Fourth in a series by special correspondent Tommy Trenchard
Gonaives, Haiti.- Haiti is not a pleasant place to be a child. While over two thirds of the country’s inhabitants are estimated to be living below the poverty line it is the young who suffer most. The figures make for grim reading. With an under-five mortality rate of 120 in every 1,000 live births over 10% of Haitians never see their 5th birthday. A shocking 40% of children under ten have no access to basic health services and over half of those under five suffer from anemia or malnutrition. On top of this the UN estimates that 17,000 Haitian children are living with HIV/AIDS, and hundreds of thousands in conditions of slavery.
The state is incapable of providing these children with the protection and support they so desperately require. State institutions from the National Police to the Judicial and corrections systems are unable to effectively face up to the enormous challenges the country now faces. With little effective policing children have become attractive targets for a wide array of criminal acts. The UN reports that in the last six months 84 were the victims of rape cases while human trafficking and abuse of all sorts remain prevalent.
Inevitably in such conditions many children, with so little to lose, have turned to crime themselves. Those that get caught end up in horrendously overcrowded prisons where they languish, in some cases for years, before standing trial. Of 332 minors in detention at the time of the UN’s last report to the Security Council a staggering 284 had yet to face trial. The United Nations has worked hard in conjunction with Haitian security forces to resolve the problem and charities like UNICEF, who offer free legal advice to children also play their part but alone there is little they can do.
To compound these problems is the issue of children involved in armed conflict, a legacy of Haiti’s recent upheavals. Minors are exploited by myriad criminal groups who use them in kidnappings, lootings and gun-running operations as well as at roadblocks and protests and even the attempt to breach the presidential palace last spring. During the conflict children were recruited by multiple armed groups and put to a variety of uses. In one particularly macabre case children were equipped with replica weapons and sent to approach UN checkpoints brandishing them in an attempt to spark violence and civil unrest.
However since the cessation of open hostilities in the country focus has returned to a problem that has plagued Haiti for years: the phenomenon of ‘Restaveks’. In what can only be described as a form of slavery children from impoverished families are given away by their parents to work in another household. The hope for parents is that the child will receive an education and have a better life than they could have had at home but in reality the restaveks usually spend their days in hard labour for which they are not paid, they are denied an education and suffer frequent abuse. UNICEF estimates that there are up to 300,000 restavek children currently living in domestic servitude despite Haiti’s adoption of two UN resolutions banning child labour. Of these, figures suggest that over half have been physically or sexually abused.
Part of the problem is the country’s dysfunctional education system which lies in tatters after decades of poverty and conflict. Only about half of primary-school-age children attend school and according to a devastating report by the United Nations Children’s Fund, less than 2% finish secondary school. For many families the problem is an economic one. While state schools are supposed to be free many parents simply struggle to pay for books and uniforms for their children. Others are kept at home to work for their parents, exacerbating the vicious cycle of poverty gripping rural Haiti.
Efforts are being made to address the problem both by the Haitian government and the international community. Ironically the state already has several institutions in place that should prevent such abuse of children’s rights. There has for example, been a special Children’s Tribunal in Port au Prince ever since 1961 yet minors continue to waste away behind bars waiting to face trial. The Haitian National Police (PNH) has also been working to rectify the problem by building up its Child Protection Brigade with the help of UNICEF and the United Nations Mission for the Stabilization of Haiti (MINUSTAH) who recently trained 70 more officers. The UN in particular has taken significant steps towards improving the situation including the creation of a special Child Protection Unit within their own structure, whose job it is to monitor the current situation and offer advice and support to the Haitian authorities. They have also been working to provide extra support for children who have been victims of sexual abuse.
But despite these efforts the systematic neglect of children’s rights in Haiti remains chronic and is a direct contravention of the UN Convention on Children’s Rights which the country ratified in 1994. How long must the children of Haiti wait before their government steps up to the challenges it set itself by adopting the convention and puts an end to the suffering?
If you want to help Unicef in their fight against injustice in Haiti please follow the link below:
http://www.supportunicef.org/site/pp.asp?c=9fLEJSOALpE&b=1023561
Ed. Note: Tommy Trenchard toured several areas of Haiti with units of the United Nations Peacekeeping Force MINUSTAH.
Written by: tejada, 10 Dec 2009 12:05 PM
From: United States
oh boy...
Written by: vacanos, 10 Dec 2009 12:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Si no nos pongamos las pilas ese es nuestro futuro
Written by: vacanos, 10 Dec 2009 12:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
And then people wonder why the evil Jesuit, human rights and the international NGO and pro-Haitian want to move the entire Haitian population living in Haiti to DR.
