Written by: matador, 28 Dec 2010 8:46 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
Have to believe it, our goverment turn his back to the Dominican people to ptrotect the Haitian, I m glad this Community is actually doing something to terminate their problem, Hang them all, get those criminal out of our community.
Written by: telemeco, 28 Dec 2010 8:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
here we go...I am predicting 100 comment before we all end up with Haitian still on this side of the border and nothing done.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
They got some BALLS these haitians, those illegals know that they are in a lawless land.
LINCHING TIME!!!!!!
HANGEM HIGH !!!!!!!! For believing they have rights!!!!
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 9:06 AM
From: United States, Boston
And all the latinos / Dominicans in the USA all support the Democrats to keep the illegals coming into the USA.
You bunch of hippocrates/democrats are all keeping the USA a dumping ground for uneducated unskilled illegals just like the haitian into the Dom Rep. Stay where you are and make a change so your future will be better, dont run away and give up!
dominicans do not want the haitians in their country but boy oh boy dont say close the borders too loud in the USA in front of any democrat latinos !
Come on let the haitians stay in the Dom Rep all they want is a better life , sound familiar ?
Written by: Logical, 28 Dec 2010 9:54 AM
From: United States
@TheTruth, you are incorrect. I don't support illegal immigration to the USA. In fact, many of the other Latinos/Dominicans do no support it.
On the other hand, at least most of the Mexicans coming to the US are civil and that cannot be said for most Haitians going into DR.
Written by: BASTA, 28 Dec 2010 10:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Sounds like Jerusalem
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ Logical
Most of the Mexican coming to the US are civil and that cannot be said for most Haitians going into DR
__________________
Really Have you been to Arizona lately . Last week a US Border Patrol agent was shot dead over there by one of your civil mexican. PHX is the US kidnaping capital,take a wild guess why that is.Please know your facts before making idiotic comment to support your claim.
Written by: Logical, 28 Dec 2010 10:19 AM
From: United States
@ PatDiamond,
Do you know how to read? I said "most" Mexicans and not all. Of course, there will be instances like the one you just mentioned. It doesn't take a genius to know there will be bad examples. So who's making the "idiotic comments" here?
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 10:21 AM
From: United States, Boston
Logical your name is wrong it should be illogical. This is what I mean about you cant even talk about it with democrat latinos, you have your head in the sand. You do not know what you are talking about so dont talk unless you really know what you are saying. You see a little tv and think that because you hear it from other latinos it is the truth. Do a little F----king research will you please before you talk out you but.
67% of all crime along the border of the us and mexico is by illegals this is fact and you cannot argue fact . In the Dom Rep 90% of crime is by its own people .
From: Dominican Republic
Wrong logical ,! your comment is more baised than it is factual . The same thing was said when Castro allowed the Morial exodus of about 100,000 Cubans in the 80s . The ''spic '' haters will still say that Maimi got all the degenerates from the Havana prison system , but the truth is that only about 20% of the sankys came on them first rafts . Just like the Cubans , you cant blame the Haitians for wanting to survive by going to a place that offrers them a chance to eat maybe 3 times a week instead of one .
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 10:34 AM
From: United States, Boston
No one likes to hear the truth because your reality becomes shattered
Written by: Logical, 28 Dec 2010 10:35 AM
From: United States
@TheTruth
I have never said illegals do not commit crime. So you are arguing against an argument I have not made.
On the other hand, your conclusion is that Haitians are more civil than Mexicans? Is that your conclusion? Just from those statistics or "fact".
Can anyone attack an argument without attacking the poster? And why do people get so upset? To the point of cursing at others. Why are people so emotionally invested in these posts? It is very pathetic but funny.........
From: Dominican Republic
Lets be real logical , but first put the tissue box down and stop whining . If the shoe were on the other foot , the Dominicans would be trying to hop thier nieghbors fence to get a drink as well ?
Written by: Logical, 28 Dec 2010 10:41 AM
From: United States
DHB, I was not arguing against Haitian immigration into the DR. In fact, I'm indifferent to it.
I simply made a comparison between the Haitian and Mexican immigrants.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 10:46 AM
From: United States, In your mind
TheTruth, or TheSoCalledTruth, you are perfect example of why most people cant have a decent discussion with right-wingers such as yourself. Right-wingers rely on opinions and not facts when making their idiotic statements. Republicans are the BIGGEST hipocrites of them all when it comes to illegal immigration in the U.S. and you have perfect examples such as Lindsey Graham, flip-flopper John McCain and even your former poster boy Dubya. Lindsey Graham with his "pathway to citizenship/assimilation" program for illegal immigrants & John McCain with his flip-flopping on border security/border wall issues.Dubya didn't propose any laws that would persecute employers that hired illegals, he was more concerned with pushing through temporary worker visas. What has happened when those work visas expired? Of course, many of those illegals stayed here illegally versus returning to their home countries. Republicans with their "pro business" stance turn a blind-eye to employers who hire illegals.
From: Dominican Republic
republicans with a pro Pro business stance turn a blind eye to employers who hire illigals '
Capitalism in reverse you might say . If we cant ship the jobs over seas for cheap labor and tax exempt corporations , will let the cheap labor come over here and assume no liablity for them ??? No unemployment benefits , no workmans comp , no health insurance and its all under the table , but the best part is that when they f**k up , you send them back where they came from and get a new one .
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 10:59 AM
From: United States, Boston
I am an Independent not a republican . You make a busniess with your hard work and you should get to keep your money and not have ,be forced to give to those who do not want to work and stay home having babies and sending the money you do give them back home instead of keeping here in the USA economy.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 11:02 AM
From: United States, Boston
It is the businesses and workers who work for the businesses are who pay the bills here not the 50% of the populartion who pay nothing and take and take never giving back and that is fact my friend.
If you wish to talk facts I am ready
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 11:02 AM
From: United States, In your mind
@heartbeat: We can certainly blame illegal Haitians for trying to survive at the expense of increasing the risk for diseases and/or infections because of lack of simple hygiene. We can blame illegal Haitians for wanting to stay by force illegally when we have plenty destitute of our own. We can blame illegal Haitians for crimes that they do commit (im not saying all commit crimes by the way before you mouth off). Actually, we can blame illegal Haitians for all their wrongdoings if they are in fact doing them. Dominican Republic is a third world country and we cannot afford to absorb the illegal citizens of another third world country whose in much worse shape than ours for the sake of being humanitarian all the time. We've done enough as it is with allowing illegal Haitians to attend schools, receive healthcare, providing aid and even allowed to work and then tolerate Haitians trying to play "the victim in DR" card with the international community.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 11:12 AM
From: United States, Boston
to JEM237 Since when is working hard and keeping your money so you can live better a bad thing ?
