In Haiti, “everybody left the country”
PORT AU PRINCE. – Haiti’s new Prime Minister on Wednesday called the lawmakers for a national and diplomatic responsibility to deal with Haitian migrants, since they’ve’ all “left the country” to Dominican Republic and other countries in the region.
“While Government echelons coordinate to take initiatives at the border level it’s necessary to reactivate the Haitian-Dominican mixed commission to deal with basic problems with our neighbors,” said Jean Max Bellerive in a Lower Chamber session.
After the Senate yesterday approved Bellerive’s plan of Government, the deputies are taking part in a session to decide on the new Prime Minister’s political program.
“It’s necessary to have a discussion in serenity (with Dominican leaders) to find institutional solutions," Bellerive said, whereas at the internal level, affirmed that "the creation of jobs is a start in solving the Haitian-Dominican problem, and establish the country’s security as well."
"Everybody left the country, because it doesn’t have a perspective. It’s necessary to restore the perspective so they (the migrants) know they can remain in the country and find jobs," the Prime Minister said.
He also noted that the lack of identification complicates Haitians’ migration. “All Haitians must have identity cards and not travel in a clandestine manner."
Written by: bernies, 11 Nov 2009 3:19 PM
From: United States, key west fl
a least someone is talking senses over the whole issue, and proposing a solution to the problem compare to the rest at there that are only blaming other for their local issues.
Written by: Belly, 11 Nov 2009 3:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Houston,Texas y San Francisco, DR
WOW what a improvement over last PM somebody with not just knowledge but a hell lot more common sense. Nice quote: “All Haitians must have identity cards and not travel in a clandestine manner." which has been the major problem of Haitians coming into DR. I'm like to hear them apply common sense to the problem.
Written by: xwill7, 11 Nov 2009 3:25 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
hope he can help make the changes
From: United States
I like the direction this guy is going. Lets see if Bill Clinton and He can bring some jobs to that area.
From: United States, New York, NY
I hope first his days(s) as PM are not being spent worrying about haitians that have left Haiti. Because if he is, rest assured that his stance is one of finding diplomatic/political support for their legalization in the countries where they reside illegally.
Lets remember that having millions of haitians returned to Haiti will only make it that much harder for haiti to fix itself. THEY DO NOT WANT THEIR COUNTRYMEN BACK. The same way that our biggest fear would be to have to keep them, their biggest fear is to have to take them back.
I believe the Haitian migration issue is OUR problem to deal with and unless the new PM is not helping us in taking them back, he should leave the issue alone and focus on initiatives that would make them WANT to go home and prevent the next generation from wanting to "travel in a clandestine manner"
From: United States
generoso por favor hurry up before the bullshitters start spiting their usuals nonsenses.
where is josean ?
has he not been deported yet to Uganda ?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Responsible immigration ? Does this mean they will take Josean back?
Written by: vacanos, 11 Nov 2009 4:06 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
hahahaha josie in his homeland i want to be there to videotape it
Written by: vacanos, 11 Nov 2009 4:10 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
About the article I hope he mean what he said. The most important thing he can start with is asking the UN for paper so they can start giving their populace birth certificate so we dont have to hear over and over they telling the international community that it is our fault the Haitians do not have a birth certificate.
Written by: xwill7, 11 Nov 2009 4:13 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
vacano,
that will be hard since a most haitian new borns are born in RD
Written by: ateo1992 
, 11 Nov 2009 4:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
why doesn't he call for " no migration to DR at all" damn that will be lot better!
Written by: telemeco, 11 Nov 2009 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Josean,,,go back to haiti and open a factory,,,your countryman needs jobs,,,and now the goberment is going to support you
From: United States
whatever this man is saying is a joke to say the least. responsible migration???? jajajajaja yeah right that will be the day. first what they need to work on is boarding an airline craft carrier in a orderly fashion before they migrate responsibly! LOLOLOLOL
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians have never denied the complexity of the migration issue, it has always been the government not being pro-active enough on doing their parts. As I see that people on here cannot even do basic and simple standardizing and evaluation of what is said in the article and it is sad. There is nothing that is ever good enough to many on here. The new PM is rendering acknowledgment of the migration issue, trying to take initiative in addressing the very same issue that many Dominicans on here allegedly claim to have a problem with, yet, he is still being lynched without taking into notice that he has just gotten the position only days ago.
