Santiago. - The Dominican Government sets out to repopulate with military families the border areas taken over by Haitians after Dominicans had abandoned them.
Armed Forces minister Pedro Rafael Peña made the announcement in Santiago yesterday, affirming that the military is working on the country’s illegal migration problem, and the first measure is to locate those families with all the conditions to live in the invaded zones.
He said to evaluate the measures an inventory of government housing and agrarian reform projects will be conducted immediately in the communities Mencía and Aguas Negras. Among the projects he cited the confluence of the Artibonito and Macacía rivers, with 40 military families who’ll have lands and greenhouses, to raise cattle and fish.
Peña said it’s a pilot project with private sector support aimed at reverting the depredation of the forests by squatters along the border with Haiti.
The top military official said president Leonel Fernandez issued Decree 581-09 instructing all graduates of military academies to be stationed along the border, to educate and repair the homes of humble families.
From: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras
would this be considered a promotion ?
Written by: telemeco, 30 Sep 2009 8:04 AM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
holly smoke, can i get some land too,, i pay $6000 peso,,a thousand more that of what the haitian are paying
Written by: xwill7, 30 Sep 2009 9:34 AM
From: United States, Chicago
hopefully that would reamp the local economy in those areas. But plat the trees first. Every family member should be required to plant a certain number of trees in order to qualify
From: United States
A most positive and constructive efforts made by PLD officials, Can it be possible?
How strange, yesterday the Haitians were invading and taking over homes and lands by the border area and all of a sudden today we have real action taken by the government. How did that happen?
Written by: Lopez31, 30 Sep 2009 10:06 AM
From: United States
These actions will soon be condemed by the international community. How dare we try to take back our land from illigal immigrants? I like this move, but it could lead to bloodshed on both sides.
Written by: vacanos, 30 Sep 2009 10:38 AM
From: United States
This is all pure crap. Wait until tomorrow everybody will continue their normal life. This is just a hoax to calm the populace. Let’s wait for another round of macho talk in 6 month and it will go on forever until the Haitian becomes a sizeable minority where the international community will protect with nail and teeth and if we try to do something by them they will invade us with the excuse to protect the “victims” right.
NEVER TRUST A PACIFIST LAWYER IN DEFENDING THE SOVEREIGN OF A NATION.
Written by: xwill7, 30 Sep 2009 10:40 AM
From: United States, Chicago
The military families will hire Haitians to work on the farms. Problem not solved
From: Dominican Republic, la Romana
Taking this article at face value ,I think it is a great solution to the problem and if the Dominicans prefer to hire the Haitians then it proves they are either lazy themselves or they do not care as much as others that the Haitians are there . But tell me a better solution??
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Sad but Truth your government and business class is the one to blame for this problem, these people are a source of cheap labor to be exploited. Your right wing politician may used this illegal emigration issue to get your vote but once in office becomes part of the playbook, the business interests are too powerful. Trujillo him self who slaughter 30,000 of these people,once he became a wealthy sugar plantation owner change his mind about the importance of these black migrant workers to him. Somebody got to do the dirty jobs for nothing. If nobody was hiring them I'm sure they will not come. Yes I know the argument their are taking jobs from the Dominicans,Yes jobs with employers that are not willing to compromise their profit and pay you a standard wage.Get over it the masses always lose to the interest of big business.
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
As A Haitian What I feel you guys need over there is a quota system for guess workers. Those without papers and those that do not fall under the quota should be send back. Now the question is does your government have the will to implement such policy or do the like things the way it is.
Written by: telemeco, 30 Sep 2009 12:37 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
PatDiamond
Next time you go online, check out Google Earth,,and you are going to see a million Haitian towns, within 4 mile apart of each other, you can get the idea of the lack of land they have and them look at DR,,,wide open space
From: Dominican Republic
In my opinion we need to implement a Quota system like someone else mentioned above and deport all those whose papers expire. That will solve the problem, this was the way it use to be during the early era of Balaguer. The government really needs to get on this but it is good idea to repopulate this area with Dominian soldiers families and give them land and crops and cattle as promissed by the government.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Kick the Haitians out... Plan the trees later.... Lets not make the mistake of Plating trees when the Haitians will just cut them...
