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Santo Domingo. – There are an estimated 20,000 mostly undocumented Haitian immigrants in the Bavaro-Punta Cana (east) area of the Dominican Republic as of December and around 3,000 more have arrived so far this year, an influx and accompanying sprawl that concerns the area’s hoteliers.

The figures are from the Bavaro-Punta Cana Hotels and Tourism Projects Association, whose president Ernesto Veloz said it keeps a record of the foreigners, and expresses anger when he talks about the topic.

"We opened an Immigration Agency office to allegedly control and manage the undocumented Haitians but it has never carried out its mission. There’s new furniture and a bus that hasn’t done its first trip. Nothing has worked,” he said

Veloz, like other hoteliers, fears the situation will get out of control in the tourism region, "the country’s number one and one of the Caribbean’s three most important."

Faced with what he describes as Immigration’s apathy, hoteliers are trying to establish controls of the Haitians who work in the construction of tourism projects, including malaria control program for Haitians hired as construction workers and also provide then with ID cards.

Veloz said their efforts include a lab to prevent an outbreak of the disease with blood samples taken regularly from Haitian workers, and fumigation of construction areas. "The problem we have is that we can monitor or respond to the Haitians who are in hotel construction, but those outside or informal, those who have no work, those Haitians who don’t know where they live, we can’t locate. The streets are filled at all hours, day or night.”

He said although many Haitians work in construction, the majority are involved in other activities or loiter around the area. "Those who aren’t working are vagrants. You see them day and night. It's gotten to the point that when you walk through some places you see signs in patois (Creole).”

Veloz said the hotel industry recognizes the benefits of the Haitian workforce, including the fact that many speak English, French and Spanish. "Of course, in partly it’s our fault. The hoteliers are the ones who hire Haitians. But what happens when they leave the work sites, we automatically lose control of these people, and Haitians also come who aren’t working in construction, coming to do business. Here when its payday you see fried food venders, flea markets, who come from Haiti to sell here.”

The Haitians also generate a dynamic economic movement among themselves but the areas where those workers live are overcrowded, which also concerns hoteliers as to the effects as a tourism attraction. "They don’t leave one peso here. They send money to their families or spend on prostitutes and rum. You will you never see a Haitian in a formal business, in a restaurant, or anything like that."

"Bavaro is totally decayed. In Punta Cana there’s another concept because there’s a vision of what they to be done and they do it. But not here," Veloz said, and asks” What has the government given to Punta Cana? Nothing. What Punta Cana has done, it has done alone, we are a sort of orphan, orphans of living parents, because the government is the pappy, and does nothing."

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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 11:41 AM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
Although I agree that immigration laws should be enforced, I am however disturbed by the persistent racists overtones this particular issue seems to have. Imagine if the countries where Dominican settle (often times illegally), mirrored the Laws and views of the Dominican Republic? Millions of Dominican-Yorks would be deported, harassed and otherwise treated as one step above cattle...
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Written by: soundessential, 27 Aug 2008 11:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Damn, this guy is really angry
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Written by: SpinDoctor, 27 Aug 2008 11:48 AM
From: Canada
What a load of racist vitriol. The "hoteliers" would gladly hire them to build their hotels then complain once they have the property completed. Haitians wouldn't go there to begin with if Dominicans themselves would do the construction. Of course, that's beneath them and only suited for a Haitian. Catch22!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 11:53 AM
From: United States
watch this thread receive 5000 postings!!!!
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Nothing racist here just the plain truth, sometimes the truth isn't pretty.

It is an eyesore and the same as in California with the illegal homeless Mexicans

But they need to control this and create decent living conditions for the workers.

They say they can't control them after they get off work, well thats to be expected they have no where to go. Put up an area with latrines showers and shelter away from the main tourist area's.

No one wants to deal with this social problem when they are on vacation..


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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 11:59 AM
From: United States
Current goverment is a bunch of people without stamina, will, credibility or "Cojones" to do things by the book.

We can't allow this massive "People tsunami" to destroy the image and business in Punta Cana just to please ONG"S and everybody else.

Seems to be that the FFAA will have to act sooner than later before the "Balcanization" occur.

"Where is the president?????
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Written by: ny4life, 27 Aug 2008 12:12 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Nothing racist here just the plain truth, sometimes the truth isn't pretty.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 12:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is what im talking about, these people are practically invading the Dominican Republic. We need massive deportations, 2 million haitians and counting. We need a wall now! and we need to militarize the border or we wont have a country left. Look at the hell hole that Haiti is today no tree's no infrastructure that's coming to us. These people are natural born D*E*S*T*R*O*Y*E*R*S.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 27 Aug 2008 12:47 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
In Punta Cana there’s another concept because there’s a vision of what they to be done and they do it. But not here," Veloz said, and asks” What has the government given to Punta Cana? Nothing. What Punta Cana has done, it has done alone, we are a sort of orphan, orphans of living parents, because the government is the pappy, and does nothing.".........this guy is absolutely right Rainieri and Co. delivered a dream with no government or very little assistance.....They have no power outages
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Written by: BASTA, 27 Aug 2008 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
And where are the Dominicans? 176th Street.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 1:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
And where are the haitians? in Flatbush, Brooklyn.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 1:20 PM
From: Haiti
The tone of this article is giving the impression that haitians are sitting around loitering. Where are the dominicans? The fact is haitians have literally built Punta Cana Bavaro area. Another mans garbage is another mans treasure. They pay rent, buy food, and generate money in that region. Instead of distorting the facts this guy should say we have used them for cheap labour and no want them out because they are economically growing. Immigration should be regulated but the dominican elite have benefited from this and will only do things during elections. Where the natives. Oh they are at Miches waiting for the next yola to Puerto Rico and off th 176 and Broadway to do the same thing undocumented haitians are doing in there native land. Hustle and Bustle.. Why aren't dominicans taking these jobs? Where are they? If they decide to deport haitians on the east watch DR's tourist take a nose dive straight to the drug dropping fields..
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 1:32 PM
From: Brazil
Let's make a bet, dread and Jabao. How many posts do you think this article will get at the end of the day?
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 1:36 PM
From: United States
i said 5000 before it was all beaten to death. surely, by midnight, i would say 50 or so.
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 1:40 PM
From: Brazil
Well, I find that wager to be reasonable, dread, although it might be less, considering that Rubi's counterpart, rom1804, has been officially banned from the site. Maybe 40 at midnight.
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Written by: CarlosFranco, 27 Aug 2008 1:40 PM
From: United States
Am beginning to believe that DR will become soon an extension of Haiti!!! The facts speak for themselves... and our government does nothing.... They don't care...

