From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
They dont make Jews like Jesus anymore
From: Dominican Republic
Maybe because it costs to much ,,, But really , is not the heart of the problem the problem of the heart ..? '' They dont make Jews like Jesus '' suggests that man is trying to make God in his own image, when at the very heart of Christianity is God changing man into the image of Christ . Before man is saved , his greatest need is to know and enter into a relationship with his creator , but afterwards, Gods ultimate purpose for that person is to transform them into the image of the one who saved them.. When God created Adam , He said'' Let us make man in our image and likeness '' The plan has not changed .. God is now re-making man into his image and likeness for those who would come to him by faith.
Written by: Belial, 4 Mar 2010 7:03 PM
From: United States, Texas
"James pastor Belial . The apostle himself wrote that '' faith without works is dead ' He continues by saying '' Show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith by my works , therefore faith without works is dead..'' This is not a contradiction to what Paul wrote '' that justification is by faith alone," Dominicanheartbeat insists.
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So, James says faith and works or divinity/ ethics.
But Paul says faith alone or divinity.
Heartbeat sees no contradiction, although Nazarenes used to burn up each other over this difference. The followers of Paul burned more followers of James than vice versa.
But Heartbeat sees no contradiction.
With Paul, faith, thur grace, may even save those whose works are all bad.
Heartbeat doesn't see the difference between necessary and accidental; so he confuses them.
James was right and Paul was wrong.
In deed, Witnesses are with James, with Paul in word.
Witnessses are more Nazarene than most Nazarenes.
Written by: Belial, 4 Mar 2010 7:17 PM
From: United States, Texas
So, James says faith without works is dead. Paul says faith alone saves.
Heartbeat, does the dead save, too?
James didn't seem to think so. And, the Witnesses don't seem to think so.
What Paul is talking about is the dead which can't even save itself ... with or without works.
The Witnesses are serious about save. To them, save is nothing to play with. To Witnesses, save says your must do something other than talk like an expert of divine beings.
Heartbeat, you're not an expert on divine beings, because you don't even know how get save. The Witnesses will never let you join them.
I hope the followers of your Nazarene sect send their Haitian relief money to the Witnesses, not to your sect where the money is unlikely to be used for good works, because your sect is dead ... most unlike the vivacious Witnesses.
Written by: Belial, 4 Mar 2010 7:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
GC,
"No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
A work of art.
Belial
From: Dominican Republic
News flash !
The JWS have just pushed Belial off of the 3rd floor balcony of the watch tower and he has apparently suffered a slight head laceration on the way down . Now he has a better excuse to bring the teacher to class tommorrow when she asks him if he read the homework assignment that Pastor Heartbeat gave him to research. Perhaps Blu will write the note for him lol. Dont worry Belial , they are still making that kool aide up in the Cibao if you find yourself dry heaving to an unquenchable spiritual thirst .
From: Dominican Republic
Belial wrote ;
'' because you dont even know how get save ''
Is your poetic justice inspired by Blutarskys ''work of art'' a result of the head injury or is the kool aide already starting to take affect ? Now lay down lil B..and papi will read you the forward section of '' Habana before Castro '' ,and if you start having visions of the bearded one flying around the Washington monument on his broomstick smoking a stogie , its only the fist stages of hallucination ..Now take another sip !
Written by: Belial, 4 Mar 2010 8:40 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dominicanheartbeat,
It is painful to many or most Nazarenes to face ethics in discourse or action. They switch the topic to divinity, talking about, among other things, their alleged relationship with a divine being(s) as if this alleged relationship substitutes for ethical performance or discourse.
Witnesses, whatever one thinks about their ideas about divintty, proudly perform and communicate in the sphere of ethics. They don't use their alleged relationships with divine beings to evade their duties under moral law.
From: Dominican Republic
Belial is now entering into convulsions accompanied by severe fever and diarreah of the mouth and finger tips , but he has still not even read the first greeting from the book of Romans, Galatians or James , lest God grant him repentance and he comes to the knowledge of the truth and be saved .
That is why the gospel is translated '' the good news '' in greek ''. There cannot be good news unless bad news existed first . The bad news was that under the law , all were condemned to death and guilty in the eyes of God and no amount of '' good works '' no matter how noble were enough to satisfy Gods judgement . For a man to be justified by the law and good works , he would have to of lived the life that Jesus lived and that is a perfect and sinless life .. The good news is that Christ in His life and death took the handwriting of the law that was against us and nailed it to His cross therefore filling the requirements of the law for us .
From: Dominican Republic
The law was given as a school master to lead us to Christ . In other words , God gave us the law to show us that we could not keep it . The good news is that man does not have to work for his salvation , but only ask for it and believe it by faith in the work of Jesus. It is a free gift lest any man should boast . By grace , we mean that it is Gods unmerited favor . Jesus said ''this is the work of God , that you believe on the name of His son who He sent "" .. This is too easy for the intellect today just as it was in Pauls time ..Jesus said unless you become as a little child you cannot see the Kingdom of God ...
A wedding ring on a persons finger does not marry that person , but only outwardly symbolizes an inward reality , correct ? In the same way Belial , A believers works do not save him , they only prove that he already is a believer . His outer visible works are the proof of an inward living reality and the saving faith he professes to have ...
From: Dominican Republic
The law was given as a school master to lead us to Christ . In other words , God gave us the law to show us that we could not keep it . The good news is that man does not have to work for his salvation , but only ask for it and believe it by faith in the work of Jesus. It is a free gift lest any man should boast . By grace , we mean that it is Gods unmerited favor . Jesus said ''this is the work of God , that you believe on the name of His son who sent "" .. This is too easy for the intellect today just as it was in Pauls time ..Jesus said unless you become as a little child you cannot see the Kingdom of God ...
A wedding ring on a persons finger does not marry that person , but only outwardly symbolizes an inward reality , correct ? In the same way Belial , A believers works do not save him , they only prove that he already is a believer . His outer visible works are the proof of an inward living reality and the saving faith he professes to have ...
From: United States
The spirit of faith involves believing, receiving, and confessing the promises of God. That's one side of the faith coin. The other side is that there must be corresponding actions to what you believe, which involves obedience to what God has told you to do. To tell someone to be warmed and filled and not provide for the individual's practical needs is of no benefit.
From: Dominican Republic
Well Mr G,
HAVE YOU FINALLY taken your little finger out of yours ?
I would certainly consider it bad news for anybody that thinks that if they ''do enough good works '', they might be lucky enough to get one of the only 144,000 seats available on the last space shuttle to the new mother earth . ( and you thought the 70 virgins was off the wall ). These poor J.Ws are trying to earn a lottery ticket that they cant cash in for thier good works . How sad . A person can do all the right things for all the wrong reasons , and if those works are being done to bring glory to ourselves and not God, then we do them in vain . I would rather take the train of grace in to glory with a guarantee .
From: Dominican Republic
'' Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness '' However , James says, that we see this faith being acted upon when he offered his son Isaac to be sacrificed . Faith was coupled with his works ..
Its very simple . If we say we have faith and it produces no good works in our lives , then we have to question if we have really come to the knowledge of the truth ..Anyone who says they have faith and thier life remains unchanged should as Paul said'' examine themselves to see if they are in the faith ''.
From: Dominican Republic
Read the book first Mr. Sharpton of the watch tower and then lets talk .. Anyone who knows the word like yourself and still supports the beliefs of a cult like the J.WS is as dangerous as a Jim Jones. The devil knows scripture better than all of us but he is still the devil ..Perhaps they have thrown you off the 5th floor of the tower and you have drank the kool aid as well you twit ..If you see a contradiction , then its clear that your head and little finger are still 3 feet engaged up your cakes . Would you like me to send you a group photo of me and the Js that hang out on my corner every Saturday morning that I preach the gospel to after having read thier propaganda more than once ? I have a good one of me petting the baby tiger ..I suggest you put your hooker from Charamicos to bed and go back and read each book of Pauls epistles and my posts again before you try and lock antlers with me friend . I have been consistent at every point .
From: United States
What does it say about a person when they can read a article about good things being done for these people who have lost so much. And all they can do is post negative, slanderous this about people who they have never met. Should we not be happy that these people who are in need are getting the help that they need from people all around the world.
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: Donald Elwell, Byron Smith
Are these new repoters on the DT payroll?
What amazes me is how JW's have suddenly changed their tune. They've always been an exclusive religious movement, and according to this piece now they espouse the Millenium "unity" consolidation trend. Sounds like they've joined the United Nations and the World Council of Churches over the weekend.
On another note--on one of my recent trips to La Capital, I was impressed by a majestic edifice within a fenced pristine green lawn compound. Heck, my brother is a Mormon LDS, now;
What is going on? Several scores ago they were strictly a Caucasian British Israel religion? Sounds like even the LDS's and JW's have been drinking at the Vatican 2 Ecumenical well (Babylon water).
Funny, How things change?
Yesterday it was a solemn hymn, today it's an "inclusive" world beat number......WE are the World........we are the children....!
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: trutoday, 4 Mar 2010 2:00 PM
From: Canada
The origin of all Watchtower teachings that makes them unique over all other religions is their creed of Jesus second coming 'invisibly' in the year 1914.
The Jehovah's Witnesses actually have roots with the Seventh Day Adventist, they both have common origin in the William Miller apocalyptic movement of the 18th century.
trutoday:
You are partially right on the JW's. My grandpa, and my aunt were JW's. I've known these folks for a few years. The return of Jesus Christ in 1914 in secret is one of their strangest doctrines.
On the common origin with Seventh day Adventist: I disagree. That the father- of the founder of the early JW movement Taze Russell was a Millerite, doesn't imply that they share a common origin! During the mid of the 19 Century thousands of people joined William Miller's Movement (of which the SDA's directly trace their roots) to await Jesus' return. In 1844 most abandoned the movement.
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Continues:
William Miller's Movement called people out of all the dead churches in America to await the imminent return of Jesus Christ in His Second Advent. That's how they took the name Adventists, by anticipating the Lord's return. William Miller organized revival rallies around New York state, New England, the Northeast; There were several thousands who abandoned the Mainline Protestant Churches. The Church of God was born out of the ADVENT movement, but, became British Israel believers....However, the JW's did not originate from the Seventh day Adventist movement; That is a gross assumption. Mormons, JW's and even the Bahai movement began around the mid 1800's. It was an interesting time, but, William Miller miscalcualted Jesus' return, therefore the movement faded out...A small remnant eventually accepted the Sabbath (7th Day), a few years after Miller passed. 1844 was a special year indeed.
A nation was also born...
Mi Quisqueya!
trutoday you're 1/2 right.
Written by: Solomon, 5 Mar 2010 5:05 AM
From: Bermuda
NOTICE: Jehovah's Witnesses Shills practice willful deception (LYING for GOD) it's a protocol the Watchtower calls *theocratic warfare*.
How so? Read back at some of these offensive post by posters who imply that they are not active JW members but "neutral" observers.
They are lying as they are real JW who are shilling ....scientology pulls this same stunt.YES JW lie and lie and lie they just can't seem to stop it as all they can do now is bash critics as their daffy doctrines cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Shame same shame....
Written by: ibolele, 5 Mar 2010 6:26 AM
From: United States, Brooklyn,NY,USA
I thought that Trujillo declared the Jehovah Witness persona non grata in the DR. How come they find their way back?
From: United States
( Love bombing is the deliberate show of affection or friendship by an individual or a group of people toward another individual until.... )
Please ...please know what "LOVE BOMBING" is, look it up before you get involved with Jehovah's Witnesses and similar groups.
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore ,
Come out come out where ever you are ? Maybe our '' nuetral observer '' is singing chorsus of '' all along the watch tower '' this morning as he trys to recover from the kool aide and a fresh case of genital warts ..Maybe he has convinced his colleagues to create a 145th thousandth seat so he too can be one of those lucky few that get to carry his pet bear cub into the enchanted garden after he has helped enough old ladies across the street.
Too bad the internet cafe closed at 9.30 last night G., but being the scholar that you are ,iF YOU HAVE RE-READ MY POSTS, you will discover that everything I have said is a direct quotation from the word of God verbatim and not words of myself ...Therefore , if you see contradictions or incosistincies( and I wish you would point those out so I would stand corrected) then your problem is not with me , but rather with the Holy Spirit who wrote these words ...
From: Dominican Republic
Finally Mr. Sharpton ,
You can kindly point out to me and Belial where we are guilty of hate crimes in the first degree. Talk about ignorance.
I think I was very clear that you were in agreement with me when I quoted James 3 '' Show me your faith without works but I will show you my faith by my works''. I gave the wedding ring analogy . I said '' a ring on my finger does not marry me but it only proves to the world that I am . The vows are what marry a couple . The wedding ring ( like baptism) is only an outward sign of an inward reality. In the same way, Faith without works is dead . I cannot see faith in someones heart even if I hear thier words , however, I can see thier actions which speak much louder about what they profess.. If you read the context , James went on to say,''you believe in God , you do well for even the devils believe in one God and tremble ''. What he is saying is that Many people claim to believe in Christ but are not truly His, True faith looks like something.
From: Dominican Republic
Paul said ''Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness '' James supports this .. How do we know that Abraham believed God ? Because his works , wrought with his faith made that faith perfect . In other words, Abe acted on what he believed . His faith produced action in his life . The J.ws are trying and striving with no guarantee to get into the promised land by good behaviour and cub scout deeds , but a true child of God who claims to be saved by grace is doing his good works because he already has his salvation and those good works and changed lifestyle is the proof and the outworking of that . His good works are not saving him but they are producing rewards , and these works are his response of worship and gratitude for what God has done for him. Jesus Himself said '' not everyone who says to me ''Lord Lord will enter in to my Fathers kingdom '' but only those who did His will ..In short , Good works are the default bi product of a genuine faith in Jesus..
Written by: Paulc, 5 Mar 2010 12:42 PM
From: United States
Dominican Republic:
You're headed in the right direction with your studies... I would encourage 1cor4:6
: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. 7 For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]?
Take Care....
From: Dominican Republic
Paul,
Thank you for a true Spirit given word of exhortation that I have taken to heart.. Paul said '' if I must boast , I will boast in my weaknesses '' ..I admit and confess that so much of the time I love to step on my fragile soap box made of tooth picks and give my eggshell ego a shot of botox , but God in His tender mercies is always faithful to let Humpty Dumpty fall of his great wall once in a while to keep things in perspective .. God Bless....
Written by: Belial, 5 Mar 2010 2:31 PM
From: United States, Texas
Clearly, the mass of the Witnesses are ethical people and their works in Haiti attest to their worth. But lamentably, every Nazarene sect seems to have its lunatic element.
Written by: Belial, 5 Mar 2010 5:52 PM
From: United States, Texas
Witnesses argue for the unusual view that many intravenous procedures are forms of "eating."
Intravenous usually refers to giving medications, food, or fluids through a needle or tube inserted into a vein, which allows immediate access to the blood supply.
Written by: Solomon, 6 Mar 2010 5:46 AM
From: Bermuda
Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT always "maintain fine conduct" they have lots of internal domestic turmoil the biggest turnover of followers who just up and leave because it's is so oppressive to be in the Watchtower false Gospel.
Once in a while they have an orchestrate media puff piece like this article that ignores their terrible internal strife.
From: Dominican Republic
Belial has been drinking his kool aide from the bottom of the vat and has recently re-started his potty training rituals but still continues to flash his ignorance as a high diver jumping into an 8 ounce glass of water ..
Belial, unless or until you have read the book for youself I suggest you stay on the topic of anti -imperialism and beings that its obvious that you dont do the research before farting out of your pie hole , one has to wonder if there is any credibility to ANYTHING YOU TRY TO SELL YOUR AUDIENCE about any issue for that matter....Its Saturday morning Belial and I think Papa Smurfs repeats will be on for you shortly..
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore is still trying to dig a road through Leos potholes for himself into the land of glory the same way a Jap digs his way to China......
Its obvious you are an imposter AND a veil mender AS YOUR WORDS HAVE GIVEN YOU AWAY ......
What is so hard to understand about '' I will Show you my faith by my works ' ?..You see these innocent little Jws preaching thier kool aid recipes in the streets as harmless as doves and YOU buy a YEARS SUPPLY OF THE POWDER MIX ....tHE DEVIL ALWAYS COMES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT AND AS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.
When Jesus was dying on the cross ,there were 2 thieves on each of his side crucified with Him . The one thief before he took his final breath said '' Lord ,remember me when you come into your kingdom'' .Jesus replied, I tell you the truth that today you will be with me in paradise''.. This man would never get baptized , put money in the offering tray or help one homeless person . The symbolizm is that his hands were literally tied
From: Dominican Republic
Continued,
and he could and did do nothing to earn his salvation . It was a total transaction of faith ..Or havent you read on more than 1 account when for example ,the women caught in adultery came weeping before Jesus and He said , daughter be of good cheer , YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED YOU , now go and sin no more... Jesus did not add any additional burdens or requirements . Romans says that '' If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead ,you will be saved '' It does not say that if you go witnessing with your propagand literature and help Haitians out from under the rubble and 1000 old ladies across the street you will be saved.....
