Washington.– The International Monetary Fund announced $36.6 million in
additional aid to Haiti to help the country cope with the
global economic slump and the effects of four hurricanes last year.
The IMF said the decision to increase financial assistance to the
poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere followed a fourth review of
Haiti's economic performance under the Washington-based institution's
Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility.
The IMF executive board approved the aid increase to 24.57 million
special drawing rights, equivalent to about $36.6 million, for Haiti
"to mitigate the negative effects caused by a series of hurricanes in
2008 as well as the global downturn," the IMF said.
Haiti was now eligible for immediate aid of $35.8 million, bringing total disbursements to about $136.1 million. "The Haitian authorities are to be commended for maintaining
macroeconomic stability and advancing with structural reforms during
2008, in spite of a succession of severe shocks to the economy,"
Takatoshi Kato, IMF deputy managing director, said.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
how are the ladrones going to divide this up ? I fear little of this will make an impact due to the corruption
Written by: etiennc, 15 Feb 2009 4:50 PM
From: United States
Those ladrones who have already picked up their houses in Florida, France , the Dominican Republic and made a deposit can now expect to finalize their closings
The money will soon end up in their pockets instead of buying food for the Haitian people.
" Haitian Authorities are to commended '
Say What ?
Say What ?
Written by: Jander, 15 Feb 2009 9:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"The Haitian authorities are to be commended for maintaining macroeconomic stability and advancing with structural reforms during 2008, in spite of a succession of severe shocks to the economy," Takatoshi Kato, IMF deputy managing director, said.
This is a good start little by little Haiti trying to climb out of that "crab barrel"
.
Written by: antonio1, 15 Feb 2009 9:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Come on guys/girls, corruption in Haiti is a thing of the past.
From: United States
"The Haitian authorities are to be commended for maintaining macroeconomic stability and advancing with structural reforms during 2008, in spite of a succession of severe shocks to the economy," Takatoshi Kato, IMF deputy managing director, said.
A good start for 2009. Haitians doing something to improve Haiti.
Written by: etiennc, 16 Feb 2009 7:01 AM
From: United States
Proud to be haitian , could you break down for the less intelligent people like me this concept
" Haitian authorities are to be commended for maintaining microeconomic stability..."
I do not want you to applaud a policy that you do not comprehend .
Oops sorry !
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 7:46 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
They should give the money directly to the religious and catholic charity organizations instead of the government that will use it for politicking.
35.8 million is a drop in the dark hole that Haiti is and they need at least a billion dollars to start to get out of the terrible economic situation that they are in, to try reforestation and build needed infrastructure works thorough out the countryside and fix and pave roads destroyed by years of neglect.
But something is better than nothing but 35 million is only a token to a miser country that will not solve anything, but will only eat for one day.
"Give the poor a fish and they will eat for one day, show them how to fish and they will eat forever"
The problem is that there is no fish in Haiti anymore and they have to be brought in from abroad.
Written by: Jander, 16 Feb 2009 9:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I think the key phrase is "this is a good start."
Receiving praise from the IMF is not a bad thing .
That 35 million may not sound like much and if you broke it down it would buy a Big Mac Combo for everyone. Haitians know better than anyone how to live on less.
If the money is used wisely it could be used for rebuilding some infrastructure.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
instead it will build a swimming pool in Miami for a rich Haitian or some other Ladrone
Written by: ateo1992 
, 16 Feb 2009 11:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
instead of wasting money sending AIDS to Haiti, why not try to fix the country and make it progress, it will be a long term investment!
Written by: josean, 16 Feb 2009 12:04 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 12:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
In other words, that would be 30,000 more haitians to exploit by the construction and Metro moguls here on the DR.
Written by: josean, 16 Feb 2009 12:32 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
It appears that way L!
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 12:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
What annoys me more about this, josean, is that the US gov. that deports them is the same one that applies the "dry-foot, wet-foot" amnesty to cubans, and the same one that, while with the left hand point fingers at the DR for its mistreatment of the haitians, with the right hand is patting the back of the same gov. that it's accusing. Such a contradictory policy is downright baffling if you ask me.
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 12:43 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Lautaro
We let's all hope that Saint Obama "the chosen one" will take note of this and offer solutions to this
contradictory and fragrantly discriminatory practice.
