Miami.– Chip Hoffman had never seen such staggering poverty in his life: Poor
Dominican kids wandering the garbage heaps, barefoot, digging for metal scraps
to sell. Their hands wrinkled and scarred from who knows what chemicals in the
trash.
"Seeing this, you begin to realize how privileged you are," the North Fort
Myers photographer says. "You stand there in absolute shock.
"Tears start running down your face." Once the tears dried, Hoffman set to work photographing those 8- and
10-year-old kids called Divers. As in diving in the trash heaps.
The result - along with other photos he shot in Santiago, Dominican Republic
- will be shown for the next two weeks at Arts for Act Gallery. The show
benefits FGCU Spanish/German professor Ingrid Martinez-Rico, who was injured in
a February car crash.
Martinez-Rico and her husband, Craig Heller, started the yearly trips to the
Dominican Republic as a way for Spanish students to immerse themselves in the
language - and also to gain an appreciation for how many people live.
"Most of those students have never been out of the United States, let alone
gone to the Third World," Heller says.
Heller and Martinez-Rico have organized the spring break trips for eight
years. They work with Accion Callejera, a Dominican nonprofit group that helps
children living and working in the streets.
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From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Here is the real issue that reflects the depths of poverty in "La Patria de Anacaona".
All the Resorts, Hotels, Concerts, and the rest of the Hooplah is the icing on the cake. Yet, the masses of the people are in utter poverty. It's more romantic, fashionable to photograph the pretty buildings. This is the real deal. Where the rubber meets the road. Back in 1974, my deceased Mother brought home a beggar boy, full of sores and hungry. His family (living in Gualey) kicked him out of the house, and told him go and beg for food. Mom met him in "Guibia" en el Malecon. Mom finally took him back home after feeding him for a week; and continued to visit him for a while. These pictures are reflective of the reason why D.R. can't deal with Ill-eagles from Haiti; Since it's already full of dirt poor people. You can't help others when you can't feed your own family! God bless those children. Save the children. Please stop selling fantasies. Let's keep it real; Not phony bologna.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Child suffering of any kind is a subject I cannot bear...If I were a better human being I would devote my life to working in some project to change any part of it 24 hours a day.... I am wretched because I cannot summon the courage to do it....I can only assuage my guilt by doing small things when I can...I am a coward because often I choose to look away....I must strive to do better...we all must devote more time to helping the children who are the future....and are not responsible for the mess we gave them
From: United States
for God´s sake, Goulet, do not be so hard on yourself. the mere fact that you recognise the fact that this is a miserable state of affairs proves that although you are unbearable at times ( and so am i), you have a decent streak within you. as the proverb states ¨they also serve, who only stand and wait¨. i am sure that you do the best you can, unlike some other posters in this forum who would like us to believe that these kids could all be Bill Gates , if only they would stop being so lazy and apply themselves! at least you are not unrealistic and callous( at least not on this subject), and i admire you for it. apart from that, you are astringent in the extreme!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Thanks Dread for your kind words and same to you .......even the last part
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
No, many people on here make it seems that as though Haiti is the only Country with poverty and with areas that are not pleasant to see on Television. When almost most of the Latin-American poor Countries have those images they are not proud of to see on the screen.
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
Indeed you see less of them being expose because due to less political instabilities most of these other Countries have not been the main focus of negative stigmatism.
Yet, we see more people demonizing one another, ridiculing much of every stances aim for peace and rely mostly on hatred, old deep rooted resentments and inherited false differences to go at each other's throats without realizing no matter your hues, condition and any sense of supremacy one may hold dear to their hearts to feel important about themselves that no matter what, no matter what at all, we are all indigenous to the very same World thus is what we all have in common equally.
We can amass all the amount of wealth and economical grace of success all we can all, but it will mean nothing as long as we do not have humanity and be humane to one another, to the Earth.
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
There need not to be wars for us to start asking for peace, there need not to be chaos for us to start asking for order as to the very same there need not to be tension to know there are fundamental problems with us as people.
Keep in mind, no matter the amount of land and territories we claim with all the much boundaries and jurisdictions we try to set ourselves apart as to being our own Countries, Nations and Empires because when all our malice is done speaking for how so negative we have treated each other and die, those territorial lands and jurisdiction will always be and belong to the one and only Earth.
It always has and always will be as we are the ones dying and the Earth itself will go on until it is its time for it to be no more... but until such time, the Earth has all the time in the World, but do we?
