WHAT? im suprised that im the first one here...well Julio Cesar Castaños thank you for telling us something we already know, why don't you go tell that to government and let's see where you'll get with that.

is this is a big joke?

Somebody said that Haitians we radioactive, now I know what they were up to!

How much money $$$$$$ he received???? TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jean go back to you're country, beat it!

Everyone in DR knows what is going on. These are poor people that in Haiti are still refered to as peasants. The situation is imposible to understand unless you are the one living it. Treating them badly and isolating them will only work to cause strife. The Haitian government is currupt and the rich Hatians just want to keep things the same so they can stay in power. They are to blame for this situation. Its a problem that can not be solved. Just like illegal immigration to the united states.

WHAT !!!!!! No Sh...'T What a surprise.....
Haitian population in this country is such a problem that sooner or later could “explode with the force of an atomic bomb.”

Well Daaahhhh !!! Surprise, surprise, surprise, well golly !!!

Where the hell have you been all this time. Where were you when we needed you Mr.Castaños?
You bunch of Idiots in gov't......Man my blood burns!!!!

Those Haitians are wasting there time in D.R. They will never see progress. Can someone say marginalization!!!!! It's the greatest tool to self deport or move somewhere else.

I've always believed there must be a big nation behind the scenes planning for an united island nation. Laissez faire, laissez passe...Ne faites pas tant de bruit ! One day, the silent masses will develop a legal voice y luego vamos a estar jodidos... Despertemos! nos van a quitar el pais.

Julio Cesar Castanos is a responsable dominican.Not only they have to open their eyes but bust the border control.Haitians are good mano de obra DR need it.Illegal situation is not good and cost DRmigra a constant chase of indocumented.Abuse in deportation denounced by human rights organizations.Even DR is seen like an esclavagist country.Control must be used on people or boss giving job to them in DR.Like in US or Europe inmigration laws punish the companies or individuals using this labor force.DR and Haiti can handle this situation and stop the bomb alert.

A border wall should of been put a long time ago, but priority has not been a Dominican virtue unfortunately!

"and not appeal to a chauvinist nationalism to ignore that bitter reality.”

I'd like for somebody to break this down for me, lo que pasa es que mi ingles de muelle no es suficiente, el quiere decir que de frente a una situacion explosiva y catastrofica para mi pais yo no puedo sentir nacionalismo y defender mi pais?

Lamentablemente, mi estimado trinitario, los dominicanos somos el único grupo humano en el planeta al cual se le esta prohibido sentir nacionalismo, ya que inmediatamente se nos tilda de racistas, xenófobos, antihaitianos y demás hierbas aromáticas. Como diría una querida amiga mía, la peor tragedia que le pudo haber pasado al dominicano fue el que Dios hubiese hecho a los haitianos negros, ya que el ser negros es la excusa perfecta que estos tienen para no hacer nada para cambiar su humillante situación, ya que siempre se escudarán en este pretexto para que el resto del mundo tenga que hacer lo que les corresponde a ellos mismos hacer. Para eso es que son supuestamente un país independiente, no?

Lautaro:

Los Dominicanos que le duela la patria tienen que mandarle sus quejas a la JCE, dirigirle ademas sus opiniones al diputado Pelegrin Castillo y ejecutar actos de patriotismo.

I have been saying that they should build a border wall since the 90's. It is not that difficult, we are not talking about the US/Mexican border. This is an island it can be done.

An old and well known saying is appropriate here "nos jodimos"!!!!

xwill7 ,no need for a border now.
I am Notradamusetiennc01 , I predict that a stong earthquake will split the island of Hispanola along the border and these two seperate islands . These two islands will float away from each other.
I predict that we will have the island of Haiti and the island of the Dominican Republic.
I predict there will be Haitian Today and Dominican Today.
I predict that xwill7 will still keep posting his fear in both forums
I predict that before the earthquaque al l Haitians and all Dominicans who look like Haitians will hurry up to leave the Dominican Republic.
I am Nostramusetiennc01, thos is my prediction for the year 3010. Yes you read it right 3010.
We all will be dead by that time including xwill7,xwill8.xwill20.xwill58 xwill109 xwill 455, ( xwill666 )xwill789, xwill2345,xwill7896and xwill 3010

Etiennc,
Its not fear, its to control the population from becoming more over crowded. I think that a border wall will help both contries because you have to worry about the criminals from all over the world crossing into either country. I am not saying to build a border wall and seal it, I am saying to have a border wall to help control the flow. People are still going to manage to cross over but there will be a better chance of catching them and asking for documents.

xwill7 when I expect you to jump on me and insult me, you try to reason with me.
i hope you are no playing with my mind.
I am warning you.!

E,
I am not against any race but I feel in DR they need to put a border control system like in the USA. Its not perfect but its better than nothing

We are in DEEP trouble. The Congress just approved Article 52 allowing the illegal Haitian to attend primary school in DR!

In 2006, there were 22,000 Haitian attending Dominican schools. Now, with this approval, we are going to be invaded by the 5.6 million Haitian children living now in Haiti!

Xwill, Haiti is not a race. Haiti is a nationality! Therefore, don't use the word "racism" where it doesn't apply!

xwill7
I wrote a forum post about the border wall calling it "Muro por la vida" or fence for life, and had many
positive responses and offers to volunteer, the project is in the planning stages.
Plainly speaking "good fences make good neighbors". Just like you protect your business and your home and guard it against trespassers, thieves and criminals, so Dominicans need to protect and defend our country against the mass illegal flow of persons, goods, contraband, drugs, and weapons.
Nostradamusetiennc01 Lay off the cleren, it warps your brain cells.