Discrimination is the key word to be used in this case, which is a red flag in the present administration that professes equality and evenness of criteria.
Written by: josean, 16 Feb 2009 1:02 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Like the professor states lets see if President Obama finds a more humane way to deal with undocumented aliens.
This could be a left over decision from the Goergie Bush days or pro Bush beaurocrats trying to embarrass the new administration or both!
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 1:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I wouldn't doubt it in the least, being the masters of dealing nasty and underhanded surprises that they are. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were aware (and part) of the Madoff ponzi scam.
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 1:30 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
josean
The correct link is:
http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/....cias/ordenan_salir_de_ee.uu._a_30,000_haitianos/533438
Anyway the Haitian government is claiming:
"there is no room for them, their papers are not in order,
we have been devastated by hurricanes"
and so on and so forth.
This really worries me when the time comes to send the ones illegally in DR back to Haiti.
Few of the Haitians that are in DR illegally bring haitian ID papers with them, this is one huge
difficulty in getting temporary ID's in DR, it is the fault of the Haitian authorities.
And the government is still snoozing on this very serious matter?
I was worried before now I won't be able to sleep well.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 1:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Unfortunately, general, the only way that our goverment will adopt a "ponerse las pilas" attitude about this matter is when a "slave rebellion" rears its ugly head, or worse, when the dominican populace gets fed up about this and reacts, violently as it happened on Guayubin and Neyba, or peacefully, as it happened a couple of weeks ago on Santiago. The typical philosophy of wanting to put the lock when the thief have already robbed the house.
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 2:11 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Lautaro
The Haitian problem is a huge time bomb waiting to explode.
And explode it will!... sooner than we imagine.
President Fernandez urgent action is required!, if you don't have the pants sir, to face this urgent responsibility immediately I will lend you a pair of my pants. Will size 36 long fit you?
Dominican Today will have me on the record saying this publicly, today February 16 TH, 2009.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 2:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
General,
I will leave you with the following phrase that the french philosopher Honoré Gabriel Riquetti, a.k.a the count of Mirabeau, said when referring to the colonists of Saint Domingue (Haiti) before the Revolution: "They live at the foot of the Vesuvius (the volcano) and they just don't know it", on this case, the construction and agrarian moguls and the people in the goverment. A quien le sirva el sombrero que se lo ponga.
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 2:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
General
Maybe we should send them to the PR's, that way they would be able to see "si el gas pela". LOL.
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 3:02 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Lautaro
What is the PR? Puerto Rico?
Written by: Lautaro, 16 Feb 2009 3:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The one and the sames, General. The PR's are always whining and complaining about us (although in some instances this whining is not at all unfounded), so we should make them the favour of sending them some of our haitian inmigrants to make them realize that we're not as bad as they are usually portraying us, LOL.
Seriously though, the only way we're going to make the world to pay attention to the problem is to make the problems that are plaguing Haiti a Caribbeanwide issue instead of only an Hispaniolan one, and unfortunately, that will only come when the other islands start to receive waves after waves of economic/political refugees as we're doing now. Sometimes I wonder if the region's indifference towards them would change if a commie movement were to seize power over there, cuz' right now they're more of a gulag than Cuba will ever be, in my humble opinion.
Written by: antonio1, 16 Feb 2009 7:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Haiti is saying "No" to the United States . The Caribbean country is blocking the U.S. government from deporting Haitians. Across the country, more than 30,000 Haitians have been ordered to leave, with about 600 of those in detention as of Feb. 9, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Additionally, 243 were under a form of house arrest and being monitored with electronic ankle bracelets.
Their own country doesn't even want them back! how sad.
Source: Sun Sentinel
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 8:03 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
The sad part is that in the Dominican Republic:
1. We don't imprison Haitians waiting for deportation like the US does.
2. We don't put on them degrading ankle bracelets like the US does.
3. We don't place them under house arrest.
Every country has a right to enforce their immigration laws, but when the Dominican Republic tries
to send some illegal Haitians back, then the whole world accuses us of being racists and xenophobic.
