SANTO DOMINGO.- Haitian and Dominican intellectuals, politicians and personalities of finance will take part in a seminar on Haiti’s social-political, economic and environmental situation, organized by the Haitian Protestant Pastors Association, who reside in Dominican Republic.
The pastor Joel Prophete, who heads a Protestant Church in Higüey, coordinates the activity slated for August 29 and 30, journalists from the United States, Canada, Haiti, professors from an university of France, as well as political, business, unions and social leaders from different countries are expected to attend.
Haiti Electoral Board president Jacques Bernard, ex prime minister Marc Bazin; OPL Party president Edgar Leblanc; and Marie Carmel Austin, ex Education Minister during Jean Bertrand Aristide’s presidency have already confirmed their participation in the activity to be held in the Jaragua hotel.
The panels in the activity will deal with the ways through which Haiti’s economic and social stability can be restored, as well as the desertification which jeopardizes Haiti’s development.
From: United States Virgin Islands
This is an excellent step. Positive communication between Haitians and Dominicans is needed. Discussions should include actions that should be taken to solve the illegal immigration issue. In other words, what does Haiti need to do to provide employment for its poor on their own soil. Another issue that can be discussed is the discrimination that Haitians go through in the DR. One time I heard two Dominican business bankers say that they would not allow Haitians to open up a business in the DR. That is pretty scary. In the U.S., a lot of people do not like Mexicans but no one bothers them when they open up a bodega or any kind of business. Furthermore, there should be current Haitian and Dominican politicians and lawmakers involved in this meeting.
Written by: etiennc, 20 Jul 2009 8:43 PM
From: United States
I predict that the vultures will tear this idea apart when the read it.
Written by: Pepe32, 20 Jul 2009 9:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The vultures (carrion eaters) have already spoken,now it is the turn of Dominican Patriots!
First of all the comparison between the USA and it's Mexican problem and DR's Haitian problem are ridiculous!
As far as Haitians sitting down anywhere and discussing how to improve Haiti is welcome until they interfere in our sovereignty and our right to determine who can and cannot enter in the country
And as far as the Haitians in DR ,if it's so bad .go back to Haiti !
These are the only "mistreated and abused people" who kick and scream when being removed from the oppressor nation and who pay to be taken back to their "valley of miseries".
The demographic "peaceful invasion" cannot be permitted because it will destroy the Dominican Republic as we know it and set us back at least 100 years.
France,Canada and the US should assume the Haitian problem and leave us alone because we have more than enough to deal with without being invaded by people who have destroyed everything i
Written by: Pepe32, 20 Jul 2009 10:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
in the small parcel of land they accidentally inherited thanks to a small mosquito.They have destroyed the land,the economy and everything in their path even the billions sent there are like money thrown into a black hole because Haitians are not ready to govern themselves and need 50 to 100 years of occupation ,organization and education before they can begin to attempt to govern themselves .
But we (Dominicans)cannot permit them to do what they have done with the poster child for bad governance in this hemisphere destroy our already poor and backwards nation (we are not exempt from Haitian influence) .
Our government has to take control of the situation quickly or the situation will get out of control and then things will get really complicated .
Leonel is building the Metro on one hand while he is allowing a massive influx of people who would destroy everything that has cost us so much to achieve .
So while I truly hope the Haitians can fix their problems I will not rema
Written by: Pepe32, 20 Jul 2009 10:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
remain quiet while our government remains silent in the greatest threat to the Republic since Juan Pablo Duarte ,a threat the would make all the struggles of our Patriotic fathers a waste of sweat and blood and that would downgrade our nation ,destroy our Hispanic culture and inundate our nation with devil worship (already a problem) ,our environment would be laid bare by the locust-like waves coming from the west.
Now the the Pro-Haitian "Buitres" to sweep in on DOMINICAN today as agents of the only constant enemy DR has had since it's inception.!
Written by: etiennc, 20 Jul 2009 11:10 PM
From: United States
Well said Pepe but, who will listen to you ????
Written by: Lautaro, 21 Jul 2009 9:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Docpeters said: "In the U.S., a lot of people do not like Mexicans but no one bothers them when they open up a bodega or any kind of business."
<<sigh>>, when will you ever understand that the DR is not, doesn't have to be (and perhaps will never be) like the US? And before you say "because it's the right thing to do" or some other similar nonsense, there are many other countries that are waaay more xenophobic than ours, even among your own industrialized club (the European Union and Japan being conpiscuous on this, heck, Greece is even bulldozing the living quarters of the undocumented inmigrants on their land, for God's sake!.), and I don't see you crying bloody murder with them. In fact, one could say that the DR have been too laid back with its migrational issue in comparison with the countries mentioned above. (cont..)