Written by: xwill7, 10 Dec 2009 12:08 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
se jodio RD
Written by: Belly, 10 Dec 2009 12:09 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Editor
Thank you for such a good article. This is one of those topics i have talked about a lot in the forums and some even said i was trying to degrade Haiti by saying that but as we can see the fact that these kids are living like this is something that everybody should take seriously because how can you change the present situation if the future is getting sold on the streets as slaves for as little as US$20.00. This has to be one of the center of importance if Haiti is to ever get off the ground as a country. If these practices are not fixed quick then there is no way for Haiti to move forward. In some cases this kids are given away by parents due to poverty with the hope of giving their kids a better life but most of the time they end up in worse situations than they were living with the parents. Anyways great article and this subject needs a lot more attention than it gets by the general media.
From: United States, Brooklyn
No worries Haitiasn DR will solve all your problems...
Where is Josean by the way?
From: Dominican Republic
No many of usual ranters are talking today, huh?
If this was in the DR there would be 3000 post comments already, I wonder how they are going to tag this article up as DR's fault.
But, you know what is really sad?... that while this kids and Haitians in general are starving to death, some of the Haitian 'elites' thrive in the confort of their homes OUTSIDE haiti pretending to be .... intellectual and ... sophisticated.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Some of those children are patdiamond and josean kids.
that's a topic they don't wanna talk about
Written by: msjersey, 10 Dec 2009 3:05 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
This is a sad situation, these kids are paying for the sins of their government, and they are not willing to do anything for the future of these kids; now the haitians that come to this forum to talk empty words from their confortable home outside of haiti, why don't you do something for your own
people instead of coming to this forum with your empty words, and blaming and hoping that my beatiful D.R. be the solution to your problems?
Remember, you will never accomplish anything by criticizing D.R. go to haiti and fight those running your country.
May GOD help us all.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Dec 2009 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jarabacoa throws the gasoline and the games begin..
Written by: msjersey, 10 Dec 2009 3:47 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Jarabacoa,
my uncle's dog is more dominican that what you claim to be, and we're gonna unite haiti to somalia.
From: United States, Reality Check
This is beyond a failed state. The French Gov should step up along with other European nations that colonized nations. Secondarily, the US should step up and assist via the UN because we allow a pupet to run (rob) the country into the ditch.
There will never-ever be a united DR-Haiti, "two wrongs" will never make a right. This forced unification is like ... walking through HELL with gasoline draws (underwear) on!
The Dominican people will NOT accept it, many Americans and other foreign tourist (revenue source) who love the Dominican culture will not accept it. However, for those of you who need some realm of hope to wish for a united Hispanola then continue to wish for it (but it will never happen).
Just focus and fix the problem (Haiti itself). Bring in low-skilled manufacturing jobs and us the free trade agreements to get jobs back from Asia. They will get products to the US, Canada & EU faster and cheaper. Create tax incentives to create jobs along the border.
Written by: xwill7, 10 Dec 2009 4:26 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
jarabacoa is a hatian in hiding
Written by: msjersey, 10 Dec 2009 4:38 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
mejia too, is f**** haitian.
Written by: Belly, 10 Dec 2009 4:43 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Jarabacoa and iMejia
You both are confuse the new constitution says education for all not Nationality or birth certificate please make sure you read the text before derailing a good article with non-sense that is simply not true.
Written by: lmejia, 10 Dec 2009 4:44 PM
From: Canada, Toronto
:)
Why am I not surprised...then again I pretty much expected it!! How predictable some people are!! lol
Written by: rsosua, 10 Dec 2009 4:58 PM
From: Canada
Wow the problem will be resolved if we Dominican Agreed with Haitian and united the Island
the Fxxxing problem is that we don;t have to United no Fxxing Island,we are Dominican and they are Haitian,Same as Fxxing American Are American and Mjicanos Are Mejicanos,The Haitians that are leaving In France/Canada/USA should fix their Country Problem instead of leaving Large with the Haitian money,Dominican Republic is for the Dominican Peoples and Before taking time to Help Haiti we Should help first our own peoples and Country,please don;t now say that i;m racist because i;m not i;m just saying what i think is our right as Dominican.
thanks
rsosua
Written by: Atabey, 10 Dec 2009 5:33 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pepe32,
Something tells me that PatDiamond, Patchko, and Oupala07 aren't going to like this report.
"...[T]he phenomenon of ‘Restaveks’. In what can only be described as a form of slavery children from impoverished families are given away by their parents to work in another household."
"Only about half of primary-school-age children attend school and according to a devastating report by the United Nations Children’s Fund, less than 2% finish secondary school."
"But despite these efforts the systematic neglect of children’s rights in Haiti remains chronic and is a direct contravention of the UN Convention on Children’s Rights which the country ratified in 1994."
How long must the children of Haiti wait before their government steps up to the challenges it set
itself by adopting the convention and puts an end to the suffering?"
