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SANTO DOMINGO.- Dominican Republic’s Environment Minister on Wednesday  affirmed that Haitians are devastating the border region, for which the government’s grave environmental concern is to put a halt to illegal cutting of trees, action he attributes to the neighboring country’s citizens who make charcoal to sell.

Jaime David Fernandez Mirabel said the situation has led to a siphoning of funds which the government originally allocated to preserve and expand the forests, through the program Quisqueya Verde.

The ex Vice President said however that in the rest of the country there’s absolute control over illegal lumbering to make charcoal, after a government program has helped hundreds of thousands of homes to buy cooking gas.

"In the rest of the country there’s absolute control over the cutting of trees to make charcoal, by the implementation of the Bonogás program, through which around 800,000 of the country’s most impoverished homes receive a subsidy to purchase cooking gas, through the Bonogás card,” said Fernandez Mirabal, interviewed on the TV program El Diario.

He warned that as long as the demand for charcoal in the neighboring country persists the Haitians’ depredatory action at the border region will continue, because most homes don’t even have stoves. “Our attention is centered in preserving the border region’s natural resources, where the Haitians take advantage of any opportunity to chop down trees on this side of the border strip.”

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67 comment(s)
Written by: buenoha, 5 Aug 2009 11:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
That is one badly watched border then. Diablo, first time I hear you can steal things as big as trees and cross the border with them!!!! Then there is absolutely no control at all at the DR-Haitian border. The wall needs to come up soon!
Written by: josean, 5 Aug 2009 11:19 AM
From: United States
Maybe St. James can "Cement" the border!
Written by: WalterPolo, 5 Aug 2009 11:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Wake up those lazy starving would-be Rambos and put them to work.

Also, fire the generals in charge of CESFRONT in that area.
Written by: xwill7, 5 Aug 2009 11:24 AM
From: United States, Chicago
Buenoha,
the border wall is good but what will happen when their land is so dry that they can not even grow anything? Then the hunger war will get bad
Written by: telemeco, 5 Aug 2009 12:00 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
the goverment need to emty the MODERATE prisoner and offer the prisoner pardon of they sentence and hire them to build a 240 mile north to south WALL, move 1% of the GDP or those 20 dollar that tourist pay,,use it to pay for the WALL contruction.
made law again the hiring of illegal haitian, and fine the industry that does make the hiring.
Mechanicism the sugar cane industry so there is no need for haitian in the sugar cane fields


In another note,,prisoner labor can also clean up the beach and taken them to school to teach student not to be like them, it would be a positive experience for youth and for the prisoner
Written by: vacanos, 5 Aug 2009 2:13 PM
From: United States
this is no surprise and if the trend continue between the unscrupulus politician, the guagueros, the militares in the fronteras this is going for long UNLESS WE THE PEOPLE THE SUCKER FOR A LONG TIME go on a revolution to control our border. For christ sake the last time a military post in dajabon was used as a punishment you have to go back to the Balaguer era. At least Balaguer acted as a dominican protecting the border and our environment.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 5 Aug 2009 2:28 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

Increaser CESFRONT to 5,000 men with order to shoot on sight if Haitians are cutting our trees and watch how that will end....


500 men to watch the border isn't good enough
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 2:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
far more important enviromental issue than cement plant......................but nothing the whiners and complainers can picket anybody over
Written by: brasilenos4ever This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"UNLESS WE THE PEOPLE THE SUCKER FOR A LONG TIME go on a revolution to control our border." "5,000 men with order to shoot on sight if Haitians "

I've been on this earth for just 32 years and in all my life I've never heard of some of the most stupidiest, craziest comments as I see here in this forum when it relates to these Haitians. A revolution for cutting a tree? Shoot to kill for cutting a tree?

5000 men on the border to guard against cutting a tree? Also, you cannot simply mechanialized the sugar cane industry. Maybe if you yourself worked in the fields or in the industry, you will know that you need field hands to do work that a machine simply canot do. As I've said in other posts, who cares about these types of jobs. get an education and pursue jobs in areas that are more promising instead of in the construction & tobacco, sugar cane industry.