It became a bad thing when all the uneducated unemployed people in the USA were tricked By the Dems , who by the way wanted to keep slavery, into thinking that is was Business who is the reason for their poverty and together if you vote for me I will make them give you your fair share by doing nothing but keeping me in power vote for a dem and you will get free stuff. free stuff is not free, someone has to pay and guess who pays it el stupido
It was a Republican Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves and the dems today keep minorities in slavery believing that they need governmnet to be happy and solve problems not freedom to build a business and work hard. Who do you think pays the taxes which pays for dem free programs ???????????? The business and the workers dumb ass
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 11:24 AM
From: United States, In your mind
TheTruth stop playing dumb and going off topic! Why would I think that being rewarded for your hard work is wrong? TheSoCalledTruth you didnt address anything that I said, you said you're ready for facts; I provided you with several facts in my previous post that you simply just ignored. The real truth is that Republicans have never actively persecuted employers who hire illegal immigrants. The minute that issue is addressed you will see a decrease in illegal immigration or at the very least discourage it. Far from being part of the solution Republicans are also part of the problem. I'm not talking about being able to keep your money from your hard work and not giving people handouts. I'm talking about business owners being cheap bastards that hire illegal immigrants to avoid having to pay Americans the wages and benefits they deserve and then have the audacity to complain about illegal immigration. THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 11:28 AM
From: United States, Boston
Did you write your comment at 10:46 am or did you not ?
What you were talikng about at 10:46 was :
republican pro business stance ring a bell ?????
I am a right winger ???
republican biggest hippocrates ????
Right winger only rely on opinions ??
I told you facts not opinion
Do you have alzheimers ?
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 11:35 AM
From: United States, In your mind
@TheTruth for the sake of all the posters on here and for the sake of remaining on topic. if you wish to continue this U.S. political discussion please send me a private message. I eat right-wingers like you for lunch and I will inundate you with more facts than what I have already provided you with here. I'll be waiting.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 11:44 AM
From: United States, In your mind
TheTruth:
Why didnt you address these facts:
Lindsey Graham's pathway to citizenship program for illegals
John McCain's flip-flopping on border security/control issues? (one minute he's for the wall, the next minute he's against it.)
Dubya's temporary worker visa program
Employers/Business owners hiring illegal immigrants to avoid paying American citiziens and/or legal residents the wages and benefits they are entitled to.
Address those obvious facts and then we'll be a the same level.
I'll be waiting for your PM
From: United States, Omnipresence
Can't we all just get along?!...hey what are you doin' with that plastic shit-bag?!. I was just kidding!
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 11:57 AM
From: United States, In your mind
TheTruth if I'm a "lefty loon" you are FAR from being a moderate! You are the typical misinformed Republican in disguise that when provided with valid facts and arguments you resort to deviating from the question by going off topic or claiming they're an "Independent". For the record I dont give a rat's ass about your donations or what you've done for DR/Haiti as I didn't ask to know your charitable work nor do I need a history lesson from you on the Republicans of Lincoln's era who were nothing like the Republicans of today; to even compare the Lincoln era Republicans to those of today is the most asinine thing anyone can do. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Republicans of the Lincoln era were much like Democrats of most of the 20th century.
Written by: Avaro, 28 Dec 2010 12:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Ensanche Ozama
good to see the population take action
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 12:17 PM
From: United States, In your mind
@heartbeat:
A couple of things to address:
I am not a "he", I am a "she"
I can tout "WE Dominicans" because I am Dominican and I know that most of my fellow Dominicans share my sentiment.
You will not catch me at any Starbucks anytime soon because I don't drink coffee and if I did, I would probably go to Dunkin Donuts.
Right-wingers or Right-wingers claiming to be they're Independent like our boy TheTruth here always give me the opportunity to eat them for lunch because they make their comments based on opinions not facts and when provided with evidence they resort to going off topic, calling people "lefties". They bring it on to themselves, I mean I'd be embarrassed to be associated with the party of Dubya, Sarah Palin, Haley Barbour, Carl Palladino, Rick Perry, etc., too but I wouldn't deny it or claim to be "in the middle"
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 12:23 PM
From: United States, In your mind
@Avaro: I agree and hopefully there are no casualties.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 12:37 PM
From: United States, In your mind
@heartbeat: On the same token, perhaps all of you proud members of the Haitian diaspora should take a more active role in the improvement of your side of the island to avoid the massive immigration over to DR. I agree with you though that is isn't only Haitians to blame but he Dominican elite and Dominicans overall who hire illegal Haitians for the sake of being cheap or just plain and simply being cheap bastards. Oh, and again, I hardly ever drink coffee so you will not find me in a coffee shop only if I'm starving and there's no other place to eat close by will you find me in one.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 12:44 PM
From: United States, In your mind
@heartbeat: I find it funny that you make fun of my political stance yet I have noticed you being a very vocal critic or "The Party of No" on numerous occasions; are you having a case of flip-flopping as well? I would certainly take a more active role in my "leftist" reforms if I actually had an interest in pursuing politics which I do not intend to do in my lifetime. I am no Joan of Arc as I do not believe in going to war nor would I die for anyone that's not my family or significant other. No assumptions please.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
The Dominican Republic has been baited into a no win situation due to its location, imagine being the only Caribbean nation with no rights to enforce the concurrent power to protect its own waters and borders. Unfortunately, if the Dominican Republic tries to enforce its borders and waters, then of course the Dominicans are being unfair, inhumane, and racist - Which of course is a load of hypocritical HORSESHIT.
Regardless of where WAGE deflation takes place due to illegal immigration, it's without a doubt oppression and injustice for all parties involved because illegal immigration can only benefit the wealthy elitists for the disposing and receiving Countries. However, I do understand that, if we were wearing the other shoe, we would follow in the illegal Haitians unfortunate footsteps. I know many will not like this post. It is however logical.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 12:51 PM
From: United States, Boston
JEM 237
You started it with your republlcan comment BS and defining who I am without knowing who I am.
My point of stating what I do is to show you leftist socialist that I can give without being told to do so and I bet you do not give anything because you do not produce anything because you are a consumer like all the illegal immigrants who do not produce , only take and take and take until all I have to give has been taken away and there is nothing left to give. Everthing I have said has everything to do with immigration. If everywhere was doing the right thing and not be liberal socialist like you , then no one would have to leave their homeland. Every founding father of every country in North and south america were Freemasons who knew what to do and how to do it. Bolivar, Duatre, Washington were all Freemason thinkers exactly like myself and that is a fact .
It is the left who does not want God and God takes away from those who do not live the RIGHT way.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 1:00 PM
From: United States, In your mind
@TheSoCalledTruth: What a load of horseshit you just spewed. You accuse me of calling you a right-winger without knowing who you are yet you assume I am a leftist socialist and someone who takes from society without knowing who I am? The pot calling the kettle black, perhaps? I am far from being a taker I have worked since I am sixteen, I was born in the U.S., I paid for my college education out MY OWN POCKET! You are no one to make incorrect assumptions about me. On the other hand, you DID take a RIGHT-WING stance on the illegal immigration issue here in the U.S. and when I provided you with facts about Republicans you deviated to talking about Lincoln, your supposed charitable work in Haiti, people getting handouts, etc., When I provided you with facts about key Republican politicians that have contributed to the influx of illegal immigration you again avoided the facts and again went off topic. Oh and please stay away from the religion BS with me, too. Sheesh
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 1:05 PM
From: United States, Boston
Only a leftist calls someone right winged and complains only of republicans.