From: United States
The deportation of Haitians from the US is nothing new. On a trip I made to Haiti aproximately 4 years ago, I bumped into quite a few of them. In fact in one particular case, what caught my attention, was this young, short, light skin Haitian guy who spent most of his time standing in front of my hotel building near the Puerto Prince Capitolio. He was working as a street hustler in the centre of town trying to pimp young mulato Haitian girls to foreigners. What caught my attention, to my surprise, was that this guy spoke mostly if not all but perfect English, with a heavy Afro-brooklyn accent. I inquired about his language skills and explained that he barely spoke creol, he was born but left Haiti as an infant and never returned. He grew up in NY most of his life but did not become a US citizen and remained as a resident alien. After he served time in prison for grand larceny, US authorities promptly deported him back to Haiti a country he barely knew.
From: United States
I am very pesimistic, I just do not foresee a solution to the illegal Haitian problem in the DR. In order for it to work, various elements must come into play all at once. First, the Dominican gov't does not have the will to attack the problem. They must want to do it, but are afraid to carry out a massive deportation. What they are doing now is but a drop in the bucket. Secondly, it is economically unfeasible. It cost money to do it, a alot of money. It will require serious financial resources to tackle such an enormous task to deport at minimum 1 million permanent illegal Haitians. However the reality is that we all know the real numbers are close to about 2 million, which will bring the deportation budget out of whack. Thirdly, we need the support and backing of the int'l community, otherwise we will be condemned, accused of xenophia. And finally an effective and strategic plan to achieve such as massive project. Unfortunately, these 4 elements are precisely the very things we lack
Written by: antonio1, 16 Feb 2009 9:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
If you think the treatment of Haitians is bad in the US and DR you need to read this report:
HUMAN RIGHTS DELEGATION REPORT ON HAITIANS IN THE BAHAMAS
This report concludes that the Bahamian government's treatment of Haitians is in gross violation of internationally recognized human rights norms.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/diana/haitibahama.aspWritten by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 9:53 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
guillermone
I am getting more pessimistic every day as well as it's like the alcoholic in the family. Everyone is in denial about the alcoholic and he is like an elephant in the living room but nobody sees him.
Like an alcoholic needs an intervention by family members because he is out of control and be physically carried to dry up at an institution, the Haitian problem needs to be physically moved back to Haiti.
We have to say to Haiti, enough is enough. You can not keep sending the poor, sick and unemployed to Dominican Republic.
Urgent and drastic measures are needed and this government I am sorry to say considers that they have enough problems without adding any new ones (like the family members in denial of the alcoholic's problem).
We will get to a point when the economy gets worse that the Haitians will be fighting Dominicans
for the fruits on the mango tree, and then it will be too late for solutions.
Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 10:02 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
It can even get worse to a nightmare scenario where Haitians will be hunted down by Dominicans and a class war will erupt like in Bosnia.
We are not taking this huge problem seriously and we will eventually pay for our denial in a worst case scenario by having our country invaded by foreign armies again to "save lives".
From: United States
GEN-You hit it right in the nose. You have a true and real awareness, the most accurate perspective to this Haitian dilemma that I have ever heard. Unfortunately, so many people confuse it with us being racist, anything you may say, the most minimal statement, gets misconstrue, even the slightest hint. They immediately pull the race card on you. I have been to Haiti many times, participated in humanitarian projects, have Haitian friends, had a Haitian supervisor which I admired and respected, but that does not blind me to a fact, the Dominican Republic is in serious danger and most everybody is looking the other way or sticking their head in a hole hoping the problem will some how go away all by itself and all on its own. When I visit the DR and ask the average guy on the street about it, they all agree, that yeah it is a problem, but oh well, lets worry about it another day, just pass me my presidente for now
From: United States
antonio1-The Bahamians are not like Dominicans. In fact I just don't understand how tourism is a major industry for this British Commonwealth. My personal experience after visiting both Freeport and Nassau was not most favorable. I found the natives unfriendly, somewhat arrogant and they could care less about really trying to please you as a visitor. So you can imagine, if that was the treatment I got as a documented, US dollar paying tourist, how then would the welcome be for an impoverished illegal Haitian. But I also understand Cuban rafters get the same kind of treatment, with the exception that the powerful exile community in Miami would never allow it. Once alerted and aware of the abuse, a Miami delegation goes to the Bahamas along with the press to defend the human rights of their compatriots. And if the Bahamian Gov't fails to take head, negative PR is started, a campaign to boycott tourism and they pressure until the release of their people is achieved.