God forgive me but if DR becomes Haitianized to the point of no return.... I will forget DR and never return!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 1:51 PM
From: United States
yes, rom was good for maybe 15 or so, all by himself. but, we are moving along smoothly so far. 40 is realistic
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 2:07 PM
From: Haiti
Lautaro I bet you that it going to be the Record breaker on DT. This topic will veer to 1844, boyer,trujillo, sin numero de cosas.. Debemos responder en español tu sabes la mayoría no puede expresarse bien en este idioma. Este arti-culo es interesante. Este señor debe plantear propuestas para desviar el flujo de haitianos indocumentados hacia otras áreas en este caso Punta Cana/Bavaro. Este articulo me muestra que los haitianos son gente pujante que hacen los trabajos que los "algunos" dominicanos no quieren hacer. ¿Donde está los nativos? Definitivamente hay un dilema migratorio pero el gobierno no quiere resolverlo y 60 % de los dominicanos quieren irse del pais
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As long as Haiti remains idle and illiterate the problem will never end, the international community has lost trust in haiti's goverment. Then again i ask myself what goverment? D.R. is at the brunt of the storm, Leonel is a weak president period. Militarize the border and coastline, massive deportations, create laws making it a crime if you attempt a second time in crossing the border. Money can be allocated for this endeavor, the thing is are people wiling to enforce the law?
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 2:16 PM
From: United States
Jabao-Haitian:

So the 1,000,000 Dollar $$$$ question is why if Dominicas are illiterate, stupid and lazy as you express in your latest comments , your country and your people are the ones living in the 18 century??

You try to be educated, decent and diplomatic sometimes but at the end like somebody call you, your true colors show, We don't need your cheap rhetoric and teachings when in reality the Haitian people are the mediocre no us.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 2:19 PM
From: Haiti
Arkatype what law? The dominican elite is interested in building towers for foreign investors aka drug traffickers and metros for dom-yorks like you to think that the country is developed mean while education lacks and the eletricity problem seems to be getting worse. Why not send back the illegals from you neigbhorhood and the rest of the world and have them work in the tourist zone after all they should have acquired the foreign language, NOT and you can be the maestro in charge of the construction with a yankee cap and timbaland boots playing bachata & regueton. Why not come back here and do something then talk gibberish from the tight apartment on 180st and Dyckman...and get your flag off the window that's a fire hazard.
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 2:20 PM
From: Brazil
Jejejej, te entiendo, Jabao. Es la misma lloradera y gritadera de siempre (making a mocking face): the haitians are coming, the haitians are coming!!, LOL. Si ellos no quieren que los haitianos vengan y los "invadan" ¿Para qué diablos están de graciosos ofreciendoles empleo tan alegremente? Sheesh, que pendejos están estos tipos.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 2:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JR RUBIROSA Ignore that toilet bowl full of caca, everything that guy post is coming from the dream state he finds himself in.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 2:25 PM
From: Haiti
Rubi mi pana full..no te entiendo..somos en la RD..donde nojotro ablamo epanyol..deja esa bayna..showing off yur ingles..diablo..and you call me an intellectual. Seriously though how come you can't muster three sentences in spanish..thank god at least public schools in Nueva Yol has taught you english..are you giving back to the USA or still collecting and working under the table at the bodega..don't let uncle sam found out..Rubi where have you been though..did you find the missing perico...I say this thread is going to hit 100..all them are out..
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 2:28 PM
From: United States
i see where we are progressing smoothly toward the record...picking up steam nicely.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 2:29 PM
From: United States
and don't forget, we are still to hear from carbelk. can i change my prediction?
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 2:31 PM
From: Brazil
Nope. You have reminded us of the missing piece in the flag waving puzzle. Also, don't forget about the pearls of wisdom emanating from His Imperial Majesty, anthonyC.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 2:35 PM
From: United States
JH:

Me fascina tu vocabulario barato de chopas de barrio y gente barata como tu gente que solo sabe llevar enfermedades, salvajismo y creencias de brujeria barata.
No quiero discutir estupideces contigo pues gracias a Dios nunca he tenido que vivir en barrios marginados como mencionas tu con tu idioma negril de Haitiano barato como son la mayoria de uds, para muestra solo hay que verlos alla que se defecan y orinan donde quiera como pequenos animalitos salvajes.
Sigue engrandeciendote con tus creencia infantiles de que conoces a la aristocracia de alla cuando tu eres un simple y chopo Haitiano como la mayoria que tenemos alla.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 2:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JR RUBIROSA This penny less scrub always talks about the "Dominican Elites!" Dude "usted es un baboso" The wannabe dominicano, make belief spokes men of the "Dominican Elites!" guy you are a joke!
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 2:40 PM
From: United States
JH:

You truly believe that I live in Washington heights?, "dude" you are very biased, dumb and nearsighted when in comes to knowledge about Dominicans in NY.

