From: United States
Piece of trashy film with a Haitian agenda.
From: United States
but is it true? you see, Rubirosa, if you feel so passionately about the inaccuracies and "agenda", it is incumbent upon you to take action. and writing little one line sentences in a forum is a pointless exercise. i know nothing of the conditions, and i want both sides of the story. i can see their side. how about you giving yours?
From: United States
Main reason for this movie is to keep pushing your people's agenda against Dominican Republic "dreadlocks" plain and simple with my little sentences.
From: United States
i think you are having comprehension problems, Rubi. instead of just sounding off and feeling all wounded, what are YOU doing to change this situation? you do not have to accept things the way they are. some people make things happen. other people watch things happen. the third group sits and asks "what is happening?"be pro-active. do something. eternal whining is getting you nowhere. if you feel that the film is an injustice, take some active steps, however small they may be. symbolism is also action. get up, stand up, stand up for your rights (Bob Marley).
From: United States
Dreadlocks:
Working on it so I'm being proactive...
From: United States
We don't need to see it, to know that it will be a film bashing Dominican....
From: United States
not necessarily, Carlos. if the owners of the most unacceptable bateyes and cane processing plants are not Dominican, then it would not be dominican bashing. i have no idea who owns these sugar factories, but posters in this column suggest that they are mainly foreigners. surely, the film will make reference to it. and, contrary to your strategy, i would see the film, if i were you. what purpose is served by petulantly staying away? how will you formulate an opinion of it? by listening to another person's viewpoint? would you not like to at least see if there is any truth to it, and if you see things which do not sit well with your conscience? you might be surprised by it, so, do yourself a favor and at least see it before passing judgement.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread this film has already been discredited by everyone except people like Belial and yourself...and Igor
From: United States
no , Goulet, your post should read "this movie has already been discredited by everyone who agrees with me". for a guy who claims to be saddened by the plight of children, i am a little unsettled by your dismissive approach to a movie documenting 12 year olds cutting cane. i do not know what to make of you. might you explain the grounds upon which the movie has been discredited? you know me, GC; Mr Facts.......
From: United States
by the way, Goulet, have you seen the film? just asking.
From: United States
the majority of sugar cane fields in d.r are own or used to be own by the vicini family since the early 1900,
From: United States
yes, marinos, but i do not know the nationality. do you know where they hail from?
From: United States
Why don't these companies just buy machines that would replace the haitian work population? that way we wouldn't have such problems, and would save millions on legal problems and wages. It would also create less of a gateway for illegal immigration to the DR and create higher paying jobs for Dominicans. They're doing it in Brazil and other nations with sugar cane production and it seems to be work well. Hopefully the DR will soon follow.
From: United States
thank you , marinos. the name does sound italian. and, sleepyhollow, they do not mechanise, because they can still get slave price labor. besides, who wants to fix machines when they break? haitian breaks a leg, get another. machine breaks a blade, you wait a month for a new part. besides, machines run on diesel fuel; haitians run on a platano and a glass of water per day. its all economics, though i know you understand it.
Written by: BASTA, 14 Sep 2008 5:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
No need to see the movie the facts are the facts - otherwise know as slavery
Written by: jacirez, 14 Sep 2008 5:40 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
Fellas,
Not so fast. I was born and raised in the D.R (in the East) and I witnessed firsthand the Prejudice, Discrimination and downright Hostility towards Haitian Migrants...Speaking fro experience, this movie is not too far from the truth...
From: United States
Jacirez, i do not think that you will be getting a christmas card from the haiti hater crowd this year. as we speak, Rubirosa, carbelk, and the other usual suspects, are crossing you off the list.
From: United States
ah yes, sir. that it will do.
Written by: jacirez, 14 Sep 2008 5:47 PM
From: Canada, Northern Alberta
It's all good...The truth shall set me free...
From: United States
the Fanjuls, who produce 10 million tons of sugar a year here and abroad, or of the Big Sugar family the Vicinis. The Fanjuls, who own a controlling interest in Domino Sugar, boast they produce two of every three spoonfuls of sugar consumed in the United States. Fanjul family representatives have responded in the past that the conditions shown in Serrano's film have since improved.
From: United States
well if they suggest that the conditions have improved since the film was shot, it stands to logic that the film has a ring of truth. otherwise , they would have denied that the conditions existed. right, GC?
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Sep 2008 7:54 PM
From: Brazil
While I agree with the message of the movie, it bothers me a lot that these people (the people producing these sugar based films) haven't uttered a single syllable about the real, underlying problem of this island: the dreadful socioeconomic conditions prevailing on Haiti, which are the main reason moving these bateyeros to sell themselves off into slavery (very literally, if I might I add). Also, they seem to ignore that the sugar industry is not the main employer of haitian inmigrants anymore, this place being occupied by the construction sector, which, if I may add, has even worse working conditions than the sugar factories. If these people want to see a solution to this problem they should press their countries into doing a more serious work into the rebuilding of Haiti, because the only thing that they are doing with these movies is implying that Haiti's problems should be solved at the DR's expense, a thing which, believe me, would be a worse remedy than the illness itself.