From: United States
AfroLatino, i have posted a billion times that technology changes, but human nature does not. mankind is the same miserable species it was before Christ, with no forecast for early improvement. as you correctly state, this phenomenon of misery is worse in some other countries. the sad part of this issue is that there are folks on this very forum who represent the brigades that say that human suffering is the fault of the sufferer. if ony they would get up off their lazy asses and get busy, they too could own the empire. i love these guys whose parents emigrated to the USA, allowing them access to opportunities other people in other parts of the world do not get. they get a decent job, 23 credit cards, and lease the Audi a8. they then regale us with the opinion that there are no economically downtrodden people in the world, just lazy asses waiting for a handout! it is easy for them to issue all this bluster from New York, lets see how much they would have achieved if they were
From: United States
forced to live in some hinterland of Burkina Fasso. so, i laugh at these woeful creatures, who have no empathy, being so wrapped up in their own sense of importance. Dominicans who live in NY do not miss an opportunity to flagellate their fellow Dominicans for their habits, as if migration to the States has changed them genetically to a more disciplined and industrious species. no, fools; you have opportunity and hope..there is not too much of that going around in some outback in Chad!!!
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
So, how about we start looking into this common deficiency which we all have that is to simply start realizing this that it is we have in common as people instead of blaming each others as nations or Countries, races and colors, conditions and exclusion. Why must we punish each other for the deeds of past Ancestors who did not keep in mind that we later generations would still have to live with each other and one another here on that very same World they each seek to establish apart for what started it all which was people's greed and own ambitions to conquer and control.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Afrolatino those are wise words and I understand it is difficult for some to accept because they and their people have had more than their share of bad situation but it is important to look ahead with a positive outlook and not always be reflecting on the your bad fate and be always looking for some retribution
From: Dominican Republic
Every child is not born with an equal footing in the world. They do not choose the life ahead in the early years. The local environment dictates thier outcome. I am exposed daily to bario life and through the support of total strangers from abroad...and seldom if ever from someone from the Dominican community who's opportunities allow them a lavish life....as i was saying...through donations from total strangers abroad, I have been fortunate enough to assist some of the kids who's life will never be given a chance by thier peers. Education and encouragement is the key to future success and that is what I and a few other "gringos" in the area are trying to provide.
Unfortunately, most will end up washing Prados and laying bricks for those who can't see beyond thier own wealth.
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
Okay and indeed,
So why the constant bashing of each other as how and what is the reason for its justification if we all know that much? What I may have say may very well will remain just words if we as this future generation do not act as we can clearly see, many of the now generation ruling and controling everything do not share any common care for us future generation, but it does not matter how much more or less they do for they will pass, what really matters is how much we will do for ourselves so that we will not let our future generations that is to come after us endure the same unaccountability
From: United States
Goulet, you and i have banged and butted heads on this subject, but i guess by now that you realise that my key doctrine is that of OPPORTUNITY. i condone and tolerate listlessness less than anyone you know, and have unparalleled contempt for those who squander chances, believing that somebody owes them something in life. i did not spend six years in university to allow some bum to declare to me that i owe him something. on the other hand, some poor child mired in the results of the caste system in India, for example, is not going to end up at Princeton any time soon. so i become severely bristled when some callous neanderthal who got a chance to avail himself of public education, free of charge, in a school with furniture and equipment, delivers some half witted homily about applying one´s self to a guy who does not even have a birth certificate.!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Mike it is true what you say ...but in a more economically advanced society those bricklayers and carwashers would be doing an entry level job until through diligence or luck or intelligence or favoritism they would advance their positions .....A good economy floats all boats not socialism
From: United States
PuntaCanaMike, i am delighted that you weighed in with such a well thought out post. as i said, those who deal in light accomplish more than those who deal in heat. the key phrase you used is ëqual footing¨ what some of the gloaters who got somewhere have to realise is that we all have limitations, and some have more than others. if this was not the case, every kid who swung a broomstick at a ball would end up being Big Papi or Alex Rodriguez!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this is true all we can do is make or try to make the field level.....the world is not a fair place....an untouchable in India does not equate to 7 generations of New Deal and Great Society welfare recipient and do not equate that to race ....These were legislative errors with very good intentions....Just like the giant" Projects " housing in Chicago New York ,St Louis etc. we now know we should have done it different....WE must not stop trying to make thing better for all
From: United States
Goulet, i like it when you use the term¨economically advanced societies¨. do you think that this term can be applied to the countries of Scandinavia?
From: United States
i never thought i would live to see the day when Goulet and myself were almost on the same side of an issue. then again, i always knew that despite your crusade to be unsettling, you can be rational. unlike puzzles like anthonyc, at least you realise that the playing field is not level, and some people just will never make it. neither will anthonyc be the next Pavarotti! but i guess he thinks that if he wants it enough, and simply applies himself, we will be seeing him at some opera house in the near future!!