"Haitians" to DR = "Dominicans " to the US. and Europe

DR's govt., needs to take the blames, however, DR's govt is senseless, shameless. Why? they have cold blood........."YO QUERO SOLO YO Y COME SOLO"

Hey Roso, I suffer from DHUTFSTI (Dominicans Haitians Unable To Find Solutions To Illegal Immigration) fatigue.
This not the kleren

generoso,
what materials are they thinking of using to build the wall? I would pay an extra tax to get into DR if they would use the extra tax money towards building the wall.
letro,
you are right. this will further decrease the quality of a Dominican public education. How many more kids can a classroom handle?

get them out!!!!!

Hola , letroudemierda, how the hell are you buddy?
And cut off that Generoso from your nick. Generoso is a great man even when he has two girls at his arms and a botlle of Brugal.
Today is Friday , let's call quits for this week.

LET THEM BUILD A WALL made of pineapple skins 3 feet high and a THAN they can hire a few wet backs to teach them how to swim under it .. WELCOME TO THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC OF HAITI.....A SUBSIDIARY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMEXICO ......enjoy your stay !

Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso, 30 Apr 2009 8:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We are in DEEP trouble. The Congress just approved Article 52 allowing the illegal Haitian to attend primary school in DR!

In 2006, there were 22,000 Haitian attending Dominican schools. Now, with this approval, we are going to be invaded by the 5.6 million Haitian children living now in Haiti!

Big Trouble Shit head in 20 years all the high positions will be giving to little Haitians ,because they are smarter people in general after the Japanese , I ve met Haitians in some highly positions , many are well educated ,but the world doesn't tell us that .

They only isolated them , Isolated them with all types of fear Society can produced : I think now this is the bottom line .

I beleive in them : They will come on top : they will make the best of their misery.
I respect them a lot in spite of all the abused we commited to them as Americans ,while we are convincing them we are they friends !!!

Blah blah blah Haitians are rocket scientist sure? They are the smartest most wealthy people in the face of the earth sure?? Haitians are black angels sure??? You see Christopher talk is cheap, keep on talking while i laugh at you're lame attempt at belittling us, try harder you haven't made a dent.

Christopher,DAMN dude what the hell are you smoking man.you haitians live in a fantasy land maybe that's why your country is the way it is,why don't you tap your heels three times and see if that helps ROTFL!!!

Undocumented DOMINICAN population “an atomic bomb,” US/Puerto Ricans Homeland Security Authorities says. This is the headline news that needs to be published in every single media outlet on the Island (PR) and the USA. We need to turn the” heat on”, on the Dominican illegal migration, which in the majority of the cases brings a storm of other significant social problems, such as crime, deseases, drug trafficking and exploitation of our government social programs. The historically corrupt Dominican authorities need to “step of to the plate” and strongly, and consistently enforce the international existing immigration treaties.

Brian

nichee30-Brian-Can you please provide statistics on the percentages of illegal Dominicans in PR in relation to the proportion of the native PR population. And can you obtain info about how many millions of Dollars Dominicans have deposited in PR banks. And do you have any info to determine how many Dominicans travel daily to PR on business or tourism, do you know in dollars the commercial/trade exchange between the DR and PR? And have you done any studies to discover the cultural, historical and political ties between the PR and DR. And do you remember the "lamento Borincano" and know the meaning of the words. The tragedy of the Pto Rican jibaro, who was the victim of material misery and spiritual anxiety in the 1930s, today continues to be the tragedy of of all hispanics. Once you get those statistics and information lets compare them with those between the DR and Haiti and then we can determine and conclude who really has a problem with illegal immigrants and undocumented aliens

Guillermo,
Actually, I do have enough information to answer your “ International Studies 101, Puerto Rican-Dominican relations in the last 100 years, info-paper”; However, without any offenses, or hard feelings towards anybody, your data collection request is totally irrelevant. This is not a question of legal international trades, or legal migration, nor 20th Century sentimental historical “folks tales”; this is all about illegal immigration, and its consequences. Unlike DR, we do neither request nor import cheap labor to work on our sugar cane plantations. Your problem is a “self-inflicted” one, due to the lack of a control migratory system. Toppled by the greed of a “band of bandits”, corrupt military (DR navy), and a herd of civilian authorities, whose only purpose in life is to make $$$ by any means necessary.

Have a blessed weekend.
Brian.

Ok, Yeah, good, you have the facts and data, but you did not answer my question Nichee30, now that I know you have the info, what is your conclusion? My original question to you is which of the two nations (o I am sorry) I mean which of the two places has a greater and more severe illegal immigration problem? Between the two, which one is “an atomic bomb,” ready to explode ? Which two places has a more urgent need and should really have ".....the headline news that needs to be published in every single media...".? I am looking for an objective and not a subjective response.

yo soy de pr, y por primera ves entro en esta pajina ,pero ya me doy cuenta que no vale la pena leer aqui,por que como boricua que soy ,yo me pregunto, asi como los dominicanos hablan de los haitianos y piensan de ellos ,yo creo que tambien yo tengo el derecho de pensar y de sacar a los dominicanos de mi pais...

