SANTO DOMINGO. - The charity organization Dominican Border Solidarity, characterized for the defense of human rights of Haitians immigrants in the Dominican Republic, opposes the International Organization for Migrations’ (OIM) alleged attempt to build in this country a refugee camp to house 100,000 victims of Haiti’s quake.
The Jesuit priest Regino Martinez, Solidarity coordinator, said there are enough places in Haiti to shelter people in the camp which the IMO proposes.
He said the Dominican Government has supported the Haitian people with solidarity after the catastrophe and the help for Haitians to respond to their calamity, but in their own country, is the effort which should prevail for now.
The prelate said beyond thinking of refugees, what’s needed is to help them work based on looking for an alternative different from what Haiti was before the quake, "because if before there was a Failed State, there’s now a buried State."
He added that medicine and food would be sent to the northern Haiti towns Gonaives, Cape Haitian and Wanament and for the injured and refugees who arrive from the various areas.
From: Dominican Republic
I wish he was in front of me right now.
Written by: josean, 20 Jan 2010 9:51 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
pepe32
Did you write that statement for Mr. Martinez?
Written by: jonbonz, 20 Jan 2010 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Basically he wants the DR to give hime a reason to exist. If the DR has the camp here and then when it is done the Hatians go home afterwards his reason for being is removed. Sort of why Jesse Jackson did not like Obama. A black president shaters glass cielings.
From: United States, Reality Check
We can all think of "another failed state", right?
Written by: Bigman, 20 Jan 2010 10:21 AM
From: Suriname
Wonder if this priest ever read Psalms 24:1 ... " The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof ; the world , and they that dwell therin . "
Want to pull his glasses off and poke my finger in his eye.
Written by: lovingit, 20 Jan 2010 10:29 AM
From: United States, Delaware
There are enough places in Haiti to place these people. Why complicate things by having to put a camp in DR? I mean, if things are done right, temp visas would have to be given, etc, etc.
Written by: jonbonz, 20 Jan 2010 10:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Unless such things is potable water was already in place in the DR. The most complicated part of setting up a small military base is water. In spite of what people think that is the hardest. A refugee cap is logistically the sae as a miitary base.
The other is supples. Now a camp on this side the border would face less bandits attacking supplies as on the Hatian side of the border. The NGOS are looking at their own safety and ease as much as anything.
If I was some European Do godder that spent my day at a refugee cap so I could feel good where woudl I rather spend y evenings? In the DR or Haiti.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 11:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Oh my God, Regino having a nationalistic stance? If there are need for proofs that miracles exists, then this is certainly it.
From: United States, New Haven, CT
Listen,
The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
1. As you can see by today's headline there is still threat or more tremors
2. These people deserve to have water and food and the only and easiest place to find it is in DR.
3. Can you self proclaimed scholars answer this question.
When has putting people in a "Concentration Camp" been a good idea? huh?
the Jews, The Japanese, Etc...
When have you ever heard a story of joy come from a concentration camp, yeah lets round up human beings put them all in a limited space fence them in so they can't walk out and let's control their food and water until we feel they are domesticated enough to let them wonder out on the streets.
What Haiti needs is organization, let foreign companies come in to rebuild, and Hire the nationals to work on the labor, that way they can get much needed economic stimulus and take pride in that they truly helped build their own nation.
Written by: Belly, 20 Jan 2010 11:03 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
You know they are trying to use the earthquake as an excuse to push the agenda behind close doors. Haiti DOES NOT need more land they have enough on their side to setup camps THEY NEED medical help and food/water but somehow now they pushing for the grass is greener on the other side agenda. This action is what will wash away the good relations for the last 8 days.Puerto Principe is only 5% of Haiti there is plenty of empty land to setup camps left so I don't see why they are pushing to setup in DR.
Written by: Belly, 20 Jan 2010 11:06 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Lautaro
Oh my God, Regino having a nationalistic stance? If there are need for proofs that miracles exists, then this is certainly it.
I was reading the keyword "oppose" and I couldn't believe what my eyes were reading. matter of faq I read it a couple of times because I couldn't believe it my self. LOL
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 11:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Ironthinker said: "2. These people deserve to have water and food and the only and easiest place to find it is in DR."
If there aren't enough water and food for our own population (we have struggling people of our own, you know), how the heck you think there will be enough for the refugees, my friend? As JD have already said, the DR is very close to the failed state status, so this move would serve to further put it down the drain. I want the best for Haiti, but not at the expense of my own country.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 11:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Belly said: "I was reading the keyword "oppose" and I couldn't believe what my eyes were reading. matter of faq I read it a couple of times because I couldn't believe it my self. LOL"
Tell me about it. I wonder about the reason behind this sudden change of heart from his part.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 11:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I think that this case is a perfect oportunity to use the saying: "One thing is to call the devil, and another one is to see him coming".