From: United States
Does the Haitian goverment would treat them better or I guess is easy for Haitians to place Dominican Republic as the weakest link. Why not asking for answers in their real country
and find out why Haiti and all the goverments that it had never did or will do anyting positive
for their own citizens, instead they will promote illegal inmigration and put the burden and responsabilities on Dominican Republic and at the end We will get blamed for any little issues along the way and Haitians will come clean to the international community opinion.
Since haitians will only get by with these foreing goverments making false statements, create non existent inmigration and diplomatic situations to fuse foreign countries actions to retaliate against a 3rd world country like Dominican Republic, on the other side of the token same european countries along with the US are enforcing tough inmigrations laws but don't want Dominicans to enforce theirs and make others abide by the rules in place.
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: gouletcolonial, 14 Sep 2008 3:07 PM
From: Canada
Dread this film has already been discredited by everyone except people like Belial and yourself...
Actually, this movie has been out for some time, this movie and another called the Price of Sugar have been Black Balled by the Large Sugar corporations
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Lautaro you are correct the conditions of the Vicini Bateyes who were the targets of this film are nothing like they are portrayed in this film ....which is unfair and biased....this is a typical hatchet job by people with an agenda....in association with amnesty international should be a red flag.....these guys with BCC create more problems than they solve
From: United States
Goulet, how much time have you spent on one of the Vicini bateyes? just asking. and on what authority do you have it that the black congressional caucus has anything to do with this film? do you just say anything which pops up in your head? you have to edit your thoughts sometimes.
From: United States
as usual, Mr Lautaro, your analysis has serious merit. the conditions are the same product as we see within the mexican illegals who are exploited and brutalised in the USA. the blame lies squarely with the mexican government, which presides over a state so unequal that it has more billionaires per capita than the USA, while the preponderant majority of the people live in abject poverty. then people wonder why these countries spawn so many radical revolutionary types. hell, if the political directorate of the DR acted in good faith to provide a just society here, in which people earned a living wage, New York would not be home to almost one million dominicans (legal and illegal combined). so, in most cases, the problem starts at home.
From: United States
Dreadlocks:
Will the Haitian goverment care more for these poor individuals or is easy to send them to Dominican Republic and the same goverment clean their hands like Poncious pilate did
it with Jesus.
From: United States
Rubi, if you read my post you will see where i place the blame squarely at the feet of the haitian government. posters say that the haitian government should help the DR government to stop illegal immigration to the DR. that is like living in fantasyland. why should they? they do not want the problem of having to improve socio-economic conditions in haiti. that is work! heck, let them go to the DR and be a problem there.! we want to drink our napoleon brandy and eat our chateaubriand in peace.
Written by: yumnuk3, 14 Sep 2008 9:33 PM
From: United States, New York City
does the film mention the parents role in there children suffering.?
From: United States
a brilliant question. but it is a cycle of poverty which importunes people to do things we will never understand. so-called "normal " people sit and marvel at things others do, without considering the demons which cause these outcomes. to my mind, the problems can still be laid at the doors of the oppressors and exploiters in both the country of birth and host country of these unfortunates.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread Aaron who founded this project stays with me when he comes to the DR he has four orphanages in Haiti ...
http://www.plantingpeace.org/deworm.php ...and as we speak..I have two photo journalists from Italy staying with me now ...they have just returned from Haiti tonite ...this is their channel on .....
http://www.youtube.com/liveinslums ....Aaron has appearred on Larry king many times
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Written by: yumnuk3, 14 Sep 2008 10:20 PM
From: United States, New York City
Dread Excellent observations You must be a man of excellent qualities to possess such penetrating wisdom.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: gouletcolonial, 14 Sep 2008 10:04 PM
From: Canada
Dread Aaron who founded this project stays with me when he comes to the DR he has four orphanages in Haiti ...
http://www.plantingpeace.org/deworm.php ...and as we speak..I have two photo journalists from Italy staying with me now ...they have just returned from Haiti tonite ...this is their channel on .....
http://www.youtube.com/liveinslums ....Aaron has appearred on Larry king many times
.... you make no sense ........ you are for the RIGHT and they don't care about anyone but them selves.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
chill when you get older you will understand I know you will,,,,,what you just said is untrue and unfair and I know you are a fair person...It is your sense of fairness that makes you see things the way you do and what makes you want to help people...but you have to be more open minded
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
The following is a documentary about big sugar called “Big Sugar”
Look it up on google video ok,…….