Señor Guillermo,
I am spinning my head at 1000RPMs trying to make some sense of your response. What part of my post is it, that you are having such a difficult time grasping? Don’t you understand that your people are responsible for the immigration problem in PR.? You do not have the right to down-play our problem by comparing it with yours. Yours is the result of an uncontrolled imported, cheap labor from Haiti. Ours is a wanted, illiterate herd of impoverished people who violates ours international waters trying to come to the land of better opportunity and equality. Such is the result of a country that is run and controlled by a few “Band of bandits”, and a historically inefficient and ill prepared military (almost at the lowest point of illiteracy), arrogant and blood thirsty.
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Brian

Brian relax-Why are you losing your cool? You sound frustrated, something common of people who lack the ability to understand where the other person is coming from. No-then what can be the problem? What happen did your wife/girlfriend ran away with an illegal Dom alien? What is this pent-up agression you have inside that all of a sudden is starting to come out. Is is difficult for you to have a simple debate or an exercise to discuss differences of issues? Your arrogance shows off very well. Listen if you want to get nasty I can also get down and dirty. But I refuse to go down to your level. By the way Mr adopted American, US foster child stick your tail between your legs and butt and have a little humility, something which obviously don't have. Let me tell you something, the first place Pto Ricans ran to on canoes in the 1930's to excape economic hardship was to the DR and my grandfather hired dozens of your folks to work in his company. Most stayed and never went back.(cont)

(cont) So don't give me this bull crap talk as if you were a US WASP yankee, that nevertheless would never express themselves as you. And in no instance have I denied the severity of our immigration problem and if anyone made a comparison in the first place it was YOU. Remember:
"Undocumented DOMINICAN population “an atomic bomb,” US/Puerto Ricans Homeland Security Authorities says. " It was you who made the first comparison as if the PR problem was of greater severity and of more importance. You were the one who belittled and attempted to sweap our problem under the carpet and magnified yours. I asked you a series of questions to determined your depth of knowledge, but instead gave me bunch subjective responses. You don't know or understand the Dominican illegal immigration problem. It is a very complex issue that I doubt you have the capacity to grasp and therefore are unable to speak with enough authority. What you state is bias and only full of half truths. Educate yourself first.

Finally Mr half-American Brian-PR is the unwanted child of the US. It is stuck paying child support and was blamed for the pregnancy. If illegal aliens are going to the Island of Puerto Rico it is because it is being used as a jumping board to the Mainland. Everybody uses it not only Dominicans. Cub'ns, Argentin's, Colomb'ns, Ecuador'ns, Venezuel'ns, Haitians, Peruv'ns, ext. ext. ext. Sort of like the rest stop on a US highway where people go to rest, eat, wash-up and use the toilet. And what is this crap you say that people are "trying to come to the land of better opportunity and equality." Are you for real? Are you talking about Pto Rico? Come on now. The gov't of Pto Rico was bankrupt and could not pay their bills. Corruption? PR is notorious. Don't you remember the governor, the police and who knows how many other agencies are corrupt. Your people have immigrated for the longest and continue to do so for economic reasons.FL, NY, NJ, CA, NC, TX, IL,MA, GA,MI,PA,CT-U R everywhere

Mr “G”,
I see that it is almost impossible to engage in an intelligence discussion, when one of the parties involved lacks the emotional strength and discipline to stay calm, collective and most importantly stay on track. Unfortunatelly, you fall on the category afore mentioned. Since, you are so fond of data collection; can you possibly tell me, when was the last time that an X number of Puerto Ricans, perished or were apprehended trying to enter illegally to your beloved Quisquella?. If you can come up with an intelligent response, I will be more than glad to continue this amicable discussion. Otherwise, this is really pointless. In fact, this is something that I am very passionate about it, because I had served and continue to do so (27 military/ FED GOV). As a born and raised Yorker, I have seeing the best and worst of your “kin folks”. I sort of questioned your objective views the minute that you started making comparison between Dominican and Puerto Rican authorities le

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authorities level of corruption. Once again, historically your leaders have been amongst the most corrupt government officials in Latin America.
Have a blessed day.
Brian.

What happen did your wife/girlfriend ran away with an illegal Dom alien?
Mr G-
You could not stay on the subject and all of the sudden went “Postal” on us. Fortunally, my beloved spouse and I are still together over 30+ beautiful and productive years. I hope that yours has been as dedicated and faithful to her family as mine. I am not one to judge for one bad apple, since I had served and still work with some outstanding Dominicans. As a passionate compulsive obsessed data collector, you should be fully aware that Domininican Republic is unanimously the Mecca of baseball players; another interested statistic is that DR has one of the biggest numbers of females working on the “entertainment business abroad”. I personally can attest to that. In my fun years in the military, I had the privilege to bump into a few of your fellow citizens. I am referring to places like Germany, Panama, Costa Rica, Spain Italy and the list goes on and on.

It's funny to see you pricans defending haitians, because, if the haitians had the entire dominion of this island as some of you in the US wish, they'd be the ones to come to your beloved PR instead of us, cuz' not even with giving them more territory they would be able to rid themselves of their seemingly incurable inability to govern themselves. At least we dominicans have something with the appearance of a state in foot on our country. The haitians, on the contrary, don't even have the benefit of having something like a state on their 1/3 of island. So if I were you, nichee30 and jkdsdv6, I would be giving thanks to the DR instead of badmouthing it, cuz' we are the only thing between the haitians and your beloved Florida and PR. And knowing how racists and uppity you bastards are, it must be a great relief the fact that you don't have to receive in your shores the worst type of inmigrant in the history of our continent. Why do you think your dear Bill Clinton is on Haiti? (cont...)

(cont...) besides the task of enriching himself even more, your dear Hillbilly is there to make sure that the haitians stay on this island (no matter in which side, is all the same for you motherf...ers), instead of taking their boats to Florida, as it's the dear wish of a good chunk of them. Not only you're a bunch racist SOBs and uppity bastards, but you're also hypocrites to the very marrow, cuz' you took all the pains in the world to maintain the same political and economic elites of our country that you're badmouthing today on 1965, when a good part of our military tried to reinstate the LEGITIMATE government of the country, headed by the moral and upright Juan Bosch (RIP), that you morons helped to overthrow along with our elites and the church in 1963. So don't come here with all your righteous "haitians are saints, dominicans are villains, pricans are the best" discourse, specially when your own government is planning to deport 30,000 haitians as we speak, hypocrite a**holes.

