photo caption....." josean you promised you would marry me if I did the dirty thing with you "

apart from feeble attempts at humor this is so sad for many reasons but the children having children is tragedy and more tragedy

They have kids like rabbits, they multiply like there is no end.
It's like the locust plague.
But they can sure carry things in top of their head, we have to learn how they do it.
I heard once in a batey a Haitian woman was cutting sugar cane and she stopped to have a baby...
then she carried the baby in one hand, milked him and continue chopping cane with the free hand.
That's what you call survivor instinct and mind toughness.
Dominicans are not that tough and certainly lazier.
The Haitians sure deserve better, but not even their next door neighbor Fidel, has wanted any part of the Haitian mess.
It's another time bomb waiting to implode.

you all quit being morons, ofcourse they're going to be producing like rabbits they don't have access to birth control or free condoms or even shown how to control themselves, and yes its bad for those childrens because they might not live enough to even see light, as their starving parents might just be taken out of this world.

An injustice to one is an injustice to ALL!

Gc: extremely funny..........

Chauncey,

You see your like Sarah and McLame you bring the best out of people!

damn...

Funny Americans are saying the very same thing about the Latino community in the USA that we have kids and multiplying like rabbits. Oh the irony (lol)! Anyway, it is funny that all the bad treatments, critics and discrimination that Haitians receive from Dominicans, Dominicans receive exactly the very same from Puerto Ricans when they migrate to PR.

FYI at one time there was reverse immigration in DR from Puerto Rico, I believe it was in the 1930's or 1940's when Puerto Ricans were migrating in mass to work in DR including in the sugar cane fields. Check your history.
Haitians in Haiti discriminate against Dominicans just as bad and they label them uncultured, lazy and half breeds by the educated Haitian elite. Which might be true because the majority of Dominicans that emigrate to Haiti now are involved in contraband, prostitution and the drug business.
In Port Au Prince the majority of hookers are Dominicans women.
So it all depends from which side of the fence you are being judged.

US Coast Guard repatriates 146 Dominicans.

DAMN BOAT PEOPLE.......Why don't you hop on a boat and live the Island of AYITI to AYITIANS.....
Last time I checked before Columbus invaded the Island was called "AYITI" and last time I checked after Haiti won its independence in 1804 the island was renamed AYITI by Dessalines in honor of the Taino people. But you Dominicans are such brown nosers you insisted on keeping the name HISPANIOLA because it reminds you of the mother land or at least makes you feel like you are Spaniards......LOL LOL LOL,,,,,,,,,,Hispaniola...LOL LOL LOL how about calling it AYITI like the original owners of the island named it.

Beam Me Up Scotty No signs of Intelligent Life Here!

BTW a word about free condoms to the NGO's and international organizations that issue them
for free.
Try to procure a size that fits these guys, what I have been told is that they hand out these cheap Thailand made condoms that are for orientals not Haitians!
These guys laugh when they try them on as they are made for midgets not healthy Haitians and wont wear them because they are too small.
Joseano would know more about this because of his first hand experience hand fitting them to
clients.

A LITTLE penis ENVY ah generosa!

Josean you took the words right out of my mouth

It's Joseano gaticapequena JOSEANO or Joseanus whatever you prefer!

gatitapequena,

God was not GENEROSO to generosa with GENITALS or BRAINS!

We need to come up with a plan to detect pregnant women coming from Haiti. Is not easy for a woman to come crossing the border with a baby in the belly. We need to find a way to help them in their country to avoid lives being lost either in the way to Dominican Republic or while in Dominican Republic. I understand the frustration that Dominicans feel when they see this kind of situations happening. However, we need to understand that Haitians are doing the same thing that we as Dominican do immigrating to other countries, looking a better way of life. I feel for my Dominican brothers in Puerto Rico and in the U.S and also know the discrimination and aggression they go through in a foreign country. Putting ourselves in the position of other is how we know what would it be like, before spewing hatred let us think about that for a moment. http://nicolasdelvalle.wordpress.com/

ndelvalle, where did you spring up from? this site has been in dire need of sanity, and you have brought us some. a hearty welcome.

So much garbage is written by the posters in this thread! Haiti is transforming RD into a satellite of Haiti! Haiti is dumping their problems to DR. The Haitians in DR are taking resources and subzidies from the Dominican society while at the same time, the Haitians are bringing in diseases, poverty, no skills, violence, and contraband (drugs, dirty money, agriculture products, and weapons).
Seriously, we must stop the Haitians and kick them back to theHOLE that gave birth to them!!!!

greenwave,

You statement above was paraphrased at a KLAN RALLY!

"So much garbage is written by the posters in this thread! DR is transforming the US into a satellite of DR! DR is dumping their problems to the US. The DOMINICANS in US are taking resources and subzidies from the US society while at the same time, the DOMINICANS are bringing in diseases, poverty, no skills, violence, and contraband (drugs, dirty money, agriculture products, and weapons).
Seriously, we must stop the DOMINICANS and kick them back to theHOLE that gave birth to them!!!!"

I am sure you are proud!

Joseanus;
You seem to be fascinated with the whole subject of penis size, since you were the one who brought up the subject seems to me you are delighted by penis talk and it excites you.
FYI my penis size is only relevant to my female partner and not subject to public discussion, on the other hand your infatuation with the subject denotes a strong inclination for penis curiosity and
deviant homosexual tendencies.
Your molestation of otherwise serious comments with your black humor denotes intolerance as well and a tendency for admiration of strong male dictator figures like Chavez and Fidel that satisfy your repressed sexual fantasies about them. Joseano just come out of the closet!

NOW generosa do you expect us to believe you really have a girlfriend?

Inflatable Rubber dolls do not count!

josean will come out like Fibber Mgee with a clatter....not that there is anything wrong with that

Its McGee, be careful with your spelling generosa is reading every word!

Thank you dreadlocks, people like us who still have a conscience need to step up and open the harts of our Dominican brothers, is not their fault, that hatred was planted there by our ancestors and is about time that we get rid of it. Is by opening our harts and getting rid of the greed that covers our lives that we will survive the 21-century struggle. http://nicolasdelvalle.wordpress.com/

ndelvalle, you are new to this forum, and, with time, you will get it. like any other, it runs the gamut from the posters who are well thought out, to the mentally challenged. if you stick around long enough, you will realise that the DR is blessed with some solid minds. there are guys whom you probably have read, such as Lautaro, Baldoria, and FranktheTank, who are trying to offer meaningful solutions to the issues which face us, especially in today's trying times. i need not tell you this, but you will be fine as long as you ignore the rabid racists and incoherents who debase the premises for those who want to contribute to a serious discourse.

They still receive the same treatments as dominicans for free, no questions asked about their legal status. But of course, we're still evil. Righ, dread? ...moron.

trujillo, you appear to be yet one other idiot looking for a fight. i made a specific attempt not to offer any commentary on the issue, because i know how flammable this Dominican-Haitian nexus can get. so, i posted no opinion on it. yet you, in your colossal ignorance, attack me, calling me a moron, no less. ndelvalle, i rest my case.