From: United States
In addition to the Bahamas, I also hear that Haitians are also mistreated in the Turks & Caicos Islands. The most interesting thing about it all, is that in none of these cases you hear anyone cry Racism, Iike they try to do to the Dominican Republic that although not a predominately black country like the other two already mentioned, at least not yet, DR still however a non-white nation.
From: United States
GEN-"It can even get worse to a nightmare scenario where Haitians will be hunted down by Dominicans and a class war will erupt like in Bosnia.We are not taking this huge problem seriously and we will eventually pay for our denial in a worst case scenario by having our country invaded by foreign armies again to "save lives"
I don't think it will get to that point. What is happening now is a passive, non-military invasion. We are peacefully letting them in like the Taino and Arawaks naively allowed the Spaniards to come in to take over, but when they wanted to do something it was too late. Although remnants are still alive today, the native Indians were wiped out, their language, culture and as a collective group of people simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The Haitians in an unorganized manner are doing what Mahatma Gandhi did to the British Colonial rule. He was able to defeat the British the most powerful empire at the time through non-violent resistance.
Written by: generoso, 17 Feb 2009 2:02 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
guillermone
Actually, come to think of it I ask these questions:
1. Who in their continuous and thirsty search for more money from the sugar plantations brought more and more slaves in from Africa to Haiti?
A: The French
2. Who fostered the slave rebellion because of the terrible conditions of the sugar mills even in those days?
A: The French
3. Who after the slave rebellion that declared Haitian independence from France came back to demand reparations from the Haitian government with gun boat diplomacy?
A: The French
4. Who got an IOU from the Haitian government for 150 million French francs for reparations that in those days was all the money in the world?
A: The French
5. Who hounded like a call center the Haitians to pay them that debt for 80 years, constantly renegotiating and imposing new terms to keep Haiti always in the hole?
A: The French
Last question:
Where should we send the 2 million illegal Haitians in DR, that Haiti does not want?
To France with love.
Written by: vacanos, 17 Feb 2009 3:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
generoso
excellent post.
but i think the french are paying today for their past bad deeds. the black getho in france do an uprising when the french every year threatened them with mass deportation back to africa. allmost all the black in france are taking govt assistance taking a big chunk out of france resource. oh yeah they are paying it give me hapiness every time i watch the news and i see in the black getho of france the burining of vehicle and tire. straight out of first world country.
Written by: etiennc, 17 Feb 2009 4:01 PM
From: United States
I have bad news for you los enemigos historicos que siempre se ofenden cada uno.
An article titled " Haitians use fake ID s to cross the Dominican border " just appeared on DT
Knowing your penchant for personal attacks and vulgarity,DT rightfully so has locked discussions on this article.
What a shame !!!
gizmo,vacanos,cros666, haitian1804 Did you get the message _?
There were a lot of complaining about your posts.
ha ! ha ! ha! ha !
They took your toys away from you.
Grow up now !!!
From: United States
GEN-I agreed absolutely, the French are ultimately responsible for providing to their offspring, like a responsible parents should. But Haiti is an illegitimate child, the oldest at the orphanage that no one wants to adopt and could never find parents to take him in. Other then periodic donations, no one has been willing to provide for their wants, needs and requirements. Haiti is a child born out of wedlock in which the parents, the French, were never willing to recognize paternity. They rather looked for ways to steal candy from this baby, when ever they found the excuse and saw the opportunity to do it. But of course at this point in history, France will never allow Haitians to freely enter the mother country. Some one suggested, at another forum, to allow massive migrations of Haitians to French Guyana. The country is underpopulated, with plenty of land and abundant natural resources. The Int'l community could provide initial assistance until they become self-subsistent.
Written by: generoso, 18 Feb 2009 12:14 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
guillermone
Let's send them to French Guyana!
I will volunteer to help them get on board!
With an electric cow prod. LOL.
