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Santo Domingo. - OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza yesterday acknowledged that the problem of Haitian migrants is a heavy burden for Dominican Republic, and requires the international community’s support.

“Although Dominican Republic’s level of development is far beyond Haiti’s, it’s still a country of the developing world, with its needs and problems in education, health,” among others, Insulza said, speaking in the 2nd Meeting of Security Ministers of the Americas.

Interviewed by news source listin.com.do, the OAS official noted that for a developed country to receive that number (between 700,000 and one million) of immigrants is already a problem. “It’s a burden (for DR) that the international community somehow must help mitigate.”

He said the aid has worked, but little, “so there must be more support since there’s the notion that some of the Haitian population’s problems or a part of them are solved in Dominican Republic.”

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Written by: Blutarsky This user is banned, 5 Nov 2009 8:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
I am ducking for cover as the incoming will begin now ......this on should go to 70 at least
Written by: Blutarsky This user is banned, 5 Nov 2009 8:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
this should make the raging xenophobic patriots feel a little better that the DR is being acknowledged for the amount of good work it is doing under very difficult circumstances
Written by: ElTorodeiCibao, 5 Nov 2009 8:28 AM
From: United States
No but it's nice to hear it said out loud and not just by us posting on a irrelevant website. Not that it's going to make a difference.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Nov 2009 8:37 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitians are like parasites roaming over the country or a locust plague that destroy everything; They need one of the Duvalier's to rule them with an iron fist !
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 9:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
OH chit meng and i Thought Mi Dominican Gov had something to do, with the Majority of mi Gentes being Poor, and the Minority being Rich. SO Its the Haitians who keep Raising the cost of living,light, Taxes,Gas,Food,Education, Medical.So i bet its them who really keep receiving all these IMF loans for the past 4 years, who we have to paid back with high interests. So i bet all those High Christmas Bonuses the GOV gets ,its the Haitians giving it to them. Oh Snap i bet there the ones that are using our country as Gateway For Drugs. Dammit i also bet there the ones with there hands on Apagones Switch. Maldito HAitianos i would not doubt, that they are also Responsible for the Potholes through out the DR. I bet thos MOFO negroes had something to do with wanting to Built the Metro, and Eventually expand it to HAiti so that they can take over. OHHH Where on to you HAitianos Now. YOU BETCHA!
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 9:10 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Insulza, tell me something new. LF has not guts to deal with it.
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 9:14 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Time2, sarcasm is my second language, keep it out of this blog petit garcon.
Written by: juanb, 5 Nov 2009 9:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Time:

You have hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for your enlightened outlook.
Written by: juanb, 5 Nov 2009 9:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Time:

You have hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for your enlightened outlook.
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 9:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I will be back to comment, i have to go now to pay my 300 dollar light bill to these damm hatians.
Also to buy a new battery for my UPS backup supply, that went bad due to the hatians turning on and off the lights all time.
Written by: Cacique, 5 Nov 2009 10:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic
So now what....Do we wait for another tragedy so the yelling stops...?
Written by: dagtan, 5 Nov 2009 10:19 AM
From: United States, New York City
no sherlock, something new please.
Written by: josean This user is banned, 5 Nov 2009 10:30 AM
From: United States, Guillermo President 2016 Because Our Future Depends On It!
Time, BINGO!
Written by: AfroLatino1 This user is banned, 5 Nov 2009 10:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This is what I can agree on about this post and that is a reality and this quote "Haitian migrants: A heavy load for the Dominican Republic" speaks volume for itself. Indeed, heavy load of migrants migrating into any country can be troublesome without having the use defaming condescending derogatory terms to express discontent of the situation as many of you on here are doing. People have allowed themselves to get so caught up in writing spewing irrelevant garbage filled with emotional hatred instead of writing anything constructive and productive for an arguments. This shows their level of lack of intellect, civility and tacful manners. It is a darn shame!!!
Written by: AfroLatino1 This user is banned, 5 Nov 2009 11:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Second thing that I agree with which is stated in thearticle is that "Although Dominican Republic’s level of development is far beyond Haiti’s, it’s still a country of the developing world, with its needs and problems" indeed that is the truth and Haitians and their government need to step up. That could be said without further inciting aggravations in words of denigrading statments.
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 5 Nov 2009 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Mr. Insulza please tell me something i don't know, stop f**king that chicken, turn your gunz toward the afro-lambones and the give-me/give-me gang lead by josean and the rest of the blood sucking slenderous maggots.
I mean, that's the best statement you can come up with after el faraon call your organization ineffective and unable to deal with latin american issues, give me a freaking breake, how about telling the so called "haitian Intellectuals" to get a job or band together that way with all that "intellect" they can build something that resembles a country so your sick and hungry people doesn't have to migrate to DR to beg on the street. I just hope that somebody in DR gov or military grow some ballz and start cleaning up the house.
Michele Pierre-Louis sure is a smart woman, she paid a political token, she got filthy rich and abandon all haitians to their favorite safety net and in that way completing successfully the Duvalier/Aristide circle ** get rich or die trying **
Written by: xwill7, 5 Nov 2009 11:23 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
deport and make it hard to come back in. some will come back but if they keep getting deported they will get tired and stay in Haiti. Many will run out of money trying to cross the border and many will die in the mountains if they try to walk. They just need to start deporting and tighten the border
Written by: Belly, 5 Nov 2009 11:42 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
AfroLatino1

Those are the same 2 songs we in DR have been singing for YEARS the problem is the fans in Haiti don't like the rythm they said the beat is off a bit. LOL.
Written by: tejada, 5 Nov 2009 11:48 AM
From: United States
Blutarsky, you are way off.... expect this to go well beyond a couple hundreds.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 5 Nov 2009 12:02 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn
Haitian Migrant a Heaving Load for DR... No shit! We have known that for years, what we are waiting for is a solution
Written by: CarlosFranco, 5 Nov 2009 12:02 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn
Haitian Migrant a Heaving Load for DR... No shit! We have known that for years, what we are waiting for is a solution
Written by: Belly, 5 Nov 2009 12:06 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Leonel made a good move by calling out the OAS maybe now they will start singing the Dominican song that we been singing for such a long time.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 12:49 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
We shall all pack in a can of sprite time2 or (voodo dude whatever you want to call that commies), josie, dogtan, afro, juancica, etienc and sell them like it is a can of pepsi. :)
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 1:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: xwill7, 5 Nov 2009 11:23 AM
From: United States, Chicago
deport and make it hard to come back in. some will come back but if they keep getting deported they will get tired and stay in Haiti. Many will run out of money trying to cross the border and many will die in the mountains if they try to walk. They just need to start deporting and tighten the border
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But did you know that there is alot of Haitians that are residing here legal and have Resident Cedulas and i mean Good amount, and travel back and forth to Port au Prince through Caribe Tours when they feel like it. Should they be deported aswell?
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 1:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
vacagado im living in DR, while you just cry and read about it everyday, so what the hell you going to do.
Oh and when you get your 2 weeks vacation to come down to the DR, no te de Aquagero vieniendo aqui con Prendas de oro Rentadas.
Written by: xwill7, 5 Nov 2009 1:09 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
time2,
they will need a system to check which cards are real and which are fake. charge them a high tax inorder to live in DR. they will not pay and have to leave
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: xwill7, 5 Nov 2009 1:09 PM
From: United States, Chicago
time2,
they will need a system to check which cards are real and which are fake. charge them a high tax inorder to live in DR. they will not pay and have to leave
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They charge them a good amount for the Cedulas,and with the High Cost of living down here i will also think they are paying a good Amount of our taxes aswell. Good Answer though.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 1:22 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
time2voodo "im living in DR, while you just cry and read about it everyday, so what the hell you going to do.
Oh and when you get your 2 weeks vacation to come down to the DR, no te de Aquagero vieniendo aqui con Prendas de oro Rentadas."

why so upset today my voodo boy. :roll:

The reason I'm here in nueva yoii is because of our humble heart. yes voodo dude a dirt poor Haitians took my spot in DR. Who knows it was probably you good ingrato who took my spot there and now you mr bisnesmen lol feel all important and badmouth us Dominican whetever you can the same people who help you get on your feet from your knee lol hahahahah


Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 1:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I mean this people affect our way of life we are so different from them.
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Msjersey Mi Amor pero tu vive in Jersey de que es que tu hablas.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 1:23 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
time2voodo "im living in DR, while you just cry and read about it everyday, so what the hell you going to do.
Oh and when you get your 2 weeks vacation to come down to the DR, no te de Aquagero vieniendo aqui con Prendas de oro Rentadas."

why so upset today my voodo boy. :roll:

The reason I'm here in nueva yoii is because of our humble heart. yes voodo dude a dirt poor Haitians took my spot in DR. Who knows it was probably you good ingrato who took my spot there and now you mr bisnesmen lol feel all important and badmouth us Dominican whetever you can the same people who help you get on your feet from your knee lol hahahahah
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 1:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 9:14 AM
From: United States, New Jersey
Time2, sarcasm is my second language, keep it out of this blog petit garcon.
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Mira yo tengo mi Doble ciudadania Americano y Dominicano ill show you mine if you show me yours. lol Im talking about my Dominican Cedula of Course
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 1:32 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
time2voodo "Mira yo tengo mi Doble ciudadania Americano y Dominicano ill show you mine if you show me yours. lol Im talking about my Dominican Cedula of Course"


Yes please show it I will take a few officer with me so we can get rid of you and solange for faking document.
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 2:12 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
time2, pat, ms are my inicials i can't give you a piece of my ass, what i can give you is my 7 1/2 platano with a dirt cookie. lol! YOU DO LIKE DIRT COOKIE, DON'T YOU? OH IM NOT CATHOLIC.
Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 2:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 2:12 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
time2, pat, ms are my inicials i can't give you a piece of my ass, what i can give you is my 7 1/2 platano with a dirt cookie. lol! YOU DO LIKE DIRT COOKIE, DON'T YOU? OH IM NOT CATHOLIC.
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LMAO dam bro that username is misleading, you might want to consider a new username.
Written by: perlurdom, 5 Nov 2009 2:56 PM
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
PatD,
"But that fine with you sense that was the religion of those that colonized you and eradicated that culture you are trying to reclaim sense you are having an identity crisis. But hey white is right according to you."
What culture do you recommend us to reclaim?

