Santiago, Chile.- Dominican Republic will reduce its poverty index 3.2 points from 44.3% to 41.1%, this year, says a report by the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (Cepal), published yesterday in Chile.
Cepal affirms that Latin America’s vigorous economic recovery this year will prompt a fall in poverty in most of the region’s countries in 2010.
Latin America’s social panorama for 2010, presented in Santiago by Cepal Executive secretary Alicia Bárcena, projects that poverty and extreme poverty will decline 1.0 and 0.4 percentage points compared with 2009, when the global financial crisis inflicted its sharpest impact on the region.
It’s expected that 32.1% of Latin America’s inhabitants will remain in a situation of poverty and 12.9% in extreme poverty in 2010, or 180 million poor, of which 72 million would be in a situation of extreme poverty, returning to similar levels posted in 2008.
Cepal’s report highlights that despite the crisis’ strong repercussions in the region, poverty rose only one tenth of a percentage point (from 33.0% to 33.1%) in 2009.
Bárcena said the figures spark optimism that the region is again on the path to reduce poverty, a tendency which began in 2003.
“The countries of the region reveal a resilience in the social variables which hadn’t been registered in preceding crises.”
Written by: matador, 1 Dec 2010 8:58 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
LF you can do beeter than that.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
Three delightful positive news stories in a row to start the day.
By the way, Jim Harrington and Danny00 could very well end up on suicide watch.LOL.
Written by: TheTruth, 1 Dec 2010 9:12 AM
From: United States, Boston
What it should say is they went from Destituite ( extreme poverty) to regular poverty, which is a big jump from absolute nothingness to be able to eat once a day and drink clean water which is the real jump.
,
Written by: planner, 1 Dec 2010 10:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
I always take these stories with a HUGE grain of salt. Based on what criteria do they draw these conclusions? Define poverty HERE. Define extreme poverty HERE.
From: United States
thanks for your input, planner. this is just another of those idiotic , feel good press releases, with no basis in reality. anyone can throw out some silly statistic , and have it say anything they wish to disseminate. the reality is that there are more people struggling today than 4 years ago. just ask anyone if they feel better off now than same time last year. when you do the survey, exclude politicos and their relatives, friends and concubines. just the regular guy in the street.
From: United States, FEEL THE RUSH...RIDE YOUR MTB!
Hey... what can you say, thats what "Drug Money" & Mangamo music can do for the barrios.
Written by: okian, 1 Dec 2010 11:14 AM
From: United States
Yeah right...........a government that lines their pockets with money from the poor will take credit for it all.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I tend to agree with dreadlocks and planner on this one ..and although I applaud the huge improvements in the infrastructure around the country , I really think the country now needs to concentrate more resources on social programmes such as providing good education , clean water , health care and by looking after the poor , To have good roads and bridges but more than 40% of the people living in poverty is, in my opinion , close to evil.
Written by: danny00, 1 Dec 2010 11:38 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
so u believe every thing they tell u?
also not yet with the suicide thing.
maybe alot of folks do not care for what i have to say on this site.
many times the words and thoughts i choose are to try and shake up others on this site.
why paint a bright picture when so much is very wrong in the dr?
wake up and dont let the government guys keep on stealing from u.
Written by: danny00, 1 Dec 2010 11:41 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
come on wheres the luz? wheres the good drinking water? wheres the real police men? wheres the education #1 problem for the dr.?and the list goes on and on.
be nice if some of the above came real and people can start to take their bars off their window's and live in peace.
Written by: matador, 1 Dec 2010 11:55 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
I agree wit you Danny00, And Many of the people here that rank Negative when they can't stand the true are bunch of morrons.
From: Dominican Republic
Perhaps they died from lack of the things that keep people alive. The weak are the first to die off.
Written by: brootto, 1 Dec 2010 1:20 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
Look I agree with Matador and Danny, I just came from dr, dont get me wrong it is a beuatiful place but the fact is that there is a lot of poverty and plenty of corruption and safety is non existence. I was there for 10 day after the fifth day i wanted to came back, can go out at night unless you have a few individuals with you and you got to becareful with then too they my sold you out even if they are your family etc. so thing is not that great when your own people would like to jack you up, so is is not about been negative it is the way of life in dr and the people on top that make that beuatiful island seem like hell.