Written by: Micaela, 30 Sep 2009 9:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Oh yes, implementing a quota system and deport all whose papers expire or not qualify would be beautiful, but what do you think Haiti would do? The best consuls, ambassadors and representatives in the world, the Haitians, would cry bloody murder. They rally the international community against us when few thousands are deported in a year time, talking about massive deportations in the worst time for Haiti, regardless of the time. When we talk about hundred of thousands, especially children, women and liberal employees, what would happen in Haiti. They can hardly survive expelling their surplus population, if that population they can not employ, feed, provide health care, safety or guarantee their human rights return to Haiti, how long the present political stability would last and who would be blamed for its collapse?
From: Dominican Republic
Listen that is their problem! Every country deports ilegal aliens and we are a free independent nation who does not need to ask for permission from anyone to deport ilegal aliens in Dominican Soil! Therefore all the ilegal people in our country TO BE DEPORTED ASAP!
Written by: dagtan, 1 Oct 2009 6:31 PM
From: United States
Well, Well, here we come again and yet another failed proposition for the Haitian problem. Conditions like this exist every where were life is better than the sending country. I totally opposed to the way the Dom. Rep. is handling the Haitian issue, since it reflects on us here in the U.S. and in any other country where we live, either legally or illegally. I do not know, but some of you recall about an article that appeared on msnbc, I might be wrong about the source, but promise to look for it and post it here. The article about the growing problem for puerto Rico about the reinhabitation of ghost town by illegal Dominicans, which was before inhabited by puerto ricans. The PR government in an effort of protecting the human rights of these illegals is looking for solutions to the problem and not simply populating the territory with PR nationals. Yes, we are a free nation and have the right to deport, but not in BARBARIC way, we are not animals, to behave like one. The Dom Rep.
Written by: dagtan, 1 Oct 2009 6:37 PM
From: United States
can not afford to lose more credibility than what it has already in the international community for the ways in which is dealing with the Haitian issue. The bottom line is that the Dominican nationals who are being deported from the U.S., PR and E.U. are treated better than if they were free citizens back in the home country during deportation. We not present ourselves like a bunch of banana republic people on the world stage, but with the comments form people like you on this board we will never receive respect or the opportunity to become and innovating island nation like the bahamas, cuba and pr to an extend. These island nations have real political influence due to their contributions and level of civility when dealing with difficult issues. Instead, we are still considered just a nice place to go on vacation and that is about it. You do no see any company transferring skills and technological knowhow to the DR, they just come on vacation and import workers. Wake up.
From: Dominican Republic
Listen up, you are taking this way out of proportion! Noone is saying to mistreat the Haitians in our country, on the contrary they should be treated with dignity and respect but bottom line is that they need to be deported. Do not give me the example of PR because in PR the police treat Dominicans worse than animals. Trust me, I have family that live there and the things they have been through are horrible and I am not saying this justifies us in any way nor does it justify them at all but every country has the right to deport their ilegal aliens. The government in DR should do as Puerto Rico (your so called innovating island nation) is doing, when they catch an ilegal alien the first time they deport them but the second time it is a crime and they have to do jail time.
Written by: Trujillo, 2 Oct 2009 5:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Glad they're doing something, but it's not enough. Prepare for the international whining, we'll be called "racists" and other things. I know haitians have replaced entire population in some places on our side of the border, I've seen it, and don't be surprised if your identity has been stolen too. Build a wall and prevent a war later on.
From: United States, The Lake of Fire
"The PR government in an effort of protecting the human rights of these illegals is looking for solutions to the problem and not simply populating the territory with PR nationals. Yes, we are a free nation and have the right to deport, but not in BARBARIC way, we are not animals, to behave like one. The Dom Rep"
since when does human rights have anything to do with what the article is talking about? we are talking about repopulating a border area in the dominican republic. if you think deporting haitians violates human rights think about this. how did haitians get to the dominican in the first place? by foot you guessed right. they should be glad that they are not deported by walking back. they actually get a ride. any illegal dominican in puerto rico and the united states needs to get deported. all illegals need to go back where they came from whatever country they are in. punto.