From: United States, New Haven, CT
Lautaro,
"If there aren't enough water and food for our own population (we have struggling people of our own, you know), how the heck you think there will be enough for the refugees, my friend?"
I'll give you a good start, The water shortage in DR is a man made problem. You can say whatever you want but only the poor have a water shortage due to poor water distribution infrastructure. The CAASD was a joke for years they cut back on spending by buying cheap materials and bypassing soil and model testing. So they spend their budget fixing the same problems over and over again.
Let's see, uhmm the 3+ pools at any given resort doesn't seem to say there's a water shortage. Uhmm all the pools of homes in affluent neighborhoods don't seem to point to a water shortage. Hipolito Mejia doesn't have a water shortage, neither does Leonel. Heck most of the new high rise condo developments don't have a water shortage, and what food shortage you talking about this year was record high for r
Written by: jonbonz, 20 Jan 2010 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
The water is not a big deal on the DR side. The problem is the bad delivery. The food will either be bought in the DR helping the famers wich used to be sold to Haiti anyway. But the security on the DR side is an easier matter.
A tent city on soe mi;itary base or closed zona franca for a few weeks with the NGO employees spending money in the community around the camp. It is good for the area where the camp is.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 12:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I will make you even better questions, thinker: do you seriously believe that those refugees will remain in those camps, when they will have the oportunity of spreading out into the rest of the republic at hand? Even more, what guarantees do the DR have that the intl. communit will not turn their backs on the problem once the camps are set, as they have always done as far as haitian problems are concerned? It's easy to speak when the country that will be affected by this tragedy is not your own (as a matter of fact, this country is already being affected, if we take the lockdown of the Dario Contreras hospital and the lack of everything of the ones of the border as samples of what to expect in the months to come). It's simply not fair to expect the DR to take charge of this problem on top of the manifold problems that it has on its own.
From: United States, Brooklyn
BAD FREAKING IDEA... I hope Leonel doesn't allow this pretext "earthquake" to bring all those starving zombies into our lands!
Written by: telemeco, 20 Jan 2010 12:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
FRENCH GUIANA,,plenty of OPEN space
Written by: generoso, 20 Jan 2010 12:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Possible reasons behind this reaction:
Why is the Jesuit priest doing an about face now?
1. He wants all international help to go to Haiti's territory as well as any infrastructure, where there is no government and little supervision.
A. This translates to funds, buildings, medical equipment and facilities and so forth.
B. The funds and equipment coming in would be a lot easier to manage by the Jesuits in the Haitian side, and the DR government will have no say so in the matter or supervision.
C. His excuse for always demanding more from The DR government will remain current, and his raison d' etre will still exist.
D. In no way he would want to alleviate the stress and expense to the DR government caused by the Haitian refugees, and let the DR government continue providing in our national budget to care and house the Haitian nationals.
E. Heaven forbid for the DR to benefit from any international aid to alleviate the suffering of the Haitians on this side.
Written by: generoso, 20 Jan 2010 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
I 100% agree in having the refugee camps in the Haitian side, but the hospitals in the border in Jimani, Dajabón, and some not so well known places all along the border, need better equipment and revitalization, as we have been taking care of the Haitian
injured, before and after the earthquake, and the pregnant deliveries to the tone of 40% of all the DR health budget.
It is a lot easier to refresh the medical equipment, infrastructure and supplies of facilities that are already standing and functioning than brand new ones,
Written by: Belly, 20 Jan 2010 12:55 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
From: United States, New Haven, CT
...
From: United States, New Haven, CT
Lautaro,
"I will make you even better questions, thinker: do you seriously believe that those refugees will remain in those camps, when they will have the oportunity of spreading out into the rest of the republic at hand"?
Well then they wouldn't be concentration camps then, they would just be temporary housing.
If they are concentration camps watch would be kept by the military to ensure the inhabitants do not wonder off. I mean that is the main purpose of a concentration camp to keep the population concentrated in one are so that an eye can be kept on them.
The point is that this is the reality we cant spend too much time speculating what might or n=might not happen this is an emergency and planning has to be done as 'pay as you go" basis we cant have lengthy senate sessions to deal with this , there are still kids trapped under the rubble.
Plus the simple fact that Dominican nationals were in Haiti should be reason enough for their gov. to step in, but then again..
From: United States, New Haven, CT
When has the Dominican government cared about their citizens anyway, right? ...
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jan 2010 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
IronThinker said: "When has the Dominican government cared about their citizens anyway, right? ..."
At the very least we agree on this last point, which is kind of embarrassing for me, this is my country of origin after all.