We are not like Haitians that only think about eating, defecating and thinking like predators from the 18 century.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 2:41 PM
From: United States
Arcatype:

Be careful that they have their little puppy "Made in Haiti" next to them, I call him Mr. Wikipedia because he is always posting stuff to be a forrest gump.
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Written by: old_school_trinitario, 27 Aug 2008 2:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, From a yanikeke stand near you
There is not a racial connotation about this article, what is really racial is the inevitable back and forward between racist Dominicans and Dominicans wannabes.
What both nations really need is to TRUJILLO and PAPA DOC to comeback from the dead as a 2headed monster and take over the island.
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Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Aug 2008 2:56 PM
From: United States
"you guys are a disgrace to humanity"

No. YOU and that other clown with all these racist diatribes are a disgrace to humanity in general and to the Dominican people in particular. Da asco y verguenze leer semejante cosa. Acaso ustedes no se dan cuenta pero nuestro pueblo NO ES UN PUEBLO DE BLANCOS. I have money that says I'm whiter then most of the posters who constantly post crap on here (and no I do not consider myself white) yet I don't feed into this nonsense. Get over yourselves and see your people for what they are and if you can't accept it fine. Deny us. I'd rather that then some of you opening your mouths and as a result giving all Dominicans a bad name with your shear stupidity.


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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 3:02 PM
From: United States
Cibaeno75:

Good for you buddy but I don't need to be forced to side with your comments, if you truly believe so then move to Haiti and help your own people over there.

In the meantime i honor the memory of Duarte, Sanchez y Mella not Boyer and Louvertore.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 3:02 PM
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, my prediction was 40 posts by midnight. would you object strenuously if i added a zero to that?
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 3:03 PM
From: Haiti
JR pero que fue manito...quien te e'cribió ete post. Mas respeto ombe. Diablo, te pasastes de la raya. Perdon tu eres rico de clase media y sabe leer y escribir. Manito tiene un complejo de inferioridad. No voy a discutir con un grosero como tu. Por favor digame que opinas sobre el tema? Que soluciones tienes sobre la inmigracion haitiana? Por que las empresas prefieren contratar obreros haitianos? Donde estan los dominicanos? Esos son preguntas ni el gobierno dominicano quiere confrontar. La mente es la que tiene la respuesta. Gracias de antemano
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 3:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I want the D.R. to not be infected by the cancer that permeates Haiti, if that's to hard for the brainless to understand. "THEN TOO BAD!!!!!"
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 3:05 PM
From: Brazil
Not anymore, dread. All hell have broken loose. I didn't take into account the event of Rubi and Ark making a team-up.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 3:07 PM
From: Haiti
Dread..no back track this post is going off the richter scale by 7 tonight. I got the 40th post..do i get a prize..dread?
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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 3:16 PM
From: Brazil
Rubi and Ark,

This page is dedicated specially to both of you: http://www.idg.org.do/capsulas/diciembre2005/diciembre200510.htm

Enjoy, ;-)
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Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Aug 2008 3:22 PM
From: United States
"I want the D.R. to not be infected by the cancer that permeates Haiti, if that's to hard for the brainless to understand. "THEN TOO BAD!!!!!" "

Instead of constantly insulting the haitian people why don't you insult the clowns who are employing them? Why don't you start a campaign to vilify those that facilitate work for illegals? You won't do such a thing because it does not encompass your anti-haitian ideology very neatly. This article plainly states as to WHY there are haitians in the zone in question; because there is employment for them there. The ones doing the hiring, those are the culprits that should recieve the ire of those who are bothered by Haitian immigration (and believe me that includes me). It's the same with balaguer. All his life anti-haitian rhetoric but during his presidency there was no shortage of them to cut cane. He did nothing to stop there ever increasing numbers back then. This problem didn't come out of nowhere. He was as full of crap as you guys are.
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Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Aug 2008 3:23 PM
From: United States
I posted that for them Lautaro. One of them actually said it stemmed from a Haitian site and as such was moot! This is what we're dealing with.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 3:25 PM
From: United States
no you don't Jabao. Mr Lautaro will not allow me to change my prediction, but, if you make the 400th post, i will consider some type of award. at the rate we are going, i have to think fast what this prize should be..carbelk isn't even here yet.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 3:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lautaro are you that dumb! Do you think that the people spoken about in that list are Haitians of 100% African ancestry. Those were the white french slave masters that escaped Haiti, when the slaves were slaughtering the white population. "Remember the massacres" DIABLO QUE BRUTO ES ESTE TIGUERITO!". Let me school you "Jose Maria Imbert Dupresse "COMANDANTE SUPREMO DE LA BATALLA DE SANTIAGO DE 1844" nacio en la ciudad de Fudlon al nor-oeste de la Republica de Francia en el 1801; hijo de Simon Imbert y de Maria Ana Dupresse vino muy joven a America fijando residencia en Cuba despues paso a Puerto Principe de Haiti escapando las masacres en Haiti. Luego vino al lado nuestro fijando residencia en Moca, Trabajo como corregidor (Alcalde). En Moca establecio hogar casandose con la mocana Maria Francisca Del Monte. Siendo corregidor se enrolo al movimiento independentista, y al darse el grito de independencia en "EL CONDE". Cont.,
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Written by: talia, 27 Aug 2008 3:48 PM
From: United States, NY
Can we be cool for about 5 seconds here please. The way I see it is Haitians in Punta Cana who are doing business should be obligated to have some kind of taxation or give money to the authority where they are doing business. And I'm sure there is such a thing in DR. Its the Dominican govts. choice and responsibility to ask for portion of the selling. At least for the sake of someone's health he talks of testing and treatment for malaria and fumigation. On some cases I agree with Veloz's objections and he has to foster and care for this sector of tourism that has helped to booster of the economy- its his responsibility along with Prez. L. who I hope doesn't contine to sleep on this.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 3:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Continuation, Dirigio a toda la comarca una proclama despertando los sentimientos patrioticos de los dominicanos." BATALLAS DE MARZO1844, Por Joaquin Priego. Lautaro school the braindead.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States
arcatype:

Thanks a lot for your invaluable input against the know everything group.