Yours truly Michael Knight
<embed id="VideoPlayback" src="
http://video.google.com/googlepla....65399&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"> </embed>
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: gouletcolonial, 14 Sep 2008 10:36 PM
From: Canada
chill when you get older you will understand I know you will,,,,,what you just said is untrue and unfair and I know you are a fair person...It is your sense of fairness that makes you see things the way you do and what makes you want to help people...but you have to be more open minded
I think sometimes you talk this RIGHT crap so that more people head Left
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
For one man to be rich millions must be poor. For if we all had the same they would be no rich men but just men. For instance if we had universal education then no one would be around to do the dirty work, you know what I mean? Everyone would be educate and would want to have a high end paying job. Thou, I doubt it!!! You still have the lazy, the bums and the drug addicts to do the dirty work. And you have those of lower intelligence “like the special education students” they are not retards but they can not learn as much or as fast as everyone else. The United States understands this; this is why they keep the Haitians oppressed and the Dominicans un- educated!!!!!!! In total the United States has invaded the island of Hispaniola more then 20 times…
From: United States
yumnuk, thank you for your complimentarty remarks. maybe a little over the top in referring to me, but i try to be objective.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
He was blowing smoke big time ...soon he will ask you for a loan
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread did you meet my friend Aaron?... would you like me to put you in touch so you can help? or call me if you want to talk to the Italiian journalists who returned from Haiti last night you have my number....they are leaving for Italy today but they are coming back to make a film that is not with a hidden agenda...INSIDE HAITI
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Friends,
who has seen this movie? moreover, who has been to at least one batey? If you haven't, I would admonish go do your own research. If you're in the Capital, go visit Palmeral (near Pantoja) and see how PEOPLE live there. PEOPLE, not artificial labeled people, but PEOPLE, and then ask yourself if people should live in better conditions. PEOPLE are hurting, what should we care where they were born. We need to help PEOPLE.
Reactionary people like GC and Ruby lack empathy and are unable to analyze a complex situation. They adopt simple thoughts that paint the world "good" and "bad" and guess what, they're always part of the "good." People who think they are always in the "right" are usually trying to hide something and confuse people. Please reject GC and Ruby. Please label GC and Ruby for what they are reactionary BIGOTS.
From: United States
GC, i am willing to talk with anyone you indicate. better yet, if you can point me to an agency which allows me to do my two cents worth to help, then i would be appreciative. but you still have not answered my questions; did you see the fim, and have you spent time on a batey?
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Baldy a reactionary Bigot ...How so?
From: United States
yes you have done what? seen the film, or spent time on a batey? what is your opinion of life on a batey? is it as unbearable and inhuman as it is portrayed? how long would you last on one, do you think? i will open the links. but tell me, GC, do you find bateyes as acceptable living conditions? would you advocate them to your family members as an acceptable option for a lifestyle?
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread made many visits to bateyes and work with people who come here to help with organizations who do not make biased and BIGOTED movies if you opened the links you would see Dread...
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
That goes for you to Baldy ...this movie is junk and is an unfair portrayal of Dominican society ....you do not have to go to a Haitian Bateye to discover poverty and misery in this country the DR produces enough of its own....It is very easy to make an unsympathetic film on this subject for a bunch of wealthy middle class Americans and Europeans who want to use their yardstick to judge ...Screw them
From: United States
Why They don't make a movie about poor Dominicans living in misery too, this is something done to retaliate and harm Dominican Rep. image
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Sep 2008 9:18 AM
From: Brazil
I've gone to Palavé (Palais Bel), baldoria, and while I recognize that they live on inhuman conditions, believe me, the haitian inmigrants working on the construction projects live in WORSE conditions than those bateyeros, if that's even possible. If these film producers are going to represent the haitian plight on the DR, they'd do a better job if they showed the whole picture and not some pieces of it. First, the bateyeros represent only a small percentage of the haitian workforce currently on the DR, because the privatization of the sugar factories on 1999 left a lot of the bateyeros unemployed, so they had to migrate to the cities in order to make a living. Secondly, as I stated earlier, why don't they utter a single syllable about improving conditions on the source, that is, on improving conditions on the haitian mainland itself? If the source of their worry is the treatment of the haitian children, why don't they denounce the existence of child slavery in Haiti (restavek)? Cont.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Sep 2008 9:23 AM
From: Brazil
(cont...), which is way worse than what the bateyeros children have to endure, because the bateyeros at least have the chance to work for a living (as miserly as this wage is) and of leaving the batey if the conditions don't suit them, the restaveks, on the other hand, are phisically bound to the household that they serve, have to work for free, and what is worse, they have to endure being verbally abused and, on the worse of cases, they have to endure being hit or raped. Again, why do they focus on the DR, when there's a country which requires a more urgent attention next door?