Written by: rsosua, 20 Jan 2010 2:11 PM
From: Canada
we don;t need not refugee camp in Dominican republic,the should make refugee camp in Haiti
where nothing happen in the country,the ONU should know that we can;t deal with refugee camp
or with inmigrant.Dominican should help same as other country are doing but same as the others country we can;t deal with refugee.
thanks
Written by: Atabey, 20 Jan 2010 2:23 PM
From: United States, NYC
The people of Haiti need to be re-settled within the Franco World Community. Recently the President of Senegal offered land and housing for some Haitian refugees and even a large region if many more wished to partake of his country's offer. While re-settlement does not have a nice ring to our ears, history serves notice that on certain occasions re-settlement to more hospitable environments might be just what the doctor ordered. Of course, finding places to re-settle possibly 10 million people is a very difficult proposition at any time in history and more so now with our 6 plus billion world population. But I would suggest that we not be pessimistic on this score, however, and believe that if people are creative and think out-side-the-box, options could be established that would greatly alleviate the conditions under which Haitians have long endured. First, we must recognize the facts on the ground in Haiti:
Pop: ~ 10 million people. Under 18 years old 4.2 million
Under 5 years o
Written by: Atabey, 20 Jan 2010 2:24 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pop: ~ 10 million people. Under 18 years old 4.2 million
Under 5 yr old 1.25 million. (2007)
fertility: 3.6% ( 2007)
Land: 27,750 sq km
GNI (US$), 560 2007
The statistics above are indicators that point to the incredible, indeed severe, difficulties faced by any group of organizations/governments to address Haiti's current constitution. Population pressures will continue to drain Haiti's capacity to expand and deliver goods and services to their domestic population. Taken together the pent-up population growth statistics suggest a latent population bomb that could protean to an oncoming mass starvation situation akin to what the world witnessed in the 1980s in Africa. With more than half (5.46 million)its total population under 18 in 2007, Haiti is on the threshold of a large demographic explosion that will make her population heavily dependent on massive food delivery from the international community, and could also destabilize her neighboring r
Written by: Atabey, 20 Jan 2010 2:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
Haiti is on the threshold of a large demographic explosion that will make her population heavily dependent on massive food delivery from the international community, and could also destabilize her neighboring republic The Dominican Republic. Thus a situation could arise in the next ten years where the Western Hemisphere and the World will witness an island divided by two republics having between them 30 million people and ever growing starvation and massive fleeing of its people throughout the region. Growing strive between the two nations and within their respective territorial domains can be expected to grow hand in hand as the situation worsens on the island.
The population time bomb and other statistics measure or reflect handicaps that suggest that Haiti, as currently constituted, is not a viable entity; and that the International Community along with the Haitian people need to undertake a serious consideration for a re-settlement plan. While the Senegalese proposal is a start, a
Written by: Atabey, 20 Jan 2010 2:26 PM
From: United States, NYC
While the Senegalese proposal is a start, a more lasting consideration needs to be considered. Perhaps France and the French government will finally step up and come to the benefaction of her historical creation Haiti. With enough creative minds and financial clout, the International Community, for a fraction of what the current Global Recession has cost, could restore and give hope to the millions of Haitians now suffering from this Act of God and human created disaster, and undertaken Haiti's restoration as a Nation and State.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
"Iron Thinker?" I'm thinking more "Copper Dreamer." And I don't say this to insult or in an attempt at character assassination..... Truly consider your own words. Planning has to be done "pay as you go?" This implies making commitments without understanding the full socio-economic consequences or impact to Quisqueya. In other words, you're advocating a "leap before you look" policy. A foreign policy in fact, as we're discussing foreigners. Your thoughts on this matter don't seem strong as "iron" as your name suggests.
Let's take a look at your questions:
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
1. As you can see by today's headline there is still threat or more tremors
I could be wrong, but you failed to establish a point here. Your logic looks like: Because there are more tremors the Haitians must be allowed into the RD. There are "tremors," or "earthquakes" as I like to call them, in the RD all the time. There was an earthquake in La Altagracia on 16
Written by: generoso, 20 Jan 2010 2:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
"Haiti is on the threshold of a large demographic explosion"
This was 20 years ago and is going strong in actuality, and picking speed.
The irresponsibility of the religious groups that have some much influence in Haiti, is partly responsible for the uncontrolled and drastic population increase.
Urgent measures including sterilization must first nip the problem in the bud, and start mass campaigns to stop the increase of constant births, that are sinking Haiti further.
Many experts have long said that Haiti's biggest challenge is to stop the amount of unregulated births, that just cause more poverty in the short, medium and long term.