From: Dominican Republic
I WONDER IF PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE EVEN READ THIS PART IN THE ARTICLE. SO, IS THIS TRUE WHAT IS SAID HERE?
"Everybody left the country, because it doesn’t have a perspective. It’s necessary to restore the perspective so they (the migrants) know they can remain in the country and find jobs," the Prime Minister said.
He also noted that the lack of identification complicates Haitians’ migration. “All Haitians must have identity cards and not travel in a clandestine manner."
Written by: Belly, 11 Nov 2009 8:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Houston,Texas y San Francisco, DR
AfroLatino
Could you clarify on who? is LYNCHING the guy here it seems to me that everybody here is on the same page by saying is good to hear him say that but due to the history of promises made is hard to believe a PM has the power to get it done since the president has proven to NOT have any will to get it done since he has been seating in that nice office of his and on the Haitians payroll for so long already.
Written by: Sajomero, 11 Nov 2009 8:30 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
The first thing he should do is to build roads to the most productive areas. For this they can ask Haitians in DR to come back and use their skills to their country's advantage. Lots of Hatians in DR have aquired many usefull skills that they can now implement at home for the betterment of it.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Nov 2009 10:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
From his mouth to God's ears...
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
What happened to Sammy Sosa story? Did it get yanked? We were having so much fun with it-darn!
Written by: antonioj, 11 Nov 2009 10:55 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Afro, I have not seen any negative comment yet but word of encouragement here. I think you are program to see negative response when there is none, come on.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Santana,
You get award for most reasonable and sensible commentary. Not much left to be said.
I am with you.
From: Dominican Republic
Oh well,
I am glad if you all really feel there is no negative remarks or statement on here then I suppose it is my bad that I misconstrued the humor in here. Oops again, my bad then (lol). Please continue...
Written by: Ranchero, 12 Nov 2009 3:48 AM
From: United States
Oh my god! A Haitian leader has spoken????? Hurry get the cameras... Hurry get the recorders ready... Don't forget to press record LMFAO.
Written by: Ranchero, 12 Nov 2009 3:51 AM
From: United States
That's like the most imposing structure in Haiti, the presidential palace LOL. Full of incapble people, then again the U.N. runs that zoo! LMFAO...
Written by: abc200, 12 Nov 2009 9:01 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Blut is emigrating to Haiti and will generate many jobs making fake caviar.
S.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
The fact that Mr Bellerive on his first day in office decided to address this issue which encompass so many of Haiti problems is a step in the right direction.
Let this be a warning to the legislative body,and the government as a whole there is no time to waist. Being that his previous post was minister of planification I'm sure he has his agenda laid out already. The Fact the process of firing the previous PM to Mr Bellerive getting his job only took 12days,where the previous process took five months speaks volume about the maturing of Haitian politic. Political stability is a key for us to move forward,noboby is willing to invest in a place deem unsteable.
As PM lets hope MR Bellerive keeps up the pressure on the int'l community to deliver on their promises as he have done on his previous post. As MLK had a dream ,may DR and Haiti become two prosperous country living side by side.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
I like the new guy, he should be given a chance to do the job, now with that been said, i think that he is bound to fail for one reason and one reason alone.
He extended an olive branch to DR on his first speech and that my friends is a nono in Haitian backward politics, I'm saying this becase it is commonly practiced for the new prime minister to perform a tirade in front of the parliament denouncing DR as the evil empire of slave masters.
Gerard Latortue did it
Jacques-Edouard Alexis did it
Michele Pierre-Louis did it
Bellerive has a more friendly tone so that alone is a positive sign
Written by: xwill7, 12 Nov 2009 5:50 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
sajomero,
and replant the trees
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:32 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
cont.
Como telón de fondo: EEUU, Francia, Canadá, Bélgica y demás miembros del convite de lo que don Juan Bosch llamó “la frontera imperial”, aunque no podemos dejar afuera a René Préval, politiquero curtido con Aristide, que botó a la primera ministra bajo una acusación infamante, pues no es verdad que se robó los fondos de la ayuda internacional. Préval y sus senadores llegados a sus curules con el 5% de los votos, no les han pedido excusa al Presidente dominicano cuando casi pierde la vida objeto por una celada en Haití, que no se convirtió en una crisis de grandes proporciones (incluidas retaliaciones) porque todos conocen el carácter apacible y conciliador de Leonel Fernández, experto en echarle agua al vino. Quienes viven hablando güeva de racismo y otras sandeces, no han caído en la cuenta de que estamos transitando por el filo de la navaja.