However, And I will finally rest my case.. If this faith I say I have is a true saving faith , then Its going to prove itself in the things that I do , not in the things that I say .. James is seperating the men from the boys ..'' I will show you my faith by my works ''
Written by: woody60, 6 Mar 2010 11:43 AM
From: Ireland
You know I find this whole thread very strange.
Here is a report about a group of people who seem to be doing something positive about a hopeless situation - and 90% of the posts seem to be vilifying them for their beliefs!
What's the connection?
Instead of negative comments, wouldn't a few words of appreciation and a question "what am I and/or my religion doing to help the situation in Haiti?" be more constructive?
From: Dominican Republic
''THE PRAYERS OF A RIGHTEOUS MAN AVAIL MUCH '' much more than 144,000 J,ws building a watch tower in Port Au Prince..
Written by: Belial, 6 Mar 2010 12:06 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Belial has been drinking his kool aide from the bottom of the vat and has recently re-started his potty training rituals but still continues to flash his ignorance as a high diver jumping into an 8 ounce glass of water .. Belial, unless or until you have read the book for youself I suggest you stay on the topic of anti -imperialism and beings that its obvious that you dont do the research before farting out of your pie hole , one has to wonder if there is any credibility to ANYTHING YOU TRY TO SELL YOUR AUDIENCE about any issue for that matter....Its Saturday morning Belial and I think Papa Smurfs repeats will be on for you shortly," Dominicanheartbeat explodes with odious
comments.
oooo
This lack of ethics and taste on Heartbeat's part exemplifies and typifies the moral depths to which this repulsive and reactionary sector of the Nazarene movement has sunk. Bereft of ethics, taste, and class, these Nazarene reactionaries cling to a divinity which they never observe in works.
From: Dominican Republic
oooo Belial.
Your Nazerene was crucified, not hung !
I will quote the Lord again,
'' When you do your good deeds '' dont be like the hypocrties that want to be seen and recieve glory from men. I tell you the truth ! They already have thier reward. '' But you, when you do your good deeds , dont let your right hand know what the left hand is doing and dont blow the trumpet on the street corner for all to see, but do your deeds in secret andyour Father who sees in secret will reward you openly ..''
Belial , even if I have fed 1000 homeless people on the beaches of Miami where I live , you nor anyone else is going to know about it so that God and not myself is glorified by these works ...I do the works I do not to ''get saved '' but because I already am .. Do you still fail to see the difference.. Im sorry , but you will not be able to use Heartbeats lack of moral performance that failed to live up to your expectations on the Day you stand before the throne of almighty God and
Written by: Solomon, 6 Mar 2010 1:14 PM
From: Bermuda
Jehovah's Witnesses bosses are exploiting the Haitian disaster to promote their ministry.
They pulled the same scam in the US hurricane Katrina they rebuilt a few homes with their volunteer labor force and the Watchtower 'took' the insurance money as a 'contribution.
Don't get me wrong there are humanitarian loving JW's it's their predatory leadership that is wicked just like with Jim Jones his followers were good he was not.
From: Dominican Republic
cont,
and the very fact that you are holding to a divine standard of moral excellence is the very proof that you yourself have a ''code of ethics'' that you believe all mankind is accountable for living up to so the question is what is your excuse for not subscribing ? The very barometer you are using to judge my lack of divine performance proves that you yourself have one and that is what God is going to use to judge you , who has unwittingly backed himself into a corner and is without excuse..In other words , you by your own admission , you claim to know what a ''True Nazerene'' should look like and you know for sure that He does not look like Heartbeat . Therefore , I suggest you start conferring with your Nazerene and asking Him to help you live the life you claim to know how others should be living ...ooooooo hypocrite !
Written by: Belial, 6 Mar 2010 2:35 PM
From: United States, Texas
Crucify seems to mean to put to death by nailing or binding the hands and feet to a cross.
If this is the case, then what happened to the Nazarene was only a hanging ... similar to what is happening here to the Witnesses ... and not a crucifiction.
After all, no divine being or even a semi-devine being can be "put to death" because immortality ... the absolute inability to die ... belongs to the essence of a divine being.
What's more, all divine beings, including the Nazarene, have the power to do miracles or the power to violate laws of nature. If the separation of the spirit and flesh ... that is, death .... happens to a divine being and if all the divine being has to do is a miracle to re-unite his spirit and flesh, then clearly his "death" was a trick because the "decresed" knew he could come back, at any time, by violating natural law.
So, since the Nazarene, being wholly or partly divine, wasn't "put to death," he, like the Witnesses in this forum, was only hung.
From: Dominican Republic
Here's an article full of positive and factual accounts that pertain to a little-understood minority. But so much irrelevance among many so hateful comments. Well, I suppose the Witnesses don't mind... just creates more curiosity and more people open their doors to find out why. I wish them well and thank them for their Christ-like example after Haiti's disaster.
From: United States
Solomon incorrectly said: "Jehovah's Witnesses bosses are exploiting the Haitian disaster to promote their ministry."
Dominicanheartbeat and Solomon-there is nothing Christian about your insults and slanderous tongue lashing against honorable people who live quiet and peaceful lives. Other then their door-to-door preaching, they keep to themselves and are basically low key. You never hardlly ever see the Watch Tower organization intentionally doing any type of PR promotions to favor their cause like most other religious groups. And if it were at all true, the JW rather get more negative press then positive, due to their unothodox religious practices, so don't come here to spread unsubtantiated rumors, when in fact it is totally the opposite. Keep your statements as close to fact as possible, and try to keep your HATE inside, don't slash out at inoffensive people, just because both of you have some personal issues against them.
From: United States
Solomon how preposterous of you to even compare the JW with Rev Jim Jones, a leader who exemplifies the true nature and real definition of what is a cult. Come on now both you and Dominicanheartbeat have a personal vendetta against the JW. It is like a witch hunt, which goes beyond just a debate because of differences of opinion.
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore is telling his followers from Los Charimicos to give him 10,000 pesos before the weeks end or God is going to kill him........Now come out of the tower with both hands up imposter....
From: Dominican Republic
And our research analyst still has not read !
What do you call the ressurection ? Death could not contain your Nazerene for he destroyed the power of death when HE ROSE FROM IT . sAY HI TO uNCLE RAUL FOR ME....
From: United States
dominicanheartbeat-I am a JW sympathizer, support and admire their work. But I also sympathize with people who are true to their faith and sincere in beliefs. who are willing to suffer and withstand religious persecution for something which they hold sacred. In addition to the JW who experienced torture, imprisonment, opposition and persecution, human slaughter or were just plain beaten to death, I also sympathize with the Pilgrims, Puritans, early Christians, quakers, Ammish, Mennonites and a whole long list of religious believers who paid the price by holding and staying true to their faith in God and his son Jesus Christ. And I even support the Jews, who suffered the same, but have yet not accepted JC as savior. dominicanheartbeat learn from the Lord who forgave and gave his life as ransome sacrifice to believers and non-belivers alike-And stop being so sarcastic and learn the definition of what it means to be a true Christian.-Amen
Written by: Solomon, 8 Mar 2010 2:57 AM
From: Bermuda
It's a contradiction that the Jehovah's Witnesses claim billions of hours of door to door outreach personal proselytizing and then go and plead that they are a misunderstood minority this is a paradox indeed.
You have a bad reputation that is your own doing and undoing.The public and many Watchtower fraud victims know JW as wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:16)
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore and Belial come to the ring each morning and weigh in with the spirit of Rocky , but the saga ended after 6 episodes ... I admit that there is something admirable about people that insist on going 15 rounds after they have already been knocked out in the first.
Its intresting that the Jws , ALONG WITH THIER WATCH TOWER PROPAGANDA and kool aid recipes carry virtually the same bible as True BELIEVERS.... and yet they choose to make slight convienient alterations such as '' In the beginning the word was a god '' instead of the word was God '' and became flesh .. However , they still rely upon the watchtower philosophys and deceptions that they have fallen victim to instead of the inspired word of God to support thier faith in who knows what ...Paul wrote in Galatians .'' I f any man or even an angel preaches a differerent gospel than the one we have preached , let him be cursed (anathama) meaning condemned to the lowest hell.I suppose Paul was guilty of hate crimes also G.?
From: United States
Please give examples of the "paradox" which you refer and what exactly make the JW "wolves in sheep's clothing"? Because my overall personal experience has been totally the opposite or are you giving a subjective opinion?
Nevertheless, Solomon I can only tell you one thing, some paradoxes are unexpected but perfectly logical and may appear to be falsidical at first, but are seemingly valid, demonstrations of what can be, but is not necesarily an absurd contradiction.
From: Dominican Republic
Beloved Belial who has still not read the Gospel of Matthew, Mark , Luke OR John insists that he knows and understands the pathways to higher stages of enlightenment as he and G CONTINUE TO knock on my door on thier visitation route with girl scout cookies in one hand and a watch tower brochure in the other ...
Belial, the Nazerene was both human and divine by His own choosing and when He allowed His humanity to be tortured and killed for mans sake it was only His Humanity that was killed , not His divinity . That Divinity would rise again to new life in a glorified eternal body that would never see death..The one who authored life willingly chose to humble Himself , take on human flesh and subject Himself to every temptation and trial that His creation did so that He could empathize with us and take away our excuses .If God was small enough to understand He would not be big enough to worship nor do I try to understand things to great for my pea brain intelllect..
From: Dominican Republic
Well G ,
You obviously dont read either my friend , and please know that I participate on this forum for enjoyment and intellectual stimulation , not to hurt or disrespect anybody so forgive me if I have,but Remember ! You opened the bidding by calling myself and Belial '' assholes '' being the fine Christian that you are.
Hey, maybe I am wrong ? Afterall . why would you take my or anybodys word for anything when it comes to the eternal state of your soul ? Read the word of God for yourself and then line it up against what the Wolves are teaching and ask God to give you discernment if you are so sure that they are building a watchtower for Christ...The bible does say '' That the things of the Spirit are foolishness to those that are perishing'' so where do you stand G ? The word is enough to prove itself and that is why we have 4 different accounts of the life of one person who bore witness to these things .. Hell, you couldnt get 4 different consistent accounts of your last Pres.
From: United States
dominicanheartbeat-At this point it is YOU the one who lost credibility from the very beginning with your non-christian attitude, your hate, mean-sarcasm, insults, slanderous, tongue lashing posts against a group of people who are genuine and sincere in their faiths.
And if there is anybody GUILTY of preaching a different gospel it is YOU dominicanheartbeat. Jesus Christ preached the spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.(Gal 5:22-23) Exactly what you LACK and have not done from the time you opened your mouth, since YOUR very first post. But that is OK you can do and say what ever you want, you will be saved by "GRACE."
I just don't see how being nasty, makes you automatically a self-righteous person. What is the benefit of being RUDE as your comments so negatively show.
From: Dominican Republic
Tighten you mask or get a new sheep suit Gullable because your fangs and claws are starting to show lol.. BTW, do you drink your kool aid through a straw after you have suited up ? lol lol lol . Be careful G, another afterschock has been reported and your watchtower that sits on a cardboard foundation will soon be tumbling down and your ignorance will be under the rubble ...
From: United States
"But I see a bunch of you assholes calling them all kinds of names." How interesting to see how you took my blanket comment which, I did not specifically directed to YOU, yet took it so personal. I wonder why?
I never called myself a "fine Christian that you are." I only and simply sympathize with people who whether right or wrong are trying to do good but people like you attempt to discredit the things that they do and instead of trying to help them see the light, become bullies and with your hate just want to CRUSH them. You dominicanheartbeat are a BULLY. Jesus Christ preached forgiveness, fairness and justice. None of those things have been demonstrated in any of your posts. That is why regardless of whether or not you make valid statements, it just holds no weight.
From: United States
Keep up with your SARCASM it will only help everyone see your true light. Keep it up and eventually you will end up eating your own vomit.
From: Dominican Republic
I think that as non-JW's we may do better to heed the advice of Gamaliel at Acts 5:38,39: "Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."
Written by: Belial, 8 Mar 2010 6:40 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I think that as non-JW's we may do better to heed the advice of Gamaliel at Acts 5:38,39: "Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God," Needgreat advises.
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Acts 5:38,39 is a bit self-serving, for, the passage argues, if certain works come to nought, then these works are of men. But if these works can't be overtnrown, they are of God.
Hasn't the world come to nought? Isn't the world the work of men? If so, then who or what is this "creator" of the world whose work has come to nought? Either the world has not come to nought or the world is not a work of God.
Please pick.
Needgreat, the basic presupposition of Acts 5:38:39 is that the works of men always come to nought. Does this presupposition describe your own life experiences?
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, but you men have no biblical basis for who and what the JWS STAND FOR AND YOU ARE ALL OUT OF CONTEXT where as everything I am pointing out can be biblically supported...Galamiel was talking about the true Apostles that were preaching the true one and only gospel as they built the Kingdom of God , not a watchtower. Along with Paul, who proclaimed an eternal curse on those that preached a different gospel than what he preached, read the epistles of Peter and see how much love and tolerance he had for ''false prophets'' and false man made doctrines if you are up for the challenge gentlemen, and then you can acuse me of being an intolerant hate monger ..Dont forget that there are more warnings about false prophets in the last days than any other topic in the New Testament and Peter himself was subject to 3 years of deception having Judas Iscariott amongst the 12 chosen ..Nobody would have expected Judas ''and his good works to be the anti-Christ of the mob.
From: Dominican Republic
Belial ,
There is hope for you still my friend lol.... Jesus ''the Nazerene '' died for your sins also because He loves you and wants to spend eternity with you..'' While we were dead in our tresspasses and sins Christ died for us''. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and God hath raised Him from the dead , you will be saved ''. But remember that faith is a verb . The saving faith we talk about is not an intellectual ascent to the mere facts. This faith involves a transaction (or a work if you will) that must be acted upon to demonstrate its validity.. The word believe or to trust in this context , means to totally hand over the reigns and the rights to yourself to the Lordship of Christ and make yourself subject to His will and glory and not your own. Just like heat is the natural '' work'' or bi-product of the sun , so is a change of heart , attitude and lifestyle a bi-product of faith which will be evident in the things you say you believe.
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore,
It seems to me that you have a hard time swallowing 'the grace of God'' and are even resentful and jealous of my liberty ...Afterall, if salvation is by grace through faith alone, then that means Guillemore is not such a great guy afterall ..All of those potholes you have been filling in Charamicos along with all of those old ladies you help across the street have availed your ego nothing with the exception of an injection of botox and pride that you are using to enhance your resume of good deeds that you are preparing to sell the Almighty at the judgement seat when you try to convince Him why He should let you through the pearly gates on that day..
God writes through Isaiah writes that '' All of our righteousness is as filthy rags ''The Hebrew translation literally means shit stained garments and used menstrual clothes. Check it out if you dont believe me ..Paul wrote'' There is none righteous , for ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short of the glory of God ''..
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore,
The point is this ..Paul wrote'' any man who wishes to be justified by the law is a debtor to keep the whole law ''. James wrote that '' He who offends in one point of the law is guilty of the whole law ''
If good works (or keeping the law ) can save a man, then what is Gods standard and just how many good works does a man have to do to earn his way into heaven ? The answer is found in Jesus Christ , who not only died for us , but lived the perfect life for us that we are unable to live , therefore fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law in His life and nailing the penalty of it to His cross in His death , so that we by faith , can have His perfect righteousness acredited to our account on the basis of what He did just by believing and asking. ''Whoevercalls on the name of the Lord will be saved ''. The bottom line is that Gods standard is perfection G. If you wish to get to heaven by your good works in the hopes that your own goodness can save you , then you
From: Dominican Republic
Cont,
then you have to live the same sinless and perfect life that Jesus lived .. Can you do that ? Neither can I...That is why salvation is by grace through faith ..Jesus said'' if you even look at a women to lust after her in your heart you are guilty of adultery and if you hate your brother without a cause are guilty of murder...What He is saying is that sin is an attitude and fallen condition of our hearts , that is made evident in our actions .. Stealing a horse does not make a man a horse thief , it only proves that he is ... Paul himself thought he was the exception until he came to the part of the law that said ''thou shalt not covet ''....
From: Dominican Republic
''Amazing grace , so sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me ,
I once was lost but now Im found ,was blind but now I see...''
Nobody stumbled over the concept of Gods grace more than the ones that it was initially intended for . The Jews ! Gods chosen seed..However , Paul wrote that salvation by grace came to the Gentiles first to provoke the Jews (who thought they were such good law keepers ) to jealousy ..
The problem people like Guillemore have with Gods grace is that it brings God up and brings man down .. At the very heart and purpose of Grace is not only Gods goodness, mercy and lovingkindness , but the extinction of any boasting a man thinks he has in his own gooodness .. It is a pride killer .. A man will not 'be saved until or unless he realizes his need to be saved and even this is a gift of God as the scripture says that '' Satan the god of this world has blinded the eyes of men that they might not come to theknowledge of the truth ''...