That might be so, but let me make something clear for you: I'll not let you defame and malign my country with reckless abandon and gusto while there are more culprits to this tragedy out there (culprits like the haitian government, which is living from the money of your taxes while you're so occupied playing the fool by blaming the dominican gov. alone for this migrational tragedy). As the late Juan Bosch used to say:"Do we play by the same rules, or do we simply break the cards?" So let's bring it on!!

nichee30 said: "I haven't lived a single day outside my country, so you can take your deported condescending remark and stick it through your imperialist ranger arse. Hypocrite troll.

That was easy to figure out (lack of basic grammar skills gave you away)."

LOL, is that all you can come up with, troll? If you want the post of grammatical corrector just say so, moron. You can't even come up with a suitable argument after the beating that I just gave you, which doesn't surprise me one bit, cuz' you trolls are always trying to pick up fights that you will be unable to win. Just let me know when you are done rambling about grammatical mistakes and are up for a serious debate. By the way, you can drop the act, WhySmitty, cuz' if you think that you can fool everyone with your new disguise, then you're up for a very rude awakening, indeed.

Puke,
Once again your” MAGIC PEN” gave you away. The basics for your “arguments” are pointless, and lack facts. Your writing is incoherent and lacks the basic grammar of an educated person. I would rate it 7th-8th level; and I am being generous. Your kind have been on denial since 1844, when your kin-folks on the Western part of the Island left you a legacy of blackness that will stay with you through the ages.

Rangers keep leading the way!

nichee30, a.k.a WhySmitty

I have decided from now on to keep my conversation with you to a bare minimum, cuz' I am deeply conflicted in my assessment of you. Sometimes I think you are a prankster, cuz' no human being can possibly be as idiotic and thick headed as you are while being serious. The other assessment is that you are a deluded, self-centered, annoying, loathsome, black supremacist piece of garbage, which is my thought of preference. In either case, you constitute a severe waste of time and thinking, and are little more than a colossal bore. You and the other maintained trolls can go and f*ck yourselves for all I bloody care.

Puke (cuz),
You finally impressed me!! (NOT); I think we finally hit an extremely sensitive nerve (in the anal-rectal track area). I will be in Capna this summer. Let me know where I can see you, and have the immense privilege to shake your filthy, sugar cane cutting hand. Not a joker (prankster sounds too Brit-Ire-Aust); I am just a retired US Ranger who feels extremely passionate about his country without being blind to the social-political issues that affect our land. On the other hand, the Dominican elite lives in continue denial of the Country’s social- economy and political issues. This corrupt Band of Bandits (upper case) has kept the impoverished class of this country deeply submerged in the 1900s-1930s. Punk, I had been along the Dominican-Haiti’s border. And let me tell you that one gets the feeling that you are somewhere in a remote village in Kenya or Ruanda; while the corrupt Band of Crooks drive Hummer and the latest SUVs models. This socio-economic un-balance or

(Cont).
Puke (cuz),
This socio-economic un-balance or disparity motivates these folks to put their lives in harm’s way and leave that living hell by any means necessary.
Ranger led the way!

LT/Punk/Cuz,
I was conducting a mission analysis on your verbiage: Troll, loathsome, disguise, bloody, prankster. And just came to the conclusion that you are one of those stranded foreigners, involved in one of the following activities; Married a charcoal darkey from Boca chica, a crook trying to con some ignorant Dominican soul / running from the law, an old retired drifter, or just a an old punk trying to have some fun in sunny DR. Enjoy it.
Blessings!
Rangers keep leading the way.

Nichee30-People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones. Do not criticize your neighbor when in particular the Welfare Colony of Pto Rico has plenty of faults and weaknesses. Comparative to the millions of dollars in direct of welfare aide and support from the US gov't your achievements have been minimal. I am very aware of my countries faults, but we have done much and advanced far with minimal resources. You need to first focus your attention and place your energy on the vast negative social and economic issues which direly impact the island of Pto Rico. There are plenty of horrendous "caserios" public housing projects, slums, drug-infested and crime ridden neighborhoods in San Juan to rival any underdeveloped country in the 3rd world. I have been there and saw it myself, walked the streets and barely made it out alive. I clearly remember just before landing L. Muñoz Marin airprt the plane flys over a derelick shanty town built of rusted tin roofs and salvaged wood planks

(cont) Mind you, I have nothing against Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans, I only dislike and dispise(not hate) but pity those who suffer from delusions of grandeur. I have an aversion for people with a superiority complex that in order to feel good about themselves, they need to discredit others. I reject anyone of any nationality or race who attempts to use faults and imperfections with the sole intent to belittle and demean others. I also view with disdain those who love "to see the straw in the eyes of others but fail to see the beam in their own." You are quick to recognize and point out our most tiniest flaws, but conveniently choose to ignore or discount your own, much larger flaws.