Very clear and articulate comments "Mocano", I'm 50% too.....LOL
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Written by: talia, 27 Aug 2008 3:51 PM
From: United States, NY
I'm posting this again, ayiyi:

Can we be cool for about 10 seconds here please. The way I see it is Haitians in Punta Cana who are doing business should be obligated to have some kind of taxation or give money to the authority where they are doing business. And I'm sure there is such a thing in DR. Its the Dominican govts. choice and responsibility to ask for portion of the selling. At least for the sake of someone's health he talks of testing and treatment for malaria and fumigation. On some cases I agree with Veloz's objections and he has to foster and care for this sector of tourism that has helped to booster the economy- its his responsibility along with Prez. L. who I hope doesn't contine to sleep on this.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 3:53 PM
From: Haiti
Dread, we are on.. It's ashame that embeciles from the states don't have left their country for the same reasons as these hard working people that was dealt a bad hand. These guys are boring and predictable..They are only fueled by spewing hatred towards my compatriots. I am still waiting for a solution from these idiots. Rubi is just a retard that has complex issues while the other is just a cobarde distorting history. All have something in common, they believe that they are descendants of spaniards fighting to keep the bad haitians from DR. Why not confront your governement? I forgot you wont dare step out of line. Have you guys ever been to Punta Cana/ Bavaro area? Cibaeno, you white boy stop denying it..lol...the chosen one..jajjaj..ok seriously i would like to blame my government for forcing these people to migrate looking for work when they can provide them jobs in haiti. Just a heads up..Santiago will so boom in haitain laborers..in near future..
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Im from Santiago we are neighbors my brother!
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 3:57 PM
From: United States
arcatype:

I'm 50 % Santiago, 50% Moca but I was borned and raised in Santiago....

Santiaguero de pura cepa...................................
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 4:00 PM
From: Haiti
JR mi pana full. I am waiting 4 you to lay down positive criticism regarding this topic. I guess your spanish writer went out for lunch. Arkatype you are a cobarde with little brain cells..So the whites in haiti aren't haitian..lol..only the blacks..then if that's the case majority of the whites in DR are really dominicans but foreignors that are just passing by in the DR. You know what's going to happen to you..you babies are going to come out with pelo malo and round noses and full lips.....better marry a non dominican..lol. Again if you want beef go to a haitian neighbourhood and start talking your diatribes. tough guy online..if something would break out I can see you running..wait u dont even live on the island but a immigrant in the USA..I hope McCain wins so you can get a one way ticket down here and work side by side with your beloved haitainos..
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 4:05 PM
From: United States
JH:

Once again your brain is attached to your A.. on your comments, who told you that i belong to the group that you mentioned regarding Mccain winning as a president.

Regarding Arcatype comments He is just trying to educate your inferior haitian mentality that believes in superiority of 18 century slaves behavior.
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 4:07 PM
From: Haiti
Ok both of your guys are campesinos who moved to santiago in some marginalise neighbourhood and won a ticket to Nueva Yol..want a biscuit...Rubi mi pana full. I am still waiting for a rebuttal en espanol..sobre el tema..I guess you wasn't picked to go to school..how did you get to the usa? Cousins passport or you came from Puerto Rico..yola taker..Dread it better be good..lol..
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Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Aug 2008 4:10 PM
From: Haiti
You think McCain is going to differentiate you from an illegal..it's going to be a sweep..any funny looking negro with fair skin and big nose that speak with an accent is off to Krome to do some push ups and off to Las Americas..I bet you you'll be crying to go back to the USA and claiming you have your papers..Tan domincano eres..tu eres mi pana full. you are classic here.......
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Written by: talia, 27 Aug 2008 4:18 PM
From: United States, NY
I'm posting this yet again, ayiyi:

Can we be cool for about 15 seconds here please. The way I see it is Haitians in Punta Cana who are doing business should be obligated to have some kind of taxation or give money to the authority where they are doing business. And I'm sure there is such a thing in DR. Its the Dominican govts. choice and responsibility to ask for portion of the selling. At least for the sake of someone's health he talks of testing and treatment for malaria and fumigation. On some cases I agree with Veloz's objections and he has to foster and care for this sector of tourism that has helped to booster the economy- its his responsibility along with Prez. L. who I hope doesn't contine to sleep on this.

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Written by: Lautaro, 27 Aug 2008 4:20 PM
From: Brazil
Seguramente la muela que él usa, Jabao, es la de engañar a todas esas chopas de barrio diciendo: "Mis hijas, yo soy de Santiago, descendiente de don Porfirio..." y demás porquerías por el estilo. LOL

En cuanto a ti, Arka, por si no lo sabias, Antonio Duvergé SI tenía sangre africana en sus venas, ya que sus padres eran gente de color (gens de couleur), una clase diferente en sí misma (por lo cual eran despreciados por tus queridos "grand blancs"). Así que, mi pana, el que necesita ir a la escuela y dejar de leer paquitos eres tú. What a jack*ss.

PS: For your (and Rubi's) dismay, if it weren't for Duvergé's military prowess, the DR would have never survived past 1844. ¿Tienen algo más que decir?
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Written by: talia, 27 Aug 2008 4:23 PM
From: United States, NY
Looks like I'm just going to keep bumping:

Can we be cool for about 15 seconds here please. The way I see it is Haitians in Punta Cana who are doing business should be obligated to have some kind of taxation or give money to the authority where they are doing business. And I'm sure there is such a thing in DR. Its the Dominican govts. choice and responsibility to ask for portion of the selling. At least for the sake of someone's health he talks of testing and treatment for malaria and fumigation. On some cases I agree with Veloz's objections and he has to foster and care for this sector of tourism that has helped to booster the economy- its his responsibility along with Prez. L. who I hope doesn't contine to sleep on this.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 4:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lautaro, And i wonder why a mulatto Antonio Duverge from Haitian ancestry will not fight along his fellow countrymen! Can someone say "RACISM." The majority blacks were fighting the small elite's or mullato's making chowder out of their behinds in Haiti. That's why Charles Riviere-Herard got rid of Jean Pierre Boyer he was becoming complacent with the small mulatto elite's in Haiti and ignoring the majority of his soldiers that were 100% black africans making them live in misery. O.K. Pro-Haiti-Man.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 4:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lautaro, You mean if it was not for Juan Pablo Duarte that moved mountains and all obstacles to separate us from that alien nation of self destruction, and gave all his money to make sure that you have shade in the sun and a decent meal you ingrate!
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 4:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't agree with this part it is a contradiction.