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:32 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Here is an intersting editorial that I found in another paper...
Lo cierto es que no ha habido voluntad política para proteger nuestra frontera ni para enfrentar el chantaje y la extorsión de los que se benefician de la pobreza y explotación de ese pobre pueblo haitiano: la oligarquía del vecino país, las ONG’s domínico-haitianas, una cúpula militar corrompida de ambos países, contrabandistas de todo; vendedores de carbón y los comerciantes que explotan el mercado binacional con 500 millones de pesos al año. Ese “bloque de búsqueda” hizo, hace y hará todas las diabluras posibles para vivir de la miseria de ese “conglomerado humano” que es Haití. Quizás los que no se benefician, pero llevan la cantaleta, son los de la “izquierda burra” (la frase es del ex presidente brasileño Enrique Cardoso, sociólogo por demás), que aplican el internacionalismo mal digerido.
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:33 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
cont.
El Dr. Juan Emilio Cheyre, chileno, director del Centro de Estudios Internacionales (UC), con sede en Santiago y amigo de Haití, escribió, después de un viaje al vecino, el 12 de diciembre del 2008, que “hay que pasar del diagnóstico a soluciones”, y que “1,000 haitianos cruzan diariamente la frontera de RD y se suman a los dos millones que existen allí. La causa es clara: van en busca de oportunidades y las consecuencias son imprevisibles dado el impacto en un vecino que estando mejor no puede satisfacer todas sus necesidades”.
Hay que decir que el Dr. Cheyre no es enemigo de Haití, sino alguien que busca solución a su desgracia. Los racistas son los que mantienen una campaña de descrédito para que República Dominicana absorba una carga que no puede, y que, tal como escribió Vinicio Castillo Semán, cada día son más los dominicanos que se asustan frente a la ocupación masiva. Santiago tenía ‘jojotos del Cibao’, está copado de haitianos (y lo dice quien
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:34 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
cont
(y lo dice quien estuvo allá visitando sus barrios), pero igual todos los campos y bateyes del país. Se ha cometido un gran daño y un crimen contra el país. Sólo los ignorantes que no saben lo que pasó en Kosovo o los que no conocen la masacre de Ruanda (les recomiendo la película “Hotel Ruanda”), lucen indiferentes ante lo que nos espera: la ‘guerra de colores’, la más terrible guerra que puede asolar un país junto con la religiosa, pero las raciales son más terribles. ¡Un millón de muertos en Ruanda y Burundi entre negros hutus y tutsis! Y hay que decir que no es un invento. Cualquier folletito puede explicar la ley dialéctica “de los cambios cuantitativos en cualitativos y viceversa”. Toda minoría se queda, permanece acallada, por acción de las clases mayoritarias, pero tienden a convertirse en mayoría.
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:35 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
cont
Cuando los haitianos sean igual en número a los dominicanos o sean una minoría considerable, reclamarán con más fuerza que ahora y por vías de hechos, más derechos, vendrá, pues, una guerra de secesión (reclamo de una parte del territorio) o la guerra total como en Kosovo, la guerra de colores, con la desventaja para nosotros de que ellos contarán con las cañoneras suministradas por los potencias que hoy financian sus ONG’s y la campaña de descrédito contra nuestro país. Por eso, Simón Bolívar fusiló al Gral. Manuel Piar, un mulato que con sus acciones desviaba la lucha anticolonial hacia la guerra de “colores” o de razas. Los dominicanos no son racistas: los racistas son los haitianos, pues no sólo odian a los mulatos haitianos porque no son “ano rojo”, sino, también a los dominicanos.
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 8:36 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
cont
Cada día debemos exigirles a los gobiernos que aprieten la política fronteriza, que la Patria no comienza por Miches, Higüey o Samaná; sino, como dice el General Soto Jiménez, en la Frontera. En los campos fronterizos se siente la fricción porque ya los haitianos nos superan en número; no hay un solo paraje del país donde no haya haitianos, al igual que todos los puestos de venta esquineros del centro de la capital, la industria turística, guardianes, construcción y agricultura. ¡Quienes hablan de un millón no saben contar o ignoran la magnitud del problema!
Written by: vacanos, 12 Nov 2009 8:45 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sajomero todo suena bien pero por favor no traiga al izquierdista, pacifista de Bosch cuando hablemos de nuestro problema haitiano. To be honest if Bosch were to be alive today he probably would had been in meeting with the evil Jesuit and all the ngo human right group in our country.