It appears that ndelvalle has political ambitions, as his statements are very paternalistic.
I visited his blog although and it seems well organized, with the exception of the many typo's
that should be corrected.
Anyway political ambitions or just social awareness is meritorious and is a step forward instead
of the self serving and sometimes slanderous comments that the typical left wing idiots and fellow brain washed travelers, like you all know who, constantly emit from their cyberspace caves.
If this was a real live debate they would have been booed and kick out of the auditorium long ago
because of the shallowness of their discourses.
Imagine when their feeble and confused fuzzy thinking is destroyed by the truth and facts then as
usual and customarily resort to slanderous sexist comments and innuendos.

generoso, do i take it to mean that the comments from the right wing are not self serving and slanderous?

Heys guys have a good laugh connecting to this site, it tells all about the likes of Joseano, Belial, et all:
http://hunderi.com/flash/Movies/9m.htm

dreadlocks;
Yes the right wingers are slanderous as well, but the majority of the slander in this column comes from the comments that are obviously left oriented in DT.
Center or moderate left or right does not cloud your better judgement and provides impartiality
to your thinking.
Extremes are bad, but we fall for them time and time again because we are ruled by our emotions.
Just like the justice system when it looses it's impartiality it becomes corrupted and rotten.

Dominicanation, the island was called Ayti and Quisqueya by the natives. Dominicans refer to the island as Quisqueya, its on our national athem, its on many songs... The island is refered as to the "Hispaniola" in historic books.... I am nearly positive that all Dominicans call it Quisqueya. "Quisqueya la Bella" God Bless it!

Joaquin Balaguer spoke about this tragedy in his masterpiece "La Isla Al Reves". Haiti is truly a weird country, it's almost like a nightmare in the making a horror film at best. If anyone is interested in reading the truth about Haiti i recommend the following book. "The Haitian Drama" History taking the wrong turn, written by Antoine A. Raphael a haitian author. Here's a link from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Haitian-Dra....oks&qid=1223955644&sr=1-1

arkatype, is that the book in which he refers to black people as "vegetable matter"? just asking.

arkatype, you are a pathetic case. i wonder how a person who harbors so much hatred in his heart can make it through the day. ever considered psychotherapy? just asking.

just a little advice to you, arkatype. Be careful how you treat people you meet on the way up, because they are the same people you will meet on the way down. or, as we say in new york" most of us are only a few paychecks away from homelessness". so, be careful in expressing your disdain for the haitians and their country. the way the world is going, a good old -style depression in the USA and Europe can render the entire caribbean a group of haitis. so, exercise some caution. who knows? should they find gold or diamonds, you yourself might be looking to move there if things go bust here.

jajajaja, jack schitt i've known this story since i was a baby, your funny, this is old, is there any fresh schitt out there,.............MMMMMMEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!, opppps i don't have a baggie for my schitt, jajajajaja

gatita, maybe you should post BEFORE the Brugal.

Hey Dreadlocks "denial is a haitian virtue" Thats why Haiti is the way it is, apart from being an extremely racist country.

nicky del vale do you live in edmonchuk or just take the courses on line from somewhere else in the frozen north?

Arkatype, Mr. troglodyte and proud of it. and too dumb to understand.

Another victim of the haitian mulatto elite! That's bamboozled the likes of himself. The truth hurts Yummuk3, it hurts alot. The only hookers in this thread are haitians, you are living leeches that thrive under retrogression and self-destruction.

Mr. troglodyte, Clowns are the ones who laugh at themselves; they don't make the joke, they are the joke

OOOOOOOhhhh my, did i rufful up them feathers, wit da men in here, can't handle a real woman's opinion, racisim is really showin in here, you all really need to get a life and stop judging people by where they live, the color of their skin, the length of their lips or whatever you all are drawing sticks from, because no one has given you the crown to be judgemental, fortunatly theirs more to life than you guys, i feel bad for your alls significante others.

gatita, i have been on several blogs, and i have never seen one such as this. it should be made the subject of a sociological study; i am serious. i am sure that there are neo-nazi, skinhead websites, wherein really scurrilous things are said. but DT is not far behind. one could not imagine, in their wildest dreams, that a blog in a caribbean country, wherein the vast majority of the population is of african ancestry, could be so racist. it is sad to see that these cro-magnons have not evolved, culturally or socially. it is one thing to be uneducated, but to be a rampaging racist is beyond the pale. some wear it as a badge of honor. they should all be sent to live in some neighborhood in the backwoods of alabama, for instance. after a few hours, they would be given constant reminders that they are not as white as they think! as Manhattanite says, this is the boondocks of the internet.

along comes another advocate of ethnic cleansing, salty. might you tell us, salty, what is so special about yourself that you deserve to live, while haitians deserve to be eradicated? just asking. maybe you do have qualities and virtues which contemporary civilisation cannot do without. luckily, you came along at a point in history wherein cloning is looking feasible. should your demise be slow and apparent, at least you could be cloned, so as to facilitate the continuity of the planet.

dread,

Do not offend ALABAMA!

i will try not to in future. on the other hand, Alabama would surely offend some of these neanderthals.

True indeed you are, maybe they should start the "Black Elite Neo-Nazi International Club", sure would like to see the Black and White match-up, ok all you haters start joining we all know who you are, really you haven't up to this date shown anything, but.

newsflash, Gatitapequena; they already have their club. sadly, i have never read yet one intelligent remark from any of them. i guess their worldview is a function of their illiteracy.

I find it puzzling the fact that some of these "brownnecks" haven't been banned yet, dread, while Belial, whose only fight was against imperialism, was unceremoniously dumped in the trash bin.

Mr Lautaro, you read my mind. it sure is strange that Belial was removed for being anti-imperialist, yet people who advocate the slaughter of Haitians have nothing to fear. besides, why should the pro-imperialists be allowed to operate unmolested, if Belial cannot have his say? at least he never advocated violence and mayhem. it gives one cause to ponder the moral compass of the directorate of DT. as to those who celebrate his exit, it just goes to show that they are just as tyrranical and dictatorial as the dictators they despise. i guess that the only time they disagree with dictatorship is when they are not the dictators.

I guess this one time that our local goose steppers agree with FDR with regard to "good dictators and bad dictators" qoute:

President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) supposedly remarked in 1939 that "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch.

yes, Josean, you are correct on that. is it not entertaining that all these miami cubans have suddenly discovered the joys of "democracy"? look at someone like Gloria Esfefan. all anti-Castro, and all that. but she did not have a problem with dictatorship when her daddy was bodyguard to Batista, and her family was living large. it is not dictatorship they dislike; it's who is the dictator!

Mr Dread:

Why Haitians always get offended when Dominicans try to express any truthful opinions about real issues, I believe on my humble opinion that this doesn't help your people improve current conditions but instead make things worse since your people are always looking for a scapegoat to put the blame and not yourselfs, your goverment and your country. At the end Haiti and haitians will never move forward, You guys need to learn to separate race from reality.

