“While the case was in process, the government changed its migration law in 2004 to specifically exclude the offspring of Haitian migrants from citizenship. The Dominican Constitution grants citizenship to those born on Dominican soil, except the children of diplomats and those “in transit.” That has long meant that the children of immigrants, no matter their legal status, gained Dominican citizenship.”
Again Dominican Today must sift through the mud, deliberately perhaps, flung at this country, even by the prestigious New York Times in a recent piece on of all things, baseball.
“Of course, Haitians contribute, too. They have long worked in the jobs Dominicans did not want to do.”
Again, Dominicans will not be forced to work in their own country, competing with undocumented foreigners who are forced to do the same job for less pay.
Even BBC Radio contacted us on this story, so for all former colonal powers, instead of dumping this hatred on the Dominican Republic, please return and redress your crimes…
jorge.pineda@dominicantoday.com
Written by: Cacique, 27 May 2008 3:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Strike two on The New York Times...
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian BS............................
Written by: arcatype 
, 28 May 2008 10:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The dominican goverment can and should override article 11 of the constitution, in the case of haitian illegal's. The situation in haiti remains the same terrible, and the population increases within the very poor. Dominican's cannot become a minority in there own country. there's a hell to pay, the D.R. needs to remain pro-active against N.G.O.'s and international pressure. The hell with all these attacks coming from the international community by those that are convinced in there mind, that the only way is to encourage haiti's neighbor in absorbing a population of impoverished and starving people! that at the end will damage the future of the Dominican Republic. Haiti is a country with many problems low employment, lack of food, water shortage, deforestation, crime, zero investment what a miserable neighbor.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
The stooges of these outsiders who refuse to see this situation as anything but a racial issue ....and refuse to examine the problem in its entirety are trouble makers and have another agenda....we all want justice for all ....the sovereignty issue is very sensitive one....historical scores to settle are another...and economics as well play a part....for these outsiders to call these people who disagree with them jibaritos and racists and dumbminicans is just as bad as the intolerant attitudes of some who preach hate in the opposite direction....this requires understanding and compassion...not bomb throwers....we are at the mercy of a leftist American press looking to sell papers
Written by: NYCDR, 28 May 2008 9:49 PM
From: United States
I have a couple of questions to ask.
1. These foreign governments who accuse DR of being racist. Are they sending money to help with the burden that the Haitian migration is causing the nation.
Its easy to make comments and speak of injustice as long as its not in your backyard.
Written by: NYCDR, 28 May 2008 10:05 PM
From: United States
Where is England fitting into all this? How much aid are we getting from the English when it comes to helping out with the burden of the haitians who are committing crimes, getting pregnant at early age etc.
I don't understand what gives any govt the right to pass judgment, if the english are so keen and quick to judge US for the treatment of the poor haitians then BY ALL MEANS TAKE THEM IN...BRING TO ENGLAND...PROVIDE THE AID THE HELP THE EDUCATION
ENGLAND...YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT. THE POUND IS 2XS MORE THAN THE US DOLLAR, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A BURDEN...
IF YOU WANT, TAKE THE HAITIANS TO SOUTH AFRICA, THE ISLANDS THAT ARE TO BE INHERITED BY PRINCE WILLIAM. ENGLAND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ECONOMICAL MEANS AND LAND AND OTHER RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF THE HAITIANS and give them a posh life.
OTHERWISE, SHUT UP...SNOB, COLD CALCULATED ARROGANT JERKS.
Written by: NYCDR, 28 May 2008 10:13 PM
From: United States
What crimes are we talking about the fact that we want preserve our nation!!!
Listen, they dont call themselves barbaric by what they did to Ireland, Scotland, South Africa, India, Australia to name some. Have you seen a real native Australian, they are mainly blond and white! think again!!!
Trust me, when it comes to England and Europe they are just trying to make sure that its not in their backyard.
Try going to France and you be a color person so that you can see the hard time you are going to get from the French. I work with scientists and it happens that some meetings are in Paris, the poor guy goes thru pure hell just because he is african and works in NY. He has to get lots of doc stating that he will return to the states...the answer you get from ze french is we have too many africans staying in our country. Well, we have too many haitians abusing ours...