From: United States
GC, you know me better than that. i am the original pitbull. i do not let go until i am done. for the Nth time, have you seen the movie? you cannot sidetrack me forever; you know how i am.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Yes dread are you a dullard....did you open the links about my friends and what they do IN that is IN Haiti not shit disturbing in the DR
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Pitbull another oinker MCP misogynist reference to my Beloved Sarah.....dont let me catch you wearing the lipstick ...Not that there is anything wrong with that
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Lautero, I agree... The PEOPLE working in the contrustion industry live in horrible conditions as well.
Bateyes are homes to PEOPLE from born in both the DR and Haiti. these artificial distinctions do not improve or worsen the horrid conditions that PEOPLE in bateyes live in.
GC how are you a bigot? I think your comments speak for themselves. You are a bigot and a bully, and I hope that you develop the ability to empathize with the most vulnerable populations so that you can see how your comments can be considered as such. Go volunteer with MUDHA or MUSHTA, even if just for a day or two, and see how people live in Bateyes. Go talk to people and see why they are there.
It's such a horrible myth that people can pull themselves up by their boot straps, spcially when people systematically reward whites and discriminate against non-whites. Go see, go talk... we learn more from talking to people than from books or films.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Sep 2008 10:18 AM
From: Brazil
What does MUSHTA stand for, baldy? By the way, thanks for the correction. I get so worked up by these issues that I tend to forget that, at the end of the day, we're all human beings. But that doesn't mean that my objections don't have some merit. After all, if they're so sensitive about the children, why they don't do something about the restaveks?
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Baldy you know nothing open the links above in my other posts before you shoot your fat mouth off did you open the links about my friends and what they do IN that is IN Haiti not shit disturbing in the DR
Written by: bernies, 15 Sep 2008 11:45 AM
From: United States, falls church va
the haitin should all burn in hell we don't need them in my beloved dominican republic.
if they don't like it the way they are being treat it then go back to your country.
I don't see dominican going around and taking the european union or the usa to the U.N for misstreatment. yeah but the f haitins can take us in front of that chamber for such acts.
if you are not welcome in a nation you leave and that's the end of it.
From: United States
Latest number in DR (100) Haitian children born daily, nobody cares but Dominican Republic also I see Zero(0) responsability from Haitians, Haiti and the Dominican PLD (Leonelcito) goverment to control this crazy boom.
All this is done without planning and in a very crazy way since at the end poverty is going to get worse and things have to be organized sooner or later.
Written by: yumnuk3, 15 Sep 2008 1:35 PM
From: United States, New York City
the biased doudle standard towards poor Dominicans.?
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
I'm more astonish at your points GC. Knowing people who do such deeds as Aaron, how can you make the points you do? You're such a simpleton if you think if by hanging out w/ aid workers from the north makes you an aid provider yourself.
Start fighting discrimination and stereotype. Provide asylum to the needy, not to affluent aid workers from the north. YOU go work with PEOPLE in need, and maybe you'll understand that the differences between a Haitian, Dominican, Canadian, Colombia, Mozambecan, Japanese, are artificial.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Sep 2008 2:04 PM
From: Brazil
GC, could you please tell us your reasons for being a GOP? given that you're hanging out with aid workers, it's an astonishing thing in itself that they haven't made you defect from that elitist party.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Baldy not always but today you are an imbecile.....I have two adopted children of colour and yes I think I help but never enough...you are a weanie leftie whiner and want to have shiny empty suit as next American President ....I DO NOT....Aaron is a person who lives in a homeless shelter that he helps support in Florida .....affluent aid worker baldy you are a Putz.... ...
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....icine-to-de-worm-Haitian-childrenFrom: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Homeless man dubbed Saint Aaron by village voice media raises 1.5 million treatments of de-worming medication for Haiti ...this is the affluent aid worker you refer to big mouth baldy you Putz arent you ashamed baldy
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
I've never claimed to be anything, so I may be a putz and an imbecile as you say, and even a weanie leftie weiner (redundent), but you'll never see me spewing hatred speech or insulting others, as you do, you filthy filthy minded person - that's not an insult, that's the truth many of us have gatehered from your posts. Or am I the first to bring up these points?
I'm open minded enough to say when I was wrong- about aaron being a wealthy aid worker - but you, you are the type of person who sees one reality and EVERYONE else is wrong. Your consistency is admirable, but your standpoint is deplorable. So why don't you do us a big favor and just switch to another blog. Life was so much better without you here. You right-wing-oppressor!
And as far as having adopted children, again very admirable. But instead of supporting a system that oppresses and persecutes the most vulnerable, why not fight to create a better system that will give ALL kids an equal chance?