The Haitians also generate a dynamic economic movement among themselves but the areas where those workers live are overcrowded, which also concerns hoteliers as to the effects as a tourism attraction. "They don’t leave one peso here. They send money to their families or spend on prostitutes and rum. You will you never see a Haitian in a formal business, in a restaurant, or anything like that."

That Hooker and Rum money contributes to the economy...sort of..

Loitering is looked down upon anywhere in the world so if you have a goup of people with no means and are panhandling or harassing the tourists and driving away business you have to do somthng.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 4:50 PM
From: United States
Lautaro: where you get your history facts from?? Haitian books i guess, why don't you take off your mask of portraying yourself as Dominican when you are haitian.

JH: why you keep missing the target over and over buddy, for 200th time let me clarify something with you, I'm sorry to let let you down but will emphasize to your discomfort that I don't belong to that class, came legally to the USA and i don't need to worry about being deported, last but not least since I came to this great country never lived in Washington heights and my life is perfectly comfortable in all aspects.

On your side guess things are not going well, maybe You go and pay on those internet centers and waist your little money letting out your envy against dominicans, maybe take public transportation to go to do construction and from time to time cross the border illegaly to see your family.

We don't play in the same league and I don't belong to your ghetto class...
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 4:53 PM
From: United States
arcatype:

Lautaro is 100 % Haitian and never has the guts to admit it because he is very shameful of his origins.
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Written by: Johnnyc, 27 Aug 2008 4:54 PM
From: United States
Lets review: 2008 Builders hire Haitians as constructions workers...... Builders pay off Gov't agents to look the other way..... 1908 Sugar Cane Growers Hire Haitians.... Sugar Cane Growers pay Gov't agents to look the other way........

Can anyone name a single Government Agency that is doing it's job? Can anyone name a President that had a Government that actually that had Govenment Agencies that did their job?
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 5:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Im starting to believe that too. It reminds me of someone else called Dreadlocks that claims to be a "WORLD CITIZEN?" whatever that is, and most likely is haitian or haitian american.
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Written by: cperez155, 27 Aug 2008 5:49 PM
From: United States
The govt really needs to build a wall along the border before this problem gets further out of control. Something must be done!
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 6:02 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
" arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 5:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Im starting to believe that too. It reminds me of someone else called Dreadlocks that claims to be a "WORLD CITIZEN?" whatever that is, and most likely is haitian or haitian american.
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I am checking in !! Very entertaining “tu papa esta aqui Rubi asi ta te kieta y k te calles", Lautaro I will be going to Yucatan this Saturday, I promise to post some pictures.

Jabao are you saying that Rubi can not write proper English ? well I was hoping his Spanish was better, any who I have seen some improvement lately.

Every progressive Dominicans that do not agree with your gibberish are Haitians, you guys are the lowest human living cells.

(scum = (Greenwave=Akartype=Onde vert=Carbkl99=Rubi))
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Written by: Anonymous, 27 Aug 2008 6:04 PM
From: United States
Not trying to be pessimistic, but what is the purpose of the wall when the government will let the haitians in anyways. A wall is only doing its job if its properly implemented. Like i said, DR has the money to build a wall. Has the capability of getting rid of all the haitians, the problem that arises, is that they don't want to do that. All this bashing and stating things will not help the situation, unless the dominican government take the initiative or sees it to their best interest. At the end of the day, its about the Benjamins. Who cares what dominican citizens say, who cares what haitians say, its about what the dollar say. Please don't bark up my tree, but that's the way the world works. My mom always told me that money talks, i guess you guys should have a fight with the money coming into DR.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:17 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
We (because I'm Dominican as well) should get off our high horses. The Dominican Republic is a coup d’état away from being a failed State (i.e Somalia, Haiti, etc.). If we could look beyond our peasant-leaning views we would realize that for all intent and purpose Haiti and the Dominican Republic are in the same boat. Their problems are "our" problem; Haiti's people are "our" people.
We are intrinsically linked economically, historically and culturally. The issue at hand in Punta Cana is not about illegal "Piti" squatters threatening to obliterate the illusion of the Dominican Republic being a forward-looking tourist destination (and it is an illusion, let me tell you); but of socially outcast human beings trying to survive with dignity in a hostile environment.
Too bad that we (Dominicans) are so intellectually challenged as to be incapable of understanding this clear fact. Too bad we have not shed the peasant mentality that has kept us on the fringe of 21st century...Shame on US!!!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 6:19 PM
From: United States
arkatype, if you took the time to examine the thread, you will notice that i stayed away from making any editorial comments regarding this subject. the reason is simple; it brings out the worst in types such as yourself, who are one dimensional, and rampaging idiots. i have never seen you post in any thread if it does not have a haitian component. this leads me to conclude, quite safely i might add, that you are marginally literate, and supremely ignorant. maybe if you get an education, and enable yourself to discuss matters other than those with racial components, we can have a discussion. until that eventuates, i will do my level best to avoid you. as a wise man once said " never argue with a fool, because, from a distance, nobody can tell the difference". (paraphrase)
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:20 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
We (because I'm Dominican as well) should get off our high horses. The Dominican Republic is a coup d’état away from being a failed State (i.e Somalia, Haiti, etc.). If we could look beyond our peasant-leaning views we would realize that for all intent and purpose Haiti and the Dominican Republic are in the same boat. Their problems are "our" problem; Haiti's people are "our" people.
We are intrinsically linked economically, historically and culturally. The issue at hand in Punta Cana is not about illegal "Piti" squatters threatening to obliterate the illusion of the Dominican Republic being a forward-looking tourist destination (and it is an illusion, let me tell you); but of socially outcast human beings trying to survive with dignity in a hostile environment.
Too bad that we (Dominicans) are so intellectually challenged as to be incapable of understanding this clear fact. Too bad we have not shed the peasant mentality that has kept us on the fringe of 21st century...Shame on US!!!
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 6:37 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:20 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta, Canada
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Amazing this is the last place one earth I expect a Dominican to be living... hmm Northern Alberta, not sure oil resonate in my mind.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 6:38 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Really??? We are scum because We care about our country, then what is left for Haitians like you that want to destroy the existence of our constitution and legacy from the 3 founding fathers.