Written by: Lautaro, 29 May 2008 7:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
As I said on an earlier article, the New York Times can't have it both ways: if they want the laissez-faire, american style capitalism that the US imposed on this country with their intervention on 1965 to prosper, they will have to swallow the fact that this type of situations are bound to be the everyday bread on the countries on which this type of system have been imposed, given the egotistical nature of it. If anyone of you don't believe me, then check the miserable track record of the Human Rights on Central American countries (excepting Costa Rica), and see for yourself.
On a last note, I agree with you wholeheartedly, mr. Pineda. Instead of gratituosly pointing fingers at us, those developed countries should really focus themselves on redressing the crimes that they committed on their respective colonies, specially France, which is the first culprit for the current mess, by their demanding such monstrous reparations before giving Haiti the recognition for its independence.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the frogs are fostering a lot of this negative publicty....it was the socialist mayor of Paris who held the premier of the propaganda film Sugar Babies thank you very much .........yes they are the ones who imported 10 times the number of slaves in their greed than the Spanish.....AI should look into their mess......how many cars have to be overturned in those wretched places they make their immigrants live in......again we dont need outside troublemakers.... we have enough outsiders posting on this site that call us Jibaritos and Racists and Dumbminicans.....along with an American lefty press and the know nothing congressional black caucus there are enough villains to go around
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
its simple! no Haitians allow! here!.. its enought with all the stupid problems we have here, why would the govemnet do this to fellow Dominicans that dont have jobs! "
“Of course, Haitians contribute, too. They have long worked in the jobs Dominicans did not want to do.”
thats the biggest bs ever heard in my life!!
From: Dominican Republic
All of the answers above sound far too much like over worded propaganda from both sides...stuff I have heard over and over again.
For those you who post from a country beyond the national borders, chances are you concern yourself with the price of good locallly in your own market...most of which originate in those countries not known for thier human rights and equality.
continued.....
From: Dominican Republic
continued...
So...the same goes for right here...a land basing itself on high profit based on cheap labour...the construction crews that build these mega complexes such as Cap Cana, Juan Dolio and Casa de Campo...just to mention a few high profile and mega high profit endevours rely heavily on Haitian labour for the simple reason that....when the average Dominican lives 40% below the cost of living a basic life ...they say the hell with that...no slave labour for me.
Without the hard work of many Haitian labourers...and yes...most are labourers...this country would be at a standstill as far as structural development goes.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I will make a, may be stupid question: Why the New York Times Journalist make lobby with his american fellow citizens, for getting Ameican citizenship to the baseball sportmen and all the suffering Hatians who desire to live ithe Dominican Republic?
From: United States, Brooklyn
Foreigners do the same when they come to the states, plenty of Mexicans & other immigrants come to the states & take the jobs that Americans won't do simply because of the pay or just to damn lazy to work, women come here pregnant or try to get pregnant so that they can have their kids here as a means of staying in the states & obtaining American documents, welfare, food stamps & Medicaid...
The problem is not the people, it's the thieves in government office that take away from the people.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
There are more where this link come from. Simply go open your eyes by reading this thread in the forum as WORLD CONSPIRACY BELIEFS: Do You Have One? That is the growing up people of the world need to do and both Haitians & Dominicans need to stop feeding the beast with the past created-inherited hatred that foreign conquerors had implanted in our minds as differences.
The real problems is not Haitian or Dominicans people but the doings of Global Governments ruling above small regional governments. Both Haitians & Dominicans can play, place and points blames left and right all they want to, but if as people we cannot open our eyes to the greater threats that is causing these turmoils, well then... we are all wasting out times.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623 Watch the videos, check out the given links and read between the goddamn lines you all bunch of idiots. We Need To Wake The Fock Up People !!!
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
famous Canadian wacko from the grassy knoll....Pay no attention ....twilight zone stuff
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: NYCDR, 17 Jun 2008 1:32 PM
From: United States
blknyer,
when i read your comment the only a few things come to mind. USELESS, BITTER, LOSER, AND who takes advantage of exploiting the less fortunate.
I am sorry to say this sir, but people like you should just die... :(
Written by: NYCDR, 18 Jun 2008 11:00 AM
From: United States
Sad sad sad man.
you sound like every other bitter person outthere.
I dont know your experience nor associations.
I cannot speak for the people who write here nor the people you interact with, but I can say that there are reasons for the feelings of these individuals who have a close interaction with their neighbors.
You on the other hand, what experience or interactions do you have.
Honestly, men like you are the reason there are bitter women in the world who regret giving birth...
:(
Are you dominican?