Written by: brootto, 1 Dec 2010 2:02 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
hey beck is not that I have shitty family is the fact that everyone do have distance family members and believe me some my hate on you just because you travel and dont tell me all your family members are rich or are angels i dont think so. That what I am refering to and it does not have to be a family member it could be a friend. I see it happen my friend.
From: United States
The best way to help the economy is to increase the income for the poor.
From: United States
things are better there! why? i didnt see any children,kids asking for money when i was there on vacation! i have to give credit to dr goverment for their seguro familiar...dr government is given families from 500 to 1000 pesos every month if you have a child...thats a fact, i saw that when i was there! besides, el desayuno escolar its not the greatest but it helps too.
Written by: Perez, 1 Dec 2010 4:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is hogwash. There are less poor because they either got killed by local authorities or died of hunger.
Written by: Pepe32, 1 Dec 2010 8:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I am not a big fan of this government for many reasons but to answer several posters here that say they are just posting the truth,the problem is that while this and many reports err on the side of positivism you all (you know who you are) NEVER have anything positive to say about my country and given the fact that you happen to be foreigners you traverse the line between objective ,positive criticism and anti-Dominicanism.
From: United States
there goes Pepe, bawling again, about those hateful posters, who have nothing good to say about the DR. those pesky foreigners, he whines. well, little Pepecito, the preponderant number of complaints are from Dominicans living abroad, who have come for vacation, and are mortified by some of what they see. it is normal for people living abroad, who have been exposed to modern modalities, to see the deficiencies in their countries, and lament the failures. so, once again, i implore you to grow a pair of nuts, and to stop being so adolescent and thin skinned. i can point you to several posters on this very site , who have told me by pm that they would never invest a dollar here, and cautioned me to follow suit. then again, i will not, since such correspondence is confidential.
Written by: ings0389, 2 Dec 2010 1:42 PM
From: United States
is this even true? I feel like my family is getting poorer and poorer as the years go by! The D.R is a rich nation, come on, look at all those cars... the wealth is poorly distributed though... Come on, let's stop living on appearances and get some work done!
Written by: Atabey, 2 Dec 2010 5:14 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
As you should well know this issue is far more complex for it involves a large and growing flow of migrants from Haiti's poorest sectors into DR. Early this year a certain Frenchman made the observation that for DR to uplift her poorer members into the middle class level a radical shift away from using the wage cutting pressures of Haiti's poor had to be addressed. His suggestion was to cut the flow or DR's poorest citizens would find it very difficult if impossible to gain ascendancy.
Another issue involves the transfers made by working Dominican in the US, Europe and other parts of the world. These huge flows 2-3 billion dollars per year support many Dominican families, and one could actually make the case that it functions like a Social Security/Welfare Department. Only it's funded by the private sector individual and families overwhelmingly Dominicans! Private Social Security and Welfare all rapped in one!! Who said Dominicans don't take care of their own. :)
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Dec 2010 8:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Typical response from Rasta man...
I am very critical of many things that are wrong with my country but when someone ONLY has negative things to say about the country and they spend their time in a Dominican forum one can only conclude that these people are anti-Dominican.
When I see a balance between the criticism and the praise for some small progress areas the I will understand that a person is truly being critical in a positive manner but these people use the worst terms to define our country yet want us to use kid gloves on the Haitians who contribute to more backwardness than we already have.
Written by: Teacher2, 2 Dec 2010 11:29 PM
From: United States
Pepe32, I want to tell you that I am a foreigner who has read this site for several years and been much informed, enlightened, and amused over those years, by the comments as much as the articles. I teach adult education in New England and have a preponderance of Dominican students, as well as a large contingent fro Haiti. I read this site to keep up on the news in the area - first because I CARE about the lives, cultures and historial background of my students, and second, because I don't want all hell breaking loose in my classroom one day because regional 'tensions' are being played out in class. The more I know about how YOU feel, the better I feel empowered to understand the full range of dynamics.
Written by: Teacher2, 2 Dec 2010 11:30 PM
From: United States
con't
I would also like to tell you that although I am aware of the many problems of your beloved country, I also have experienced Dominican immigrants in the US as an incredibly intelligent, civilized, and generous culture. The nobility of spirit in times of trouble, the willingness to share and grow in a multicultural society, the traditional values of family and responsibility high - I have been impressed as to how growing up in a society rife with corruption has not tainted the desire to do things the right way in the US. Every group has it bad apples, but what I have seen of Dominicans over the years is not just rewarding, but inspiring. There is a fundamental decency that is laudable, and BEAUTIFUL..