It's easy for Haitians like you to point the finger to our sovereign country and downplay your massive and big poverty, diseases and backwardness export.

Main issue is that this group of business people are concerned about your people destroying, defecating and peeing all over their property since i seem myself your monkey behavior.

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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:40 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
I live near the largest oil deposit in the world(the Athabasca Formation)...Bigger than Saudi Arabia (and the Orinoco Tar Formation in Venezuela)...To my knowledge, I am the only Dominican in this area :-)
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 6:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti and Dominican Republic the same? What logic do you have! We are a Coup d'etat away? no we are not! Your analogy is ignorant to the highest degree Haiti has a carbon copy somewhere in Africa not the D.R.! Haiti has had 33 Coup d'etats the most in the world. Unless im wrong!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 6:47 PM
From: United States
the only other place on the internet wherein one can expect to find such reprehensible, loathsome, racist commentary, is on some dedicated white supremacist , nazi, skinhead , Aryan website. congrats, Rubi, Arkatype, Carbelk, et al, for having elevated yourselves into that rarefied pantheon of racist goons that we would expect to see in some backwater in mississippi, not hailing from the Dominican Republic. the irony of it all is that the inbreds from mississippi are saying the same things about you that you say about the Haitians. you see, guys, you only think you are white: the rednecks know you are not!
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 6:48 PM
From: United States
Dreadlocks:

Racism and defending our country are 2 separate issues.............
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 6:52 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:40 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta, Canada
I live near the largest oil deposit in the world(the Athabasca Formation)...Bigger than Saudi Arabia (and the Orinoco Tar Formation in Venezuela)...To my knowledge, I am the only Dominican in this area :-)
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I heard Kids working at Macdonald are getting paid $20 an hour. I guess you will be retiring easily after 5 years. I am confident there must be some mexicano there as well. I am from Toronto Canada before the housing boom in year 2003, I was close to move to Calgary, well nice talking to you neighbor.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 6:55 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,
(this is me speaking slowly, so you can understand me),
The Coup d'etat away analogy refers to the fragility of our so-called democracy. Despite the fact that the Juan Bosch's government of 1963 was the last democratically elected government to be overthrown, we must agree that the quality of our democratic institutions since are fragile to say the least.
Under these circumstances it only takes a Coup d'etat or a similar civil trauma to throw the country into chaos. Add to this the social, racial and economic problems bubbling under the surface; and you have a recipe for a failed state. Remember Yugoslavia after the death of Marshall Tito? Ivory Coast after Félix Houphouët-Boigny?
Can you honestly say that our Dominican Democratic Institutions (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) have matured to the level of 21st century democracies?
Can you honestly say that our racial, social and economic traditions are in par with Duarte, Sanchez y Mella dreams and aspirations? Can yo
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 6:58 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 6:48 PM
From: United States
Dreadlocks:

Racism and defending our country are 2 separate issues.............
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Rubi, can I congratulate you?, I want to emphasize that, since I was critical of your writing, keep it up.


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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 7:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The DR isn't anywhere near a "Failed State"" It just isn't moving forward fast enough and corruption and laziness are the main reasons. At least they have the sense to not let the main industry (or soon to be) destryed by an immigration problem.

They have to take control , but they need the outside labor to meet the demand.

Like the article says they have the furniture and the buses for the immigration department but haven't used them. So hopefully when tourists decide to go elsewhere becuase they hae a had a bad experience or or a friend said don't go there it sucks. They will wake up.. No one wants Malaria!
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
And Haiti is not a racist country? read a book!
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:02 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
Antonio,
Every nationality is represented here. If you are ever up this way, look me up...
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 7:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dread you got that right , And what box does a Domincan check on a form that asks?

Caucasian
African-American
Hispanic
Asian
Dominican ?
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:11 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,
I will try again, ssssssslowly:
At this point in our history (2008, in case you didn't know), the concept of nationality is almost irrelevant. For the countries sharing the island of Hispaniola this is more so. You know the tenet of the Chaos Theory: If a butterfly flaps its wings in Beijing, it rains in New York? Well, this is the world we live in. Knowing this, Haiti's problems are Dominican Republic's problems, and vice versa.
..and the issue of race, well that's just stupid. In today's world, you rise and fall by the content of your character; not by the color of your skin.
I agree there is a problem in Punta Cana; but it has nothing to do with race or nationality; but everything to do with economic opportunities.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jacirez your comparison is still idiotic, Haiti is not even a country it has not matured to the level of any nation in Latin America. Haiti was established in1804 and had it's first democratically voted in president in 1991 Jean Bertrand Aristide and they still lack any organization, you got the U.N. keeping the peace there. So please dont draw the same conclusion with D.R. you are seriously confused in this issue or you just love ignoring the facts!
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:16 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,

I REPEAT:
Can you honestly say that our Dominican Democratic Institutions (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) have matured to the level of 21st century democracies?
Can you honestly say that our racial, social and economic traditions are in par with Duarte, Sanchez y Mella dreams and aspirations? Can you?
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 7:18 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

thanks Mr. PHD with your uplifting comments, once again separate issues like race and business so you and your people can grow up.
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Im not going to answer your question because obviously you lack basic intelligence, you are comparing Haiti a failed state with a democracy Dominican Republic. Go ahead enjoy yourself!
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:24 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
JRRubirosa,

There is no such thing as a "racial" issue. It is ALL economics.
--The Nazi Holocaust was underpinned by the great economic depression of 1929 and Germany's war reparations
---The Genocide of Rwanda was preceded by the worst harvest in Rawanda/Burundi history
--The recent anti-immigration rants of the U.S Conservative media coincides with the lowest downturn in U.S GDP since the early eighties

I live in what is arguably the city with the highest per-capita in North America; you would be surprised at how well we all get along :-)
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 7:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I tell you there's a Domini-Nada , that is confused and out of touch.