If so, you dont sound like it...for many reasons...
Written by: NYCDR, 18 Jun 2008 11:04 AM
From: United States
blknyer,
Another thing, if you are exploiting our women is because you like it, in every sense of the word.
That is another sort of issues you have with women in general, sorry I did not major in therapy or women hating men.
:(
Honestly, you deserve what will come to you...
Hell will be a picnic compare to your comings.
good luck , I hope men like you dont ever happen to your family female counterparts.. it will continue to create the bitter, sad, mad at the world for my shortcomings as you have in yours...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
He is probably an Afrocentric American with a chip on his shoulder we have a few ot them...they want to turn the DR into their private Mississippi
Written by: NYCDR, 18 Jun 2008 1:05 PM
From: United States
Gouletcolonial, those are strong words...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
NYCDR i hope you understand what i mean by that ....these are people who use their values and their cultural experiences to judge other peoples and think because the other people dont see it their way they are racists and stupid and they are gonna show you how we do it back in whatever
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
They are despised down island ...the enlish speaking islands
Written by: NYCDR, 18 Jun 2008 2:32 PM
From: United States
Well, my opinion on racism is as follows: Usually some use it as an excuse to not do enough with their lives. Others use it to say we cant do because its not in us to do, its white folk stuff.
both statements are stupid period...
the most bitter women and men I have ever seen no sun shines for these people...its pointless...
its not racism is pessism that keeps them where they are.. PERIOD!!!
there is a saying...
Written by: NYCDR, 18 Jun 2008 2:38 PM
From: United States
mientras mas feos se creen mas complejos tienen.
esto se llama miseria del alma...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
wise words NYCDR.....I think you are saying that pessamism is like the constant use of Victimization as the excuse for your own failure if you are I believe you are on to something.....I had not thought of it in those terms before....the more I give it thought the more rational it becomes.....THINK POSITIVE
Written by: NYCDR, 19 Jun 2008 5:26 AM
From: United States
Gouletcolonial, thanks.
: )
I am realistic in that I know and have experience racism among my self and people around me.
Trust me, that will not stop me from doing what I need to do. I continued to act cordial and appropriate, maybe my behavior may make them think twice next time, maybe not.. Its not my job to change them. It is my job to do what needs to be done for me, regardless of what the world thinks.
You define you.
A radio station in NYC always said "...everyday should be unwrapped like a precious gift"
it makes more sense to me as I get older.
I added: Its a chance to improve or fix anything that needs improvement in your life. Its a chance to see the better in people, to smile more, to see other ways to getting to where you want to be or go.
: )
: )
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
connie please take your lithium and remember to break the pill in half this time
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Oh okay, sure will do just that, you are right for sure... Indeed, lithium and break the pill in half this time - Got you clearly. Oh yeahhh. You have enlighten me who can contest that right? You sure told me!!!
Written by: bruni, 4 Jul 2008 5:48 PM
From: United States
This is one world. The home for all human beings. Your mother could be my mother. Your father can be my father. This is one world. This is one family on one Earth.
You are all great souls. Much love and peace to everyone.
Your love resides in everyone's soul.
B
From: United States
You people are a joke...On one page I read about the injustice done to Domincans trying to immigrate to the USA....Than i see this page..LOL! Look up the word: HYPOCRITE.
You want to have easy immigration to the US but keep the Haitians out of your country????
What a joke.
Have fun cutting your own sugar cane, LOL
Written by: NYCDR, 31 Jul 2008 9:22 PM
From: United States
1slackjaw, I have a question for you?
if your kids were starving and other kids were too would you feed the other kids or your own first.
no sharing no options either or. no in betweens etc...
chose one!!!
Written by: ibolele, 3 Aug 2008 12:23 AM
From: United States, Brooklyn,NY,USA
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Those hard working Haïtians are the building blocks of the Dominican economy. They are working at a starvation wage and every aspect of their human rights are violated. This is a flagrant violation of international laws.
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Aug 2008 5:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Au contraire, Ibolele, they're only the building blocks of the economy of only a handful of oligarchic scum, while the rest of the citizenry barely make ends meet at the end of every quincena. I can assure you that the majority of the harm from that starvation wage falls on the common dominican citizen, which is forced out of the labour market because of the unwillingness of those bleeding construction and agrarian consortiums to pay for their labour's real value. So, in order to make ends meet, a great part of our populace have either to turn to crime or to flee from the country altogether. As for you, slackjaw, there's a big difference between the haitian tragedy and the dominican one: We dominicans are in no way responsible for Haiti's historical plight (that "honor" belonging to the french and the haitian elite), while you americans, on the other hand, have played a big role in the tragedy of BOTH countries, by your irresponsible support to our elites since the past century.