From: United States
I hope that this will help focus more attention on the root causes of material poverty in the Dominican Republic and elsewhere .. but there exists a different species of "poverty" in those so called "developed nations" .. who's children may not be going to bed hungry every night .. but who are suffering from a different brand of deprevation .. that brought on by boredom, alienation, a lack of respect for their elders, a lack of meaning in their lives and an obscession with the cult of material worship .. the type of poverty that can lead to the mass murders witnessed at Columbine High School in Colorado .. these kinds of poverty statistics are not considered in estimating the per capita GDP .. but one cannot "live by bread alone" .. right?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
You are more than right ...the poverty of the soul is as ugly as the other ....Materialism is a poverty that kills the soul as well ....in fact those children that have less but have a sufficiency and know something about sacrifice and respect of elders are far far better off than the horrible examples that grow into Brittanys and Gold toothed tatooed thugs and self indulgent mall punks....this is no life either
From: Afghanistan, BAF
I think that one found a cookie...Lucky little SOB
Written by: mrios, 19 Jul 2008 2:37 PM
From: United States
ALL VERY WELL SAID. Now, how do I start without sounding, insulting. Professor Ingrid..What are you trying to prove ? that there are Children starving in the DR, I can feel the warm fuzzies coming...Then going....The reality is people in the States will see the pictures and who knows, funds will be generated, items will be bought...And would'nt you know it, more then half donated in the first place never gets there, kind of reminds me while I was growing up in South/Central Los Angeles and the rich folks from the Beverly Hills Foundations would come by and make promises, behold ! we then would receive items marked and stamped "DONATED BY BLAH..BLAH" it's called free "ADVERTISING". I had the pleasure to meet a REAL MAN who lives in Chicago and out of his own pocket runs a Orphanage in the DR without all the HOOPLA..."DO AS I DO, NOT AS I SAY" .....We all have a moral obligation towards our fellow man, day after day I'm reminded this World is lacking REAL MEN.
Written by: anthonyC, 19 Jul 2008 3:10 PM
From: United States
There is big business in Starving Children. Socialist programs bring in huge gobs of $$$$
Try to adopt a Dominican Child! I tried. It is next to impossible. They don't want to have a program that will help the kids because it will cut a source of revenue.
Written by: mrios, 19 Jul 2008 4:15 PM
From: United States
Anthony
How sad indeed, years back I knew a School Teacher where I work who belonged to one of those Church ran "Help the Children, Fund Crap" he had been mailed photos and a complete back ground on the Child, so when I informed him I was going on vacation to the DR and if he would just give me his address I would visit him and would personally hand him gifts and money...To make a long story short, the Church creeps refused to give any/all info. regarding that child and also refused to call or email me back, which sounded like a total "RIP-OFF" to me and all in the name of GOD, I'll call anybody that would mislead, lie, steal, cheat and swindle in the name of GOD what we called them in L.A... "STREET PIMPS" which means "Anybody who benefits from other peoples misery in the name of GOD, HELP and HOPE. I'm always reminded by these words..."Money is the root of all evil" and "It's not money, But the love of money"
From: United States
One need look no farther than Russia where roving bands of teenage hooligans roam the streets in search of their hapless victims .. they are looking for "blacks" to kill .. the "blacks" are the darker skinned minority groups from the fringes of the former Soviet Republics .. when found they are are set upon by the baton and knife wielding teenage gangs .. the beatings are savage and shocking even to the Russian police who are accustomed to dealing with Mafia crimes on a regular basis .. many victims have died and many more are greviously injured by these racist attacks.. the same thing is happening in Germany .. France .. UK .. Sweden .. it's a tide of racism and xenophobia that is sweeping Europe .. the new and punitive EU immigration policy is making matters worse for all people of color in Europe .. this is the worst kind of "poverty" there is .. Where is the humiliating photo exhibit for this kind of "child poverty"? We don't have that kind of "poverty" in the Dominican Republic.
From: United States
The true about such photos is not about a government or a society lack of order or concerned about its children. The responsibillities rests on the parents of these children and their ignorance. It does not matter how poor you are to care of your children and I say this cause I had been in such situations while raising my children and I didn't send them out to begged. Many such called poor parents do terrible things to their childern and them used the excuses that its cause they are poor. Mothers that rather lay in any bed with any men for whatever hand-out and fathers whose some attituted are that their father never care for them so why should he care - his a big men, he can take care of himself, I took care of myself at a much younger age. They don't send their children to school cause their parents didn't. Its a vicious circle and as we moved into the future and informations runs faster now, people seem surprice at something thats been happening for ages.
From: United States
Show the photos of those parents that are living just as poor as the parents of these children and who don't send their children out to begged. If you as a responsible adult tried and make the necessaries sacrifices as many are doing to support themselves and their children -- these kinds of behaviour will not be present in our society. I know of entire families that while all being poor, some look towards themselves and responded " I will not live the kind of lives that my parents lived ". This same child seen his brother or her sister taking a different attituted and becoming a street hustler. Two neighbors both just as poor but with different opinions on life and how to deal with it. So, what this photographer needs to showed along with these photos are the parents and what they are doing in order to have a somewhat near completed picture.