Remember this, from what I have read about Haitians exiles in Miami waiting to be deported and the attitude of "We don't want them either" from the Haitian government. We are in deep do do if we think we can send them all back just like that. They don't want them back and want them to stay here, my friends.
Have you ever tried to get a squatter out of a piece of land you own? So then you know what it is like.
I am sorry to say it will be a nightmare scenario. Hope the force is with Dominicans.
The Haitians will be holding on to whatever they can, and will be fighting with us kicking and screaming to stay put and not go back.
From: United States
GEN-You got it down pack, that is exactly what is going to happen. They will kick, bite, scream, fight with all their might and everything else that goes along with it until they can no more. Right now Dominican authorities are too busy cleaning up the military and police forces and the Haitian issue is the least of their worries. Anyway, the only way the world will react in favor of Haiti like you said is a class struggle or if Dominicans start to hunt down Haitians. But why do we have to wait for something like this to happen? The more I think about it the Guyana project might not be such a bad idea. In fact if all the countries in the western hemisphere and Europe would just pitch in, everybody takes part, then everyone would share and be equally responsible. We could spread them out all over the world and not just leave the DR alone to handle this situation. French Guyana during the 1970s took in a settlement of Hmong refugees from Laos and apparently it has worked out quite well
Written by: antonioj, 18 Feb 2009 9:00 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: generoso, 18 Feb 2009 12:14 AM
From: United States
guillermone
Let's send them to French Guyana!
I will volunteer to help them get on board!
With an electric cow prod. LOL
"
wont a taser do the same job jejeje, roso promise me you will not apply it on the private part( jejeje) this will be cruel and unusal punishment jejeje,. The Guyana project is the most brillant suggestion, yet it came from someone I hardly agree with , heck just to show the left neither the right have a monopoly on good ideas.
The Dominican gov should petition France when they start medling, I would love to see their face and answers.
Guyana is big and parsely populated they speak french and creole
Written by: generoso, 18 Feb 2009 9:25 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Haitians to French Guyana NOW!
Let's start a movement right now. It is a great idea but the frogs have to side with us, and unless we pay them some: mooonnneey, somehow, they won't lift a finger to help either the Haitians or us.
They will say" Mon ami, cest la verite, but bisenes is bisenes. We need dollarssss"
Written by: generoso, 18 Feb 2009 9:29 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
guillermone
Read Henri Charriere's book about French Guyana or devil's Island prison, called "Papillon".
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 9:50 PM
From: United States
Generoso,Guillermone, Antonioj. I guess I am well placed because of my double heritage to reflect on what has transpired these last few days.
Two articles about Haiti have appeared on DT and purposely all comments were blocked.(Because of the sesitive nature of the subject)
When Trujillo decided to whiten the Dominican Republic , he was ordered to spare many Hiatians. I used the word ORDERED.
as a result we have Jonny Ventura Pena Gomez just to name a few survivors.
When you stroll down the Maximo Gobez avenida there is a new Dominican Republic that we are not talking about.
The Haitian migration is not a Haitian concern this is a Dominican concern.How did we allow Haitians dictate the direction of the discussions"
They have done a succesful job in insulting you and trapped you into responding. At the end none of you has come with an adult suggestion besides a few Sesame Street plaisanteries..
You had the oportunity to present human and serious solutions but have failed
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 9:55 PM
From: United States
The Haitian dilemma will diseappear overnight and it was up to the Dominicans Authorities to solve it . they would have solved long time ago.
You know I hate to see intelligent and patriotic people like you being cornered and all you have to do is to resort to responding to insults.
You couls have been the Big bother intead of pointing Haitis shortcomings and atract absurb responses from cross 666 and the other dumb asses You could have kept the high ground and being seriuos about the future of your country
Written by: generoso, 18 Feb 2009 9:55 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
etiennc
What are the "human and serious" solutions that you are proposing?
BTW the Haitian migration is BOTH a Dominican and Haitian concern.
Haitians are not dictating anything, they have a right to have their say in this forum, just like you have. It is called democracy and free speech.
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 9:56 PM
From: United States
They had brought you down at their level they have irritated you they have clouded your judgement to a point that you do not even think that there is a one smart Haitian living in this world
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 10:03 PM
From: United States
Roso allow me to point out my concern.