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Aug 2008 6:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(cont...) Cases in point: The US support to the oligarchic military junta during the 1965 civil war and the ensuing Balaguer regime in the case of the DR. On Haiti, it would be their financial (and sometimes military) support to the Duvalier regime, and after this, the military junta that ousted Aristide on 1991 (Raoul Cedras, who is currently enjoying a golden exile on Panama, if you must know) and the thugs of the FRAPH which would oust him again on 2004 (Emmanuel Toto Constant, Guy Phillipe, etc..). All in the name of the gods "democracy" and "free markets". The same words that you used with us, Ibolele, I use in your case: You can't have it both ways. If you want the DR to continue being a capitalist, US style modelled country, you'll have to swallow your pride and accept some of the unsavory facts that are bound to come with the system, including our elites' despicable treatment to both the haitian inmigrant and the common dominican citizen alike. The ball is on your court now.
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Aug 2008 7:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
PS: It has been the DR the one which have had to pay the consequences of your two adventures against Aristide, in the sense of having to give asylum to the majority of the thousands of refugees fleeing from the murderous troops of the ex-Tonton Macoutes and other scum trained and supplied for by your country, and from the worsening of the existing socioeconomic conditions on Haiti caused by these disturbances, because your country practically blockaded the island in order to prevent the avalanche of haitian balseros to Florida, the natural consequence when disasters like those coups happen. So excuse me if I'm unable to swallow your hipocrisy on this case right now, considering that the high and mighty US is the first violator of your so called "ïnternational laws" (Does anyone knows what the US thought about the Geneva Conventions for POWs during their invasion of Iraq?). If the big fish ignore intl laws so easily, how could you expect the little ones to act any different, may I ask?.
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2008 9:57 AM
From: United States, Miami
Dominicans migrate for the most part legally to the US, a couple go to P,R. and most are sent right back by la Migra. Haitians have a country, it's called Haiti. A summary deportation order is fine with me, in lieu of the situation. Black americans, SHUT UP, you are the biggest group of reverse racists there is. You discriminate not only against, whites, hispanics, asians but against anyone of your own kind who is a tone lighter. Haitians help your country and stop bashing ours. There are millions of Haitians in Miami, stop buying strip malls to make them into churches and protesting in front of the immigration bldg on 79st and send some of your money to Haiti and you'll see how quicly things change. Dominican Republic is for the Dominicans, plain and simple.
Written by: santiago, 3 Sep 2008 4:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
just stop it........we going no where with this.
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1. These foreign governments who accuse DR of being racist. Are they sending money to help with the burden that the Haitian migration is causing the nation.
Its easy to make comments and speak of injustice as long as its not in your backyard.
I don't understand what gives any govt the right to pass judgment, if the english are so keen and quick to judge US for the treatment of the poor haitians then BY ALL MEANS TAKE THEM IN...BRING TO ENGLAND...PROVIDE THE AID THE HELP THE EDUCATION
ENGLAND...YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT. THE POUND IS 2XS MORE THAN THE US DOLLAR, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A BURDEN...
IF YOU WANT, TAKE THE HAITIANS TO SOUTH AFRICA, THE ISLANDS THAT ARE TO BE INHERITED BY PRINCE WILLIAM. ENGLAND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ECONOMICAL MEANS AND LAND AND OTHER RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF THE HAITIANS and give them a posh life.
OTHERWISE, SHUT UP...SNOB, COLD CALCULATED ARROGANT JERKS.
Listen, they dont call themselves barbaric by what they did to Ireland, Scotland, South Africa, India, Australia to name some. Have you seen a real native Australian, they are mainly blond and white! think again!!!
Trust me, when it comes to England and Europe they are just trying to make sure that its not in their backyard.
Try going to France and you be a color person so that you can see the hard time you are going to get from the French. I work with scientists and it happens that some meetings are in Paris, the poor guy goes thru pure hell just because he is african and works in NY. He has to get lots of doc stating that he will return to the states...the answer you get from ze french is we have too many africans staying in our country. Well, we have too many haitians abusing ours...