I am a lawyer too if you would like to keep going I can go all day too but only with facts
In God WE TRUST , under GOD , God given rights , it does matter idiota
You do not read my emails you just see what you want to see
What do you do for a living ??? Who did you vote for ??
repuclican Ideals have never changed since lincoln , you do not communicate well with others, You do not listen, you just wait to talk
Do you want a pat on the back for paying your own way ??? That is what you are supposed to do
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 1:08 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
TheTruth, Dominicanheartbeat,
Can you stay on topic and divulge into some Political BS. I can't believe you guys continue to force your support for ILLEGAL Haitian immigration and want DOMINICANS to swallow your pillow at all cost. Dominicans will protest and we will continue excerise our right as a people and nation to defend our country from these Haitians who demand to be in a country ILLEGAL.
You gotta be kidding me. Haitians have no right to be in DR period.
Let the protest and deportation begin! Hopefully no blood shed but we have the right to defend our people, our country!!!!!
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 1:16 PM
From: United States, Boston
Hey Jem YOUR WORDS responding to my immigartion comments:
"TheTruth, or TheSoCalledTruth, you are perfect example of why most people cant have a decent discussion with right-wingers such as yourself."
This is what you said . TRUE or FALSE ?? while I was commenting on immigartion and you started with the BS my dear . Are you sure you do not have Alzhiemers ?
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 1:27 PM
From: United States, Boston
tO JEM 237
You said in your own words to me ; "You accuse me of calling you a right-winger without knowing who you are yet you assume I am a leftist socialist and someone who takes from society without knowing who I am?
I did not ACCUSE you of calling me that you dumb ass I took it from your own damn words to me that you cant even remember below !!!!!!!!!
"TheTruth, or TheSoCalledTruth, you are perfect example of why most people cant have a decent discussion with right-wingers such as yourself ( only a left wing socialist calls someone a right winger)
.
You have proven that you cannot argue with an idiot because idiots cant remember what what they say because they dont talk with fact only opinion.
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 1:52 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Overzealous never that. However, you are a fanatical with forcing your empathic views on posters in this forum.
Dominicans can't allow Haitians on humantarian terms. It's a threat to our people and nation to undertake such a monumental task of allowing Haitians to migrate to our side. We are a third world country that can't handle a heavy influx of ILLEGAL Haitian migrants.
Build Haiti. That is the real solution. Have the absent Haitian Diaspora in conjunction with France, USA, and Canada contribute to the rebuilding of Haiti
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:18 PM
From: United States, Boston
Amen ny4life.
www.fondationseguin.org
you need save the enviroment before you can save the people.
6 miilion hectares of soil is washed into the ocean from erosion in Haiti alone every year.
The island is getting smaller by the day and the population is growing faster than it ever has.
10,000 years from now Hispaniola will be the size of Puerrto Rico
stop planting your seeds in the cabana and start planting trees in the soil
From: Dominican Republic
If you would of have taken the time to read my earlier posts , you would have seen that not only have I never gone out of text or strayed from the topic as Truth may have , but niether have I disagreed with the facts stated above (yours included )...
That said , what are YOU DOMINICANS ( the generic american breed of DOMINICANS ) GOING TO DO ABOUT it since you have the answers ? Certainly your not accomplishing anything from the comforts of your easy chair that looks out the window at the sunsetting over the Grande Manzana .
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:20 PM
From: United States, Boston
dominican heartbeat : dont drag me into your battle MF
I was on point til miss newark started the bs.
Written by: JEM237, 28 Dec 2010 2:25 PM
From: United States, In your mind
To ALL: For the sake of all the posters and readers here I will take the discussion with the individuals "TheTruth" and dominicanheartbeat to private message as I tried doing previously. My apologies, I tried to stay on topic at some point.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:43 PM
From: United States, Boston
I come to this website to see what up in the Dom Rep . Once in a while I post a comment.
I tell the truth and state facts. If you cant handle the truth then you will never be set free from your influenced opinion by your own lack of knowledge of your country and its history.
why dont you all go to Youtube and watch everything you can about Napoleon Hill, Manly P Hall, W.Clement Stone, Bishop Fulton J Sheen , Andrew Carnagie Secret and The Secret ,
If you have not heard of theses people then you need to keep you arguments and your negative posts to yourselves regarding my comments and views because I know the truth and you do not..
Charity is the most powerful of faith hope and charity because it means that you are greatful and because you are greatful you are happy and you share.
later on amigos
From: Dominican Republic
Lawyer my ass lol ...
But for the record and as someone who spends as much time as I do in the D.R , may I say that apart from the humanitarian aspect , I hate the situation as much as you . Weve been down this path too many times already people but were pissing into a tornado as usual .
True , the government has done and is doing nothing to prevent the spread of the Haitian invasion but why ? as they are the ones directly responsible for shutting the gate and guarding it and like it or not , Its too late to send 3 million of them back with the multitudes that are jumping the fence as we post nor is Leo likely to do anything about it in the future . The answer , and it may just be my opinion , is because the secret agenda of the foriegn powers that be is unification of Hispanola ..Never say never my friends , because imagine the scenario if an 8.5 were to rock santiago one day . Then see how many Dominicans would be running to the border for Uncle Willys help .
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:51 PM
From: United States, Boston
Dominican Heartbeat
I went to Suffolk University here in Mass gradutaed 88 studied international Law ok MF
next to Havard it is the best law school in Mass
From: Dominican Republic
Truth
SInce you know it all ( the truth that is ), then you should know that the truth will set you free , not make you ignorant and stupid ..Adios Esquire !
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:53 PM
From: United States, Boston
I have a House in Santiago El En Sueno calle 11a or we can go to my campo near Puerto Plata Oyo Grande Guananico if anyone with reason would like to stop by and have a cold one
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 2:55 PM
From: United States, Boston
i do not know it all just more than the average here posting the BS
From: Dominican Republic
Ill be in Sosua in 3 weeks and would love to have a few cold ones with you but your a little too arrogant for even the likes of me lol .
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
I used to waste my time about this topic, not anymore; if the government doesn't do anything about it, then let the Haitian take over.
How much do we miss EL JEFE?
From: Dominican Republic
dbs,
You may be the only one correct about the truth . It truly has become a waste of time and I dont know why I keep letting myself get baited into coming back to it only to post the same old mierda with a new twist of lime .
Im out........
From: United States, Brooklyn
Yessssss
From: United States, Omnipresence
"mierda with lime?"...truly must taste amargamente shitty.....