Written by: time2rize, 5 Nov 2009 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The reason I'm here in nueva yoii is because of our humble heart. yes voodo dude a dirt poor Haitians took my spot in DR. Who knows it was probably you good ingrato who took my spot there and now you mr bisnesmen lol feel all important and badmouth us Dominican whetever you can the same people who help you get on your feet from your knee lol hahahahah
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Your spot? doing what? Dont worry bro whenever you are ready to start a business in the DR, because thats the only way you can survive down here, i might show you the ropes, the Pro's and Con's of starting out. I had to learn the hard way, but oh well thats life.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 3:22 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
time2voodo "Your spot? doing what? Dont worry bro whenever you are ready to start a business in the DR, because thats the only way you can survive down here, i might show you the ropes, the Pro's and Con's of starting out. I had to learn the hard way, but oh well thats life."


You think sending your illegal Haitians compadre to work all day for you as limpiabota and then paying them 20 pesos each for the day of work is a legit business?

Voodo dude I got my own business here in nueva yoi. When ready to retire there then there wont be no need to start a business just to relax in my homeland. :)

Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 4:37 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
The voodu nation is raising.They hate us christians, cause we worship the only
GOD that prosper nations. Face it haiti is cursed because of what they do.
I bet you if they repent and turn their ways to the Lord their future will change.
Perfect example: your own history, and the african nations.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 4:40 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
dogtan

My parent came to the usa legally as in getting the green card first. Both of them worked and contributed to the country by paying their taxes. The USA have been forever the country with the vast opportunity than any other country in the world. The DR is a third world country who is trying to survive. We got 3 millions of backward hatians who take the resource of our country.

COMPRENDE HAITIANO
Written by: Belly, 5 Nov 2009 5:02 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

because if that was the case we would not be the second largest non-mexican group of hispanic decent here in the U.S.

Your statement is way off base here dagtan we are not the second largest at all. here is the proof.
Be careful before putting out statements like that. We are the smallest population of Hispanics from the Caribbean if you didn't know.

Read page 27.

http://www.census.gov/population/..../Internet_Hispanic_in_US_2006.pdf
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 5:09 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
time2voodo "Why does Vacanos seem to think that everyone is Haitian on these forum. Did i miss something in the time that i was MIA from DT?"


Everyone? try this first time2voodo, josie, dogtan,juancica, etienc, antonito, baldoria23.

Did I miss anybody time2voodo?


Written by: perlurdom, 5 Nov 2009 5:48 PM
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
@PatD,

How can someone embrace a culture that has been eradicated? Not even in Mexico or South America where indigenous population is still alive, the vast majority of the people in those countries have embraced the culture they feel identified with the most: Hispanic.
Taino culture in DR is just a myth, a narrative of people that migrated from South America and settled on the islands, but they did not developed or made anything significant to become an important part of our history/culture.
Then following your line of thought, In America every immigrant should reclaim the culture of the Native americans. which one are you reclaimimg in South Beach?
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Nov 2009 5:50 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haiti is cursed by the same god that They worship "SATAN" and Dominicans are blessed because We pray the real GOD ! and are 95% Catholics ! PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!

Time2haitian:

You are so full of yourself little HATIAN prick talking BS about traveling overseas with a Dominican cedula you mean with your haitian papers, go and F..K yourself !
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 5:54 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
pat-demon, CHRIST has nothing to do with what happened to tainos, rather human ignorance cause that tragedy. The good Lord would've never approve of such things like the crusade, and other things that ignorant christian did back in those days, and yes JESUS is the son of GOD whether you wanna accepted or not, now go ahead and call me a religous ignorant.
CHRIST always going to be denied, but at the end every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that HE is LORD.
Im telling you, look at all those african nations, and their dark rituals, that is why they are oppressed by the devil." Whom the LORD set free is free indeed" that's what the bible says.
They need freedom my friend, and you too.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Nov 2009 6:50 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
juby "You are so full of yourself little HATIAN prick talking BS about traveling overseas with a Dominican cedula you mean with your haitian papers, go and F..K yourself ! "


Tell me about it these haitians getting more cocky. They feel they are on a roll and there is no way of stoping them.
Written by: Belly, 5 Nov 2009 7:50 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

Census don't ask for immigration status can you provide proof of the quantity you are putting here of 600,000 else don't you think you are just talking trash.

Don't just talk here provide proof your since biased words are not enough for everybody here. I don't get you when DR is talking about Haitian immigration you point out to the census and when you are talking about Dominican immigration into USA then the Census is no longer valid. Come on Dagtan make up your mind on what info you are going to follow.

Once again i'm proving you are just trash talking here. you said there is 400,000 to 600,000 illegal Dominican in USA but the USA Census estimates only 75,000.

Once again read page 6 here:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf Source:Department of homeland security
Read page 4.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/asset....tics/publications/ill_pe_2006.pdf Source:Department of homeland security

Bring proof next time you post here.
Written by: misshaiti, 5 Nov 2009 7:57 PM
From: United States
Oh my goodness haitians mii ppls will never learn dont go some place your not wanted i've learned this so many times. I just feel like smakin yall in the face so you'll listen stop going to the dominican republic they dont want you there obviously so try getting that stupid caca clerin u call president to put some jobs in haiti so yall can work it annoys me everytime i here mii ppls( haitians) go 2 the dominican republic then u hear there's a haitians dead body some were. Will we never learn well technically cause i aint bii all up in ppls buisness like that but yeh anyways.
Written by: Belly, 5 Nov 2009 8:05 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Here is the stats from 2000-2006 of the top 6 illegal immigrants group entering USA.

Mexico 6,570,000
El Salvador 510,000
Guatemala 430,000
Philippines 280,000
Honduras 280,000
India 270,000
Written by: msjersey, 5 Nov 2009 9:00 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Pat-demon I KNOW who constantine was, he was a roman emperor that made christianity legal throughout the Roman empire. Now do you know josephus the historian, or do you eusebius the one that recorded the early christian church? Just because you read a couple of book does not make you an expert. You talking over my head please...Listen even mohammad the pedophile who married one of his wives when she was six year old(Aisha) knew who CHRIST was, and even talked breifly about HIM (but not accurate) in that false teaching book he came up with.
don't talk to me about knowledge I know my stuff. now roll.
Hey, can I call you the haitian muslim.?
Written by: misshaiti, 5 Nov 2009 10:28 PM
From: United States
wow i never heard of a haitian muslim. Jesus is coming soon btw we need to be prepared and get ready. Or else some will go to hell and others to hevean. Jesus is the son of god. So be ready dont say i aint tell yall jak wen he comes for us or the ones who are going to hevean!!!!!!!
Written by: dagtan, 5 Nov 2009 11:52 PM
From: United States, New York City
Belly, don't get too excited please, let me first point a few things out to you. The matter of immigration came about the reasons for immigration, so I made comparison at how we leave DR for the same reasons as to why Haitian leave Haiti.

When it comes to counting you can not simply rely on some limited amount of data regardless of the source, since it is almost impossible for the U.S. to have even a 50% efficiency rate in counting the illegal immigrants in the U.S. Also, remember that the data produced by DHS is based on the numbers of illegal immigrants that are detained and who are often of mexican origin and that number is then formulated to come with a hypothetical number.

For example, here in NYC is assumed that there is as much as 40% of the Dominican population that has either over stayed their visas or are here illegally and we have at least 600k dominicans in the area. You can not go on the deep end with these numbers since they do not mean anything to the person,co
Written by: dagtan, 5 Nov 2009 11:55 PM
From: United States, New York City
who dig a bit deeper and learns about the complications of getting a strait numbers. The reason why I used that wide range is because it is the best guess at this point, since as you read below is what happens when this counting is taken on:

October 28, 2009
Illegal immigrants in the US: How many are there?