It goes to show that, unlike what the GOP's over here want the people to think, democracy and free markets are not one and the same, dread. Heck, they're not even synonymous if one would take the history of the last three decades as a sample. For example, the fact that the US is not as vocal with human rights abuses in the case of China as it's in the case of Cuba, just because the latter don't give itself the luxury of falling prey to the forces of free market as it's the case of the former.

Dreadlocks you are the typical haitian playing the victim, and the race card is your shield. Haiti is the most ignorant country in the caribbean, blacks and mulattos? that only comprise %3 of the population divided the country in the 1800's. And still you guys remain divided the hatred from the mulatto or half caste in Haiti against the black majority is blatantly redicules, i know it brings shame to you as a people but guess what is not our problem is yours the truth hurts. Also just because we share the same island it dont mean your people have a free pass into the club, we dont want your retrogressive types in our soil.

first of all, arkatype, i would consider it a badge of dishonor to be associated in any way with the likes of yourself and Rubirosa. therefore, the notion of being in any semblance of a "club" with you is repellant to my sensibilities. you guys are lasting evidence and verification of Darwin's theory of evolution. i am, however, inclined to question his ideas at times. surely mankind could not have evolved from apes like you and Rubirosa? i see where you are attempting to take your intellectual direction, if it can be called that, from GC. i rest my case.

well said, Mr Lautaro. then again, morality was never the strong suit of the USA. it does not dislike dictatorship and tyranny as a principle, only particular dictators. it did not mind Papa Doc, Somoza, Batista, or any other foul types, because they were anti-communist. today, they abide the antics of Saudi Arabia and other islamic absolute monarchies, solely for economic reasons. even a repressive regime like China gets a pass, because they can lend money. you have to remember that during the 1960s, the heyday of apartheid in South Africa, only Israel and the USA supported the policy, vetoing numerous United Nations resolutions to condemn the practice. and Israel supplied the cattle prods which the police used to such great effect in torturing the people.

To Dreadlocks: And he still ignores the truth, the blatant racism in Haiti which today still exist. Racism to such an extreme it has rendered and manifested itself in the dyre poverty that exist in Haiti even today as we post. Like i said it before "Denial is a haitian virtue" what's new!!!!!

that is not true belial the disgusting racist pig said how much he would love to set that disco that was placed of limits to US embassy staff....Set on fire so he could watch the people inside being burned to death that swine of a pig in this day and age when people actually do that kind of thing thought that was amusing

arkatype, one quick question; how come it is that you never post any opinions on the economy, or world events, or technology, or any such issue? the only time you crawl out of your hole is when the word Haiti pops up in the thread. do i take this to be vindication of my suspicion that you know nothing else? how about your take on alternative fuels, for instance? what do you think will be the effect on the economy if we were to plant sugar cane for conversion to ethanol? what would you suggest as a good strategy for value added production here? should the central bank lower the interest rates any time soon? any opinions? or would you just rather be a one trick pony, trashing Haiti? it does get tired, you know.

Dreadlocks Again the article is talking about haitians LOL! Why dont you talk about your country and it's problems? is the solution to the problems in Haiti illegal migration to the Dominican Republic and elsewhere? But your types are the one's that criticize others but dont utter a word of criticism on the real problem the haitian state it's inept goverment and its racial discrimination from the lighter skin haitians against the majority black haitians. We dont want the burden created by your society, we dont want your types in our country!!!!! PERIOD. Thats my stance, you dont like it too bad.

by your types dread do you know what he means by that ?

well do you ?

no GC, i do not. but, as someone who has been expunged from half the countries of the known world, you should be, by now, an authority on the subject of undesirability. and it would become you to stop being so officious, acting like you are a native Dominican. i do not take issue with arkatype if he does not welcome me to his country. for every one like him, there are hundreds who have the opposite sentiment. you, on the other hand, are some post colonial relic, bounding around the earth, acting like you are a native something or other. you are no more Dominican than i am, and i am sure i have more friends here than you do. that is, if you have any friends at all. as they say, a rolling stone gathers no moss; no more than a rolling load of cow poop.

jajajaja, here we go again, ya'll need to get a poop bag and put your schitt in it, it's really stink'n in here.

Well, dread, if he had some sense, he'll not be advertising his french origins, after all, even though the common dominican joe generally doesn't have a clue about the island's history, he still remembers (and resents) the fact that the french have some of the fault for the mess in which Haiti finds itself in.

that is one big "if", Mr Lautaro. this poor guy does not know whether he is afoot or horseback.

Maybe he had too much rum with his little gang of whores and lowlifes at the colonial zone, still dreaming with seeing a revival of the Havana of 1959.

lautaro because they rejected you for a part as a cuban pimp in the movie you have to be mean to me and although my name is french my origins are Corsican via Marseilles we spit on the french ....also Archie is a patriot he may get carried away but he does not want caricom troublemakers and BCC people like Maxine Waters coming here and telling him his stuff

Everyone believes that birth control and sex education is a panacea. But reality has proven otherwise. The US gov't started a campaign years ago to deal with unwanted births and STD but it did not work as expected. The US continues to have a high rate of teen pregnancies even after having some years of decline. Abortions today are just as prevalent as ever and sexually transmitted infections continue to increase in unprecedented numbers. This is happening here and now in the great USA, one of the richest countries in the world. So giving birth control to Haitians is not going to stop this epidemic. It will only be an aspirin to aleviate the headache, just like everything else that has to do with Haiti. Nothing is done to give this country a permanent solution to any of its problems. So please, let us stop this Haitian bashing, concentrate your time and energy to figure out how to help these people. This will be the only way we can get rid of the Haitian problem in the DR.

guillermone maybe you want to run for a position or something like that at lionels place, because believe me if you have a clue how to get started on helping the haitians, lionel would probably be glad that his brain has been found

You might be joking, but believe me, I wish I could run for office, because I don't like what I see happening with the Haitianization of the DR. And all we do is just stand right there and watch. But many Dominicans themselsves are to blame and part of the problem. They help perpetuate it because of indifference or by becoming smugglers of Haitians. What ignorant fools, probably don't realize the damage they help cause. The US and many countries in Latin Ame heavily penalized those involved in human traficking. Unfortunately the DR justice system looks the other way or imposes very light sentences. Not quite much of a deterrent. Nevertheless, I do realize that it is not going to be easy to find a solution, but it is better then to whine, complain or just do nothing. It is a matter of the survival of our culture and the dignity of a sovereign nation. Otherwise, don't be surprised if we wake-up and end up one day singing the national anthem to "La Nueva Republica Hispana de Haiti."

Don't be so pessimistic, guillermone. After all, if Cuba, which is almost as dirt poor as Haiti is have been able to maintain its population frozen on the 11,000,000 ceiling, then I don't see why Haiti could not achieve a similar feat, given the proper time and aid, of course.