DIOS,PATRIA,LIBERTAD
Written by: dagtan, 3 Oct 2009 1:17 PM
From: United States
You know, you guys are simply speaking with your heart and not your brain. Maybe if you would have gone to school and learn that there is a time and place to get your emotions involved in politcal issues. To talk politics with emotions show how shollow your understading of politics could be. The fact that I spoke about the PR situation is due to show that the DR is not the only country that is being affected by illegal immigration and also to demonstrate that deportation could be humane. I do agree that all illegal should be deported, but this should be the last resort to solving the problem. Here in NYC we have more that 400k illegal dominicans and I'll hate to see a NYPD bus travelling to through the high dominican populated areas and simply picking up people that may or may not be illegals. This practice is deplorable and it should not be accepted under any circumstances. The dominican government has alloow these practices by the military and dominican nationals are equally,
Written by: dagtan, 3 Oct 2009 1:26 PM
From: United States
culpable for allowing such things to happen on their name. It is clear that the dominican government is doing this in this particular area, because these people are haitian, but if they were europeans, just like we took a large amount of jews during wwII, they will be getting citizenship and housing. If the deportation of these people is imminent, then by all means, get them deported, but in a humane and organized way. Make sure that the proper rules and human rights are followed in the process. Also, the proper documentation and investigation should be conducted to make sure that these deportees do not have any dominican born children or mixed families in the country. By deporting them you are simply breaking another family up and this is harmful for the future of the country. Finally, we should keep an effective record keeping to prevent them from coming back and if they ever come back then give them jail time. And yes, I believe that the international should get involved.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Oct 2009 10:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Please, dagtan, don't insult our intelligence by mentioning the Bahamas as an example to follow in how to treat haitian inmigrants, cuz' last time I saw, their coast guard have the annoying habit of RAMMING the boats of these inmigrants IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEA. Of course, I'm not saying this to justify our government in their handling of this issue, but when push comes to shove, our other caribbean neighbours are not better than us, and this is a well proven fact. If you don't believe me, then look it up, I'm sure that you'll find plenty of examples of rotten treatment of the haitians on the part of the other islands, even despite the fact that these other islanders are as black as them. Heck, I have read somewhere that the jamaicans even considered stripping some jamaicans of hatian descent from their citizenship rights, so as you can see, we're not the only villains on this movie.
From: United States
Agreed Lautaro, this includes among others the Turks and Caicos. They treat Haitians like dirt, much worse then us. Believe me none of the neighboring countries treat Haitian better then Dominicans.
Written by: dagtan, 6 Oct 2009 10:19 PM
From: United States
Lautaro, maybe you are speaking about the illegal fishing that goes on in Bahamans water by illegal Dominican fishing boats. The last time there was info coming out of these waters and Haitian migrants, they ram the boat unto a coral reef, i think if I was the bahamans authorities I will be upset about that since that is part of their economy. other than that, these boats hide in shallow waters to evade detections and things like this happens, not saying that the coast guard does not do things like those, but it is not as you are putting it. BTW, talking about the Bahamas, I usually surprised to find a large number of Dominicans working at their resorts and tourist areas, by all means I love this, since I feel right at home joking around as if i was in Santiago, but after all, lautaro, they are illegals and are being respected and not persecuted the way we do to Haitians back home.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Oct 2009 10:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Don't play games with me, dagtan, cuz' you know as well as I do that this rotten practice of the bahamean guard is a fact. Heck, even Jorge Pineda himself can vouch for the truthfulness of this information, if you don't believe me, then read this and ask him yourself:
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....minican-people-are-savage-racistsI'll be waiting. As I said earlier, we're not the only bad guys on this tragedy.