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 10:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Teacher,my barbs are obviously not directed at people like you who see the bad and the good as any normal person does...instead I have a problem with posters who NEVER have anything positive to say about DR and when questioned say they are being realistic!
Even when criticising their are different nuances in the words chosen which can make a difference between POSITIVE and NEGATIVE criticism and the posters I am referring to NEVER have anything positive to say which indicates a clear bias and a hidden agenda.The fact is most of these posters are either Haitians or Afrocentrists who clearly have a fixation with my country and who provoke the majority of the more radical responses.
We are a small poor nation with many problems but we love our country above all and will not tolerate outsiders with bad intentions towards our country and though many cannot put these sentiments in clear terms you are seeing the full range of sentiments of Dominicans in this forum
From: United States
another fallacy from the moronic whiner, Pepe, who has a fixation on all things and people black
The fact is most of these posters are either Haitians or Afrocentrists who clearly have a fixation with my country and who provoke the majority of the more radical responses.
if you were not such a self loathing Dominican , it would have crossed your mind that the most unrelenting critics of the DR are not Haitians and afrocentrics, as you call them. many are Dominicans themselves, and most are foreigners who are dismayed at the conditions they saw here , before most of them packed up and went back home. but it makes you comfortable to believe that the detractors are dark skinned, because, in your mind, talking back to white people should not even be considered, since, in the human pecking order, they are better than you are, and should be treated with due deference. i feel so sad for you and your ilk.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
although the fact that the forum is in English brings in elements that would not be involved if this were in our Spanish language,both from the US influenced diaspora and the foreign elements I mentioned previously who are in their majority anti-Dominican due to a lack of understand and respect for the difference in perceptions of race in DR and how Dominicans define themselves which is in simple terms that Dominicans consider themselves multiracial while the detractors want all Dominicans to define themselves as Black according to the racist US Jim Crow laws .Some children of Dominicans raised in the US have also adapted this ideology but these have also lost their Dominican culture for a US ghetto culture so they are not truly representative of Dominican culture which is defined in Spanish and within Dominican Criollo culture.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What drives people like you to spend so much time in a foreign site?? People are here either because they are Dominican ,foreign people who love Dominican Republic with all its wrinkles or people who hate us and I think it is clear that people who are ALWAYS negative about something are not acting out of love.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready ,you think too much of yourself but you are truly brain dead!
Many people you call Dominican can barely speak Spanish and grew up in the same "cultural" element you defend making them only Dominican by name but not by culture for a Dominican may criticise at times be we will find some good to say and even defend our country but those of you who hate my country NEVER have anything positive to say about my country and conversely find grains of hope in Haiti's disastrous existence.The fact that you and the others are clearly biased is obvious to any objective observer so you can rant and rave and call me all your infantile names in your anglo centric condescending manner but the truth is obvious .
From: United States
Pepe, the issue is not that i think too much of myself. it is that i think very little of you. as has been evidenced over the past, you are an infantile racist and idiot, who is a loathsome coward. you believe that Dominicans who disagree with your viewpoint are traitors, as was seen in your forum rant against Tupapaupa. as is your custom, when he retaliated, you put your scruffy little tail between your legs and ran for the hills. you are great at berating up on Haitians, but have no stomach for real fights. i have put you in your place ,cowering in a corner, many a time and oft, and i am very well disposed to keep up the assault on your stupidity. grow up, and learn to be a man. it does not hurt nearly as much as you think it might.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
On another note you make assumptions about my person and put words into my mouth that I have not uttered which is cowardly and stupid ,especially since the most truly racist group in this forum is compose of Haitians and afrocentrists .
Show me ONE post of yours that is POSITIVE about my country and I might change my mind but all I have seen and see day to day is you jumping in with the likes of Harrington (probably another Caribbean boy) and others is to jump on the negative points of my country .
I can show many posts in which I criticise my country but my words are constructive criticism and I will also support any small steps taken to improve which is the case with Atabey and others who are Dominican and criticise but also defend.
I would like all those hypocrites on this forum who only find negatives about Dominican Republic to explain WHY they are in a Dominican site if they can never find at least one small positive to comment on ......