Back to the topic at hand- I wonder a bit at this report since East SD is a long way from the border- it would seem far more likely that Dajabon and Pedernales and San Juan would have these births- if people were entering specifically for that. I wonder why the DR does not actually post the number of Haitian births registered under the "libra rosada" and bill the Haitian government for services rendered? Or why they don't set up clinics or medical programs on the border? This report seems very odd to me.... just likely to set up the sort of discussion that we have here.

¡Sort of "Entra si Quiere y Sal si Puede!"

I don't even know what to say about the birth control or condom issue. As far as pregnant Haitian woman crossing over to the DR to give birth is in a way understandable. I mean, with Haiti being so poor and the crisis going on they are desperate for themselves and their babies. A lot of people may wonder why get pregnant in the first place, but, it's done there is nothing she or anyone can do but to try to atleast give their baby a decent birth to begin with. TRUST ME when I say giving birth is no walk in the park, imagine doing it with no medical help cuause a lot of them probably can't even get to a hospital or the hospital might not be in the greatest shape, oh, and don't forget the risks of complications!!! They are putting their life and the life of their unborn little one at risk to get to the DR which to them may be a better place! If that's not an act of desperation I don't know what is!!

Lautauro-that is a bad comparison. Cuba my be materially poor, but it is so far advance in so many other respects. I have been to both countries and in Cuba you do not see the misery or people starving in the streets or beggers like you see in Haiti. Haitians are 10 times better off living Cuba then in their own country. As a matter of fact their are many Haitians living in Oriente, Cuba I saw it with my own eyes. Just ask any native from that section of the country. Aside from that Cuba still has the financial support of Russia and Chavez from the Oil rich country of Venezuela. Cuba just like the DR has a strong Spanish supported tourism industry and thousands of tourist flock there every year. They have a medical industry comparable to any developed country which caters to foreigners. Cuba has student from all over the world that go to study in their universities. I can go on and on, so please compare apples-to-apples.

Tell that to the likes of GC, guillermone. For him, Cuba is nothing more than a colony of Hell on earth. My point is, if the people has the will to change their environment, they'd do so even if they have to move heaven and earth to do so, no matter the comparative lack of resources that they may find themselves with, which have been the cuban case, because, despite the economic blockade of the big brother up north, they have shown that they'd not let this blockade to prevent them from accomplishing their goals. Sadly, from what I have gathered in my few trips to Haiti, that will of the people to change their environment is noticeable for its absence in its people, because they, as their dominican counterparts, have gotten into their minds that, no matter what they do, the grass will always be greener on other countries than in their own backyard. It's sad to say this, but the people on both sides of the fence need to be taught that change have to begin in themselves first (cont.)

(cont..) before things can start to change for the better on their respective communities.

Tell that to the likes of GC, guillermone. For him, Cuba is nothing more than a colony of Hell on earth......Cuba what a paradise the tropical gulag where people can speak their mind without fear....you are fools to believe if the people had a choice they would choose repression and TOTALITARIANISM.....but we already knew that

GC said: "you are fools to believe if the people had a choice they would choose repression and TOTALITARIANISM"

Have you asked some folk in the streets if they want to see "El Jefe" back? Trust me, I had, and the answers have been positive in the majority. Not a heartening thing to witness, I tell you.

GC, haven't you listened to the phrase that says: "Donde esta el pan, esta la patria" (The fatherland is where the bread is)? It means that people will choose whatever regime secures for themselves the neccessary things to make their life sustainable, not caring if they have to sacrifice abstract principles like democracy and the like to attain their ends. For example: The germans didn't think twice before sacrificing the Weimar Republic to Hitler's ambitions. Why? because the Republic was unable, or incompetent, to protect them from the pernicious effects that the crash in the stock markets on Wall Street had on the german economy.

just like the Hungarians in 1956 and the poles before them and all the rest who were enslaved by this horrible system you so admire ...You are to young and spoiled to know any better ....you can like the students for goofy opinions about lefty ideals but most grow out of it

I'll only tell you this: every time that you choose to talk about "democracy" or "freedom" to the common dominican joe, he'll only ask you this: ¿Con qué se come eso? (How that can be eaten). Trust me, this will hold true on 90% of cases. In other words (and I find it surprising that you haven't learned this by now, living on this country and all), on this island, both dominicans and haitians are only concerned for SURVIVAL, nothing more, nothing less. So they couldn't care any less if democracy goes to hell, as long as this sacrifice affords them with the necessary things to make this survival a possibility.

lautaro this is true everywhere ...but there has to be more of a choice than the castro brothers offer

We had a same problem in Serbia with Albanian population that was reproducing faster than Serbians from Kosovo, so at the end, this people just separeted the big piece of the land for them. We gave them schools in their language, Universities in their language, street names in their language, so...

Then why are you advocating for us to use the same (failed) solution that you applied, eh Milos? Would it not be better for us to teach them spanish in order for them to study a career in order to rise above the level of cane cutter and get a decent life for a change? last I heard, haitians still have to learn a foreign language in order to study a professional career out there, so we'll be doing them a favour. The key to the haitian tragedy lies in the separate form in which the populace and the elites live their lives, the latter living and speaking in the french while the former living in the same tribal way that their maroon forefathers lived, excluded from any intercourse whatsoever with the forms of western civilization. We'll do well in not replicating that flawed model, if we want to avoid the disaster that befell colonial Saint Domingue (Haiti), that is....

Guillermone,
that is what you wish to happen, "La Nueva Republica Hispana de Haiti." Uh.
It is true Dominicans, and other latinos face the same issues when they migrate to other countries, but keep in mind Dominican Republic is not a Developed rich country like USA.
At this time DR can not afford more missery than they already have.

Dreadlock, you shoul;d direct your well of energy to directly help Haitians in their mainland. Have you phically been there? I defenetly think you should canalize all that energy adn turn it to use instead of getting all worked up in a blog.

poponlaburra-No definitely not!!! I do not wish to see the DR become a Spanish Haiti. But if we let things go on as I see, this massive influx of undocumented Haitians, the indifference of the authorities to allow this non-military passive invasion, plus the pressures of the international community, I just don't envision anything else. Let me explain, upon my return to the DR after a 6 year absence, I was amazed to see so many Haitians all over the place. I am from the Cibao region and growing up as a child, I rarely saw a Haitian face, but now I could not believe what I saw, to what had happened in such a short time. A US friend that accompanied me stated and I quote,"are we in the Haiti or the DR?" When i arrived at my parents home, I was surprise that among the four domestic servants, only one was a Dominican, the rest, were Haitians. Every street vender all over town and even the beggers were all Haitians. Now you tell me, what do you think will happen to DR in 20 more yrs?

four domestic servants ? interesting, to say the least! maybe you should ask your parents why they hired the three haitians, and not local dominicans. maybe, just maybe, your parents are contributing to the very malaise which seems to unsettle you. think about it!!