I wonder how many times people have confused Dominicans for, in reality, illegal in-transit Haitians and their off-spring?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Atabey
while this might be the biggest scoop on DT today this is no secret to the world. Even Opera have done special on this. Yes it is one of the saddest ills in our society. I do not wear my flag on my shoulder,I'm a human being first. However judging by the reaction of you and your cohorts on this issue you just simply exude your true colors. It is what in the francophone world is called an arriviste. I used to misinterpreted it, simply as just being arrogant and ignorant.
Written by: antonioj, 10 Dec 2009 7:12 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Bottom line having 5 children is irresponsible, creating misery is a crime, the most pressuring threat to DR is at the rate the haitians keep multiplying and proverty, unless someone in postion of power from the east realize that and take concrete action instead of paying lips service while aboard.
1. Stop the exploitation, or the flow of cheap labor to the east
2. Encourage a system where haitian mother given birth on your side are sterelized
3. Transfer of know how
4. Make it clear to the haitian gov the need for family planning
These are not very costly, but are steps in the right direction.
Some of the commentaries are uncalled for and childidsh, "xwill7" you should grow up, child slavery or exploitation exist all over the world from india even in DR to a very lesser extent.
Written by: telemeco, 10 Dec 2009 7:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
You can keep trowing money to haiti, the rich will take it,,,,haitian population is too big,,,for the size of the country,,,,france you take at list 5 million out haiti to let those 4 million stay behind could survive.
Written by: Botemon, 10 Dec 2009 7:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Isabella
Many people, countries and organizations have tried to “make change” with respect Haiti’s woes for many decades. The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions. I am a firm believer that “change comes from within”. We all wish we had a magic wand to wave and make it all go away, but we cannot save the world! Msjersy makes some very valid points about the Haitian leadership. Good Leadership from within is key. It will not happen overnight. The process is slow and tedious to change a culture. A couple months ago a new Haitian leader was appointed, and a whole bunch of folks liked what he had to say. Maybe its time for him to stand up to his principles (rhetoric?). All the money in the world will not solve the problems. It must come from within!
From: United States
this is sad.
From: United States
First of all, it is not the responsibility of the Dominican Republic to fix Haiti's problems especially at the expense of the remarkable progress it has made in the last few decades. Dominicans for the most part are still poor and should not have to be burdened with the responsibility of solving Haiti's problems. The two countries may share a common border, but they have stark cultural differences. None of us has the solutions to Haiti's problems. The problems are beyond overwhelming. The developed world needs to step up to the plate and help Haiti help itself. Those Haitians who have managed to either be born into the good life or climb their way out of poverty have more obligation to help Haiti than any Dominican does. As a mother it tears at my heart to think of innocent children growing up in this environment. God help Haiti and it's children!
Written by: Botemon, 10 Dec 2009 10:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Isabella
stefano. Agreed. Your thoughts are right on target!
From: United States
The key to Haiti being able to provide for it's people is in reforestation. The downfall of modern society is that we have become too detached from nature. We don't respect nature anymore. We destroy the environment for the sake of living a convenient materialistic life. Instead of destroying the land for the love of money, the Haitians should reforest and live off the land like the Tainos did before European settlers arrived. Nature at it's most vibrant provides everything a human being needs to survive. The ultimate purpose of life is to survive. Being completely self-sufficient (hunting and gathering) your own food in wilderness beats the heck out of living in the filth and squalor of a slum like Cite-Soleil and starving to death.
From: United States
antonio whats up???? been a while!!!!
From: United States
the church nothing. church is only for spiritual nourishment!
Written by: msjersey, 11 Dec 2009 9:19 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Written by: antonioj, 11 Dec 2009 9:27 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: MIRABUENO, 11 Dec 2009 7:02 AM
From: United States, Looks good,Feels good, Smells good. El Guapito
antonio whats up???? been a while!!!!
"
Yes indeed it's been awhile, nice to hear from you primo, what's up in NY land.
Written by: CaptRob, 11 Dec 2009 11:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
One suggestion. Lets see they sell the children for 20 dollars. Why not pay the parents to be voluntary sterilized. No more children. I know it will not solve the problem but, you have to start somewhere.
Written by: Banana, 11 Dec 2009 12:24 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
MSJERSEY
You can talk till you're blue in the face all you want and it won't change any facts.
Fact is, Haiti is a ticking time bomb. What's the DR going to do when it goes off? Your complaint of their being born in the DR at an alarming rate is already the time bomb going off and the result of many failed systems.
So quit talking and do something. And quit dividing humanity with superficial lines of government, country and culture.
YOU DON'T WANT THE PROBLEM, BUT GUESS WHAT? IT IS YOUR PROBLEM AND ALL YOUR CALOUSED COMMENTS WON'T CHANGE THE WORLD.