I am just a retired US Ranger who feels extremely passionate about his country without being blind to the social-political issues that affect our land.
This one excerpt above is from one of my poster. I am fully aware of our problems. However, how dare you to compare your social-economy problems with ours? That is really insane; you need to wake up and face reality. I am within my patriotic, nationalist pride to defend (which I had under fire) my turf. There are two Dominicans that I respect, because they symbolize responsible nationalism by exposing injustice and corruption. These two individuals are Freddy and Nuria; these are responsible communicators, and seekers of the truth. Some of the truth that, I have learned about your corrupt politicians, elected (yet incompetent) appointed officials. Have been the results of listening, or reading to these two “straight shooters” communicators. They talk about the illegal migration and the corrupt Dominican NAVY, crime infested slums,

Nichee30-OK, Mr Ranger Man, which country is it that you feel extremely passionate about? Are you talking about the colony of Pto Rico or the mainland USA? Because based on your comments you seem to be confusing one with the other, you interchange statements with words that only belong and pertain to the US and plug in PR into the picture as it were the same place. You need to make up your mind and keep things in perspective. Now tell me which two places do you defend your patriotic, nationalistic pride? Exactly which one are you talking about? Don't give PR credit that it does not deserve, because had it not been for the US your tiny little island would have sunk under the Caribbean sea a very long time ago. And you better believe that!! Pto Ricans were the first to migrate in mass numbers, long before any Dominicans even thought about idea, We Dominicans were very happy and content in our country and economic migration is just but only a recent phenomena in our contemporary history.

Nichee30- Let me give you a taste of reality. Put your Ranger Hat away and wake-up and smell the coffee. Pto Rico has no choice but to be a colony and remain dependent on the US. Otherwise in order to be independent it first had to raise the standard of living, create a middle class and create schools on their own and without outside intervention. All of which Pto Rico did not have and unable to achieve by themselves. For this reason and purpose the commonwealth status was created. It was the only alternative and hope for survival, otherwise anything else would have been the demise of Pto Rico. Independence meant the island would end up another banana republic much worse then the DR. Yet, today in the 21 century, the commonwealth system has become not only obsolete but it has been actually dentrimental to Pto Rico's progress. Pto Rico is in a constant state of Stagnation. The island who once produced the 2nd highest standard of living in Latin America, no longer can boast such a claim

Nichee30-I got you some numbers, If you know how to read and understand them it will tell you Pto Rico can not make it on its own anybody that looks at the number know this.
"Look at the GDP 2006=($73.35) Billion 2007= ($72.03) billion and 2008=($70.59) billion while the GDP growth per year is 2006=(0.5%) , 2007= (-1.8%) and 2008= (-2.0%) with a revenue of just ($6.7) billion and a expenditure of ($9.6) billions. The last reported external debt had it at 78% of it's GDP in 2006 which by the way CIA FAQ has stopped reporting but based revenue/expenditure most economist have come to agree that is some where around 90% as of 2008 and in 2009 some even claim 94%. Which means whether Puerto Rico becomes independent or not USA is going to control it because they already own 90+ % of the country. Anyways that's a problem Puerto Rican have to deal with on their own." Belly 5 June 2009 5:10 PM

Nichee30-Either way you are screwed. If PR becomes an independent Republic every knows it will never make it on its own but if it remains as a commonwealth the US will continue to own more and more until you completely loose it and your country will eventually disappear as a culture. Your Puerto Rican identity will simply no longer exist. The US really stuck it royally, up your you know what and without vaseline. It kind of like damn if you do and damn if you don't. At least the DR has a chance to return to our old glory days, when the Dominican Peso was worth more the the US dollar. Yes, buddy, while Puerto Rico was starving and your folks came to the DR in canoes to cut sugar cane along side with the Haitians, work on the railroads and the US was going through the Great Depression, we at the time had one of the highest economic growth rates in the world and we can boast that we did it all on our own and with no one's help. This is something Puerto Rico can never boast and never do.

MG G,
Nichee30- Let me give you a taste of reality. Put your Ranger Hat away and wake-up and smell the coffee. Pto Rico has no choice but to be a colony and remain dependent on the US.

First and foremost Rangers Do Lead the Way!!!! 27 years in the trenches, some of those years training your inefficient/illiterate, arrogant officers at the School of the Americas Panama ( not longer in existence) or, FT Benning Georgia. However, this is not about me; this is about the current economic state of your beloved Quisquella (by the way a beautiful place). It is really amazing how you get wrap up in irrelevant, meaningless data, while failing to look into the current avalanche of poverty that has buried the DR. in the last 50+ years. Hope you are not one of those "seudo-comuninist/socialist", who looks toward Cuba for cheap nationalistic ideas however, turns to Uncle Sam for bread and water. The Canal is a living witness of your current economic state as a result; it is one of the biggest

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“organized chaos” in Latin America.
Blessings!
Rangers delivering lethal punishment to those who get in our way!

We Dominicans were very happy and content in our country and economic migration is just but only a recent phenomena in our contemporary history.
Mr G,
I am really appalled at the excerpt above! You did not leave that living hell, because Trujillo would not let you leave. Thirty years ( 30) of one of the worse, brutal regime in the recorded history of the Western Hemisphere. I worked at the MAAG mission in DR; your history is one of brutality, corruption, power struggles, and irresponsible leaders such as Balaguer and his herd of thugs (la Banda in the late 60s and early 70s). The internal political, communist battles (Guerra de partidos) such as the MPD, 14 Junio, PACOREDO. Several communists’ uprisings such as, the uprising of Camaño (senior) Claudio, Amaury and others so called revolutionaries. You have not had a stable government in over 200 years. Take a course in International studies and see DR as it is perceived by the outside world. And I am not even talking about 24 A

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Take a course in International studies and see DR as it is perceived by the outside world. And I am not even talking about 24 April 65, when we had to reached out and snatched you away from the claws and fans of Castro.
Airborne Rangers: Best by test, tested by fire!

nichee30 said:
"Take a course in International studies and see DR as it is perceived by the outside world. And I am not even talking about 24 April 65, when we had to reached out and snatched you away from the claws and fans of Castro.
Airborne Rangers: Best by test, tested by fire!"