I think we all know!
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dread ,the feeling is mutual as regard your person for you a truly a coward who hides behind nuanced words to mask what is obvious. As far as tupapaupa he is not much better and perhaps worse because a traitor is worse than an enemy and in his desire to lick you rectum he comes in when he is not called .
Now as far as running ,I will not waste my time with your compadre who's biggest contribution to this forum is a drinking thread and who is not even worth responding to .I can respond to your ridiculous and hypocritical comments because they are at least formed into sentences while your compadres brain cells seem to have been wiped by alcohol.
As far as disagreements ,I disagree with Cibao on many points ,with Atabey on several issues and with others but they have demonstrated that they are first and foremost Dominicans with the interests of the country in mind but someone like papaupa who has a ghetto mentality will obviously be more culturally in tune with someone of your ilk.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Dec 2010 11:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Anyhow ,Dready I have to "cut and run" or as we call it in the real world I have work to do ...
From: United States
Pepe, sometimes i believe that holding any kind of discourse with you is a fool´s errand, simply because you are to much of an imbecile to dignify with a considered response. now stop whining and plaiyng the victim. you are quick to trash Haitians, but cannot take the heat from others. i remember some time back, you started to make this an inter country issue, launching an attack against Jamaica. i responded by telling you that i would join in your denunciations, provided they were true. i am an equal opportunity offender. i cuss at all who deserve it. this is a Dominican site, so it is not the proper place in which to criticise the USA, or England, or South Africa. i lash out against Jamaica in their sites. get the picture?didn´t think you would.
From: United States
i know that you have work to do. i can just hear your supervisor asking you why you have allowed so many shopping carts to pile up in the parking lot.
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 11:48 AM
From: United States, NYC
Now, now Dready you're getting silly again.
Constructive criticism Dready, that's the key. When we see it, we have NO reason to doubt that a certain pro-Dominicaness is at the heart of its speaker and writer; be they Dominican or not.
From: United States
Uncle Atabey observes
Now, now Dready you're getting silly again.
why, thank you. at least sometimes i am not, unlike you.
Written by: Pepe32, 5 Dec 2010 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready ,I see you cannot resist me which belies all the comments you make of me .One of your problems is that you do not read and respond with your gut which is why you don't understand that I criticise DR and so do others and if you and other people who are not exactly pro-Dominican were not here we would take out the dirty laundry amongst our own but first of all you are not Dominican and second of all your writings about DR are one way and that is NEGATIVE so I could care less if you also trash Jamaica because I have seen you defend Jamaica which is not something I can say about my country .
I know that my antagonism to the first "black " republic irks you ,but that will not change unless the majority of Haitians were to leave my country and we both know that that won' happen without some resistance and conflict.
I am still waiting for a positive post about anything relating to my country monsieur...
Written by: Pepe32, 5 Dec 2010 4:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
About the shopping carts lord Dready king of Jamaica ...I am only a poor soul pushing carts in a supermarket making minimum wage unlike you lord dready who are of the elite .....LOL
You must be part Haitian with your fantasies yet you have some sort of fixation on my person along with your Dominican girl papitaupa .
Again Dready ,nothing you say will remove the reality of you dislike for my country which is evident in this forum and none of your idiotic comments faze me because they simply aren't true and we both know it but if it makes you feel better go on ..you can even say that I am illiterate or whatever you wish but in the end you will still be anti-Dominican and I will still defend my country .
Written by: curios1, 5 Dec 2010 10:45 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
heres something posative i like the dr. i visit twice yearly . i like to think that things will always get better even though there are tough times and obsticals . im always looking up looking ahead and trying to overcome the test and trials in front of me. im always curios to how it will ply out
Written by: curios1, 5 Dec 2010 10:46 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
play out
From: United States
Pepe, it appears that you have worn out the set of pacifiers i sent you in summer. a new batch will be dispatched to you forthwith, complete with a case of huggies diapers, and Kleenex. happy trails, kiddo.
Written by: planner, 6 Dec 2010 11:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Gentlemen when dialogue and discussion becomes name calling and degenerates into this then you stop being helpful to the country and to others. Who wants to read this!!!!