The forum actually started out decently. . .guess the wolves came out to feed. Always hungry, they never get enough to eat either. Oh the irony. . .
Written by: lmejia, 11 Dec 2009 1:24 PM
From: Canada, Toronto
Dear Belly!
Thank you for your honesty but my post was in response to what was posted by Jarabacoa and MsJersey not the article! :)
My apologies for going off topic but not for what I said!
Written by: Bubbles, 11 Dec 2009 1:49 PM
From: Canada
Is very sad indeep that things like this are still happening today
Written by: msjersey, 11 Dec 2009 2:49 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
BANANA= another frustrated haitian talking from outside his slum.
Written by: Banana, 11 Dec 2009 4:38 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Goodness, msjersey, I'll give you enough respect to give you a tip, and then throw out whatever you want-- I'll focus on the more constructive things in life. . .
You can spew all your egocentric, narrow-minded put-downs and it will never change the world. Don't you realize how childish namecalling is just b/c you don't like what the facts are?
There are 4 types of people:
1--those who give everything they have to anyone and everyone (materialism has nothing to do w/ it)
2--those who can honestly look at their self-centeredness and try to give what they can
3--those who take
4--those who not only take, but hoard and are so deceptive they deceive themselves the most.
Since this isn't really about the topic anymore, and since you absolutely can't even surmise or take note of who you're talking to or what its about, I'll stop.
You're in America, maybe, but you definitely still have an island mentality.
KNOW TRUTH
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Dec 2009 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This topic is about HAITIAN children in HAITI and the abuses that HAITIANS commit on their own youth so why is everyone off topic bringing in DR into this??
Whenever Haitians complain about the treatment they receive in DR issues like this would make a more decent people remain quiet from shame ...but not the Haitians .They can kill,maim,abuse,rape and starve their people but if anything happens to a Haitian in DR it MUST BE RACISM and it becomes an international incident with the dog Sonia Pierre leading the pack!
Why don't they make a movie about the horrible abuses in Haiti? I am fed up with the Haitians in DR and in this forum who have enough to deal with yet they come into our spaces just to crap on DR even when it is obvious that most of their countrymen would prefer the much criticized DR to the place formerly known as Haiti.
Written by: Banana, 11 Dec 2009 5:03 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Pepe--
I can empathize with your frustration, but read my first post.
The DR can't choose whether or not they want to deal with this problem. It's a problem that won't go away, no matter how much you try to wish it away. It's really not a very big island, and the more people live in inhumane conditions (either side) the smaller it will get.
Do you think a country as abusive, problematic, and dysfunctional as Haiti is going to stay on "their side" of the fence? No way. . .it's a petri dish just waiting to get out of hand. You--the Dominicans--have a problem on your hands. Note, I didn't say you caused it. Problems don't care who started it.
So, what's the DR going to do about it since the Haitians don't seem to be able to?
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Dec 2009 5:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As a Dominican and considering Dominican best interests we need to militarize the border because we definitely cannot let the Haitians do to DR what they have done to Haiti and while it is very sad the more powerful and rich nations should step up ...especially France that caused this whole disaster we know as Haiti.
The large numbers already in the country should be sent back except for those legally in the country and those who can show useful skills (to DR). The Dominican army has no real role anyhow except for Haiti and the drug trade so the whole border should be fortified and anyone allowing any infiltration should be court martialed tried for treason and summarily executed .
The spill over from Haiti if nothing is done will be like the apocalypse .Unfortunately we have a president without character so things will have to approach a state of war for the military to get involved and protect our sovereignty.
Written by: Belly, 11 Dec 2009 5:35 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Back to the subject. Child slavery in Haiti has nothing to do with DR. Is funny that every time i talked about this subject in the forums it always some how DR ends up showing up in the conversation. The subject is simple here child slavery IN HAITI.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Dec 2009 7:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Belly ,I let them lead me down the same path which somehow distracts from the fact that the problem is HAITI...we are only collateral damage!
Written by: Belly, 11 Dec 2009 8:03 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Pepe
Es mejor mantenecer en el titulo y hablar del problema pa que no nos toque la cuava a nosotros por que en todo lo que yo e hablado de este tema siempre me quieren voltear la torta y cambiar la conversasion por la que ya todo conocemos como la famosa carta de la raza.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Dec 2009 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lo entiendo compatriota,ellos no aprenden ni a golpes!
From: United States
"what's up in NY land" try 900 miles west!! LOLOL everything is cool though
Written by: oupala07 
, 11 Dec 2009 10:08 PM
From: Canada
I don't think the DominicanToday will ever present an article that will showcase a good image of Haiti. It is understandable: the DominicanToday is a Web site that promotes the Dominican Republic even if it must try to hide the twisted truth with good comestic and stealthy words and expressions. And to enhance that image, what better idea than to compare it to a fail state that is rottening nearby.