What about Haiti? Why are you shutting your mouth up to the fact that they're the worst man made disaster in the western hemisphere on the last 205 years, with their infinite series of civil wars between mulattos and blacks? Could it be that you're only another haitian in disguise? Why are you shutting your mouth to the fact that the US have the haitian coasts virtually blockaded to prevent "that horde of savage negroes" (by the words of some of your GOPs) from reaching the Floridan shores? Isn't a country who seem unable to survive without a "board of donors" to be considered disaster enough for your clueless sensitivities? (cont...)

(cont..) Are you going to be gutless enough to say that they, in their eternal prostration, misery and ineptness, are more of a country than us? Are you going to have the gall of saying that they're "the better part of this island"? In short, if it's not too much to ask, what is the reason behind your giving the morally repugnant haitian elites a pass?

Cuz,
Welcome back, hope you had recovered well after that massive tail whipping. You and your beloved Haiti!!!! Once again, your distant brothers on the Western part of the Island are your problem. You need to deal with them accordingly, and enforce your “non-existing/poorly enforced immigrations’ laws”. In fact, as I had mentioned in one of my previous post, “the Haitian problem is a self inflect one”. I am almost sure that you are not Dominican, but if you are remember, that for almost a century your government has been co-dependent of the Haitian labor force. This is not just limited to the sugar cane industry; but it also applies to every single segment of the daily life in the DR. Truthfully, is extremely difficult to differentiate between a Dominican and a Haitian. Just one happy family.
Airborne Ranger on the move!!

Massive tail whipping? buddy, you can't even scratch me with all those "ranger" BS, LOL. Pal, Vietnam is over, so you might as well drop all that crack that you are swallowing. It's not healthy for you to be passing your days indulging in those venomous substances, you know. If I had a dime for everytime you come up with an idiotic answer to evade facing the fact that we're the only functioning state and country on this island, I'd be as millionaire as Warren Buffet by now, monsieur "self-inflect one" (and here you have the gall of trying to pull my ears for grammar mistakes, LMAO). Keep up with your usual idiocies, jarhead, believe it or not, you're amusing in your own twisted and deluded ways. Have a very nice day, paper tiger.

The only thing that you have proven with all your pedantic boasting, monsieur nichee30, is that you're the typical textbook case of an internet troll, that is, an agent provocateur whose only objective is to derail the discussions on any given topic from the issue at hand, on this case, how Haiti's gross and monstrous overpopulation is affecting the dominican country (unless you're retarded enough to have overlooked the reading of the current article in the first place, which would not surprise me in the least), a fact that not even you, with all your bombastic mercenary boastfulness can cover, when even your country's relief agencies, like the UNFPA, have recorded this overpopulation (according to the former agency, every haitian family have 4 children as an average). What will you do when those refugees start spilling in earnest to your floridan and PR coasts, monsieur the self-inflect? will you bomb them into oblivion like you do with everything else on this world?

(and here you have the gall of trying to pull my ears for grammar msitakes, LMAO).
Old Punk,
I guess you had mis-spelled “mistake”! I am going to recommend you for a Pulitzer. I love your 1930s’ verbiage; by the way, you need to update your Webster. I will be in DR (CAPCANA) and if you can “walk that talk” let’s get together and, I will not only scratch your back but, I will also smash your old punk’s face up. If not, let me know when you will be in Villa Mella (WASHINGTON HEIGHTS NYC), I SHALL be delighted to pay you a visit.
You are co-dependent of your “brethren Haitians” (sounded just like you), however, we do not depend on your “field hands” therefore your "Balseros" are not welcome in our land. Once again, we welcome those who migrate legally and become productive citizens. We simply despise your “brethrens” I am referring to those who violate our international waters and try to enter our Island illegally.

Old Punk/ imported shit (I don’t think that you are Dominican).
I was too young during the Nam conflict. Let me give you a short block of instruction regarding the US Armed Forces. Jarhead is a term usually given to US Marines; Rangers are one of the elite, specialized groups within the Army, as well as SFs and Deltas. There you have it. BLUF (Bottom line up front), illegal Dominicans in PR are exhusting our social-economic resources, therefore they are not welcome. On the other hand your hatred towards your “kin folks Haitian is obvious but, once again it is a SELF-INFLICTED problem. It is really funny, simply because to look at a Dominican is to look at a clone of a Haitian.
Blessings!
75th Rangers on the move!

Dicen en English, "busted" como dicen los prietitos " hoo"... te voy a mandar la direccion de tu casa y todo... so you learn, how to pick your fight.

Rangers Docs healing Drs's good folks!!!!

"I am really appalled at the excerpt above! You did not leave that living hell, because Trujillo would not let you leave.
Nichee-I said economic migration, not political migration. Don't confuse one with the other. You always mix things up. When people go hungry, they find ways to excape, ain't nobody can't stop them. This was not the case during the Trujillo era. There was plenty of food and we had stability. It was one reason why the US gov't did not mess with El Jefe. The DR was a country of immigrants. No matter how bad, people kept coming in from all over the world. We had exiles from Spain, German refugees, Japanese, Syrian-Lebanese, Hungarians, Chinese, French and Italians. We also had plenty of Ricans, YEAH buddy, BORICUA'S, LIKE IT OR NOT. You guys came over to work like HAITIANS. Since 1898 til today, we still get a continuous flow of Cubans, most of which have settled in the Cibao. In San Pedro and La Romana thousands of migrants workers came from the Leeward Islands.