Well dreadlocks, it's just a matter of economics. You heard of "Supply and Demand." The Haitians are displacing the Dominican worker; It is as simple as that. It would not happened had it not been for an oversupply of the very cheap Haitian labor and the refusal of the natives to work for the same pay as a desperate Haitian worker. Do your math. Besides, it is much more cost effective to employ them, then to allow them to pillage, rob, rape and kill you. They did that in 1822 and they could do it again. I look at it kind of like a safety issue, a cheap form of a crime deterant. What do you think would happen if you allow thousands of young unoccupied Haitians males to aimlessly roam the streets of the DR? Right. We have no choice, in the mean time give them a job while DR immigration officials get their act together. It is ultimately their responsibility to deport, prevent their entry and enforce laws not to employ illegals in DR. I don't expect my parents to become martyrs.

nice rationalization , Guillermone. next time i see a guy selling stolen property, i will buy it from him. that way, he will have some money is his pocket, and will not have to rob me instead. guillermone, go and read what you just wrote. besides, does it matter who robs and pillages you? don't you think that the unemployed Dominicans might do the same to you?

dreadlocks,
you'll be surprice, but trust me on this, most of the time Dominicans hire Hatians because they fell pity about them.

thanks for that tidbit of info, poponlaburra. so, next time i see all those guys cutting cane, and toiling in the sun on construction sites, i guess it is safe to assume that they are there because Dominicans feel sorry for them!

Dreadlocks: how you take things out of context and twist it around. I said "DETERANT" Do you know the meaning of the word? I did not state that giving a job to a Haitian would be an effective method for crime prevention. It is not the same. Eventhough it is ILLEGAL to be undocumented in the DR or in any country of the world, one thing for sure, it is NOT IMMORAL. But a thief is a person who commits an inmoral act. Anyone who knowingly buys stolen merchandise is just as guilty of this inmoral act as the person who steals it. "Tan culpable es el que mata la vaca como el que le agarra la pata." Therefore, you made a lousy analogy. How can you compare the two. So if you believe that my parents are inmoral for hiring Haitians, then let them answer to God on judgment day. I would prefer they find Dominican workers, instead of the Haitians, but like I said before, it is a question of economics. They are cheap and pleantiful. Besides, they can't find Dominicans that want the job.

Having children is most.

Si mujeres Haitianas le gustan parir aqui, son bienvenidas.

Milos Korac

guillermone, do you know why they are cheap and plentiful, as you characterise them? because people like your folks are aware that they are illegal immigrants, and have no legal protection. get the picture? kinda like the mexicans, people from central america, and other illegal immigrants in the USA, who work for peanuts because people hire them. whatever they earn here exceeds what they earn at home, so they come here in droves, and create a pool of excess labor, further driving down the wage. Dominicans, by and large, will not work for the peanuts that Haitians will accept, because the opportunity cost of leisure comes into play; rather than working for 100 pesos a day, they would rather stay in bed, or playing dominoes. they will not starve;they are home, and they have friends, family, and girlfriends. and , you seem to be confused; you say it is better to hire them than have them "pillage, rape, robe and kill you" then you say that hiring them is not "an effective method

(continued) Additionally, Dreadlocks, I also did not say that an unemployed Dominican is not capable of commiting a crime against another Dominican. They are just as capable of it as anyone else. However, it is less likely and have less of an incentive, just because they live in the thier country of birth and have a well established support system of family, friends, acquaintances, neighbors that may assist during very difficult times. What I am saying however, is that we don't need more unemployed people wandering the streeets of the DR. I believe it is a dangerous mixture to be hungry, unemployed, desperate and undocumented as a perfect combination for a time bomb. There will be serious social consequences if the authorities continue to allow the uncontrolled influx of illegal Haitians. We have already begun to see violence erupt between Dominicans and Haitians. This is just the begining. My predictions is that it will erupt into something worse or like what happened in 1822.

for crime prevention" which is it? are you confused? did you lose the thread of your idea? besides, i never used any judgemental terminology such as "immoral". why does that word spring to mind? is it a product of conscience? after all, you are the one who says that your family hires them because "they are cheaper", and it is a "matter of economics". i am sorry if you feel offended, but i am just a little sick of Dominicans railing against the Haitian invasion, only for you , as a Dominican, to admit having three Haitians in the family employ. maybe you should be a little more circumspect about your disclosures in the forum!

Dreadlocks,
next time you see all those guys cutting cane, and toiling in the sun on construction sites, do assume that they are there because Dominicans feel sorry for them in most cases, and Haitian ask for those jobs because they are starving and they need to work. Are they force to take jobs cutting cane, and toiling in the sun on construction sites?! Who are forcing them to work? You as a Haitian should be thankful for the ones that have those jobs and can put a platain in their plates, you are so mad at Dominicans, you should direct your anger to the Haitans that apparently are embarrasing you. I hope that you are working towards something productive for the Haitians as enthusiatiaclly as your words. If you have a better solution to stop this crazy bring it on, I'll be the first one to help.

first of all, poponlaburra, i am not haitian. i have no idea why it is that if you defend the haitian position, then you are, de facto, haitian. nobody is mad at Dominicans. if you want to discuss this rationally, with logic and persuasive commentary, we can proceed apace. if you are going to make comments that are beneath silly, like saying that Dominicans hire Haitians out of pity, then we should not be discussing this issue. i have heard many stupid contentions; this is beyond ridiculous!Haitians are hired for one reason, and one reason only; wages. nothing more, nothing less. just like mexicans and central american illegal nationals in the USA! I guess you will next be opining the American agricultural concerns hires mexicans because they are "sorry for them". Holy Jeezus! what next?

(continued) Anyway, Dreadlocks, please don't blame my parents. They are not responsible for the Haitian problem in the DR. You need to blame the authorities for their ineptitude and lack of foresight. I also want to clarify again that a DETERANT to crime IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PREVENTION OF CRIME. Just ask anyone who understands criminology to help you gain further insight. Also, you keep making comparisons that don't quite make the cut. Illegal Mexicans and Central Americans are not 18%-20% of the population of the USA, like the Haitians in the DR, They don't compete with or displace the poor American citizens because the poor in the US don't need to work in the fields, they have welfare, food stamps and medicaid. When the Mex and Cent Ame have enough money saved most eventually go back to their native countries to stay. Haitians don't they remain in the DR to breed.

Dreadlocks you said: "nice rationalization , Guillermone. next time i see a guy selling stolen property, i will buy it from him. that way, he will have some money is his pocket, and will not have to rob me instead"

I believe you made a bad comparison or analogy, it is not wrong to give a Haitian a job, is not a sin. You are comparing it to buying stolen merchandise. I believe it is you who does not understand what I am saying. Though giving an undocumented Haitian a job may be illegal, it is not however, immoral, but buying stolen merchandise is.