Written by: Lautaro, 21 Jul 2009 9:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(cont...) Just ask a korean or a chinese what it's like to be a "gaijin" (foreigner) in Japan, I'm sure that they'll have plenty of tales to tell you (and not pretty ones at that, mind you). And all this despite the fact that they are all "yellow people". Besides, if the DR is only a land of slavery and death for the haitians in your eyes, why do they keep coming then to this land of suffering?
From: United States
Docpeters-"One time I heard two Dominican business bankers say that they would not allow Haitians to open up a business in the DR"
Go ahead, take personal conversations out of context, creating misinformation, misrepresenting what was actually said. What you did is a perfect example of how simple words can turn into gossip. You have no idea what the real conversation was about or what took place prior to the meeting between the two bankers for you to jump into any conclusion, so be careful what you say. On the high end, there are plenty of well to do and wealthy Haitian business people who have started, opened and transferred their businesses and initiated ventures in the DR because of a more favorable Dominican business climate. And what about all of the Haitian street peddlers and vendors you see all over the DR. I don't see anybody messing with them. They transact and do business as usual like anybody else. In the DR money has no color, race, creed, nationality and loyalty.
Written by: etiennc, 21 Jul 2009 12:48 PM
From: United States
Nobody listens to pepe, that is a good start.The vultures fly over good initiatives but can't come to devour them
Amen ! Good sense won aver bigotry.
From: United States
Pepe , the good thing about this forum is anonymity .Sometimes you are speaking to an intelligent Haitian Dominican and you are even aware of that.
See the caliber of those who are seeking to deal with the Haitian problems :Dominican intellectuals,politicians and personalities of finance.
Pepe (imbaugh ) you are crossing your fingers and wish they would fail.
Written by: antonioj, 21 Jul 2009 9:50 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Pepe32 is an interesting character.
Written by: Pepe32, 21 Jul 2009 11:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I also find it interesting how many Haitians spend time in our forums and how Haitians want us to change when they should be looking at the mirror and seeing that they have no standing to criticize any other nation given their abysmal failure on all counts
Written by: Pepe32, 21 Jul 2009 11:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
actually as usual Antonio you are wrong ,I wish 100% that they succeed because the enormous strain they place on my country would recede but knowing Haitians and Haitian history (not the fantastic tales of greatness Haitians are taught) make me very doubtful of any progress especially when most Haitian with half a brain have left long ago.
The problem is that for my country the current situation is unbearable and we are shouldering a large burden for others mistakes when we have more than enough our own issues so my interests do not lay with Haiti for that is an issue for people like you to solve and instead of dealing with Dominicans you should be dealing with Haitians to fix the problems in Haiti because we are definitely neither the cause nor the solution.
From: United States
PEPE 32 DO NOT LOSE HOPE I AM LISTENING TO YOU. i agree wholeheartedly with you. take these meetings right where they belong and that's on haitian soil. no disscussion needs to be made about what dominicans do on their own soil. we are not here to tell haitians how to conduct matters in haiti so they shouldnt be telling us on how to conduct matters in our own country. pepe you should join us in the forums for the fight on sovereignty in quisqueya. gracia mi socio!
From: Dominican Republic
Wow!!! Cuando van a terminar con esa baina?!?!?! Despiertan señores quieren o no quieren los haitianos son nuestros vecinos. Compartimos un pedasito de tierra en medio del caribe y el atlantico. Compartimos historia. Compartimos hasta familias, ellos siempre van a estar al otro lado de la frontera, siempre van a estar cruzando por acá. En que mundo viven ustedes?!?!?!?! Desde que naci estoy escuchando la misma baina!!!! Abren sus ojos, no vivimos en territorio como EE.UU/Canada/Mexico o los paises de Sud-America. Compartimos una isla, no un continente!!!!! Donde piensan ustedes que es más facil para ellos irse?!?!?!?!
From: United States
Pepe(Limbaugh) I was the one who claimed that you are praying that any initiative to help solve the Haitian problems should fail not Sir Antonio
Pepe(limbaugh) a pessimist (you)says :it is going to rain.An optimist says :it is not going to rain.A realist ( read over the article) says:well .let 's get our umbrella .