From: Dominican Republic
That is why the gospel means '' good news'' . No longer does a man have to strive and work his way back into right standing with God to try and appease or please Him BECAUSE THE WRATH OF God that WE DESERVE was satisfied in the death of His son ..Praise God that He took our punishment on himself.
That is why true Christianity is said to be relationship , not religion. The word religion in latin is translated ''re lin geary'' which means to re-link '' .. Ever since the fall of man , man has been trying to re-link himself to God through and by his good religious works and rituals while being plagued with the guilt and burden of wondering if it will ever be enough . We live in a performance based society and have been programmed since our youths that '' good behaviour earns good rewards'' so its no surprise that when the King of The Universe offers us the free gift of eternal life just by believing and asking that we stumble over this and scratch our heads as we ask ''whats the catch''.
From: Dominican Republic
'Its the kindness of God that leads to repentance ''
Yes , Jesus died to destroy the power of sin and death and to destroy the works of the devil and to set you and I free from the curse of the law that had sentenced us all to death , but the primary purpose of the cross was to restore and secure Gods children to an eternal relationhip and inheritance that He desires for us to share with Him as our loving heavenly Father ... As one author wrote'' If we look at the cross as a''get out of hell free card than we rob it of its power '' The cross and work of Christ on Calvary was primarily intended to restore what Adam lost in Eden , and that was the fellowship and love relationship that God once had with mankind before the fall ..
''Today is the day of salvation '' it is written .. Will you humble yourself and recieve His offer of life and pardon and enter into an eternal love relationship with your Heavenly Father who created your soul , or will you reject His offer and spend an
From: Dominican Republic
Cont,
eternity seperated from His love and presence in a place that was created for the devil and his angels by a choice of your own free will .? Know this ! Many that plan on seeking God at midnight die at 10.30 ...and then you will not be able to say to Him that you never heard the truth that sets man free.
From: Dominican Republic
The beginning of the words of his mouth [is] foolishness: and the end of his talk [is] mischievous madness.
A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?
Eccl. 10:13,14
From: Dominican Republic
Too much time reading the watchtower my friend ! Your NEED IS TRULY GREAT !
From: United States
EXCELLENT pkusa-You have truly stated unbiased spiritual words of wisdom. I applaud you, THANK!!!
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-I believe in the grace of God, the issue here, is not that, I never questioned the validity of this biblical concept. What you missed and lost from the very start is your unjustified abusive and venemous language against an also worthy children of God, who made the effort to help others in need. I do not appreciate bullies like you who misuse the bible as a wip against people who are trying to do good. This is simply unacceptable. Period
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PS-You were very efficient in the use of your biblical quotes, but lacked effectiiveness. Best Regards, it was fun while it lasted. Good bye over and out.................................
From: Dominican Republic
I may have missed it, but I wondered if anyone here had noted the significance in the rather unusual name choice of "Belial."
Written by: Belial, 10 Mar 2010 12:29 AM
From: United States, Texas
" I may have missed it, but I wondered if a'nyone here had noted the significance in the rather unusual name choice of Belial,' " Needgreat asks with mock curiosity.
oooo
Surely, in our age, you lend no credence to the gibberish of Zionist cave men when there is before us today a magnificent text?
oooo
DO YOU KNOW MY NAME?
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
(woo woo)
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
(woo woo, woo woo)
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
(woo woo)
oooo
Have you ever encountered a better piece of literature, whether divine or worldly?
What is your name?
My name is Bond ... James Bond.
I've heard of you.
Woo woo.
From: Dominican Republic
"For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" 2 Cor 6:14,15 (KJV)
Written by: Belial, 10 Mar 2010 2:01 AM
From: United States, Texas
"Exactly. You have no power here. "For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" 2 Cor 6:14,15 (KJV)," Needgreat again shows his biblical erudition, but this time with a free hand.
oooo
I believe in good works for the sake of good works even in the absence of a big juicy bribe such as eternal life in paradise.
If I get eternal life in paradise, then great.
But if I don't get it, well ... that's the way the cookie crumbles.
I'll do eternal life or time elsewhere.
As for this righteousness which you throw in my face, there is none righteous, including you. No, not one.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
why doesnt some body throw some stones at the Rastafarian's beliefs ? ........that is some really weird stuff nobody criticizes because they dont want to be called racist .....But they are NUTTY with a capital N and usually dumbasses and opportunists....... few are legitimate believers of anything except getting stoned .....They are stranger than Belial and high as well
From: Dominican Republic
Paul wrote '' should we continue to live in sin that grace may abound ? God forbid '' How can we who are dead to sin continue to live in it ..'' PLEASE READ THE EPISTLES OF PAUL people because
on the contrary , the grace of God does not excuse , but rather calls the true believer out and challenges him to a higher standard of moral living because he has been enlightened.. And now, because he is under the safety net of grace , he has no excuse for not trying to live the best life he possibly can because when he does fail , he has the net to catch him.
. Sadly, the modern day Christian uses and abuses the grace of God like they do thier daddys visa with an unlimited credit line . Like the Corinthians that Paul rebuked ,they live however they choose and say ''hey ,dont judge me brother because Im under grace ''. These are the ones we need to question if wether or not they actually have tasted the goodness of God '' Holiness should be a believers response to the grace of God..
From: Dominican Republic
Belial,
If heaven and hell are not real then everything and anything we do on this earth has no value whatsoever and we should live and do whatever we please .. Even the Apostle Paul wrote '' If our hope is in this life only and Christ has not ressurected , then we are still dead in our sins and to be pitied more then any ..Lets eat and drink for tommorrow we die.''
If heaven and hell are not real and when we die we die , then I would be a fool to not be spending every last breath I have on the shore lines of Sosua with a different chica under my arm and in my bed every night because in the end there is no one to answer to..
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore wrote ''I never questioned the validity of this biblical concept ''
You are a greater waffler than Mr. Clinton lol..and I believe that if everyone re-read your posts they would see NOT ONLY THE FANGS , BUT the waffle house thats being built next to the watchtower AS WELL...
Please point out my ''hate crimes '' to me so that I may repent , but first read second Peter and his love letter to the false prophets before you come back to me with your unfounded facts...
From: Dominican Republic
Belial.
Paul wrote '' that he himself was the chief of sinners ''..This guy used to torture and persecute the early church before his conversion .. I too admit that I am an unrighteous , filthy sinner who cannot save himself no matter how many good things I do , because if Gods standard is perfection , then my thought life alone sentences me to death and there is no hope ... Take hold of the lift persever of grace while its being offered to you my friend .. Grace is not cheap Belial ! It costs us nothing but it cost Almighty God everything when He sent His son to be the substitute and pay the penalty for our sins.
From: Dominican Republic
''For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son that WHOEVER (including Belial) believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life ''..
Belial , you are more intelligent then the average bear on this forum , but dont let your genious coupled with your pride keep you from the simplicity of a child like faith that one needs to see the Kingdom of GOD..
From: Dominican Republic
Needgreat,
Please take off your sheep skin . As they say '' the devil known is better than the devil unknown '' and atleast Belial is honest and upfront about his doubts where as you ,like your wolf cub Guillemore are decievers in the first degree WHO TWIST AND PERVERT THE HOLY SCRIPTURES TO YOUR OWN LIKINGS ....'The Lord has said '' My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge'' so I SUGGEST YOU GET BACK TO YOU RAIN DANCING WITH THE MOONIES lest the spaceship thats landing this evening takeoff without you !
From: Dominican Republic
Needgreat, your need is ever so great ...
Its intresting that the the ''back slidden '' preacher Solomon who wrote Ecclisiastics ended that same letter by saying '' Now let us hear the conclusion of the matter ! Fear God and obey His commands for this is the whole duty of man '' . Earlier he would write in the same book ,'' Enjoy the days of your youth ,but remember that you will one day stand before God and give an account to Him of all the things you have done ''
If the preacher really believed and was implying that there is no afterlife then he would not have written those words now would he ? ( unless the wisest man that ever lived was crazy as well )..
From: United States
I think that anyone who speaks negative about something before they really know the truth is retarted. instead of speaking negativly pick up a bible read it and see for your self what it really says its plan and simple.People twist things to much.
From: Dominican Republic
Heartbeat or deadbeat, I cannot figure which. There is no reason to some peoples reason. Perhaps you best shake the dust off your feet and move along, as I will do now.
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-There you go again getting away from the subject and attempting to make it into something personal. This article is not about me, what I believe or if I resemble my tocayo Bill Clinton which I happen to have met on numerous occasions. It is about YOU and your lack of spirituality and attempt to discredit the work of another children of God. This is the issue, don't attempt to manipulate, distort and sway away from what is actually the TRUTH. Our complaint is about YOU
The subject here is your misbehavior and the unjust treatment of others. You can quote all the bible texts you want, until you turn blue in the face, it will hold no validity if it comes from you. Just accept what you have done since post #1. And stop hiding behind the bible to justify the judgement you have made against others. That is not your position and not your calling on planet earth. Leave that for God on judgement day, let him and only him decide. It will definitely not be YOU
From: United States
''I never questioned the validity of this biblical concept '' Yes, I continue to affirm this, that is the reason why Jesus Christ came, to die for our sins. That is pretty much well establish and I won't argue this point, What I disagree, is that Christians should not sit on their butts and not do anything because they will be saved by grace. This is a wrong message, that you seem to convey. What is the point? As Christians we should always be grateful not only by what we say in prayer but also by what we do, our acts or daily works. Of course there will never be anything good enough for us to gain salvation. But I also think it is possible to lose grace, but we will leave that for God to decide,. let him be the judge, It will definitely not be YOU. Only God knows what is really in our hearts and mind, if we are truly worthy of the gift of salvation.
But forget about what I believe, that is beside the point. The issue here is for you to STOP critizing the positive works of the JW.
From: Dominican Republic
Needgreat ,
Jesus said'' you can do nothing against the truth , only for it '' ..I will not only shake the dust of my feet , but I will scrape the wolf poop off as well ....
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore is growling in his cage lol.
If I return to Sosua this spring I would like to buy you and Slick Willy a round of purple Kool aid and two fat secretaries to put under your desks for a lonely night .
Has Mr. Sharpton read Peters second epistle yet ? I thought not lol...because then you will be able to judge and accuse Gods chosen Apostles of being hate mongers and spiritual bullies who try to trample on the well intended and there good deeds made out of sand castles..
My friend , your problem is not with me but the infallible word of God.I may be guilty of a droll sense of humor but I still challenge and beg you to show me where I am guilty of '' hate crimes in the first '' ? It seems that you are the one judging me you hypocrite ! I have spoken only what the word of God has said and not of myself .There is nothing positive about a cult that is leading people to hell with its propaganda as they dig people out from under the rubble and sooth their wounds with deception.
From: Dominican Republic
Cont,
It would be better for these Haitians to die not knowing the truth then to have survived and lived believing that the watch tower is the reason for every breath they take with still no hope beyond the grave !
What good is any faith if it does not offer one hope beyond this life ? Please tell me what these anti-christs have done for the souls that are lost and perishing if you believe the scriptures as you claim ? In the same way , what good does it do me if I meet someones physical need for a few hours by giving them that hot plate of food but neglect to give them the spiritual food (the bread of life ) that is nessecary for the survival of thier soul for eternity .. Jesus Himself said, '' he who eats this bread will hunger again , but he who eats the bread that i give him will never hunger again.
From: Dominican Republic
The bible says that '' the devil comes as an angel of light '' , not wearing a red suit with horns and a pitchfork and if doing cub scout deeds in the eyes of the world accomplishes his mission of bringing another soul down to hell with him , then he and his angels will always be the first ones on the scene with thier shovels and buckets and bricks the next time the earth dances..
Remember Judas ? Nobody in that inner circle suspected Judas of being the one when Jesus told them at the table that '' one of you will betray me''. Judas was the treasurer and if you read, you will read the account where the women broke a very expensive alabaster jar and annointed the feet of Jesus with the perfume and Judas complained in anger saying '' that perfume could have been sold and given to the poor '' , but the word then says ,'' Judas said this not because he cared about the poor ,but his own pockets ''..
Written by: trutoday, 11 Mar 2010 1:14 PM
From: Canada
Jehovah Witness Watchtower
Written by: Spazfive, 11 Mar 2010 1:15 PM
From: United States
You people walk around with blinders on, not seeing what is happening in this wicked world. The Witnesses are the ones that see it for what it really is and all they are trying to do is help others.
If you don't think that this world is coming to an end, then you need to take a step back and look around, things can't go on much longer the way they are headed.
Also, didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."
Written by: trutoday, 11 Mar 2010 1:15 PM
From: Canada
Do a search of google*Jehovah Witness Watchtower* and find out what others who have had dealings with them say too.
Written by: pkusa, 12 Mar 2010 11:45 AM
From: United States
What a beautiful article depicting true love in action. I am so proud of these friends as well as other groups and individuals who have left jobs and homes and spouses and children to come help their fellowman. Right now we need solidarity not disparaging words. Let's thank each other and support each other. If your belief is not the same as mine that is your right and free will given you to choose by God. Just choose wisely. I have chosen to live by the words "let your utterance be seasoned with salt" Col 4:6 and "Let a rotten saying not proceed out of your mouth, but whatever is good for building up as the need may be that it may impart what is favorable to the hearers". Eph 4:29. These are not "Watchtower" words or JW words. These are the apostle Paul's words written in the same bible all Christians claim to read. Can we agree on that and at least acknowledge that JW's helped out greatly in a time of need just as Jesus would have? Not to be saved but because he loved.
From: Dominican Republic
Trutoday,
I personally know many JWS AND the fact is that they are living just as immorally as the rest of the world while thier self appointed elders assert thier self inflicted doctrines and mind control over thier prey .Even though the Jws carry a bible with thier watchtower propaganda , the majority of them have never opened it while preferring the wisdom of the watch tower over the truth of scripture , but even then they cannot give a basis for what they believe ,yet alone provide one with any source of hope beyond this life ..
Written by: pkusa, 12 Mar 2010 12:53 PM
From: United States
Let's remember the point of the article-Helping one another in time of need:
" A group of Witness Dominican doctors and medical personnel began to arrive in less than 24 hours after the quake. Among this group of 19 were an orthopedic surgeon, a general surgeon and other medical disciplines. They courageously worked long 15 – 20 hour days under primitive conditions for a week, until relieved by a medical team from France and Europe under the direction of the charity organization Aide Afrique, an organization of witnesses who volunteer and donate to provide humanitarian Aid thru-out Africa. These groups, including the group Aide Afrique brought with them two surgeons, a trauma paramedic, twelve nurses, a mid-wife and many other medical professionals as well as 5,000 pounds of medicine and equipment including a mobile surgical suite, enabling them to begin assisting critically injured victims immediately and over 55 emergency surgeries were performed on site."
Written by: pkusa, 12 Mar 2010 12:54 PM
From: United States
"The Assembly Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Santo, Republic of Haiti, remained intact after the quake and served as a temporary clinic and medical center for the injured. Three Kingdom Halls in the affected area are being used similarly, with local Haitian Witnesses who are doctors providing medical attention.
Teams of witnesses from France, Germany, Switzerland, United States, Guadalupe and elsewhere cared for hundreds of patients, witness and non-witness alike. No one was turned away. This assistance proved invaluable, since several hospitals in Haiti were destroyed by the quake and the remaining area hospitals were overwhelmed."
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-Do I detect inner anger and a silent rage?
From: United States
"Why are you trying to make these anti Christs look so noble and dignified for doing what everyone else is doing ..? "
We should pose the question as rather why are you making the JW look as not noble and undignified?
WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR ULTERIOR MOTIVE ?
Written by: ZAYIN, 13 Mar 2010 10:23 AM
From: United States
It appears that dominicanheartbeat, Solomon and some others who can't look at the good deeds spoken of in the article are no doubt miserable in their own lives so much that they have to tear down rather than build up their fellow man. The damages caused by hate like this over the history of mankind since the beginning are far more great than all the earthquakes and hurricanes ever in the history of the world. These hateful remarks are completely contradictory to Jesus' words at John 13:34,35 --- "I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves."
Where's the love in all the hateful posts? It appears that these angry responses are evidence of what's in their hearts. Jesus also said in his sermon on the mount at , -- "“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
Written by: ZAYIN, 13 Mar 2010 10:42 AM
From: United States
CONTINUED....
“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men]." Since Jesus himself foretold this, should it not surprise us that people uncomfortable in their own circumstances would come out to bash, belitte and falsely accuse his true followers today? Satan, as the god of this current system of things according to 2 Cor 4:3, wants nothing more than to keep as many as possible from learning about or serving the true GOD.
Its love, not hate that will distinguish Gods true followers.
From: United States
EXCELLENT ZAYN!!!!! Thanks so much !!!