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 10:03 PM
From: United States
I spoke with a lot of Dominicans , they do not call for all Haitians to leave the DR., only the illegal ones.
These are two people who have been inbreeding for mor that 200 years.
Do you really thing that you can get up one day and force them out of the country?
How would you know who is Dominican and who is Haitian? The perejil test ?
We can solve this problem by allowing anger to dictate us the methods to use.
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 10:10 PM
From: United States
Roso we have wasted so many hours
We have asked our brains to do so many exercise
at the end I am asking myself WHY
When I read intelligent people like vacanos. you , guillomore arguing with cros 666 Haitian 1804 I said to myself What you are trying to accomplish.
cross 666 Haitian 1804 are agent provocateurs.
they are parasites they get a kick out of insulting you for not being able to provide a solution for Haitia{s shortcomings
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 10:11 PM
From: United States
These people have succeded in blocking comments about articles that should only concer Dominicans in Dominica Today
Written by: etiennc, 18 Feb 2009 10:13 PM
From: United States
Roso I guess I have said what I have to say I will read you and I will let you know when I am cominig down there.
Good night
good night vacanos guillomore antonioj
May god bless you
love brothers
Written by: antonioj, 18 Feb 2009 11:34 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Good nite etiennc, I just hate censorship, however there is still plenty other issue to discuss and DT is still a good forum
Written by: DaniDr, 19 Feb 2009 9:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Well, after seeng how every conversation was taken to a battle between haitians and dominicans, I'd rather have the forum dedicated more to issues that debate current problems in the DR and not the history of Haiti over and over again.
Written by: generoso, 19 Feb 2009 9:25 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
I agree 100%. The forum is more of an appropriate media for these kind of debates.
Well done and a good decision on DT's part.
All his mutual insulting and mud slinging and then DT trying to remove the slanderous and obscene remarks do take a lot of manpower hours from the DT staff.
It was sure fun while it lasted for some.LOL.
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The money will soon end up in their pockets instead of buying food for the Haitian people.
" Haitian Authorities are to commended '
Say What ?
Say What ?
This is a good start little by little Haiti trying to climb out of that "crab barrel"
.
A good start for 2009. Haitians doing something to improve Haiti.
" Haitian authorities are to be commended for maintaining microeconomic stability..."
I do not want you to applaud a policy that you do not comprehend .
Oops sorry !
35.8 million is a drop in the dark hole that Haiti is and they need at least a billion dollars to start to get out of the terrible economic situation that they are in, to try reforestation and build needed infrastructure works thorough out the countryside and fix and pave roads destroyed by years of neglect.
But something is better than nothing but 35 million is only a token to a miser country that will not solve anything, but will only eat for one day.
"Give the poor a fish and they will eat for one day, show them how to fish and they will eat forever"
The problem is that there is no fish in Haiti anymore and they have to be brought in from abroad.
Receiving praise from the IMF is not a bad thing .
That 35 million may not sound like much and if you broke it down it would buy a Big Mac Combo for everyone. Haitians know better than anyone how to live on less.
If the money is used wisely it could be used for rebuilding some infrastructure.
30,000 Haitians to be deported from the US!
http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/....cias/ordenan_salir_de_ee.uu._a_30,000_haitianos/533438
We let's all hope that Saint Obama "the chosen one" will take note of this and offer solutions to this
contradictory and fragrantly discriminatory practice.
Discrimination is the key word to be used in this case, which is a red flag in the present administration that professes equality and evenness of criteria.
This could be a left over decision from the Goergie Bush days or pro Bush beaurocrats trying to embarrass the new administration or both!
The correct link is: http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/....cias/ordenan_salir_de_ee.uu._a_30,000_haitianos/533438
Anyway the Haitian government is claiming:
"there is no room for them, their papers are not in order,
we have been devastated by hurricanes"
and so on and so forth.
This really worries me when the time comes to send the ones illegally in DR back to Haiti.
Few of the Haitians that are in DR illegally bring haitian ID papers with them, this is one huge
difficulty in getting temporary ID's in DR, it is the fault of the Haitian authorities.
And the government is still snoozing on this very serious matter?
I was worried before now I won't be able to sleep well.