Written by: Sajomero, 12 Nov 2009 9:51 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Vacanos I don't think that had Bosch implemented at least a few of his plans, we would have a very different republic right now. One of his main priorities was to bring in teachers from other countrie to educate the poor. An educated people would never allow this mess to go on at all.
From: United States, Chicago, IL
Side note, his wife is Dominican
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
eddie
that is not surprising
Everybody knows that the haitian man greatest weakness is a dominican woman.
From: United States, Chicago, IL
yup!
Written by: Micaela, 13 Nov 2009 5:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
He also noted that the lack of identification complicates Haitians’ migration. “All Haitians must have identity cards and not travel in a clandestine manner."
I have heard that before. I think would be good for Haitians to have a document to let the world know who they are, where and when they were born. But can somebody explain how to have a card equals to not travel in a clandestine manner." Or maybe all they need to enter DR is to produce an identity card, forget visa or any immigration requirement. They don't need anything else, so instead of through the mountains, they just cross the border posts and tell the guards, I have an ID and the right to come and stay here, so out of my way. Is that what a card means? Cards or not cards, they are Haitians and should abide by Dominican immigrations laws.
From: United States, Chicago, IL
A question about ID cards. Does anyone know if either Haiti or DR still has any native population that are not registered by the state (i.e. have birth certifcate, and possibly school or med records)?
I heard in another foum that not too long ago in DR it was still common for people in the countryside to wait weeks, months, or even years before registering children or in some cases the children being old enough to do it themselves. I don't know for sure about Haiti but if I were a betting man, I would bet that it wouldnt be difficult to find unregistered/undocumented whatever you want to call it Haitians in Haiti.
Thoughts?
Written by: Micaela, 13 Nov 2009 6:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It is true, in DR it still common for people in the countryside to wait even years before registering children. It is the intergenerational relation in under registration, where parents who are not registered can't register their children. The difference with Haitians is that they don't go anywhere claiming to have been born there or produce false documents or are help by NGO or priest to be fraudulently registered. About Haiti you would win the bet. The poorest Haitians don't have any documentation, that is why they cross the border and claim that they were born here and denied their documents because racism. Many Haitians deported are rejected by the borders authorities because they don't have an ID card, and therefore can't proof they are Haitians, although they only speak Creole and can provide the authorities with their families names and location.
Written by: Micaela, 13 Nov 2009 6:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Today in Haiti, as per Unicef, 30% of children do not have a birth certificate; due to the cost of civil registration and that many people do not consider civil registration something essential. There is an intergenerational relation in under registration, where parents who are not registered are less likely to register their children. Since 2005, with the elections in mind and the support of the OAS and CIDA, more than 4.2 million adults were registered in the National Identification Office (ONI), and provided with a National Identification Card that is a permanent identification document and recognized nationwide. These 4.2 million people, many of whom had no birth certificate before, are now legally recognized citizens and could vote in the elections.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Nov 2009 10:29 PM
From: Canada, home safe
It would be interesting to see the reaction on each side, if he's elected president, by virtue the wife which is dominican will be the first lady.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Tonnyj wants to play the sexist card like what goes on in the bedroom is important ......Tonyj is a sexist swine
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
bluskanky
a.k.a gouletcolonial
a.k.a enriquerizzo
a.k.a bocaEburro
tu no te cansa de postear pupu
Written by: antonioj, 14 Nov 2009 12:12 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Blut, I played the card under the bottom of the deck. Him and sammy have both a trophy wife. I guess I need more zero on my pay cheque.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Tonyj yes you will need more 0s on your paycheck for the Hooter augmentation surgery as well
From: United States, Chicago, IL
Thanks Micaela!
Written by: antonioj, 14 Nov 2009 8:48 PM
From: Canada, home safe
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Dec 2009 6:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Afrolatino(tanfeamami,Travesti piti)
Please invite all your piti brothers and leave us to deal with our own problems.
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Lets remember that having millions of haitians returned to Haiti will only make it that much harder for haiti to fix itself. THEY DO NOT WANT THEIR COUNTRYMEN BACK. The same way that our biggest fear would be to have to keep them, their biggest fear is to have to take them back.
