SANTIAGO.- The Haitians who returned home to spend the year end holidays with relatives began their exodus to Dominican Republic across the border via roads, desolate areas and the coasts, while the guards become rich and the press repeats the ‘peaceful invasion’ of the foreigners.
The documented foreigners normally return across the bridge over the Masacre river, but others are seen in groups crossing to El Copey, Manzanillo, Cañongo, Santiago de la Cruz and other places where the military presence is minimum.
The presence of the undocumented foreigners in groups of as many as 200 in plain sight has who startled the residents in neighboring communities, despite the Dominican military’s vigilance in the various highways.
However the transporters of the aliens have their own routes to reach destinations in Dominican Republic, while many Haitians who enter Dominican territory for Dajabon’s binational market of Mondays and Fridays take advantage of the activity to sneak into other towns.
The Jesuit priest Regino Martinez, director of Border Solidarity, yesterday said to newspaper Hoy that the process the Dominican authorities have implemented to control, regulate and repatriate Haitians is “indiscriminate,” and that there’s a lack of “rational and intelligent control” to enforce the Immigration law.
He said as long as there’s no legal framework to control the border zones and regulate immigration, the guards are becoming rich and the press will entertain itself speaking of the Haitians’ ‘peaceful invasion’, driven by the very officials whose job is to protect the border and national security.
From: United States
have your cake and eat it too !
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2010 2:51 PM
From: United States, NYC
It's simply amazing how inept this administration is with regards to migratory issues. One would think that at the least a system of visa documentation financed by the numerous NGOs or governments that clamor every now and then against the Dominican Republic's treatment of illegal migrants. I find no reason to deny Haitians the right, under established conditions, to work in the DR, if labor demand exist. What I find amazing and ill conceived is this lack of organization and laissez-faire attitude by all involved. Perhaps the national census to be financed by Taiwan's 10 million dollars will constitute the moment to establish a rational system of internal documentation.
Written by: fedadiaz 
, 4 Jan 2010 3:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Mesapresidencial : What can your beloved president will do about that ?
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Carlos,
After carefully reading your comment, I can rationalize your salutation and allegations of my non-existent Haitian roots.
Yes, Dominicans would rather play dominoes in the barrio all day than take on a construction job that pays less than what they desire or feel entitled to. Well, let's see, Dominicans are already unable to afford decent housing so, if we paid Dominicans what they feel entitled to, then how do you think anybody would be able to afford housing?
Your reading comprehension may be lacking. I went back and checked and re-checked my statement above which instigated your ire, and nothing that I said suggested that I am Haitian. I was just alluding to problem root cause. Period.
Look, we could sit here and argue all day about it, but in the end, we would both likely wind up Dominican-at least I would be. We could brag about our lineage, and I am sure I would not lose, strictly based on family name and wealth. Let's stop the nonsense.
MJEV.
Written by: juanb, 4 Jan 2010 3:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We are a country for the rich:
The rich don't want to observe laws. So they don't. Laws are for poor people
The rich want to keep the poor ignorant. So they are. There is no money for education.
The rich want to keep our Police working for them. So they make sure that they are underpaid and dependent on handouts, or worse, crime.
The rich want to keep a never ending flow of poor non legal workers here. So the flow never slows down. Most of these people are so happy to have an income, any income, that they will work harder than any "entitled" citizen, and at jobs that a Dominican believes is below his status. The fact is that two of our most important economic sectors (Agriculture and Construction) would not exist if it weren't for these illegals.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Juan,
Be very careful, lest you wnat to be labeled Haitian. Your last sentence above could be rather incriminating.
MJEV.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2010 4:10 PM
From: United States, NYC
The address below is for the Jesuit Refugee Services in the USA. Write your letters-I have- to them. Perhaps some good will come from our expressing in good nature our hopes for rectifying
this perennial problem.
Jesuit Refugee Service USA
1016 16th Street NW, Suite 500
Washington, DC 20036
USA
jrsusadirector@jesuit.org
Written by: msjersey, 4 Jan 2010 4:52 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
This is crazy, there is not willingness from the government to stop this invasion.
I said before that these people are like termites, they destroy everything in their path,
they already destroyed their side of the island, and they will do the same to our country.
http://www.quisqueya.name/Historia.html#anchor_191We have to send a message to every political candidate in regard to this issue
they should know that we want this invasion to stop.
Here is a link to a very intereting site, read i and pass it along to families and friends, see
what the haitian have been about toward us through out hundreds of years.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
how about some peaceful deportations
Written by: msjersey, 4 Jan 2010 5:02 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
From: United States
"The fact is that two of our most important economic sectors (Agriculture and Construction) would not exist if it weren't for these illegals." I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS POINT.
To Juanb & Glaxo, who the hell do you think was doing the farm and construction jobs before the Haitians invaded? What you are talking about is job displacement against Dominican worker. Haitians have depressed the job market and displaced the DR worker to the extent that their is no incentive for poor Dominicans to seek lawful employment. However, it is the campesinos and poverty stricken Dominicans the ones who have suffered the greatest of consequences due to a massive influx of illegal Haitians. Don't you get it? Haitians have practically forced native Dominicans to abandone their homes and farm lands to seek refuge in large cities or resort to illegal migration themselves, risking lives crossing the mona passage in rickety, makeshift boats known as "yolas" in an attempt to reach the US shores.
Written by: BASTA, 4 Jan 2010 6:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
It is a fact that We Dominicans Know better than the whole world. Close all gas stations on Sunday and we will save gasoline. Now that is from the top and a President who is educated DUH= its part of the gene pool that we Dominicans are just plain retarded. In addition, if you go back in time we find our roots passing through Spain, Italy and Haiti to Africa. Here we are white, in the rest of the word we are the big N word.
Written by: ateo1992 
, 4 Jan 2010 6:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well pack your bags and lest get the f*** out of here, it seems our pathetic authorities have forgotten about the situation in the border. This country in 15 to 20 years will become another haiti, another poor and miserable haiti, this so sad. Oh boy all the fun things ill love to do if i have the head of state. Is always good to dream.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Gill,
For as long as I can remember, Haitians were doing farm work in DR. They harvested my family's sugar cane crop and other's.
Yes, it is true many Dominicans were also laborers and that was appropriate occupation given their skills set.
Is it possible that Dominicans have set their sights much too high and incommensurate with present dire world economic situation? Perhaps they should re-consider decision to abandon western frontier and migrate to the slums of Santo Domingo, where we lost family land to these squatters. They would serve both their and country's purpose well by returning to agrarian life. They will better their lives, reclaim their land and national sovereignty.
They left after the glitter of the big city and those darn Jipettas and all the vice a big city offers, when the rural life they abandoned was more wholesome and better. Now they waste their lives away in the slums playing dominoes, while migrant Haitians are bettering their lot. Sad.
MJE
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Velocidad,
Thank you for your support and obvious humanity.
Haitians are not somehow children of lesser God, they are just experiencing some difficulties that I would hope some day they will overcome and become a prosperous nation. As a christian, I wish them well.
It is rather ironic that a nation known for dubious titled of having largest number of legal and illegal immigrants to the US also has such inhumane views of Haitians doing same in the land they've chosen to abandon.
You know, my mother told me a moving story: that my cousin, who resides at a most expensive compound in Arrroyo Hondo, invited his Haitian "sereno" and family to the main house for Christmas dinner, to share the experience and gifts. BTW, we treat our help very well and with utmost dignity and respect-always!
I can trace my family through 400 years of European history, and am sure that if I could go back further I would find that some of them were in same situation as Haitians in DR today.
Written by: Trujillo, 4 Jan 2010 7:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Let them call you "radicals, racists, etc." for defending your country. It's totally worth it.