From: United States, Brooklyn
The people will do what the government refuses... it's time to cleanse the DR
jajjajajja
Written by: mrchivo, 28 Dec 2010 4:52 PM
From: United States
DONT_BE_SILENT You're right on point. Since 1822 the Haitians have been flooding the D.R. side of the island. That's why it's become so dark! Dominicans are trying to move forward. The Haitians are moving backwards, at the same time dragging us into there abyss of despair, hunger, environmental destruction, illiteracy and many other ills i will not mention. The laundry list is just too long. A civil war will happen soon, if things don't change in Haiti. The D.R. is carrying a heavy load of sins, not responsible for. I concur with you "Estoy cansado de la misma plepla, sin solucion."
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 5:54 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
The gov't is not doing anything let the Haitians take over"
Are you serious???? That's what you Haitians want. It can't happen and there are Dominicans who will not allow that. No one has the right to be somewhere ILLEGAL. There are three million Haitians in DR and it's NOT to late to send them back.
The foreign powers have an agenda on the island and Haitians are spearheading the idea of unification. From the outset Haitians have always wanted a unification that's why the Dominican Republic was created to oppose such union.
That's why there are two nations on one island because Dominicans fought for there independence from Haiti. We are two distinct people with distinct cultures. We share obvious similarities but we are different people.
Build Haiti. All these Haitians with a false sense of pride. You need to build your country and ask for international help. Stop the discrimination against Haitians and unify.
Haitian Diaspora, where the hell are you?
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 5:56 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Demand rights from your government. Demand respect from your fellow Haitians. Demand a right to a decent life. Demand education, healthcare, jobs, housing from your fellow Haiitan people and the USA, France, EU, and Canada who are to blame in conjunction with your HAITIAN people for the failure of your country.
The DR is not your enemy or answer to fix your Haiti Cherie.
Written by: TheTruth, 28 Dec 2010 6:01 PM
From: United States, Boston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XufMBXISCGcManly Palmer Hall - TURN OFF THE TELEVISION SET - youtube
This man used to fill Carnagie Hall and sell tickets for $50 dollars back in the 1930s which is about $700 today just to hear him speak the truth.
Please for God sake help yourselves do not live the lie told to you since birth.
If you take 8 minutes to listen to this it will change your life forever. If it does not then you are done
get out of the box
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 6:01 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
JEMS,
Once you present the facts as arguments you see that these posters don't have the intellect to continue the conversation. As evidence by changing the subject and attacking you for making such factual/logical comments.They suffer from a superior complex where they are all knowing.
I'm glad you are back on here. I miss your contributions to the site. Hope all has been well.
Written by: ny4life, 28 Dec 2010 6:11 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
For those of you who don't know,
Our Dominican diaspora is very well connected to the Dominican Republic. We are not an absent diaspora that only contributions via remittances. We have businesses, homes, involved in politics, and frequently visit the DR. The Dominican diaspora is well informed on the happenings in the DR and contribute significantly to the well being of the nation. Don't mistake not living in DR as not making difference or as a disconnect from Dominican society. Our diaspora is far from disconnected!!!!
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
ny4life called me Haitian. I guess you really don't know who I am. Like I said before I used to waste a lot of time and energy about the Haitian topic. I used to go mano a mano with all the Haitian that post on this forum about everything that had to do with them on our side of the island.
I've come to realized posting here is not going to change anything, this people are looking for a better life, and if the government doesn't do anything about their illegal activities there's not much we can do from behind our keyboard.
If the community wants to take matters into their own hands, is probably out of frustration of our incapable government.
From: United States
WOW. STFU is that you. NY4Life I've argued with DBS and hes Dominican thru and thru. I think theres something going on behind the scenes you and I know nothing about STFU. I think 2 gnerations from now whatever their plan is will come to fruition.
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
These immigrant Haitians need to be shot and then deported back to Haiti were they belong. How can you have a rapist who try rape a 9 year old be protected, by lawless scumbags foreigners carrying guns? Hang them by there purple balls.
Written by: ateo2010 
, 28 Dec 2010 11:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
I loveeee to see those sorts of acts by our compatriots!! deport them all!!
Written by: curios1, 28 Dec 2010 11:48 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
wow heres my 2 cents breaking the law is breaking the law. situations are sad but none the less.i can see that every one agrees there is a problem. the real problem is the reason that causes a person to enter another country ileagaly. once that problem is adressed the problem should be solved. i find most problems can easaly be solved but the people that set out to solve them are complicated.and that is the biggest problem of all. OH WELL just my opinion and 2 cents, but thats what these post are for
Written by: ny4life, 29 Dec 2010 12:56 AM
From: United States, New York, NY
What compassion are you talking about?
You want the DR to accept 2 million ILLEGAL Haitians out of compassion???
You are CRAZY. No other country in the world would do that.
You call Dominicans racists for wanting to gain control of its borders and defend the nation from a failed state next door. At least Puerto Rico, the USA, EU does not share a border with the DR like Haiti does.
The situation is more complicated because we share an island. Borders need to be enforced and deportations need to happen like it does everywhere else in the world. Poor or not, that is the way its done everywhere else. Your race card is dispicable, seems like you have a complex.
Sovereignty has nothing to do with race. If the tables were turned, I'm sure Haitians would be upset and deporting Dominicans.
20,000 Dominicans vs. 2.5 million Haitians. Can't compare apples to oranges. The real problem is Haiti and Haitians are not doing anything to change it as you eloquently explained above.
Written by: ElFactor, 29 Dec 2010 1:03 AM
From: United States
ny4life Just to let you know Dont_Be_Silent, is totally against this out of control, Haitian illegal immigration into D.R.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
From: United States
the Truth opines, with bitterness in his tones
I am an Independent not a republican . You make a busniess with your hard work and you should get to keep your money and not have ,be forced to give to those who do not want to work and stay home having babies and sending the money you do give them back home instead of keeping here in the USA economy.
i notice that you do not make any mention of having this hard earned money, to which you so wistfully refer, ending up in the hands of Wall Street tycoons. i guess that does not bother you quite as much as when it is directed to a destitute mother of 3 kids. but, give it to some looter and raider from Lehman Brothers, and all is well with the world.. i know your type....
Written by: curios1, 29 Dec 2010 1:06 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
im curios WHY does any man leave his country and enter another ileagaly.
Written by: mjsd82, 29 Dec 2010 2:46 PM
From: United States
haitians should create their own haitian news website and blog overthere and stop coming here. They should waste their energy rebuilding haiti and stop coming to DR. haitians should stop forcing their way to my country, we are all getting sick of them. I wish there was a way to seperate the island and not deal with these animals.
Written by: curios1, 29 Dec 2010 5:33 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
man i would like to buy us all a cold one !
Written by: ElFactor, 29 Dec 2010 7:01 PM
From: United States
TriniHaitian can you show me statistics on Dominican illegals flooding Trinidad & Tobago?