Dreadlocks, you seem to play the devils advocate. On one hand you condemn people who may seem to favor Haitians but at the same time your arguments tend to be ambiguous in defense of Haitians. I just wonder if you are a Cripto-Haitian. Are you? What exactly is your position, I just wonder with a username as Dreadlocks who exactly do you represent. Are you a rastaman?

also dreadlocks, please leave poponlaburra alone. If her arguments seem silly to you it is probably because she has a good heart and most likely does not see the severity or the future consequences of the Haitian problem. You can tell she is trying hard and doing her best to communicate ideas as effectively as she could, but I suspect from the syntax of the language that English may not be her first tongue.

guillermone, there is nothing ambiguous about seeing the merits of both sides of an argument. i can give you my simple algorithm in arriving at my assessment of the haitian issue. i am completely against illegal immigration. i have written several posts pointing up the need to rectify this issue, or the Dominican Republic is going to see continued losses in wages and employment, and concomitant increases in hardship and crime among Dominicans. that position is supported by any well thinking human being, let alone Dominicans , who will be the main victims of that eventuality. following on that determination, i upbraid people such as your family, which aggravates the issue by hiring Haitians, FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER. you assert that they hire them because they are cheap; that is egregious, in that it contributes to, and aggravates the problem. if people keep hiring them because they will work for less than Dominicans, there will be no motivation among employers to offer Dominicans

a living wage. all these foreigners who seek to build houses and hotels will always seek out haitians for their labor force, minimising their initial investment. you cannot have it both ways. as to poponlaburra, i am sure she can defend herself. this is an exchange of ideas, not a physical fight. nobody is abusing her. if she seeks to post in any internet forum, she should realise the perils inherent in such a venture; there will be others who disagree with her position.

Dreadlocks, great argument !!! Your ideas are well thought out and you put up a good fight. You almost have me convinced. Anyway, I will respond or make further comments later on when I have more time. Thanks!! However, I would like to make a couple of points, first don't look at things so much in terms of right or wrong/black & white (no pun intended) it is in the gray areas which I believe you and I don't seem to concur. Secondly, when I say that hiring an illegal is a question of "economics" I don't necesarily mean it is economical, in terms of cheap labor. I was refering to the "laws of economics in action within the dynamics and framework of a capitalist society." One of the the reasons, among others, the US does not have depressed wages eventhough millions of illegals live and work here is because America is a social democracy, whereas the DR is more "laissez faire" in terms of the promotion of private enterprise. And, I don't say that to support or justify illegal immigration.

guillermone, it is a pleasure conversing with you. you are obviously a cultured and civilised person, not one of the thin-skinned people looking for a fight. think about what i said; none of it is personal, i assure you.

dreadlocks shame on you, picking on chicks, put it on ice let the chick lay her eggs, and just sniff but don't open the mouth,,,,,,,,,,,,shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

more people massaging each others balls doesn't anyone fight anymore

why are you bored!!! need a good fight, well take out your boxing gloves and you better be good cuz this chick is ...........................gone, my nails will slice you up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,good luck.

GC-don't be so vulgar. It might be OK among your pirate friends at the Old Brugal Factory in St. Croix. I can see you now singing: "Fifteen men on a dead man’s chest—
Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum! Drink and the devil had done for the rest—
Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum! Or is it that maybe that you just want to provoke a good fight in the forum?

no guillermone only kidding

ok, gc

Holy Jeezus! Dreadlocks! I hate to right this much, but I have to.
I never knew pity was sinful and to your eyes degrading.
I think you have a lot to live and to experience Dreadlocks! What world are you living in?
At one point I thought you were Haitian, and that I thought could justify your badmouthing Dominicans (if you go back to previous, previous posts) and defending your people.
Now I know your motives and comments has nothing to do with altruism for the the Haitians, but just a niche on the wall where you could exhibit how well verse you are (other in this site fall under this category) intellectual arrogance at grand. How egocentric. Guillermone wonders if you are a Cripto-Haitian, I think you have a Jesus Christ complex.

There are things that are beneath silly, and my silly comments are what I had experienced in life.
Back in DR, in El Cibao, my cousin's husband had a mechanic shop and a small construction company. He used to get solicited by lots and lots of Haitians, Dominicans as well. He employed few as work was available. At times when work was scarce, he laid them off. The Haitians were dropping by every single day to see if work was available. It was not enough for them to call him, each one wanted to be the first to get to the shop in case there was a need for a man. One in particular was my cousin's favorite.
This Haitian guy asked my cousin's husband to please help him out in any ways because his wife was pregnant and they did not had money to pay rent. There was a small house in the shop with a guard dog. My cousin's husband made a deal with the Haitians to let them stay at the house, in return the Haitians will look over the shop after closing.

Once my cousin came to USA every time she sent a package to DR she always include clothes for the Haitian baby and the mother. I never asked why. Do you think they did that out hate! Does this sound like the many stupid contentions you head? Is this is beyond ridiculous!

Guillermone, actually English is my third language. I do not come to this site to show off how well I write, that I’ll save when I publish my books. I come to voice my opinion like everyone else, as concrete and concise as possible I have no time for empty words. I have a life.

poponlaburra, that is a pretty emotional and accusatory rant, but i can deal with it. if you believe that pity is a component of employment, then you are the one who is not living in the real world. nobody hires people because they are "sorry for them". i do not see classified ads asking for sympathetic figures; i see them giving a list of qualifications needed to fill the post. kinda like; Wanted; manager for bakery in Santiago. must have bachelors degree in management, and 3 years experience in retail. i never see; Wanted; managed for bakery. Must be an orphan, and homeless. people who lost 5 family members in the last month will be given preference. secondly, if you read my posts, i am critical of issues in the DR which deserve criticism, and no more so than others. if you are content to live with the electricity delivery, the lack of worthwhile public schooling, and the bad decisions such as the metro, then be my guest. if the fact that you have to pay off somebody

every time you pass through the airport is pleasing to you, i apologise for making mention of it. i see where you are posting from the USA; well, America takes more criticism than any other country, from just about everybody else. this internet posting business is not for the faint of heart. if you are going to get all bent out of shape every time someone disagrees with you, you might want to reconsider sticking around. people like myself, Josean and Gouletcolonial take more lashings here than anyone else; you do not see us weeping and gnashing our teeth. we soldier on, defending our ideas, knowing that there will be others who disagree with us.lastly, you seem to suppose that people who criticise the DR have got to be" cripto-haitians". i have news for you; the country receives more criticism from gringos than haitians could ever conceive!

See what I get Dreadlocks, I tried to side with poponlaburra, and she tells me I have a Jesus Christ Complex. And yes, I can tell and I agree English is your third language, Poponlaburra. By the way let me know when you gonna write your book. In what language are you going to write the book is it English, Spanglish or Creol?

dreadlock, how ironic.
It seems to me that you are the one bending out of shape and the one weeping gibberish. I do not now where you get that impression from. My perception of you is that of a "El loco del Barrio" (going back to my childhood memories), that believes is giving eloquent sermons from one of the plaza corners, everyone in the town knows him, and no one pays attention to, because his fanatical thinking does not adhere to a common or needed cause".