From: United States
you see, hectorvargas, the problem with your argument is that it presupposes a perfect world, one in which everybody is responsible, and has a serious take on life. sadly, that is not how it works. if that was the case, we would not need governments, as the society would self adjust because of the supremely rational nature of mankind. the fact is that some of us are short, some are fat, some have no hair, some can play basketball better than others, some are blind, etc, etc. we do not all have equal abilities. if we did, Sammy Sosa would probably be picking fruits, because you and i would be hitting just as many home runs as he does.the instinct to behaving rationally is an ability. some people will receive 2000 pesos today, put 1500 in the bank, and squeeze the 500 till next payday.others will blow it in one night. no amount of encouragement will change them; its just who they are. similarly, the mothers whom you so roundly excoriate for indolence are not going to join IBM tomorrow
From: United States
just because their behaviour is not acceptable. a few of them will rise above their circumstances, but the majority will continue apace. what then becomes of their offspring? should not government at least consider the plight of these indigents, especially, as Goulet reminds us, they did not have a hand in creating their misery?
From: United States
A men was in a hospital bed complaining of his pain that no one has endure such pain. Next to him was another men unable to speak and to eat he had to be done by a tube and so on when the argument in different parts of the hospital, each claiming their pains to be the worse. The true is that one's pain is greater than the next person but rather what are you going to do about it. Sure we are not all born with the same abilities but we can tried and not sit around waiting for others to do for us. Excuses and excuses but the best is to live with the poor to really learned and see it first hand -- and I have.
From: Dominican Republic
Our country is is country still being healed by astrocities of Trujillo and later Balaguer. The picture is nothing new to me and many of us who have live aound these conditions and know people who grew around these conditions. I was in DR last month, I went to la UASD and APEC. I was really proud of the young people I saw in school and universities. We all understand the poverty that plagues our country and many other suppress country in latin america and africa. Education and citizen activism is the solution to this problem. Let's be real, We can't help everyone, but we can do our part by volunteering educating people about these issues. A small country like ours copies the big machine like the USA. So, mostly all the money for development goes to tourism to please the foriegners. However, there will always be hope bc there are those in DR that keep fighting to better themselves and their country.
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 11:26 AM
From: United States
Just think let the poliitcal power take place nothing is going to change just bank funds while children are dieing in that filth I would not want my child playing in that filth. U.S is never giong to change U.S. deal with trillion doller assects while any in the D.R. deals with one billion pesos please Breath domincan republic
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 11:28 AM
From: United States
U.S. deals with Trillons...................no more comment,
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 11:35 AM
From: United States
D.R. needs money to clean up and build homes for the poor give them a free education.
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 11:36 AM
From: United States
God will bless than.
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 11:41 AM
From: United States
Pease.
Written by: mrios, 27 Jul 2008 1:52 PM
From: United States
Goodd
Give...Give...Give..... And you'll see nothing will change, you will then create a give me, give me society with no incentive to help it's self, but if you give them enough building blocks for positive change, then you are helping them help them selfs, and to become self sufficient....in other words I can give you one Million dollars stand back and WOW ! watch you loose your mind and self destruct, But if i went as far as helping you earn and make one Million dollars it would only serve to be an inspiration so others may follow. Identify the need, never give cash, you buy the products needed and always do a follow-up. It would be nice if and when the next Country donates building products not money, but still someone has to do a checks and balances with a complete follow-up. I only hope it's you, you sound like someone who really cares. "You are only rich, if there are poor" GOD BLESS YOU.
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 7:09 PM
From: United States
I care but know that . Money is power let These French Man find there pease with god if that is the way that they want to show God that is in heaven. than more pease beyond to Dominican republic. and the man that dose good not bad.
Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 7:41 PM
From: United States
It's is like the heaven is throwing funds to help and not one soldier from D.r. help clean that mess. If I was to go in a island that since the time of the man who discoverd America and the island I Studied what he wrote he said there was gold and ect but the sad part was that the people that lived there . Before any person from Europe Africa or Asia those people was tormented . I hope that Some one in the Dominican Republic is sane enough to clean those areas . The bible that is part of the flag . God is a Clean man . That is why if you have faith in him he won't come down the son of man is a clean man. This world will self destruct. God bless you Mrios.