On a last note, I agree with you wholeheartedly, mr. Pineda. Instead of gratituosly pointing fingers at us, those developed countries should really focus themselves on redressing the crimes that they committed on their respective colonies, specially France, which is the first culprit for the current mess, by their demanding such monstrous reparations before giving Haiti the recognition for its independence.
“Of course, Haitians contribute, too. They have long worked in the jobs Dominicans did not want to do.”
thats the biggest bs ever heard in my life!!
For those you who post from a country beyond the national borders, chances are you concern yourself with the price of good locallly in your own market...most of which originate in those countries not known for thier human rights and equality.
continued.....
continued...
So...the same goes for right here...a land basing itself on high profit based on cheap labour...the construction crews that build these mega complexes such as Cap Cana, Juan Dolio and Casa de Campo...just to mention a few high profile and mega high profit endevours rely heavily on Haitian labour for the simple reason that....when the average Dominican lives 40% below the cost of living a basic life ...they say the hell with that...no slave labour for me.
Without the hard work of many Haitian labourers...and yes...most are labourers...this country would be at a standstill as far as structural development goes.
The problem is not the people, it's the thieves in government office that take away from the people.
There are more where this link come from. Simply go open your eyes by reading this thread in the forum as WORLD CONSPIRACY BELIEFS: Do You Have One? That is the growing up people of the world need to do and both Haitians & Dominicans need to stop feeding the beast with the past created-inherited hatred that foreign conquerors had implanted in our minds as differences.
The real problems is not Haitian or Dominicans people but the doings of Global Governments ruling above small regional governments. Both Haitians & Dominicans can play, place and points blames left and right all they want to, but if as people we cannot open our eyes to the greater threats that is causing these turmoils, well then... we are all wasting out times. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623
Watch the videos, check out the given links and read between the goddamn lines you all bunch of idiots. We Need To Wake The Fock Up People !!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay....8935117048624484&q=&hl=en wow I found another ...you mean we really did not go to the moon ? wow another conspiracy,just like Kennedy assasination was really a suicide wow
when i read your comment the only a few things come to mind. USELESS, BITTER, LOSER, AND who takes advantage of exploiting the less fortunate.
I am sorry to say this sir, but people like you should just die... :(
you sound like every other bitter person outthere.
I dont know your experience nor associations.
I cannot speak for the people who write here nor the people you interact with, but I can say that there are reasons for the feelings of these individuals who have a close interaction with their neighbors.
You on the other hand, what experience or interactions do you have.
Honestly, men like you are the reason there are bitter women in the world who regret giving birth...
:(
Are you dominican?
If so, you dont sound like it...for many reasons...
Another thing, if you are exploiting our women is because you like it, in every sense of the word.
That is another sort of issues you have with women in general, sorry I did not major in therapy or women hating men.
:(
Honestly, you deserve what will come to you...
Hell will be a picnic compare to your comings.
good luck , I hope men like you dont ever happen to your family female counterparts.. it will continue to create the bitter, sad, mad at the world for my shortcomings as you have in yours...
both statements are stupid period...
the most bitter women and men I have ever seen no sun shines for these people...its pointless...
its not racism is pessism that keeps them where they are.. PERIOD!!!
there is a saying...
esto se llama miseria del alma...
: )
I am realistic in that I know and have experience racism among my self and people around me.
Trust me, that will not stop me from doing what I need to do. I continued to act cordial and appropriate, maybe my behavior may make them think twice next time, maybe not.. Its not my job to change them. It is my job to do what needs to be done for me, regardless of what the world thinks.
You define you.
A radio station in NYC always said "...everyday should be unwrapped like a precious gift"
it makes more sense to me as I get older.
I added: Its a chance to improve or fix anything that needs improvement in your life. Its a chance to see the better in people, to smile more, to see other ways to getting to where you want to be or go.
: )
: )
Oh okay, sure will do just that, you are right for sure... Indeed, lithium and break the pill in half this time - Got you clearly. Oh yeahhh. You have enlighten me who can contest that right? You sure told me!!!
You are all great souls. Much love and peace to everyone.
Your love resides in everyone's soul.
B
You want to have easy immigration to the US but keep the Haitians out of your country????
What a joke.
Have fun cutting your own sugar cane, LOL
if your kids were starving and other kids were too would you feed the other kids or your own first.
no sharing no options either or. no in betweens etc...
chose one!!!