Written by: Atabey, 11 Oct 2009 3:37 AM
From: United States
Part 2
Accompanied by Rosanna Pons, the Coordinator of Geopolitical Studies at the Global Democracy and Development Foundation (Funglode), Chauprade, a critic of United States foreign policy and a defender of the move towards the left currently under way in Latin America, said that the solution to the Haitian problem is not in the hands of the Dominican Republic or the United States, or even France.
He said that "the problem in Haiti is one of identity... and they won't find their political stability until they find their identity."
Written by: Atabey, 11 Oct 2009 3:37 AM
From: United States
Dagtan what do you think about the Professor below:
French political scientist Aymeric Chauprade said that the Dominican Republic would not be able to implement a development strategy to improve the lot of millions of its poor citizens as long as it continues to tolerate uncontrolled Haitian migration. He added that issues surrounding this problem are also generating negative publicity in the European Union. He said that, "all policies that try to get the poorest class into the middle class are going to be affected by this migration, and President Fernandez understands this perfectly."
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States
Atabey, I responded ton you good info on the other forum, sorry. Lautaro, yes we both know, I did not denied your claim, since it is true. However, I just wanted to trow something of interest in there as well. You know how concerned I am about BLANKET STATEMENTS, yours sounded a bit like it to me, something that I often do no see from you.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Oct 2009 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I excuse myself if it sounded that way, dagtan, but I couldn't avoid posting in anger, since your late posts have suggested that we somehow deserve having this issue shoven through our collective throats, or worse, excusing the other island countries if they misbehaved on their handling of the haitian issue. Like Juan Bosch said: "Do we play with the same rules, or do we simply break the cards". Meaning, if you're going to excuse the other caribbean countries their misdeeds, then is only fair if you extended the same benefit for this country, which incidentally, wasn't always on top of the island's food chain, and hasn't had the benefit that the other islands have had, namely, the other islands don't have an history of hostilities with the haitians as we do, nor have to deal with nutjobs on the haitian diplomatic corps having wet dreams with seem their countries disappear, as some of them do with regards to our country. (cont..)
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Oct 2009 3:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(cont...) And I think that I don't need to tell you the fact that, although the haitian state can be found lacking and almost anything else, it's not the less truth that their diplomatic service is among the finest on the entire continent, or to remind you that they have been at the forefront of almost every damaging diplomatic campaign to our country on the last decade. Also, should I remind you that the real prize that the country had to pay for Trujillo's misdeeds would not come with the paltry sum that tyrant was forced to pay to the haitian state (US$500,000) but on the fact that the dominican state had to renounce all claims to the central plateau of the island (some 3,165 kms2) forever on the final border agreements of the 1930's? or the fact that this victory on the part of the haitian state was not won by the sword, but by the activity of their diplomatic service, which took advantage of the fact that the dominican state allowed the majority population of that region (cont.)
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Oct 2009 3:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
to become of haitian extraction in less tahn a generation? Should I remind you that no border agreement on this planet is definitive? That with the lack of control on the part of our state about the issue we run the risk of losing the five border provinces (Monte Cristi, Elias Piña, Dajabon, Independencia and Pedernales) cuz' the haitian state, if it ever gets back on its two feet again, could make use of the clause of "uti possidetis" (that is, a state can claim sovereignity over the territory of another if the majority of the population of it is a national of the state making the claim) on international law to get sovereignity over them?
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:44 PM
From: United States
Lautaro, fully aware of your points and thank you for clarifying that you are not falling down the deep end here and forgetting that knowledge is more important than passion when it comes to making a good strong statement. May I remind you that the order dispute has not been finalized yet. I know that I read someone or one of family told me that there was a group of elected officials that were ready to introduce legislation to go back to the negotiating table on the border dispute. If you read the international archives, the Dominica-Haitian border still appears as the one settled between the colonial powers in the 16th century. This only means that such border is not as permanent as you might think. Finally, my wife is from Monte Cristi, and I was there this past summer and saw very few or no haitian in that area. She also took me to the morro, but the stupid mountain was closed for repairs and we were not allowed to climb using the stairs.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Oct 2009 8:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I'm sure that you had a terrific time over there. Only the haitian southern coast surpasses our northern one in my estimation, maybe because of the fact that tourism hasn't soiled and spoiled that part of our island, yet...