From: Dominican Republic
Is it any surprise that when the Anti-Christ himself takes the world stage that he will decieve the world with what the bible calls ''many lying signs and wonders'' ( and good works ) even bringing a false but temporary 3 and a half year period of world peace before he is finally unmasked as the great deciever. Peter wrote '' the spirit of anti christ is already at work and even now there are many anti Christs among you''
I challenge you men again ( if you are indeed men enough to handle the truth ) to read Peters second epistle and see what the man who knew THE LOVE and grace of God perhaps more than anyone had to say about your good deed doers that bring the multitudes to hell with them , and then come back to me after you have done your research . Peter , myself nor The Lord have any tolerance for those whose great deeds are sending people to hell in a fallen tower. And yes, like Peter and The Lord, I too am very angry and even full of rage against those that practice such .
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore ,
Its sad that you dont even have enough fuel left in your own tank of dead heresy to stay in this race and now your seeking to be ressurected and validated by another ''angel of light '' that is running on your fumes ...
Doesnt matter my friend . When all is said and done I will still love you anyway !
From: United States
No Dominicanheartbeat, It is I who will love you anyway.!!! But no I am not running out of fuel. Like I said once before, I have a full time job, a business, a family to attend and sick friends in the hospital to see. And besides with you I have reached the point of no return. Nevertheless, apparently you seem to have a lot of time to express your anger and rage. But that is good thing, get it all out of your system, it will be excellent therapy and in the end you will feel so much better.
This is your opportunity to shine.
But again remember one thing, take your focus away from me, I am not the issue here. We are talking about you and your conduct. And since we do not know you, we can only use, not what you say, but how you have expressed yourself, use it as a measuring tool to determine how meager is your Christian love. You can say what ever you want, it just holds no ground, Strictly on the basis of your behavior, your past performance is a good indicator of future results.
From: Dominican Republic
Paul wrote ,
''I marvel that you are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel which is not another, but there are some that trouble you and pervert the gospel of Christ .
But, though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you , let him be accursed . As we have said before, so I say now again, if any man preach to you any other gospel than you have received , let him be accursed '' GALATIANS 1-1-9..
The topic and the issue is not the behavior of heartbeat , but the ''good deeds ''of the kool aid makers. What you people are saying is that as long as these people are doing good deeds to meet immediate and physical problems in the world as an outlet to push thier kool aid recipe, it does not matter how spiritually destructive it is ,even if its ''another gospel ''that may send someone to hell . I suppose you would all applaude Castro and Hitler if they showed up with shovels as well ?
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore and crew,
Does not the message of the watch tower fall under the catergory of ''another gospel'' ? According to Paul ( who certainly must have been an intolerant hatemonger to have penned such mean words) thought so ..
Afterall , according to JWS, Jesus is really Michael the Archangel , and only 144,000 Jws will ever be selected to get a gardeners position when Eden is restored ,so they had better stay away from the train of grace and make sure as many others as possible dont get on either as they continue to work anyway for a one in 10 billion chance to cash in one of those golden tickets at wonkas watch tower reunion in the sky...
Written by: hello2u, 14 Mar 2010 4:09 PM
From: United States
Nice Article by DominicanToday...
The authors did a great job of covering the subject at hand.
It's encouraging to see the positive, self-sacrificing work that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing,
and I'm sure that the people of Haiti appreciate it very much, even if some others do not.
Even more importantly, I'm sure their God, Jehovah, sees and appreciates it.
I give Jehovah's Witnesses and DominicanToday both a thumbs-up.
Written by: ZAYIN, 14 Mar 2010 7:38 PM
From: United States
Obviously dominicanheartbeat knows absolutely nothing about the bible. He either must be an apostate, or a person who could never give up his own vices to think about coming in line with bible standards, so he has to trash others to make himself feel better. Its evident hes a loner with no friends or relationships and is completely miserable with his life. I hope he can wake up before its too late. He is the type of person Jesus pitied but couldnt convince to make changes to come in line for better things. What a sad shame.
From: Dominican Republic
Oh Zayin,
Are you vomiting on the altar again as you choke on the truth of scripture as it so accurately describes the cult you are worshipping and supporting as they they drag you and multitudes of others into the pit with them ..
Surely , just like the Apostle Paul ,I know nothing about the bible, and yet , unlike your kool aid brewers , everything I have said is not words, ideas or theories of my own making, but only direct quotes from the word of God itself . The Holy Spirit was the one who wrote through Paul '' that these people who preach a different gospel be accursed . ( the word accursed in the Greek translation literally means anathama , or condemned to the lowest hell). But oh, Im sorry that you have no response to the hateful words of Paul and the Holy Spirit who certainly could care less what false gospel these heretics are preaching and selling as long as they are digging people out of the rubble in front of a camera. Aknadinajab will be there shortly with his shovel.
From: Dominican Republic
Let me say again for the record, that I have no problem with the '' good work '' that these heretics are doing any more than I would not oppose an athiest or heathen lending a hand in such a time of need , but lets take me out of the equasion because I am not the issue here . The problem that The Lord God Jesus Christ Himself has with these good deeds that you all think He is applauding from heavens bleachers is the reason and motive behind the good work they are doing .
As with all that the JWS do, is not the motive of these preachers of ''a different gospel '' and the good deeds they are flaunting in front of the cameras nothing but a golden opportunity to find another in road to try and convert and brain wash more followers by promoting an unbiblical man made fairy tale doctrine of the watchtower ? David wrote in the psalms that God has magnified His word above His name and Peter wrote that no scripture is of private interpretation,and yet these people have made a pretzel of it.
From: Dominican Republic
For any of you that are parents or one day will be , I ask you this question .
If your 7 year old child was trapped inside of a burning building and there was only one person who could actually get in and rescue your child , knowing that as this person was carrying your child out to safety , he was whispering in your childs ear that mommy and daddy do not love you any more and thats why I came to save you from burning because they dont care about you . Imagine that during this crisis the child actually believes the subtle lie of the well intended wolf and is brainwashed for life .. Would you still want this person rescuing your kid ? Now I ask you how do you think God feels when they are doing it to His Kids ?, because that is exactly what the JWS are doing when they preach thier man made gospel of the watch tower that Paul said perverts the true gospel and pulls people away from the grace of God to which thier called as they seek to strip the diety of Christ.
From: Dominican Republic
Mr Zayin,
I love you anyway and I will be praying that God will heal you of your '' spiritual blindness that has been inflicted upon you by Satan ,the god of this age '' and that you might come to the knowledge of the truth . God loves you and by believing on His Son that died for you and rose fron the dead , you can be saved by His marvellous grace and live eternally . Or , you can continue to try and earn your salvation by doing more good deeds then the next guy, but remeber , that Gods standard is perfection which means in order to be justified by the law ( your good works ) you will have to live the same life that Jesus did which is a perfect one .That means even one dirty thought and your disqualified .. I dont know about you but its much easier for me to have His pefect life and righteousness credited to my account by faith and recieving His pardon then trying to be perfect . Jesus lived the life you could not live to be the perfect sacrifice for your sins by His death..
From: Dominican Republic
And that my friends , is not only the true gospel Paul and JESUS PREACHED, but that is what makes HIS grace so amazing .......
From: United States
OK-DRheatbeat-Vent, Vent, Vent.......let it all out, let all that hot hair out. It will be good for you. Just let me know when you cool down and then maybe we can have a civilized and peaceful discussion of doctrinal differences. There is no need to continue with insults, sarcasm and tongue lashing to discuss the word. A true soldier of God is armed with the sword of peace and love. However, in your case every time you open your mouth it is to express anger, create animosity and discord. It is as if you want to provoke a fight. That is why everytime you attempt to quote the bible, a true, sound and reliable source, you lack leverage. Instead of making positive use, it rather became an ineffective tool for you. Unless you modify your conduct and significantly tone down, it just makes no sense for either me or you, to further remain in this forum to clearly demonstrate that your 56+ posts have been in vain. Unless you come in peace, all of your efforts would prove fruitless.
Written by: Spazfive, 15 Mar 2010 3:23 PM
From: United States
Didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."
Written by: trutoday, 15 Mar 2010 4:50 PM
From: Canada
Jehovah's Witnesses are not solidly Bible based but are the ever changing flip flopping doctrines of old men in New York.
1)1914 Jesus *invisible* return
2) only 144,000 go to heaven
3) two classes of saved Christians
4) *whole* blood and autologous transfusions a sin,but okay to use fractions donated by Red Cross blood donors
5) genocide of 6 billion plus men women children at Watchtower Armageddon
etc....
From: United States
Trutoday-I see that you are well verse in the letter of the law, but are you well versed in the spirit of the law as well?
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore,
You have been pinned to the mat since round one and your still trying to find a corner in a round room to hide in . Please tell me what you think of Paul and Peters statements inspired by the Holy Spirit ? You cant can you , because it is really no different than what I am saying .. Tell me G, was Paul an angry hatemonger as well ? How about Peter ?
There is no room for heresy and those that pervert the gospel of Jesus in Gods living room .
Maybe I should of stated from the beginning that even though I do hate the doctrine of the Jehovas Witnesses and am viciously attacking it , I do not hate the individual JW per say nor am I attacking them personally .Like Jesus, we are to hate the sin but love the sinner as even Jesus called Judas '' friend'' right before he was betrayed by him. I have known and have even been friends with some JWS in the past and my attack is not on them as people , only thier beliefs that are dragging them and others to hell with it ..
From: Dominican Republic
Cont,
So by this Paul meant '' speaking the truth in love '' , and since I did not clarify my position from the start , I once again ask forgiveness if I have in anyway misrepresented my Lord or have wrongfully hurt anyone contributing on this topic at anytime during my attacks on these Satanic watchtower doctrines..
Guillemore, Im sorry that you seem unable to extend the same grace and forgiveness to me that God has extended to you and I AS WITH THE FIRST TIME I ASKED YOU for a pardon, but facts are facts .. Trutoday has a much better handle on the active ingredients in the Kool Aid mix than I do and what he shares are documented facts.
Furthermore Guillemore, I find it intresting that for as many times as you have written me and my posts off as invalid hot air not worthy of a challenge or discussion , you still keep getting back in the ring after swearing to go into retirement ? Its no wonder that you are so confused spiritually .Those who stand for nothing fall for anything..
From: Dominican Republic
Friends,
This maybe one of the longest posts in D.TS history . Felizedate, but its starting to take just as much time to get to the end of the last post as it is to write the next 3 , and that is not good for a poor boy like me who only gets an hour of free internet per day in a public library lol.
I repeat ''I do not hate nor am I attacking personally those who claim to be Jehovas Witnesses and follow thier man made doctrine , but I do hate the doctrine that they sell and I am attacking it in anger ''
Guillemore, I admit to being guilty of sarcasm and even not speaking ln love during our sparring match. Even if a person is dead right , if what they are doing is done in the wrong spirit , then its dead wrong in the end .Too often I am more intrested in giving my ego a shot of botox rather than giving God more glory . In case you have not noticed, I am still a wretched sinful man in need of his wonderful grace. Thank God for the cross of Jesus Christ it is done!
Written by: BillC, 16 Mar 2010 11:03 AM
From: Mexico
Great article about the unity of Jehovah's Witnesses, clear, and without distortion. BUT, phew!.... I just finished reading most of this stuff that follows... at first I was skipping most of the dominicanheartbeat posts when I thought he was a past witness himself, but then realized he was not when he began statements that are totally erroneous, statements that not even an apostate would make. Not all, but numerous of his remarks actually come from "exwitnesses" (not the eyewitnesses) and reveal he has very limited firsthand knowledge of JWs' beliefs. (Of course we know he will now ask for my list of details ;) ) So here is one of the 9 examples I noted: "and only 144,000 Jws will ever be selected to get a gardeners position when Eden is restored ." This is absolutely not what JWs believe. Perhaps D-heart will have a change of heart one day and actually check his facts. In the meantime, no I will not itemize further. I may approach "the ring" but will not "step into it" again.
From: United States
BILLC-Good that you also noticed it because, I said the very same thing in one of my earlier posts, but Dheartbeat only intent here is to get into a heated debate or rather a verbal fist fight which cause me to lose sight of the issue. In spite of her recent calmness, D- still thinks we are in a wrestling arena as I am described as "..... been pinned to the mat since round one and your still trying to find a corner in a round room to hide in " Por favor, Please.. this is an anonymous forum nobody really knows each other and we have nothing to fear. But D-your reationary behavior is strictly based on ignorance. You have either been talking the wrong JW who have been unable to clearly explain themselves, either you misunderstood them or have a low comprehension capacity. And if is not that, then it must be the fact that because it is the JW, you are already prejudiced and will close your heart and mind, regardless of whether they make valid points or not. U just don't like them, period
From: Dominican Republic
''We can do nothing against the truth , only for it ''. My friends , unfortunatly for you , I am not the only one that the Lord has used on this thread to expose as well as document the heresies of this Satanic cult known as the Jws . Your fear of the truth and your argument is with the true and living God because he wrote His word , not Heartbeat , and just like the devil himself ,Whenever any of you are challenged with a portion of scripture and asked to defend your apostate heresies against it , you run and hide in the corners of your round watchtower and offer no response.
Please tell me if you can , what the watchtower has to say against Pauls words that condemn false gospels , and since you cant , that only proves that you do agree with the watchtower heresies and admit that you believe the bible is not 100% true. Bill HAS DRANK MORE KOOL AID THAN Guillemore and has not only not read all the posts , but niether the bible or the watchtower .''Get behind me Satan ''
From: Dominican Republic
''exwitnesses (not the eyewitnesses)''
And I wonder why the very few that do manage to escape before the pins sink too deep into thier brains actually left in the first place ? Is it because they saw the marvellous love and grace of Jesus Christ ( who is really thier archangel michael ) crafting one of those coveted seats in the garden ? The truly sad but funny thing here is that I have given you countless Biblical references to support my gospel and though you all claim to be schooled in JW DOCTRINE while swearing on your grandmas grave that the watchtower is not anti-Christ , not one of you has dared to try and support or document your beliefs for the so called opposing committees review that is able to support its doctrine and gospel . Yes, its us ignorant ones that have no knowledge of Jw heresy that are quoting and documenting the lies that its own followers are not able to prove or support let alone try and defend..And why ? Because '' you can do nothing against the truth ''.
From: United States
Dheartbeat-I would love to get into a intellectual and spiritual discussion about the the JW doctrines. But until you refrain from using derogotory adjectives, it just makes no sense to even bother. You are politely-offensive in your verbosity and unless you refrain, it will just end up in an unproductive debate.
I am not here to win a battle, only to help clarify the different points that you labeled as "anti-Christ." I am not a JW and hardly do I consider myself well versed in their teachings, but have studied sufficiently enough and spoken to them at lengths and though I do not agree with them entirely, it does not stop me from recognizing that overall they hold on to and have sound, fundamental Christian principles. D-I know it is hard, but control yourself. I vehemently refuse to get into a shouting match with YOU while we discuss the bible. I will not lower myself to that level, if you make false accusations. It is disrespectful and a Sacrilege to God and the Holy Bible
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-
Ephesians 4:31-32 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-
Timothy 2:24-And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
And if you say that you really have the truth behind you, why do you insist on fighting? I JUST DON'T GET IT. Why do you get so rouse up in your writings? Why do you want to pick a fight?
The bible keeps telling you there is no need for that. But you apparently love that MUD slinging, RIGHT?
TRANQUILA BOBBY, TRANQUILA.........
From: United States
Psalm 37 -"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
D-It is the meek who will Inherit The Earth, not those with or who have anger and rage pent-up inside.
That is why you should not fret, become angry, or be envious of the of those you call and label as the "anti-Christ," "heretics," "Satanic cult," "kool aide drinkers," and "apostates," if or when they prosper. You used 5 negative adjective and descriptive nouns in your JW name calling.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD AS THE DEFENDER OF TRUTH and just simply substracts, takes away from your credibility.
D-I know that deep down you just want "Armageddon" to befall on the JW and the Watchtower. But D, I think you are defeating the purpose, don't you think?
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore, even though the JWS '' SOUND , FUNDAMENTAL Christian doctrine '' goes against the true gospel and the word of God ,
You are so right brother . I repent and pour ashes on my head . You win my friend ,You win ! I am a hateful, resentful angry apostate with no friends nor love nor knowledge of anything I speak . Again , for the third time I ask you for your forgiveness if I have offended you and if I have misrepresented my Lord in anyway... But even this most crucial fundamental doctrine of the faith seems to be out of your reach and understanding as its obvious you are unwilling to extend me the olive branch .. Jesus said ''if you do not forgive your brothers trespasses , niether will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses'' .. He also said'' if your brother sins against you , you shall forgive him 70 x 7 times''. You said that you would love me Guillemore , but if you have refused to forgive me after 3 requests , You are really hating me .are you not ?
From: Dominican Republic
G,
If you have read all of my last posts , you and those who have been attacking me, judging me and accusing me of hate crimes will see that I have not only humbled myself and admitted and confessed my sins where I have sinned and said things in the wrong spirit , but have also asked forgiveness . If you are unable to do this, then you need to question if you subscribe to any branch of ''Christianity , be it true or false !