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
a better system which I suppose for you would be fidel or nutty hugo ....in that case I am glad to be as you say a right-wing-oppressor!
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Sep 2008 3:00 PM
From: Brazil
Not necessarily, GC. He may be referring to something akin the systems prevailing on the Scandinavian countries, where free markets are regulated to serve social functions.
From: United States
GC, there are alternatives in the middle somewhere. the world is not made up simply of right wing capitalists and left wing communists. there are nuances, and dimensions, somehere in the middle; shadings, if you will. people should strive to find a balance somewhere in the shaded areas, and not rivet themselves to dogmatic, extreme positions. it cannot possibly be healthy!
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
you see GC, there in lies your problem. You can, or choose to, only see the extremes. Try to be more nuanced. And I glad that you admit you're a right-wing-oppressor. Now simply go back to Canada, and the DR can be a better place...
cheers,
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Baldy you are just lashing out because Obamas poll numbers sux.....how pathetic
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Baldy gets depressed about Obamas poll numbers spends the day cracking my stones give me a break....Lautaro do you remember Scandiviking he just spent a week with me ...He is from Scandinavia and a super nice guy ...He is fed up with a the free loaders taking advantage of their Social welfare programs...he said the country is filling up with desert people and sucking on their very generous social programs...paid for with oil and shipping
Written by: josean, 15 Sep 2008 5:41 PM
From: United States
There are very effective psycho theraputic medications for this condition.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
josean are you posting under two names is that you in Euromax
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
From: United States
gouletcolonial:
My respect for you and gratitude too, You being 100% Canadian and also politically and diplomatic correct debating with a group that just promote destruction, negative ideas and
biased agenda against anything positive "Made in Dominican Republic".
GC "Way to go" against a bunch of decrepit individuals...............................
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Stop waterboarding us with that horseshit chill no body cares NOOOObooody
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Imperialist mafia ........ your going to need a 50 cal. sniper rifle
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Written by: gouletcolonial, 15 Sep 2008 8:19 PM
From: Canada
Stop waterboarding us with that horseshit chill no body cares NOOOObooody
yes.. they do .. Oh! how I love it when your wrong ... and that is all the time
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
thanks rubi check out the forum I would love to see your input on the Porfirio Rubirosa question...good or bad for DR image check it out on the forum
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
Porfirio Rubirosa........ forget him !!!! what about DR being known for sex tourism.. all the girls selling there bodies? what about that!!!
Rubi lived his life, you can't say the same !!!!!!!! LOSER
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
"Made in Dominican Republic" CUT BY HAITIANS AND profited by Americans
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
chill it is time for your nappy ...tomorrow is another day
From: United States
GC:
It's so funny that you prove yourself as a human being and always hitting the target on the middle,
don't get the point why the same haitians that demonize Dominicans and debate BS against you don't go the extra mile the way you do.
Many people ask for help for haiti the bad side is that what they need is investment in the country and also the country is falling apart since the soil is not able to sustain any type of agriculture whatsoever and on the sea there is not seafood availability since they already destroy every posible fishing alternative.
Jacques Cousteau made a documentary film regarding this messed up issue, either France takes care of them or it will be a never ending chaotic situation, I truly believe that haitians should be a colony of France and maybe they wouldn't had all these frustrating issues.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
you are too kind Rubi thanks
From: United States
birds of a feather, they say.
From: United States
Dread are you naive or just plain stupid... I wonder. Doesn't matter whose at fault, The DOMINCAN REPUBLIC will be BLAMED......
From: United States
Carlos, is idiocy a sport for you ? where did i try to assign blame? what does it matter if you get blamed, as long as the evidence suggests otherwise? i am merely asking for objectivity, some thing which is foreign to you. unlike you, i am not an emotionalist. i reason with logic, sequences and connected propositons. you ramble incoherently, saying nothing meaningful in the end. so, as to whether i am the stupid one , or you, i vote for you.
Written by: Trujillo, 16 Sep 2008 2:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Send them all back to their country and modernize/mechanize our agriculture. That way they don't have to worry about us "evil dominicans" as much. They blame us of slavery, genocide, racism, and belive it or not, I've even heard we eat haitian babies. Well, if you hate us so much, then f**k off and go back to your utopia.