(conti) And to your surprise Nichee, even in present day times we are still getting plenty of foreigners to live in our beloved little country. It ain't just Haitians, OK. The city of Sto Dgo is very cosmopolitan. We have lots of Venezuelans, Colombians and Peruvians which have come to live and work as specialized artisans in the luxury condo industry. Not long ago when things got bad in Argentina, we got a large drove of Argentinians who migrated to the DR. At one time we had so many that a neighborhood in Sto Dgo was called little Buenos Aires. During the civil war in El Salvador many left to live in the DR. Today there is still a small but vibrant expat community of Salvadorens. We also have migrants from eastern Europe such as Croatia and Yogoslavia, most are found working in tourism. Then we have retirees from Canada, Italy, Spain, Germany and the US which come to take advantage of our low cost living. When things go bad elsewhere, the DR is where people go.

Nichee30 said: "illegal Dominicans in PR are exhusting our social-economic resources, therefore they are not welcome." In this statement I tend to side with you in part, but not 100%- I understand why people leave their country and sympathize with them. Humans have a natural instinct to survive and will do anything to stay alive. However, it does not make it right. And although to be undocumented is illegal, it is not immoral, unless you put your life and the life of others at risk. I am against illegal migration of anyone from any part of the world. There is a reason why migration laws are established, it is to maintain order and control, otherwise we will have chaos. But what you say it false, Illegal Dominicans do not exhaust social-economic resources. They barely represent less then 1% of the total population of Pto Rico and if they happen to use social services, it is only but a fraction of what the non-working Pto Ricans parasites have squeeze out of the Fed gov't for years

Mr G,
Have you been in your beloved Quisquella lately? The picture that you just described implies that DR is one of the most stable, and financially sound country in LA. Please wake up! Read your own news for God’s sake!!! In a country were the existing currency exchange is 35 pesos to a 1 dollar, and the average salary (if you can get a job) does not exceed the equivalent to $120.00 a month; You have the guts to tell me that your beloved RD is a financial, secure save haven for foreigners. Also to idolize an oppressive, brutal regime like Trujillo’s is to spit on the memory of the thousand of Dominicans who were murdered during those horrible 30 years of one of the worse dictatorships in the Americas. Follow by a series of coup de etas, fails communist uprising (14 Junio, Maimon Estero Hondo, April 65). Obviously you are giving me more than one reason to question your knowledge or rather lack of, your own history.
Ranger (Doc) on the move

Mr G,
Once again you are trying to justify the illegal migration due to a fail, corrupt economy. I had lived in DR the country has the resources to be financially stable and prosperous; the problem rest on the incompetent, inept, corrupt politician (all parties included). These Band of Bandits’ only objective is to suck dry all the economic resources of the country.
Rangers lead the way!

Nichee-What I said was something that occurred during the Trujillo era. Everything stated is historical fact. For 30 year the US gov't back and supported his regime and it was only after he went against American interests, were sanctions impose to mark the begining of his downfall. But the argument is about economic migration as a recent phenomena of Dominican history. Previously Dominicans did not leave for economic reasons, instead it was because of political persecution. THAT IS MY POINT. But even with the present economic world crisis we are still getting an influx of foreigners. Check out Las Terrenas in Samana, Cap Cana at Pta Cana and Bavaro, La Romana, Juan Dolio, Pto Plata and tons of other projects, 80% non-DR owners. Luxury condo towers are going up all over the place in Sto Dgo and Santiago. It is a paradox, but it is a reality which you fail to accept. Yes, we have poverty and many social concerns, I do not deny that but you fail to recognize any of our accomplishments.

Mr G,
Sorry but you keep twisting the facts; for 30 years your beloved Quisquella was oppressed physically and economically by the Trujillo’s Band of Bandidos. The poverty index was even lower compare to todays. In a country where one family had controlled of over 90% of the states assets and revenues. At least, today the DR has folks like you sending the almighty dollar to the country. In fact, these revenues surpass those generated by the tourism industry. I personally can attest one huge accomplishment: La UCE in SPM. Other than that, the infra-structure of the country dates back to the 1930’s; prevalent lack of basic services such as water, electricity, trash removal, health care……… and the list goes on and on.
Ranger on the move!!!

"At least, today the DR has folks like you sending the almighty dollar to the country.-" Sorry to disappoint you but my family has been economically stable since Trujillo days. I do not send money to any family member or relatives.Though we are generous to local charities. I traveled back and forth on a regular basis, except now due to the present downward economic cycle. My grandfather arrived from Europe during the turn of the century, married a Dominican. He establish himself as a successful business man, owned a company that employed many of your Puerto Rican brethrens during the 1930's and yes he also suffered political persecution, but was able to hold on and prosper. He believed in the DR, invested everything in his new country. Today, thanks to him, his descendants are enjoying the fruits of his labor. I too have the same vision like my grandther and his son after him (my dad) and feel positive about my country regardless of the bleak future that you want to portray.

What is it with all the hate? Treat others as you want to be treated! Don't complain when you get your "visa" and you start feeling the racism and prejudice when you arive!

Never felt discriminated or have been a victim of racism by any real American. In fact, I have been traveling back and forth to the US for the last 35 years and the only people that have attempted to put me down have been other Latinos who think they are superior or suffer from some sort of complex. It is a shame but our very own kind can be one of the worse culprits. Instead of uniting to become one strong force, they prefer to join the pecking order by stomping over others as if it were some sort of manner to reach and stay on top. To overcome their own feelings of inadequacy, they attempt to make others feel less, because it is the only way they know how to feel good about themselves.

Mr. G,
Please wake up and see DR as it is: gorgeous beautiful place with some “good” folks. However, it has been led by a BAND OF BANDITS. Unscrupulous, third world pukes, corrupt, murderers, dishonest and mainly apathetic to their own country’s needs. This is the problem with illegal migration; folks just can not take it any more and rather risk their own lives in the quest of better opportunities somewhere else; In this case PR.