Written by: ElFactor, 30 Dec 2010 12:13 AM
From: United States
TriniHaitian cough cough Haitian, i'm still waiting for you're data relating to Dominican illegals flooding Trinidad & Tobago?
Written by: Pepe32, 30 Dec 2010 12:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
!!!El Cibao al frente ayer y hoy!!!
Written by: ElFactor, 30 Dec 2010 12:19 AM
From: United States
I'm still waiting cough TriniHaitian cough cough? Haitian!... I'm waiting patiently...
Written by: ElFactor, 30 Dec 2010 12:24 AM
From: United States
He's scouring the entire World Wide Web for an article that most likely does not exist! I'm waiting TriniHaitian? LOL.
Written by: ElFactor, 30 Dec 2010 12:37 AM
From: United States
I don't work for you either TriniHaitian LMFAO!!!... As usual you're a typical Haitian bulls**t artist.
From: United States, Omnipresence
Holy cow! These posts are just totally unbelieveable.....
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2010 11:41 PM
From: United States, NYC
Trini,
You say that you're part Haitian. How did your Haitian side get to Trinidad and Tobago? Or are you Haitian on both sides and born in Trinidad and Tobago?
Also, while I understand that we Dominicans have many fellow Dominicans living in other parts of the world, Puerto Rico you mention. Has it ever occurred to you that given our Colonial past as Spanish Colonies and having families with multiple Spanish speaking nations, that these facts may just have something to do with our dispersal? Dominicans and Puerto Ricans have had a long pre-colonial relationship. The Great Puerto Rican Betances father was from the DR.
Furthermore, I believe that almost 100 years ago, before the advent of the Oil based world economy, many black Caribbeans made their living working part of the year in the sugar cane fields, including those in the Dominican Republic! In fact, many of our English surname Dominicans from the south, Duncan, Bell, etc., are descendants of these workers.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2010 11:51 PM
From: United States, NYC
While it's true that some folks here get antsy and say things that are not nice to the ears and may hurt peoples feelings, sometimes even racists things, it should not dismiss the difficult question before us: What is to be done with Haiti?
Certainly many on this site do not like what is happening today, nor the on going failure of that State and Nation to get its act together. And the Dominican Republic is getting a deflationary wage benefit that helps the rich and the developers at the expense of the Dominican working class, especially the poorer Dominicans who are forced into a losing battle against far cheaper Haitian labor input. The DR actually may be sacrificing developing a domestic middle class because of this process. This was the opinion of a French economist early this year.
I for one just want to see the Haitian ship finally leave the dock. Haiti can only be saved by her people. And the DR can not ever substitute for that lack of historical reconciliation.
Written by: curios1, 31 Dec 2010 7:54 AM
From: United States, right where im standin
i have always enjoyed good conversation and debate with anyone anywhere in the world no matter what the topic. but theres just to much rock chuckin on this subject .and not many posible answers to the problem hhhhmmmmmmm!
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Haitians defecating in the streets??? What else is new? Who doesn't know that?!!
"He also said a Haitian tried to rape a nine year old girl but when her relatives and other neighbors tried to expel him, he was protected by compatriots carrying guns.”......I'll say wait until they outnumber us!!!!
The Dominican people and specifically The Cibaenos de PURA CEPA must do and will do what needs to be done, enough is enough, and if the government is incompetent to protect us we must take the matter ourselves.... pa'lante Cibaenos only Cibaenos can do the task!!
From: United States
Regardless of what the 'problem' is, violence, especially the community 'vigilante' brand will only cause more problems, and I don't understand why people can't see that. The comment (the very first one I believe) by 'matador' "Hang them all, get those criminal out of our community." is disturbing. Its very sad to see how some people can feel so much hate for Haitians 'in general' for trying to do the EXACT SAME thing Dominicans go the US to do - live a better life. If a Haitian tries to rape a 9 year old girl, than yes by all means he should be punished severely, but realistically not EVERY Haitian is like that! Furthermore, the biggest 'rape' of all is the Dominican Government raping its OWN people with the rampant corruption. The Gov. encourages delicuencia because many Haitian/Dominicans can't get any documentation to even ATTEMPT to try and obtain a 'decent' job. And as mentioned above, if the shoe was on the other foot, people would want to be shown patience and mercy.
From: United States
As far as the question "What is to be done with Haiti?" - Who knows...its a VERY complicated, multi-layered, socio-politically saturated issue. Its much like the immigration issue of the US with Mexico (and other places). But I do know what should NOT be done. Haitians should not be treated as garbage to be discarded. And they should be given more support by the International community AND the Dominican Government. Some complain about Haitians being a burden or being illegal or doing this and that, but if a Dominican can come to the US illegally and try to improve his lot in life, why can't a Haitian? Is a Haitians blood any less valuable? (I bet some people will actually have to think about the question first) I realize that the US can support more people than the Dominican Republic can. But again it goes back to the Government. How many illegal Haitians have come into the Country by 'buscones', or with the 'aid' of a greedy CESFRONT guard looking for extra cash to buy a BB??
From: United States
At any rate hate, discrimination and violence will NOT WORK. So everyone out there insulting Haitians calling them animals and savages and that they should be hung etc etc, are actually inflaming the problem even more. Think about it -- WHEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS HATE, DISCRIMINATION AND VIOLENCE EVER........EVER FIXED A SOCIAL PROBLEM??? NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER! Period. I'm pretty sure Haitians WANT to be in their own Country, they have a culture, a history, self-pride etc. But as we all know they are also dealing with living in a virtual failed state. There was extreme poverty even BEFORE the floods wiped out the crops and BEFORE the Earthquake. It takes time and money to get things even half way decent. Is it the Dominican Gov. 'responsibility' to foster every Haitian?? No. But being hateful and discriminating will ONLY cause more problems. Removing corruption will allow ANY individual Haitian or Dominican to be brought to justice for wrongdoing.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Jan 2011 4:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pretty words Bernard,but you live in a fantasy land. It is not a handful of Haitians in DR it is over 1.5 million mostly ILLEGAL and with Dominicans already getting screwed by our government and Haitians making it worse you are a dreamer if you think people will not react. We have been predicting a worsening situation for several years because you are not just entering our country you are INVADING ,peacefully for now but no country should have to support over 15% of a foreign population especially a poor country like mine. True Haitians need help but ask the rich nations to help you or actually do some work yourself to fix your problems .
My country needs to deport between 80 and 90 % of the Haitian illegals as is our sovereign right and our best interests for we did not create the mess in Haiti nor can we fix it. The only Haitians that should be in DR are those who enter with our PERMISSION and have legal documentation ,otherwise they should be picked up and dropped off in Haiti.