Written by: Pepe32, 15 Oct 2009 8:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Investments in the DR are only increasing regardless of the negative campaign by radical leftists and their afronazi alliesbecause "money talks and bullshit walks" and people can say what they want but nobody throws their money away on a lost cause although deep down the Clintons and the Carters know that Haitians don't have much hope of getting out of this themselves so they try to drop this problem on DR .If they truly wanted to help they would push for some sort of visa waiver in the US,France and Canada to alleviate the Haitian problem but they limit themselves to making a speech and going back to the comfort of their mansions . If each one of these nations took 666,000 Haitians then they could truly assist Haiti and relieve the pressure on DR because their current posturing will not help Haiti and it will sink DR which is being overrun by an unstable
foreign population .
Written by: Pepe32, 15 Oct 2009 8:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
for someone who lives in Afrocentric circles and radical leftist circles then DR has taken a hit and will always be the culprit vs Haiti .But among the general population the image problem is Haiti's that notwithstanding BILLIONS in handouts cannot get their act together ,Cuba and Venezuela are assisting not because they really care but to poke the US although if they really cared they would take some Haitians in themselves.
Written by: Pepe32, 15 Oct 2009 9:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
while at the same time we provide more social services to Haitians than any other country especially in proportion to our meager abilities.
.The first act would be to institute "Jus Sanguini" as the prevailing law for nationality ,second would be to quickly and decisively request papers and deport all those who according to Dominican law are not legally in the country .These people should be taken to the border (notify the UN ) and repatriated (taken back to their country) then the useless armed forces should be sent to secure the border ,clear a swath of the border of all vegetation and install electronic surveillance devices to detect border incursions.
Laws would have to be enacted to make illegal entry penalization with fines and deportation for first time offenders and prison for multiple offenders .
Written by: Pepe32, 15 Oct 2009 9:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Another point ,yes we could absorb a small amount of Jews,the same with a small amount of "isleños" (natives of the Canary Islands,Arabs,Japanese,Italians,Cocolos (from the Virgin Islands),Chinese and countless other groups but no other group has been our historical enemy having invaded multiple times with countless massacres registered in the Dominican psyche and no other nation threatens to demographically overrun our country like Haiti and Haitians so comparisons are false if not idiotic. Bahamian authorities and most of the countries in the area do not want Haitian immigration and all they get is a trickle so why should DR be forced to absorb close to 2 million?
When the US turned back Haitians in the past or put them in camps all these cowards knew they couldn't make the US change their reaction to Haitians but when it comes to poor DR they get all brave and threaten to destroy our economy and our reputation because we take small measures to protect our sovereignty
From: United States
A majority of Dominicans have great hatred towards haitian ought to be worshiping haitians as an idol. Haitians has contributed to the DR since its early history. It is shamefull that a person from the DR would say negative words about haitians. First of all, haitians are proud of their african ancestory heritage unlike the dominicans who hide and not proud of their african black heritage. Haiti was the first black republic and second in the americas to gain its independence from colonial rule.It is not a shock when most of people in the DR leave for abroad, like america, are classified as "black". Lets face it the DR has a lot of hatred towards haitians.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Nov 2009 4:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"A majority of Dominicans have great hatred towards haitian ought to be worshiping haitians as an idol. "
Proof that Haitians think to much of themselves!!
"Haitians has contributed to the DR since its early history. "
Yes ,multiple invasions ,massacres , beheadings, trying to wipe out all traces of Hispanic culture ,Vudu ,ignorance and hatred . We should thank you for all you have done to us which we stopped otherwise DR would look like Haiti.
"First of all, haitians are proud of their african ancestory heritage unlike the dominicans who hide and not proud of their african black heritage"
Since Haiti is the closest thing to an African nation outside Africa you should honour you heritage but we have 3 main bloodlines as a nation so we honour all three instead of your hate filled Afrocentrism.
"Haiti was the first black republic and second in the americas to gain its independence from colonial rule."