From: United States Virgin Islands
Although that the gesture by President Leonel last week giving humanitarian aid to Haiti due to the hurricanes was kind; let us use our political mind. I believe that the gesture achieved a political strategy goal that no one seem to think about (including President Preval of Haiti). The primary goal of the "good faith gesture"was to stop a flood of black and poor Haitians crossing the border into the Dominican Republic. There are a million Haitians living in DR. The population of DR is about 10 million. That means 10% of the population is comprised of Haitians. The rich Dominicans feel that there are more than enough Haitians to work the land and in construction at a cheap rate. They do not want any more Haitians at this time. As a matter of fact they only wanted about 300,000 male workers to work in the sugar cane industry and in construction. They never wanted whole families to live there.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
It is to bad we cannot send them to the USVI then they would find out what it is like to be treated badly by the locals....help and money from the Federal Government plenty of that but the scorn of the locals would be difficult for them to understand
From: United States Virgin Islands
Remember that Dominicans always wanted to be white. They want to be like the rest of Latin America (majority caucasian). DR is the only latin american country with a majority black/mix population. I always said this and it is the truth; if Haitians were white but poor, the Dominicans would welcome them with hug,kisses, and flowers while crossing the border. One of the reasons that DR progressed is because Trujillo welcomed and gave incentives to Europeans and Jews after World War 2 to come and live in DR. Trujillo was not thinking about DR progressing at the time. He wanted to whiten DR. He gave orders to slaughter 30,000 Haitians living near the border in 1937. Ironically, Trujillo grandmother was Haitian. He used to put on white mascara to hide his traits of blackness. But let us be real. I blame the Haitian government 100% for the mistreatment of Haitians in DR. If the Haitian government had their act together, those workers in DR would be making Haiti a better place.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Docpeters interesting post ....but the welcoming of outsiders be they european or the cocolos of PR and down island goes back much further than Trujillo...Dominicans welcomed anyone arabic euros whatever they lived in Paranoia of the return of the Haitan menace .The Dr looked outward and Haiti because of its paranoia{and rightfully so] of the Imperial powers of Europe looked inward....the die was cast...now a humanitarian disaster exists....It can be laid at the feet of the Nations of Europe and their racism and shortsightedness ..the USA has stumbled as well but not like the Europeans
From: United States Virgin Islands
Wow, very good point Gouletcolonial. I never thought about the fact that Haiti has been trying to protect themselves from imperial nations. Especially early, after their independence in fear of the imperialists coming back to enslave them. Nowadays, there is no need for slavery. Although, I believe that there is unforced slavery at sugar cane plantations in DR. In DR, foreigners control the majority of the corporations and industries but they do not control the entire island. There are policies favoring the elites in DR but in general most of the poor Dominicans at least can eat. The infrastructure is better than Haiti for sure. I really believe it would be in the best interest of Haiti as whole that foreigners would be invited to invest.
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
it calls for completely new and radical altruistic ideas
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
In 1960 Edward R Murrow made a TV documentary called Harvest Of Shame it is the original docu about exploitation of migrant and poor agricultural workers ....It changed America...This current film is heavy handed and biased and paints the picture with no nuances to me its motives are suspect
Written by: josean, 16 Sep 2008 5:43 PM
From: United States
I am shocked, shocked you would use the work of a "commie" journalist when convenient to make your point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_R._Murrow"A pioneer of television news broadcasting, Murrow produced a series of TV news reports that helped lead to the censure of Senator Joseph McCarthy."
Senator Joseph McCarthy one of your heroes I am sure!
Oh, by the way "good night and good luck!"
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Sep 2008 8:24 PM
From: Brazil
Well, mr. Peters, you can´t exactly blame Leonel for adopting that strategy, after all, the cake isn´t too big on this side of the fence either. To let in more hungry people would spell disaster for the country in the long run, because, if you haven´t noticed, the country hasn´t recovered entirely yet from the 2003 banking crisis, and, with the US stepping up their defense of the Puerto Rican coasts, things could get out of hand pretty easily, with the inmigrants and our own native poor population competing for the few scraps of the cake that the elites deem to let fall from time to time. In short, reducing the problem to a racial issue, as you and the Congressional Black Caucus are currently doing, is an exercise in self delusion which won´t help in the search of an acceptable solution to this tragic issue. In my opinion, Leonel is doing the right thing by doing what the international community should have done a long time ago: to help the haitians find solutions on their own soil.
From: United States
Hey DREAD... Did you say Reason and Logic?... Havent you notice that There is smear campaign taken by the West that DR is this slave ground for haitian... You know and I know that's not true. But still we are accused of it... Or haven't you notice. This film furthers that goal... Sorry buddy but your intellect makes you Naive and Weak !!!
You talk of evidence... What more evidence do you want that DR is Heaven for Haitians.... Hell, the country is practically theirs... They roam our street and cross our border "Willingly" and all we do is talk about it. AND STILL WE ARE ACCUSED!!!
I bet you're one of those intellectual who smoke CRACK!!!