I agree with immigration to other countries that would welcome Haiti, and provide for them, but to have high expectations in the French generosity is a waste of time. France has been irresponsible and aloof of Haiti's problems in the past, and the trend seems to be a continuance of that policy.
Re Senegal, I suspect the magnanimity of such an offer
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont'd.....there was an earthquake in La Altagracia on the 16th of Jan, magnitude 3.4, Puerto Rico Seismic Network, Univ. of Puerto Rico. So should all the Dominicans run to Haiti now? This doesn't make since. Do you think there will never be another earthquake in Haiti again....ever? Of course not. So, no, this is not a valid reason to allow hundreds of thousands of Haitianos into Quisqueya.
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
2. These people deserve to have water and food and the only and easiest place to find it is in DR.
You are stretching....."the only and easiest place" to find water is the RD. You've got to be joking. Thousands of metric tons of aid is flowing into Puerto Principe as we speak. Including agua my friend. As a matter of fact I just saw U.S. Marines handing out water at the Presidential Palace in Puerto Principe on CNN. So....looks like water is available in Haiti....so no need for Haitianos to move to the RD.......
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont'd.....Oh.....and the Marines were handing out food too. Additionally, you have various NGOs on the ground handing out food, water, hygiene items, blankets, teaching Haitians how to purify water, doctors....et cetera. Again, I don't see your argument gaining ground here.
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
3. Can you self proclaimed scholars answer this question.
This is your final point?? Or is it..... When has putting people in a "Concentration Camp" been a good idea? huh?
the Jews, The Japanese, Etc...
Okay....concentration camp you say..... You're either contradicting yourself here, or you're advocating that not only should thousands of Haitians be allowed into Quisqueya, but they shouldn't be placed into refugee camps. This leaves only the option of allowing the Haitians to live amongst the Dominican populace. This is so very easy for you to say from New Haven, Connecticut, but you should realize that the RD cannot support a refugee.....
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont'd..... population at all....not in a camp, not amongst the populace. Surely you realize that a economic and social services infrastructure cannot support the single injection of hundreds of thousands of people. Take Houston for example. Following Hurricane Katrina 200,000 people from New Orleans were taken into Houston, the fourth largest U.S. city by the way. It did not take long before the generous Houstonians realized that this was too much for them to take on. Immediately following the arrival of the N.O. refugees murders increased, gang violence and violent crime increased, the hospitals were bursting at the seams, public transportation became overtaxed and couldn't cope with the demand (hundreds of people at bus stops), affordable housing (apartments) became impossible to acquire, there were all of a sudden less jobs to be had, local schools were past their maximum capacity making affective instruction an impossibility.......
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont'd.....so on and so forth. I could go on, but you get the picture. Houston welcomed the refugees with open arms, but good intentions were not enough for the reality that the mass ingestion of refugees for a population is crippling. Now think of all that and think of the RD. The RD is light years ahead of Haiti, but still has its own issues and its own citizens to tend to. At present that is not being done to the satisfaction of the Dominicans in Quisqueya, or abroad. And you're talking about laying possibly more than a million Haitians on top of that. Already the hospitals in Santiago, Santo Domingo, and other cities are packed full of Haitianos. Think what will happen to the Dominican education system (already on life support), continued access to health care, the price of food, housing, and the poor of Quisqueya already struggling to live. Bringing in refugees WILL BREAK THE RD. Do you really want to turn Quisqueya into Kenya....a country which has......
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont'd.....the world's largest refugee camp. If the Haitianos are allowed into the RD, kiss beautiful Quisqueya good-bye. It will instantly become the Caribbean's refugee nation. And the flow of people from Haiti will never stop. You let in 200,000....why not 300,000. Why not let in 400,000. What case do you have against illegal immigration now. Then what happens when crime surges....because as you should know poverty breeds crime. What will you say when Dominicans are being robbed and killed by the bad apples within the Haitian refugees? What will you say when some poor little Dominican girl is raped by some Haitian gang? This is a bad idea through and through.
As far as camps go, set them up in Haiti. There's sufficient room for this. Haiti has 10 states, nearly 11,000 sq. miles. There's plenty of room to set up tent cities where the international community can care for the survivors of the quake, evacuate the capital if deemed necessary, and organize the.....
From: Germany, Stuttgart
cont,d.....rebuilding of the Haitian capital. There is absolutely no reason that Haitians need to evacuate Haiti. The last time I check the Haitian "government" was alive and kicking, operating out of a police station in the capital, looking very clean, healthy and energized, ready to receive the $100 million dollar check from President Obama, and millions more from the rest of the world. And lets not forget all of the material supplies. Haiti will bounce back. Quisqueya has extended her people's pesos, doctors, ambulances, food, water, and hospital beds. She has done plenty. There is no reason She should open her borders for a free for all land grab for the Haitianos. This is not racism....it's realism. Quisqueya must care for her own people, while being a generous neighbor. Haiti must find a way to care for the Haitianos.