Good for you ,although it seems you weren't ready to run your own
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Nov 2009 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
affairs
"It is not a shock when most of people in the DR leave for abroad, like america, are classified as "black". Lets face it the DR has a lot of hatred towards haitians. "
Only Haitians and US Afrocentrists follow the one drop rule created by white racists in the US.You all are such racists that your hatred blinds you and has cursed your nation since its bloody birth yet you have the gall to criticize others who do not think as you do .
I only have extreme pity for Haiti and hope some day Haitians will start working to create a real Haiti and not the fantasyland you have created for yourselves that speaks of greatness while you literally eat dirt,have the highest infant mortality rates in the hemisphere ,have destroyed your ecology and brutally kill each other .When you fix you extreme mess then talk to me about why we should even admire you people.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Nov 2009 4:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PS Not too many people in the Caribbean like Haitians and it has nothing to do with race rather with culture.
From: United States
Pepe32-Excellent exposé.......I applaud you !!!!!
Thank You so very much
From: United States
What this that many people in the carribean dislike haitians!
Well they are selfish and un greatfull for the strife and courage the haitan have and the pressident they have installed in the americas. You have total disrespect for haitians. What have we and they done to you. Remember you may likely hate your "heritage" . Likely you may have some in your blood
like more than 50 percent of the folks in the DR. Why you all in the united states? The same reson why they are in the DR. What is this that only haoto and the united states consider any one who has black blood is black. You should be ashame of yourself. Just face it domincans canot except their blackness. You all would claim any thing but the.
Truth. Black is good evil. All haitians are christians if you know your history. When they were bought
To hisponoala they were baptised by the catholic churchN although they syncrinezed saint with
Loas however they still respect the church. Dominicans also worship two masters by
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 12:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
You are correct pierre ,I have zero respect for Haitians ,to me you are the most backwards people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with .You are ignorant yet each one of you thinks you are a Nobel prize winner even if you are illiterate ,you consider yourselves a great people and everyone laughs at you because you are not worthy even to be fertilizer.
You believe your fantasies of greatness when everyone else can see what a pile of doggie doo doo Haiti and the Haitians are. You lucked out that Malaria defeated the French and found yourselves just out of the bush in charge of a nation and you still haven't recovered .
A man cannot serve 2 masters so if you worship voodoo demon loas you cannot serve God because you already serve the enemies of God. I know many of my countrymen are MIXED and much of the black blood is not Haitian (thank God) since it came from more civilized places like the Virgin Islands and in Samana from the US ,and the original Spanish slaves
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 12:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
(check the last names...not pié ) the few Haitians that have
entered into our bloodlines are the major cause of the most backwards elements in my country today since Haitian "culture" is only a skip away from the most primeval ..
I other words when see our black Dominicans with English names they are not Haitians and they entered into DR with at least some culture unlike the barbaric hordes Haiti sends over .Only your minimal elite has any culture whatsoever .
So keep on deluding yourselves that you are great and that EVERYONE should be thankful to the "great" Haitians that "created" the world but cannot even take care of their own country!
From: United States
Your words shows that you have zero respect for Haitians. Remeber many of your fellow contrymen are of Haitian heritage. Former Trujillo mother was haitian....lol. Many of you all hate yourself. Face it Haitians are fabricated and embeded into the dominican society. What is this that blacks in the DR are of the speaking english carribean, yes they are some, however it is a minimal amount versus the haitians.
Let me tell you something, Domincans need to stop thinking in colonial terms but in a newly independent way. You all who who dislikes the afroness in the blood looks like fools when you are in the United States. In recent articles you claimed Haiti and the United States are the only two countries who considers everyone is black if they have blackness within themselves. No that is not true!
The simple fact many domincans with clear afro features and sometimes visible to the naked eyes would claim another heritage but the truth.
From: United States
Many would dilute their names if you know your fact. Be truthfull many of those names are not spanish in origin.
From: United States
Have you heard of the 21 division, and who practice this cult????????