Written by: mrios, 28 Jul 2008 11:04 AM
From: United States
Goodd,
It would be hard to believe that with all those FRANCO"S given there isn't some BACK SCRATCHING going on , the Mexican call this LA MORDIDA. When will the rich of the World realize you can't buy your way into Heaven, this World is full of Selfish and Greedy Human being, just think if everybody cared for his fellow man this Planet Earth would be a whole different place, and true before any European set foot on the Island of QUISQUEYA the Native Tiano's lived the perfect life just think what is known about them is.....They were Children like, Peaceful in nature, Farmers and Fisherman everything they ever wanted the Island of QUISQUEYA
Written by: mrios, 28 Jul 2008 11:51 AM
From: United States
Goodd,
As I was saying....Food was plentiful and disease was scarce but all that would change with the arrival of Columbus in 1492, and the rest is History, we cannot take responsibility for atrocities which took place Centuries in the past but as Humans.....It is our responsibility to help our Fellow Man. I will leave you with this ....Imagine if...The Tiano's were a war Tribe let's say headhunters and / or cannibal's...It would be easy to think things would have turned out a little different. TAKE CARE .
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jul 2008 12:04 PM
From: United States
"Native Tiano's lived the perfect life just think what is known about them is.....They were Children like, Peaceful in nature, Farmers and Fisherman everything they ever wanted the Island of QUISQUEYA "
And where are they now?
Written by: mrios, 28 Jul 2008 1:16 PM
From: United States
AnthonyC,
It is estimated that over 8 Million Tiano's from present day Dom. Rep. Puerto Rico and Cuba perished threw slavery, Starvation, Decease and flat out murder at the hands of Columbus and his Sailors and later those darn Spanish of that era, also one has to understand that the Church of Rome turned the other cheek, one must understand that the Tiano's were viewed as heathens, savages and later demonized [ execute those who are unable unwilling to be converted to Christens ] which in there minds it justified the harsh treatment of the Tiano's.Columbus also ordered the complete destruction of all / any remnants of the Tiano Cultural and religion, The first complete and total genocide of a People and Nation in the Western Hemisphere, just think next time your in Santo Domingo, smack at the National monument [ Popes car parked in front ] which glorifies Columbus as a national hero with a large light pointed towards Heaven [cost $$]. tell me what goes threw your mind ? Take car
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jul 2008 2:11 PM
From: United States
"It is estimated that over 8 Million Tiano's from present day Dom. Rep. Puerto Rico and Cuba perished threw slavery, Starvation, Decease and flat out murder at the hands of Columbus and his Sailors and later those darn Spanish of that era, ..................................................................................................parked in front ] which glorifies Columbus as a national hero with a large light pointed towards Heaven [cost $$]. tell me what goes threw your mind ? Take car"
it was a rhetorical question.
I was pointing out that the Taino Society was so backwards that a handfull rag-tag adventure seekers wiped them out.
Written by: mrios, 28 Jul 2008 4:31 PM
From: United States
AnthonyC,
I'm sorry you missed my point but, Money, Greed, Power was the beginning building blocks to there total destruction and since then nothing has changed, and has been repeated over and over again,
Tiano's may always be viewed as backwards people but modern man has really done a number on the Earth and one another, you see we still have not learned from history, maybe one day we will look back and think.......Or maybe not, just react.
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jul 2008 7:31 PM
From: United States
"Tiano's may always be viewed as backwards people but modern man has really done a number on the Earth and one another, you see we still have not learned from history, maybe one day we will look back and think......"
Spare me the indian Love.
The Tainos, like the Aztecs and Incas were vile backwards people who practiced war and slavery just like the Europeans. In one aspect they were worse. Many of the so called peacefull loving Indians practiced Human Sacrifice and in a few cases canibalism.
Their society was so weak and corrupt they were defeated by a undisciplined forced even though they out numbered the invaders by up to 1000 to 1!
They Lost,. The Better people won.
From: United States
anthonyc, you are such an imbecile that you defy analysis. i really do not know what to make of you, whether you post in jest , or you really are trying to say something meaningful. i have read a lot of bunk in this forum, but you have taken stupidity to hitherto unattained heights of glory. to attribute the annihilation of the Tainos at the hands of the Spaniards as a flaw in the tainos, based on inferiority, would win the Nobel Prize for herculean stupidity, if such a prize was offered. i guess we are now going to hear you offer a treatise which ascribes the Holocaust to the inferioirity of the Jews?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread thats comparing Volkswagens to Coconuts
From: United States
not necessarily, Goulet. the point i am making is that the Tainos could probably have better defended themselves , had they known that the Spaniards were a bunch of reprobates who intended to destroy them. had they believed, at the outset, that the spaniards were such unrepentant scum, they would not have allowed them to amass the numbers and forces necessary to go to battle. they would have wiped them out as they landed. but they were decent people, who believed that they could treat the spaniards like the human beings they were not. this failure to detect the fact that the spaniards were vermin was their down fall, not their inherent inferiority. it was that they trusted untrustworthy scum, plain and simple. the same goes for the Jews today: now that they are aware of the fact that they are targets of nefarious intents, there will not be a second holocaust,because they will be ready next time to take on all comers!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread lets go strait to the part about the Jews ...their historical survival against all odds through the centuries as persecuted and hounded people has made them the highest achieving minority in creation...My God there is only 12 million or less on the whole planet yet in the arts and sciences account for more Nobel Prizes than any country....What Tonyc said about the Aztecs and others is actually true...horrible things far more evil by our standards than Europeans ie Slavery ,Human Sacrafice
From: United States
i am fully aware that the Jewish people , on a per capita basis, have acheived far more than any other group of people. and i am fully aware of the atrocities that were present in the societies which existed before Columbus landed in the new world. i am saying that the indigenous populations could easily have wiped out the spaniards, had they not mistaken their intentions.they might have been brutal, cruel people, but they were probably honest and trustworthy, characteristics not present in the Spaniards. so, when they shook on a deal, for example, they kept their end of the bargain, and expected a reciprocity of duty from the spanish. little did they know, until it was too late, that they were in the company of a bunch of unprincipled lizards. that is all i am saying, Goulet.