From: Netherlands
Always when Haiti is on the table some Dominican people react from below the belt and seem to loose their rational thinking. Regino Martinez might be right, it makes more sense to solve the problem in Haiti itself, rebuiding the Haitian nation should be done in Haiti and not in the Dominican Republic. Knowing the Domincan attitude towards Haiti and the level of curruption in the Dominican Republic I think building refugee camps in the Dominican Republic is a hazarduous operation. I fear a lot of new millionaires in the Dominican Republic as did happens with the relief effort for Jimany some years ago.
Written by: jonbonz, 20 Jan 2010 6:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
ateo
If the French would do that I am sure the US would be willing to pack up and leave Haiti to them LOL.
Frankly I do not think the rest of the world realises what the DR does. If the US and DR do not do what they can then mass migration follows.
From: United States
40% of the Dominican health budget is used for delivering Haitian babies? Give me a break!
From: Dominican Republic, I dislike all politicians and their afiliated parties... "I simply say it AS IT IS!!"
Why DR?
Why freaking DR?
We are simply another poor country in the middle of this fiasco. Why isn't France taking the whole 1.5 millions back to Africa or some place in France.
I can't believe this....
We cannot be have a decent meal or job in DR because most of our jobs and money is going to hospitals and social aid to help the 4 millions Haitians already in DR.
What else should we do?
All Dominicans leave DR and hand it over to Haitians.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
We have to riot and stop this joke. We are Dominican Republic, created and built with our blood and daily sacrifice.
Above all, poor, however in better standing than even other bigger countries or better some maintained by the U.S
In conclusion, I agree with this guy. There's plenty of land in Haiti where they all can be relocated.
In some other country in Europe wants them, you are more than welcome!!
Written by: Atabey, 20 Jan 2010 8:41 PM
From: United States, NYC
Guys, and I'm afraid it's going to get far worse for the DR in the coming decade. If you check the UN statistics for 2007, Haiti had 5.46 million people 18 years and below. In other words, Haiti has a population explosion programed in its demographic profile. With last weeks horrendous Act of God devastation, the problems for DR in the coming years are truly dreadful, unless the leadership in DR and Haiti and the International Community step-up big time. And that's not a proposition with odds I would bet on winning. Unfortunately.
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
This is crazy, whoever is behind this proposal, don't we have enough we the ones in D.R ALREADY?
Written by: mzalia, 21 Jan 2010 12:58 AM
From: United States
Sisters of Mercy's Mercy Housing agency is the solution. They construct and manage 350 sq.ft. units to shelter the homeless singles. Try them ASAP.
Written by: generoso, 21 Jan 2010 8:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Atabey
Haiti will recover, take your nose out of those books and interested web sites, get up and go outside and take some Caribbean sun and come bathe in the healing waters of Labadee, while you volunteer for habitat for humanity, to rebuild Haiti.
Written by: Atabey, 21 Jan 2010 1:20 PM
From: United States, NYC
Generoso,
I'm doing fine thanks. And I was just down in the lovely Caribbean taking in sunlight and un asado de puerco on the pit with extended family for the Christmas holiday last month. Of course, your recommendations could help some other folks who suffer from very grand delusions of enlightenment. As for Haiti's recovery, well I wish I could be as optimistic as you appear to be on the subject. We've all witnessed the history of "making Haiti right" many times in history; it hasn't happen yet. I truly hope that this time will finally be the exception because it will not only provide her people with the long awaited re-birth, but also, for us, help out DR. As for the statistics, I did not make them up, they are what they are according to the sources I quoted. Since coming to this site, I've acted in a mature and sensible manner; others have not been as forth coming. Their character assassination tactics and other disgraceful acts have not endear me or others to their cause
From: United States
For what is worth, I support Priest Regino Martinez in that they have enough land where to build camps. To build them in the DR is completely unnecessary.
Written by: generoso, 21 Jan 2010 7:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Atabey
Be strong, like in my PM "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".
Live like a man, with his head up, and wanting peace but willing to take on any foes. With fury and determination, remember this too will pass.
Written by: Pepe32, 21 Jan 2010 8:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I am surprised at the Jesuit "priests" new found respect for Dominican sovereignty!
Anyhow ,I don't even have to say it but here goes ...We already have one million too many so any help that is given (We should help) should be in Haiti.
Written by: josean, 21 Jan 2010 11:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Pepe32,
Your getting better "We already have one million" (We should help)!
Written by: Atabey, 2 Jan 2013 12:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
...