Written by: Trujillo, 4 Jan 2010 8:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
WTF, I don't consider myself above anybody based on social status or whatever. Are you talking about the caste system in India? I was taught from a very early age not to treat anybody as inferior because they're poorer than me. Even when sharing a piece of bread I was taught to ALWAYS give the bigger piece. Heck, I'm basically broke right now because I have given away almost all of my hard earned money and I don't care because I feel great for helping people out.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2010 8:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
PRsoldier781 said: "lmao justice......i cant wait till my country kicks you dirty monkeys out my country."
And I can't wait till the gringos jettison your lazy arses from their payroll, a**hole.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2010 8:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Trust me, if you weren't under the gringo's payroll ($$$$), my countrymen wouldn't have any interest whatsoever in your little piece of sandbar.
From: United States
The experience will humble you
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2010 8:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Why don't you look into the very real racism in your own haitian country, ettienc? where only a 5% white/mulatto minority owns 90% of the resources while the 95% majority of african origin are experiencing hunger, violence and disease by the millions? Don't tell me that you believe in the american liberal lie about haitians being incapable of discriminating because they have no power to do so? Or better yet, why don't you go and confess your feelings to josean?, cuz' it's hardly a secret here that you have a crush on him (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Written by: msjersey, 4 Jan 2010 8:46 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Here we are again fighting about who's right or wrong about the haitian invasion, if you say send them back, somebody would rise up and call you a racist, or say that we're black too, but it's not even about color, or if we play dominoes all day and drink presidente, it's about defending our territory of this INVASION; the reason why we don't work construction is because they won't pay a dominican guy what is really worth a day of work working construction, or cutting sugar cane.
Im pretty sure that for the right price everybody would work, but the rich people are taking advantage of the situation, and the working class is paying the price, because these haitian people would work for a plate of food, and that is not fair to the working dominican class, if there was not haitians around they will be forced to pay what is right to a dominican.
This is a conspiracy between the rich and the government that allow such abuse, not to haitian, but to the dominican working class.
Written by: ateo1992 
, 4 Jan 2010 11:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PRsoldier781, you are the dirty boricuan monkey, the most depressed and miserable in the inside people on this continent are the ones from PR, you better thank the Americans for helping your poor miserable piece of sh*t island and from resuscitating it from the hunger back in the 30's.
and to all the haitian and so called " dominicans " in here F*** you!!!! a billion times infinity.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
PR,
I am a Dominican with half the family hailing from Hatillo, Mayaguez, Rio Piedras and Rio Grande, PR. We have some of the most interesting discussions when we get together at Christmas time.
PR is no gem. I would grant you fact that you have some of the most beautiful women anywhere, particularly those from Hatillo-oh how I love them! In my own family, we've come to agree that they might just be most beautiful on earth!
Women aside, men are lazy an unambitious and prone to life of crime. We opened a construction business there two years ago and had to close it because we couldn't deliver on promised dates because of outward laziness on the workers.
I can't believe how many gay men there are in PR-must be something in the water! Nothing against sexual persuasion and this is just an observation. This makes Dominican men very popular in PR.
I don't believe you are PRican and consider you a fraud. Please go back to cave whence you came from.
MJEV.
Written by: ateo1992 
, 4 Jan 2010 11:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PRsoldier781, you stupid idiot forgot that PR also had lots of slaves, and indians know your history you idiot. The only monkey in here is you, lazy ass puerto ricans. Your lips must be all run by russian tanks so your dirty mouths shut up. now go claim your government welfare. pig.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
PR,
You are still a fraud and, assuming you are indeed from San Juan, I respect you even less.
Fact is you are probably from La Perla or LLorenz Torres or some other caserio.
The content, quality of your writing doesn't speak of an educated individual; your attitude and gang-like mentality doesn't help you much, either.
Look, I attended Consuelo Escalona and Liceo Interamericano Castro schools [private!!] In PR, and my neighbor was a giant and great person: Roberto Clemente. What a truly great man he was. I still remember him picking me up and telling me that baseball was good but I must concentrate on school first. I remember gentle and proud Vera and Robertito-what a truly great family and human beings! Too bad you could never measure up to them.
PR, I still consider you a fraud, an instigator and malicious fraud! You are far from representing the island people that I know and am related to. You have no purpose.
Please execute a Houdini feat.
MJEV.
From: United States
hellooo, there's a new constitution in dr. no more frontera.
Written by: generoso, 5 Jan 2010 8:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
I don't see what the big deal is. The border is largely porous and not well enforced, so the Haitians can walk back and forth at their discretion, never mind the authorities. Most Haitians living and working in DR, take the Christmas holiday to return home and spend with their friends and family.
In January after festivities are over, they return to their jobs in DR, with some cash in their pockets in case they are caught by the occasional guardia, who must be "greased".
This de facto situation is largely the fault of the Dominican authorities, that do not bother to enforce the border immigration, customs and security stops that most countries in the world have in place, to protect their nationals against foes, contraband and illegal enterprises.
Let's not get mad at the status quo but do something to change it. If you will like more border vigilance, better illegal immigrant controls, then write to your representative and demand it.
Good fences make good neighbors.
Written by: msjersey, 5 Jan 2010 9:39 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Produce and housing should be the cheapest thing in DR, do to the cheap labor these rich farmers and developers pay, a plate of food a day to a hungry haitian, which by the way is not force to come to DR, they're eating each other on the other side, they have to survive, it's not their fault; I would do the same.
Thank you LF, you and the rich have made a parade out of the working DOMINICAN class.
I thought cousin Hipolito was bad.
This is a conspiracy against US Mr. LF, history should judge you harshly.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
since when did we started to allow puerto ricans on this website, is it not bad enough we have haitians in here?
From: United States
Hellborn25, haitians,cubans,puerto ricans are our neighbors... anyone should be welcome here.
From: United States, New York City
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Written by: Escott, 5 Jan 2010 1:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
I should write a novela with all the personalities whom I have known for a while and the new ones thrown in. I would not only be rich but wanted by all the women who will think this as a gift to them:)
Carry on folks.
Just as an aside as a American/Dominican since I have two passports I fail to understand why any people will caste another people in a poor light. The name calling while amusing is just childish silly stuff since the only reason for it is you are from different places. Heck it is impossible to tell the difference between a Puerto Rican and a Dominican and if you are decentants from slaves you had no choices so what is the difference?
Keep the material flying and I am taking notes. Name of the Novela is going to be Dominicana Today:)
Written by: deicibao, 5 Jan 2010 1:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los Caballeros
Year 2040 Dominicans are the minority in their own country and the new Hatian president in DR is trying to pass a law to unify the island. This is what is going to happen if the massive invasion of illegal Hatians is not stop.
Written by: Trujillo, 5 Jan 2010 3:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I just heard on tv that the first person born in the DR in 2010 is a haitian girl in Boca Chica. She's the sixth child in that family. And hey PRsoldier, gusano envuelto en hoja, Puerto Rico is not even a country. Go back and assume the position. To me you're nothing.
Written by: Pepe32, 5 Jan 2010 4:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Los nacidos en el territorio nacional, con excepción de los que fueren hijos de extranjeros miembros de legaciones diplomáticas y consulares o de extranjeros que se hallaren en tránsito o residieren ilegalmente en territorio quisqueyano."
Written by: Micaela, 5 Jan 2010 10:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So velocidad you would never take seriously the words of someone with Trujillo as pseudo name, besides being sure that his views would be extremely radical. Is Trujillo such a dirty word that maybe any Dominican with that last name should be shot in the spot if ever dares to say the name or at least tried and found guilty of radicalism?