Finally, Peter and Paul did not use terms like ''Kool aid'' drinkers maybe because the recipe did not exist yet , but heretic , apostate and children of wrath they did when reffereing to those false prophets .. Why have you yet to answer or protest against these Apostles for using those terms while accusing them of having pent up anger and rage as they take out thier frustrations on the misinformed ? Hypocrite ! Is your greatest fear the fear of the truth ?
From: United States
Wow...so impressed! All of this back and forth because of an article about the JW's and the help they have offered the people of Haiti. All I will say is this:
DRheartbeat...you obviously have knowledge of the Bible...kudos. You also have the gift to twist the verses around to use them in your own twisted situations to prove your twisted points!
Bottom line is...If it were YOU laying under a pile of debris, reaching out for someone to help you...and an "angel of light" approaches with his hand held out, what would you do? Im sure you will take the help. Or will you say, "stop, are you a Jehovah's Witness, because if you are, I dont want your help!" You are a human being just like all of them. They just choose to live there life as Christian like as possible and wish to share there beleifs with others. You apparently have a "personal" issue with the JWs it seems. Just out of curiosity, what religion are you? Dont forget, we all live in glass houses. I dare you to throw the first st
From: United States
stone! Get real...we are not here to "judge you"...you have twisted the situation to make it that way. Cant you see that? You are annoyed that others have knowledge of the Bible and it makes you irratated that they dont agree with you and YOUR beleifs and interpretations of the Scriptures. This forum isnt about you and your lightbulb moments of quoting the Bible. This forum is about the article.
From: Dominican Republic
As I said before ,'' Lend them your hands , but keep your Kool Aid to yourself in the process ''...
From: United States
Just so you are aware. Jws have one of the most accurate translations of the bible. they don't replace the name JEHOVAH with lord or what not.
second Jesus said "“A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me [which they certainly did], they will persecute you also." hmmm.
and just bc Jws are getting press attention now, does not mean they have never helped out in the past. you just didnt take the time to care to know.
From: United States
Just so you are aware. Jws have one of the most accurate translations of the bible. they don't replace the name JEHOVAH with lord or what not.
second Jesus said "“A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me [which they certainly did], they will persecute you also." hmmm.
and just bc Jws are getting press attention now, does not mean they have never helped out in the past. you just didnt take the time to care to know.
From: Dominican Republic
Except for the ''SMALL EXCEPTION'' that brings down the diety of Christ ! Johns gospel starts with ''In the Beginning , the word was God '' ,but the JWS translation says the '' word was a god ''..
ONEANDOTHER ,that is my point ..Even though the JWS have a bible that is 99.9% the same as a born again believer who is saved by grace , they still choose to live by the man made , man inspired heresys and words of the watch tower instead of the inspired word of God and the one and only true gospel . HMM ! As I said 3 times already . Not only cant the JWS and thier gospel of good deeds give any one hope or assurance beyond this world , but niether can they give any evidence that proves, supports or defends what they claim to be truth as even they themselves are not sure what they have been programmed to believe , but yet they attack us that can give a solid defense along with evidence of what we teach , preach and believe . ''Unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God''
From: Dominican Republic
'' For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have eternal life ''.
''If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead you will be saved ''
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Margaret ,
but not only do I have to disagree with you , but you are also about 150 posts too late to join this dance that is coming to an end . May I lovingly suggest that before you add more confusion to the pot mixed with your good intentions that you first not only read each and every preceeding post so you know whats going on , but more importantly that you read the complete word of God for yourself before spouting off incorrect doctrines that your self anointed book pastors are poisoning thier sheep with on Sunday mornings . I encourage you to first read the 4 complete gospels followed by Romans and Galatians so that you can then correctly put into context what James was saying when he wrote those words .
From: United States
I guess DRHeartbeat is a born again Leader! You just cant seem to answer the question...If it were YOU laying under a pile of debris, would you reject the help of the "angel of light", would you say, Stop, are you a JW, if so I dont want your help!!! What religion are you? You are a pompous born again. How does it feel to be called names? I will have another glass of Kool Aid spiked with Brugal!
From: Dominican Republic
dulcine,
The Psalms say ''Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints ''
Its very clear that you have already had enough Kool aid little wolf cub , but when the mix wears off and the space ship lands , you can first try and give me an answer to the same question that I have been asking your colleagues that they like yourself are not able to answer , but first go back and read all of the preceeding posts as well as the word of God so that you might have atleast a half a clue what you are talking about and you will discover that I have already answered that question on more than one occasion . Let me advise you oh ignorant ''angel of light'' that it is better to keep your mouth shut and let one assume you are a fool than to open it and dispell all doubt . Let the rubble fall on me and let me choke on the dust as I have made my peace with God . Have you ?
From: United States
To Dheartbeat- You LOVE that mud slinging don't you!!! Does it make you feel good to call people names? You know.... I don't think Jesus Christ did that. Are you really a follower of Christ? Do you follow his example D-? When was the last time JC called somebody a "little wolf cub"?
Are you really the true Christian that you say you are? Or is it that you just like a good fight? Which is it? Are you attempting to preach the gospel, because if that is your intent, believe me you are doing a disservice.
YOU HAVE SHOWN LITTLE TO NO CHRISTIAN SPIRIT. I ask who really is the "ignorant ''angel of light'' here? Let the "spirit" work in and for you, because you need to learn self-control. Just follow Rom 12:18-19 "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay" says the Lord. And maybe consider a few sessions in anger management as well
From: United States
lol...good job Guillermone...im sure he will have a comeback. He cant help himself. jajajajajajaja
From: United States Virgin Islands
Remember JW think only a certain number of people will get to Heaven and they must be JW to get there. Too weird for me. I guess the JW doctors didnt do any blood transfusions either...major sin for them....so do they help out on a day to day basis or just when they can be in the limelight when reporters are around?
From: Dominican Republic
Two foolish wolves on one very short leash and still not enough fang between them to take a bite out of the true gospel and further the cause of thier man made heretical watch tower doctrine let alone give any proof , support or evidence for subscribing to it .
Guillemore has paid his bodyguard dulcine to try and protect him from ''the big school yard bully'' who keeps taking his thermos of Kool aid away with his empanada when the lunch bell rings..
Guillemore, have you found enough love in your heart to forgive me yet my friend ? Have you forgiven Paul and Peter the Apostles for using the terms heretic and apostate when refering to your preachers of the false gospel ? You claim to know how to exemplify true Christian spirit but have no ability how to apply it and you are accusing and judging me of not doing the same? HYPOCRITE . I SUGGEST YOU FIND A MORE INTELLIGENT RUNNING MATE then dulcine to help you keep the wolf pack mushing up the hill ..
From: Dominican Republic
Btw, Guillemore ,
I am a christian who loves to fight the good fight ( read Timothy). Please sit down with your new disciple and re-read the posts and the word of God and just answer my questions instead of running from them jajajaja .
Is the situation that desperate that dulcine is the best you can come up with to try and help you throw one more left hook at me in your loving Christian spirit ? Maybe you should add your loving sarcastic remarks such as ''bobby joe and asshole'' to give further credibility to your fine Christian ethics that you are demonstrating to the D.T world . Afterall , Jesus used those terms also , did He not ?
I gave you too much credit friend .You should stick to writing nostalgic articles on the history of Sosua , because atleast they are true and you know what you are talking about . Now, I ask you for the 5th time if you will forgive me ? Or did the guy who wrote the original watchtower magazine in some New York deli back in the 60's forbid that ?
From: United States
Dominicanheartbeat-
HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY, LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE MISERABLE.
Nevertheles, D- I have stated once before, that when you refrain from using negative adjectives, spitting venomous words and speaking with a fork tongue then and only then will I be able to begin to engage in a civil discussion. Otherwise we will be both spinning our wheels going nowhere fast. I have already spent too much time attempting to calm you down, but it has been to no avail. You are the perfect example of what is the use.
You have made demeaning and offensive remarks, with continuous name calling personally DIRECTED to every poster who does not agree with you. That is plain WRONG and you keep doing it over and over again in spite of your awareness that it is improper to so. My advise D-If you do not agree, attack the idea and not the person. ESTAMOS !!
Finally, stop your personal vendetta against the JW that is not your role on planet earth. "Vengeance is mind says the lord."
Written by: Lizzie, 25 Mar 2010 11:39 AM
From: Colombia
TO: DOMINICANHEARTBEAT
I'm not a JW but I have had the priviledge of working with many of them. Most are wonderful people who mind their own business and are focused on what they do. They don't gossip, they don't steal and they donate their free time to do what they feel is a good deed. Something that Jesus Christ ordered US ALL to be doing but only they take it to heart. Maybe you're just jealous... First of all, use your common sense and think of this: if there are currently over 7 million JWs in the whole world and only 144K are expected to go to heaven, don't you think that it would be safe to conclude that the rest of them are striving for something else, rather than living in heaven??? Why don't you actually TALK to one of them before you jump to conclusions?
Written by: Lizzie, 25 Mar 2010 11:39 AM
From: Colombia
TO: DOMINICANHEARTBEAT
I'm not a JW but I have had the priviledge of working with many of them. Most are wonderful people who mind their own business and are focused on what they do. They don't gossip, they don't steal and they donate their free time to do what they feel is a good deed. Something that Jesus Christ ordered US ALL to be doing but only they take it to heart. Maybe you're just jealous... First of all, use your common sense and think of this: if there are currently over 7 million JWs in the whole world and only 144K are expected to go to heaven, don't you think that it would be safe to conclude that the rest of them are striving for something else, rather than living in heaven??? Why don't you actually TALK to one of them before you jump to conclusions?
From: United States Virgin Islands
Actually i have talked and worked with many of them. My co-worker was ordered by the church not to talk to her mother anymore cause her mom was marrying a man who wasnt JW. It was just her but the entire church disfellowshipped her mother. Other JW co-workers have had non JW friends and have been fearful of being discovered by other church members. So yes Lizzie I have talked to them and this is what they have told me. Why would i be jealous? Jealous that I dont fear my church??
From: United States
@ DR...have u checked ur heartbeat lately? sounds like you're going to give yourself a stroke! my name is not dulcine...its Dulcinea-del-Toboso....Maybe you should put your Scriptures for Dummies Manual Down and read some poetry....hmmmmm....ooooohhhhh Im sure youre burning up now...
From: Dominican Republic
Wrong dulci ! I cry for the lost souls like yourself who are perishing without hope . You will fall for anything because you dont stand for something . BTW DUMMY, THE BOOKS OF JOB , PSALMS, SONG OF SONGS , AND MOST OF THE PROPHETS ARE THE FINEST BOOKS OF GOD WRITTEN AND INSPIRED POETRY IN THE WORLD and If you would put your play station away for an evening and take the time to read it for yourself you would know this .
Im sorry dulci come lately, but like Guillemore, you dont have a leg to stand on or a fact to support your paper watchtower and remarks that will one day burn to the ground with your ignorance that your pediatrician gave you along with your all day sucker when you left his office 2 days ago. Please put your training wheels back on Junior and then come back to me after you have spent a year or two in the scriptures instead of spending every waking moment watching Beavis and Butthead repeats so you can at the very least recommend a good Cardiologist to me. JaJA.
From: Dominican Republic
Dear lizzie,
Like 90 % of the people on this thread who have not takin the time to read all of my previous posts before spouting off thier wisdom , I suggest you first do so coupled with the word of God ( not the watch tower) before you throw your accusations at me and you will see that I have said that I am not attacking the JWS but ONLY THE FALSE DOCTRINE THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL !
I also said that I regurarly sit on the bench with these people on Saturday mornings when they do thier visitations and on many occasions have invited them into my apartment for a GLASS OF kool AID ( I mean a Pepsi ) . I have had friends and co- workers that were JWS and have read thier material and questioned them on every point on many occasions and I know what they believe . I also know that just like with True ChristianS , there are just as many of these people sleeping with thier neighbors wives and CHEATING ON THIER TAX RETURNS so stop trying to put paper WINGS and halos on these people.
From: Dominican Republic
And why would I be Jealous you foolish little barbie doll ? I have been save by grace and given an eternal hope that no amount good works could ever attain while you and 7 million of your colleagues keep shoveling more rubble while seeing if you can eventually jump higher on your pogo stick than the other 6 million 8 hundred and 56 thousand that are striving for one of those coveted seats on the space ship earth that is scheduled to land in 1975 .
From: United States
Well I am amazed at what has been done to this article. A story about man’s humanity to man has been totally pushed aside in the interest of selfish personal agendas. The fact that people in dire need of help are receiving attention was totally ignored. Shouldn’t the plight of the Haitian people and how they are being helped be the focus? Why do you religious zealots always make it about you? The man you all claim to follow never made it about him. You are all a disgrace to his name!!!
From: United States
fromtheoutside-AMEN to you a thousand times, AMEN!!!! Well said, short and sweet and to the point. THANKS!!!
From: United States
My advice to any present or future posters. I recommend that as long as DominicanHeat beat continues with the negativativity, to lash out at every and anyone who disagrees, not to engage in any exchange of words. D has a lot of pent up frustrations and this medium is what she/he uses to release it. D main motive is to provoke a fight and when it starts enjoys every minute of it, simply thrives on that. There is very little about what D does which has anything to do with God and the Holy Spirit. She is like an arsonist, loves to set fires and see houses burn down. Let no one give D that pleasure.
From: Dominican Republic
Oh , now the G man insults me with Christ like comments like ''she '' to compliment his other Christ centered Spirt filled remarks like ''ass hole and bobby Joe '' which not only reflect his anger and bitterness, but are much more UNBIBLICAL then heretic or apostate lol. He is so desperate to get support for his lack of ability to defend his beliefs and back up his hateful sarcasm that not only can he not support scripture or tell us what the JWS believe , but niether does he realize that the person he just applauded is also talking about him as well lol ..C'mon G. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS CHILD ! YOU ARE A GROWN MAN NOW! IM SORRY , BUT THERE DOESNT SEEM TO BE ANYONE HERE THAT CAN HELP YOU DEFEND YOUR IGNORANCE AND HYPOCRICY as well as your unwilling ness to forgive and love or comment on your hateful remarks ..lol
''Go from the presence of a foolish man when you dont percieve in him the lips of knowledge ''. Prov.14-7
I believe I will heed the advice of Solomon lol.
From: Dominican Republic
''Do not labor for the food that perishes but for the food that endures to everlasting life , which the Son OF man will give you because God has set His seal upon Him .'' Then they said '' What shall we do that we may work the works of God ? '' Jesus answered them and said ''This is the work of God ,that you believe in Him who He sent ''. John 3-16-19.
''For God so loved the world that He sent His only begoten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life . For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved ''.'' He who believes in Him is not condemned but he who does not believe is condemned already because he believed not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.''
John 3-16-19.
From: Dominican Republic
''If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead you shalt be saved .For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation '' Rom.10-9,10.
''For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved ' 'Rom.10-13.
''Therefore it is of faith that it might be of grace ''Rom.4-16
''Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with our Lord Jesus Christ'' Rom5-1
''For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord'' Rom.6-23.
''And if by grace then it is no longer of works ,but if by works then it is no longer by grace ''Rom11-6
From: Dominican Republic
Now we know that what things the law say , it says to them who are under the law that every mouth may be stopped and made guilty before God .Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in His sight, for by the law is knowledge of sin, But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested being witnessed by the law and the prophets .
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith in Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference, For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus who God sent forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past through the forbearance of God to declare that he may be just and the justifier of him which believe in Jesus ,
From: Dominican Republic
cont,
Where is boasting then ? It is excluded ! By the law ? of works? Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law '' ROM,3-19-27..
From: Dominican Republic
''For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God , for what does the scripture say ? Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
Now to him that works the reward is not reckoned of grace ,but of debt . But to him that works not but believes on Him that justifys the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness'' .
Rom.4,2-6
From: Dominican Republic
gothiclolita,
Very well my friend , as my pathetic past and present is not much prettier to look at than yours, but let me ask you one very important question assuming that you have already read the bible verses that I have posted above ?
What hope does the watch tower organization or the Jehovas witnesses offer you beyond the grave ? What good is the ''good news '' of Jesus Christ if it offers no hope ? Again , please read carefully the above bible verses from my last posts before you answer this !
Perhaps for the record , you would be willing to share with us exactly what it is that the JWS do teach and then document it biblically so that you will see that I am not attacking you or your fellow Jehovas , but rather only the ''unbiblical doctrine it teaches ''. God Bless !
From: United States
gothiclolita-Thank you so much for sharing your experience and may abundant blessings continue to befall you for following the principles and teachings of Jesus Christ!
The Lord said it clearly himself "Ye shall know them by their fruits." And you are a perfect example of that, as the kind of fruit a tree can bear by just following those principles. Therefore it is a given, an obvious truth that "a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down..."Mat:7:15-23
From: United States
Jesus Christ also spoke about Peace, Love, Harmony and the Golden Rule in that a person attempting to live by this rule treats all people, not just members of his or her own in-faith group with respect and consideration and summarized it in one concise but powerfull message: "Do to others what you would like to be done to you." Mat 2:39- This explains the love you received and unconditional acceptance by the JW Friends.