Written by: curios1, 3 Jan 2011 8:56 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
well thats it i have come to the conclusion that there are ileagal people in all countrys from some other country. my self i live in a ski resort area. i have met jamacins columbiens brasillians guatamalins mexicans elsalvadorians peruvians and dominicans and im sure some others that i dont know of recognise or remember.and im sure there not all here leagaly its not hard to tell. but every one i come in contact with i treat with curtacy and respect . i do beleave in the law and that it must be followd. but when it comes to the enforcment of these laws ITS NOT MY JOB. it has been my experienc that i can not change the world for my self or every one else.but for one or two i can change the world. it is not hard to see that all the mud slingin rock chuckin and name callen could posibley do a thing for the situation or topic at hand . i dont know what would make a difference in the dr or haiti . but i do know what would make a difference for 1
Written by: curios1, 3 Jan 2011 8:56 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
well thats it i have come to the conclusion that there are ileagal people in all countrys from some other country. my self i live in a ski resort area. i have met jamacins columbiens brasillians guatamalins mexicans elsalvadorians peruvians and dominicans and im sure some others that i dont know of recognise or remember.and im sure there not all here leagaly its not hard to tell. but every one i come in contact with i treat with curtacy and respect . i do beleave in the law and that it must be followd. but when it comes to the enforcment of these laws ITS NOT MY JOB. it has been my experienc that i can not change the world for my self or every one else.but for one or two i can change the world. it is not hard to see that all the mud slingin rock chuckin and name callen could posibley do a thing for the situation or topic at hand . i dont know what would make a difference in the dr or haiti . but i do know what would make a difference for 1
Written by: curios1, 3 Jan 2011 8:59 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
so if you realy whant to do something constructive find someone who could yous a hand or a word of encuragement mayby a few dollers and make a difference! id be curios to see what happens . ah go ahead start hittin the minus sighn
From: United States
Its supposedly MORE than 1.5 Million actually, so I am very aware that we are not just talking about a few people. Immigration, 'invading' call it what you like, but that happens in EVERY country where nearby countries are struggling. If you call people moving to another place in order to better there lot in life 'invading' then you could also say that New York, Connecticut, Boston, and Miami among others have been 'invaded' by Dominicans. But its not an invasion, its simply people trying to live a better quality of life. Why can't Haitians do the same?? The problem is simply that Haitians are viewed as inferiors. They can be just as productive. No its not the 'fault' of the Dominican Republic, but the Dominican Government is NOT completely 'innocent' either. Who makes up the cheap labor force of sugar cane cutters and surplus manual labor?? Haitians (for the most part) - so principally speaking - If you ride on another persons back, at least let them go where they want.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 8:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic
As usual Haitians don't read before responding..
situations "but the Dominican Government is NOT completely 'innocent' either"
ME "Dominicans already getting screwed by our government and Haitians making it worse"
Bernard ,you attempt to appear intelligent but you fail in your analysis for comparing a Dominican entering the US over 95% LEGAL I may add to and representing an almost microscopic percentage of the US population to a massive entry by Haitians approaching 20% over 95% ILLEGAL is totally moronic! Add to that the fact that Dominicans never Dominated ,invaded multiple times and raped ,looted and burned the US and you have two TOTALLY different situations.
.Please your problem is not OUR problem (well you want to make it ours) so please GTF out of our territory!
From: United States
BernardJeanPierre- I am an animal lover just as much as I love my fellow man. What ever I can do to help either one of them, I will not hesitate to do my fair share. However don't expect me to let every person in need move into and camp out in front of my house or take in all abandon animals, stray dog/cat from the streets but if I do otherwise, don't accuse me of "hate, insensitivity "Discrimination and Lack of Sympathy" That is called manipulation and playing with peoples emotions.
Do you really think Dominicans don't want to truely help the Haitian people. It is to our benefit and best interests to see a prosperous Haiti. But what you and people like yourself want are unreasonable demands to forceably impose yourself upon us. We have done our part and will continue to help Haiti as much as we possibly can, but do not expect anymore then what we have already done and can deliver. You need to understand there is only one Jesus Christ and few Mother Teresa, but enough is enough.
From: Dominican Republic
I just want to make a comment on this topic. I grew up in the United States and currently live in my native Dominican Republic. While I was a young boy and did not know any better I was a democrat all the way just because mom and dad said that was best for latinos in general. Once I started opening my eyes and learning for myself I realized that yes there some possitive points democrats make but there are possitive points republicans make. I will not go against a republican just because he/she is a republican. I must hear them out first as we shall all learn to do. With regards to illegal immigration in the USA, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico or anywhere else in the world, it is wrong! Plain and simple. Every country has the right to deport illegal immigrants from their land no matter what nationality you are, and I say this and stick to it even if it affects my own nationality because I am standing for the right thing!
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LINCHING TIME!!!!!!
HANGEM HIGH !!!!!!!! For believing they have rights!!!!
You bunch of hippocrates/democrats are all keeping the USA a dumping ground for uneducated unskilled illegals just like the haitian into the Dom Rep. Stay where you are and make a change so your future will be better, dont run away and give up!
dominicans do not want the haitians in their country but boy oh boy dont say close the borders too loud in the USA in front of any democrat latinos !
Come on let the haitians stay in the Dom Rep all they want is a better life , sound familiar ?
On the other hand, at least most of the Mexicans coming to the US are civil and that cannot be said for most Haitians going into DR.
Most of the Mexican coming to the US are civil and that cannot be said for most Haitians going into DR
__________________
Really Have you been to Arizona lately . Last week a US Border Patrol agent was shot dead over there by one of your civil mexican. PHX is the US kidnaping capital,take a wild guess why that is.Please know your facts before making idiotic comment to support your claim.
Do you know how to read? I said "most" Mexicans and not all. Of course, there will be instances like the one you just mentioned. It doesn't take a genius to know there will be bad examples. So who's making the "idiotic comments" here?
67% of all crime along the border of the us and mexico is by illegals this is fact and you cannot argue fact . In the Dom Rep 90% of crime is by its own people .
I have never said illegals do not commit crime. So you are arguing against an argument I have not made.
On the other hand, your conclusion is that Haitians are more civil than Mexicans? Is that your conclusion? Just from those statistics or "fact".
Can anyone attack an argument without attacking the poster? And why do people get so upset? To the point of cursing at others. Why are people so emotionally invested in these posts? It is very pathetic but funny.........
I simply made a comparison between the Haitian and Mexican immigrants.
Capitalism in reverse you might say . If we cant ship the jobs over seas for cheap labor and tax exempt corporations , will let the cheap labor come over here and assume no liablity for them ??? No unemployment benefits , no workmans comp , no health insurance and its all under the table , but the best part is that when they f**k up , you send them back where they came from and get a new one .
If you wish to talk facts I am ready
It became a bad thing when all the uneducated unemployed people in the USA were tricked By the Dems , who by the way wanted to keep slavery, into thinking that is was Business who is the reason for their poverty and together if you vote for me I will make them give you your fair share by doing nothing but keeping me in power vote for a dem and you will get free stuff. free stuff is not free, someone has to pay and guess who pays it el stupido
It was a Republican Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves and the dems today keep minorities in slavery believing that they need governmnet to be happy and solve problems not freedom to build a business and work hard. Who do you think pays the taxes which pays for dem free programs ???????????? The business and the workers dumb ass
What you were talikng about at 10:46 was :
republican pro business stance ring a bell ?????