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Jan 2013 12:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean perhaps someday you will "get better" and cease your treasonous tirades...
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2013 12:46 AM
From: United States, NYC
Let us hope that day comes, Pepe32.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2013 2:41 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Written by: Atabey, 2 Jan 2013 12:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
..."
The desperate IDIOT tries to run up the count!
Or is he documenting the empty space between ears?
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2013 10:12 AM
From: United States, NYC
Salsa Dura! Y Palo pa Rumba!!!!
"Oye Lo Que Te Conviene"
Y con Mucho Melao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2013 12:17 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
A mind is terrible thing to waste, you're so lucky you were born without one!
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2013 12:53 PM
From: United States, NYC
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
Recoge las maletas que el maestro ya viene
Ya estás ayoyo
Tus posts son como el yo-yo
Subiendo y bajando
El criticón está criticando
Pero los hermanos se están lanzando
Yo soy un compañero de milicia (hey!)
Que traigo la última noticia (ok!)
Vengo detonando mi bomba (cha!)
Tírate pa\' que no te me escondas (más!)
Dícelo ahora que ahí vengo yo
Poniéndotela sobre la mesa (OK!)
Dícelo ahora que ahí vengo yo
Si la salvación te interesa
Si la salvación te interesa!
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2013 1:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I think its time for you to buy a new mattress the bed bugs are crawling in your ears!
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2013 1:08 PM
From: United States, NYC
Poniéndotela sobre la mesa (OK!)
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
de nene
Con Salsa Dura y Mucho Melao!!!!!
¿Qué Pasa? Tooooooo much Salsa Dura Bongo!????????
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
:)
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2013 1:19 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Speaking in tongues; all you need now are snakes!
Written by: Atabey, 12 Jan 2013 1:27 PM
From: United States, NYC
You don't have what it takes to hang!
Like your Burro, go back to the farm.
Got better things to do on a Saturday than helping educate a burrito con mente de nene.
Written by: josean, 12 Jan 2013 1:37 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Go do your house chores before the Boricua puts rear out on the curb where she found you!
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Did you write that statement for Mr. Martinez?
Want to pull his glasses off and poke my finger in his eye.
The other is supples. Now a camp on this side the border would face less bandits attacking supplies as on the Hatian side of the border. The NGOS are looking at their own safety and ease as much as anything.
If I was some European Do godder that spent my day at a refugee cap so I could feel good where woudl I rather spend y evenings? In the DR or Haiti.
The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
1. As you can see by today's headline there is still threat or more tremors
2. These people deserve to have water and food and the only and easiest place to find it is in DR.
3. Can you self proclaimed scholars answer this question.
When has putting people in a "Concentration Camp" been a good idea? huh?
the Jews, The Japanese, Etc...
When have you ever heard a story of joy come from a concentration camp, yeah lets round up human beings put them all in a limited space fence them in so they can't walk out and let's control their food and water until we feel they are domesticated enough to let them wonder out on the streets.
What Haiti needs is organization, let foreign companies come in to rebuild, and Hire the nationals to work on the labor, that way they can get much needed economic stimulus and take pride in that they truly helped build their own nation.
Oh my God, Regino having a nationalistic stance? If there are need for proofs that miracles exists, then this is certainly it.
I was reading the keyword "oppose" and I couldn't believe what my eyes were reading. matter of faq I read it a couple of times because I couldn't believe it my self. LOL
If there aren't enough water and food for our own population (we have struggling people of our own, you know), how the heck you think there will be enough for the refugees, my friend? As JD have already said, the DR is very close to the failed state status, so this move would serve to further put it down the drain. I want the best for Haiti, but not at the expense of my own country.
Tell me about it. I wonder about the reason behind this sudden change of heart from his part.
"If there aren't enough water and food for our own population (we have struggling people of our own, you know), how the heck you think there will be enough for the refugees, my friend?"
I'll give you a good start, The water shortage in DR is a man made problem. You can say whatever you want but only the poor have a water shortage due to poor water distribution infrastructure. The CAASD was a joke for years they cut back on spending by buying cheap materials and bypassing soil and model testing. So they spend their budget fixing the same problems over and over again.
Let's see, uhmm the 3+ pools at any given resort doesn't seem to say there's a water shortage. Uhmm all the pools of homes in affluent neighborhoods don't seem to point to a water shortage. Hipolito Mejia doesn't have a water shortage, neither does Leonel. Heck most of the new high rise condo developments don't have a water shortage, and what food shortage you talking about this year was record high for r
A tent city on soe mi;itary base or closed zona franca for a few weeks with the NGO employees spending money in the community around the camp. It is good for the area where the camp is.