From: United States
i agree with you, planner. however, as i said before, i do not start these things, but i am sure as heck disposed to finishing them. people who attack me without reason are on notice that i am no shrinking violet, and i will give as much as i get. it is my intention here to exchange ideas , and to learn from people. but, when some crackpot decides to savage me, he or she should be prepared for return fire.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Dec 2010 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready ,you somehow think your childish elementary school level attitude gives you victory but I certainly could care less about your opinion . I am in a Dominican site addressing Dominican issues as a Dominican citizen... What's your reason for being here?
Planner ,Dread is not Dominican nor does he have anything positive to say about DR ..if you read his posts they are all negative which means he does not care about DR yet he spends an inordinate amount of time for someone who is not Dominican or at least cares about DR.
Dready,I am still waiting for those POSITIVE posts about DR ,I have seen plenty in defence of Haiti and Haitians but you seem to have trouble producing one that actually shows you care about DR and if you don't care and spend so much time here then we all know what your underlying motives are!
From: United States
patience, Pepe. the mail does take time. your soothers have been mailed. when i give you my word, you can take it to the bank. by the latest tomorrow afternoon, you will be able to stop the bawling and self pity. it is very unbecoming. makes you look very unmanly.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Dec 2010 12:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dread ,you word is worth nothing...you at one point started babbling about how "serious" you were and how your word was GOLD yet you stated that you were leaving because your back was against the wall and at that time your Dominican girl was not around to defend you .....yet somehow you are still here because you have a fixation with my country that is obvious for all to see and it is also obvious to see that it is not love.
Good luck dready because no matter what you say I will be here because this is a site focused on MY country and I don't waste my time in Jamaican forums or Haitian forums simple because they do not matter to me .
I have to go now ,my boss is calling me to move some more shopping carts ....LOL!
From: United States
he is calling you to bring back the ones you took home, and reimburse the store for the ones you sold.
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Dec 2010 12:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
hahaha Dready ,I didn't know you had a silly side to you ...you come off as an elitist slightly anglophile afronazi with a very boring demeaner but I guess you do laugh sometimes!
Anyway dready let's see those LOVING posts about my country that speak in positives about anything regarding DR. I'm sorry I can't play but I truly have some productive things to do today but I thank you for putting a smile on my face this morning .
See you later...I know you will miss me very much!
Written by: curios1, 6 Dec 2010 7:50 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
so here we are what could we do to make things better?
From: United States
actually, Pepe, i do not have to write loving posts about the DR. there are over 180 countries in the world, and the fact that i chose to live in the DR should tell you something about love. i could live in places like Panama, which is more advanced, and less expensive...so, do the math.
Written by: curios1, 7 Dec 2010 7:40 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
mmmmmhhhhh!!
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Dec 2010 9:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready,I know plenty of people in the US who hate the US ..typically the leftist types who speak badly about a country yet they don't leave....you still don't get it you say you live in DR yet somehow you still don't know Spanish... Dude I can spoof IP's if I so desired but bottom line is if you are in DR and have NOTHING good to say about the country then something is amiss .
Written by: curios1, 7 Dec 2010 9:50 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
mmmmmmhhhhhhhh!!
From: United States
Pepe, for your information, i speak fluent spanish. i do not mean gringo spanish, which allows me to order a cerveza. i watch spanish tv, listen to spanish radio, and read spanish books, if i cannot get the english versions. so put aside your wild imagining that i do not speak spanish. when i went to high school, a second language, plus latin, was compulsory. so, forget your accusations that i do not speak spanish.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Dec 2010 8:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dready,and I am fluent in Swahili..... Dude you have to know some Spanish to survive but even many of the Dominicans on this forum are not fluent unless by fluent you mean being able to order food and being able to hold simple conversations .
Again ,this is cyberspace so you could say you are Colin Powell's son and there is no way to prove or disprove it just like your fantasies of me working moving shopping carts which you know is idiocy on your part but does not faze me one bit.
No matter what you say now ,you have proven to be 100% negative about my country and although you have managed to fool some of my compatriots I can see through your little farce.
From: United States
you are entitled to your opinion. whether you believe that i am fluent in spanish or not is not really a material issue. now go back to pilfering shopping carts. there is a white , late model Ford F150 in the parking lot, driven by a hirsute man from Buffalo, New York ,who is waiting for you to load the amount you were paid for in advance.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Dec 2010 11:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"when i give you my word, you can take it to the bank. by the latest tomorrow afternoon, you will be able to stop the bawling and self pity"
6 Dec 2010 11:57 AM
As usual your opinion of your worth is grossly overinflated and please don't include me in your fantasies of hairy men Dready ,I have told you I don't go that way batty man.