I am a right winger ???
republican biggest hippocrates ????
Right winger only rely on opinions ??
I told you facts not opinion
Do you have alzheimers ?
Why didnt you address these facts:
Lindsey Graham's pathway to citizenship program for illegals
John McCain's flip-flopping on border security/control issues? (one minute he's for the wall, the next minute he's against it.)
Dubya's temporary worker visa program
Employers/Business owners hiring illegal immigrants to avoid paying American citiziens and/or legal residents the wages and benefits they are entitled to.
Address those obvious facts and then we'll be a the same level.
I'll be waiting for your PM
A couple of things to address:
I am not a "he", I am a "she"
I can tout "WE Dominicans" because I am Dominican and I know that most of my fellow Dominicans share my sentiment.
You will not catch me at any Starbucks anytime soon because I don't drink coffee and if I did, I would probably go to Dunkin Donuts.
Right-wingers or Right-wingers claiming to be they're Independent like our boy TheTruth here always give me the opportunity to eat them for lunch because they make their comments based on opinions not facts and when provided with evidence they resort to going off topic, calling people "lefties". They bring it on to themselves, I mean I'd be embarrassed to be associated with the party of Dubya, Sarah Palin, Haley Barbour, Carl Palladino, Rick Perry, etc., too but I wouldn't deny it or claim to be "in the middle"
The Dominican Republic has been baited into a no win situation due to its location, imagine being the only Caribbean nation with no rights to enforce the concurrent power to protect its own waters and borders. Unfortunately, if the Dominican Republic tries to enforce its borders and waters, then of course the Dominicans are being unfair, inhumane, and racist - Which of course is a load of hypocritical HORSESHIT.
Regardless of where WAGE deflation takes place due to illegal immigration, it's without a doubt oppression and injustice for all parties involved because illegal immigration can only benefit the wealthy elitists for the disposing and receiving Countries. However, I do understand that, if we were wearing the other shoe, we would follow in the illegal Haitians unfortunate footsteps. I know many will not like this post. It is however logical.
You started it with your republlcan comment BS and defining who I am without knowing who I am.
My point of stating what I do is to show you leftist socialist that I can give without being told to do so and I bet you do not give anything because you do not produce anything because you are a consumer like all the illegal immigrants who do not produce , only take and take and take until all I have to give has been taken away and there is nothing left to give. Everthing I have said has everything to do with immigration. If everywhere was doing the right thing and not be liberal socialist like you , then no one would have to leave their homeland. Every founding father of every country in North and south america were Freemasons who knew what to do and how to do it. Bolivar, Duatre, Washington were all Freemason thinkers exactly like myself and that is a fact .
It is the left who does not want God and God takes away from those who do not live the RIGHT way.
I am a lawyer too if you would like to keep going I can go all day too but only with facts
In God WE TRUST , under GOD , God given rights , it does matter idiota
You do not read my emails you just see what you want to see
What do you do for a living ??? Who did you vote for ??
repuclican Ideals have never changed since lincoln , you do not communicate well with others, You do not listen, you just wait to talk
Do you want a pat on the back for paying your own way ??? That is what you are supposed to do
Can you stay on topic and divulge into some Political BS. I can't believe you guys continue to force your support for ILLEGAL Haitian immigration and want DOMINICANS to swallow your pillow at all cost. Dominicans will protest and we will continue excerise our right as a people and nation to defend our country from these Haitians who demand to be in a country ILLEGAL.
You gotta be kidding me. Haitians have no right to be in DR period.
Let the protest and deportation begin! Hopefully no blood shed but we have the right to defend our people, our country!!!!!
"TheTruth, or TheSoCalledTruth, you are perfect example of why most people cant have a decent discussion with right-wingers such as yourself."
This is what you said . TRUE or FALSE ?? while I was commenting on immigartion and you started with the BS my dear . Are you sure you do not have Alzhiemers ?
You said in your own words to me ; "You accuse me of calling you a right-winger without knowing who you are yet you assume I am a leftist socialist and someone who takes from society without knowing who I am?
I did not ACCUSE you of calling me that you dumb ass I took it from your own damn words to me that you cant even remember below !!!!!!!!!
"TheTruth, or TheSoCalledTruth, you are perfect example of why most people cant have a decent discussion with right-wingers such as yourself ( only a left wing socialist calls someone a right winger)
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You have proven that you cannot argue with an idiot because idiots cant remember what what they say because they dont talk with fact only opinion.
Dominicans can't allow Haitians on humantarian terms. It's a threat to our people and nation to undertake such a monumental task of allowing Haitians to migrate to our side. We are a third world country that can't handle a heavy influx of ILLEGAL Haitian migrants.
Build Haiti. That is the real solution. Have the absent Haitian Diaspora in conjunction with France, USA, and Canada contribute to the rebuilding of Haiti
www.fondationseguin.org
you need save the enviroment before you can save the people.
6 miilion hectares of soil is washed into the ocean from erosion in Haiti alone every year.
The island is getting smaller by the day and the population is growing faster than it ever has.
10,000 years from now Hispaniola will be the size of Puerrto Rico
stop planting your seeds in the cabana and start planting trees in the soil
That said , what are YOU DOMINICANS ( the generic american breed of DOMINICANS ) GOING TO DO ABOUT it since you have the answers ? Certainly your not accomplishing anything from the comforts of your easy chair that looks out the window at the sunsetting over the Grande Manzana .
I was on point til miss newark started the bs.
I tell the truth and state facts. If you cant handle the truth then you will never be set free from your influenced opinion by your own lack of knowledge of your country and its history.
why dont you all go to Youtube and watch everything you can about Napoleon Hill, Manly P Hall, W.Clement Stone, Bishop Fulton J Sheen , Andrew Carnagie Secret and The Secret ,
If you have not heard of theses people then you need to keep you arguments and your negative posts to yourselves regarding my comments and views because I know the truth and you do not..
Charity is the most powerful of faith hope and charity because it means that you are greatful and because you are greatful you are happy and you share.
later on amigos
But for the record and as someone who spends as much time as I do in the D.R , may I say that apart from the humanitarian aspect , I hate the situation as much as you . Weve been down this path too many times already people but were pissing into a tornado as usual .
True , the government has done and is doing nothing to prevent the spread of the Haitian invasion but why ? as they are the ones directly responsible for shutting the gate and guarding it and like it or not , Its too late to send 3 million of them back with the multitudes that are jumping the fence as we post nor is Leo likely to do anything about it in the future . The answer , and it may just be my opinion , is because the secret agenda of the foriegn powers that be is unification of Hispanola ..Never say never my friends , because imagine the scenario if an 8.5 were to rock santiago one day . Then see how many Dominicans would be running to the border for Uncle Willys help .