(wannabe)Mirabal4ever, I have read the story of the Mirabal sisters over and over.I have seen the movie "In the time of the butterflies" and read the book over and over,you are not a Miarabal.
No wonder you have not used a capital M in Mirabal.This shows the lack of respect you have for these courageous ladies
From: United States
i have every right to put my name in any capital lower case size font or style.etiennc 01dont try to get personal here because all you are doing is diverting attention to whats really going on or that should be focused on. you are a typical afronazi delegating an barking orders on telling the owner of his own home on how to manage it. in typical troll like fashion you strut around looking to enslave people to pay your debts. your father dessalines will have a companion to accompany him in the grave mark my words. the remaining mirabal sister has a home in salcedo by the way! so much for you a fool saying im not a mirabal. yes in lower case the way i want it. MONO!
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jul 2009 10:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Al de nombre Moro terrorista, el compartir una isla o un espacio de tierra no implica que tenemos que compartir Patria!
Tus comentarios son uno de los mas irracionales que he leido aqui y que conste que he leido muchos aqui. Voy a gastar un poco mis dedos explicando lo que es logico y no emocional como tu descarga.irracional y mal escrita.
En primer lugar nada tiene que ver el tamaño ni la designación de un territorio para definir la fronteras entre naciones ,por eso existen naciones enormes que abarcan mas de un continente como Rusia y naciones muy pequeñas como la mia(no se si la tuya) que comparten luna isla con otra nacion.
Si compartimos historia ,pero es justamente esa historia que enseña la pesta que ha sido para nuestra nacion tener a los Haitianos como vecinos con multiples invasiones Haitianas ,matanzas a nuestra gente por parte de los Haitianos. Otra cosa tambien tenemos mucha historia con Puerto Rico Cuba ,Venezuela,Colombia y EEUU y sin embargo no hablariamos de u
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jul 2009 10:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
union con alguno de ellos a pesar que tenemos mucho mas en comun con Cuba y Puerto Rico que con el vecino del oeste de la isla.
Sobre que algunos comparten familias con los Haitianos es una verdad desafortunada ,pero no somos todos los que compartimos esa malafortunada procedencia y eso tampoco significa que hay que dejar los intereses DOMINICANOS para favorecer a los Haitianos y a Haiti .Cualquiera que piensa de esa manera no es DOMINICANO sino un enemigo de la Patria y si tanto te gustan los Haitianos ve a Haiti y ayudalos! Nosotros tenemos Chinos ,Españoles,Arabes,Cocolos (Islas Inglesas) y gente de muchas procedencias pero el interes de todo Dominicano debe de ser antes de todo la Nacion Dominicana y si prefieren a Haiti y la defienden a capa y espada a pesar del daño que han hecho los Haitianos a nuestra Patria y el verdadero peligro demografico que representan no son Dominicanos sino una quinta columna enemiga que no merece la Patria de Duarte Sanchez y Mella.
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jul 2009 10:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yo vivo en el mundo de la realidad que dicta que la invasion Haitiana es una invasion dañina para MI Patria y de todo Dominicano que quiera su Patria no de los que permitirian que se vuelva un caso perdido como la dizque nación vecina.
Nada bueno viene de Haiti para nuestra Patria y el bajar los brazos solo traera el fin de la causa que tanta sangre costo a nuestros heroes.
Lo ultimo es lo mas chistoso ,ya que es obvio que tenemos la desfortuna de estar al lado de Haiti pero eso no significa que no se puede detener la avalancha humana que nos cae encima porque de pensar asi estariamos en la marcha funebre de la Republica Dominicana y a un Haitiano se le entiende que defienda los intereses Haitianos pero el Dominicano que hace los mismo es un traidor a la Patria que no merece ser llamado Dominicano aunque la mayoria son Dominicanos en EEUU infectados por las ideas Afro-Nazi y el racismo inverso implusado por esos personajes.
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jul 2009 10:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Asi es que deja de sulfurarte porque no todos estamos vendiendo nuestra Patria al PEOR postor que terminaria convirtiendo la isla entera en una letrina enomre
From: United States
Pepe32,Restauracion is a the third largest city in the province of Dajabon., Domonican RepublicI t is located in the northwest portion of the island, in the Cibao region.
Puedes decirnos la razon historical de este nombre:Restautacion.
Written by: Pepe32, 23 Jul 2009 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ahora viene el Piti Etienne a desviar el tema...caraxo si xoden esta gente!!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Pepe32:
"No hay mal que dure 100 años ni cuerpo que lo resista"
Good work !