I could see that you gladly take the words of anybody that is not a racist or an extreme radical, that is anybody that agrees that the Haitian invasion is a necessity for DR, therefore, nobody should be complaining, on the contrary, accept them, fight to make them all legal or even better, open wide the borders, so they all can come and help DR, taking the jobs that the lazy Dominicans refuse to take?
Written by: Micaela, 5 Jan 2010 10:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Velocidad, if you are really Dominican, I hope you know what is the Supreme Court of Justice and what it does. Just in case, as per the Supreme, that has the power to do it, the Constitution doesn't say that anymore. Now transit was redefined and the children of illegal Haitians born in DR if the father is Haitian and the mother came four years, four months or just four hours prior to delivery, are not Dominicans. That is the law, what the constitution says and of course, should be respected by all, Dominicans and foreigners. And you are absolutely right, that total quagmire of the Haitian invation should never be blamed on Haiti, we were the ones invading them, trying to unify the island and ruling Haiti with an iron fist. We had in the past and may have in the future a Dominican Presidents with Haitian blood lineage, but Dominicans; did you know that ever in his life Lilís or Trujillo considered themselves anything but Dominicans?
Written by: deicibao, 6 Jan 2010 12:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los Caballeros
Damit this velocidad guy can surely write ja ja ja.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Ahh the PASSIVE INVASION topic. That which a lot of Dominicans inside and out of the country pay no mind to. Indeed is a controversial topic and a reality. But i have to say is just as serious as we make it. Honestly the current government is not paying much attention to it as we see. There are other problems which are being emphasized, therefore PASSIVE INVASION concerns are not taken into consideration. The truth is that Haitians are just like any other poor mass. They are being pushed out of their country due to the economic situations, not their own will. Just as Mexicans and the U.S. As long as DR rich individuals are getting a lot for less this problem will continue to happen.
Wao what can i say i just found my ideal website to collect and analyze useful information. Some of you guys are on the ball. Where have you guys been hiding. Dominicans that actually talk about something worth while. (( By the way i am Dominican))LOL
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
LaBach,
Welcome to the forum.
I'd be cautious with content of your last paragraph above, relative DT contributors. You really haven't been exposed to commentaries from far-edge contributors...they can be both puzzling and entertaining and outright bizzare.
Again, welcome!
Written by: msjersey, 6 Jan 2010 9:15 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Velocidad put the cigaweed down and get some sleep.
That everything hatian site is just bs to me, is like saying the USA does not belong to its inhabitant now a day, or like every other country in the Americas, it is just pure haitian propaganda my friend, beside, Spanish people came here first than the french and the afro-lambones.
...so go tell it to somebody that does not know anything.
FUERA LOS TERMITES PEOPLE.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Jan 2010 9:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Velocidad needs to get a life ,Compatriotas this guy is not "new" ,he is either a Piti infiltrator or one of our dear traitors under disguise because no one just happens to enter a forum with such vehemence on a subject .
Now he posts a link to the one post in EVH that is positive about DR and us and it was opened by our one and only delusional maniac afrolatino.
Here is a link to a truly representative thread ,chek this one and others out and you will see either hatred for us or even among most of the "peaceful" ones that they all believe that the island is theirs!
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=546&PID=1857Their is only one Haitian on that forum that does not agree with that position ,either than that there is Belly,AfroLatino and whatyoucando from DT but the near unanimous consensous is that this is their land!
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Jan 2010 9:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Compatriotas ,no le hagan caso a este tipo ya que los traidores no merecen tanta atención ,nosotros sabemos la situación verdadera y la amenaza que implica para nuestra Patria esta invasión "pacifica".Este tipo no es Dominicano ya que en el mejor de los casos es un Dominicano o hijo de Dominicanos contaminado en el exterior por el mal afronazi y en el peor de los casos es otro infiltrado piti mas y ninguno de estos grupos desean lo mejor para RD .
Tenemos votaciones para cada tema ,en vez de contestarle todos sus disparates muéstrenle que su Haitianismo no es grato y al poco tiempo se cansará.
Nosotros somos la mayoría absoluta y por mucho que cacareen pende.jos como este no podemos desviar nuestra atención ni darle fuerza para seguir.
Written by: msjersey, 6 Jan 2010 10:09 AM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Pepe,
Thanks for that site, it really opened my eyes wider to the fact that this people hate us with a passion, but you know what, that should make us stronger. We should really do something because the way things are going in a near future we gonna have trouble with these people, they still think the whole island is their, when they actually took it by force.
Written by: generoso, 6 Jan 2010 10:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Pepe32
Velocidad no es más que otro antifaz del tres veces expulsado AfroLatino y TanBellaMami, un panegirista de la supremacía Haitiana y troll consumado.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Jan 2010 12:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Gracias Generoso ,ya me lo advirtieron por correo pero yo sin mirar su IP me lo "olia" como buen campesino.
From: United States
The regular Dominicans will not be distracted by tired and old the magic trick : the Haitians are coming., The Haitians are coming !!!!!!
This article is for the consumption of those with their bellies full of sancocho y chicharron living in the cities of United States who can afford this exercice in futility.
Have we not we heard this cry before : The Haitians are Coming. The Haitians are taking over the whole island ?
Wait for the next election. The issue is going to be solely about Haitians invasion.
The regular Dominicans will tell the politicians ,the hypocrites the demaguogues, the vain patriots what they have always told them : Shut the f ---up about Haitians invasion and tell us how you are going to improve our lives.
From: United States
If we really want to get Haitians out there are many effective ways to do it.
Love me !Love not !
Need you ! need you not !
Stay ! Go home
Come back ! No go away !
With so many mixed signals the regular Dominican understand the game.
See you next January 2011.
You will postiing same useles mierdas.
Despierta y huele el cafe !
Despierta de tu letagia y trata de comprender la realitad y la complexidad de la situacion Haitiana Dominicana
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
I read the post on EVH and if any of you can or have actually read it comprehensively you will see that he is asking us valid questions. He is asking for us both people on the island to stop this hatred madness we are clinging onto to keep us divided at mind when we should strive for coexistence in cohabiting the island peacefully. Here is the link again folks, I suggest you all take time to carefully read it:
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1943 The very title said: ENOUGH WITH THE HATE & RESENTMENTS! "We Are Not Each Others' Enemies." The main hypothetical question he asked was: "Let us say that the island does not belong to the Haitians, can we the Dominicans say that it surely really does to us also?" He also said that "The Dominican Republic is as much the fruit of former imperial Europeans as the Haitian Republic is. Thus, both Dominicans and Haitians are results of past conquerors and colonizers who have been on the island."
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
We are so adamant and fixated on our hatred that is preventing us from doing the basic natural thing which is to rationalize our ideologies respectfully... Logical objectivity before emotional subjectivity folks! That is what good debates are all about! People here are so quick to dismiss other opinions expressed on here that we have resulted in totalitarian, dictatorship authoritarian-like mentalities instead of constructively debating each other with civility. My question is, what is the point for comments if people are ready to delete them simply because the views commented are not in sync with theirs? Does this not defeat the purpose of "comments allowance" to begin with? If your comments were all you wanted to see on any respective articles or forums, then you are as good as having a debate with your own self as a person. Think about it, we are all posting our views because we know others will read them, might wish to debate them and at times agree or/and disagree...