Stop using haitians as scapegoats for unemployment in the D.R.
Written by: josean, 5 Aug 2009 2:52 PM
From: United States
brasilenos4ever,

You are 1000% right!
Written by: xwill7, 5 Aug 2009 3:26 PM
From: United States, Chicago
5,000 cesfront??? That would just be a huge party. Who brings the brugal and the working girls?
Written by: poponlaburra, 5 Aug 2009 4:14 PM
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
xwill,
Their land is already so dry! That is why they are cutting our trees!!!

The wall must be built, that is the second priority after Los Haitises, and we need to picket for the Border Wall.

telemeco, yes, prisoner labor can also clean up the beach and taken them to school to teach student not to be like them, it would be a positive experience for youth and for the prisoner.

As you can see we have plenty of cheap labor in our jails and poor neighborhoods, WE do not to employ Haitians!!!
Written by: vacanos, 5 Aug 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States
haitian troll "Stop using haitians as scapegoats for unemployment in the D.R."


wait for that quote when you see dominicans talking about employment ok brutu. dont get ahead of yourself there sancho pansa
poor haitian if he only knew that his people are cutting tree in dr side to make charcoal in his country. no wonder his country is a dump. we got no haitian leadership in the near future to understand 1+1.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Aug 2009 4:23 PM
From: United States
popon as always well said
Written by: mirabal4ever This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 4:43 PM
From: United States
yes the right president that will in the future reside over these matters is what its going to take. we need the balaguers back in office that preserve the sovereignty of our beautiful republic.
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 5 Aug 2009 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas

Haitian Troll: " A revolution for cutting a tree? Shoot to kill for cutting a tree?"

You bet your monkey ass I'll shoot you over a precious Caoba , Roble or Guayacan tree, you stupid ignorant predator, no wonder your side of the island is such a dry hole.

But is not the Haitians fault , this people only do this because they CAN, is our so called leaders that are responsible for enforcing the laws and protecting the land, if they're not doing it then is us that have to take action.

I say lets go to the border and start kicking culos for a while, I'm sorry but that is the only language this people understand.

Written by: vacanos, 5 Aug 2009 5:15 PM
From: United States
i remember those day when cutting of tree was a taboo the mere thinking about it will sent you to jail. at least our population was educated in that aspect. in the fronteras is where the haitians can play us as fool since they can cross back. if one of them try to pull the same stunt outside the fronteras it will probably mean a hatian less vandalizing our country.
Written by: dipit99, 5 Aug 2009 5:15 PM
From: United States
"In the rest of the country there’s absolute control over the cutting of trees to make charcoal" I LAUGH AT THAT! Recently while visiting family in the Los Jardines section of Boca Chica, there were trees being cut and burned everyday by Haitains and Dominicans! They sell sell a large bag of "carbon" for RD$300. So, Jaime David Fernandez Mirabel should send some "troops" to stop the cutting and burning there.
Written by: xwill7, 5 Aug 2009 5:22 PM
From: United States, Chicago
You should report them when you see them selling carbon
Written by: vacanos, 5 Aug 2009 5:25 PM
From: United States
dip you saw them burning tree and you did nothing?
Written by: danny00, 5 Aug 2009 6:46 PM
From: United States
telemeco from new york said "no need for haitians in the sugar cane fields"...
i guess they dont have sugar cane fields in the bronx!..... and they dont have the hot tems we have in the dr. i also think this fellow has never even seen a field. in around the puerto plata area the haitians work the fields from early in the day until its almost dark for $600rds.....do i have to say more?...
Written by: danny00, 5 Aug 2009 6:55 PM
From: United States
i remember a few years ago one "general" had this troops cutting down trees and was selling them..... no haitians where involved in this fraud.only one dominican gereral who i believe would not read or write..... this is when his buddy hippo was in office...and if you build a wall one general will only steal it and sell it on the black market so why bother?
Written by: telemeco, 5 Aug 2009 7:45 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
Actually Dannyoo if you know DR and you where this is, Sabana Grande de Boya, there are plenty of sugar cane field, i am front there, am i still say mechanism the whole system Brazil have lot of sugarcane field and they are mechanism .. we have to remove the need for these people there botton line,, and i case you need one or want to learn about it the sugarcane cutting machine, here is the website