I have news for you to, if you were a Dominican (I do not think so) and you heard this criticism coming from gringos you should have ask them "what do you want to do about that?" the only gringos I know criticized the conditions of Haitians are taking actions, and those are Canadian nuns running many children schools in bateys. That would be nice if done in many campos for Dominican kids too. As always I am giving you actual straight facts from reality. And as for the black gringos????
If you are so pro Haitian, how come you have never directed readers to link to support your cause, Altruism or self levitation??.

poponlaburra, you seem inclined to inexplicable rants, which have no basis in the existing conditions. might you enumerate one instance of "fanatical thinking" on my part? one sentence, if you can. you see, poponlaburra, i might not always be on the correct side of an issue ,in your opinion, but i never make gratuitously stupid remarks. whatever i post is intellectually defensible, which is why i do not involve myself in posting on emotional issues. and wherever did you divine it from that i have a "cause"? this is a forum, poponlaburra; people post opinions, and ideas. not everyone is a crusader. with a response such as you have given, you appear to be the loca; relax, take a deep breath, and measure your responses, rather than coming off as a drunk looking for a fight.

guillermone, if you think you have it bad with poponlaburra, look at what is happening to me. i merely state that people do not hire other people based on pity and sympathy, and she is all angry like a scalded cat!!

guillermone,
Jealous? “La envidia no mata, pero mortifica". In what language am I going to write the book? you could ask my agent, baby!! I am laughing so loud!! I can see you turning green with envy, e guilli? Ha, ha, ha!!

Since I will not reply to yours childish comments or anybody else's comments, everything that needed to be said is already said.
Knock yourself down replying back to me, I'm not answering back! The Jesus Christ Complex was directed to Dreadlocks, but reconsidering you, you fall under his same category, actually worst.

thanks for putting us on notice regarding your decision to withdraw from the conversation. i can assure you that such a decision will not occasion any consternation in this forum. we already are inundated by angry posters, those who are given to unnecesary ad hominems. your efforts might be better served beating up some stranger in the park. that will get some of the testosterone out of your system.

Poponlaburra, I LOVE IT WHEN YOU TALK DIRTY !!! Oh come on POPO baby, RELAX, we are only having a little fun, we just like to poke fun at each other. Don't take life so serious. This forum is an intellectual excercise to relieve some stress as well as an opportunity for everyone to expose their diverse ideas and concepts. It is kind of like brain storming and hopefully at the very end something positive will come out of all of this. Remember we are all here because we care and love DR and want to see a solution to the many problems. The fact that your are upset is actually a good thing. No body knows who you are or cares so don't take it so personal. Just enjoy the moment and look at it as a challenge. I know you got it in you and you can fight back real good That is exactly what we want. Imagine how boring it would be if everyone agreed with each other without any differences. So get out your boxing gloves and start punching. But please don't do it in the park you might get arrested

poponcita pay no attention to these dirty filthy misogynist pigs !

whatsa matter, GC? got a flat bottle of your favorite rotgut wine?

poponcita pay no attention to these dirty filthy misogynist pigs !....I am the only one who loves you

dread you must always remember to never allow your lips to touch the brown paper bag when drinking wine

beware of Gouletcolonials bearing endearments.

I am Just a Cocolo
everywhere I go
people know the part
I'm playing

Paid for every dance
selling each romance
every night some heart
betraying

you old smoothie, you! don't get too carried away; i did say OLD.

What's up GC? Still missing your old buddy, the apparatchik commie stooge Belial? I know that your sadomasochist tendencies makes you be attracted to whatever repulses you at the moment (yes, even Fidelito), but sometimes you carry the term to a whole new level. LOL

Lautaro I never have celebrated the censorship of belial who for me added a humorous dimension to the extreme left.....if he started posting again I would not be unhappy....I think he may have been exposed as a paid agent of a foreign government...I do miss his outrageous hyperbole

You guys are so funny, you should hear me laughing!!

We live to put a smile on your face poponcita

GC wass up, you messing around on me already

gatita, he is messing around on you, and he even admits it. "every night some heart betraying". his words, not mine. hoisted by his own petard, they say.

jajajaja hhhhhhhmmmmm, guess I need to stick my neck out a little more and be more tall like, gonna have to start strutin my stuff some more, aaayyy

after all its about the tail, need to stick it out some more, its what talks

PPPPUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I love it when you talk dirty..... please hit me beat me make me write bad checks

you need neither motivation nor impetus to write bad checks. personally, i do not think you are man enough to handle the entreaties of the pussycat!! but, give it the old school try. what a way to die!!

dread you must be made aware that the old sleazer genoroso is sweet talking the pusscat on the treasure hunter thread talking of all kinds of sickness with the poor little gattita...I beseech you to go and warn her of the horrible fate that awaits her and why the decent women in the DR treat genoroso as if he had been dipped in Lepers spit....It is not to late hurry

pppuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

""sitin and waiting"'

gatitapequena, When you look into the mirror holding up a dozen roses, you see the 13 most beautiful things in the world.

yumnuk3:
beat it with your slimy comments, she's mine!

aaaaaaaaa yumnuk3 thats so sweet, if you were to really see me next to those roses. you would wish you were the pedal, mmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm!!!!!!!


generoso has never said anything that...........sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PPPUUURRRRRRRRRR!!!!

gatitapequena,You can fall off a building, you can fall out a tree, but baby, the best way to fall is with me.

all countires of color have some racisim in them. it is a disease we hope we get ride of with every passing generation. I think In terms of HAiti and DR there is a slight difference thought. hating became somehow part of the dominican culture throught the horrors of Rafael Trujillo's and his teachings (though his grandparents were haitian). to be honest, when I was young I knew nothing about this animosity b/w haiti and dr, I was raised in the states. I know many haitians have political talk, this is commonplace in the carribean. I Never heard anyone in my family speak in discust of Dominicans. what I can say is that the island is too small and when one side is a mess the whole island in perile. It is in haitian and dr interest for both sides of the island to thirve

I pray for both sides of the island. I also find that many dominicans have no knowledge of history outside their" world" many dominicans I meet know nothing of haiti of it's people, of it's language this is odd to me since so many dominicans Have haitian ancesrty and we are on the smae island. This gives me the impssion that the educational system in DR is not that great and is doing a diservise to it children. IN terms of global economy diversification is important. An I think many of the caribbiean islands would stand to benifit if they traded within close proximity and ate most of its local products. This will decrease the purchare of fuel which will only increase over time. Though some dominican claim dislike of Haitians I do think that many realize our importance in the region. OUr diapsora alone is a great economic force and outside of the country, haitian hold professions not jobs more so than our dominican counterparts

cvzdez-Ok...So what is your point exactly? I am not sure if I understood what you were trying to say. But one thing, you definately need to do a little more reading so you can better understand the DR/Haitian relations. It is much more complex then what you think and believe. The conflict is not a racial-hate issue, though it has racial undertones, and it did not start with Trujillo, but rather spans out from a few hundreds years in history. And yes the average Dominican on the street is not well informed and probably knows very litte about Haiti. But you know what? This is exactly the same case had you ask any general knowledge question to anyone, on any street corner in the US or probably any country in the world. The average Joe is much more concerned with satisfying his basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter. The best educated and well informed are made up of a small segment of the population and in most cases are a select group of "elites."