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
josean I called him "Tailgunner Joe "....I was a little kid but distinctly remember the hearings on television in the afternoons..Likewise the Kefauver hearings a few years later....Bobby Kennedy [ the good Kennedy] worked for him.....He.and the Kennedys were great friends of Joe Mcarthy until they like everybody else dumped him...It no longer exists I am sure but I once dated a young lady who was a producer for CBS who took me to the smoking room at CBS news studios at west 57th it was named after Murrow with a plaque.He was a chain smoker who died of lung cancer ...How ironic
From: United States
poor, sad Carlos. his methodology for ventilating an issue is to apply ignorance. he believes that he is going to disagree with the premise of a film, so what does he suggest? boycott it! do not see it, so you can make an informed judgement. discuss the merits from a point where you have no knowledge of the contents. why am i not surprised? you really have some backhanded idea of academic inquiry. i would rather be smoking crack than confining myself to a world of supreme ignorance. you think learning is going to hurt you, Carlos? on the contrary..it will set you free.
From: United States
you always resort to that kind of talking when you give up. You have call me smart in the past, back when our ideas were similar, now am ignorant because i believe, see, and know different...
WHAT A LOSER!!!
From: Afghanistan, BAF
Pardon me for being a realist BUT if the conditions were SO bad what keeps the Haiians coming ? If they are willing to provide a service at a given wage why would the employer pay more ? They could always go home to their country and plant food so they wouldn't be starving all the time. It's called a market economy for a reason , what shoud the "evil" corparations pay the illiterate unskilled labor force ? 12 dollars a day ? 100 ? how about a 401K and health benefits, with Dominican sugar being the same price as cocaine under those circumstances I beleive the world will buy it's sugar from some one else...
From: Malta, Malta Goya, La marca del momento esta pa ti
"Made in Dominican Republic" CUT BY HAITIANS AND profited by Americans
From: United States
you see Carlos, you have moments when you make intelligent posts. the problem you have is when you allow emotion to overpower reason. if you would only detach yourself from visceral, instinctive anger, you would allow yourself to make smart remarks. and what are you talikng about when you say "give up"? you ever seen me give up?
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
this is true Carlito what the Dreaded One says ....... it took him years and many ass kickings to learn that wisdom himself..".do not let.emotion to overpower reason " Now he is known as a pit bull ....with or without lipstick....not that there is anything wrong with that
From: United States
DREAD you're a like Liberal in the Dark ages... You're too soft bro!!! these people need to be treated the way they treat themselves and their country so that our country doesn't suffer the same fate. Deep down i like you, but again, you're liberal and DR can't afford it.
GC: Shut Up
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
touchy touchy
Written by: modpaz, 23 Sep 2008 8:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic
FOR THOSE ON THE DARK, the Dominicane Sugar Cain feild's are not managed or owned by the dominican government. we are talking of millions of acres of sugar cane. this company is own by european american own, and sugar shipped world wide like to M&M, STARBUCKS, NESTLE EXCT. these are big wealthy and powerful people why not go strate to the source and stope pointing fingers.
Working on it so I'm being proactive...
Not so fast. I was born and raised in the D.R (in the East) and I witnessed firsthand the Prejudice, Discrimination and downright Hostility towards Haitian Migrants...Speaking fro experience, this movie is not too far from the truth...
and find out why Haiti and all the goverments that it had never did or will do anyting positive
for their own citizens, instead they will promote illegal inmigration and put the burden and responsabilities on Dominican Republic and at the end We will get blamed for any little issues along the way and Haitians will come clean to the international community opinion.
Since haitians will only get by with these foreing goverments making false statements, create non existent inmigration and diplomatic situations to fuse foreign countries actions to retaliate against a 3rd world country like Dominican Republic, on the other side of the token same european countries along with the US are enforcing tough inmigrations laws but don't want Dominicans to enforce theirs and make others abide by the rules in place.
From: Canada
Dread this film has already been discredited by everyone except people like Belial and yourself...
Actually, this movie has been out for some time, this movie and another called the Price of Sugar have been Black Balled by the Large Sugar corporations
Will the Haitian goverment care more for these poor individuals or is easy to send them to Dominican Republic and the same goverment clean their hands like Poncious pilate did
it with Jesus.
From: Canada
Dread Aaron who founded this project stays with me when he comes to the DR he has four orphanages in Haiti ... http://www.plantingpeace.org/deworm.php ...and as we speak..I have two photo journalists from Italy staying with me now ...they have just returned from Haiti tonite ...this is their channel on .....http://www.youtube.com/liveinslums ....Aaron has appearred on Larry king many times
.... you make no sense ........ you are for the RIGHT and they don't care about anyone but them selves.
Look it up on google video ok,…….