http://www.ecplaza.net/search/1s1....l/sugar_cane_cutting_machine.html

and this is Sabana grande de Boya satellite picture,,all the GREEN, is sugar cane

http://www.geonames.org/3493482/sabana-grande-de-boya.html
Written by: etiennc01, 5 Aug 2009 7:57 PM
From: United States
all the vernom spiters are invited.
ok now, go at each other's throats
Written by: allumeuseGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 8:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
To Bras_hole, the only language the Haitian understand is violence so we must shoot them when they violate DR! Trees are essential to DR and the island for survival but stupid people like BAZZHOLE want to undermine our only natural resource left on the island.

BRAS_HOLE, before 1985, we Dominican did all the agricultural (except sugar) and construction work. We also do the dirty work in PR and in the northeast corridor of the U.S. So what that hell "not doing low wages jobs" have to do with "cutting trees"? Ask the BRAS_HOLE for his weird logic!

SHOOT THE VIOLATORS ON SIGHT! The Dominican people should UNILATERALLY SHOOT THE INTERLOPERS AND DESTROYER OF OUR FLORA! Don't wait for the government! Take action and do the next generation a favor (also the PORT OF PIGS GOVERNMENT WILL THANK YOU TOO) by shooting these animals!
Written by: allumeuseGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I am sure that if the situation was the other way around the Haitian will have machete down hundreds of Dominican!
Written by: DominicanChic, 5 Aug 2009 8:38 PM
From: United States, New York
"A revolution for cutting a tree?" - Yes, it seems you are unaware that the ecological disaster in Haiti has been the biggest contributing factor to its poverty. Deforestation makes natural disasters worse than what they would originally be, contributing to greater damage and more deaths when they occur. We understand that foreigners like you brasil could care less, but we Dominicans do care. We did not ask to have a destitute country put next door and we should not have to pay for their mistakes.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Aug 2009 8:50 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitians are a bunch of uncivilized creatures and regardeless how much help and aid They get it will never be good enough for those of you that don't agree with me there is a book called "The fate
of Africa" by Martin Meredith so if You have time, US$20.00 and want to learn please buy, read it and analize this book to make your mind.

South Africa had an apartheid for many decades but Nelson Mandela wasn't an angel either and
besides the whole country is falling apart after They let these supposedly creatures from God
rule the country, before they had civilization now they have chaotic, wild and out of way controlling
environment.

Written by: allumeuseGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 8:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dominicanchick this brasilenos is a Haitian disguised as a want to be Brazilian with a deep love for proAfrican expansion!
Written by: Micaela, 5 Aug 2009 9:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So Danny00, because a Dominican woman commit fraud is USA, because other Dominicans are criminals too, or more to the point, because all Dominicans are not saints, we should allow the Haitians to cut DR trees to make charcoal and turn the whole island into a big Haiti if they feel like it?

Let's us build the wall, shot on site any would be trespasser and worry later about any general that can steal it.
Written by: guest809, 5 Aug 2009 9:32 PM
From: United States
I hope that we all can get past the hysteria, think logically. The Dominicans will truly have to patrol the boarder more diligently. But "Build a Wall !!!!" No, save your money, tunnels can be dug faster than any wall can be built. And Walls are such ugly things, that just keeps honest people honest. Request help from the International comunity. The UN and one of it's many agency. Why shouldn't they put a big effort into the infra structure of Haiti. I know personally several Haitianos that are of high moral standards and dear people. How hard it must be for those that do live there and try to help their fellow Haitians, it must be like 3 steps forward and 4 steps backwards. May God bless both countries, maybe there is a spiritual law that will help both countries to see that there will be a brighter future for both the Haitians in their own country and the poor Dominicans that have to resort to cutting trees illigally also.
Written by: allumeuseGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Aug 2009 9:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Compassion, pacifism, humanism, socialism, praying? That is going to fix the problem? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? VIOLENCE, FORCE, AND KINETIC ENERGY must be used against the Haitian so that they respect Dominican sovereingty!