It is difficult to determine exactly how many illegal immigrants are there in the USA today. However, according to different sources, the numbers range from 7 million up to 20 million. Calculating these figures accurately or even coming up with a ball park figure is almost impossible. According to a report by Bear Stearns Asset Management Inc. in New York in 2005 illegal aliens do not respond to census questionnaires. In the year 2000 the US census bureau estimated the number of illegal immigrants to be 8.7 million. However in 2003 the number declined to 7 million. Since then, the US agency has stated that the number has grown by as much as 500,000 a year.

However, the U
Written by: dagtan, 5 Nov 2009 11:56 PM
From: United States, New York City

However, the US Border Patrol states that the number of illegal immigrants is between 12 million and 15 million, while the Pew Hispanic Center a non-partisan research organization puts the figure between 11.5 million and 12 million. The Pew Hispanic Center bases its numbers on the “current population survey”, a monthly assessment conducted of about 50,000 households jointly conducted by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau. “Deriving estimates of the number of unauthorized, or illegal, immigrants is difficult because the government lacks administrative records of their arrival and departure, and because they tend to be undercounted in the census and other surveys of the population,” wrote the Congressional Budget Office in 2004. Bear Stearns also reported, citing school enrollments, foreign remittances, border crossings and housing permits that the census estimates of undocumented immigrants maybe capturing as little as half of the total number of illegal immigrant
Written by: dagtan, 6 Nov 2009 12:04 AM
From: United States, New York City
Belly, as you can see your numbers are only short by about 4 million and that is giving you the best scenario possible. These are very difficult issues and they must be treated with delicate hands and minds, otherwise they get lost in the information of misinformation.

I also, want to remind you, that immigration regardless of the status does not changes reasons behind such move. Everyone, from the ancient time to our present time have always migrated for three main reasons, religion, economics and education. This began at the unset of civilization when the people of what is known today as Europe began their migration toward the highly advanced and free learning city of timbuktu. They came for timbuktu educational, economical and freedom of religion. We come to the U.S. for economic purposes, haitians do the same crossing to DR. There is a difference between legal and illegal, but i do not want to beat a dead horse.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 12:25 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ MS jersey

funny you would label me a Haitian Muslim I guess name calling is the best you can comeback with. FYI Im a secular fellow do you know what does that mean. My question to you again do you know the history of your religion sense you want to denigrate others. Nobody ever tried to deny the existance of Christ , do you know where the concept of his devinity came from which is a key pillar to your faith. I guess you also believe the story of the 3 kings in the bible really was about three actual kings. Adolph Hitler was reputed to have said "if a lie is told enough the masses will believe it to be the truth

King James who comission that Holly book of yours,do you know what was his study before that? Demonalogy.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 12:31 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
In regard to your ignorant comment about African being in darkness because of their belief in dark retuals. Well last I check japan is the world second largest economy is not a Christian country,they believe in their Shinto Gods. The chinese which are the world economic engine right now, they main religion is Budhism, would you like me to go more?
Islam is the world fastest growing religion Right now hum I wonder why

According to your reasoning
Can you kindly explaim to us here these nations prosperities sense they do no share your religous faith.

Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 1:16 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

The problem of immigration is something everybody knows the reason looking for a better future the thing is i have grown tired of people here pointing out the 40 cases of racism yearly (guesstimate) but they never bother to think well 40 cases out of 2.3 million people is nothing bad at all in fact here is USA the cases of racism i bet is higher than 40 to 2.3 million but people just hold double standards when judging DR. If you bother to ask most Dominicans here almost all will tell you we want Haiti to become a country and if Haitians want to come into DR then get in line and wait for your turn. See most here fail to understand that at the border is not just illegal Haitian coming in anymore now is all sorts of illegal actions from drugs to gun smuggling and many more. The even funnier thing is to see here and listen to people who have not been in DR in the last 10 years thinking they have the solution in their hands but fail to recognize they are clueless about reality.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 1:32 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
See! people here who are defending Haitians hold a big double standard here are some facts. 4,000 Haitian killed by USA,France and Canada since 2004 thats an avg of almost 3 Haitians a day all the defenders here NEVER say one word about it why? i wonder?. an estimated 700,000 child in Haiti are being sold as slave child for as little as $20.00 in 2009 daily Not one word by Haitian defender? I wonder?. Cesfront Official Killed by Haitians at the border NOT one word by the Haitians defender? i wonder why?. A young Dominican KILLED in Haiti a couple of days ago by beating him then taken to the hospital where they didn't provide service to the ill man and just dump him at the border NOT one word by Haitians defender i wonder why?. see you never say or hear any of this right? I wonder why? See a lot Dominicans have been brainwashed by Afro-centrist to make them think everything that happens to a black person is racism but never stop and look from a independent mind instead of a made up
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 2:30 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Belly,Belly my brother

4k killed in Haiti by France Canada and so on during 04-05 in Haiti,where are you getting your stats and fact from, your rectum? Those countries where never part of the UN forces in Haiti. Even when the rebel forces where advancing there was not that many death people simply just got out of the way no body was willing to die for Mr Aristide cause. Cite Soleil where the UN had to let off a few 50 calibers round to let those OP's know who had bigger guns is only 5square miles. I was on the grounds at the time I guess you know more than me.


Recently while I was in Dubia watching an AlJazera English there was a documentry on about the conditions of the Haitian workers in your batay's it was not flattering. So I guess even the sand niggas got it for DR vs Haiti. You might be able to look it up for your self on YouTube.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 2:40 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
First time this topic exploded on the international scene was on a 20/20 special close to 20years ago.last I check there is nothing Afrocentric about ABC news and Barbara Walter. What was more appauling about this report was not just the living condition, but the fact that, the workers were not paid in cash but in form of chips,which can only be used at the Batay store.If you don't find anything wrong with that my question to you Sir and most Dominican on this forum is where is your sense of Humanity.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 3:00 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
The most vexing thing about watching that Aljazera special is watching a bright child not being able to get an education eventhough she was born in DR,simply because your government will not issue her her basic papers,that girl is stateless now tell me what will that be like if that was others policy toward imigrants children.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Nov 2009 7:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Before asking the dominican gov. to grant them papers, why don't you ask your own useless haitian gov. to issue them for your citizens first, Diamond? Last time I saw, the majority of the population of your country don't have even one scrap of paper to identify them. So, what is the reason for us to be compelled to take their word about their identity? Just because they (or you) say so? Do you believe us that daft? That lack of their own national documents would make them de facto stateless in their own country, wouldn't it? Create some amount of respect between yourselves (by creating a proper civil registry as a first step) and only then, you can start asking others to respect you, cuz' respect, or even love, isn't a thing that is or should be granted for free, it should be EARNED first and foremost. And about your mocking the indigenismo movement, you should know, mr. genius, that this wasn't a cultural movement that was restricted to the DR, it was a continental wide thing. (cont)
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Nov 2009 7:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont...) Heck, even your own country took part in it, if we are to take Emile Nau's writings about the caciques of this island as a sample of it. If something, this movement should command in you the same respect that noirisme (Jean Price Mars) did on its time. Unless, of course, that you have the guts to say that Dessalines and your other heroes had a "identity crisis" moment by their choosing an indigenous name for the country instead of an african one. Which is it, Diamond?
Written by: msjersey, 6 Nov 2009 9:56 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Pat-demon is rolling, at least that's what thinks.
Schooling us ignorant dominican, right? WRONG!
You want the meaning of the word secular now, let's just say that's what I was before
I came to know CHRIST.
By the way you think muslim is the fastest growing religion in the world, go to youtube
and check muslim for JESUS, and everything that's happening with that religion in africa.
People don't want RELIGION they want a RELATIONSHIP we GOD.
Now Im talking over your head.
Written by: dagtan, 6 Nov 2009 10:05 AM
From: United States, New York City
Belly, do not change the subject, now you are accusing me of defending the haitian migration. You can not be further from the truth, what I am defending is Dominican intelligence, since so many here sound so freaking ignorant and blinded to the realities on the ground. You can not simply continue to make these blanket statements to then walk away when feeling the heat. But I will stop it right here with you, since I know that you can not take any constructive criticism, since your knowledge is so quantitavetly influenced that is has become brittle and easily cracked.
Written by: dagtan, 6 Nov 2009 10:09 AM
From: United States, New York City
Lautaro, if you can make your way to Disney this December, I will love to pay for Diner after one of these presentations at DANR.ORG, that is the site, please look into it. I am posting a brief over view of the organization and what the purpose of it is. I think that we are getting much bigger and are making progress into our diaspora more viable and be able to establish a footprint in the American landscape. Here is the brief, if you have any questions PM, thanks:

The Dominican American National Roundtable (DANR) is pleased to invite you, your family and friends to join us for our 12th Annual National Conference to be held in Disney's Coronado Springs Resort In Walt Disney World - Orlando, Florida. The DANR is the premier national forum for Dominican Americans in the United States. With members in over 20 U.S. states, and Puerto Rico, the DANR is America's only national voice advocating on behalf of over one million Dominicans living in the U.S. This national gathering is consid
Written by: dagtan, 6 Nov 2009 10:12 AM
From: United States, New York City
considered to be among one of the most important events of the year on the Dominican American and Latino calendars. During the Conference, sponsors will be able to take full advantage of the numerous opportunities to market, recruit from, and network with hundreds of Dominican American and Latino professionals, educators, artists, elected officials, community leaders, businesspeople, union leaders, sports celebrities, and college students coming from all over the country, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic.
Written by: vacanos, 6 Nov 2009 10:43 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Doggy

All these "Dominican" in this group think like you do regarding DR?
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 10:51 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
PatDiamond

So you are saying USA,Canada and France had nothing to do with the coup in Haiti. ANd the 4000 political killing WOW and you seating there finding solutions to this island WOW guess what we don't need solutions from people who have no clue about what happening here.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 10:52 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

All your statements are very long but they don't say anything you starting to sound like a politician dancing around a simple matter. So you are just talking out your mouth but can't provide any proof and I'm posting here with USA Official information and you are saying i'm making blank statement HAHA that's funny for a sec but after the laught i have to say what is you mental problem.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 11:00 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
PatDiamond

See if you keep getting your information from Documentaries and Wikipedia your knowledge is up for questioning. Once again is Funny to hear people who haven't been in the island in so many YEARS finding solutions to a local problem.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 11:22 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Lautaro

As always with little words you say a lot. We in DR have all sorts of different ways for Haitian to migrate into DR legally and the NGO and Haitian defenders want us to do more but they never ask them selves why does 60 percent of Haitian don't have a birth certificate yet want us to create more programs for them to come here.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 11:39 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Belly

where do you get this 4k killed from, my friend I have a home in Laboule Haiti and business interest there Im home every 2months, like I said to you I guess even the Arabs got it for you.

Ms jersey I don't get my info from you Tube, but the BBC is a great source of unbias opinion,so is the financial Times, and The Economist. I'm not sure if you are family with these publications.
Please answer my question about Japan and China being such economic might according to your logic . I got news for you no the world is not flat,and the is another side of the globe that your religious views are foreign to them,but that are doing pretty well,you may think their are ungodly but yet,your most powerfull god fearing country on earth is always begging them to keep lendind them money to keep a float.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Nov 2009 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I would have loved to be there, dag, but regrettably, household issues have my funds for the remainder of the year tied down, so to speak. Could you keep me posted about the presentations and the plans of that org. for the next year?

Thanks for the compliments, Belly. At first, I planned to remain on the sidelines on this one, but sometimes, one can't help oneself, specially when our country is being maligned left and right. Granted, a large part of this is self-inflicted, but I can't help but feel that all this focus on our country tends to mask the real issue at hand, that is, that until the haitian socioeconomic issues and ills are tackled, no real solution will be found at the end of the tunnel, cuz' like the french geopolitician Aymeric Chauprade have already said, no plan for the reduction of the poverty on the DR will work if the army of the poor and dispossessed keeps having its numbers replenished by the social outcasts that this country receives from its western neighbour.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 11:50 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MS Jersey

I guess you are so ignorant all you can do is equate darkness to Africa, I guess you have never been to Durbin, Johanasburg, Lagos,marakesh,and so. Funny thing is I used to think the same thing about DR before I started to come over there to visit. First time I drove over I was amazed because everytime DR was in the news in the US it was related to huricanes ans so on.The image they always showed was always a peasant walking on the road bear foot with a cow and a board house for background drop,they never showed your capital,never never mind your beaches and reasorts.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 12:08 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
PatDiamon

Read the article here i posted:
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....nadas--Frances-FREE-Press-playing

Read here too i posted.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/..../Why-the-US-and-France-Hate-Haiti

And seen you like to watch documentaries google the documentary. Haiti: How to buy a child in 10 hours. You will get a better sense of reality because you do need it.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 12:30 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Belly

Ok now I understand you,but my brother I think you should know just because you read something on the Internet does not make it factual. He'll wikipidia seem to be a bible of information for a lot of people on this forum,but did you know you can post on there and the facts never get check.
That is not a news site that's a post site. You can make your too and creat your own reality and call it news.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 12:37 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
PatDiamond

Both of those articles didn't come from WIKIPEDIA they come from organisation that really want to make difference in Haiti and are calling out the cause of the problem not what most people think. I don't use wikipedia for any of my source of info neither one sided documentary just to make people like you donate to NGOs.
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 12:41 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Belly gotcha journalism does exist

and yes the US,Canada, and France were behind the movement to get rid off Aristide, also you may not know this guy Phillipe and his guys had their training camps in DR with the approval of highest members of the DR military. I left Haiti in Dec 26 because I got wind of what was going to happen the deal was done. Got to new York told my family about what was to happen no one believed me,but by Feb Aristide was gone. I did not loose anything during the looting because I was a few that was in the know. My friend I was close to that government so you cannot educate me about Haitian Political affair. I will tell you this do not always assume things in Haiti are always as simple as they seems. I'm an insider so I know
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 1:04 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Fast forward to modern time, the reason one can said Haiti is where it is and DR is far ahead can be said,while Trujillo was a MF.he was progressive and Francios Duvalier was not. His son Jean Claude was handed the presidency at 19,not by choice but because the CIA felt that he was the only one who had his farthers mistic. Most of the deals you guys got in term of development,were given to us too,but the ignorant amongs us regected them in the name of not selling out. While we inspired the Pan African world we became our worst enemy, and made some powerful enemies along the way, please remember it was not until the 60's most African countries became independent. And remember the greatest trick the devil ever pull is prove to the world he did not exist.
Written by: msjersey, 6 Nov 2009 1:29 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Pat,
I feel enlighten already with such knowledge you have shared with an ignorant like me.
Haiti is looking for intelectual like you, don't miss out.
You sound like what you say is what is right, and your sources are the only valid ones.
Written by: Belly, 6 Nov 2009 1:47 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
PatDiamond

WOW i got you to spill out the truth and reality that most here like to hide. See most people concentrate. On racism because it sales more copies of the documentary if you don't believe me try making a documentary about the involvement of USA,France and Canada and how evil they have been and how they destroyed Haitian rice farms to the point Haitians started not letting USA Trucks full of rice come into the market (Try selling that in USA) but like always UN is on the side of the money and call those Haitians farmer "criminals not behaving" and now they are almost non-existent in Haiti. Haitian pay almost $30.00 for a bag of rice while DR can provide it for less than half of that but USA won't allow that to happen because it maybe loosen up on Haitians to be able to afford more than that and why would they want that to happen when their best friends France is 100% opposed to it. Haiti has the cheapest labor yet they can only be used outside of Haiti why?
Written by: PatDiamond, 6 Nov 2009 5:20 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MS jersey

sorry for leaving you feeling intellectually molested that was not my intention!

Belly

You have a lot more knowledge than you like to let believe on this Forum. Yes I understand you may feel the need to defend your nationalistic pride, but my friend you must never loose your humanity,and most important your humility,because the difference between you and those that are less fortunate than you to the point where they have lost their humanity and their existance have become like those of animals is simply a matter of fate.
Written by: msjersey, 6 Nov 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Don't think that for a minute! sarcasm my friend.
You secular people don't impress me, human knowledge, lack of faith.
Every knee will bow, remember that even on your sleep.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Nov 2009 9:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey ,all except for #2 " Haitians that want to go to DR for work must ask and receive such right under a joint .... ....Haitian/DR Workers' Permit Program.Y"

If this implies that somehow the Haitian "government" would have a voice in determining who can come into DR then it's a heck NO!!

Maybe I am just misinterpreting your point..but the word JOINT is a concern.
Written by: Belly, 7 Nov 2009 1:04 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Lautaro

Just like you sometimes i stay on the sidelines and let them dog it out but you know just like you my blood runs high when i see some people's comments on here so i feel i have to step in from time to time. Macorisano al fin.

PatDiamon

My humane side have never been lost. See the difference is that instead of seeing Haitian in DR i want them to have a country that they can call home without being lookd at wierd by others. I wish Haiti nothing but the best and that's why i always have said that what happens in DR to Haitians is not even a bleep on the map copared to what happens to kids in Haiti where they get sold for as little as $20.00 as of today. I have 2 kids so i'm more sensitive to what happens to kids than what happens to old man because they are the future and if Haitians fail on them that's another generation lost.
Written by: dagtan, 7 Nov 2009 4:34 PM
From: United States, New York City
Lautaro, it is not that you will like to stay on the sideline, i do not think that you are able to do such things since you have not been able to look at the situation from a centrist point of view. One thing that would not keep you out of it, is exactly some position on the issues. People here have issues detaching their emotions or blood boiling syndrome, which in essence hinder the quality and purerity of the content and information that is being presented.

If we all will look at the current haitian situation from a salomonian point of view, maybe, just maybe, exchanges will be decent and quality based.