From: United States
besides, Goulet, on the subject of slavery and human sacrifice, the Europeans aren't too shabby themselves. they managed to give us the african slave trade, and lynching, which i consider the equivalent of human sacrifice, at least conceptually.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
It is possible however they had never seen horses and I think it was more shock and awe than mistaking good intentions....Cortez taking of Mexico is well documented and makes fascinating reading
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
The smell of the rotting corpes after they were rolled down the steps after their hearts were ripped out of their chests still beating....how nice
Written by: mrios, 29 Jul 2008 3:08 PM
From: United States
Anthony C,
look up the meaning of the word TIANO......And don't mix Aztec's with Tiano's
"They lost, The better People won"
This is what I assume is called "Superior Complex" and to think, Hitler was full of "S C" and laid Europe to waste with Millions and Millions killed and almost won the War, in my book Hitler and Columbus to name a few are no heroes to me.
"They were weak and corrupt"
Tiano's were a strong and proud people with there own system of Government, Religion [Tiano's from my understanding did not belief in the taking life, Columbus was living prof of that ] and were doing just fine before Columbus came.
"Spare me the Indian love"
In South, Central America to include Mexico call someone a "INDIAN" you better be ready to fight them, it's considered a big insult, Columbus thought he was in India and named the Tiano Indians.
Do you know the total cost of the National Monument dedicated to Columbus.
From: United States
mrios, you are probably wasting your efforts here, sad to say. as my dear, departed mother always said " The most miserable fate you will endure in your lifetime is trying to reason with idiots". some people hold to objectionable beliefs, such as white supremacy. but they have intellectual abilities which allow them to mount some sort of a cogent argument, however objectionable to the sensibilities. others, such as anthonyc, are both objectionable and intellectually challenged. he serves as little more than a distraction and an annoyance.
Written by: janiceg, 19 Sep 2008 12:58 PM
From: United States
Hello
I recently learned about the garbage dump communities in the DR and have taken a job with Mustard Seed Communities - www.mustardseed.com to start a new ministry called Chrst in the Garbage Ministires - USA to offer basic necessities of food, etc and education to the people who work the dump. MSC started a school this year to offer free education to some of the children from La Union.
I would love to know more of your experiences and to see your pictures. I don't pretend to know anything - just learning and trying to figure out how to help. I willbe visiting the site in late Oct (27, 28th) and will hopefully learn more - Is there anyone I should meet there in particular?
Janice
Written by: mrios, 19 Sep 2008 8:23 PM
From: United States
Janiceg,
Welcome aboard.....I must admit some times you are going to be in the ride of your life, but don't take nothing personal and always remember " If your heart, brain and mouth / typing fingers are not connected " you will serve only yourself....
Written by: janiceg, 20 Sep 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States
I get that... I've been dong youth andyoung adult ministry for about 20+ years now so am used to tall walls and deep holes..... I've been volunteering with Mustard Seed since 1997 and will do whatever the director suggests since he always seems to lead me on the path to growth and deeper spirituality.
Thanks for the heads up
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: janiceg, 19 Sep 2008 12:58 PM
From: United States
Hello
I recently learned about the garbage dump communities in the DR and have taken a job with Mustard Seed Communities - www.mustardseed.com to start a new ministry called Chrst in the Garbage Ministires - USA to offer basic necessities of food, etc and education to the people who work the dump. MSC started a school this year to offer free education to some of the children from La Union.
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May God bless you, Janiceg.
It takes a special person to volunteer, and an even more special person to help, and minister to children. Assuming that your mission is an Ecumenical endeavor, I wouldn't know who to recommend for information; You will have a myriad of sources since the country is fundamentally "wholly" Catholic.
Again, May God bless you.
Arsenio.