What you learned, adopted and practiced from the scriptures is a clear manifestation of the Holy Spirit over you.-AMEN
From: Dominican Republic
So Then Guillemore , what is your excuse for not doing the same lol ?
The confused unforgiving '' asshole'' must have drank too much koolaid with her cadbury eggs at the sunrise service yesterday lol...
When you are able to humble yourself and extend forgiveness Guille Joe , then you can tell me about about that sweet fruit you grow on your branches every spring you hypocrite , but until then , talk is cheap and your claws are getting sharper !
Btw, Guillemore, just as the heathens and agnostics will open thier tear ducts and purses in time of graet tragedy , so will they accept flaws in other people . Jesus said dont love only those that love you , even the publicans do that ''.
From: United States
Prov. 12:18-There is one whose rash words are like
sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
Prov. 15:4- A soothing tongue is a tree of life, But perversion in it crushes the spirit.
Psalms 57:4-My soul is among lions; I must lie among those who breathe forth fire, Even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows And their tongue a sharp sword.
From: United States
For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.' ” — Galatians 5:14
The Great Commandment as well as the proverbial Golden Rule calls for others the equal manner and RESPECT we want for ourselves.
From: United States
Though in the Old Testament no commandment is found ordering to love thy enemy, there is a commandment to assist thy enemy in case of emergency in Ex 23,5: If you see that the donkey of someone who hates you has collapsed under its load, do not walk by. Instead, stop and help.
From: Dominican Republic
And eventhough I continue to try and assist ignorant jackasses like yourself out of the pit of undoctrinal heretical ignorance , you still have not demonstrated one ounze of ''true agape love'' nor have you offered to extend me the forgiveness of Christ I asked you for atleast 5 times ? Why ? Because it is not possible to truly forgive your brother from the heart nor truly love him with Christlike love unless the Holy Spirit of God dwells in you .. Therefore, just like the Jws, your ''good works'' that may get you one of those good seats that are still left are being done with improper motives to glorify yourselves and not the True and living God .
Guillemore , I am attacking your ignorance , not you , because you keep trying to give a defense for something you have subscribed to but are unable to explain , prove or support . Now please come back with the one who claims to be a JW and answer the questions that you are running from and please put your proverbs in context.
From: Dominican Republic
Btw hypocrite , you may even consider cleaning up your vulgar language and ''rash golden proverbial sarcasms''with the Love of Jesus if He indeed dwells in you and instead of praising others for living such ''godlyl lives'' start practicing what you preach !
From: United States
You ask to be forgiven but have failed to curtail the negativity in your language. It is you who needs to clean it up and the reason, I refuse and will not partake in any interaction or entertain the posibility to do so. I simply do not engage in conversations with those who have a conflictive personality. In spite of that I do not hold grudges, nor do I make judgements of others, that is neither part of me nor my persona. Nevertheless but equally true, who am I to judge and who am I to forgive "to err is human, to forgive is divine." Instead, if you feel you have sinned "Let the Almighty Jehovah God in the name of Jesus Christ forgive you. You can ask him, don't ask me for I am only a mortal who is nothing but like a simple insignificant drop of water in a bucket or a fine spec of dust on the scale.
YOU WILL GET MORE WITH HONEY THEN WITH SALT
Refrain from phrases as:
"ignorant jackasses..."
''rash golden proverbial sarcasms"
"heretical ignorance"
"Btw hypocrite"
From: United States
i value a person not by the things that they say but rather by the things they do and you have done little to nothing to show true christian values.
From: United States
"Guillermore , I am attacking your ignorance, not you."
Well apparently you seem to have a very hard time telling the difference. You are unable to distinguish between what is a personal and direct attack and what is a peaceful debate of an idea, concept or doctrine.
I will immediately stop and not go on any further the moment a discussion turns into verbal aggression, denoted by personal insults, something that I notice has been typically common in your mode of communication since the very begining of your posts. Maybe it was normal for you in your household and possibly for the people who raised you to be demeaning, insulting and disrespectful to others, but it was not the case for me. That is why I can not relate to your unorthodox preaching method, particularly from someone who calls or considers himself a Loving Christian.
From: Dominican Republic
AHHHH ! but the standard is Jesus Christ my friend , not Dominican Heartbeat , and not once during our debate have I claimed to live a sinless life or to immitate my Lords love as well I should which is why Im so thankful that it is by grace and not by my failure and inability to love and forgive as perfect as He commands me to even if that is the intention of my heart . Read Romans 7 and see how Paul described his own failure to live up to this standard .
However Guillemore , I have at the very least humbled myself and admitted to you where I have failed to demonstrate the Character of Christ during our debate with my well intended sarcasms that were more directed at winning an argument and puffing myself up than building up and I have asked God and yourself for a pardon . Btw, your quote is not biblical . To forgive one another is not only a command that Jesus gave His followers , but it is also a choice of the will, and only God is divine . Are you really his ?
From: Dominican Republic
If you accuse me of insulting and disrespecting you then that means you are obviously offended and hurt by my remarks be they true or not and that means I have sinned against God and you for deliberatly trying to insult you .
I call you a hypocrite because you accuse me of being a slanderous hatemonger but yet you seem to give no acknowledgement to your own sarcastic remarks or insults towards me e.g ''asshole,bobby joe , she'' , as if that is o.k in Gods eyes . Why ? I have admitted my guilt , are you innocent ? Have you not tried to insult me as well ? Lets be real and honest .
I call you an ignorant heretic because you are trying to relay facts about eternal spiritual issues of life or death that you obviously know little or nothing about but yet you keep trying to tell your audience everything about it which is why I ask you to answer the questions and support your claims that even the Jehovas that participated on this forum cannot do . I have nothing against you personally.
From: Dominican Republic
and Jesus said '' unless you forgive your brother from the heart his tresspasses, niether will your Father in heaven forgive your tresspasses ''. This was in response to Peters question when he asked Jesus , ''Lord , how many times should I forgive my brother when he sins against me , 7 times ?'' To which Jesus replied the above, but also said , '' not 7 times , but 70 x 7 times ''. Meaning, no matter how many times he sins against you , you are to forgive him if he repents , just as God forgives those of us who are truly His by faith in Christ everytime we sin and repent .
Peter then said '' Lord increase our faith'', but Jesus said , if you have faith as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain go throw yourself in the sea ''. In other words , great faith nor divinity is needed to be able to forgive , but only a willingness , Forgive begins as a choice , not a feeling . However, a true Spirit dwelt believer does need Gods power and not his own to be able to do this .
Written by: Jessie, 15 Apr 2010 3:15 PM
From: United States
I'm just going to state the facts: Nothing but apostate live and thrive off of this. You really can tell from the way each person speaks, especially from dominicanheartbeat). you have apologized and say you've repented and your not trying to offend anyone. ( really?) Don't say i'm late or don't get the message, I do. Yeah, you can quote scriptures, so could the pharisees, but do you really understand them.....
Written by: Jessie, 15 Apr 2010 4:33 PM
From: United States
I'm just going to state the facts: Nothing but apostate live and thrive off of this. You really can tell from the way each person speaks, especially from dominicanheartbeat). you have apologized and say you've repented and you’re not trying to offend anyone. Really? Don't say I’m late or don't get the message, I do. Yeah, you can quote scriptures, so could the Pharisees, but do you really understand them.....It’s like this: If you want an apple you don’t go to an orange tree to get it. So if you really want to know what/whom Jehovah witnesses are, just go and ask. I have a question dominicanheartbeat “What is god’s will?"
From: Dominican Republic
That none would perish , and that all would be be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth through faith in Jesus Christ ! Have you ? BTW, God is Capitialized my friend now what is your next question ?
Written by: Jessie, 19 Apr 2010 1:23 PM
From: United States
[PART 1] *NOTE: all scriptures are coming from the King James Version, since you believe that everythings is obsolete* I don't have another question and yes I have come to the knowledge of the truth. On your answer you are only 50% right. Jehovah wants us to come to an ACCURATE knowledge of him and his son Jesus. (John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”) also god's will includes what Jesus stated at Matt. 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." BUT the most Important is vindication for God’s Name. (Gen. 3:15- “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”)
Written by: Jessie, 19 Apr 2010 1:23 PM
From: United States
[PART 2 ] If you understood that prophecy, that woman is god’s kingdom and the seed are those who follow it and I hope you know the ‘Thee’ is Satan’s kingdom and its followers. Satan was trying to say that Jehovah had no right to rule as or be the Almighty God. Adam and eve listen to Satan thus starting that rebellion. So when Jesus came to earth he proved that we serve Jehovah because we love him. If you remember you say it in your prayers (Hopefully) first thing you say is: “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.” What does Hallowed mean? It means holy or honor or PURE is your name. Jesus sanctified not his own name but his father’s Name. Jehovah’s original purpose or will was for us to be happy serving him on earth forever, but Adam and Eve messed that up. So when Jesus came here he reemphasized God’s will at Matt. 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”
Written by: Jessie, 19 Apr 2010 1:24 PM
From: United States
You say Jehovah’s Witnesses only do good deeds but there the only ones who are following Jesus footsteps by preaching and teaching the bible. If you have any question on the BASIS OF OUR BELIFES ask me. It's really amazing how you say god, jesus, etc, but you can't call the Almight God by his name "JEHOVAH" its in your bible. Well atleast the older version have it.
From: Dominican Republic
The bible is correct when it says that ''Satan is the author of confusion'' and I have to admit that you are doing a very good job of it yourself lol. Its very clear that you have not taken the time to read and research the context and meaning of the sciptures which you quote out of context , but niether have you taken the time to read all the above posts before wielding your sword at me , because if you had , you would see that I have not only asked these questions that you nor any other JW can answer more than 3 times , but I have given you and your colleagues reasons for believing the hope I have along with documented proof and evidence to support my beliefs . Until you can do that , you are only allowing your oxygen tank of self righteous ignorance to get lower . If you jws truly ''know God'' and are the only ones following him , then you would atleast give Him the respect of spelling His name correctly . God capitalizes his name jessie . Just like the watch tower .
From: Dominican Republic
And the tumble weeds are blowing through the whistling wind outside a kingdom hall in Kansas this morning Dorothy ! Our theologian must still be reading through all the preceeding posts while waiitng for an elder to return from the spaceship he boarded back in 1975 when the world ended .
Maybe if he can meet the challenge of truth and prove me wrong 50% of the time by showing me that My translations ,interpretations and understanding of scripture is apostate(even though the original greek and hebrew manuscripts for each translation are the same ) , he will have an audience with me . Until then , I caution all readers to beware and take notice of what a wolf in sheeps clothing looks like when he comes to your door at 9.00 am on Saturday morning doing his good deeds of visitation in a 3 piece suit stained with kool aid so the watchtower does not expell him for disobedience to the elders.
From: Dominican Republic
jessie.
Just so you know , the verse you quoted from GEN,3-15. '' i WILL put emnity between you and the woman '' , is actually the very first prophecy in the bible fortelling the coming of Jesus Christ the Messiah and Son OF God , who would crush the head of Satan and destroy the work of Satan that began in the garden when he tempted ''the woman'' to sin by His death and Ressurection on the cross. Do the research.
Now answer me this ! If you die in the next five minutes , where are you going ? What is your eternal hope in this life and beyond the grave that you can offer me and everyone else when we pass on from this side of eternity and how many good works must we do if we are to be one of those 144, 000 lucky jackpot winners to get a seat on the next spaceship to the enchanted petting zoo that is coming back in 1975 ?
Who wrote the original watchtower doctrine and who inspired the wriitngs ? Can you prove it biblically ?
From: Dominican Republic
Did you know that the old testament says '' if a man claims to have a word from God and it does not come to pass then he is a false prophet and should be stoned to death ''. What happened to the guy in a new york deli who made the JWS ARMAGEDDON PREDICTION for 1975 ?
Please show me in the bible (any translation) where Jesus and Michael the Archangel are one and the same or just cousins ? the bible says that no scripture is of private interpretation and that all srcripture is inspired by God '' . PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER until you have finished reading all the preceeding posts as well as the complete word of God for yourself without the influence of the watchtower magazine which is written , inspired and dreamed up by men .
From: United States
DHB-Looks to me like this is a business transaction between you and God, negociated yourself a deal. If I serve you, will I go to heaven? You have repeatedly implied this motive in your posts. The JW's serve Jehovah with true sincerity in their hearts and not for a specific date or what they get out of it. They do not know the exact time for the end of the world system, but it gives them the opportunity to demonstrate that they serve out of a pure motive. Those that know Jehovah realize that any last-minute display of zeal will not impress him, deep down he knows what is in the heart. JW truly love God, will find the greatest delight in doing his will forever. Their earnest dessire is to please God and what moves them to put forth the kingdom first. Jesus counseled us to "keep on the watch...because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming." Let us, then, keep an eager alert of where we are in the stream of time. Let us be resolved to preach the the good news of God's kingdom
From: United States
The Watch Tower Society rejects accusations that explanations of Bible prophecy are not infallible and that its predictions were not claimed as "the words of Jehovah". It admits some of its expectations have needed adjustment because of its eagerness for God's Kingdom, but that those adjustments are no reason to "call into question the whole body of truth."
From: Dominican Republic
Are you still awake ? How much sleep did you loose trying to figure out that last retort which is only about a week late . Think faster Guillemore , Think faster if you can . Why dont you just admit that you are truly a J.W ?
Are you embarrased that you are part of a cult that has no biblical grounds to back up its claims ? I am not the only one who has bought these facts to light on this post that you and other '' self righteous arrogant '' poster children cannot support , which is why they run away when the truth hits them between the eyes , ( Just like the Devil ). Please tell me who dreamed up the idea of the watch tower and when it was written along with what authority that its vested with ?
If you serve me or look to me as an example of Godliness , you will surely perish . Jesus is the example and the standard which is why we so desperatly need His grace to save us . Unless you are able to live the perfect life that He did , your false gospel of works avails you nada !
From: Dominican Republic
Btw,
I am questioning myself as to why I am even giving you this much press at this time beings that you obviously did not drink enough Red Bull to stay in the discussion before bailing out for the third time already , but niether have you dared to show yourself man enough to admit your wrongs nor answer my original questions that you are so convieniently running away scared from lol . The truth hurts Guillemore but it will set you free compadre !
At this time I respectfully ask you to please refrain from all lines of questioning and further participation until you can atleast give me the respect of answering all of my previous questions that you clearly seem to be unable to generate answers to . If not ,we really have nothing further to discuss . Please save yourself further embarassment unless or until you can answer the questions .
I am going back to the beach now to enjoy my day off ! Hasta Luego
From: United States
Why is it so difficult for you to answer in a normal tone of speech and with out elements of sarcasm in your response. I want to interact, but you fail to make allowances for a civil conversation but rather continue to jab and stab with your tongue. And as I told you once before, if you continue I will not give you the benefit and the luxury of my response. You fight but you always break the rules and love to hit below the belt. In any match you will automatically be disqualified. I waited a little to see if you would calm down, but you are a perfect example of "what's the use." I am not afraid of you or anything you said. I believe in diplomacy as the most productive and effective tool when two people are in a dispute. I want us both to come out winners. We are all God's children but you have a different perspective on that and this is where you and I do not see eye-to-eye. I refuse to enter into a shouting match with you or anyone, I moved out of the ghetto many years ago.
From: United States
"........you are part of a cult that has no biblical grounds to back up its claims?"
First of all Jehovah's Witnesses deny they are a cult stating that individuals need guidance from God, but need to do their own thinking.
None JW's and unbias people, un-like you, know and understand the definition and the meaning of what exactly is a cult. For example American religious scholar J. Gordon Melton, Cult deprogrammer John Bowen Brown II and Joel P. Engardio, also reject accusations that the Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.
Secondly, The question as to why I am not a full fledge JW member is my prerogative and none of your business. Who cares whether or not I am a JW, it not important and not your problem. However, I will admit to have closely associated with them, intensely studied their teachings and have nothing but upmost respect for their organization and good things to say about them as individuals.
From: Dominican Republic
ROFL- LOL- ROFL -LOL-
I need to stop for a second and change my shorts lol. Where do I start ? First of all , you never here a fish peddler on the Sosua shorelines yelling rottin fish do you ? So why would you expect the Devil and his ''angels of light '' to yell cult when thier primary mission is to decieve the lost and keep them from coming to the knowledge of the truth that they might be saved . Of course they dont admit or believe they are a cult because they themselves are decieved . C'mon,Guillemore , you are more intelligent than that .
Secondly, You continue to use my sarcasm which I have already admitted to and apologized for as an excuse for not answering the unanswerable , but also as a self righteous cloak to hide behind your own sarcastic remarks and insults that you obviously feel justified for in the eyes of God and give no account or explanation to either of us for . Are you holier than thou Guillemore ? Does your crap not stink since you left the hood ?