The DR government currently has two choices on the table and then there is the elephant in the room (to split the baby or not, and if yes, then how). They clearly understand the two basic decisions at hand, one being the deportation of all haitians regardless of their bloodline connections to Dominicans, territorial birthing. This decision will definitely, cont
Written by: dagtan, 7 Nov 2009 4:41 PM
From: United States, New York City
end all diplomatic relations with haiti and moreover, damage our image internationally with the possibility of loosing much needed support and sponsorship for future investments and the preferential relation (St. Dom and W. DC) that we have so deeply enjoy for almost a century. However, this will only make a portion of the Dominican population happy and upsetting the moderates Dominicans and those that are aware of our international relationships and their fragility.

The other decision is to simply leave things as they and wait for the current term to be over and simply pass this problem to the next administration. Mr. Fernandez is not concerned since I believe based on info that his beloved wife will not seek any political post above where she is at this point. Therefore, Fernandez has no interest in getting in the gutter and working this issue out. The consequences are many if this is what we will see for the rest of Mr. Fernandez' s term. Things will only get worse and,
Written by: dagtan, 7 Nov 2009 4:47 PM
From: United States, New York City
the people will become desperate, since it is clear that the DR is no position to deal with such additions to its already brittle economy and social system. So we might see more of the same for years to come, since there is no sign of the Fernandez government doing anything to end the problem.

Now, I believe in splitting the baby on this particular case, because even salomon will by force to split this baby, since the consequences of the choosing one or the other are not worth the action. I hope that the government is looking at a comprehensive system where our diplomatic relationship with haiti will still be viable and possible. This is a must, since we need their trade and labor and it has been proven many times before that isolation only leads to a decrease in economic and living standards. They program should allow all those mixed haitians to stay, since i do not know how can you tell that Dominican mom or dad that their little child will go to haiti since they are half,
Written by: dagtan, 7 Nov 2009 4:53 PM
From: United States, New York City
haitian. This action will produce many enemies for the dominican government and the social stability, plus it will make us look very barbaric indeed. The issue of those born on Dominican soil must be address and done quickly to prevent chaos. A system of birth certificates should be put in place in order to investigate and gather info on the applicants.

Finally, I am very sorry for the verbiage, but Lautaro, i believe that if next time you sit back and look at the problem from this vantage point, you will not need to jump in since your blood will not feel threatened nor you will suffer from blood boiling syndrome as many do here.

I am certain that the third choice will prevail, since it is the only one that will be politically acceptable and this is more of political problem than anything else. Many here keep shouting, but those shouts only start on DT and die on DT. The forces out there want this issue to be resolved politically, since it is a political issue in its natur
Written by: Lautaro, 7 Nov 2009 8:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Then let us work (and pray) for this third way to prevail, dag. God only knows that we have had enough unrest and bloodshed on this island to last a thousand lifetimes.
Written by: dagtan, 7 Nov 2009 10:13 PM
From: United States, New York City
Lautaro, on another note. Did you get to view the agenda for the December DANR.ORG's conference? The reason why I ask is that the Al Sharpton of the Dominican Republic (Sonia Pierre) will be speaking on the final night. The reason why I equate her to Al Sharpton is because like Al, she is hated and disliked by many people in the DR, but when she speaks, everyone listens.

Many Dominicans understimate the power this lady has over Dominican domestic politics and politics is local as many say. The Dominican government is very sensitive to what Sonia has to say about the current situation there. They know that she has the ear of the international community, which at the end of the day dictates our future.

Lautaro, then we are going to have a Q&A with her, if you have any Qs that you have been wanting to ask her, PM me and I'll try my best to get them in.


Finally, I also hope that that third choice works, becaue it will never end, if it does not work.
Written by: misshaiti, 7 Nov 2009 11:56 PM
From: United States
OMG there selling children really still? And 20 dollars thats not rite. well anyways jesus is comin soon dont hate appreciate!
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 12:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Sonia Pierre is just a Haitian bitch and she will not get her way not matter what she does she will not achieve her goal!

"Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la Nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera ."

"Mientras no se escarmiente a los traidores como se debe, los buenos y verdaderos dominicanos serán siempre víctima de sus maquinaciones."

"Autoridad El Gobierno debe mostrarse justo y enérgico...o no tendremos Patria y por consiguiente ni libertad ni independencia nacional."

"Nuestra Patria ha de ser libre e independiente de toda Potencia extranjera o se hunde la isla."

O sea que ni traidores ni Haitianos y si hay que quemar la isla para que no la tomen los Haitianos hay que quemarla y si el gobierno no se mueve serán los Dominicanos y Dominicanas en honor a Duarte que darán el segundo trabucazo y que acabará el juego que nos tienen montado!
Written by: misshaiti, 9 Nov 2009 12:58 AM
From: United States
pepe 32 person wat is her goal i dont get it and stop callin ppl bitches there not female doggs u r wat u say! even know theres one that say u r wat u eat but u get the point.
Written by: misshaiti, 9 Nov 2009 1:04 AM
From: United States
Oh thats wat she's trying to do whats wrong with what she wants to do she only wants yall 2 islands or republics 2 get along with each other is that really a problem. Yeah ya may hate each other but really y can't we all just get along! That would be nice and y am i not bein rude and nosey now how intrestin. but anyways as i was saying we just got 2 appreciate 1 another say what u think 1 another should do which isnt rude or selfish and i hope she reaches her goal. I meen their ant nothin wrong with it.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 9:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Sonia Pierre is an enemy of my nation and calling her a bitch is only an insult to female dogs..

She should go back to Haiti and complain to the Haitian government about the mess they have created ,although in Haiti she probably would have been killed by now!

Miss Haiti ,I have no problem with Haitians in Haiti but when you threaten to overrun my country we don't want you here ...

Haitians in Haiti =Good
Haitians in DR =Bad

All Sonia Pierre cares about is Haitians ,she is a Haitian Al Sharpton somehow never appearing when Haitians kill,rape,assault or destroy the ecosystem but the moment something happens to a Haitian she is blasting away ...this proves she does not give a sh.. about my country or my people.

Again,why are so many Haitians like Ms. Pie here when we are such bad people?
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 10:39 AM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, the really sad thing is that Sonia Piere has more influence over the DR government than you. What are you planing on doing to change that? Where is the Domincan version of Sonia Piere on the other side of the fence? Why don't you start an organization, since you are so afraid of hatian takeover?

pepe32, event though I totally disagree with Sonia Piere and hope that one day a Dominican is willing to put such energy and risk life and limb defending any given cause. I give her credit for working in such a hostile environment. I have no idea how she has survived for so long and not only survive, but to bring the government under her influence. She most be a formidable poltician at best, to achive what she has in the terrain she works in.
Written by: misshaiti, 9 Nov 2009 11:09 AM
From: United States
pepe32 person ur mad because haitian ppl r n dominican republic well obviusly yall dont want them there i dont know how many times to say this and my mom haiians are hardheaded dont g somewhere ur not wanted but if u ont wantitans there watsoever even though i dont know why there there isn't that kinda racist. u guys are in haiti no 1's complainng i get where ur comin from though.
Written by: misshaiti, 9 Nov 2009 11:09 AM
From: United States
pepe32 person ur mad because haitian ppl r n dominican republic well obviusly yall dont want them there i dont know how many times to say this and my mom haiians are hardheaded dont g somewhere ur not wanted but if u ont wantitans there watsoever even though i dont know why there there isn't that kinda racist. u guys are in haiti no 1's complainng i get where ur comin from though.
Written by: n109pierre, 9 Nov 2009 11:32 AM
From: United States
Botswana and Pat Diamond you are totally right when it comes to the folks in the DR are light pupettiers. The rest of the world are looking at them in the DR like fools with mostly black blood. They can not face it that they are black. We in the united states with any shade of african heritage is black. They are thinking that they are in a plantation because of skin tone colors. Blacks in America are proud of their heritage. You can find a black mainoy european features but have afro blood would consider themselves black.
Somethings you all say B and P i am not supporting in cursing others but you all mention some truthness about the folks in the DR.
Those who are ccursing haitians that live in the United states ei NY should not even open their mouth. Remeber they are in someone's else country. The same thing an american will tell that person go back to where you came from.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan ,we do not need a Sonia Pierre because we are Dominicans in the Dominican Republic,we are in our country unlike Ms. Pierre who is our Al Sharpton.I don't have to be in the media to push a pro-Dominican agenda since I can actively push that agenda from behind the scenes and if you read the new constitution you will find that it does address the legal loopholes in the previous one regarding the Haitian problem.

Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Also Dagtan you overestimate the influence of Sonia Pierre who while popular in certain leftist and liberal circles is virtually unknown to most people in the US. In the end it will be Dominicans who determine what happens and the US and Europe is not going to let all their investments lose value because of Haiti or Haitians ...you are being idealistic again which is why a forum like this is good because when you only deal with people of like mind you begin to believe that everyone thinks as you do and that my friend is self -delusion.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 3:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pierre ,what you Haitians don't understand is that we as a nation were not born of a racial bloodbath like Haiti was and we do not and will never see things as you do ,only US Afrocentrism infected Dominicans believe in the racist one drop rule but we don't really care what people in the US think and even less what Haitians think because Haitians are not in a position to give advice to anyone and any Haitian with half a brain should dedicate it to fixing Haiti instead of criticizing DR .