This island has to deal with illiteracy , corruption and crime that would make a "First World" leader throw his hands up in the air and run a way.It holds it's own despite all it's problems.
Tourism is the DR's oil and they need to protect it..

Haiti has been dealt a bad hand and the culture and language seperate the two nations not the color. .
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 7:35 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:16 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,
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I take it that you are new in the forum, Iet me save you some of your precious time, there have been very bright articulate Dominicans that I have tried to educate, or have a logical conversation with Arka to no avail. Arka suffer from extreme self hate , have a twisted understanding of history, and most of all he's delusional all the time.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:37 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,
The following is not intended as "bragging"--however I feel it necessary to put all my previous comments in context:

I hold a degree in Computer Sciences; One In Engineering and one in Business (with a minor in History). oh, I almost forgot: I have an IQ of 187. My area of expertise is Computer Security (Firewalls, VPNs and Encryption), and Fire Protection Engineering. Basic intelligence in my field is a requirement...

I would be delighted to have an intelligent argument with you (or anyone), so long as you do not question my Heritage and my Intelligence.

Thank you.
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 7:39 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 7:18 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

thanks Mr. PHD with your uplifting comments, once again separate issues like race and business so you and your people can grow up.
"

Not a problem cuz, although i do not agree with you all the time, however I will take you over Arkatype any time jejeje
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jacirez and anyone interested read this link from 1804 - 1990 Haiti never had a legit president. All of them have been "Emperors for Life" or "Governors for Life" by force. http://www.haiti.org/president_of_haiti.htm
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:52 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,

For the love of god, man. Give it a rest, will ya?!!!
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 7:54 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
Lol.... take notice Arka, you will be pulverized

Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:37 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,
The following is not intended as "bragging"--however I feel it necessary to put all my previous comments in context:

I hold a degree in Computer Sciences; One In Engineering and one in Business (with a minor in History). oh, I almost forgot: I have an IQ of 187. My area of expertise is Computer Security (Firewalls, VPNs and Encryption), and Fire Protection Engineering. Basic intelligence in my field is a requirement...

I would be delighted to have an intelligent argument with you (or anyone), so long as you do not question my Heritage and my Intelligence
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"THE TRUTH HURTS" Im sorry to make your stomach churn, im ready to vomit too. Im going to pull an old Encyclopedia that i have stashed in one of my closets then im going to proceed and look for Haiti. And im going to vomit all over the haitian map! PEACE?
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 7:59 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
antonioj,

LMAO!!!

Just my subtle way of saying to arkatype : Dude, Shut the f*%$ off!!!
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 8:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"THE TRUTH HURTS" Basket Case!!!!!
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 8:06 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 7:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"THE TRUTH HURTS" Im sorry to make your stomach churn, im ready to vomit too. Im going to pull an old Encyclopedia that i have stashed in one of my closets then im going to proceed and look for Haiti. And im going to vomit all over the haitian map! PEACE?
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Very childish Arka, you are a typical cyberbully and a corward when confronted choose to run instead...

Here's a an Haitian saying anyone can translate this ? "dent pourri gin force su banane mu"
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 8:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Hmmm :

The Smartest Woman In The World?
The highest recorded IQ Score for a living female goes to Marilyn Vos Savant. She has an IQ Score of 186. Marilyn Vos Savant is a national columnist and author. Her syndicated column is called Ask Marilyn. She is an executive at Jarvik Heart, Inc.

http://www.kids-iq-tests.com/famous-people.html

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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Running from who? "YOU" you freaking derelict.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 8:14 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
arkatype,

I do not consider you a Bully. On the contrary, I welcome your views/rants; for it reaffirms my own superiority and cements the un-likelihood of your intellectual ascendancy. If it wasn't for people like you, people like me would have no one to lead or reign over.
I, unlike the rest of the forum, thank you. You make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 8:19 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
Jander,

Aside for being notoriously unreliable as a barometer of intelligence, there isn't a single, standardized IQ test. That said, Dr. Stephen Hopkins has a recorded IQ of 200.
The IQ test used at my Alma mater, placed an unusual emphasis on mathematics (having a background in Computer Sciences/Encryption) gave all my class an advantage. Coincidently, I scored the average for my class. IQ score means nothing (that was an inside joke)...
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 8:32 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
greenwave,

Did you forget to take your meds again?!
Dude, remember: Take the blue ones in the morning, the red ones before bed....
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 8:32 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Running from who? "YOU" you freaking derelict.
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You are running away from Jacirez, indeed that only confirm your inability to have an intelligent conversation.

(chicken , turkey)
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 8:34 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
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Written by: greenwave, 27 Aug 2008 8:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Get the illegal immigrants out of DR NOW! It is time to execute and/or poison these rats! GET THE HELL OUT!....
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Arkatype just morphed into Greenwave the loco, he does that all the time.... you are such a weirdo
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Written by: Jander, 27 Aug 2008 8:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thats alright you are a very articulate young man and I am sure my IQ is lower then anyones, but I have drive and determination .

If you are the same person ? who worked on this created the bridgeware (IPSEC, Webmin, Kernel Module, etc then you maybe at .01% level
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 8:39 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
Jacirez man enough respect .... you rule ... anyone want a piece of J....... all the cyberbullies are gone.