I believe the Haitian migration issue is OUR problem to deal with and unless the new PM is not helping us in taking them back, he should leave the issue alone and focus on initiatives that would make them WANT to go home and prevent the next generation from wanting to "travel in a clandestine manner"
where is josean ?
has he not been deported yet to Uganda ?
that will be hard since a most haitian new borns are born in RD
Josean,,,go back to haiti and open a factory,,,your countryman needs jobs,,,and now the goberment is going to support you
I WONDER IF PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE EVEN READ THIS PART IN THE ARTICLE. SO, IS THIS TRUE WHAT IS SAID HERE?
"Everybody left the country, because it doesn’t have a perspective. It’s necessary to restore the perspective so they (the migrants) know they can remain in the country and find jobs," the Prime Minister said.
He also noted that the lack of identification complicates Haitians’ migration. “All Haitians must have identity cards and not travel in a clandestine manner."
Could you clarify on who? is LYNCHING the guy here it seems to me that everybody here is on the same page by saying is good to hear him say that but due to the history of promises made is hard to believe a PM has the power to get it done since the president has proven to NOT have any will to get it done since he has been seating in that nice office of his and on the Haitians payroll for so long already.
You get award for most reasonable and sensible commentary. Not much left to be said.
I am with you.
I am glad if you all really feel there is no negative remarks or statement on here then I suppose it is my bad that I misconstrued the humor in here. Oops again, my bad then (lol). Please continue...
S.
Let this be a warning to the legislative body,and the government as a whole there is no time to waist. Being that his previous post was minister of planification I'm sure he has his agenda laid out already. The Fact the process of firing the previous PM to Mr Bellerive getting his job only took 12days,where the previous process took five months speaks volume about the maturing of Haitian politic. Political stability is a key for us to move forward,noboby is willing to invest in a place deem unsteable.
As PM lets hope MR Bellerive keeps up the pressure on the int'l community to deliver on their promises as he have done on his previous post. As MLK had a dream ,may DR and Haiti become two prosperous country living side by side.
I like the new guy, he should be given a chance to do the job, now with that been said, i think that he is bound to fail for one reason and one reason alone.
He extended an olive branch to DR on his first speech and that my friends is a nono in Haitian backward politics, I'm saying this becase it is commonly practiced for the new prime minister to perform a tirade in front of the parliament denouncing DR as the evil empire of slave masters.
Gerard Latortue did it
Jacques-Edouard Alexis did it
Michele Pierre-Louis did it
Bellerive has a more friendly tone so that alone is a positive sign
and replant the trees
Como telón de fondo: EEUU, Francia, Canadá, Bélgica y demás miembros del convite de lo que don Juan Bosch llamó “la frontera imperial”, aunque no podemos dejar afuera a René Préval, politiquero curtido con Aristide, que botó a la primera ministra bajo una acusación infamante, pues no es verdad que se robó los fondos de la ayuda internacional. Préval y sus senadores llegados a sus curules con el 5% de los votos, no les han pedido excusa al Presidente dominicano cuando casi pierde la vida objeto por una celada en Haití, que no se convirtió en una crisis de grandes proporciones (incluidas retaliaciones) porque todos conocen el carácter apacible y conciliador de Leonel Fernández, experto en echarle agua al vino. Quienes viven hablando güeva de racismo y otras sandeces, no han caído en la cuenta de que estamos transitando por el filo de la navaja.
Lo cierto es que no ha habido voluntad política para proteger nuestra frontera ni para enfrentar el chantaje y la extorsión de los que se benefician de la pobreza y explotación de ese pobre pueblo haitiano: la oligarquía del vecino país, las ONG’s domínico-haitianas, una cúpula militar corrompida de ambos países, contrabandistas de todo; vendedores de carbón y los comerciantes que explotan el mercado binacional con 500 millones de pesos al año. Ese “bloque de búsqueda” hizo, hace y hará todas las diabluras posibles para vivir de la miseria de ese “conglomerado humano” que es Haití. Quizás los que no se benefician, pero llevan la cantaleta, son los de la “izquierda burra” (la frase es del ex presidente brasileño Enrique Cardoso, sociólogo por demás), que aplican el internacionalismo mal digerido.
El Dr. Juan Emilio Cheyre, chileno, director del Centro de Estudios Internacionales (UC), con sede en Santiago y amigo de Haití, escribió, después de un viaje al vecino, el 12 de diciembre del 2008, que “hay que pasar del diagnóstico a soluciones”, y que “1,000 haitianos cruzan diariamente la frontera de RD y se suman a los dos millones que existen allí. La causa es clara: van en busca de oportunidades y las consecuencias son imprevisibles dado el impacto en un vecino que estando mejor no puede satisfacer todas sus necesidades”.