From: United States
ou are correct pierre ,I have zero respect for Haitians ,to me you are the most backwards people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with .You are ignorant yet each one of you thinks you are a Nobel prize winner even if you are illiterate ,you consider yourselves a great people and everyone laughs at you because you are not worthy even to be fertilizer.
"You believe your fantasies of greatness when everyone else can see what a pile of doggie doo doo Haiti and the Haitians are."
This is the truth that hatian were the greatest group at the time you all were being suppressed by colonialism.
You lucked out that Malaria defeated the French and found yourselves just out of the bush in charge of a nation and you still haven't recovered .
It was not malaria that the haitians drew the frem napolian army but they might, religous belief, and their african heritage.
A man cannot serve 2 masters so if you worship voodoo demon loas you cannot serve God because you already se
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 12:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pierre I stated in my first sentence that I have zero respect for Haitians ,as far as some Dominicans having Haitian blood it is true but not as high as you seem to think and correct that our bloodthirsty dictator had Haitian blood which explains alot about his brutality .
Haiti is like a cancer to anything it touches coursed by the Yoruba demons and will not change until Haitians realize that they are on the floor because of their own sins as a nation.
Reject your demons and educate the population ,don't come into DR and into DR forums talking trash about "greatness" while barefoot.illiterate and with a dirt cookie in the hand!
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How strange, yesterday the Haitians were invading and taking over homes and lands by the border area and all of a sudden today we have real action taken by the government. How did that happen?
NEVER TRUST A PACIFIST LAWYER IN DEFENDING THE SOVEREIGN OF A NATION.
Next time you go online, check out Google Earth,,and you are going to see a million Haitian towns, within 4 mile apart of each other, you can get the idea of the lack of land they have and them look at DR,,,wide open space
Kick the Haitians out... Plan the trees later.... Lets not make the mistake of Plating trees when the Haitians will just cut them...
since when does human rights have anything to do with what the article is talking about? we are talking about repopulating a border area in the dominican republic. if you think deporting haitians violates human rights think about this. how did haitians get to the dominican in the first place? by foot you guessed right. they should be glad that they are not deported by walking back. they actually get a ride. any illegal dominican in puerto rico and the united states needs to get deported. all illegals need to go back where they came from whatever country they are in. punto.
DIOS,PATRIA,LIBERTAD
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....minican-people-are-savage-racists
I'll be waiting. As I said earlier, we're not the only bad guys on this tragedy.
Accompanied by Rosanna Pons, the Coordinator of Geopolitical Studies at the Global Democracy and Development Foundation (Funglode), Chauprade, a critic of United States foreign policy and a defender of the move towards the left currently under way in Latin America, said that the solution to the Haitian problem is not in the hands of the Dominican Republic or the United States, or even France.
He said that "the problem in Haiti is one of identity... and they won't find their political stability until they find their identity."
French political scientist Aymeric Chauprade said that the Dominican Republic would not be able to implement a development strategy to improve the lot of millions of its poor citizens as long as it continues to tolerate uncontrolled Haitian migration. He added that issues surrounding this problem are also generating negative publicity in the European Union. He said that, "all policies that try to get the poorest class into the middle class are going to be affected by this migration, and President Fernandez understands this perfectly."
foreign population .
.The first act would be to institute "Jus Sanguini" as the prevailing law for nationality ,second would be to quickly and decisively request papers and deport all those who according to Dominican law are not legally in the country .These people should be taken to the border (notify the UN ) and repatriated (taken back to their country) then the useless armed forces should be sent to secure the border ,clear a swath of the border of all vegetation and install electronic surveillance devices to detect border incursions.
Laws would have to be enacted to make illegal entry penalization with fines and deportation for first time offenders and prison for multiple offenders .
When the US turned back Haitians in the past or put them in camps all these cowards knew they couldn't make the US change their reaction to Haitians but when it comes to poor DR they get all brave and threaten to destroy our economy and our reputation because we take small measures to protect our sovereignty
Proof that Haitians think to much of themselves!!
"Haitians has contributed to the DR since its early history. "
Yes ,multiple invasions ,massacres , beheadings, trying to wipe out all traces of Hispanic culture ,Vudu ,ignorance and hatred . We should thank you for all you have done to us which we stopped otherwise DR would look like Haiti.