From: Dominican Republic
And lastly, the fact that you are ashamed to admit the truth about what your not even sure you believe while claiming to be a child of Jesus as you claim your faith is nobodys business , is the very proof that one who is educated in the scriptures as well as being a child of God needs to know that you truly are an imposter and a deciever . Dont you know that Jesus said in the gospels that '' whoever is ashamed of me , I will be ashamed of them '' ? And that '' you are the light of the world , let your light shine before men '' ? The very last command Jesus gave his disciples was to '' go into all the world and preach the gospel to every nation and make disciples of them '' . A true follower of Jesus desires nothing more than to make his Lord known to the lost and dying world around him as this is a Christians primary purpose for being on this earth right now . As I said before Guillemore , '' what is down in the well always comes up in the bucket '' . Now please answer the questions !
From: United States
You will never learn DHB-First you apologize, then beg forgiveness for your behavior, yet continued with your tongue slashing in spite of numerous requests to refrain. Do I detect hypocrisy or poor impulse control? You totally ignored pleads to remain civil, it went into one deaf ear and out the other, then you have the galls to demand that I answer your questions. I know your true motive is to provoke a fight as a way to get me down and dirty, just so you can see me roll around with you in the mud, but I will do no such thing, lower my self down to your level. I will rather do my part, strive to remain as calm and gallant as possible, keep the "discussion" in high standards. We are talking about the word of God for Christ sake, can't you understand that, why is it so hard for you? And if I am really quilty of "sarcasm" that you accuse me to have committed, it is solely a reactionary stance to your aggressor approach against each and every poster that disagreed with you from day one
From: United States
"And lastly the fact that you are ashamed to admit the truth about what your not even sure you believe while claiming to be a child of Jesus as you claim your faith is nobodys business is the very proof that one who is educated in the scriptures as well as being a child of God needs to know that you truly are an imposter and a deciever"
Deceive who and for what purpose? Ashamed of what? What motive would I have to be ashame and to deceive? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????? Que te pasa? Tu ta loca o te hiede el caco? Creo que le está poniendo 5 patas al gato
Now, I am begining to question your mental stability. I did not make any claims to be the child of anyone, it is a given, you and I, Good or bad, we are all the children of the father God Jehovah and not Jesus Christ the son
The relationshiop that I have is personal, it is between me and God. I just don't see where exactly do you fit in, what role do you think you play here? If you are not sure, please stay out
From: Dominican Republic
Go back to bed Guillemore ! We are not all children of God though we are all his creation . Those who do not know Jesus through faith , are called ''children of wrath in the bible . I am a child of light . There is clearly a distinction made many times over in the bible between Gods children and the devils and if you read the scriptures you would know that , as well as knowing that Jesus calls us to '' turn the other cheek '' when we are attacked or insulted instead of using it as an excuse to justify unexplained insults and sarcasm . It is you who now needs to apologize to me while admit ting to God you were slinging insults to hurt me .Maybe you are afraid to do this because insulting a person in retaliation is sin against God and that would hurt a jws chance of getting one of the good seats now wouldnt it ? Again , you are using every excuse in the book for not facing the facts and admitting that you cannot answer the questions .
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 10:10 AM
From: Australia
Ive just read all the posts before me...Im stunned..how can a few of you turn what the Jehovah Witnesses do and are still doing in Haiti and other countries too...into ground mud. Do you not see that while you think you are been OH! so clever with words of warning against the JW's you are actually helping many to turn away from your own lies and deceit ...so that it raises the curiosity of ones who may not have ever spoken with us or taken an interest ...they do now. So thank you, For so many people who have come to know me and other Witnesses personally often say " you are nothing like what people that hate you say you are, your actually really nice and quite normal"...The truth will win out and Jehovah will see to this. JW's are not looking for glory when we put our hand out to others..its just what a true christian should do and Jesus is our example whom we follow...very closely. So instead of been a pharisee standing off in the distance laughing and jeering. Hold your tongue.
From: Dominican Republic
'' it admits that its expectations are in some need of adjustment but those adjustments are no reason to call into question the whole body of truth '' ???
HMMMMM ! Why does anything that is 100 % truth need any adjustments lol ? You have just proven to yourself that the Kingdom Hall is A FRAUD by issuing statements like that . If it needs some adjustments than it is not reliable is it ? Of course the JW doctrine needs adjustment and is totally unreliable because it was written and dreamed up by man . The bible was written by man under the inspiration of the HOLYSPIRIT of God and therefore is 100 % accurate in its predictions and prophecys . Why would any one subscribe to a man made doctrine that needs a tune up every 3000 miles ? Go back to the temptation in the garden . Satan always uses the same tactic by trying to twist the word of God as he DOES with the watch tower in order to decieve his victims .
From: Dominican Republic
Mamabear has lost her papa ? Please dont let your hand get stung in the honey hive of heresy the next time you grab the latest additon of the watchtower off the rack .
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 10:27 AM
From: Australia
dominicanheartbeat, Ive been reading and reading and reading ...what is turning out to be your own personal forum here and my goodness you certainly seem to have your facts straight??? NOT! For someone who is not attending or associating with the Jehovah Witnesses. All the stuff you are flinging about here is all so very old. Everything is progressive including our knowledge and understanding of bible truths. If you did find it in your heart to stop writing so much STUFF about the Jehovah Witnesses and actually go along to the meetings and listen you would realize that your blowing in the wind like a big old gnarly tree. How abouts you cross the border and go have a look at what the real truth is. Maybe lend a hand and help out a little instead of making it your Life ambition to spend so much time in an internet cafe sprouting off blah blah blah. Honestly your coming off as rather full of it. Its obvious to many here who you really are Mr Wolf ???
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 10:31 AM
From: Australia
LoL I love honey and so everyone knows the most wonderful publication The Watchtower is not grabbed off the rack but respectfully placed in our hands and in the hands of millions who really want to know the truth. Honey is a healer a soother a potion for those who are ailing...so a watchtower covered in honey ..oh how sweet the word is from our creator Jehovah....YUMMM!
From: Dominican Republic
And the proverb sats '' eat too much honey and you will get sick '' . Until you have gone back and read all of the above posts as well as the complete word of God , you have no right to be spewing your ignorance as you spill your kool aid on this forum . Your paw has been caught in the hunters trap and you know it , lest you give an answer to God and the questioners to questions which you cannot give a response . The very fact that you say that the jws doctrine has been revised with progress and understanding means that it was a fraud to begin with . The word of God has never changed and never will , but the words of ignorant men who seek to build followings after themselves will . Who is your ring leader and by what authority did he dream up the watchtower that you are falling off of ? Tell us about him and show us where the bible supports him and recognizes his spiritual authority ? If you had read all previous posts , you would see I have addressed all your accusations thus far .
From: Dominican Republic
Dont be late or the space ship that is landing in 1975 .
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 5:44 PM
From: Australia
dominicanheartbeat...you really do have such old arguments...I have read all that stuff on 1975..so do me a favor and go and read the whole article and the before and after sentence where the 1975 year was mentioned. Read it in context and anyone who can read can see what is actually been said. Stop been so Boring and contrary..your coming off as a naughty little child just making an argument for the fun of it. You will do anything to draw any credit away from Jehovah and his teachings in the bible...but oh thats right of course you will thats your whole agenda...to deceive confuse and malign. Satan is the father of the lie and he certainly made a career out of it...is this who you want to be seen as one of his sons. On whos authority and wisdom are you acting..certainly not Jehovah's. Your right the word of Jehovah will never change but we as humans in our understanding of it is progressive and the end story hasnt changed at all Jehovah day is coming
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 5:56 PM
From: Australia
I made no accusations on you dominicanheartbeat...Im just calling you out on your motives behind your flood of comments in any article on a positive note that has Jehovah Witnesses spoken of in a good light...you cant stand it! Im well aware as you are that not only I but you too will answer to Jehovah as to what we have been acting toward the word of Jehovah. The answers you say you have given are lies of deception and many will learn this for themselves and have been. Im not bothered at all on your flurry of words and references to me been the apostate..this is just a ploy and again a lie to deceive other readers into thinking it is I that is worshiping Satan. I see that I am comfortable using my grand creator and fathers name Jehovah, you do not seem to be...interesting in itself. My comments here are not to engage in conversation with you as such but to keep the balance and bring the readers attention back to the positives the article was originally written about.
Written by: MamaBear, 30 Apr 2010 5:56 PM
From: Australia
So on that note readers of this article and comments...If you would like to know more please feel welcome to ask anyone of the Jehovah Witnesses you see out and about or visit one of our kingdom halls to find out if we are really as this gentleman dominicanheartbeat says we are...Are the doctrines we follow really based in lies and deceptions. Or do we hark back to the times of true christianity. Will you find any pagan practices with in the walls of a kingdom hall. Is our leader a man made one or is it Jesus..the one who came on this earth and gave us such a fine example to follow. Is the bible really the word of god?? will all we see on this earth that makes us wonder if there is a god be always like this. Is there Hope? Most definately! We are here for a purpose we matter to Jehovah. We matter to Jesus so much so he suffered greatly as a human here on earth to give us a clear pathway and example to follow. Look and you will see ..Seek and you will surely find Truth
From: Dominican Republic
Please , for the 10th time I ask you , what is your hope that you have been given by the kingdom hall in this life and the world to come ? If you die today mama bear where will you spend eternity ? If you are not 100 % sure as I am , then your hope is not hope at all and certainly not a FAITH worth giving your life to . God is my Father because of my faith in Jesus Christ and I am His son . Jehovah is only one of Gods many titles and yet what you have is religion and not relationship . If you knew God and His word , you would atleast know that He capitalizes His name . You have obviously not read my former posts ! The jws have done nothing out of the ordinary in this situation . Even Athiests will open thier tear ducts and purse strings in times of tragedy , so dont speak as If your doing something so heroic and original . Your trying to crawl out of the corner of your round room with no explanation to support the Satanic recipes your selling to those who are seeking truth.
From: Dominican Republic
Furthermore, You accuse me of deceptive lies when I have done nothing but quote the bible verbatim which means that just like the devil himself , you are actually saying that Gods a liar . Now , I ask you and your self appointed leaders to come forth before God and explain to Him AND OUR READERS where I have twisted His word and prove where I am guilty of deception . But first , please show us the truth of the watch tower and answer the questions you are hiding from in fear of having been decieved yourself . The truth is mamabear , the bible says that YOU ARE under obligation to give an account of what you believe and why you believe it, '' Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks for the hope you have '' .1 Peter 3-15. Why does Peter say this ? Because people are looking for true hope beyond this world and Christ came to give us that eternal guarantee .If you cannot give us an explanation , then you dont have Christ in you and therefore you truly have no hope .
From: Dominican Republic
It is tragically sad that one would base thier whole existance around a doctrine that has not been validated , proven or documented by God ( The Father ,Son and Holy Spirt ) in His Word . The bible is thousands of years old and the watchtower is not even 75 ? From who AND WHERE did this fictionary author of the original watchtower get permission to tamper with the Holy Scriptures and form his own cult following ? If he himself could not give an explanation , it makes sense that millions of decieved followers that have gone after him are not able to either .
This is serious business mamabear ! We are talking about peoples eternal destiny here and nothing is more important to God than those that are lost and dying on thier way to hell because they do not know Jesus Christ and have rejected Him and His work on the cross . Therefore , you had better be able to explain and back up your beliefs because your playing with souls and God will hold you accountable if you mislead any of them.
Written by: MamaBear, 1 May 2010 11:06 AM
From: Australia
Readers of the ramblings above from dominicanheartbeat...please take note I will not nor do I have to defend what I believe to this person. He is deliberately trying to bait me and take up my time that is better served in helping others rather than crossing swords with an imposter and apostate. If you have any questions as to what we as Jehovah Witnesses do believe then all you need to do is ask. The witnesses do not ask for nor seek any recognition for helping those in need we did not ask for the publicity nor do we need it. We answer to Jehovah and he is whom we have an accounting with. The gentleman above is using this article to smear what is an act of mercy on those poor people and we do what we can when we can just like any good hearted citizen of this world would do. Understand that many peoples from many countries have and still are giving so much for the saving of the Haitian peoples. We need to put our opinions aside and work together for the good of all mankind.
From: United States
It is sad that someone like DHT who is obviously well versed in bible knowledge and appears to to be of good heart, has a negatively misplaced agression to attack and destroy the JW for no logical reason. To disagree is one thing but to take on a role that does not correspond to her earthly condition as Judge, Jury and Executioner is another. DHT seems to suffer from a compulsive obsessive disorder that focuses on discrediting anything the JW say and do regardless. Would it not be better and more productive to use all that energy and time to preach a positive message about the Kingdom of God? DHT is like the Pharisee who were well versed in the lettter of the law but lacked the spirit of the law. I have analyzed your posts and I wonder where did all that pent up frustration come from. Nevertheless, just like the pharisee you have demonstrated to know the law but not the spirit by attempting to exploit technicalities, loopholes and using ambiguous language against JW. Why the vendetta?
From: United States
Let Jehovah determine on judgement day if the JW's are worthy of Salvation and NOT YOU DHT. ESTAMOS !!!!
Your are so obsessed with making the JW look bad that you lost the true concept of Christian fellowship and again I repeat, you have placed the letter of the law above the spirit. It just can't be possible that someone with so much ANGER inside as you have repeatedly shown will have the blessing of God, It can not be possible.
Jehovah in the name of his Son Lord Jesus Christ is a God of Love, Peace and Benevolence, not of vengeance. "Christ did not come to destroy the "old" covenant but to fulfill it. It was always about love. All the Law can be summed up in this " to love God with all your heart, all your mind and all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself." Do you know the meaning? If you do, please show me don't tell me.
Follow this teaching DHT and you will feel so much better and have no need to attack the JW like you have done from day one. AMEN
From: Dominican Republic
Just answer the questions Guillemore and stop hiding behind your mama (bears) skirt little boy lol.
The bible says that ''there is no fellowship between darkness and light '' . The watch tower and the Jws are leading its followers and potential converts into hell while digging them out of the rubble after their Saturday morning visitations .( just like the pharisees).
They offer no hope nor explanation to thier potential victims as to what they believe and why they believe it and provide no biblical basis for thier man made heresies that are poisoning the minds of the simple to where they cant even spell Gods name correctly . Its capital g people ! You are as used car sales people that offer 100,000 mile warrantys on cars that wont make it half the distance . Admit it ! You are all scared to death to research the facts for yourself and discover that ''the god of this age has blinded your minds '' .
From: Dominican Republic
Mama bear ,
This is no smoke and mirror trick ! I am for the record deliberatly trying to ''bate you'' into telling us what you believe and why you believe it as I have done , but you and little Guillemore who is riding your skirt tails cannot do this . I have already asked atleast ten times what you said you would answer , but you came out of hibernation to late to read all of the posts to see that .
Perhaps I have done and am doing more for the island of Hispanola than all of you put together , but I am not going to blow the trumpet like the hipocrites and bring glory to myself like JESUS ACCUSED the pharissess of when they did thier religious deeds to be seen of men .
Guilemore the ignorant still does not see or has not read that it was Paul ( not DHB) that wrote ,'' who ever preaches a different gospel , let him be accursed ''. The Jws false gospel that is built on ''possible salvation'' by of good works is a false gospel much different than what Paul or Jesus preached .
From: United States
Show me the Spirit of God, Don't tell me the Law !!!! get it all out !!!!!
From: United States
i feel the love dht. peace to you !!!! get it all out !!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Btw, Mama said' lets put our opinions aside and work together for the good of humanity ''
Sorry Mama , but my faith is based on documented historical facts , not merely opinions . People who are lost and seeking truth and salvation need true facts , not opinions . Again , this is why I ask you what is your hope ? Eternity is much longer than time . If you and I were in Haiti together right now and we each saved a person from being crushed , but they still were going to die from the wounds recieved , is not thier eternal destiny the most important thing if they have only hours or days to live ? You and I can share the same shovel for the good of this world but it does nothing for the more important matters of eternity . At that point , we are not going to be working together . I am going to offer that person an eternal assurance backed up in scripture and you will offer them an extended warranty with many possibilities . In love , I suggest you get the facts ,not opinions.
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry G,
I have alot more love where that came from my friend and its obvious you have the time to feel it . It seems that you actually enjoy the love I give you friend because you just keep coming back for more lol. dONT WORRY G, if you go back into hibernation with mama , some other wanna be jw ring leader will put the gloves on and wake you up again in 3 more weeks so you can come and watch from the sidelines . Get the facts my friend and give me the answers .
From: United States
Admit it you just can't help your self. Eres burlona, You continually fail to show the fruits of the Spirit. one of which is self-control. Say all you want and laugh all you want, those things are not Godly. It is the work of SATAN.
Written by: MamaBear, 1 May 2010 11:30 PM
From: Australia
guillermone hey there its MammaBear. Im not even answering this self righteous dude dominicanheartbeat . Im not going to throw pearls so he/she can jump up and down on them and turn them to dust. DHB has every right to form an opinion based on his research, we are not asking him to defend his belief or the basis of his belief. Its all about the fact that he professes to be christian and yet acts in such an unchristian manner. I SEE Him/Her for what he stands for and so will not engage in conversation any further. You would do well to do the same. It will be to no avail and can he is hoping we become inflammed enough to enter into losing our own self control and then will stand back and say SEE everyone ..the Jehovah Witness LOOK AT THEM they are not christian at all. DHR's words are only destructive to himself but are dead words they amount to nothing and will fall on mostly deaf ears. My faith is deeply entrenched in thorough examination of history and bible research.