Jacirez the bully exterminator... hasta la vista baby
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 8:44 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
Jander,
Yes, that was me (this is me blushing)...
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Written by: arkatype, 27 Aug 2008 8:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonioj you see GREENWAVE is another person!
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Written by: chillaxin201, 27 Aug 2008 8:58 PM
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: SpinDoctor, 27 Aug 2008 11:48 AM
From: Canada
What a load of racist vitriol. The "hoteliers" would gladly hire them to build their hotels then complain once they have the property completed. Haitians wouldn't go there to begin with if Dominicans themselves would do the construction. Of course, that's beneath them and only suited for a Haitian. Catch22!

very true, soo many Dominicans asking for work and when they have work presented they don't want to do it.... they don't even sell stuff to the Haitians..... where is Leo in all this,
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Written by: chillaxin201, 27 Aug 2008 9:01 PM
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
"Veloz said the hotel industry recognizes the benefits of the Haitian workforce, including the fact that many speak English, French and Spanish. "Of course, in partly it’s our fault."

you should build in Haiti then
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 9:07 PM
From: United States
Chillaxin201:

Believe or not I agree with You 100 % regarding Dominicans in this issue but please remember too that Haitians have not right to invade us with a hidden agenda.
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Written by: jacirez, 27 Aug 2008 9:08 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
May I ask
Does anyone have A SOLUTION to this problem...? If so, let's hear it....
a) I propose to build low income houses to the eligible workers already in place
b) in conjunction with the Hoteliers enforce current immigration laws
c) as a look-ahead measure, create enforce a competitive guest-workers program specifically tailored to the Tourism industry
d) Provide a path to citizenship to those eligible
e) Work with the government of Haiti to create jobs in Haiti, so as to give an incentive for workers to stay home

Just my $0.02
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Written by: antonioj, 27 Aug 2008 9:29 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
Hey Jacirez are you familiar with the auto pact here in Canada, can something similar be implemented in the island. Can the Haitian gov insist a portion of the goods sold in Haiti from DR to have some kind of Haitian content or to have some kind office in Haiti.

I like your option below
e) Work with the government of Haiti to create jobs in Haiti, so as to give an incentive for workers to stay home

f)More free trade zone at the border town, Haitian will not have to venture uninvited to find job at other DR cities

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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 9:59 PM
From: United States
Jacyrez:

In perspective might be OK your proposition but remember that Haitian goverment is quite lazy and irresponsible in many terms, there is always something going on when issues arise in Dominican Republic and they deport haitians with legitimate right then you have all this animosity from mediocre ONG'S and Haiti to enforce made up information so Dominican Rep look foolish, racist and biased.

I see US, european countries and Canada exercising the same right that they want to take away from Dominican Republic, also if Haitians are so brave why no to push the US to apply the same inmigration policy as they do with the Cubans once they step on Florida and get political asylum on the spot.

Is always easy to point fingers at Dominican Republic all the time when Haitian goverment is to blame for not providing enough jobs, education and welfare system for its citizens, instead They push their people to cross the border and put the blame on Dominican Republic which is unfair.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Aug 2008 10:07 PM
From: United States
Also remember that We are not a first world country like US, Canada or europe so at the end same conditions that You asking for Haitians might be an illusion when Dominicans themselves live in poverty, strugle on a daily basis and have to bust their backs to achieve anything.

You asking for the hoteliers to build houses for your people when in real life I do know most of the Dominicans that work in Punta Cana and strugle to meet ends and You asking for so many concesions "In a way".

History is already written so there is also the case that We need to be respected since sometimes your people try to push the wrong buttons when living in Dominican Republic and want to touch sensitive issues that eventually stir up people's feelings.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 10:24 PM
From: United States
JRRubirosa opines that the Haitian government is "lazy and irresponsible sometimes". i end my post there!
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Written by: Jander, 28 Aug 2008 12:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
if the statistics are true then they say 80% of the contruction labor is done by Hatians.
This may be a bad example but I am searching for some common ground here.
The surgar cane industry sets up 'Bateys" for the workers. I know they are deplorable but at least it allows these folks a community they can call home..
The government can subsidize the building materials and the Haitians could build it.
Is this to far fetched or a simple solution.
It can be supervised and controlled .
What I see at every construction site is the workers live on site until it is finished then they are kicked out and move on to the next job if they are lucky.

But they don't get running water or electricity until those services are hooked up.
That pisses me off the way they are treated after busting their asses all day in the hot sun and they have to take a shower with a garden hose if they are lucky enough to have water.

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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 Aug 2008 1:04 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
to jac whatever from edmonchuk you choco jerk stay over hear with your horse puckey you probably are a fat choco jerk....dont be coming into my yard and talking your insufferable NDP junk.....Who cares you went to Canada because you could not get a green card you loser....freeze your testicles in the frozen socialist north and god save the queen.......One more thing Harper is going to win again and roll back all that commie stuff that Prince Pierre started............A bigoted peasant! ??????
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 Aug 2008 1:09 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
maybe this thread will go to 200 ...... I find these racial food fights disconcerting since I am neither Haitian or Dominican and consider meddling to be outside agitation just like when the Black Congressional Caucus put in their 2 cents to further their agenda.....Outsiders who kibitz on this theme without knowing how it feels to walk in the shoes of those actually involved including cultural ,historical,linguistic and sovereign issues are adding to this problem on both sides of the coin
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 Aug 2008 1:14 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
My original post at the beginning of the food fight said people gravitate to Punta Cana because it is an economic success with very little help from any of the present or previous governments ...free enterprise at work .....the realized dream of some very creative people.......In Punta Cana there’s another concept because there’s a vision of what needs to be done and they do it.," Veloz said, and asks” What has the government given to Punta Cana? Nothing. What Punta Cana has done, it has done alone, we are a sort of orphan, orphans of living parents, because the government is the pappy, and does nothing.".........this guy is absolutely right Rainieri and Co. delivered a dream with no government or very little government assistance.....They have no power outages.!....P.S. Bavaro is another story
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Written by: annakarina, 28 Aug 2008 5:43 AM
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jacirez,
nothing generates more comments than haitian-dominican issues. while highly-minded folks like u , cibaeno, lautaro etc.. are doing your best to bring the discussions on an intellectual level, try to understand and propose solutions to a real dilemma, folks who can't get over with their own frustations, adopt for a detour: the hatred of the haitians. why ? hilarious isn'it. because of things that have occured centuries before. childish and simplistic minds! do they have any notion of history ? the best way to deal with ignoramuses is to ignore them. they are not contributing to anything at all.
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