Just looked what happened after 1937, ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION STOP AFTER 1937! Trujillo was right! FORCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM!
Written by: telemeco, 5 Aug 2009 9:46 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
Wondering if Dominican can create the Dominican version of the MINUTEMAN at the border?
Written by: glomarexplorer, 5 Aug 2009 11:14 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
I don't buy idea that this type of ecological crime can not be stopped. Look, the armed forces are very effective in stopping all protests/marches to the national palace. A tree is not exactly easy to hide or to down without noise or being noticed.

Let's stop this ecological rape before situation gets too dire to redress.

Although we may not realize it, our own survival may hinge on our ability to stop desertification, for it is a process that is much too difficult to reverse, once it has taken hold.

Without language, border and culture you have no country, and that's probably where we are. Let's enforce rule of law and severely punish criminals who destroy our lush green patrimony. BTW, on this specific issue, I don't give a damn about liberal thinking. Hang some people if necessary, but preserve are lush green paradise.
Written by: DominicanChic, 5 Aug 2009 11:27 PM
From: United States, New York
guest809, you have very generous feelings, but in our case the international community is the enemy. Take a guess at who funds all the NGO's working in DR that prevent the government from implementing a serious repatriation policy? Did you know that several years ago a UN agency actually threatened to charge DR with "ethnic cleansing" if they deported descendants of Haitians even though the sovereign country that is DR has determined time and time again that they do not have access to the Dominican nationality? The superpowers that fund international organizations want to keep Haitians out of their countries at all cost, they don't care what they do within the island of Hispaniola as long as they don't get out. If they can't cut trees in DR to sell charcoal guess at whose doorstep they are going to show up at?
Written by: mirabal4ever This user is banned, 6 Aug 2009 8:32 AM
From: United States
yes the right president that will in the future reside over these matters is what its going to take. we need the balaguers back in office that preserve the sovereignty of our beautiful republic.
Written by: truthbtold195, 6 Aug 2009 9:04 AM
From: United States
DR has been blaming hatians for a very long time now. Trujillo blamed lack of jobs, crime, low fund etc..on haitian and decided to go on a mass murdering spree. If you look deeper into the situaion it had nothing to do with Jobs, crime etc. It was self hatred trujillo himself was part haitian. There were other as well who did the same for example Hitler he was also mixed with european Jew and was not even blonde like he wanted everyone else to be. Haitians are part of our country whether we like it or not . W/O them there would not be a Spanish D. Rep(read a little people). Haitians and even dark skinned dominican are being used as scape goats just like it is in the USA.
Acrdng to the cmnts listed there is a trmndus amount of ignorance still in DR and people are allowing themselves to be influence by the government. dont let an official tell you that its all the haitians fault. They know that hatred is still deep rooted in most. Look deeper and dare i say think 4urslf. We are all 1
Written by: truthbtold195, 6 Aug 2009 9:36 AM
From: United States
answer to JRrubirosa, Dude Trujillo a patriot do you know ur history..Trujillo was making back deals with anyone who wanted to buy our natural resources. He did not care about the country he wanted power. HAitians owned the whole island at one pont first president of DR was haitian..haitians defeated the french and spaniards off the island. Haitians after we defeated them still helped us with money and develop our country. Your missing the Point, There is deep rooted hatred in our country started by your patriot trujillo. THere was no difference between Trujillo and Hitler I am assuming that you probably feel more sorry for the Jews since they are white. Read all these articles blaming everything on haitians...its just like where i live blame everything on a hispanic or black first....That ignarance has to stop at some point for a nation to move forward. Stop being oignorant (which only means to get educated on the issue)
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 6 Aug 2009 10:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
Haitian Troll said:
"DR has been blaming hatians for a very long time now"

Dude Haitians soil is the only proof you need to understand the devastation your people are capable of, and now as projected to happend by experts the devastation is spreading to DR territory.