Feel free to visit my blog:
http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/
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All the Resorts, Hotels, Concerts, and the rest of the Hooplah is the icing on the cake. Yet, the masses of the people are in utter poverty. It's more romantic, fashionable to photograph the pretty buildings. This is the real deal. Where the rubber meets the road. Back in 1974, my deceased Mother brought home a beggar boy, full of sores and hungry. His family (living in Gualey) kicked him out of the house, and told him go and beg for food. Mom met him in "Guibia" en el Malecon. Mom finally took him back home after feeding him for a week; and continued to visit him for a while. These pictures are reflective of the reason why D.R. can't deal with Ill-eagles from Haiti; Since it's already full of dirt poor people. You can't help others when you can't feed your own family! God bless those children. Save the children. Please stop selling fantasies. Let's keep it real; Not phony bologna.
No, many people on here make it seems that as though Haiti is the only Country with poverty and with areas that are not pleasant to see on Television. When almost most of the Latin-American poor Countries have those images they are not proud of to see on the screen.
Indeed you see less of them being expose because due to less political instabilities most of these other Countries have not been the main focus of negative stigmatism.
Yet, we see more people demonizing one another, ridiculing much of every stances aim for peace and rely mostly on hatred, old deep rooted resentments and inherited false differences to go at each other's throats without realizing no matter your hues, condition and any sense of supremacy one may hold dear to their hearts to feel important about themselves that no matter what, no matter what at all, we are all indigenous to the very same World thus is what we all have in common equally.
We can amass all the amount of wealth and economical grace of success all we can all, but it will mean nothing as long as we do not have humanity and be humane to one another, to the Earth.
There need not to be wars for us to start asking for peace, there need not to be chaos for us to start asking for order as to the very same there need not to be tension to know there are fundamental problems with us as people.
Keep in mind, no matter the amount of land and territories we claim with all the much boundaries and jurisdictions we try to set ourselves apart as to being our own Countries, Nations and Empires because when all our malice is done speaking for how so negative we have treated each other and die, those territorial lands and jurisdiction will always be and belong to the one and only Earth.
It always has and always will be as we are the ones dying and the Earth itself will go on until it is its time for it to be no more... but until such time, the Earth has all the time in the World, but do we?
So, how about we start looking into this common deficiency which we all have that is to simply start realizing this that it is we have in common as people instead of blaming each others as nations or Countries, races and colors, conditions and exclusion. Why must we punish each other for the deeds of past Ancestors who did not keep in mind that we later generations would still have to live with each other and one another here on that very same World they each seek to establish apart for what started it all which was people's greed and own ambitions to conquer and control.
Unfortunately, most will end up washing Prados and laying bricks for those who can't see beyond thier own wealth.
Okay and indeed,
So why the constant bashing of each other as how and what is the reason for its justification if we all know that much? What I may have say may very well will remain just words if we as this future generation do not act as we can clearly see, many of the now generation ruling and controling everything do not share any common care for us future generation, but it does not matter how much more or less they do for they will pass, what really matters is how much we will do for ourselves so that we will not let our future generations that is to come after us endure the same unaccountability
Try to adopt a Dominican Child! I tried. It is next to impossible. They don't want to have a program that will help the kids because it will cut a source of revenue.
How sad indeed, years back I knew a School Teacher where I work who belonged to one of those Church ran "Help the Children, Fund Crap" he had been mailed photos and a complete back ground on the Child, so when I informed him I was going on vacation to the DR and if he would just give me his address I would visit him and would personally hand him gifts and money...To make a long story short, the Church creeps refused to give any/all info. regarding that child and also refused to call or email me back, which sounded like a total "RIP-OFF" to me and all in the name of GOD, I'll call anybody that would mislead, lie, steal, cheat and swindle in the name of GOD what we called them in L.A... "STREET PIMPS" which means "Anybody who benefits from other peoples misery in the name of GOD, HELP and HOPE. I'm always reminded by these words..."Money is the root of all evil" and "It's not money, But the love of money"
Give...Give...Give..... And you'll see nothing will change, you will then create a give me, give me society with no incentive to help it's self, but if you give them enough building blocks for positive change, then you are helping them help them selfs, and to become self sufficient....in other words I can give you one Million dollars stand back and WOW ! watch you loose your mind and self destruct, But if i went as far as helping you earn and make one Million dollars it would only serve to be an inspiration so others may follow. Identify the need, never give cash, you buy the products needed and always do a follow-up. It would be nice if and when the next Country donates building products not money, but still someone has to do a checks and balances with a complete follow-up. I only hope it's you, you sound like someone who really cares. "You are only rich, if there are poor" GOD BLESS YOU.