Yes! We have that quasi slavery problem in our hand, and the reason why we still have it, is the same one for which your gouvernment does not want to recognize black Haitians born on its soil. Everything is a question of human and civil rights.
The Haitians politicians do not want to vote laws and regulations in order to protect those kids, because they will have to obey to those same laws and regulations, and God knows that they father so many kids.
The Dominican is not different from the Haitian in that fashion.
Written by: oupala07 
, 11 Dec 2009 10:13 PM
From: Canada
The same way the Haitian government is violating those kids civil rights is the same way your government is violating the civil rights of poor blacks and/or poor Haitians living on its soil. Yeah! You're showing those poor kids of ours, right. Why don't you show and present an article about how you the Dominicans treat the Haitians who are born on your soil and in your concentration camps a.k.a. bateys?
As I already said, have at least the gut to publish it when it cast the truth to your face. We are taking it in the chin because we are man enough to do just that, but you don't expect us not to react for stinking bomb like this one.
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
Oupala07,
You are trying to go accross the ocean dans une chaloupe remplie de fissures.
Grow up buddy!
Written by: Belly, 12 Dec 2009 12:08 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Oupala07
Out of the almost 1,000 words in the article that is being discussed here not one time did the editor/article mentions Dominican Republic how do you make the connection to blame it on us. Being on denial is not going to solve the problem. Now back to the subject "Child slave (in) Haiti" do you know of any progress you or any other compatriots of yours is making so this problem goes away. How are you planning on putting the or help who ever leads a plan with a solution to this. I'm sure all Dominicans here wish you the best in fixing this problem to setup Haiti for a better future.
Written by: Atabey, 12 Dec 2009 10:58 AM
From: United States, NYC
Belly,
I've had this discussion with Pepe32. Oupala07 is incorrigible and no amount of factual evidence
will sway him from his condition.
If you must, just tell Oupala07 to read Jean H. Charles at Caribbean News Net.
Written by: msjersey, 12 Dec 2009 4:56 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Your own government failed you oupala, go fight them if you so brave like you said you are. I wish you luck buddy, otherwise STFU and stay confortable in Canada, cause blaming D.R. does not do you any good.
They rather live in the bateyes than in haiti; if the situation is so hard in D.R. they are free to go back. I live in Jersey and thank GOD I have a good job, but if things go sour and I have to go back to D.R. I would go back, and yes, I know they go through hardship every day, but they are in D.R. by choice, because staying in haiti is even worse, so cry me a river from your confortable Canada.
Written by: Pepe32, 16 Dec 2009 3:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala is a real nut job and he obviously has no life,let him show his true feelings towards us so that even the traitors among us might see that Haitians deep down don't love us and will only be humble when we are stronger than they are .
If you want peace ,prepare for war!
This issue should be at the forefront of the next election and all 3 major parties should come to a national agreement to stop the threat posed by our neighbours to the west.
Written by: Banana, 16 Dec 2009 4:07 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Read if you care and if you don't, don't bother:
Namecalling is so unbecoming.
Let people speak without calling them nutjobs and names. There is more than one perspective in this world. Difficult to imagine if you're egotistical.
Oupala--I wouldn't agree that this paper uses "stealthy words." Lol! Don't know why I bother except hoping for "good news." If only. With attitudes that pervade on this forum it's not surprising why. Like I said, don't know why I bother.
There are real victims out there. Don't think anyone here has lived outside the lap of luxury. There would be a little more perspective, open-mindedness, concern and humanity towards others if people here suffered like the ones in the article .
Too bad people can't infer and draw conclusions. Just because an article doesn't specifically state something word for word doesn't mean they aren't related topics. Speaking of--here we see an extremely lacking educational system at play. A vicious circle
From: Canada, Montreal
There is nothing to blame on the Dominican Republic for Haiti´s problems. But there are great organizations in The Dominican Republic helping and finding solutions for the problems affecting Haiti. A great one is Mosctha, I volunteer for them for about a month.
Visit their website for more information www.mosctha.org
Written by: oupala07 
, 26 Dec 2009 3:44 PM
From: Canada
Well, you talk and write about our child slaves, but why don't you talk about the incest problem that is plaguing your society. How many young teen aged girls have been raped by their father and whose cases are usually broomed under the rug? How many teen aged girls have been forced by their parents to prostitute themselves? How many of them have been sold as sex slaves? We know all that in Haiti, but it is not our godamn' business, and you won't ever see these kind of articles and topics on our web sites and our Newspapers. Why? Because we Haitians are too proud to smear others.
Keep posting crap about our country and our people, because I know what to published about you on the Internet, and we shall see who will have the best publicity stunt.