Recently user yamuk posted a thread about dominican fauna and wild life, a very interesting post with some of the most amazing pics i have ever seen of lago enriquillo and other natural wonders of my country, and just the Thought of somebody cutting trees in those parks and protected areas is disturbing to me, I don't care if you're dominican or haitian if it was up to me I will spray people with gun fire on the spot.

si no nos ponemos las pilas muy pronto toda esa bellesa natural se convertira en un decierto, y las futuras generaciones de dominicanos solo las veran en fotos.

triste pero cierto
Written by: generoso, 6 Aug 2009 10:27 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Haitians have been predators and scavengers of trees and flora. The reforestation program in Haiti was a dismal failure because the young trees were cut early with passionate recklessness.
The failure of the DR authorities to enforce our border boundaries is being tested on a daily basis, and the border is a pirate zone, and no man's land, harboring illegal immigration traffic, not only from Haiti but from other nationalities that want to enter DR to get closer to Puerto Rico, drug and arms smuggling, modern slave trade, minor labor and exploitation, and all kinds of illicit trade.
Few arguments can be said about keeping the porous border status quo, with the exception of the interested parties that do not care about the preservation of our DR as a nation, and want to sell us out to the foreign powers, for their 30 pieces of silver.
Good fences make good neighbors, the same way we protect our home and premises, is the same way we have to protect our beloved country.
Written by: truthbtold195, 6 Aug 2009 11:12 AM
From: United States
thanks generoso for not bringing race into play............For the record I am not haitian I am Dominican.
But generoso and a few others are the only ones that have respond w/o degrading or blaming a whole nation about the issue. But its evident that racial stereotypes and a racist mindset keeps us from taking personal respnsibility. Also, I am all for conservation of our enviroment whether its national or internation. I don't see how setting up more soldiers to shoot on site or another berlin wall will help. Shooting people come on..what about human right how civilized will that be. The border does need to improve and efforts have to improve on both sides. I feel that is wrong of us to say to keep all haitians out of DR (for the record in the Rich areas of Haiti guess who has some of the jobs in these houses, Dominicans.) Its like saying that Mexicans have no right to b in the USA or even the spanish language should b erased from the USA. Walls can always be climbed..educate 1st
Written by: generoso, 6 Aug 2009 12:13 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
truthbetold
Your arguments are lacking, a wall or other anti-trespassing measures to protect the DR are urgently needed. The USA as we speak is tightening the US-Mexico borders with a wall and other security measures.
Dominicans have right and a duty to protect themselves against trespassers, looters and scavengers, Haitians or any other nationalities, black, white or yellow epidermis, and just like we protect our personal property, we have to safeguard our country as well.
Good fences make good neighbors.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 6 Aug 2009 2:57 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Truthbtold195:

If you are Dominican then I'm Swedish ! BS
Written by: Trujillo, 6 Aug 2009 6:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Truthbtold195: No one dared cut a tree under Trujillo. Even my grandfather who was a dominican marine under Trujillo didn't dare to touch a tree. Also, since you people keep bringing up this "murder spree"/"massacre" of haitians by Trujillo, where's the proof? and what was it, 10,000 or 80,000 haitians "massacred"? Did that number change for 2009?
Written by: Trujillo, 6 Aug 2009 7:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Our border is not protected. There're only a few border posts and even those are corrupt and easily penetrated. And please don't compare a wall in the Dominican-Haitian border with the Berlin wall, this is not one country divided in two by a wall we're talking about. A wall stretching the entire dominican-haiti border would be between 2 different countries and a great way to help control the mess that is our border.
Written by: DominicanChic, 6 Aug 2009 8:47 PM
From: United States, New York
"truthbtold195" - la foto habla por si sola, no hay peor ciego que el no quiere ver
Written by: LaMaeña, 6 Aug 2009 9:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dominicans need to take care of there lands no matter what.
Written by: allumeuseGeneroso This user is banned, 6 Aug 2009 9:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
bold you are misinformed and your logic is wired incorrectly! MORE OF THE SAME (Haitian intrusion and destruction) IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME (THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ISLAND!).