BAD FREAKING IDEA... I hope Leonel doesn't allow this pretext "earthquake" to bring all those starving zombies into our lands!
FRENCH GUIANA,,plenty of OPEN space
Why is the Jesuit priest doing an about face now?
1. He wants all international help to go to Haiti's territory as well as any infrastructure, where there is no government and little supervision.
A. This translates to funds, buildings, medical equipment and facilities and so forth.
B. The funds and equipment coming in would be a lot easier to manage by the Jesuits in the Haitian side, and the DR government will have no say so in the matter or supervision.
C. His excuse for always demanding more from The DR government will remain current, and his raison d' etre will still exist.
D. In no way he would want to alleviate the stress and expense to the DR government caused by the Haitian refugees, and let the DR government continue providing in our national budget to care and house the Haitian nationals.
E. Heaven forbid for the DR to benefit from any international aid to alleviate the suffering of the Haitians on this side.
injured, before and after the earthquake, and the pregnant deliveries to the tone of 40% of all the DR health budget.
It is a lot easier to refresh the medical equipment, infrastructure and supplies of facilities that are already standing and functioning than brand new ones,
They are already working this from what I understand. Check it out.
http://www.listindiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=128655
"I will make you even better questions, thinker: do you seriously believe that those refugees will remain in those camps, when they will have the oportunity of spreading out into the rest of the republic at hand"?
Well then they wouldn't be concentration camps then, they would just be temporary housing.
If they are concentration camps watch would be kept by the military to ensure the inhabitants do not wonder off. I mean that is the main purpose of a concentration camp to keep the population concentrated in one are so that an eye can be kept on them.
The point is that this is the reality we cant spend too much time speculating what might or n=might not happen this is an emergency and planning has to be done as 'pay as you go" basis we cant have lengthy senate sessions to deal with this , there are still kids trapped under the rubble.
Plus the simple fact that Dominican nationals were in Haiti should be reason enough for their gov. to step in, but then again..
At the very least we agree on this last point, which is kind of embarrassing for me, this is my country of origin after all.
where nothing happen in the country,the ONU should know that we can;t deal with refugee camp
or with inmigrant.Dominican should help same as other country are doing but same as the others country we can;t deal with refugee.
thanks
Pop: ~ 10 million people. Under 18 years old 4.2 million
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Under 5 yr old 1.25 million. (2007)
fertility: 3.6% ( 2007)
Land: 27,750 sq km
GNI (US$), 560 2007
The statistics above are indicators that point to the incredible, indeed severe, difficulties faced by any group of organizations/governments to address Haiti's current constitution. Population pressures will continue to drain Haiti's capacity to expand and deliver goods and services to their domestic population. Taken together the pent-up population growth statistics suggest a latent population bomb that could protean to an oncoming mass starvation situation akin to what the world witnessed in the 1980s in Africa. With more than half (5.46 million)its total population under 18 in 2007, Haiti is on the threshold of a large demographic explosion that will make her population heavily dependent on massive food delivery from the international community, and could also destabilize her neighboring r
The population time bomb and other statistics measure or reflect handicaps that suggest that Haiti, as currently constituted, is not a viable entity; and that the International Community along with the Haitian people need to undertake a serious consideration for a re-settlement plan. While the Senegalese proposal is a start, a
Let's take a look at your questions:
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
1. As you can see by today's headline there is still threat or more tremors
I could be wrong, but you failed to establish a point here. Your logic looks like: Because there are more tremors the Haitians must be allowed into the RD. There are "tremors," or "earthquakes" as I like to call them, in the RD all the time. There was an earthquake in La Altagracia on 16
This was 20 years ago and is going strong in actuality, and picking speed.
The irresponsibility of the religious groups that have some much influence in Haiti, is partly responsible for the uncontrolled and drastic population increase.
Urgent measures including sterilization must first nip the problem in the bud, and start mass campaigns to stop the increase of constant births, that are sinking Haiti further.
Many experts have long said that Haiti's biggest challenge is to stop the amount of unregulated births, that just cause more poverty in the short, medium and long term.
I agree with immigration to other countries that would welcome Haiti, and provide for them, but to have high expectations in the French generosity is a waste of time. France has been irresponsible and aloof of Haiti's problems in the past, and the trend seems to be a continuance of that policy.
Re Senegal, I suspect the magnanimity of such an offer
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
2. These people deserve to have water and food and the only and easiest place to find it is in DR.
You are stretching....."the only and easiest place" to find water is the RD. You've got to be joking. Thousands of metric tons of aid is flowing into Puerto Principe as we speak. Including agua my friend. As a matter of fact I just saw U.S. Marines handing out water at the Presidential Palace in Puerto Principe on CNN. So....looks like water is available in Haiti....so no need for Haitianos to move to the RD.......