Hay que decir que el Dr. Cheyre no es enemigo de Haití, sino alguien que busca solución a su desgracia. Los racistas son los que mantienen una campaña de descrédito para que República Dominicana absorba una carga que no puede, y que, tal como escribió Vinicio Castillo Semán, cada día son más los dominicanos que se asustan frente a la ocupación masiva. Santiago tenía ‘jojotos del Cibao’, está copado de haitianos (y lo dice quien
(y lo dice quien estuvo allá visitando sus barrios), pero igual todos los campos y bateyes del país. Se ha cometido un gran daño y un crimen contra el país. Sólo los ignorantes que no saben lo que pasó en Kosovo o los que no conocen la masacre de Ruanda (les recomiendo la película “Hotel Ruanda”), lucen indiferentes ante lo que nos espera: la ‘guerra de colores’, la más terrible guerra que puede asolar un país junto con la religiosa, pero las raciales son más terribles. ¡Un millón de muertos en Ruanda y Burundi entre negros hutus y tutsis! Y hay que decir que no es un invento. Cualquier folletito puede explicar la ley dialéctica “de los cambios cuantitativos en cualitativos y viceversa”. Toda minoría se queda, permanece acallada, por acción de las clases mayoritarias, pero tienden a convertirse en mayoría.
Cuando los haitianos sean igual en número a los dominicanos o sean una minoría considerable, reclamarán con más fuerza que ahora y por vías de hechos, más derechos, vendrá, pues, una guerra de secesión (reclamo de una parte del territorio) o la guerra total como en Kosovo, la guerra de colores, con la desventaja para nosotros de que ellos contarán con las cañoneras suministradas por los potencias que hoy financian sus ONG’s y la campaña de descrédito contra nuestro país. Por eso, Simón Bolívar fusiló al Gral. Manuel Piar, un mulato que con sus acciones desviaba la lucha anticolonial hacia la guerra de “colores” o de razas. Los dominicanos no son racistas: los racistas son los haitianos, pues no sólo odian a los mulatos haitianos porque no son “ano rojo”, sino, también a los dominicanos.
Cada día debemos exigirles a los gobiernos que aprieten la política fronteriza, que la Patria no comienza por Miches, Higüey o Samaná; sino, como dice el General Soto Jiménez, en la Frontera. En los campos fronterizos se siente la fricción porque ya los haitianos nos superan en número; no hay un solo paraje del país donde no haya haitianos, al igual que todos los puestos de venta esquineros del centro de la capital, la industria turística, guardianes, construcción y agricultura. ¡Quienes hablan de un millón no saben contar o ignoran la magnitud del problema!
that is not surprising
Everybody knows that the haitian man greatest weakness is a dominican woman.
I have heard that before. I think would be good for Haitians to have a document to let the world know who they are, where and when they were born. But can somebody explain how to have a card equals to not travel in a clandestine manner." Or maybe all they need to enter DR is to produce an identity card, forget visa or any immigration requirement. They don't need anything else, so instead of through the mountains, they just cross the border posts and tell the guards, I have an ID and the right to come and stay here, so out of my way. Is that what a card means? Cards or not cards, they are Haitians and should abide by Dominican immigrations laws.
I heard in another foum that not too long ago in DR it was still common for people in the countryside to wait weeks, months, or even years before registering children or in some cases the children being old enough to do it themselves. I don't know for sure about Haiti but if I were a betting man, I would bet that it wouldnt be difficult to find unregistered/undocumented whatever you want to call it Haitians in Haiti.
Thoughts?
bluskanky
a.k.a gouletcolonial
a.k.a enriquerizzo
a.k.a bocaEburro
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YOUR OPINIONS, COMMENTS AND PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL.
Dissecting Possibilities.
These are some things I feel some of you might find interesting. So, I would like to see dialogues, not debates. I want to see discussions, not disputes.
1) http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=613&PID=1513
2) http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=613&PID=1522
3) http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=613&PID=1517
4) http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=613&PID=1523
Please remember folks... I want to see diversity, not division. I want to see dissertation, not dilatation. Let us see how we can bring about solutions and not destitution to the situation through various options of/for change.
Please invite all your piti brothers and leave us to deal with our own problems.