Yours truly Michael Knight
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From: Canada
chill when you get older you will understand I know you will,,,,,what you just said is untrue and unfair and I know you are a fair person...It is your sense of fairness that makes you see things the way you do and what makes you want to help people...but you have to be more open minded
I think sometimes you talk this RIGHT crap so that more people head Left
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31....cp=2&sq=fanjuls%20&st=cse
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/full....cp=3&sq=fanjuls%20&st=cse
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21....cp=4&sq=fanjuls%20&st=cse
They articles above are all about the FANJUL Brothers, they own Central Romana in Dominican Republic….. They own the Whole Province, they have more sugar then even the Vicini Family or Group and more then what Trujillo ever had . Read the articles and come to your own conclusions…
who has seen this movie? moreover, who has been to at least one batey? If you haven't, I would admonish go do your own research. If you're in the Capital, go visit Palmeral (near Pantoja) and see how PEOPLE live there. PEOPLE, not artificial labeled people, but PEOPLE, and then ask yourself if people should live in better conditions. PEOPLE are hurting, what should we care where they were born. We need to help PEOPLE.
Reactionary people like GC and Ruby lack empathy and are unable to analyze a complex situation. They adopt simple thoughts that paint the world "good" and "bad" and guess what, they're always part of the "good." People who think they are always in the "right" are usually trying to hide something and confuse people. Please reject GC and Ruby. Please label GC and Ruby for what they are reactionary BIGOTS.
Bateyes are homes to PEOPLE from born in both the DR and Haiti. these artificial distinctions do not improve or worsen the horrid conditions that PEOPLE in bateyes live in.
GC how are you a bigot? I think your comments speak for themselves. You are a bigot and a bully, and I hope that you develop the ability to empathize with the most vulnerable populations so that you can see how your comments can be considered as such. Go volunteer with MUDHA or MUSHTA, even if just for a day or two, and see how people live in Bateyes. Go talk to people and see why they are there.
It's such a horrible myth that people can pull themselves up by their boot straps, spcially when people systematically reward whites and discriminate against non-whites. Go see, go talk... we learn more from talking to people than from books or films.
if they don't like it the way they are being treat it then go back to your country.
I don't see dominican going around and taking the european union or the usa to the U.N for misstreatment. yeah but the f haitins can take us in front of that chamber for such acts.
if you are not welcome in a nation you leave and that's the end of it.
All this is done without planning and in a very crazy way since at the end poverty is going to get worse and things have to be organized sooner or later.
Start fighting discrimination and stereotype. Provide asylum to the needy, not to affluent aid workers from the north. YOU go work with PEOPLE in need, and maybe you'll understand that the differences between a Haitian, Dominican, Canadian, Colombia, Mozambecan, Japanese, are artificial.
I'm open minded enough to say when I was wrong- about aaron being a wealthy aid worker - but you, you are the type of person who sees one reality and EVERYONE else is wrong. Your consistency is admirable, but your standpoint is deplorable. So why don't you do us a big favor and just switch to another blog. Life was so much better without you here. You right-wing-oppressor!
And as far as having adopted children, again very admirable. But instead of supporting a system that oppresses and persecutes the most vulnerable, why not fight to create a better system that will give ALL kids an equal chance?
cheers,
http://video.google.com/googlepla....79865399&hl=en&fs=true%22
My respect for you and gratitude too, You being 100% Canadian and also politically and diplomatic correct debating with a group that just promote destruction, negative ideas and
biased agenda against anything positive "Made in Dominican Republic".
GC "Way to go" against a bunch of decrepit individuals...............................
From: Canada
Stop waterboarding us with that horseshit chill no body cares NOOOObooody
yes.. they do .. Oh! how I love it when your wrong ... and that is all the time
Rubi lived his life, you can't say the same !!!!!!!! LOSER
It's so funny that you prove yourself as a human being and always hitting the target on the middle,
don't get the point why the same haitians that demonize Dominicans and debate BS against you don't go the extra mile the way you do.
Many people ask for help for haiti the bad side is that what they need is investment in the country and also the country is falling apart since the soil is not able to sustain any type of agriculture whatsoever and on the sea there is not seafood availability since they already destroy every posible fishing alternative.
Jacques Cousteau made a documentary film regarding this messed up issue, either France takes care of them or it will be a never ending chaotic situation, I truly believe that haitians should be a colony of France and maybe they wouldn't had all these frustrating issues.
Dread are you naive or just plain stupid... I wonder. Doesn't matter whose at fault, The DOMINCAN REPUBLIC will be BLAMED......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_R._Murrow
"A pioneer of television news broadcasting, Murrow produced a series of TV news reports that helped lead to the censure of Senator Joseph McCarthy."
Senator Joseph McCarthy one of your heroes I am sure!
Oh, by the way "good night and good luck!"
You talk of evidence... What more evidence do you want that DR is Heaven for Haitians.... Hell, the country is practically theirs... They roam our street and cross our border "Willingly" and all we do is talk about it. AND STILL WE ARE ACCUSED!!!
I bet you're one of those intellectual who smoke CRACK!!!
WHAT A LOSER!!!
GC: Shut Up