Iron: The reason why Haitians need to be relocated is because:
3. Can you self proclaimed scholars answer this question.
This is your final point?? Or is it..... When has putting people in a "Concentration Camp" been a good idea? huh?
the Jews, The Japanese, Etc...
Okay....concentration camp you say..... You're either contradicting yourself here, or you're advocating that not only should thousands of Haitians be allowed into Quisqueya, but they shouldn't be placed into refugee camps. This leaves only the option of allowing the Haitians to live amongst the Dominican populace. This is so very easy for you to say from New Haven, Connecticut, but you should realize that the RD cannot support a refugee.....
As far as camps go, set them up in Haiti. There's sufficient room for this. Haiti has 10 states, nearly 11,000 sq. miles. There's plenty of room to set up tent cities where the international community can care for the survivors of the quake, evacuate the capital if deemed necessary, and organize the.....
If the French would do that I am sure the US would be willing to pack up and leave Haiti to them LOL.
Frankly I do not think the rest of the world realises what the DR does. If the US and DR do not do what they can then mass migration follows.
Why freaking DR?
We are simply another poor country in the middle of this fiasco. Why isn't France taking the whole 1.5 millions back to Africa or some place in France.
I can't believe this....
We cannot be have a decent meal or job in DR because most of our jobs and money is going to hospitals and social aid to help the 4 millions Haitians already in DR.
What else should we do?
All Dominicans leave DR and hand it over to Haitians.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
We have to riot and stop this joke. We are Dominican Republic, created and built with our blood and daily sacrifice.
Above all, poor, however in better standing than even other bigger countries or better some maintained by the U.S
In conclusion, I agree with this guy. There's plenty of land in Haiti where they all can be relocated.
In some other country in Europe wants them, you are more than welcome!!
Haiti will recover, take your nose out of those books and interested web sites, get up and go outside and take some Caribbean sun and come bathe in the healing waters of Labadee, while you volunteer for habitat for humanity, to rebuild Haiti.
I'm doing fine thanks. And I was just down in the lovely Caribbean taking in sunlight and un asado de puerco on the pit with extended family for the Christmas holiday last month. Of course, your recommendations could help some other folks who suffer from very grand delusions of enlightenment. As for Haiti's recovery, well I wish I could be as optimistic as you appear to be on the subject. We've all witnessed the history of "making Haiti right" many times in history; it hasn't happen yet. I truly hope that this time will finally be the exception because it will not only provide her people with the long awaited re-birth, but also, for us, help out DR. As for the statistics, I did not make them up, they are what they are according to the sources I quoted. Since coming to this site, I've acted in a mature and sensible manner; others have not been as forth coming. Their character assassination tactics and other disgraceful acts have not endear me or others to their cause
Be strong, like in my PM "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".
Live like a man, with his head up, and wanting peace but willing to take on any foes. With fury and determination, remember this too will pass.
Anyhow ,I don't even have to say it but here goes ...We already have one million too many so any help that is given (We should help) should be in Haiti.
Your getting better "We already have one million" (We should help)!
Let us hope that day comes, Pepe32.
"Written by: Atabey, 2 Jan 2013 12:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
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The desperate IDIOT tries to run up the count!
Or is he documenting the empty space between ears?
Salsa Dura! Y Palo pa Rumba!!!!
"Oye Lo Que Te Conviene"
Y con Mucho Melao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
A mind is terrible thing to waste, you're so lucky you were born without one!
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
Recoge las maletas que el maestro ya viene
Ya estás ayoyo
Tus posts son como el yo-yo
Subiendo y bajando
El criticón está criticando
Pero los hermanos se están lanzando
Yo soy un compañero de milicia (hey!)
Que traigo la última noticia (ok!)
Vengo detonando mi bomba (cha!)
Tírate pa\' que no te me escondas (más!)
Dícelo ahora que ahí vengo yo
Poniéndotela sobre la mesa (OK!)
Dícelo ahora que ahí vengo yo
Si la salvación te interesa
Si la salvación te interesa!
I think its time for you to buy a new mattress the bed bugs are crawling in your ears!
Poniéndotela sobre la mesa (OK!)
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
de nene
Con Salsa Dura y Mucho Melao!!!!!
¿Qué Pasa? Tooooooo much Salsa Dura Bongo!????????
Oye lo que te conviene
No solamente lo que te entretiene
Pa\' que no te quedes con la mente de nene
:)
Speaking in tongues; all you need now are snakes!
You don't have what it takes to hang!
Like your Burro, go back to the farm.
Got better things to do on a Saturday than helping educate a burrito con mente de nene.
Go do your house chores before the Boricua puts rear out on the curb where she found you!