And if it makes your insecure ego feel better you can imagine me doing all types of menial work ...you have my permission .I can consider it a gift to an senile and useless person .
See you later Dready!
Written by: curios1, 10 Dec 2010 8:22 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
so what are we do to make a difference about the subject of the article?
From: United States
again, Pepe shows his lack of comprehension and his insecurity. nowhere is there any aspersion of you being a homosexual. however, your repeated references to homosexuality makes me wonder....to each his own
From: United States, Omnipresence
God I LOVE this website!
Written by: curios1, 17 Dec 2010 8:12 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
me too but i would like to see some costructive conversation .
Written by: Pepe32, 17 Dec 2010 9:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Curios ,to have constructive conversations we would need to have people who love or at least care about DR but we have many that clearly show their anti-Dominican bias at every turn and with people like that it is near impossible to have constructive dialogue because their purpose here is not to build but to destroy and to demean the DR.
Written by: curios1, 17 Dec 2010 10:07 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
pleased to meat you pepe32 i like the dr and i will not demean or destroy. im always interested in the dr and always try to focus on the good things.
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Three delightful positive news stories in a row to start the day.
By the way, Jim Harrington and Danny00 could very well end up on suicide watch.LOL.
,
also not yet with the suicide thing.
maybe alot of folks do not care for what i have to say on this site.
many times the words and thoughts i choose are to try and shake up others on this site.
why paint a bright picture when so much is very wrong in the dr?
wake up and dont let the government guys keep on stealing from u.
be nice if some of the above came real and people can start to take their bars off their window's and live in peace.
As you should well know this issue is far more complex for it involves a large and growing flow of migrants from Haiti's poorest sectors into DR. Early this year a certain Frenchman made the observation that for DR to uplift her poorer members into the middle class level a radical shift away from using the wage cutting pressures of Haiti's poor had to be addressed. His suggestion was to cut the flow or DR's poorest citizens would find it very difficult if impossible to gain ascendancy.
Another issue involves the transfers made by working Dominican in the US, Europe and other parts of the world. These huge flows 2-3 billion dollars per year support many Dominican families, and one could actually make the case that it functions like a Social Security/Welfare Department. Only it's funded by the private sector individual and families overwhelmingly Dominicans! Private Social Security and Welfare all rapped in one!! Who said Dominicans don't take care of their own. :)
I am very critical of many things that are wrong with my country but when someone ONLY has negative things to say about the country and they spend their time in a Dominican forum one can only conclude that these people are anti-Dominican.
When I see a balance between the criticism and the praise for some small progress areas the I will understand that a person is truly being critical in a positive manner but these people use the worst terms to define our country yet want us to use kid gloves on the Haitians who contribute to more backwardness than we already have.
I would also like to tell you that although I am aware of the many problems of your beloved country, I also have experienced Dominican immigrants in the US as an incredibly intelligent, civilized, and generous culture. The nobility of spirit in times of trouble, the willingness to share and grow in a multicultural society, the traditional values of family and responsibility high - I have been impressed as to how growing up in a society rife with corruption has not tainted the desire to do things the right way in the US. Every group has it bad apples, but what I have seen of Dominicans over the years is not just rewarding, but inspiring. There is a fundamental decency that is laudable, and BEAUTIFUL..
Even when criticising their are different nuances in the words chosen which can make a difference between POSITIVE and NEGATIVE criticism and the posters I am referring to NEVER have anything positive to say which indicates a clear bias and a hidden agenda.The fact is most of these posters are either Haitians or Afrocentrists who clearly have a fixation with my country and who provoke the majority of the more radical responses.
We are a small poor nation with many problems but we love our country above all and will not tolerate outsiders with bad intentions towards our country and though many cannot put these sentiments in clear terms you are seeing the full range of sentiments of Dominicans in this forum
The fact is most of these posters are either Haitians or Afrocentrists who clearly have a fixation with my country and who provoke the majority of the more radical responses.
if you were not such a self loathing Dominican , it would have crossed your mind that the most unrelenting critics of the DR are not Haitians and afrocentrics, as you call them. many are Dominicans themselves, and most are foreigners who are dismayed at the conditions they saw here , before most of them packed up and went back home. but it makes you comfortable to believe that the detractors are dark skinned, because, in your mind, talking back to white people should not even be considered, since, in the human pecking order, they are better than you are, and should be treated with due deference. i feel so sad for you and your ilk.