Any of these discussions are valid as long as the discussions are between Dominicans and foreigners be they US,French ,Haitian or whatever do not have the right to interfere.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 3:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
MissHaiti, Haiti has a right to expel every single Dominican inside its territory ,this is called sovereignty ,by the same token we do not have to accept between 1 and 3 million Haitians in our territory most without any valid papers!

Not liking Haitians is not racism my dear it is based on historical acts just like the fighting between the Tutsis and Hutus ,the conflict in Sudan and the many wars in Europe .

What makes it worse is the many Haitians like that female canine Pierre criticizing DR and comparing us with Nazi's and South Africa when Haitians in DR while not living well (Neither are many Dominicans) are treated better than Haitians in Haiti!
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 4:06 PM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, once again you have misread my post, I think that you are really having issues understanding. If you read carefully, please do it again, you always need someone on the other side of the fence (meaning argument, how can I elementarized this more, please tell me). For example there is always a person that will fight tooth and nail people like Al, and others ultra-blinded defenders of lost causes out there. Here in the U.S. everyone knows that Pat Bucanan is Al nemeisis and I love seeing these two go at it.

While Walenska in Poiland was such as Pat, dealing with the high presence of Jewish immigrants and the preseravation of Poland as a country and people. There are many Als ant Pats, but it takes time and desire to do so.

Finally, do you actually find the ratification of the constiution new? Pepe32, I am starting to doubt that actually live in the DR. Pepe32, these actions were already in place in practice, they have only now become institutionalized.
Written by: Belly, 9 Nov 2009 4:09 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

I have to agree with PEPE here i think you are over estimating her influences in politicals in DR. Most people in DR don't know Sonia Pierre except for a few who found about her online. If you have follow the constitution process in 2002 where they defined a "Dominican" by bloodline and in the new constitution in 2009 they made it harder by now defining a "Dominican" by two things now Bloodline & Birthplace which is what she has been fighting against for decades. If you look at the voting in that same article where 166 voted for Bloodline & Birthplace and 27 just for Bloodline and the others not present it becomes very obvious that they are not taking anything she says seriously by any means. She is more influential in Dominicans in USA than those in DR who are the ones making the choices today. The 1 article to provide primary education to all children is something she claim credit for but it's a total lie by her because the polls showed most Dominicans were in favor of it.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 4:30 PM
From: United States, New York City
Belly, only the people who follow Dominican news in the U.S. know of Sonia Pierre. Sonia is actually more powerful than what you think, and those constitutional actions were already in place and like I say, thay have simply become institutional with signing of the document.

I think that it is easier now, since there is a clear path to dealing with the issue at hand. In this case I am all for the institutionalization of systems, because this way things can at least be documented and some will make and others will not, but that is the nature of systems.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan,I don't think any Dominican here (in DR) doubts me ,I did not state that this is NEW (aparte de mudo eres sordo!) I stated that now we will have that insidious loophole closed so you and others like you cannot complain about Haitian rights under Dominican laws.

You are correct in that we are simply codifying into law the existing Dominican interpretation but you are way off course in regards to Sonia Pierre but you can delude yourself all you want .

Anyhow ,I live in DR (Santiago) and travel regularly to Europe and the US but my experience is firsthand and not from the congressional black caucus , Afrocentrists,Jesuit publications or non Dominican extreme left fringe groups and I can tell you all Ms. Pierre is doing is unifying Dominicans against Haitians and provoking a backlash . (Although I do read what they have to say because knowing your enemies is more important than knowing your friends)
Written by: Belly, 9 Nov 2009 5:01 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Dagtan

Would you care to elaborate what has she done in Dominican politics that makes her so powerful as you say because everything she has been fighting against still there today if anything proves to the world that DR really believes in freedom of speech and we allow people to criticize what they don't agree with. Based on those two constitutional articles the only thing we can conclude is that Haitian kids will learn Dominican history and sing Dominican anthem at school. Which just goes against one of her other fights which is to keep the Haitian culture alive in DR and pretty much force DR to accommodate them in DR which is just not happening. In my personal opinion the myth of the passive invasion is just that a myth if anything is the opposite of what is claim by some.

Read this story here:
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/site/i....tid=104:nacionales&itemid=115
Written by: josean This user is banned, 9 Nov 2009 7:07 PM
From: United States, Guillermo President 2016 Because Our Future Depends On It!
Look how our Puerto Rican brother treat us in PR similar to how we treat our Haitian brothers in DR wouldn't you say!

Cónsul dominicano celebra donación de terreno a vecinos de barriada en Puerto Rico

San Juan.- El cónsul general de la República Dominicana en Puerto Rico, Máximo Taveras, celebró hoy la donación de unos terrenos en la localidad puertorriqueña de Arecibo para acoger a los vecinos del asentamiento de viviendas ilegales "Villas del Sol", la mitad de cuyos residentes es de su misma nacionalidad.


http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=120950
Written by: misshaiti, 9 Nov 2009 7:41 PM
From: United States
Oh now i get it pepe 32 person sorry 4 sayin person at the bak but anyways ur mad cause she's critisizing dominicans well thats not nice 4 her 2 du that. I meen yeh there r ppl hu hate nd those hu appreciate but u still have 2 accept them and even if there rude try changin em f they dont want 2 still except em but im not sayin 4 her 2 not stand up 4 haitians again dont go somewhere ur not wanted. it seems like dominican girls r nicer than the guys i had haitian friend hu's with a dominican girl she is so nice. how intrestin.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 8:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
MissHaiti,unlike others here I do not pretend to speak for all Dominicans just like you don't represent all Haitians ,if you read this forum you will find Dominicans (mainly men) who defend Haiti with more vigor than they would the DR,you have people in between and you have people like me who are fed up with this problem.

DR is a poor third world country struggling to improve and this poor country is the major destination for Haitians so either we are not that bad or Haitians are so mistreated in Haiti that DR is not so bad for them which should lead Haitians to look in the mirror and see the main culprit of the current state of Haiti .

You will not get much sympathy from people who are already overburdened and who are struggling to survive faced with a MASSIVE foreign population with which we have a historical enmity .I understand why Haitians are leaving Haiti ,but we cannot absorb that many of your people when our own people are barely surviving.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 8:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Por eso por muchos problemas que existan son problemas entre familia muy distantes a lo que sucede con los millones de Haitianos en RD que de paso sea dicho es como tener 1 de cada 5 personas de otra nacionalidad y con una tasa de crecimiento demográfico mucho mas acelerada y millones mas al otro lado de la isla en poco tiempo los que entran sin permiso a nuestra casa serán los dueños de la casa y nosotros merecidamente seriamos minoría en nuestra patria
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 8:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Los lazos entre PR y RD son lazos estrechos que datan a antes de la colonia.

Nos unen la cultura y el idioma y nunca hemos tenido invasiones ni matanzas en contra nuestra ni vice versa o sea que la comparación es un poco ridícula.

Cuando la ocupación Haitiana fue desde PR Cuba y demás países hermanos que llegó ayuda monetaria y de armamentos para sacar a los Haitianos de nuestro territorio.Entre RD Dominicana Cuba Venezuela y Colombia habían incluso estrechos lazos familiares por eso el deseo de formar parte de la Gran Colombia con la independencia Efímera .



Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 9:35 PM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, where did you get this from?

"Cuando la ocupación Haitiana fue desde PR Cuba y demás países hermanos que llegó ayuda monetaria y de armamentos para sacar a los Haitianos de nuestro territorio".

pepe, pepe32, what is going on in your mind, there was no help from the other island, since they were not even free or autonomous at this time. The only help that came was that to restore Spanish rule on the eastern side of hispaniola, and that was it, pepe32. Pepe32, on the other hand after the trabucaso, the newly formed republic to the northeast adapted a politic of helping the other island (PR), Cuba not much). This help came with an open door policy to any run away slaves coming from PR. What was interesting about this whole thing was that for the most part these slaves were followed by slaves hunters trying to make some money by returning them to their owners.

As these hunters got off the boat to capture the run away slaves, a linch mob will beat the hell out of these
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 9:47 PM
From: United States, New York City
guys and often either killed them or send them back nicely peppered, so the others can take notice and to motivate more slaves to run away.

What is interesting about this whole period in the early eastern republic (Republica Dominicana) is that boats were traveling in a different directions as they are today and hopefully our Puertoricans brothers will take notice when dealing with our people today.

We never rejected any run away slaves from PR or any other Island, we since inception have been a very hospitable people who have always rose above tyranny and radicalism. I am still hopeful that the spirit of that newly founded republic still with us today and those ideals that made us the most friendly and welcoming people on the caribbean will not be tarnished by the new wave of radicalism that we have been able to stinguish so elegantly in the past.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 9:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan ,you are severely mistaken since these areas while under Spanish control were formed by people with tight social and even family ties to DR and if your brother in DR needed help you would do all you could to assist.