(cont.) cvzdez. From your statement, I don't know where you live, but It seems as though you have been hanging around with a lot of Dominican factory workers. And it appears as if it is really YOU who does not know or lacks knowledge of both Haitians and Dominicans. Nevertheless, it does not take away, from the fact that the Haitian diaspora has many very well distinguished individuals and the US Haitian community has it merits. But to state that Haitians hold more professional jobs than their DR counterparts is ludicrous. I don't know where you get your facts, but NY alone has an enourmous amount of professional Dominicans. We have thousands Doctors in high profile medical positions, a big bunch of investment bankers on Wall Street, we have tons of politicians in US gov't such as senators, assemblymen, city councils, a mayor in NJ, owners of successful supermarket chains, fashion designers, athletes and sports figures, world class performers, a Miss Universe, a Miss World (cont)

We just had a Dominican that won a Pulitzer prize in literature, currently a professor at the prestigious MIT in Cambrige,MA. So you really don't know what you are talking about, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Listen Mr cvzdez, I could go on-and-on about Dominican accomplishments in the US, but for you to make comparisons like the one you made is totally preposterous. What you and your professional Haitian friends (if you have any) need to do, is to take your time and energy, GET OFF YOUR ASS, and concentrate in your country and your people and stop comparing yourself with Dominicans. Because in spite of the many similarities that we may have, the differences in the people and countries are like NIGHT and DAY. And by the way, one final point, if you did not know it, Haiti is already the #1 trade partner with DR

cvcdez do you not see my back all humped and my hairs standing up

and my teeth baring, ""YOUr being hissed at"" waffle brain

Haiti is not Dominican Republic's number one trading partner are you nuts!!!!! The U.S. is Dominican Republic's number one trading partner. Haiti gets most of their food from Dominican Republic because they cant produce enough to survive by themselves, their agriculture sector its pretty much bankrupt because of deforestation and lack of infrastructure. Haiti gets more things for free then anything else, the country is practically runned by international N.G.O.'s. So please dont embaress yourselves.

arkatype: welcome back from the forum! we need you here so please stay put.
Haiti is a very important commercial trading partner and could be more so if the Haitians were able to afford more goods, don't minimize their huge potential as far as "good" trade goes.
In Dominican Foreign affairs where the degree of importance is measured the Dominican embassy in Haiti is given the utmost importance and more funds than anyone else.
Is in our national interest that Haitian economy revives and stands in it's own feet so they could be able to purchase more goods from us.

Im not saying that we should not trade with Haiti. Im just implying that the Dominican economy benefits mostly from the U.S. The United States is the D.R.'s number one trading partner that's a fact. In fact the Dominican Republic is the 7th or maybe 8th most important exporter of products to the U.S. in the western hemisphere. The trade with Haiti is more of a one way street, where domincan products especially food and even the most basic things like soap and even nails are sold. The U.S. is the number one trading partner with every single country in the western hemisphere, even Venezuela's Hugo Chavez can't survive without the U.S. Who's going to purchase most of his oil? PEACE Generoso.

arkatype that is stupid obviously not good with economics. Why have one trading partner who provided more they 50% of you export income (US) that is suicide you have to diversify one trading with haiti make sense because to trade with them is less oil ussage. Two, if you only trade with US they will have a strong power over you as a soveriegn county, Third Their economy goes bust yours goes bust because you don't have money comming in from many different places. And finally HAiti is next door you makes not sense not to trade with them. Look at the US they trade with mexico and canada , there is a reason. That reason is because a failing neighboring state always boades bad for the next state which is why DR has So many refugees. It is also in DR's Interest for haiti to succeed as a state/Nation.

"obviously not good with economics" ? that is the understatement of the ages.

Believe it or not guys Haiti about a generation ago was self-sufficient and exported rice, sugar and other food staples. Unfortunately, due to the incompetence of Jean B. Aristide, he signed a stupid loan with the Inter'l Monetary Fund that forced Haiti to reduce tariffs in exchange for US back security and international loans. Soon after Haiti was flooded with imported heavily subsidized poultry and agriproducts at very low cost. This forced native Haitian producers out of business-they did not have the "economy of scale" to lower prices. Once local producers were gone, prices began to increase after foreign rice and poultry sellers gained a near-monopoly in the Haitian market place. Today Haiti imports almost all of it meats. Once it reaches the country it has gone through many middle men, to merchants and finally to consumers and the reason the price of meat is very expensive. The 1994 IMF loan reduced tariffs is the reason Haiti buys meat from importers at prices few can afford.

Sorry guys, I started all of this, so please let me clarify. I really meant that the DR is Hait's #1 trade partner not the other way around. Sorry for the misstatement. So for obvious reasons as some of you already mentioned, Haiti does more direct trade with the DR then any other single country in and of itself. Whereas, the US and European Union might provide greater dollar amounts it is done however, as economic aide. They are more like donor countries which provide millions in assistance and not necessarily from commercial trade or related activities.

Has anybody noticed on how cvzdez calls his compatriots "REFUGEES." ?????
".......why DR has So many refugees."
Really cvdez is that what you really think they are, refugees? huhh.....Now tell me something, before I say one word, what do you understand or think is the meaning of the word REFUGEE?

PS I amd From the NJ and I am a female and We do invest in haiti as a diaspora we send millions of dollars to haiti a year. Unfortunatelty currption in haiti is rampit. I truely believe haiti would be batter off as a dictatorship. Haiti need to go through a seclutionary erra. This is the only way for it to get better. Their is a sickness in my country and they need to self quaranteen themselfs. Like a cuba , or a china. Go back to its prin

According to the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, a refugee is a person who
Owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail him/herself of the protection of that country.

The concept of a refugee was expanded by the Conventions’ 1967 Protocol and by regional conventions in Africa and Latin America to include persons who had fled war or other violence in their home country. A person who is seeking to be recognized as a refugee is an asylum seeker. Refugee was defined as a legal group in response to the large numbers of people fleeing Eastern Europe following World War II. The lead international agency coordinating refugee protection is the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR)

Ms cvzdez-GREAT job you did with copy and paste!!!!! I am impress with your computer skills.

I was actually looking for your personal explanation, interpretation and understanding or your concept of what a Refugee is suppose to be, not a verbatim version from the internet. I could do that myself.

Now you tell me something Ms cvzdez of the 2,000,000 Haitians in the Dominican Republic about how many of them do you suppose actually qualify to be REFUGEEs??? More or less, how much or how many?

One thing I do agree with you and you might be right and I unfortunately, hate to say it, but Haiti was better off when Papa Doc was in power.