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
For those still who are wondering about who I am. It has been said on here several times that Afro and I are an item. What is deviations? This should no longer even be a topic, issue or an argument that he uses my account to post and if people on here were not such whiners they would engage him constructively instead of their illogical mob lynchings and immature senseless vote downs out of spite and hateful means to simply see his posts get deleted. It is absurd that people still trying to press on trying to find out who posters are when it is the comments, remarks, statements we are here to debate, voice opinions upon not directly the person personally... As one poster posted above, we have got to really know what we want... "We Cannot Have The Cake And Eat, Too" even though I know some of you will find an argument in even that statement, but that is what it is all about is it not, debating, analyzing and dissecting different views.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Thus as seen here on the upper right corner of the post, most of you cannot presume to have high moral grounds over the next poster if this is how most of you find to be a productive way to have proper arguments, debates and discussions on something posted on a forum... Why post comments, posts or remarks at all if all one wanted was to only see responses of others who think only just like him or herself on it? Then one might have as well not turned on their computer screen and hop on a blogs' sphere oriented forum. One does not just throw a rock and hide their hands... this kind of behavior is "Cowardice" and shows exactly how redundant one has made him/herself to be.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Allow me to be or play the devil's advocate here... To say that Haitians are the ones cursing and wishing Dominicans ill is denying the fact that people on here have always used derogatory words to describe next door neighbor Haiti or Haitians and expect them to not find insults in them, but yet those same people go cry wolves and rivers the minute when the medicine is shoved right back down their very own throats.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Prime example, here is a post
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1943 that most of you on here have tarnished due to lack of comprehensive reading skills of basic objective evaluative standardization of it even when the very title of it says...
ENOUGH WITH THE HATE & RESENTMENTS!
"We Are Not Each Others' Enemies."
It is not like most people on here have had the understanding to engage others constructively in debates without wanting to have their ideals reign over others' opinions the minute other views are not in sync with theirs. Instead most of you rely on debasing, degrading and demeaning tactics to include immature conspiring "voting downs" of opinions of those you have created own personal vendetta against or toward... Meanwhile wishing to have only their own views posted on here defeating the purpose why a forum is a forum on a blog sphere to begin with.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Jan 2010 10:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Este imbecil pone la unica entrada positiva en todo ese foro,pero vean esto;
who was behind the murder of the haitian hero, jean jacques dessalines, haiti only been independent for 2 years. 1804 to 1806. eversince the murder of dessalines haiti is no longer an independent. the dominican republic BELONG to haiti, la nasalle island also, we lost everything after the death of this legend. haiti is no longer belong to haitians , haiti belong to international community, they have their own occupation over there( ministah) and preval in the haitian parlement in their packet.
Ademas que lo que usa como ejemplo fue algo que el mismo puso!!
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Jan 2010 11:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Aqui otra joya del amor Haitiano hacia nosotros y que conste que si uno de nosotros escribieramos algo cerca de eso pegarían el grito al cielo y nos tacharían de racistas ...
"I hate DR rats,snake,lice, ticks, whores, sluts , animals,fleas, bed bug so much; that if I had about 100 million rounds of ballets, I would kill them all myself. DR is the human race that should have never been born, I hate thier guts , they make me sick. I hate the fact those dogs, rats, snake, lice, tricks, whore, sluts, fleas, whores, sluts, and roaches mask up like they care about Haiti only to insult the Haitian people. I can't wait until we start to kill those DR, which would be correcting an error that need to corrected by killing them . if you ask me, we Need to start killing them now, if you ask me."
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Somebody obviously neglected to take his anxiety pills today. Careful analysis of his writing above clearly suggest that this individual is not well and has suffered deep mental wounds. Perhaps some well-trained individual in forum could offer him some assistance.
Meanwhile, I will continue to increase my stock of ammo and guns. Last count I had 1500 rounds of SW 40 cal. rounds, not counting the box of "Black Talon", or the brick of 22 magnum. I also have seven hand guns and numerous knives, so I'll be ready and waiting, just in case this individual chooses the wrong Dominican.
BTW, I shoot strictly at large body mass, focusing around heart area, and am quite a good shot. Also, I am a mild-mannered Dominican, and am sure there are some here with borderline personalities, and who are much better shot than I am and would gladly oblige you and put you out of your misery.
Please be careful with your overt aggression against us.
MJEV.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Emotionally disturbed person!!!!! What a troubled soul. That is an intense hate toward the DR. You can categorize that individual as a terrorist, plans speak for themselves. Looking to harm DR and its citizens.
Make a comment around me like that you will be getting clocked immediately, no questions asked!!. LOL
GLOMAEXPLORER what are you getting ready for with all that hardware?lol
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Pepe32,
How about you post the replies of the Haitians who stood up against that poster (Nnbpts08) telling her that she was wrong for using such harsh language of hatred? It was that one girl who posted a messed up thread. Anyways, how about you post their good posts on here as well? Of course you won't because you know what's your agenda is aiming for... you know you rely on this back and forth hatred to stay in business yourself as a extremist radical. You and that Haitian girl from EVH have so much in common and are no different from each other. You both like to use hatred as tool to further your causes and agendas and plague others with your divisiveness garbage.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
LBa,
Other Haitians on EVH have told her she was wrong for her hatred comments. How many times has any other Dominicans actually stood up against another Dominican for their vulgar derogatory comments like some Haitians did against that girl who used such foul language huh? Exactly, not too often, if ever... So many on here do not have the higher moral ground since they too have engaged in the very same debasing rhetoric.
From: United States, Brooklyn
TanBella Mami,
You cannot say that Dominicans do not stand up to other Dominicans when they are wrong. Absolutely not! What is wrong is wrong. Sometimes a group of people get together and vent, and you do not see corrections being made to their comments. But i am sure when the storm blows over cohesion comes back to the table and the much needed corrections are then made.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Oh come on my LBa,
Hardly ever do other sane Dominicans correct the extremist radical ones... Anyways, there is never any reasoning with some Dominicans on here who stand with their minds made up to tarnish any good bilateral junctures between DR & Haiti. Here is a post on EVH
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1955 Let me know what you think... Some actually live off the negativity to always have a reason to vilify and demonize Haitians and what is worse, they do not like being called out on it. Some other Dominicans fear that if they even take an apathetic-sympathetic stance that may seem favorable to Haiti that other Dominicans will alienate them on here...
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2010 9:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Tanbella you are a raving lunatic and as I have told you before you don't give a flying f... about DR!
Even you get massacred over there ,forget whatcanyoudo ,the worst thing is that through that tirade most Haitians reiterated the claim on DR .
Now you can try and BS all you want but all they have to do is go on EVH and see for themselves like msjersey did .
You obviousely need to get a job because posting under so many pseudonyms in multiple forums seems to keep you busy all the time.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2010 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What the imbecile does not understand is that we are not the ones who have 1.5 million illegals in Haiti!
We never invaded or occupied Haiti!
We don't claim Haiti as ours !
We are the ones receiving the Haitian love with their compatriots overloading our system and they have the nerve to complain about us!
This guy and his many faces is a hypocrite because if you follow the Haitian forum you notice that they are almost unanimous in their claim for DR and one even states matter of fact what we already know ...it is happening and they are taking our land little by little without firing a shot!
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2010 10:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Now I challenge this little bitc.h to find one posting where I call for the KILLING of Haitians before he starts comparing me to that biti female dog!
If you want peace please remain completely quiet if we exercise our right to deport each and every ILLEGAL Haitian in DR.
Once Haitians are not massively in DR then we can talk about "friendship" and working together meanwhile it is a passive invasion supported of course by the powerful interests foreign and domestic that already screw my people!
But no matter what the reason for the immigration ,the indisputable reality is that is is bad for the general Dominican population and is a demographic threat to the existence of DR.
The worst thing about Haitians (if you see in the EVH forum) is that as I have stated a million times ,they are in denial!!,they have their heads in their arses living in a fantasy world and people who do not recognize their faults are condemned to continue repeating them!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Ok, this questions might sound stupid. but im new here what is the evh forum? Whats the address to it so i can visit and check it out.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
This guy Pepe32 is a fool!