Anyone that does not understand how we are closer to our brothers and sisters in PR than to the Haitians has no clue about our country and has been infected by the virus of Afrocentrism.I fear Dagtan is incurable and might as well be Haitian (If he isn't ) because nothing he has written here has demonstrated otherwise.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 10:04 PM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, you clearly do not know your history, please go back and read the material. Off course there were connections, but connections in the sense that PR was the vacational place while Hispaniola was the machinery producing the goods for those hacendados tirandose la buena vida en puerto rico. Yes they were the same people who travelled back and forth, but everyone should know that. my point of contention is your allegation that PR sent monies and arms to Hispaniola to rid itself from the haitian domination just because they wanted us to be free. pepe32, they were the same people that were displaced by the haitian occupation, so it was only normal for them to try to reagin their lost lifestyle.

This is where you are confused, yes the resources were delivered, but to regain control, not to free the indentured servants or the slaves on the territories. So those provisions were not out friendship, but out necessity and desire to regain their hacendado lifestyle. pepe32,
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 10:10 PM
From: United States, New York City
the hacendados were distressed that after they have made such investments and sure that Duarte will turn the territories back to them and instead he opted for a free republic removing them from the land forever. Duarte further disturbed the hacendados by naming the first commander and chief of the republic arm forces a mulato from montegrande. pepe32, that is the reason why montegrande is so important, because for the first time the territories unified under a republic were in the hands of an organized government and with a military that was able to withstand future haitian or spaniards invasions.

pepe32, call me what ever you want, at times you must admit that your premise was misleading, it is ok.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 10:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan as usual you are so used to communicate with people who agree with you you can only see one side of the issue.When I refer to freeing the DR I am not referring to slaves instead I am referring to the freedom of the Nation from Haitian occupation .They wanted to regain control from people who had no right to our lands.You as usual center everything with the slaves although if you took the time to read the link sent in the other thread you would see that Haitians removed one slavery only to replace it with another oppression.So our brothers and sisters in Cuba and PR and even Venezuela and Colombia provided weapons and money to defeat this vile tyranny imposed by the barbaric Haitians.

On a side note ,slavery was going to be abolished anyhow by the Dominican patriots so the Haitian invasion was just an imperialist land grab,but they bit off more than they could chew and they created hostility that has yet to fade to this day.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 10:29 PM
From: United States, New York City
back to the people that were funding the provisions.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 10:29 PM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, the eastern territories was not a nation during this period and you missed the indentured servants who were actually europeans working the land as well as slaves. You are assuming on the eminence of the abolition of slavery and it only took more than 40 years for Cuba and PR to do it after the DR.

Your sources are not matching and my advise to you is to go read moya-pons first and then the history of the caribbean. you are making some great points, but they are not accurately shown nor chronologically factual in their actions. it is true about the help from these areas as i stated before, but you continually miss the source. Look at the source and then we can continue this conversation since it is pretty interesting.

Once you make the necessary discoveries about the source of such aid, then you will see where and from who it was coming from. it served a great purpose for the people of the future republic and thank Duarte every day for not giving the territories,
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 10:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan ,all Dominicans have read Moya Pons since many of our history books were written by him.Sorry to tell you but we did have a very brief independance called the "Independencia Efimera" and subsequent attempts were being made to join La Gran Colombia (Not Haiti for reasons that are obvious to Dominicans but not to some others)

My advice to you would be to read the link sent to you so you could understand what the horrible Haitian occupation really meant to people in DR....unless you open yourself to seeing the the other side you will never understand the Dominican Psyche and being born in DR does not give them to you since they are not transmitted via DNA.

Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 10:36 AM
From: United States
Much is owed to "Ayiti Cherie", Haiti, Pearl of the Antilles. Sonia Pierre fighting for human causes not because she is of haitian origin. The international community looks at the DR like nazis of adolf hitler. Put nationality aside or historical delemas. Look at the violation of human rights. How in the heck world if a person was born in a territory cannot claim citizenship at the location, wow, shameful on the DR.
Lets face the it, the DR is a primitive, non sensitive, bigit, and has lack of respect for human rights. Ironicaly, the DR has its citizens in the Mona Passage on boat loads and in container ships destind to the United States.

Written by: Lautaro, 10 Nov 2009 11:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
n109pierre said: "Lets face the it, the DR is a primitive, non sensitive, bigit, and has lack of respect for human rights. Ironicaly, the DR has its citizens in the Mona Passage on boat loads and in container ships destind to the United States."

Ironically enough, the same could be said about Haiti, what with their sending thousands upon thousands of economic refugees to their eastern neighbor. Face it, pierre, you're the least indicated to be pointing fingers at us, specially for the fact that, despite your countrymen being scorned on the primitive, non sensitive, bigot and non-respectful for human rights DR, guess what? they're better treated here than in your own country, a fact that speak VOLUMES by itself. Mind your own business, s'il vous plait.

Written by: old_school_trinitario, 10 Nov 2009 11:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente

n109pie

answer this riddle for me

If we dominican are so shameful, despicable, racist nazis and human rights violators nation, why is it that your poor masses don't return home?, why is it that despite all the abuse at the hands of the evil dominican population they decide to stay put?. Haitian people in DR can ride bikes back to haiti, so why is so hard to return home? Why poor and sad haitians will suffer the humiliating existence in DR rather than return home and build a proud nation.

why piti , why?

why you haitians spend so much time here in DT trying to fit in , but can't ,because deep down you all are a bunch of haters, instead why not network with each other, travel to haiti and plant some trees, or smoke them whatever your choice, but do something for your nation, stop crying like bitches asking for understanding , we don't give a f**k, is too many of you in DR right now.

At least take turns raping the environment .

Written by: Lautaro, 10 Nov 2009 12:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
My best guess is that it is easier for the likes of him to talk BS from an ivory tower in the US than walk the walk, talk the talk and fight the good fight over here in the island, mi camarada trinitario.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 2:05 PM
From: United States, New York City
pepe32, the only thing that I have always agree with you in a holistic sense is this part:

"the horrible Haitian occupation really meant to people in DR"

Who ever deny that the hatian occupation of the eastern territories was horrible is an idiot and had not done their homework. Yes, we are still suffering the consequences of this occupation and maybe for the next generation or two.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 2:21 PM
From: United States, New York City
n109pie
"Sonia Pierre fighting for human causes not because she is of haitian origin".

This is the most idioti statement I heard on this forum. I had in the past compared Sonia Pierre to Al Sharpton and yes she has influence over the decision making process of the DR government, but that is because she is so freaking polarizing and fragamented in her views. Sonia is no more than the agitator Sharpton that we have in the U.S.

Sonia does not have any real politik ability in the DR, nor does dhe has any real politcal power to move legislation through the government. The only that Sonia has done in the DR, to be pindown the government in what actions to take about the haitian issue. She has been successful in creating a splited baby condition within the DR government, preventing it from playing in the middle.

Sonia needs to be neutralized now, before to she continues to make inroads in the Dominican arena. She wil not be happy with either a complete deportation or a compl
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 2:24 PM
From: United States, New York City
inactive system without rights as it is today. So nothing is left for the government to do. Because if they decide to deal with the issue in a comprehensive way, millions of hatians will have to be deported in order for the system to work and if the government leave things as they are and no rights for the haitians she'll bitch and if the government deport any she'll bitch.

So that she has not done snything bigh for the haitian population, but delay what is naturally going to happen, which is deportation and the creation of migratory system.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 2:31 PM
From: United States, New York City
n109pierre said: "Lets face the it, the DR is a primitive, non sensitive, bigit, and has lack of respect for human rights. Ironicaly, the DR has its citizens in the Mona Passage on boat loads and in container ships destind to the United States."

My friend you are hearing from one of the few people on here that believes in treating Haitians humanly and putting in place a comprehensive system to end the problem peacefully and smoothly, but crap like this are totally out of line. This is the first time that I see you around here and when I was reading your posts, the only thing that came to mind was that here is one with a MOSQUITO BRAIN talking out of his rear end.

