident african features as haitians.
From: USA/DR/Haiti
Enriquillo,
Let's not delve into history to create xenophobia. If that's the case then we would cry a river about the spaniards raping africans and killing of the tainos and the french raping africans and massacred the tainos on our side. Do think the spaniards had a romantic relationship with his property(dominicans). You guys are more mixed than we are because Trujillo promoted white immigrants Jews(Sosua),Canary Islands(El Cibao) and pushed all the blacks whether dominicans to Haiti...
From: USA/DR/Haiti
And indeed Dessaline massacred white french that could not speak creole..thus foriegnors..was it right..of course not..but can you understand his rage and revenge. That is questionable. There is still a large amount of mulattos and white haitians. As my name says "Jabao". we can't change history but as supposedly more enlighten people we need to overcome it. Trujillo use to powder himself to look whiter. Talk about an inferior complex. Dudes grandma was haitian. to be continued....
From: USA/DR/Haiti
Did Trujillo kill his haitian relatives too? Only if you guys knew how upper haitians & upper dominicans interact to keep the mass of both nations at each others throat to get richer. I recall when dominican businessmen and officials would come to my house as a child to have lucheons about "negocios". As an older man and more responsible person that had the privilege to travel different continents I had to re-program myself to become humble and not run over the less fortunate with my Yipeta.
From: USA/Haiti/DR
This is a new era where both nations need change and justice. I am not talking about giving them my land nor property..jjij..Fernandez is going in the right direction with education and health hopefully Preval will follow lead. Let's end the propaganda and move forward with each country respecting each other and her citizens. Giving history lessons will not stop dominicans from take yolas to puerto rico and elsewhere nor will it help the situation in haiti.....let's move on
Written by: Yardie, 12 Sep 2007 11:32 PM
From: new york
I am neither haitian nor dominican so i am not favorable to one side over the other. but i find it really messed up the problems haitian and dominicans have with each other. when it all comes down to it, it is one island so any problem haiti has it will burden dominican republic and VICE-VERSA, so probably the best way for dominican republic to handle the problem is to help the haitian government instead of just sitting back.
"one island"
From: USA/DR/Haiti
Yardie,
I appreciate your insight of things but you have to understand that DR elites and Haitian elites are fattening their pockets. More chaos in Haiti there is money to be made and with this drug issue it is making matters worse. The best tactic the domincan government use to avoid responsibility is blaming everything on the haitian and the haitian government blames everyone but themselves. So each poor mass has big misconceptions about each other and quarrel without knowing for what..
From: USA/DR/Haiti
cont.. Both countries need to have better understanding of each other in order for the misconceptions fade away. As I mention it is usually the poor dominican that despise the haitian and vice versa. Both have no economic power and very insecure of themselves. As I mention, most of these dominicans posting here won't get in to events of the high society and their dominicanism takes play by despising the dark skin haitian while they sit at colmados drinking and chasing women. to be continued
From: DR/USA/Haiti
While the haitian & dominican rant about history both blaming each other for a fight they where not even a part of. Both where toiling the field and where exploited. The dominican & haitian issue is like the house negro & the field negro in the USA. The negro in the house felt superior to the hard laboring field negro both had no significance in society. Fast forward it is still the same secenario. We are two different countries that derived from exploitation. It's time for both nations to ..
From: USA/DR/Haiti
end the divide and conquer and live in harmony for the sake of the island. We've been living on the island as each of us where from different ends of the pole and when force to look it the mirror fear and insecurity forces the to break the mirror and go about living as if neither existed. Let's work together than facing the other way.
Written by: Kate, 13 Sep 2007 4:20 PM
From: New Hampshire
I've said this before and I will say it again. D. R cannot absorb the poverty of Haiti. D. R. has a very large poor, unemployed population of it's own. How in the world can nations expect D.R. to carry such a burden when it is also a poor country. If the Haitians are so badly treated in D. R, then stop going there, but they won't because they are still far better in D. R. than in Haiti. Many have jobs, a little roof over their head and still eat a meal, which they couldn't get in Haiti.
From: USA/DR/Haiti
If haitians leave the DR then the little economy that thinks he could will roll back down the hill. You know what your right. Lets stop b4 haitians from contructing a metro that will be useless and not stop congestion. Ok going off topic but please don't assume that haitians are on welfare in the DR. They work hard and play an intricate part of DR's development. DR is benefitting more than losing or else the elites would create a scare tactic that would literally force haitians out of DR.
Written by: Kate, 21 Sep 2007 4:20 PM
From: NH
Excuse me, even if they are benefiting from Haitian cheap labor, they surely do not need $2 million of them. That is far too many. Perhaps what D.R. needs is a workers program where they can be contracted for certain types of jobs. They would bring them during the season when they need them, they would get paid and take them back when the job is finished. Agriculture labor is not all year round and the metro will not be in construction 4ever. Construction in D.R. is sporadic and not abundantly.
From: USA/DR/Haiti
Kate ven acá. Where did you get this 2million number from? There is approximately half a million-1million haitianos in RD. BTW, not all haitians provide cheap labor but are well paid professionals. The stereotypes that you dominicans have about haitians in the DR is laughable to say the least. It's not good to generalize.
From: Santo Domingo
Not all haitians provide cheap labor mr. Haitiano Jabao, but you can be sure that the percentage of cheap labourers must be on the 90%. According to the Education Department statistics, the haitian student population on dominican colleges is of 16,000 people. I believe that the haitian professional population must be aprox. 35,000. You can't blame dominicans for believing that the haitians are mostly field labourers when the haitian professional population is not that visible. (Cont...)