If any of you go on EVH, you will see there are hardly ever any posts about DR & HAITI much, not too often anyways... Hell, Haitians on there sadly ever even talk about Haitian affairs, leave alone DR's affairs nor the conflicts between the two nations.
I mean, anyone can go on there themselves and do a tally of all the posts ever posed on EVH
http://www.everythinghaitian.com and tell me by their counts how often threads about Haitians bashing DR showed up and if there is, how many then compare with the amount of threads, remarks posted on here on DT about Haitians.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Now that is the challenge both Haitians and Dominicans should not be afraid of... here is the link
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/Blogs/ to the blog section on EVH to do the count if we constructively want to show whom has more animosity toward who fairly and square... There are actually about a total of 53 pages worth of blogs on EVH. Som let the count begins and please I ask for both sides Haitians and Dominicans to post the link for each hateful posts they find on DT or EVH.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Thus, here is the reality.
Are there some extremist radical Haitians on EVH who may be just as messed up in the head as there are extremist radical Dominicans on here on DT? Yes, indeed there are.
However quite often you will find other Haitians telling those other Haitians with hateful ideologies to cool it and all... but on here on DT, some Dominicans encourage and welcome other Dominicans with hateful ideologies and hardly ever, if at all, tell them to cool it.
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2010 8:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2010 8:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Que cada uno vaya a ese foro y juzgue por si mismo....
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2010 10:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
These people who claim to be Dominican-Haitian want the island to be one because it reflects them and their own convoluted existence but we cannot allow this to happen for the issue is not what happens to Haiti but what happens to DR and unless the great majority of these Haitians is deported we will not have a nation by the next century,our land will be destroyed and our culture will not exist,overtaken by the most savage "culture" in the hemisphere!
So we should not wait to cry like women for what we did not defend as men ,rather we should confront our authorities and force them to respect our laws ,to protect our sovereignty and to humanely repatriate all illegal Haitians from DR.We can then establish how many Haitians or other foreigners are needed and allow them to enter legally but never in masses we have now .
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2010 10:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Funny thing is that unlike here were we have Haitian invaders and instigators there are only a couple of Dominicans and those are actually trying to find peace!
The point is not how many threads are about DR but rather that in those posts that mention DR the response is almost completely negative and the great majority feel that DR is THEIRS!!
Now that is the most critical point because it is bad enough to be flooded by illegals but much worse to be flooded by illegals from a traditional enemy who feels that our land belongs to them,to allow these people to become a sizeable minority or God forbid a majority would erase the existence of DR from the planet and the blood of our Patriots who died just so we can have our own little corner on this planet will be in vain!
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2010 11:50 AM
From: United States, NYC
Pepe32,
You state a very valid point. Many people, perhaps because they are too lazy or just plain ignorant about history, do not understand that the issue is fundamentally one of massive numbers into a slightly better off nation. The DR has a small degree of chance to pull itself up from that dreadful list of failed states and become one where its people can feel proud and contribute to its future. And while I've stated on a number of occasion that documented Haitian laborers, if needed, should play a role in our development, the key is documentation! And this documentation Starts with the Haitian State givings its people birth certificates! I understand very well why people would want to leave a failed State for one with a better chance of future benefits. And if the numbers of migrants are low, people can be absorbed by the better-off state; however, the numbers in this situation are not low and from what I've read the numbers border on historical numbers.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2010 12:00 PM
From: United States, NYC
Speaking plainly, this situation can only lead to more violence and misunderstanding. Sadly, the administration of President Fernandez has not acted in a forceful and more importantly, an organized and efficient manner with this problem. He should answer for this lack of leadership. And it's not like he should state that all Haitians leave the DR. Anyone who believes such nonsense doesn't understand border state history; what he should state is that the border will be sealed except for several points of exchanges, and henceforth all persons in DR will need to show documentation of valid residence. If a person cannot show this valid document, they will be sent to a border facility for processing-if the person is Haitian. If the person is, let's say from Korea, then arrangements with that country should be made. Of course, this would mean actually doing something organized and efficient. And this arrangement would not impede labor for legitimate business concerns. These just
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2010 12:06 PM
From: United States, NYC
have to be made legal, with laborers having to carry valid documentation. Now, if the NGOs and the Jesuits got on board and started to facilitate matters in Haiti the process could work out for everybody. Haitians would have a legal means of employment in the DR; the DR would have willing workers for the construction and agricultural sectors; the flow would be managed so as to not overwhelm different communities in the DR; and the national governments could bask in the light of competence in good government. Why don't I think this possible?
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
"Este maricon se cree que puede desviar el odio de sus paisanos tan facil."
So then Pepe Le Pew,
You would not mind proving me wrong with the count I have suggested then... Lunacy is when the evidence is not there to be proven.
HERE IS THE BLOG'S LINK:
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/BlogsSo have some balls (lol)! Take the "count" challenge!!!
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Do you or have you guys noticed Pepe Le Pew only has this one
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=546&PID=1857 blog to refer you to as the one negative blog on EVH? Now, go to DT's forum and read how many posts have been erected in the honor of bashing Haiti and Haitians. I care about DR just as I do Haiti... I am of both worlds. My message has always and consistently been about greater relations between the two nations while both can still remain independently sovereign nations.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Written by: sonosis, 20 Jan 2010 4:15 PM
From: United States
It's really very funny reading all of the above comments. As a gringo married to a Dominican, I have come to appreciate the beauty, food, culture etc of D.R.. But as an American, I find all the squabbling back and forth betwen tow third world people humorous. Both D.R. and Haiti are teeming, chaotic brash and captivating countries, sharing a very small spot on the globe. So there's a language difference, so there's a color difference? What does it matter in the long run?
Both peoples will continue to fight about who has the better system or culture or color or language when the rest of the world could care less so long as there are resorts that they can go to , in order to get away from their won small lives. And these resorts are seen as a type of oasis in the midst of chaos. Get your acts together, work together and make things better for the island, not D.R. or Haiti - the island. or it will be too late, Europeans and Americans will own it all.
From: United States
Sonosis-This is no joke or laughing matter. Your post above, to put it politely, indicates your total lack of knowledge and thus ZERO insight into the Dominican/Haitian conflict. This is not about a squabble or racial issue as you seem to state or imply. It is rather about the survival of our culture and identity. Without going into much detail, I am not here to give you a history lesson, I can only say that Haiti has traditionally been an agressor nation and numerous times invaded us militarily and in the process attempted to crush our people and eliminate our country and nation. Similar to how Hitler wanted to destroy the Jewish identity, they massacred thousands of innocent Dominican women and children. One of the many inhumane tactics used by Haitians was to toss infants up in the air and just before hitting the ground, another would use a bayonet to catch them. They used the long-bladed rifle, ramming the child as if it were meat on skewer for the grill Get informed before u post
From: United States
(conti) However and nevertheless, regardless of what happened politically in the past, one thing I do agree, that yes we must work together, it is a matter of survival, but we have to remain separate.
In spite of it, on a human and spiritual level, we are all God's children and need to be sensitive to human pain and suffering. Hopefully, the recent tragic event will help "smooth things over" or "pour oil onto troubled waters" and settle our differences in a civil manner. It has been manifested already, the inmense support given by the Dom Rep and the helping hand to the Haitian people, proves that we DO forgive, but must never forget.
Carlos,
After carefully reading your comment, I can rationalize your salutation and allegations of my non-existent Haitian roots.
Yes, Dominicans would rather play dominoes in the barrio all day than take on a construction job that pays less than what they desire or feel entitled to. Well, let's see, Dominicans are already unable to afford decent housing so, if we paid Dominicans what they feel entitled to, then how do you think anybody would be able to afford housing?