We received many boats coming PR in the past and we never rejected any of the people coming from that island in search of freedom and a better life. At times thing chnage and so what if we going over there now, this is our problem to deal with. This is the reason why do not get into talking about hatian political,
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 2:33 PM
From: United States, New York City
issues, because we will them open our doors for this kind idiocies. My only involvement with hatian's politcal issues is when its affects the DR and that is about it. Our illegal immigration is something that must be resolved by us and I know that we are going to have to resolve yours since you are not interested in resolving it. Thereofre, until then, keep your butt out our migratory issues.
Written by: Belly, 10 Nov 2009 2:59 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
N109PIERRE

I have said this before here and i will said it again "If Haitian keep pointing finger the next 200 years will look just like the last 200 years." Take responsibility of your own problem because we are doing the same in DR. Today illegal immigration is a Dominican problem and we are working to make it go away and we will apply the same principals to future problems that come up.
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 10 Nov 2009 3:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Good job dagtan, way to shut that MOFU up

you starting to sound like a true dominican now, keep it up.

remember that pride and patriotism is what separate us from our neighbors from the west,
is what created us and is what pushes us towards a better future for new generations of dominicans.

let the force be with you para que defiendas con valentia los valores patrios y la insignia de DIOS, PATRIA Y LIBERTAD, defiende a tu gente ante los ataques de aquellos que buscan manchar su nombre con mentiras y chantajes, recuerda que solo a los patriotas le duele la tierra a los demas solo les interesa.

peace

Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 3:52 PM
From: United States
When "you all" in the DR will stop sending illegals from your country to the United States, then that is when you all can have a justification in closing the DR's border. Go to Washington Heights in NY and Allapatah in Miami , then you will see what i am taliking about. Everyone is in search of better life. The only people of a country that can say things about illegals are US citizens and others in the rest of the world whose country is wealthy and not third world.
IE, the Domincans has no means talking about haitians. The reason why you guys are have a blowed up mind because of the the european mixed blood that a majority of the population have , although in the american eyes are considered black.
you all= bigots
Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 3:56 PM
From: United States
google this up "Julia Molina Chevalier"!

Same for you if you saying haitians have t leave and go back but what about your people who are in the United States! Don't they need to go back to the DR!!!!! WOW double standards, huh!!
Let first to a pick up in washinton heights, Lyn in MASS, Allapatah in Miami, and New Jerse
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 10 Nov 2009 3:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente





everybody say hello to the newest member of the gang of frustration.
n109pierre

please pick your congratulatory Obama " YES WE CAN " t-shirt from your senior member josean.

Written by: old_school_trinitario, 10 Nov 2009 4:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente



by the way the new latino LOL is CMCR
casi me cago de la risa
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 4:22 PM
From: United States, New York City
n109pierre, I promie that I will not refer to you again on this issue, but your priorities are really mixed up and infested by the necesity of passing blame. There are Dominicans like me that provide a sense of insulation and sensitivity for the hatian issue in the DR today. I am a moderate who looks at things in a very objective way and not get my feelings involved with my commentaries. However, yours are filled with hate and infestation produced by your prior failings and frustrations as a country.

Let us work together and stop this bickering and try not to kill those few of us that really want to get this thing resolved in a humane way with your vitriol. Your comments really do not deserve an answer since they are so baseless and pathetic, but I must respond to such accusations when we are are trying to endure the unwanted punishment that haiti has impose on us by not wanting to work with us in solving the migration issue between the two sides.

You must first worry about,
Written by: dagtan, 10 Nov 2009 4:26 PM
From: United States, New York City
getting your house in order before you can come here and try to fix ours. I have always gone after my country, because my main interest is in fixing my house before telling others what to do. We have lots of problems as it is and neanthertal like you only make things worse for both sides. Please stop your inflamatory comments and lets move on.

I live in NYC and yes, there is lots of problem with our people, but your comments are pure lies and exageration of the truth. Where in the heck have you been hiding, in some cave somewhere in the Amazon, stop before you are futher embarrased.
Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 4:37 PM
From: United States
dagten who start with an ill sympathy but lead to the same O ill thoughts about haitians. Like youy said we all need to worek together and repect human dignity. Now you said that you line in the NY and there is lots of issues within your community. First of all many are living illegal and I know you may be an advocater for them. You are contridicting yourself in many ways.
You are first in someone else's country. You left your country and went to another. SO you need to go back to your country too, like you said about the haitians. Does All dominicans in new york and else where in the US needs to be send back to their homeland? I am not evil minded like to place humans in such hostile position.
Le tme make you aware of some issues and clashes with Dominicans in NY. Puerto Ricans dislikes dominicans. We all need to respect one another and treat each other like you wanted to be treated.
Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 4:41 PM
From: United States
You need to know more of geography b/c amazon basin is in south america. please pray for the deads who are in purgatory. Your soul needs prayers. San Miguel, Santa Martha Dominitoras, Erzili, Ghede, Santa Ana pye, et Simbi where are you.
Written by: n109pierre, 10 Nov 2009 4:41 PM
From: United States
You need to know more of geography b/c amazon basin is in south america. please pray for the deads who are in purgatory. Your soul needs prayers. San Miguel, Santa Martha Dominitoras, Erzili, Ghede, Santa Ana pye, et Simbi where are you.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Nov 2009 9:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I remember starting in the forums with plenty of idealism and I recall many others not as hot-headed as I am (Lautaro I believe) really trying to reach out and find consensus with the Haitian POV ,but no matter how much you try they are not satisfied and won't be satisfied until they are a majority in DR and all these tactics are merely stalling tactics.We can forestall major bloodshed now by acting quickly decisively and humanely to end the lawlessness in our border and the millions who have laughed at our sovereignty ,now the pill will have a bitter taste at first but in the long run it will preserve the Dominican Republic so any chatter to the contrary is only a distraction but I will not blink until our government takes action and if they don't they will have to pay were it hurts the most.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Nov 2009 9:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
**I am so proud I think I feel a tear coming down...
Dagtan's first pro-Dominican statement!!!! This calls for a party ,un lechon asao, Presidente ,Barcelo y obviamente musica Cibaeña ...El Prodigio!!

Let us work together and stop this bickering and try not to kill those few of us that really want to get this thing resolved in a humane way with your vitriol. Your comments really do not deserve an answer since they are so baseless and pathetic, but I must respond to such accusations when we are are trying to endure the unwanted punishment that haiti has impose on us by not wanting to work with us in solving the migration issue between the two sides.
getting your house in order before you can come here and try to fix ours. I have always gone after my country, because my main interest is in fixing my house before telling others what to do. We have lots of problems as it is and neanthertal like you only make things worse for both sides.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Nov 2009 9:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Piti,Dagtan knows the amazon is in South America ,he is alluding to how lost you are.
Written by: misshaiti, 11 Nov 2009 10:03 AM
From: United States
oh then go 2 the haitian president and tell him 2 get off his butt and du somethin i meen i wuld but the stupid un soldier ppls is scarin mii its just like leve alredi wii dontwantcha here but they wont go away those poor cute lil children hu r dying because they gettin shot by them dumb soldiers nd police ppl just ape the girls they find i dont c wat hese ppls r really doin other than destroying lives those p00r babies.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Nov 2009 11:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
MissHaiti ,I am not Haitian so I have no need to talk to the president of Haiti to fix their problems ,that is for Haitians to do .

As for the rest of your writings I don't understand what your point is ,you are all over the place.

Written by: misshaiti, 11 Nov 2009 11:52 PM
From: United States
y du u keep telling me that I cant be over you screen. I f ur talkin about mii bein off topic im always like that im just that random. Anyways Jesus is coming soon im gonna shutup now so yeh pce ppls!
Written by: dagtan, 12 Nov 2009 12:16 AM
From: United States, New York City
misshaiti, please be clear, the more I try to decipher your comments, the more I get confused. One thing you should know is that your frame of mind when it comes to Dominicans is distorted by your pastor, therefore, please do not listen to him/her when they are talking about the issue in hispaniola.

Instead of all this threatening with God, a God that belongs to all us may I remind you. Why don't you say, lets work this out without more bloodshed and magnification of hatred between the people. Your rhetoric simply hands the victory over to the radicals on both side of the fence. There is people in the DR that love to say "told you so" and there is those in haiti that also love to to say "told you so, they hate us and we are the victims". This can not go on, if we all want to end the very thing that is making everyone on this post jump into the gutter.
Written by: misshaiti, 12 Nov 2009 11:19 AM
From: United States
I'm not threatening you with god im just saying jesus is coming soon and for us to be ready. And my pastor tells me nothing about this and he's from saint vincent and he loves everyone just like me im not going to threaten a place just because of what I've heard has been happening. I meen thats shallow really shallow. Why can't we all just along thats all I meen. Should we really be arguing over this why not just tell the haitians you dont want them there and to try some place else instead of there being some dumb argument over it, try to solve the problem. If I offened anyone I'm sorry. Yeh thats what I meen dagtan person.
Written by: n109pierre, 13 Nov 2009 9:58 AM
From: United States
We all need to just get along with one another, although there is a great sentimental towards haitians
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 13 Nov 2009 1:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente

Atabey

yo vivo bajo la creencia de que nosotros devemos de mirar hacia nuestros supuestos lideres y demandar respuestas a esta problematica, porque como es posible que a esta altura del juego todavia no se implemente una politica migratoria de acuerdo a la realidad que se vive en el pais hoy en dia.
El establecimiento militar, la policia y demas cuerpos de seguridad del estado son tan corruptos que hacen a uno pensar si sera cierto que exciste una conspiracion par integrar la isla, es bien sabido que las altas dirigencias del gobierno estan a la venta y todo el mundo tiene su precio, tambien tiene uno que preguntarse si la nueva constitucion fue diseñada para facilitar dicho proceso.
Donde hay mas preguntas que respuestas siempre hay gato entre macuto.
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