Ranger (Doc)
Blessings!

Clave Digital is reporting that in the last ten years the DR has experienced a building boom. As a result 34.7% of all homes built in the DR were built during the last ten years. This is more home construction than any other period in the last 50 years. Of the 2,530,474 homes in the DR, 876,287 were built in the last ten years. The statistics from the 2007 National Survey on Income and Spending (Enigh 2007) indicate that 53.3% of Dominicans live in homes they've already paid for.

Nichee-NOT BAD FOR A "BACKWARD, 3RD WORLD UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRY".

Nichee-Let me tell you something. I do not deny that we have had unscrupulous and corrupt leaders. But I can personally attest that my life in the DR has been very good. The DR has been good to me and my family. The problem is that people lack faith in their country and to a point understandably so. But, If those folks that take "yolas" to PR would just stay home and work hard, save and invest in their country in the long run they would be 10 times better off then any place in the world. I have seen dozens of cases of those who have made the decision not to leave, remain in the DR and today are very successful people. I personally know quite a few who have turned in their green cards and don't want to returned or would never even think to set foot back on US soil again. In fact I know one case of some one who is entitled to collect social security benefits and refuses to accept it. So don't give me the BS that life in the US is sugar, spice and everything nice and nevermind PR

The American Dream has turned into a nightmere.

En Sto Dgo la Sra Natividad Tamárez empezó con una máquina y en diez años levantó una tienda. Una vez mas queda claramente comprobado, cuales son los resultados de trabajar duro y honradamente, es el exito para cualquier persona sin importar su sexo. No hay necesidad de incurir en oficios delictivos, ni tanpoco hacer viajes illegales en yolas, cuando precisamente en nuestro propio país hay oportunidades para aquellas personas que está dispuestá a trabajar como es debido. Veamos con nuestros propios ojos, como vienen inmigrantes de otro paises del mundo y muchas veces de paises mas desarollados y encuentran fortuna en la Rep Dom.

Esa es la solución a los problemas economicos para muchos, y la respuesta para nuestros nativos que todo se puede lograr con lucha, trabajo, sacrificio, ahorro, disciplina, persistencia, determinación, organizacion, unidad familiar, humildad, ausencia de vicios, equilibrio, esperanza, fe y la crencia en un Dios como ser supremo

Ricardo Nunez de Santiago tuvo el dinero y la oportunidad de irse en yola a Puerto Rico y convencido de que lo que le gusta es trabajar de manera independiente, descubrió su verdadera vocación: la venta de empanadas. ¡Así como lo lee! No se trata de una persona que tomó un anafe y harina y aceite, sino de un representante de una franquicia. Este negocio es rentable, hay buena entrada de dinero diario, es una oportunidad para que la juventud que quiere trabajar dignamente progrese. Esto sirva de ejemplo para las miles de personas que intentan viajar en yola, arriesgando sus vidas, disque para buscar mejores horizontes en tierras extranjeras. Con el mismo dinero que se utilisa para hacer viajes illegales, se puede invertir en nuestro propio país en micro-empresas, que en las mayoria de los casos, cuando se maneja bien, los resultados son casi siempre positivos. El es simplemente otro de los tantos muchos que le ha hido mejor quedandose en el pais trabajando duro y honradamente.

Mr G,

Me gusta tu sentido de optimismo! Talves un poco soñador y hasta romantico. Kudos para ti; sin embargo la realidad es un poco diferente. Tu miras a RD (como lo acabas de corroborar) desde el punto de vista de uno que lo ha tenido todo. Tus bienes y poseciones no representan el estado economico de la gran majoria. Para personas como tu las “yolas” representan un simbolo de verguenza delante del mundo, sin embargo es la realidad. Cuando pienso en Dominicana me acuerdo de un parrafo de “Gabo” cuando escribio,” El Coronel no tiene quien le escriba, que la mujer le pregunta, “Y que vamos a comer hoy y el responde M______A!. La necesidad collectiva es testigo evidente de las yolas.


Ranger (Doc)

Nichee-Call me a dreamer, optimist, romanticist what ever you want. I will not give up on my country, without dreams reality will not be possible. When my grandfather arrived in the DR it was under populated, barely 1mil people, with nothing but empty farm lands. But he had what most people lack, vision and faith, it paid off in the long run. He knew better not to depend on the gov't to solve his problems. It was only through personal efforts, initiatives and self-reliance, that he was able to overcome the obstacles one would encounter in a new and unknown place. He had no choice but to make the best of what he had. He was a smart, shrewed and self-made man, did not have a formal education, but worked hard and understood the value and mechanism of money. He suceeded where others had failed. His entrepreneurial spirit allowed him to overcome challenges and reach levels others thought not possible. This is the example and legacy my granddad left and gave to future generations to follow

To support my argument and for more credibility, below you will see info which might not make me appear so much like a dreamer and mind you the study was done by two of the Best business schools in the world, comparable to that of Harvard.

"Entrepreneurship is big in the DR. According to the Global Entrepreneurship Monitor, under the London School of Business and the Babson College report that entrepreneurship in the DR is at 20.4% in 2008, one of the highest in the GEM's 43-country ranking. In 2007, the level was 16.8%.
As reported in Listin Diario, a fifth of Dominicans has started a business in the past three years.
The level of entrepreneurship in the DR almost doubles that in the US. Guillermo Van Der Linde, dean of the School of Social and Business Sciences at the PUCMM university says, "One has to remember that there is entrepreneurship to make the most of opportunities, and as a last resort." (DR1 6/27/09-sec. #8) See www.gemconsortium.org