Your reading comprehension may be lacking. I went back and checked and re-checked my statement above which instigated your ire, and nothing that I said suggested that I am Haitian. I was just alluding to problem root cause. Period.
Look, we could sit here and argue all day about it, but in the end, we would both likely wind up Dominican-at least I would be. We could brag about our lineage, and I am sure I would not lose, strictly based on family name and wealth. Let's stop the nonsense.
MJEV.
The rich don't want to observe laws. So they don't. Laws are for poor people
The rich want to keep the poor ignorant. So they are. There is no money for education.
The rich want to keep our Police working for them. So they make sure that they are underpaid and dependent on handouts, or worse, crime.
The rich want to keep a never ending flow of poor non legal workers here. So the flow never slows down. Most of these people are so happy to have an income, any income, that they will work harder than any "entitled" citizen, and at jobs that a Dominican believes is below his status. The fact is that two of our most important economic sectors (Agriculture and Construction) would not exist if it weren't for these illegals.
Juan,
Be very careful, lest you wnat to be labeled Haitian. Your last sentence above could be rather incriminating.
MJEV.
this perennial problem.
Jesuit Refugee Service USA
1016 16th Street NW, Suite 500
Washington, DC 20036
USA
jrsusadirector@jesuit.org
I said before that these people are like termites, they destroy everything in their path,
they already destroyed their side of the island, and they will do the same to our country.
http://www.quisqueya.name/Historia.html#anchor_191
We have to send a message to every political candidate in regard to this issue
they should know that we want this invasion to stop.
Here is a link to a very intereting site, read i and pass it along to families and friends, see
what the haitian have been about toward us through out hundreds of years.
http://www.elnacional.com.do/naci....alquier-via-para-regresar-a-la-RD
To Juanb & Glaxo, who the hell do you think was doing the farm and construction jobs before the Haitians invaded? What you are talking about is job displacement against Dominican worker. Haitians have depressed the job market and displaced the DR worker to the extent that their is no incentive for poor Dominicans to seek lawful employment. However, it is the campesinos and poverty stricken Dominicans the ones who have suffered the greatest of consequences due to a massive influx of illegal Haitians. Don't you get it? Haitians have practically forced native Dominicans to abandone their homes and farm lands to seek refuge in large cities or resort to illegal migration themselves, risking lives crossing the mona passage in rickety, makeshift boats known as "yolas" in an attempt to reach the US shores.
For as long as I can remember, Haitians were doing farm work in DR. They harvested my family's sugar cane crop and other's.
Yes, it is true many Dominicans were also laborers and that was appropriate occupation given their skills set.
Is it possible that Dominicans have set their sights much too high and incommensurate with present dire world economic situation? Perhaps they should re-consider decision to abandon western frontier and migrate to the slums of Santo Domingo, where we lost family land to these squatters. They would serve both their and country's purpose well by returning to agrarian life. They will better their lives, reclaim their land and national sovereignty.
They left after the glitter of the big city and those darn Jipettas and all the vice a big city offers, when the rural life they abandoned was more wholesome and better. Now they waste their lives away in the slums playing dominoes, while migrant Haitians are bettering their lot. Sad.
MJE
Velocidad,
Thank you for your support and obvious humanity.
Haitians are not somehow children of lesser God, they are just experiencing some difficulties that I would hope some day they will overcome and become a prosperous nation. As a christian, I wish them well.
It is rather ironic that a nation known for dubious titled of having largest number of legal and illegal immigrants to the US also has such inhumane views of Haitians doing same in the land they've chosen to abandon.
You know, my mother told me a moving story: that my cousin, who resides at a most expensive compound in Arrroyo Hondo, invited his Haitian "sereno" and family to the main house for Christmas dinner, to share the experience and gifts. BTW, we treat our help very well and with utmost dignity and respect-always!
I can trace my family through 400 years of European history, and am sure that if I could go back further I would find that some of them were in same situation as Haitians in DR today.
And I can't wait till the gringos jettison your lazy arses from their payroll, a**hole.
Im pretty sure that for the right price everybody would work, but the rich people are taking advantage of the situation, and the working class is paying the price, because these haitian people would work for a plate of food, and that is not fair to the working dominican class, if there was not haitians around they will be forced to pay what is right to a dominican.
This is a conspiracy between the rich and the government that allow such abuse, not to haitian, but to the dominican working class.
and to all the haitian and so called " dominicans " in here F*** you!!!! a billion times infinity.
I am a Dominican with half the family hailing from Hatillo, Mayaguez, Rio Piedras and Rio Grande, PR. We have some of the most interesting discussions when we get together at Christmas time.
PR is no gem. I would grant you fact that you have some of the most beautiful women anywhere, particularly those from Hatillo-oh how I love them! In my own family, we've come to agree that they might just be most beautiful on earth!
Women aside, men are lazy an unambitious and prone to life of crime. We opened a construction business there two years ago and had to close it because we couldn't deliver on promised dates because of outward laziness on the workers.
I can't believe how many gay men there are in PR-must be something in the water! Nothing against sexual persuasion and this is just an observation. This makes Dominican men very popular in PR.
I don't believe you are PRican and consider you a fraud. Please go back to cave whence you came from.
MJEV.
PR,
You are still a fraud and, assuming you are indeed from San Juan, I respect you even less.
Fact is you are probably from La Perla or LLorenz Torres or some other caserio.
The content, quality of your writing doesn't speak of an educated individual; your attitude and gang-like mentality doesn't help you much, either.
Look, I attended Consuelo Escalona and Liceo Interamericano Castro schools [private!!] In PR, and my neighbor was a giant and great person: Roberto Clemente. What a truly great man he was. I still remember him picking me up and telling me that baseball was good but I must concentrate on school first. I remember gentle and proud Vera and Robertito-what a truly great family and human beings! Too bad you could never measure up to them.
PR, I still consider you a fraud, an instigator and malicious fraud! You are far from representing the island people that I know and am related to. You have no purpose.
Please execute a Houdini feat.
MJEV.
In January after festivities are over, they return to their jobs in DR, with some cash in their pockets in case they are caught by the occasional guardia, who must be "greased".
This de facto situation is largely the fault of the Dominican authorities, that do not bother to enforce the border immigration, customs and security stops that most countries in the world have in place, to protect their nationals against foes, contraband and illegal enterprises.
Let's not get mad at the status quo but do something to change it. If you will like more border vigilance, better illegal immigrant controls, then write to your representative and demand it.
Good fences make good neighbors.
Thank you LF, you and the rich have made a parade out of the working DOMINICAN class.
I thought cousin Hipolito was bad.
This is a conspiracy against US Mr. LF, history should judge you harshly.
Carry on folks.
Just as an aside as a American/Dominican since I have two passports I fail to understand why any people will caste another people in a poor light. The name calling while amusing is just childish silly stuff since the only reason for it is you are from different places. Heck it is impossible to tell the difference between a Puerto Rican and a Dominican and if you are decentants from slaves you had no choices so what is the difference?
Keep the material flying and I am taking notes. Name of the Novela is going to be Dominicana Today:)
I could see that you gladly take the words of anybody that is not a racist or an extreme radical, that is anybody that agrees that the Haitian invasion is a necessity for DR, therefore, nobody should be complaining, on the contrary, accept them, fight to make them all legal or even better, open wide the borders, so they all can come and help DR, taking the jobs that the lazy Dominicans refuse to take?
Wao what can i say i just found my ideal website to collect and analyze useful information. Some of you guys are on the ball. Where have you guys been hiding. Dominicans that actually talk about something worth while. (( By the way i am Dominican))LOL
LaBach,
Welcome to the forum.