Written by: oupala07 
, 26 Dec 2009 3:54 PM
From: Canada
"There is nothing to blame on the Dominican Republic for Haiti´s problems"
Then, where did the rebel invasion force came from? Maybe they swam from florida to Haiti. You work for them, it is quite normal, as the average Haitian does, to defend the enemy that reward him. Alexandre Petion, before rallying to Dessalines, was an artillery officer in the Napoleon invasion forces. People like you are legion among our population. Why do you think we still have an occupation mercenary army on our soil? Because most Haitians are exactly like them, and I mean mercenary who are ready to sell their soul to the whites in order to enjoy their favours. Now, it is not the white anymore it is the so called mixed Tainos.
From: Canada, Montreal
Hey I was just a volunteer. I was able to visit Haiti and saw the real situation out there. If you are from Haiti you know what is going on with big corporations controlling the government. I love the people of Haiti because 99% of the population are hustlers trying to feed their families.
Written by: oupala07 
, 26 Dec 2009 5:38 PM
From: Canada
"If you are from Haiti you know what is going on with big corporations controlling the government"
Who, according to you is controlling the Dominican Republic? Grass roots Dominican entrepreneurs? Well, we, in Haiti, still possess the constitutionnal rights to our shorelines, our lakes, rivers, beaches and other public facilities. Do you?
Back home, giving access to private property to Corporations does not mean kicking the peasants out from their land. Aristide has tried that, and I don't think other Heads of State will ever tried to make such a mistake again.
We are poor socially and economically, but we don't hide it and we don't tolerate other "would be wealthy" to come to try to slur and tease us about it, while they are not better off than us.
Written by: oupala07 
, 26 Dec 2009 5:48 PM
From: Canada
You can keep hiding the facts, they will show up one day in broad daylight, because slums in city grow to the rate of the masses porverty, and poor people, you have tremendously a huge population over there. I think the DominicanToday should come out with articles that weep over the Dominican republic masses, which are not much well off than those of Haiti accorcing to the World Bank Statistics, and not publishing degrading articles about Haiti and its people. We are poor with no investments from anybody, and you are poor with a lot foreign investment. We are the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, and you despite all your great "façade" your people are the third poorest in the Western Hemisphere. Where have those 60 billions dollars of GDP gone?
Keep fooling yourself and your people, and continue to deviate their mind from their real economic world by trashing Haiti and by telling them nice little economic stories, while the kitten is sleeping on their kitchen stove
Thank you for such a good article. This is one of those topics i have talked about a lot in the forums and some even said i was trying to degrade Haiti by saying that but as we can see the fact that these kids are living like this is something that everybody should take seriously because how can you change the present situation if the future is getting sold on the streets as slaves for as little as US$20.00. This has to be one of the center of importance if Haiti is to ever get off the ground as a country. If these practices are not fixed quick then there is no way for Haiti to move forward. In some cases this kids are given away by parents due to poverty with the hope of giving their kids a better life but most of the time they end up in worse situations than they were living with the parents. Anyways great article and this subject needs a lot more attention than it gets by the general media.
No worries Haitiasn DR will solve all your problems...
Where is Josean by the way?
If this was in the DR there would be 3000 post comments already, I wonder how they are going to tag this article up as DR's fault.
But, you know what is really sad?... that while this kids and Haitians in general are starving to death, some of the Haitian 'elites' thrive in the confort of their homes OUTSIDE haiti pretending to be .... intellectual and ... sophisticated.
Some of those children are patdiamond and josean kids.
that's a topic they don't wanna talk about
people instead of coming to this forum with your empty words, and blaming and hoping that my beatiful D.R. be the solution to your problems?
Remember, you will never accomplish anything by criticizing D.R. go to haiti and fight those running your country.
May GOD help us all.
my uncle's dog is more dominican that what you claim to be, and we're gonna unite haiti to somalia.
There will never-ever be a united DR-Haiti, "two wrongs" will never make a right. This forced unification is like ... walking through HELL with gasoline draws (underwear) on!
The Dominican people will NOT accept it, many Americans and other foreign tourist (revenue source) who love the Dominican culture will not accept it. However, for those of you who need some realm of hope to wish for a united Hispanola then continue to wish for it (but it will never happen).
Just focus and fix the problem (Haiti itself). Bring in low-skilled manufacturing jobs and us the free trade agreements to get jobs back from Asia. They will get products to the US, Canada & EU faster and cheaper. Create tax incentives to create jobs along the border.
You both are confuse the new constitution says education for all not Nationality or birth certificate please make sure you read the text before derailing a good article with non-sense that is simply not true.