I went to Suffolk University here in Mass gradutaed 88 studied international Law ok MF
next to Havard it is the best law school in Mass
SInce you know it all ( the truth that is ), then you should know that the truth will set you free , not make you ignorant and stupid ..Adios Esquire !
How much do we miss EL JEFE?
You may be the only one correct about the truth . It truly has become a waste of time and I dont know why I keep letting myself get baited into coming back to it only to post the same old mierda with a new twist of lime .
Im out........
Yessssss
The people will do what the government refuses... it's time to cleanse the DR
jajjajajja
Are you serious???? That's what you Haitians want. It can't happen and there are Dominicans who will not allow that. No one has the right to be somewhere ILLEGAL. There are three million Haitians in DR and it's NOT to late to send them back.
The foreign powers have an agenda on the island and Haitians are spearheading the idea of unification. From the outset Haitians have always wanted a unification that's why the Dominican Republic was created to oppose such union.
That's why there are two nations on one island because Dominicans fought for there independence from Haiti. We are two distinct people with distinct cultures. We share obvious similarities but we are different people.
Build Haiti. All these Haitians with a false sense of pride. You need to build your country and ask for international help. Stop the discrimination against Haitians and unify.
Haitian Diaspora, where the hell are you?
The DR is not your enemy or answer to fix your Haiti Cherie.
Manly Palmer Hall - TURN OFF THE TELEVISION SET - youtube
This man used to fill Carnagie Hall and sell tickets for $50 dollars back in the 1930s which is about $700 today just to hear him speak the truth.
Please for God sake help yourselves do not live the lie told to you since birth.
If you take 8 minutes to listen to this it will change your life forever. If it does not then you are done
get out of the box
Once you present the facts as arguments you see that these posters don't have the intellect to continue the conversation. As evidence by changing the subject and attacking you for making such factual/logical comments.They suffer from a superior complex where they are all knowing.
I'm glad you are back on here. I miss your contributions to the site. Hope all has been well.
Our Dominican diaspora is very well connected to the Dominican Republic. We are not an absent diaspora that only contributions via remittances. We have businesses, homes, involved in politics, and frequently visit the DR. The Dominican diaspora is well informed on the happenings in the DR and contribute significantly to the well being of the nation. Don't mistake not living in DR as not making difference or as a disconnect from Dominican society. Our diaspora is far from disconnected!!!!
I've come to realized posting here is not going to change anything, this people are looking for a better life, and if the government doesn't do anything about their illegal activities there's not much we can do from behind our keyboard.
If the community wants to take matters into their own hands, is probably out of frustration of our incapable government.
You want the DR to accept 2 million ILLEGAL Haitians out of compassion???
You are CRAZY. No other country in the world would do that.
You call Dominicans racists for wanting to gain control of its borders and defend the nation from a failed state next door. At least Puerto Rico, the USA, EU does not share a border with the DR like Haiti does.
The situation is more complicated because we share an island. Borders need to be enforced and deportations need to happen like it does everywhere else in the world. Poor or not, that is the way its done everywhere else. Your race card is dispicable, seems like you have a complex.
Sovereignty has nothing to do with race. If the tables were turned, I'm sure Haitians would be upset and deporting Dominicans.
20,000 Dominicans vs. 2.5 million Haitians. Can't compare apples to oranges. The real problem is Haiti and Haitians are not doing anything to change it as you eloquently explained above.
....but they would go from one place to another, not out of DR.
I am an Independent not a republican . You make a busniess with your hard work and you should get to keep your money and not have ,be forced to give to those who do not want to work and stay home having babies and sending the money you do give them back home instead of keeping here in the USA economy.
i notice that you do not make any mention of having this hard earned money, to which you so wistfully refer, ending up in the hands of Wall Street tycoons. i guess that does not bother you quite as much as when it is directed to a destitute mother of 3 kids. but, give it to some looter and raider from Lehman Brothers, and all is well with the world.. i know your type....
You say that you're part Haitian. How did your Haitian side get to Trinidad and Tobago? Or are you Haitian on both sides and born in Trinidad and Tobago?
Also, while I understand that we Dominicans have many fellow Dominicans living in other parts of the world, Puerto Rico you mention. Has it ever occurred to you that given our Colonial past as Spanish Colonies and having families with multiple Spanish speaking nations, that these facts may just have something to do with our dispersal? Dominicans and Puerto Ricans have had a long pre-colonial relationship. The Great Puerto Rican Betances father was from the DR.
Furthermore, I believe that almost 100 years ago, before the advent of the Oil based world economy, many black Caribbeans made their living working part of the year in the sugar cane fields, including those in the Dominican Republic! In fact, many of our English surname Dominicans from the south, Duncan, Bell, etc., are descendants of these workers.
Certainly many on this site do not like what is happening today, nor the on going failure of that State and Nation to get its act together. And the Dominican Republic is getting a deflationary wage benefit that helps the rich and the developers at the expense of the Dominican working class, especially the poorer Dominicans who are forced into a losing battle against far cheaper Haitian labor input. The DR actually may be sacrificing developing a domestic middle class because of this process. This was the opinion of a French economist early this year.
I for one just want to see the Haitian ship finally leave the dock. Haiti can only be saved by her people. And the DR can not ever substitute for that lack of historical reconciliation.
"He also said a Haitian tried to rape a nine year old girl but when her relatives and other neighbors tried to expel him, he was protected by compatriots carrying guns.”......I'll say wait until they outnumber us!!!!
The Dominican people and specifically The Cibaenos de PURA CEPA must do and will do what needs to be done, enough is enough, and if the government is incompetent to protect us we must take the matter ourselves.... pa'lante Cibaenos only Cibaenos can do the task!!
My country needs to deport between 80 and 90 % of the Haitian illegals as is our sovereign right and our best interests for we did not create the mess in Haiti nor can we fix it. The only Haitians that should be in DR are those who enter with our PERMISSION and have legal documentation ,otherwise they should be picked up and dropped off in Haiti.
situations "but the Dominican Government is NOT completely 'innocent' either"
ME "Dominicans already getting screwed by our government and Haitians making it worse"
Bernard ,you attempt to appear intelligent but you fail in your analysis for comparing a Dominican entering the US over 95% LEGAL I may add to and representing an almost microscopic percentage of the US population to a massive entry by Haitians approaching 20% over 95% ILLEGAL is totally moronic! Add to that the fact that Dominicans never Dominated ,invaded multiple times and raped ,looted and burned the US and you have two TOTALLY different situations.
.Please your problem is not OUR problem (well you want to make it ours) so please GTF out of our territory!
Do you really think Dominicans don't want to truely help the Haitian people. It is to our benefit and best interests to see a prosperous Haiti. But what you and people like yourself want are unreasonable demands to forceably impose yourself upon us. We have done our part and will continue to help Haiti as much as we possibly can, but do not expect anymore then what we have already done and can deliver. You need to understand there is only one Jesus Christ and few Mother Teresa, but enough is enough.