The Haitian problem is a huge time bomb waiting to explode.
And explode it will!... sooner than we imagine.
President Fernandez urgent action is required!, if you don't have the pants sir, to face this urgent responsibility immediately I will lend you a pair of my pants. Will size 36 long fit you?
Dominican Today will have me on the record saying this publicly, today February 16 TH, 2009.
I will leave you with the following phrase that the french philosopher Honoré Gabriel Riquetti, a.k.a the count of Mirabeau, said when referring to the colonists of Saint Domingue (Haiti) before the Revolution: "They live at the foot of the Vesuvius (the volcano) and they just don't know it", on this case, the construction and agrarian moguls and the people in the goverment. A quien le sirva el sombrero que se lo ponga.
Maybe we should send them to the PR's, that way they would be able to see "si el gas pela". LOL.
What is the PR? Puerto Rico?
Seriously though, the only way we're going to make the world to pay attention to the problem is to make the problems that are plaguing Haiti a Caribbeanwide issue instead of only an Hispaniolan one, and unfortunately, that will only come when the other islands start to receive waves after waves of economic/political refugees as we're doing now. Sometimes I wonder if the region's indifference towards them would change if a commie movement were to seize power over there, cuz' right now they're more of a gulag than Cuba will ever be, in my humble opinion.
Their own country doesn't even want them back! how sad.
Source: Sun Sentinel
1. We don't imprison Haitians waiting for deportation like the US does.
2. We don't put on them degrading ankle bracelets like the US does.
3. We don't place them under house arrest.
Every country has a right to enforce their immigration laws, but when the Dominican Republic tries
to send some illegal Haitians back, then the whole world accuses us of being racists and xenophobic.
HUMAN RIGHTS DELEGATION REPORT ON HAITIANS IN THE BAHAMAS
This report concludes that the Bahamian government's treatment of Haitians is in gross violation of internationally recognized human rights norms.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/diana/haitibahama.asp
I am getting more pessimistic every day as well as it's like the alcoholic in the family. Everyone is in denial about the alcoholic and he is like an elephant in the living room but nobody sees him.
Like an alcoholic needs an intervention by family members because he is out of control and be physically carried to dry up at an institution, the Haitian problem needs to be physically moved back to Haiti.
We have to say to Haiti, enough is enough. You can not keep sending the poor, sick and unemployed to Dominican Republic.
Urgent and drastic measures are needed and this government I am sorry to say considers that they have enough problems without adding any new ones (like the family members in denial of the alcoholic's problem).
We will get to a point when the economy gets worse that the Haitians will be fighting Dominicans
for the fruits on the mango tree, and then it will be too late for solutions.
We are not taking this huge problem seriously and we will eventually pay for our denial in a worst case scenario by having our country invaded by foreign armies again to "save lives".
I don't think it will get to that point. What is happening now is a passive, non-military invasion. We are peacefully letting them in like the Taino and Arawaks naively allowed the Spaniards to come in to take over, but when they wanted to do something it was too late. Although remnants are still alive today, the native Indians were wiped out, their language, culture and as a collective group of people simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The Haitians in an unorganized manner are doing what Mahatma Gandhi did to the British Colonial rule. He was able to defeat the British the most powerful empire at the time through non-violent resistance.
Actually, come to think of it I ask these questions:
1. Who in their continuous and thirsty search for more money from the sugar plantations brought more and more slaves in from Africa to Haiti?
A: The French
2. Who fostered the slave rebellion because of the terrible conditions of the sugar mills even in those days?
A: The French
3. Who after the slave rebellion that declared Haitian independence from France came back to demand reparations from the Haitian government with gun boat diplomacy?
A: The French
4. Who got an IOU from the Haitian government for 150 million French francs for reparations that in those days was all the money in the world?
A: The French
5. Who hounded like a call center the Haitians to pay them that debt for 80 years, constantly renegotiating and imposing new terms to keep Haiti always in the hole?
A: The French
Last question:
Where should we send the 2 million illegal Haitians in DR, that Haiti does not want?