From: Santo Domingo
(cont...) and, if those professionals carry themselves with the same habits as the elites of both sides of the island, I doubtt that you'll find them on places that are visited by the common dominican joe, because, if both elites have something in common is the habit of isolating themselves from the eyes of the common people (the only ones breaking that custom being the politicians, because if there's something that characterize our politicians is their love of parading their fortunes).
From: UNION CITY
TO.GRAND-PIERRE AND MANIGAT.ALL THIS ARGUMENT HAVE NO REASON TO BE IF YOU KEEP ALL YOUR HAITIANS IN YOUR SIDE OF THE ISLAND. SO STOP BOTHERING US WITH YOUR BLA,BLA BLA JUST KEEP AWAY.!!!.
Written by: ket, 29 Nov 2007 1:36 PM
From: brooklyn
its a shame dat dis is goin on now...im not haitian nor dominican and i know dat haitians are everywhere in the carribbean because they want to provide a better life for their families and other countries accept them wit no problems...so dominicans who complains about haitians taking jobs etc... illegal immigrants and all dat...to me, they have deep issues regarding haitians in their country... u guys do not see that u all are BROTHERS AND SISTERS....u share a freaking island !!!
Written by: ket, 29 Nov 2007 1:40 PM
From: brooklyn
look at countries today such as St martin...its one island dat speak ducth and french...i dont think they have many hatred going on like da way haitians and dominicans do...so there is really deep hate issues regarding the two nations...oops my bad...dis ONE nation!!!!!..u guys need to get it together.. u have one island dat was split in half... it was one before ...wats da problem if u guys act like one nation again...u all related...
From: UNION CITY
TO KET. YOU MOST BE RELATIVE OF E.T. AND KET DOMINICAN AND HAITIAN ARE NOT BROTHER.
Written by: Rody, 8 Dec 2007 9:22 PM
From: NY
I'm Haitian and agreed with the Dominicans, we need to stay home and fight this corrupt government of ours. DR is a poor country just like Haiti, their people are suffering and uneducated just like us. Not to mention in the eyes of the whites they are black just like us. We should call for all Haitians to return home and let the Dominican cut their sugar cane and do those stupid slave paying jobs. Let's raise our voice against the corrupt Haitian government and stop fighting with Dominican.
From: Haiti
I say we need to build very powerful army and take our land back.
From: Haiti
Hispanola is the name of entire island, and i realy think that we rethink our policies, our political views and have one county. No just because your skin is light that doesnt make you a white person. My mother is dominican and my father is haitian and i am very proud to say that i am haitin regardless of my mom back ground. I dont go arround saying that yo soy latino because to be politicly correct latino is a RACE.
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To Jutland ,you want to build an army and take the Island back,you are half Dominican and you call yourself HAITIN???????. What if all Haitian in D R MARRIED Dominican Woman, and They call themself HAITIN?????,What about me i am DOMINICAN will I have a country anymore.............Remember if you know Haiti was The riches of the west Indies .until Dessalines killed all the WHITES .Duarte didn t kill all the ...blacks in this part of the Island . That is whay we are Suscessful,and Haiti is the POOREST Country of the Americas......WHITE DOMINICAN.
From: Haiti
Haiti is the name of the whole island, not just the western part of the island. my mom mother and father were from spain living in the DR and my mom just happen to be born there. Mr. ano
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it's a foolish assumption that a non-haitian such as myself would dedicate their study of history exclusively to haitian events or figures.i suggest that you, sir, gain a greater grasp of your own history so that you may realize you're attempting to defend the undefendable.
good! dessalinnes did not limit his killings to french only. i did not ask u to read exclusively haitian history, but all the histories of the world. i mean whenever u get time. let me repeat it again:"MY COMMENT IS NOT ABOUT DESSALINES OR TRUJILLIO, it's about preceived dominican racism. stop the bickering. we need higher discussions.please.
mr. manigat you made this statement as an insinuation that the men mentioned should have no relevance in the dealings between the two peoples today.how can a father of a nation have no relevance?in any event you lack precision in writing. it is an inferior peice that transmitted your ideas poorly.i would take the time to show you why this is so paragraph (cont'd)
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Now that u clarify the point, would you comment please.... I might have sinned against grammar, but the discussion is not about semantics. My english is not as perfect as yours. Should I add that my education is also limited. I am waiting patiently for your enlightned comments. We are not disputing, we are discussing. Two different propositions.
sort of like defining haitians residing in dominican soil as dominicans despite what the law says.in any event mr. manigat we dominicans will define ourselves. no one has a right to do that but us.
The new State of Haiti supported the abolitionist cause wherever possible.
Let's not delve into history to create xenophobia. If that's the case then we would cry a river about the spaniards raping africans and killing of the tainos and the french raping africans and massacred the tainos on our side. Do think the spaniards had a romantic relationship with his property(dominicans). You guys are more mixed than we are because Trujillo promoted white immigrants Jews(Sosua),Canary Islands(El Cibao) and pushed all the blacks whether dominicans to Haiti...
"one island"
I appreciate your insight of things but you have to understand that DR elites and Haitian elites are fattening their pockets. More chaos in Haiti there is money to be made and with this drug issue it is making matters worse. The best tactic the domincan government use to avoid responsibility is blaming everything on the haitian and the haitian government blames everyone but themselves. So each poor mass has big misconceptions about each other and quarrel without knowing for what..