Written by: antonioj, 24 Jul 2009 7:29 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Pretty self serving pepe32, your statements strike me as being a pearl of wisdom, remarkably your credibility is enhanced, when the cheers are coming from none other than the great JRRubirosa.
From: Dominican Republic
Pepe32 did an EXCELLENT JOB in explaining our feelings and describing the atittude of the invaders with regards to the destruction of the whole island.
I completely endorse and I echo PEPE32 comments! WELL DONE!
The only thing I will add is that we, the people of DR, must take the law into our own hands and use force to purge the Haitian out of DR. We must take their children and women, deny them social services, and dump them back to Anse Pistre or Ouanaminthe. We must then use kinetic force to evict the Haitian males out of our territories.
We can't wait for the government or the private sector or the military or the politician or the religious to do anything (they all support the illegal invasion). It is up to "us" to inflict pain and disconfort to the illegal. The time for being humanist, pacifist, socialist, and compasionist IS OVER! The invaders have abused our hospitality.
From: Dominican Republic
One more thing, the destructive attitude, destructive behavior, destructive expectations, destructive perception, and destructive reasoning of the Haitian IF IT IS NOT ADDRESSED, Haiti will implode!
How the hell do you explain 9.6 million people in one third of the island (growing at 2.8 % annually)? Where are the resources to sustain that humanity? The only explanation is the poor and sick mental health of the Haitian and A NATION-WIDE PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE ISLAND BY CREATING AN UNSTOPPABLE AVALANCHE OF HUMANITY TO OVERUN WHATEVER DR HAS LEFT! Analogous to the Fire ants of Africa (which by the way the freaking Haitian brought in to the island) that sweep and destroy everything!
We must stop the maggots or we are dead!
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First of all the comparison between the USA and it's Mexican problem and DR's Haitian problem are ridiculous!
As far as Haitians sitting down anywhere and discussing how to improve Haiti is welcome until they interfere in our sovereignty and our right to determine who can and cannot enter in the country
And as far as the Haitians in DR ,if it's so bad .go back to Haiti !
These are the only "mistreated and abused people" who kick and scream when being removed from the oppressor nation and who pay to be taken back to their "valley of miseries".
The demographic "peaceful invasion" cannot be permitted because it will destroy the Dominican Republic as we know it and set us back at least 100 years.
France,Canada and the US should assume the Haitian problem and leave us alone because we have more than enough to deal with without being invaded by people who have destroyed everything i
But we (Dominicans)cannot permit them to do what they have done with the poster child for bad governance in this hemisphere destroy our already poor and backwards nation (we are not exempt from Haitian influence) .
Our government has to take control of the situation quickly or the situation will get out of control and then things will get really complicated .
Leonel is building the Metro on one hand while he is allowing a massive influx of people who would destroy everything that has cost us so much to achieve .
So while I truly hope the Haitians can fix their problems I will not rema
Now the the Pro-Haitian "Buitres" to sweep in on DOMINICAN today as agents of the only constant enemy DR has had since it's inception.!
<<sigh>>, when will you ever understand that the DR is not, doesn't have to be (and perhaps will never be) like the US? And before you say "because it's the right thing to do" or some other similar nonsense, there are many other countries that are waaay more xenophobic than ours, even among your own industrialized club (the European Union and Japan being conpiscuous on this, heck, Greece is even bulldozing the living quarters of the undocumented inmigrants on their land, for God's sake!.), and I don't see you crying bloody murder with them. In fact, one could say that the DR have been too laid back with its migrational issue in comparison with the countries mentioned above. (cont..)
Go ahead, take personal conversations out of context, creating misinformation, misrepresenting what was actually said. What you did is a perfect example of how simple words can turn into gossip. You have no idea what the real conversation was about or what took place prior to the meeting between the two bankers for you to jump into any conclusion, so be careful what you say. On the high end, there are plenty of well to do and wealthy Haitian business people who have started, opened and transferred their businesses and initiated ventures in the DR because of a more favorable Dominican business climate. And what about all of the Haitian street peddlers and vendors you see all over the DR. I don't see anybody messing with them. They transact and do business as usual like anybody else. In the DR money has no color, race, creed, nationality and loyalty.
Amen ! Good sense won aver bigotry.
See the caliber of those who are seeking to deal with the Haitian problems :Dominican intellectuals,politicians and personalities of finance.
Pepe (imbaugh ) you are crossing your fingers and wish they would fail.