To France with love.
excellent post.
but i think the french are paying today for their past bad deeds. the black getho in france do an uprising when the french every year threatened them with mass deportation back to africa. allmost all the black in france are taking govt assistance taking a big chunk out of france resource. oh yeah they are paying it give me hapiness every time i watch the news and i see in the black getho of france the burining of vehicle and tire. straight out of first world country.
An article titled " Haitians use fake ID s to cross the Dominican border " just appeared on DT
Knowing your penchant for personal attacks and vulgarity,DT rightfully so has locked discussions on this article.
What a shame !!!
gizmo,vacanos,cros666, haitian1804 Did you get the message _?
There were a lot of complaining about your posts.
ha ! ha ! ha! ha !
They took your toys away from you.
Grow up now !!!
Let's send them to French Guyana!
I will volunteer to help them get on board!
With an electric cow prod. LOL.
Remember this, from what I have read about Haitians exiles in Miami waiting to be deported and the attitude of "We don't want them either" from the Haitian government. We are in deep do do if we think we can send them all back just like that. They don't want them back and want them to stay here, my friends.
Have you ever tried to get a squatter out of a piece of land you own? So then you know what it is like.
I am sorry to say it will be a nightmare scenario. Hope the force is with Dominicans.
The Haitians will be holding on to whatever they can, and will be fighting with us kicking and screaming to stay put and not go back.
From: United States
guillermone
Let's send them to French Guyana!
I will volunteer to help them get on board!
With an electric cow prod. LOL
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wont a taser do the same job jejeje, roso promise me you will not apply it on the private part( jejeje) this will be cruel and unusal punishment jejeje,. The Guyana project is the most brillant suggestion, yet it came from someone I hardly agree with , heck just to show the left neither the right have a monopoly on good ideas.
The Dominican gov should petition France when they start medling, I would love to see their face and answers.
Guyana is big and parsely populated they speak french and creole
Let's start a movement right now. It is a great idea but the frogs have to side with us, and unless we pay them some: mooonnneey, somehow, they won't lift a finger to help either the Haitians or us.
They will say" Mon ami, cest la verite, but bisenes is bisenes. We need dollarssss"
Read Henri Charriere's book about French Guyana or devil's Island prison, called "Papillon".
Two articles about Haiti have appeared on DT and purposely all comments were blocked.(Because of the sesitive nature of the subject)
When Trujillo decided to whiten the Dominican Republic , he was ordered to spare many Hiatians. I used the word ORDERED.
as a result we have Jonny Ventura Pena Gomez just to name a few survivors.
When you stroll down the Maximo Gobez avenida there is a new Dominican Republic that we are not talking about.
The Haitian migration is not a Haitian concern this is a Dominican concern.How did we allow Haitians dictate the direction of the discussions"
They have done a succesful job in insulting you and trapped you into responding. At the end none of you has come with an adult suggestion besides a few Sesame Street plaisanteries..
You had the oportunity to present human and serious solutions but have failed
You know I hate to see intelligent and patriotic people like you being cornered and all you have to do is to resort to responding to insults.
You couls have been the Big bother intead of pointing Haitis shortcomings and atract absurb responses from cross 666 and the other dumb asses You could have kept the high ground and being seriuos about the future of your country
What are the "human and serious" solutions that you are proposing?
BTW the Haitian migration is BOTH a Dominican and Haitian concern.
Haitians are not dictating anything, they have a right to have their say in this forum, just like you have. It is called democracy and free speech.
These are two people who have been inbreeding for mor that 200 years.
Do you really thing that you can get up one day and force them out of the country?
How would you know who is Dominican and who is Haitian? The perejil test ?
We can solve this problem by allowing anger to dictate us the methods to use.
We have asked our brains to do so many exercise
at the end I am asking myself WHY
When I read intelligent people like vacanos. you , guillomore arguing with cros 666 Haitian 1804 I said to myself What you are trying to accomplish.
cross 666 Haitian 1804 are agent provocateurs.
they are parasites they get a kick out of insulting you for not being able to provide a solution for Haitia{s shortcomings
Good night
good night vacanos guillomore antonioj
May god bless you
love brothers
Well done and a good decision on DT's part.
All his mutual insulting and mud slinging and then DT trying to remove the slanderous and obscene remarks do take a lot of manpower hours from the DT staff.
It was sure fun while it lasted for some.LOL.