I'd be cautious with content of your last paragraph above, relative DT contributors. You really haven't been exposed to commentaries from far-edge contributors...they can be both puzzling and entertaining and outright bizzare.
Again, welcome!
That everything hatian site is just bs to me, is like saying the USA does not belong to its inhabitant now a day, or like every other country in the Americas, it is just pure haitian propaganda my friend, beside, Spanish people came here first than the french and the afro-lambones.
...so go tell it to somebody that does not know anything.
FUERA LOS TERMITES PEOPLE.
Now he posts a link to the one post in EVH that is positive about DR and us and it was opened by our one and only delusional maniac afrolatino.
Here is a link to a truly representative thread ,chek this one and others out and you will see either hatred for us or even among most of the "peaceful" ones that they all believe that the island is theirs!
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=546&PID=1857
Their is only one Haitian on that forum that does not agree with that position ,either than that there is Belly,AfroLatino and whatyoucando from DT but the near unanimous consensous is that this is their land!
Tenemos votaciones para cada tema ,en vez de contestarle todos sus disparates muéstrenle que su Haitianismo no es grato y al poco tiempo se cansará.
Nosotros somos la mayoría absoluta y por mucho que cacareen pende.jos como este no podemos desviar nuestra atención ni darle fuerza para seguir.
Thanks for that site, it really opened my eyes wider to the fact that this people hate us with a passion, but you know what, that should make us stronger. We should really do something because the way things are going in a near future we gonna have trouble with these people, they still think the whole island is their, when they actually took it by force.
Velocidad no es más que otro antifaz del tres veces expulsado AfroLatino y TanBellaMami, un panegirista de la supremacía Haitiana y troll consumado.
This article is for the consumption of those with their bellies full of sancocho y chicharron living in the cities of United States who can afford this exercice in futility.
Have we not we heard this cry before : The Haitians are Coming. The Haitians are taking over the whole island ?
Wait for the next election. The issue is going to be solely about Haitians invasion.
The regular Dominicans will tell the politicians ,the hypocrites the demaguogues, the vain patriots what they have always told them : Shut the f ---up about Haitians invasion and tell us how you are going to improve our lives.
Love me !Love not !
Need you ! need you not !
Stay ! Go home
Come back ! No go away !
With so many mixed signals the regular Dominican understand the game.
See you next January 2011.
You will postiing same useles mierdas.
Despierta y huele el cafe !
Despierta de tu letagia y trata de comprender la realitad y la complexidad de la situacion Haitiana Dominicana
I read the post on EVH and if any of you can or have actually read it comprehensively you will see that he is asking us valid questions. He is asking for us both people on the island to stop this hatred madness we are clinging onto to keep us divided at mind when we should strive for coexistence in cohabiting the island peacefully. Here is the link again folks, I suggest you all take time to carefully read it: http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1943 The very title said: ENOUGH WITH THE HATE & RESENTMENTS! "We Are Not Each Others' Enemies." The main hypothetical question he asked was: "Let us say that the island does not belong to the Haitians, can we the Dominicans say that it surely really does to us also?" He also said that "The Dominican Republic is as much the fruit of former imperial Europeans as the Haitian Republic is. Thus, both Dominicans and Haitians are results of past conquerors and colonizers who have been on the island."
We are so adamant and fixated on our hatred that is preventing us from doing the basic natural thing which is to rationalize our ideologies respectfully... Logical objectivity before emotional subjectivity folks! That is what good debates are all about! People here are so quick to dismiss other opinions expressed on here that we have resulted in totalitarian, dictatorship authoritarian-like mentalities instead of constructively debating each other with civility. My question is, what is the point for comments if people are ready to delete them simply because the views commented are not in sync with theirs? Does this not defeat the purpose of "comments allowance" to begin with? If your comments were all you wanted to see on any respective articles or forums, then you are as good as having a debate with your own self as a person. Think about it, we are all posting our views because we know others will read them, might wish to debate them and at times agree or/and disagree...
For those still who are wondering about who I am. It has been said on here several times that Afro and I are an item. What is deviations? This should no longer even be a topic, issue or an argument that he uses my account to post and if people on here were not such whiners they would engage him constructively instead of their illogical mob lynchings and immature senseless vote downs out of spite and hateful means to simply see his posts get deleted. It is absurd that people still trying to press on trying to find out who posters are when it is the comments, remarks, statements we are here to debate, voice opinions upon not directly the person personally... As one poster posted above, we have got to really know what we want... "We Cannot Have The Cake And Eat, Too" even though I know some of you will find an argument in even that statement, but that is what it is all about is it not, debating, analyzing and dissecting different views.
Thus as seen here on the upper right corner of the post, most of you cannot presume to have high moral grounds over the next poster if this is how most of you find to be a productive way to have proper arguments, debates and discussions on something posted on a forum... Why post comments, posts or remarks at all if all one wanted was to only see responses of others who think only just like him or herself on it? Then one might have as well not turned on their computer screen and hop on a blogs' sphere oriented forum. One does not just throw a rock and hide their hands... this kind of behavior is "Cowardice" and shows exactly how redundant one has made him/herself to be.
Allow me to be or play the devil's advocate here... To say that Haitians are the ones cursing and wishing Dominicans ill is denying the fact that people on here have always used derogatory words to describe next door neighbor Haiti or Haitians and expect them to not find insults in them, but yet those same people go cry wolves and rivers the minute when the medicine is shoved right back down their very own throats.
Prime example, here is a post http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1943 that most of you on here have tarnished due to lack of comprehensive reading skills of basic objective evaluative standardization of it even when the very title of it says...
ENOUGH WITH THE HATE & RESENTMENTS!
"We Are Not Each Others' Enemies."
It is not like most people on here have had the understanding to engage others constructively in debates without wanting to have their ideals reign over others' opinions the minute other views are not in sync with theirs. Instead most of you rely on debasing, degrading and demeaning tactics to include immature conspiring "voting downs" of opinions of those you have created own personal vendetta against or toward... Meanwhile wishing to have only their own views posted on here defeating the purpose why a forum is a forum on a blog sphere to begin with.
who was behind the murder of the haitian hero, jean jacques dessalines, haiti only been independent for 2 years. 1804 to 1806. eversince the murder of dessalines haiti is no longer an independent. the dominican republic BELONG to haiti, la nasalle island also, we lost everything after the death of this legend. haiti is no longer belong to haitians , haiti belong to international community, they have their own occupation over there( ministah) and preval in the haitian parlement in their packet.
Ademas que lo que usa como ejemplo fue algo que el mismo puso!!
"I hate DR rats,snake,lice, ticks, whores, sluts , animals,fleas, bed bug so much; that if I had about 100 million rounds of ballets, I would kill them all myself. DR is the human race that should have never been born, I hate thier guts , they make me sick. I hate the fact those dogs, rats, snake, lice, tricks, whore, sluts, fleas, whores, sluts, and roaches mask up like they care about Haiti only to insult the Haitian people. I can't wait until we start to kill those DR, which would be correcting an error that need to corrected by killing them . if you ask me, we Need to start killing them now, if you ask me."
Somebody obviously neglected to take his anxiety pills today. Careful analysis of his writing above clearly suggest that this individual is not well and has suffered deep mental wounds. Perhaps some well-trained individual in forum could offer him some assistance.
Meanwhile, I will continue to increase my stock of ammo and guns. Last count I had 1500 rounds of SW 40 cal. rounds, not counting the box of "Black Talon", or the brick of 22 magnum. I also have seven hand guns and numerous knives, so I'll be ready and waiting, just in case this individual chooses the wrong Dominican.