"First of all, haitians are proud of their african ancestory heritage unlike the dominicans who hide and not proud of their african black heritage"
Since Haiti is the closest thing to an African nation outside Africa you should honour you heritage but we have 3 main bloodlines as a nation so we honour all three instead of your hate filled Afrocentrism.
"Haiti was the first black republic and second in the americas to gain its independence from colonial rule."
Good for you ,although it seems you weren't ready to run your own
"It is not a shock when most of people in the DR leave for abroad, like america, are classified as "black". Lets face it the DR has a lot of hatred towards haitians. "
Only Haitians and US Afrocentrists follow the one drop rule created by white racists in the US.You all are such racists that your hatred blinds you and has cursed your nation since its bloody birth yet you have the gall to criticize others who do not think as you do .
I only have extreme pity for Haiti and hope some day Haitians will start working to create a real Haiti and not the fantasyland you have created for yourselves that speaks of greatness while you literally eat dirt,have the highest infant mortality rates in the hemisphere ,have destroyed your ecology and brutally kill each other .When you fix you extreme mess then talk to me about why we should even admire you people.
Thank You so very much
Well they are selfish and un greatfull for the strife and courage the haitan have and the pressident they have installed in the americas. You have total disrespect for haitians. What have we and they done to you. Remember you may likely hate your "heritage" . Likely you may have some in your blood
like more than 50 percent of the folks in the DR. Why you all in the united states? The same reson why they are in the DR. What is this that only haoto and the united states consider any one who has black blood is black. You should be ashame of yourself. Just face it domincans canot except their blackness. You all would claim any thing but the.
Truth. Black is good evil. All haitians are christians if you know your history. When they were bought
To hisponoala they were baptised by the catholic churchN although they syncrinezed saint with
Loas however they still respect the church. Dominicans also worship two masters by
You believe your fantasies of greatness when everyone else can see what a pile of doggie doo doo Haiti and the Haitians are. You lucked out that Malaria defeated the French and found yourselves just out of the bush in charge of a nation and you still haven't recovered .
A man cannot serve 2 masters so if you worship voodoo demon loas you cannot serve God because you already serve the enemies of God. I know many of my countrymen are MIXED and much of the black blood is not Haitian (thank God) since it came from more civilized places like the Virgin Islands and in Samana from the US ,and the original Spanish slaves
entered into our bloodlines are the major cause of the most backwards elements in my country today since Haitian "culture" is only a skip away from the most primeval ..
I other words when see our black Dominicans with English names they are not Haitians and they entered into DR with at least some culture unlike the barbaric hordes Haiti sends over .Only your minimal elite has any culture whatsoever .
So keep on deluding yourselves that you are great and that EVERYONE should be thankful to the "great" Haitians that "created" the world but cannot even take care of their own country!
Let me tell you something, Domincans need to stop thinking in colonial terms but in a newly independent way. You all who who dislikes the afroness in the blood looks like fools when you are in the United States. In recent articles you claimed Haiti and the United States are the only two countries who considers everyone is black if they have blackness within themselves. No that is not true!
The simple fact many domincans with clear afro features and sometimes visible to the naked eyes would claim another heritage but the truth.
"You believe your fantasies of greatness when everyone else can see what a pile of doggie doo doo Haiti and the Haitians are."
This is the truth that hatian were the greatest group at the time you all were being suppressed by colonialism.
You lucked out that Malaria defeated the French and found yourselves just out of the bush in charge of a nation and you still haven't recovered .
It was not malaria that the haitians drew the frem napolian army but they might, religous belief, and their african heritage.
A man cannot serve 2 masters so if you worship voodoo demon loas you cannot serve God because you already se
Haiti is like a cancer to anything it touches coursed by the Yoruba demons and will not change until Haitians realize that they are on the floor because of their own sins as a nation.
Reject your demons and educate the population ,don't come into DR and into DR forums talking trash about "greatness" while barefoot.illiterate and with a dirt cookie in the hand!