There is no other way but to kick the Haitian out, sealed the border and focus on self-sufficiency!
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 6 Aug 2009 11:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona

Woodman, spare that tree!
Touch not a single bough!
In youth it sheltered me,
And I'll protect it now.
'Twas my forefather's hand
That placed it near his cot:
There, woodman, let it stand,
Thy axe shall harm it not!

That old familiar tree,
Whose glory and renown
Are spread o'er land and sea,
And wouldst thou hew it down?
Woodman, forbear thy stroke!
Cut not its earth-bound ties;
Oh, spare that aged oak,
Now towering to the skies!

When but an idle boy
I sought its grateful shade;
In all their gushing joy
Here too my sisters played.
My mother kissed me here;
My father pressed my hand
Forgive this foolish tear,
But let that old oak stand!

My heart-strings round thee cling,
Close as thy bark, old friend!
Here shall the wild-bird sing,
And still thy branches bend.
Old tree! the storm still brave!
And, woodman, leave the spot:
While I've a hand to save,
Thy axe shall harm it not.
Written by: etiennc01, 6 Aug 2009 11:46 PM
From: United States
While keeping your eyes on the Haitians your country is experiencing an other invasion by some poor and uneducated EuropeansWhite the so called "EXPATRIATES" . They have no job skills, no money and God knows what they do to survive. As unemployed in their own country, they visited the DR once and chose to stay.
Written by: poponlaburra, 7 Aug 2009 2:01 AM
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
I most say that is a beatiful poem.
Written by: Lautaro, 7 Aug 2009 8:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The difference, ettienc, is numbers. European numbers can hardly form six regiments (for example, the combined german/french community on the country numbers 30,000. 1 regiment = 5,000 people), while yours can form an army and a half. The european expats are not in all the corners of this country, and one could easily escape them if one is weary of their presence and BS behavior (which many of them indulge in from time to time, unfortunately, behaving like drunken pirates) or simply throw them out of the country if they become too troublesome to handle. Heck, one could easily pass weeks and/or months without seeing their (more often than not, annoying) faces. There's not such benefit with your people, one could say, and the international blackmail is such that the state can't touch you even with the petal of a rose anymore without arousing outcry, or being a lot of hell to pay as a consequence. Ustedes estan hasta en la sopa.
Written by: hellborn25, 7 Aug 2009 11:34 AM
From: United States
closed the borders ,shoot the haitians on site haitians never will have a norma habitable state there to busy playing with voodoo and stealing from each other
Written by: xwill7, 7 Aug 2009 12:54 PM
From: United States, Chicago
hellborn,
only peacefull deportation will work.
Written by: truthbtold195, 7 Aug 2009 1:12 PM
From: United States
No I am not Haitian i was born in Santiago...Most of my family members had similar mindsets as most in this post and so did I.....I had the oppertunity in HS and my undergrad to travel and see things from their eyes...I went to places where you are not looked at as a man or even human but a stereotype (you hispanics steal, kill and use drugs)...I have been stopped cops in the town where i live and asked what is my kind doing around here...Even in Med school I was asked why is my kind doing here.....The only Dominicans they know are baseball players and of course what is portrayed on TV or movies.They know all the stereotypes and judge according to them..In HS in the US i was denied a spot on the basketball team b/c the coach stated that i should be playing baseball Bball is not for Dominicans...and there have been other case..some may find it funny. at those moment i started thnkng about the judgement we put on others not just haitians... through the blog most of what continue.....
Written by: truthbtold195, 7 Aug 2009 1:37 PM
From: United States
continue.....most of what has been said is based on racial stereotypes..."Kill those haitians on the spot" Who are we to decide who dies or should be killed... Reading through the blog most of the opinions are not even biased but racist even wven some of the comments made by some Dom. about their own people, some said to give soldiers brugal and let them shoot them. Why would you post that people do see dominicans and hispanics as drunks(i am not)....Everyone try to look at things w/o thinking you know the other party put urself in those shoes.....True we should protect the enviroment and the border shoulod be tighten i am not disagreeing with that I myself used to work for non-for-profits and one of our campaign was protecting local rivers and land from being developed.. Everyone try and think for urself...the article puts the blame on haitins only its not...The town where i grew up we did the same..the article and most bloggers place the sole rspnsblty on one group that is my dsgrmnt
Written by: JRRubirosa, 7 Aug 2009 2:42 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Truthmold195:

Instead of preaching obsolete human rights and tiresome stories do yourself a favor and
buy a couple of books about Dominican history if you are really a Dominican, if you don't get
the point why Dominicans will never get along with Haitians then I waisted my time little boy
and you are in reality another haitian camouflage with an anti-Dominican agenda.

Written by: guillermone, 17 Aug 2009 1:39 PM
From: United States
Truthbold-I second the suggestion. Like JrRubi said "buy yourself a couple of books about DR history," so that you can gain greater insight about the real issues. Why? Because you do not think or express yourself like a Dominican, but rather like a person which has been heavily influenced by the US-American civil rights ideology, which though valid, it is totally unrelated to the Dominican/Haitian conflict. Many people on the blog express themselves as if they were racists, and you probably experienced some of it yourself, but deep down, the actual truth has very little to do with race. This is what you need to get out of your head and focus on the root cause of the problem. I don't know what you mean when you said: "I changed my mindset." From what to what?
Written by: JARABACOENCE This user is banned, 22 Aug 2009 4:00 AM
From: United States, THE SKE
i know that is a fact to be told! lol has anybody heard of raquel cepeda? the fake dominican that tries to bash my nation any chance that she gets!!! she is the essense of one drop rule manifest in the flesh. she has went once to santo domingo and just became an expert about race in the dominican. look her up on djalirancher.com
Written by: guest809, 26 Aug 2009 1:20 AM
From: United States
Gee I never thought of the fact that the international community could force the Dominican Republic to grant citiizen ship to some one born in the Dominican Republic, that has gone to school in the D.R. and is working in the D.R. for all there life, who also now has third generation dominican born, and is still not elegible for a Dominican citizenship. Wow what a heady thought!!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Aug 2009 7:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The fact is, guest809, that the ones that you're mentioning are a small fraction compared with the thousands that entered the country through the border yesterday, and don't speak one iota of spanish. And before you compare it with the situation of the dominicans in US/Europe, no, there can not be any comparison at all, because the DR is not a freaking superpower, while the US is still the top one at that game despite the financial crisis, the DR is a third (if not fourth) world country that can barely (if it can at all) meet the needs of its own citizens, much less the ones from the social outcasts that its neighbour exports on a daily basis. The solution to Haiti's social ills must be a caribbeanwide one, and not exclusively a dominican one, as some of you in the US and Canada maliciously want it to be.
Written by: mannysauro, 31 Aug 2009 9:23 PM
From: United States
I was scared to look at the comments for this story and my fears were affirmed. Its painful to the core to read some of the comments on this story. My countrymen thinking themselves better than their neighbors and unwilling accept that NEVER will the Dominican republic nor Haiti be free of poverty without both making the strides together. Think of our history from a broader perspective than the fervent nationalism of colonialism and post-colonialism, that still perverse our attitudes with racism and classism . Build a WALL? are you serious?!

its clear what he means by "changing mindset": it changed from one where racial and economic discrimination can be justified, to one that recognizes the value of a human being.

que pena.