The problem is that for my country the current situation is unbearable and we are shouldering a large burden for others mistakes when we have more than enough our own issues so my interests do not lay with Haiti for that is an issue for people like you to solve and instead of dealing with Dominicans you should be dealing with Haitians to fix the problems in Haiti because we are definitely neither the cause nor the solution.
Pepe(limbaugh) a pessimist (you)says :it is going to rain.An optimist says :it is not going to rain.A realist ( read over the article) says:well .let 's get our umbrella .
(wannabe)Mirabal4ever, I have read the story of the Mirabal sisters over and over.I have seen the movie "In the time of the butterflies" and read the book over and over,you are not a Miarabal.
No wonder you have not used a capital M in Mirabal.This shows the lack of respect you have for these courageous ladies
Tus comentarios son uno de los mas irracionales que he leido aqui y que conste que he leido muchos aqui. Voy a gastar un poco mis dedos explicando lo que es logico y no emocional como tu descarga.irracional y mal escrita.
En primer lugar nada tiene que ver el tamaño ni la designación de un territorio para definir la fronteras entre naciones ,por eso existen naciones enormes que abarcan mas de un continente como Rusia y naciones muy pequeñas como la mia(no se si la tuya) que comparten luna isla con otra nacion.
Si compartimos historia ,pero es justamente esa historia que enseña la pesta que ha sido para nuestra nacion tener a los Haitianos como vecinos con multiples invasiones Haitianas ,matanzas a nuestra gente por parte de los Haitianos. Otra cosa tambien tenemos mucha historia con Puerto Rico Cuba ,Venezuela,Colombia y EEUU y sin embargo no hablariamos de u
Sobre que algunos comparten familias con los Haitianos es una verdad desafortunada ,pero no somos todos los que compartimos esa malafortunada procedencia y eso tampoco significa que hay que dejar los intereses DOMINICANOS para favorecer a los Haitianos y a Haiti .Cualquiera que piensa de esa manera no es DOMINICANO sino un enemigo de la Patria y si tanto te gustan los Haitianos ve a Haiti y ayudalos! Nosotros tenemos Chinos ,Españoles,Arabes,Cocolos (Islas Inglesas) y gente de muchas procedencias pero el interes de todo Dominicano debe de ser antes de todo la Nacion Dominicana y si prefieren a Haiti y la defienden a capa y espada a pesar del daño que han hecho los Haitianos a nuestra Patria y el verdadero peligro demografico que representan no son Dominicanos sino una quinta columna enemiga que no merece la Patria de Duarte Sanchez y Mella.
Nada bueno viene de Haiti para nuestra Patria y el bajar los brazos solo traera el fin de la causa que tanta sangre costo a nuestros heroes.
Lo ultimo es lo mas chistoso ,ya que es obvio que tenemos la desfortuna de estar al lado de Haiti pero eso no significa que no se puede detener la avalancha humana que nos cae encima porque de pensar asi estariamos en la marcha funebre de la Republica Dominicana y a un Haitiano se le entiende que defienda los intereses Haitianos pero el Dominicano que hace los mismo es un traidor a la Patria que no merece ser llamado Dominicano aunque la mayoria son Dominicanos en EEUU infectados por las ideas Afro-Nazi y el racismo inverso implusado por esos personajes.
Puedes decirnos la razon historical de este nombre:Restautacion.
"No hay mal que dure 100 años ni cuerpo que lo resista"
Good work !
I completely endorse and I echo PEPE32 comments! WELL DONE!
The only thing I will add is that we, the people of DR, must take the law into our own hands and use force to purge the Haitian out of DR. We must take their children and women, deny them social services, and dump them back to Anse Pistre or Ouanaminthe. We must then use kinetic force to evict the Haitian males out of our territories.
We can't wait for the government or the private sector or the military or the politician or the religious to do anything (they all support the illegal invasion). It is up to "us" to inflict pain and disconfort to the illegal. The time for being humanist, pacifist, socialist, and compasionist IS OVER! The invaders have abused our hospitality.
How the hell do you explain 9.6 million people in one third of the island (growing at 2.8 % annually)? Where are the resources to sustain that humanity? The only explanation is the poor and sick mental health of the Haitian and A NATION-WIDE PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE ISLAND BY CREATING AN UNSTOPPABLE AVALANCHE OF HUMANITY TO OVERUN WHATEVER DR HAS LEFT! Analogous to the Fire ants of Africa (which by the way the freaking Haitian brought in to the island) that sweep and destroy everything!
We must stop the maggots or we are dead!