Many people you call Dominican can barely speak Spanish and grew up in the same "cultural" element you defend making them only Dominican by name but not by culture for a Dominican may criticise at times be we will find some good to say and even defend our country but those of you who hate my country NEVER have anything positive to say about my country and conversely find grains of hope in Haiti's disastrous existence.The fact that you and the others are clearly biased is obvious to any objective observer so you can rant and rave and call me all your infantile names in your anglo centric condescending manner but the truth is obvious .
Show me ONE post of yours that is POSITIVE about my country and I might change my mind but all I have seen and see day to day is you jumping in with the likes of Harrington (probably another Caribbean boy) and others is to jump on the negative points of my country .
I can show many posts in which I criticise my country but my words are constructive criticism and I will also support any small steps taken to improve which is the case with Atabey and others who are Dominican and criticise but also defend.
I would like all those hypocrites on this forum who only find negatives about Dominican Republic to explain WHY they are in a Dominican site if they can never find at least one small positive to comment on ......
I think we all know!
Now as far as running ,I will not waste my time with your compadre who's biggest contribution to this forum is a drinking thread and who is not even worth responding to .I can respond to your ridiculous and hypocritical comments because they are at least formed into sentences while your compadres brain cells seem to have been wiped by alcohol.
As far as disagreements ,I disagree with Cibao on many points ,with Atabey on several issues and with others but they have demonstrated that they are first and foremost Dominicans with the interests of the country in mind but someone like papaupa who has a ghetto mentality will obviously be more culturally in tune with someone of your ilk.
Constructive criticism Dready, that's the key. When we see it, we have NO reason to doubt that a certain pro-Dominicaness is at the heart of its speaker and writer; be they Dominican or not.
Now, now Dready you're getting silly again.
why, thank you. at least sometimes i am not, unlike you.
I know that my antagonism to the first "black " republic irks you ,but that will not change unless the majority of Haitians were to leave my country and we both know that that won' happen without some resistance and conflict.
I am still waiting for a positive post about anything relating to my country monsieur...
You must be part Haitian with your fantasies yet you have some sort of fixation on my person along with your Dominican girl papitaupa .
Again Dready ,nothing you say will remove the reality of you dislike for my country which is evident in this forum and none of your idiotic comments faze me because they simply aren't true and we both know it but if it makes you feel better go on ..you can even say that I am illiterate or whatever you wish but in the end you will still be anti-Dominican and I will still defend my country .
Planner ,Dread is not Dominican nor does he have anything positive to say about DR ..if you read his posts they are all negative which means he does not care about DR yet he spends an inordinate amount of time for someone who is not Dominican or at least cares about DR.
Dready,I am still waiting for those POSITIVE posts about DR ,I have seen plenty in defence of Haiti and Haitians but you seem to have trouble producing one that actually shows you care about DR and if you don't care and spend so much time here then we all know what your underlying motives are!
Good luck dready because no matter what you say I will be here because this is a site focused on MY country and I don't waste my time in Jamaican forums or Haitian forums simple because they do not matter to me .
I have to go now ,my boss is calling me to move some more shopping carts ....LOL!
Anyway dready let's see those LOVING posts about my country that speak in positives about anything regarding DR. I'm sorry I can't play but I truly have some productive things to do today but I thank you for putting a smile on my face this morning .
See you later...I know you will miss me very much!
Again ,this is cyberspace so you could say you are Colin Powell's son and there is no way to prove or disprove it just like your fantasies of me working moving shopping carts which you know is idiocy on your part but does not faze me one bit.
No matter what you say now ,you have proven to be 100% negative about my country and although you have managed to fool some of my compatriots I can see through your little farce.
6 Dec 2010 11:57 AM
As usual your opinion of your worth is grossly overinflated and please don't include me in your fantasies of hairy men Dready ,I have told you I don't go that way batty man.
And if it makes your insecure ego feel better you can imagine me doing all types of menial work ...you have my permission .I can consider it a gift to an senile and useless person .
See you later Dready!