It would be hard to believe that with all those FRANCO"S given there isn't some BACK SCRATCHING going on , the Mexican call this LA MORDIDA. When will the rich of the World realize you can't buy your way into Heaven, this World is full of Selfish and Greedy Human being, just think if everybody cared for his fellow man this Planet Earth would be a whole different place, and true before any European set foot on the Island of QUISQUEYA the Native Tiano's lived the perfect life just think what is known about them is.....They were Children like, Peaceful in nature, Farmers and Fisherman everything they ever wanted the Island of QUISQUEYA
As I was saying....Food was plentiful and disease was scarce but all that would change with the arrival of Columbus in 1492, and the rest is History, we cannot take responsibility for atrocities which took place Centuries in the past but as Humans.....It is our responsibility to help our Fellow Man. I will leave you with this ....Imagine if...The Tiano's were a war Tribe let's say headhunters and / or cannibal's...It would be easy to think things would have turned out a little different. TAKE CARE .
And where are they now?
It is estimated that over 8 Million Tiano's from present day Dom. Rep. Puerto Rico and Cuba perished threw slavery, Starvation, Decease and flat out murder at the hands of Columbus and his Sailors and later those darn Spanish of that era, also one has to understand that the Church of Rome turned the other cheek, one must understand that the Tiano's were viewed as heathens, savages and later demonized [ execute those who are unable unwilling to be converted to Christens ] which in there minds it justified the harsh treatment of the Tiano's.Columbus also ordered the complete destruction of all / any remnants of the Tiano Cultural and religion, The first complete and total genocide of a People and Nation in the Western Hemisphere, just think next time your in Santo Domingo, smack at the National monument [ Popes car parked in front ] which glorifies Columbus as a national hero with a large light pointed towards Heaven [cost $$]. tell me what goes threw your mind ? Take car
it was a rhetorical question.
I was pointing out that the Taino Society was so backwards that a handfull rag-tag adventure seekers wiped them out.
I'm sorry you missed my point but, Money, Greed, Power was the beginning building blocks to there total destruction and since then nothing has changed, and has been repeated over and over again,
Tiano's may always be viewed as backwards people but modern man has really done a number on the Earth and one another, you see we still have not learned from history, maybe one day we will look back and think.......Or maybe not, just react.
Spare me the indian Love.
The Tainos, like the Aztecs and Incas were vile backwards people who practiced war and slavery just like the Europeans. In one aspect they were worse. Many of the so called peacefull loving Indians practiced Human Sacrifice and in a few cases canibalism.
Their society was so weak and corrupt they were defeated by a undisciplined forced even though they out numbered the invaders by up to 1000 to 1!
They Lost,. The Better people won.
look up the meaning of the word TIANO......And don't mix Aztec's with Tiano's
"They lost, The better People won"
This is what I assume is called "Superior Complex" and to think, Hitler was full of "S C" and laid Europe to waste with Millions and Millions killed and almost won the War, in my book Hitler and Columbus to name a few are no heroes to me.
"They were weak and corrupt"
Tiano's were a strong and proud people with there own system of Government, Religion [Tiano's from my understanding did not belief in the taking life, Columbus was living prof of that ] and were doing just fine before Columbus came.
"Spare me the Indian love"
In South, Central America to include Mexico call someone a "INDIAN" you better be ready to fight them, it's considered a big insult, Columbus thought he was in India and named the Tiano Indians.
Do you know the total cost of the National Monument dedicated to Columbus.
I recently learned about the garbage dump communities in the DR and have taken a job with Mustard Seed Communities - www.mustardseed.com to start a new ministry called Chrst in the Garbage Ministires - USA to offer basic necessities of food, etc and education to the people who work the dump. MSC started a school this year to offer free education to some of the children from La Union.
I would love to know more of your experiences and to see your pictures. I don't pretend to know anything - just learning and trying to figure out how to help. I willbe visiting the site in late Oct (27, 28th) and will hopefully learn more - Is there anyone I should meet there in particular?
Janice
Welcome aboard.....I must admit some times you are going to be in the ride of your life, but don't take nothing personal and always remember " If your heart, brain and mouth / typing fingers are not connected " you will serve only yourself....
Thanks for the heads up
From: United States
Hello
I recently learned about the garbage dump communities in the DR and have taken a job with Mustard Seed Communities - www.mustardseed.com to start a new ministry called Chrst in the Garbage Ministires - USA to offer basic necessities of food, etc and education to the people who work the dump. MSC started a school this year to offer free education to some of the children from La Union.
* * * * * * *
May God bless you, Janiceg.
It takes a special person to volunteer, and an even more special person to help, and minister to children. Assuming that your mission is an Ecumenical endeavor, I wouldn't know who to recommend for information; You will have a myriad of sources since the country is fundamentally "wholly" Catholic.
Again, May God bless you.
Arsenio.
Feel free to visit my blog:
http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/