BTW, I shoot strictly at large body mass, focusing around heart area, and am quite a good shot. Also, I am a mild-mannered Dominican, and am sure there are some here with borderline personalities, and who are much better shot than I am and would gladly oblige you and put you out of your misery.
Please be careful with your overt aggression against us.
MJEV.
Make a comment around me like that you will be getting clocked immediately, no questions asked!!. LOL
GLOMAEXPLORER what are you getting ready for with all that hardware?lol
How about you post the replies of the Haitians who stood up against that poster (Nnbpts08) telling her that she was wrong for using such harsh language of hatred? It was that one girl who posted a messed up thread. Anyways, how about you post their good posts on here as well? Of course you won't because you know what's your agenda is aiming for... you know you rely on this back and forth hatred to stay in business yourself as a extremist radical. You and that Haitian girl from EVH have so much in common and are no different from each other. You both like to use hatred as tool to further your causes and agendas and plague others with your divisiveness garbage.
LBa,
Other Haitians on EVH have told her she was wrong for her hatred comments. How many times has any other Dominicans actually stood up against another Dominican for their vulgar derogatory comments like some Haitians did against that girl who used such foul language huh? Exactly, not too often, if ever... So many on here do not have the higher moral ground since they too have engaged in the very same debasing rhetoric.
You cannot say that Dominicans do not stand up to other Dominicans when they are wrong. Absolutely not! What is wrong is wrong. Sometimes a group of people get together and vent, and you do not see corrections being made to their comments. But i am sure when the storm blows over cohesion comes back to the table and the much needed corrections are then made.
Oh come on my LBa,
Hardly ever do other sane Dominicans correct the extremist radical ones... Anyways, there is never any reasoning with some Dominicans on here who stand with their minds made up to tarnish any good bilateral junctures between DR & Haiti. Here is a post on EVH http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1955 Let me know what you think... Some actually live off the negativity to always have a reason to vilify and demonize Haitians and what is worse, they do not like being called out on it. Some other Dominicans fear that if they even take an apathetic-sympathetic stance that may seem favorable to Haiti that other Dominicans will alienate them on here...
Even you get massacred over there ,forget whatcanyoudo ,the worst thing is that through that tirade most Haitians reiterated the claim on DR .
Now you can try and BS all you want but all they have to do is go on EVH and see for themselves like msjersey did .
You obviousely need to get a job because posting under so many pseudonyms in multiple forums seems to keep you busy all the time.
We never invaded or occupied Haiti!
We don't claim Haiti as ours !
We are the ones receiving the Haitian love with their compatriots overloading our system and they have the nerve to complain about us!
This guy and his many faces is a hypocrite because if you follow the Haitian forum you notice that they are almost unanimous in their claim for DR and one even states matter of fact what we already know ...it is happening and they are taking our land little by little without firing a shot!
If you want peace please remain completely quiet if we exercise our right to deport each and every ILLEGAL Haitian in DR.
Once Haitians are not massively in DR then we can talk about "friendship" and working together meanwhile it is a passive invasion supported of course by the powerful interests foreign and domestic that already screw my people!
But no matter what the reason for the immigration ,the indisputable reality is that is is bad for the general Dominican population and is a demographic threat to the existence of DR.
The worst thing about Haitians (if you see in the EVH forum) is that as I have stated a million times ,they are in denial!!,they have their heads in their arses living in a fantasy world and people who do not recognize their faults are condemned to continue repeating them!
Here is a post http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1955 from EVH.
This guy Pepe32 is a fool!
If any of you go on EVH, you will see there are hardly ever any posts about DR & HAITI much, not too often anyways... Hell, Haitians on there sadly ever even talk about Haitian affairs, leave alone DR's affairs nor the conflicts between the two nations.
I mean, anyone can go on there themselves and do a tally of all the posts ever posed on EVH http://www.everythinghaitian.com and tell me by their counts how often threads about Haitians bashing DR showed up and if there is, how many then compare with the amount of threads, remarks posted on here on DT about Haitians.
Now that is the challenge both Haitians and Dominicans should not be afraid of... here is the link http://www.everythinghaitian.com/Blogs/ to the blog section on EVH to do the count if we constructively want to show whom has more animosity toward who fairly and square... There are actually about a total of 53 pages worth of blogs on EVH. Som let the count begins and please I ask for both sides Haitians and Dominicans to post the link for each hateful posts they find on DT or EVH.
Thus, here is the reality.
Are there some extremist radical Haitians on EVH who may be just as messed up in the head as there are extremist radical Dominicans on here on DT? Yes, indeed there are.
However quite often you will find other Haitians telling those other Haitians with hateful ideologies to cool it and all... but on here on DT, some Dominicans encourage and welcome other Dominicans with hateful ideologies and hardly ever, if at all, tell them to cool it.
http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=546&PID=1857
So we should not wait to cry like women for what we did not defend as men ,rather we should confront our authorities and force them to respect our laws ,to protect our sovereignty and to humanely repatriate all illegal Haitians from DR.We can then establish how many Haitians or other foreigners are needed and allow them to enter legally but never in masses we have now .
The point is not how many threads are about DR but rather that in those posts that mention DR the response is almost completely negative and the great majority feel that DR is THEIRS!!
Now that is the most critical point because it is bad enough to be flooded by illegals but much worse to be flooded by illegals from a traditional enemy who feels that our land belongs to them,to allow these people to become a sizeable minority or God forbid a majority would erase the existence of DR from the planet and the blood of our Patriots who died just so we can have our own little corner on this planet will be in vain!
You state a very valid point. Many people, perhaps because they are too lazy or just plain ignorant about history, do not understand that the issue is fundamentally one of massive numbers into a slightly better off nation. The DR has a small degree of chance to pull itself up from that dreadful list of failed states and become one where its people can feel proud and contribute to its future. And while I've stated on a number of occasion that documented Haitian laborers, if needed, should play a role in our development, the key is documentation! And this documentation Starts with the Haitian State givings its people birth certificates! I understand very well why people would want to leave a failed State for one with a better chance of future benefits. And if the numbers of migrants are low, people can be absorbed by the better-off state; however, the numbers in this situation are not low and from what I've read the numbers border on historical numbers.
"Este maricon se cree que puede desviar el odio de sus paisanos tan facil."
So then Pepe Le Pew,
You would not mind proving me wrong with the count I have suggested then... Lunacy is when the evidence is not there to be proven.
HERE IS THE BLOG'S LINK: http://www.everythinghaitian.com/Blogs
So have some balls (lol)! Take the "count" challenge!!!
Do you or have you guys noticed Pepe Le Pew only has this one http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=546&PID=1857 blog to refer you to as the one negative blog on EVH? Now, go to DT's forum and read how many posts have been erected in the honor of bashing Haiti and Haitians. I care about DR just as I do Haiti... I am of both worlds. My message has always and consistently been about greater relations between the two nations while both can still remain independently sovereign nations.
Here is a good ground for a proper discussion: http://www.everythinghaitian.com/....gDetail.aspx?BID=183&PID=1838
Both peoples will continue to fight about who has the better system or culture or color or language when the rest of the world could care less so long as there are resorts that they can go to , in order to get away from their won small lives. And these resorts are seen as a type of oasis in the midst of chaos. Get your acts together, work together and make things better for the island, not D.R. or Haiti - the island. or it will be too late, Europeans and Americans will own it all.
In spite of it, on a human and spiritual level, we are all God's children and need to be sensitive to human pain and suffering. Hopefully, the recent tragic event will help "smooth things over" or "pour oil onto troubled waters" and settle our differences in a civil manner. It has been manifested already, the inmense support given by the Dom Rep and the helping hand to the Haitian people, proves that we DO forgive, but must never forget.