Why am I not surprised...then again I pretty much expected it!! How predictable some people are!! lol
the Fxxxing problem is that we don;t have to United no Fxxing Island,we are Dominican and they are Haitian,Same as Fxxing American Are American and Mjicanos Are Mejicanos,The Haitians that are leaving In France/Canada/USA should fix their Country Problem instead of leaving Large with the Haitian money,Dominican Republic is for the Dominican Peoples and Before taking time to Help Haiti we Should help first our own peoples and Country,please don;t now say that i;m racist because i;m not i;m just saying what i think is our right as Dominican.
thanks
rsosua
Something tells me that PatDiamond, Patchko, and Oupala07 aren't going to like this report.
"...[T]he phenomenon of ‘Restaveks’. In what can only be described as a form of slavery children from impoverished families are given away by their parents to work in another household."
"Only about half of primary-school-age children attend school and according to a devastating report by the United Nations Children’s Fund, less than 2% finish secondary school."
"But despite these efforts the systematic neglect of children’s rights in Haiti remains chronic and is a direct contravention of the UN Convention on Children’s Rights which the country ratified in 1994."
How long must the children of Haiti wait before their government steps up to the challenges it set
itself by adopting the convention and puts an end to the suffering?"
I wonder how many times people have confused Dominicans for, in reality, illegal in-transit Haitians and their off-spring?
while this might be the biggest scoop on DT today this is no secret to the world. Even Opera have done special on this. Yes it is one of the saddest ills in our society. I do not wear my flag on my shoulder,I'm a human being first. However judging by the reaction of you and your cohorts on this issue you just simply exude your true colors. It is what in the francophone world is called an arriviste. I used to misinterpreted it, simply as just being arrogant and ignorant.
1. Stop the exploitation, or the flow of cheap labor to the east
2. Encourage a system where haitian mother given birth on your side are sterelized
3. Transfer of know how
4. Make it clear to the haitian gov the need for family planning
These are not very costly, but are steps in the right direction.
Some of the commentaries are uncalled for and childidsh, "xwill7" you should grow up, child slavery or exploitation exist all over the world from india even in DR to a very lesser extent.
You can keep trowing money to haiti, the rich will take it,,,,haitian population is too big,,,for the size of the country,,,,france you take at list 5 million out haiti to let those 4 million stay behind could survive.
http://www.listindiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=124530
This is for the haitian attacking us from every angle.
DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEED YOU IGNORANT BASTARDS!
Good thing TRUJILLO is dead.
From: United States, Looks good,Feels good, Smells good. El Guapito
antonio whats up???? been a while!!!!
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Yes indeed it's been awhile, nice to hear from you primo, what's up in NY land.
MSJERSEY
You can talk till you're blue in the face all you want and it won't change any facts.
Fact is, Haiti is a ticking time bomb. What's the DR going to do when it goes off? Your complaint of their being born in the DR at an alarming rate is already the time bomb going off and the result of many failed systems.
So quit talking and do something. And quit dividing humanity with superficial lines of government, country and culture.
YOU DON'T WANT THE PROBLEM, BUT GUESS WHAT? IT IS YOUR PROBLEM AND ALL YOUR CALOUSED COMMENTS WON'T CHANGE THE WORLD.
The forum actually started out decently. . .guess the wolves came out to feed. Always hungry, they never get enough to eat either. Oh the irony. . .
Thank you for your honesty but my post was in response to what was posted by Jarabacoa and MsJersey not the article! :)
My apologies for going off topic but not for what I said!
You can spew all your egocentric, narrow-minded put-downs and it will never change the world. Don't you realize how childish namecalling is just b/c you don't like what the facts are?
There are 4 types of people:
1--those who give everything they have to anyone and everyone (materialism has nothing to do w/ it)
2--those who can honestly look at their self-centeredness and try to give what they can
3--those who take
4--those who not only take, but hoard and are so deceptive they deceive themselves the most.
Since this isn't really about the topic anymore, and since you absolutely can't even surmise or take note of who you're talking to or what its about, I'll stop.
You're in America, maybe, but you definitely still have an island mentality.
KNOW TRUTH
Whenever Haitians complain about the treatment they receive in DR issues like this would make a more decent people remain quiet from shame ...but not the Haitians .They can kill,maim,abuse,rape and starve their people but if anything happens to a Haitian in DR it MUST BE RACISM and it becomes an international incident with the dog Sonia Pierre leading the pack!
Why don't they make a movie about the horrible abuses in Haiti? I am fed up with the Haitians in DR and in this forum who have enough to deal with yet they come into our spaces just to crap on DR even when it is obvious that most of their countrymen would prefer the much criticized DR to the place formerly known as Haiti.
I can empathize with your frustration, but read my first post.
The DR can't choose whether or not they want to deal with this problem. It's a problem that won't go away, no matter how much you try to wish it away. It's really not a very big island, and the more people live in inhumane conditions (either side) the smaller it will get.
Do you think a country as abusive, problematic, and dysfunctional as Haiti is going to stay on "their side" of the fence? No way. . .it's a petri dish just waiting to get out of hand. You--the Dominicans--have a problem on your hands. Note, I didn't say you caused it. Problems don't care who started it.