Barahona



Written by: guillermone, 31 Aug 2009 10:12 PM
From: United States
Mannysauro-Have no fear, just get that idealistic thoughts out of your head. Though very humanitarian and emphathetic to our Haitian neighbors, it just does not work in real life. Haitian poverty added to Dominican poverty only exacerbates greater misery for everyone overall, but most particularly to the poor working class dominicans affected the most. But I don't hear anybody do anything to defend them. Why don't you MANNYSAURO help our poor Dominican brothers that are the ones mostly damaged by an illegal haitian invasion. Why don't you say somthing in their defense. NO, nobody does anything for them.

Just accept the fact that the pie is too small, not big enough for everyone and some one will die of hunger. It is one small life boat and a few life vests and you must accept the fact that some of us are going to drown and let me tell you it aint gonna be me. That my friend is the real doggy dog world out there. The DR does not have enough resources to take care of so many people.
Written by: mannysauro, 31 Aug 2009 11:51 PM
From: United States
I appreciate you being civil in your response Guillermone. I'm on my way back to the DR to study medicine and head back to my pueblito where i grew up. The idea that there aren't enough resources on the island is as ill-conceived as the myth that even to this day there aren't enough resources worldwide. There was another story about a "pro-haitian" priest threatening the DR itself because of his reporting of "alleged" poor working conditions at the refineries. What we should all do is not accept the status quo of the power structure in DR that keeps the country from reaping the most benefits from its own industries as was only alluded to towards the end of that thread.

you can build all the walls in the world, but no type of wall, but there is a lot more at play in dominican economics than haitian immigrants. you don't know how much of our salary i and my family send to relatives back in the island. Its easy to attack those of us hijos de la diaspora as "not being dominican anymore
Written by: mannysauro, 31 Aug 2009 11:59 PM
From: United States
. but the fact is that for many of us "giving back" started the moment we got our first job here in the states... we care and love our country and its people, including the haitian immigrants whose stories resonate loudly with our own immigrant story in a racist, abusive and hostile american society that still doesn't deny you medical care and education.

I can only hope that people in the DR can still believe that our country isn't empty and that we are rich in much more than natural resources. and like i said in my original post, there is absolutely no way of getting around the reality (since you like to lecture me about it) that given the fact that our societies are sharing such a small island there is no option for a future with less poverty in the island, dominican side and haitian side without prosperity and "progress" for both. Poverty isn't random, and it doesn't respect nationalities. we're all in the boat, and the stranger you think you're shoving is your also your brother
Written by: guillermone, 2 Sep 2009 9:59 AM
From: United States
Yes, your point is well made and you are absolutely correct. However, that "truth" does not justify the present laissez-faire attitude, the indiscriminate allowance of a massive invasion of impoverish Haitians. You can not justify total disregard of immigration law, condone and permit the illegal entry of millions of Haitians into DR territory without permission, without rules, without regulation, without order and without control, just because you believe they need help. I do not think Dominicans are willing to give up their lives as ransome sacrifice exclusively to benefit people that do not have permission to be on DR territory in the first place. I don't believe anyone will risk their own life trying to save a drowning person, when they know that they will also drown themselves. Medical staff will never put their own health at risk to cure an ailing person, when they can also be infected. What is the point to help the sick, if you are at risk of catching the same illness.
Written by: guillermone, 2 Sep 2009 10:14 AM
From: United States
"30 million INDIGENOUS "Indians" of Mexico that are still dying and surviving, just to name a few. "

And by the way, please do not make use of irrelevant comparisons with the Dominican/Haitian conflict that has very deep political, cultural and historical ramifications that is unique to our particularities. Mexico needs to take care of their indigenous people, it is their responsibility and the indians have every right to demand. But not the Haitians. Neither do we have any responsibility towards them nor do they have the right to demand anything from us.
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