So, what's the DR going to do about it since the Haitians don't seem to be able to?
The large numbers already in the country should be sent back except for those legally in the country and those who can show useful skills (to DR). The Dominican army has no real role anyhow except for Haiti and the drug trade so the whole border should be fortified and anyone allowing any infiltration should be court martialed tried for treason and summarily executed .
The spill over from Haiti if nothing is done will be like the apocalypse .Unfortunately we have a president without character so things will have to approach a state of war for the military to get involved and protect our sovereignty.
Es mejor mantenecer en el titulo y hablar del problema pa que no nos toque la cuava a nosotros por que en todo lo que yo e hablado de este tema siempre me quieren voltear la torta y cambiar la conversasion por la que ya todo conocemos como la famosa carta de la raza.
Yes! We have that quasi slavery problem in our hand, and the reason why we still have it, is the same one for which your gouvernment does not want to recognize black Haitians born on its soil. Everything is a question of human and civil rights.
The Haitians politicians do not want to vote laws and regulations in order to protect those kids, because they will have to obey to those same laws and regulations, and God knows that they father so many kids.
The Dominican is not different from the Haitian in that fashion.
As I already said, have at least the gut to publish it when it cast the truth to your face. We are taking it in the chin because we are man enough to do just that, but you don't expect us not to react for stinking bomb like this one.
You are trying to go accross the ocean dans une chaloupe remplie de fissures.
Grow up buddy!
Out of the almost 1,000 words in the article that is being discussed here not one time did the editor/article mentions Dominican Republic how do you make the connection to blame it on us. Being on denial is not going to solve the problem. Now back to the subject "Child slave (in) Haiti" do you know of any progress you or any other compatriots of yours is making so this problem goes away. How are you planning on putting the or help who ever leads a plan with a solution to this. I'm sure all Dominicans here wish you the best in fixing this problem to setup Haiti for a better future.
I've had this discussion with Pepe32. Oupala07 is incorrigible and no amount of factual evidence
will sway him from his condition.
If you must, just tell Oupala07 to read Jean H. Charles at Caribbean News Net.
They rather live in the bateyes than in haiti; if the situation is so hard in D.R. they are free to go back. I live in Jersey and thank GOD I have a good job, but if things go sour and I have to go back to D.R. I would go back, and yes, I know they go through hardship every day, but they are in D.R. by choice, because staying in haiti is even worse, so cry me a river from your confortable Canada.
If you want peace ,prepare for war!
This issue should be at the forefront of the next election and all 3 major parties should come to a national agreement to stop the threat posed by our neighbours to the west.
Read if you care and if you don't, don't bother:
Namecalling is so unbecoming.
Let people speak without calling them nutjobs and names. There is more than one perspective in this world. Difficult to imagine if you're egotistical.
Oupala--I wouldn't agree that this paper uses "stealthy words." Lol! Don't know why I bother except hoping for "good news." If only. With attitudes that pervade on this forum it's not surprising why. Like I said, don't know why I bother.
There are real victims out there. Don't think anyone here has lived outside the lap of luxury. There would be a little more perspective, open-mindedness, concern and humanity towards others if people here suffered like the ones in the article .
Too bad people can't infer and draw conclusions. Just because an article doesn't specifically state something word for word doesn't mean they aren't related topics. Speaking of--here we see an extremely lacking educational system at play. A vicious circle
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Keep posting crap about our country and our people, because I know what to published about you on the Internet, and we shall see who will have the best publicity stunt.
Then, where did the rebel invasion force came from? Maybe they swam from florida to Haiti. You work for them, it is quite normal, as the average Haitian does, to defend the enemy that reward him. Alexandre Petion, before rallying to Dessalines, was an artillery officer in the Napoleon invasion forces. People like you are legion among our population. Why do you think we still have an occupation mercenary army on our soil? Because most Haitians are exactly like them, and I mean mercenary who are ready to sell their soul to the whites in order to enjoy their favours. Now, it is not the white anymore it is the so called mixed Tainos.
Who, according to you is controlling the Dominican Republic? Grass roots Dominican entrepreneurs? Well, we, in Haiti, still possess the constitutionnal rights to our shorelines, our lakes, rivers, beaches and other public facilities. Do you?
Back home, giving access to private property to Corporations does not mean kicking the peasants out from their land. Aristide has tried that, and I don't think other Heads of State will ever tried to make such a mistake again.
We are poor socially and economically, but we don't hide it and we don't tolerate other "would be wealthy" to come to try to slur and tease us about it, while they are not better off than us.
Keep fooling yourself and your people, and continue to deviate their mind from their real economic world by trashing Haiti and by telling them nice little economic stories, while the kitten is sleeping on their kitchen stove