Written by: MamaBear, 1 May 2010 11:41 PM
From: Australia
For the public reading this comment forum...contrary to what DHR says ..I can tell you that the bible does have the answer to all your questions and that Jehovah Witnesses encourage a thorough examination of the Bible and that included convincing scientific, historical and geographical evidence of the absolute accuracy of the bible. You will not be bible bashed into submission and you will come to a very clear understanding of what the bible holds as far as hope and future for us all. We are and encourage debate on bible truth and all is laid bear for your examination there is no secrets or lies though many try to slander and malign our teachings. If you are wondering why I choose not to debate with DHR ..all I can see is verbal attacks on JW's. I will not engage and nor did Jesus in a slinging match with ones who stood on the sideline jeering and laughing at all his good works. I am only interested in debating with ones who are genuine in their motives for knowledge of the bible
From: Dominican Republic
Very slick mama , but very decietful . Im not asking you to defend the accuracy of scripture , I am asking you for historical evidence and a biblically based support and defense of A MAN MADE CULT known to the world as Jehovas Witnesses . All of the authors of scripture had authority and inspiration under the Holy Spirit when they wrote the words of each book .Who gave that authority to the founder of the watch tower and who was he ? Tell us about him if you can ? Can he give a biblical account and reference of himself like Paul the Apostle could to support his claims ? Will God authenicate and validate the mans ministry as He did His apostles ?
''Always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope you have ''
1 Peter 3-15.
What will you say to the potential converts that ask you this question mama ? You are commanded by God in scripture to back up your beliefs and explain your living hope that the jws have given you . Can you not ?
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From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore ,
During the course of this forum, the Jws (including yourself ) have done enough damage themselves to the stained glass image they are trying to sell the world . You dont need my help lol , and anyone who has the guts to take the time and read through all the preceeding posts will see this .( another bate and switch tactic of the enemy I suppose ). Not only have you sarcastically insulted me with your self righteous jw counterparts such as jessie and dipstick , but you have continually judged me and my motives while refusing to extend to me the unconditional love and forgiveness that Christ commands after humbly admitting my own guilt coupled with repeated pleas for your forgiveness . How can one like your self who is so well versed in the ''Spirit of the law '' so unable to demonstrate that loving fruit of the Spirit ? HIPOCRITE . Furthermore . Since Christ is the fulfillment of the law , then you should know that by the works of the law should no flesh be justified .
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 9:57 AM
From: Australia
Ho hummm Mamabear is getting ready for the winter hibernation here in Australia...Im too tired to listen to the ranting of dominicanheartbeat. Does he not understand that just like any written material there is an author...as with any magazine. For the general public the watchtower magazine's articles are written by bible students who are very well versed in the understanding of the scriptures. These men who are unnamed as they are not looking for personal glory..are I believe just as the men of old were and are inspired from Jehovah and the holy spirit. If anyone does believe the Bible is written by men with Gods direction..then they will understand also that The watchtower is an examination of the scriptures and nothing to fear..It allows for you to form your own opinions and gives merely the facts and backs these facts with historical...geographical and scientific facts founded by many peoples of all nations and walks of life. Very educational and so full of real hope.
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 10:04 AM
From: Australia
dominicanheartbeat makes reference to Jehovah Witnesses selling lots of things. I have had times that I have not been able to afford anything but food ...I was never not allowed to have something from the Hall...Knowledge of Jesus and his good works and of Jehovah and his promises for us are free...come take life's waters free. dominicanheartbeat says Im commanded to back myself with scripture ..to those who may find it a bit strange that I do not engage with dominicanheartbeat in what I would be pretty sure to be a poop throwing match..I do not see what purpose it would serve and nor would any of you reading all the mumbo jumbo ...Im experienced with this line of questioning and its never to any purpose as the only real way to find out if what dominicanheartbeat is accusing the Jehovah Witnesses of is to go find out for yourself and not let one mans word here be the authority on the subject. Im off to retire to my den ..I wish you all well in your quest for truth and knowledge. Bye
From: Dominican Republic
Mama will be missed and Guillemore will have to wait for another contender of the faith to come along and hire him as thier water boy before he goes another round lol . Mama, if I were as hateful and mean a man as you all are accusing me of being , I doubt that you would waste so much valuable hibernation time rebuking me for quoting the word of God verbatim while not being able to disprove me in my doctrine that you say is false and anti jw . Afterall , the watchtower ' just like any magazine '' full of opinions and empty of facts , still has to have an origin and an author .Who was he and what is its origin ? Even Jesus was accused by the pharisses of having a demon and doing the works of Beelzebub because He told the truth while doing great works in the name of God the Father . Mama, would you like to know how you too can have that blessed assurance of salvation and eternal security you have not heard or been taught about at the kingdom hall ?
From: Dominican Republic
Jesus did not choose the educated and the wise to spread the good news of His kingdom or pen the words of scripture , but on the contrary , He chose uneducated fisherman to be the pillars of the early church .The scripture says that God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise ''( dhb should be all the proof you need '). You have boxed yourself in to the corner of your round room and exposed the leaks in your doctrine . The bible which is our ultimate authority , leaves no room for forming our'' personal opinions '' . 2nd timothy 3;16 ,No prophecy of scripture is subject to private interpretation ''.
From: United States
"but you have continually judged me and my motives while refusing to extend to me the unconditional love and forgiveness that Christ commands after humbly admitting my own guilt coupled with repeated pleas for your forgiveness. "
You know DHB do I detect a sense of humbleness in your response? It is truely sincere or not just a predator distraction tactic, a trap set to see the prey fall and once down take advantage and then go for the kill? Please do not repeat what you have previously done, ask to be forgiven, but start right back up, with the ridicule, mockery and sardonic laughter. Please stop with the false accusations, that we are intoxicated with tainted "kool aide juice." How can you expect others to take you seriously and answer your questions, get into a discussion when you behave in such a childish manner. I have never judged you as you erroneously think, I am no one to judge, but I do question your motives, so you don't need my forgiveness, I only ask for an apology
From: Dominican Republic
'' But after that , the kindness and love of God our Savior toward men appeared . Not by works of righteousness that we have done , but according to His mercy He saved us .By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirt which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior , that being justified by His grace , we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life ''.
Titus 3 : 4-7
From: Dominican Republic
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , which according to His abundant mercy hat begotten us again to a lively hope by the ressurection of Jesus Christ from the dead . To an inheritance, incorruptible and undefiled and that fades not away ,RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR YOU ,WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF God THROUGH FAITH unto Salvation READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
1 Peter 1-3:15
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 11:34 AM
From: Australia
Nope Nope Nope ...never said you were mean or hateful. Uncharitable and very very aggressive in your words. You attack and use fighting words..your not instigating a deep and meaningful discussion...maybe thats why no one want to debate with you....You go careful to here about private interpretation..seems your doing a fair bit of your own and on top of that your writing complete inaccuracies on what the Jehovah Witnesses believe and teach...but hey you knew that anyway. Sorry I will turn down the invitation of certain salvation and eternal security..because Im pretty certain if I follow you words I will surely die...this whole attitude of yours is really obsessive....you just cant seem to let me sleep...now be a good boy and run along and belt some other poor suspecting Christian over the head with your wise words and visions of grandeur. You are what I would call a unit! Thats not a bad thing as it means very unique different ..but as long as it does not mislead or hurt others??
From: Dominican Republic
Why would some one as mature as yourself continue wasting his time off playing with children on the internet if you dont take them seriously ? Are you bored watching Mr. Rogers niegborhood ?
As long as I dont repeat what I already have, you can continue avoiding the unanwerable questions you keep running from in the hopes that you will some how come out looking like the winner of a lost cause who still managed to get the last word in if we ever finish this thread before Jesus returns lol .
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 11:45 AM
From: Australia
Ok please read up on who actually can enter the kingdom of the heavens ...read up about the resurrection to the earth...read up on who will be in the heavens with the king Jesus...you know the scriptures ..to a point but your not reading all of them in context you are missing so much out. You are twisting them to suit your own personal viewpoints.....I really dont like when only half the story is been told ..I know the full story and the end story and that is the one Im staying with. I do not have nor want an earthly hope ..I want to Jehovah willing ...to live in a paradise earth and raise my baby cubs in peace and true security that is not man made and nor will be. If your objective here is to save my soul...give it up ok ...I have my fingers in my ears and Im going lalalalalalal ...I cant hear you so get behind me ....sighhhh thing is I know your never going to stop this is your forum you own it and thats that..you can keep it. Enjoy the sound of your own voice. LoL
From: Dominican Republic
Good night sweet mama ! I hope you get one of those coveted 144,000 seats on the the last train to the enchanted petting zoo that left in 1975 . You have still failed to discredit my doctine that you say is inaccurate ?
Anyway , the invitation stands and I will let the word of God speak for itself and you can read it for yourself ,beginning with the verses I posted above and do what you want with them .
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 11:55 AM
From: Australia
guillermone an apology from this guy...[picture mamabear rolling around on the floor laughing] He does not apologize..and I have to say it his apologies need to be directed to Jehovah not us personally. Was it in todays text about they might laugh and ridicule but we need take no note as this is not what we should focus on. I dont mind playing with dominicanheartbeat...but take him seriously..no way! We are just toys to him ...fun to goad and see if we lose our self control see if he can make us sin ..then say look at that everyone..they are sinners.. I love writing and playing with words [can ya tell] but a serious biblical debate is not what you do in this sort of forum..Jehovahs word is too precious to be smeared and bandied around this place has no dignity. It did right at the beginning with that lovely article then along came Mr anti Jw DHB and tried to snatch away the positivity..he does it all the time..its his agenda and he has made a career of it...so lets play LoL
Written by: MamaBear, 3 May 2010 12:02 PM
From: Australia
hahahahah you have a way with words what a crack up...coveted 144,000 seats on the the last train to the enchanted petting zoo that left in 1975 hahahahahha
where do you get this stuff from.
oH thats right I know ..wink wink nudge nudge say no more...LoL
I could sit around and grow some wings ...take a magical carpet ride to heaven..hang out for a thousand years and come back down...ditch the wings and live happily ever after....
or I can do what Bears do ...sleep for a thousand years and then come out of my cave to a wonderful new world...now that would be so cool !
From: United States
"You have still failed to discredit my doctine that you say is inaccurate?"
The focus is not whether to "discredit" or give "credit" it is not about that, but rather it is to achieve discernment, reach a harmonious understanding, gain greater spiritual wisdom, improve our relationship with God, spread the "good news," preach by example, put forth and convert our faith into positive concrete action.
You see DDT this is exactly my point and the whole issue here. If you wish to achieve anything productive, then eliminate the confrontational aspects of your interactions, get rid of the animosity and conflictive nature in your approach, the adversarial "you against me" mindset is not good, you gain nothing and should avoid it at all cost. If anything there is a greater possibility that you will lose credibilty and be labeled a trouble maker then anything else.
From: United States
"During the course of this forum, the Jws (including yourself ) have done enough........"
To DHB-Unfortunately, I can not consider myself a JW, I am neither worthy enough or have the privilege to hold such an honorable title nor quite ready to dedicate and commit my life to the service of God. I believe, I am however, what you might call a "de facto" JW in the heart, by practice or actuality, but without official recognition.
From: Dominican Republic
Mama,
Paul himself said he was the chief of sinners and then went on to write that '' all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God '' ROM 3-23 . Isaiah wrote that '' our righteousness is as filthy rags ''.
You dont need me (who also is a sinner ) to tell you that you are a sinner also when God Himself tells you this in His word . Why do you the continue to play and waste so much time with one you dont take seriously ? Sorry mama , but guillemore makes a horrible running mate and both of you have still failed to not only answer my questions , but you have failed to show me where I am guilty of being an apostate who preaches false doctrine out of context ? Please show me where I am out of context and since you say that I am wrong , please tell me what the truth is mama , and tell me what hope you have to offer to me that is better than the one God has made to me in scripture ? I will atleast give you the respect of listening while reserving the right to prove you wrong .
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore ,
All along you have accused ME of being an apostate ( read the preceeding posts ) and now you say the goal is not to discredit but to spread the good news of a false gospel of possible salvation by works .
Guilliemore , since you cannot answer the questions I have been asking you about the credibility of the JWS , perhaps at the very least , you could please tell us what the ''good news '' is and how one can go to heaven and what they must do to have eternal life and assurance of that . Please back this up biblically . You have wasted your time trying to make a case out of my imaginary anger problem that has become your latest fetish you are trying to convince the world of in a feeble attempt to hide behind the skirts of paper weight contenders like yourself who CAN GIVE NO EXPLANATION FOR THE HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE while bashing and criticizing the ones that do have it and can give a biblically backed explanation for it .(TIENES CELO QUIZA ?)
From: Dominican Republic
Very intresting comments from someone who has '' finally come out of the closet '' and admitted that he has not given his life to the service of God and yet markets himself as an authority on scriptures and the watchtower . As I have said over and over , '' If a man stands for nothing , he falls for anything ''. Guillemore my friend , Im sorry but you have to make a choice ! Jesus was either Lord , liar or a lunatic . If He is Lord , and it seems that you would argue the later , than you are accountable for giving your life to Him while reserving the right to reject Him as well .
From: Dominican Republic
But God who is rich in mercy, for His great love where with He loved us , even when we were dead in sins hath quickened us together with Christ .( By grace you are saved ), and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Jesus Christ , that in the ages to come ,He might show us the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Jesus Christ .
For BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES . IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST .
For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS which God hath forordained that we should walk in them ''
Ephesians2 ;4-10
From: Dominican Republic
'' For WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved '' Rom.10-13.
This is the good news as set forth in scripture . This is why the gospel literally means '' good news my friends . In the original greek, ''whoever'' means any and all . not just a favored or select few . Salvation and eternal life in the new heaven and the new earth is an open invitation to any and all who wish to be saved and is only attainable because Jesus Christ died for us and rose from the dead , fulfilling the requirements on the law that were against us in His life and nailing them to His cross in His death . You SEE THAT THE WORD SAYS THAT SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT ' so no one can boast that thier own goodness saved them. The good works a Christian does are not unto salvation , but rather a result of there salvation that God has prepared in advance for them do do after they have been saved by faith .
From: Dominican Republic
Are there conditions ? Yes . If there is good news , that means that there has to be bad news as well . The bad news is that '' all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God '' and because we are sinners , we need a Saviour . In order to obtain this promise of salvation , one must first admit that they need to be saved . It begins with humility ( seeing yourself as God sees you ) .According to God , our greatest need is to be forgiven which is why He sent His Son in our place to live the life we could not and then to be the perfect and acceptable sacrifice for our sins who would die in our place ,that just by believing that His blood was enough to pay for our sins , we could have His very righteousness given to us just by believing and asking . You not only have to admit you are a sinner in need of a Saviour , but you have to want to be saved . The very fact that salvation is a free gift from God means you can do nothing to earn it . Only ask and you shall recieve.
From: Dominican Republic
'' If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead , you shall be saved '' . Romans 10-23.
From: United States
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From: United States
"Very intresting comments from someone who has '' finally come out of the closet '' and admitted that he has not given his life to the service of God and yet markets himself as an authority on scriptures and the watchtower ."
Huh (?) Never stated that I was an authority, don't know where you get that one from or is it that for you, I come across as an authority? Thank you for the compliment, never knew you cared.
Since when do I need to come out of the closet ? From day one I clearly stated that I had great admiration for the JW and for the work that they do. I said that I studied their teachings and associated closely with them, plain and simple. I was very forth right about it. But you kept on about me being ashamed, that I was hiding but you went on and on, blah, blah, blah. How pathetic. In order for some one to call himself a JW one must make the final step and dedicate his life through baptism and once consumated it becomes a spiritual contract with God and Jesus Christ
From: United States
Nevertheless, DHT need to change your tone. You want to discuss bible doctrine within the confines of a battle zone and that is a wrong arena for such an event. Being combative is not what it is about. You remind me of a kid at a school yard looking around to see with whom to pick a fight and similar also to an argumentative child or reballious teenager that no matter what the parents say the youth is determined to be contradictive for the sake of a contradiction. This is the reason why I refuse to engage myself with you.
Please don't show me darkness, let us rather discuss and debate the word for the sake of finding truth, to help us see and reach the light, achieve greater wisdom and spirituality and not to prove me wrong. Just leave your contentious mood for another place and another time, most certainly not here in this forum. We do not need disputatious and quarrelsome posters to come and instigate a conflict particularly when it involves the word of God.
From: United States
DHB-"to spread the good news of a false gospel of possible salvation by works"
You see this is where you get confused and this is the difference. The JW believe that Jesus died for our sins, God gave the blood of his son in ransome sacrifice, salvation could not be possible had it not been for Christ. The JW's believe the same thing, but you are confused about the JW concept of "salvation by works." That is not true what you think
The JW put as much enfasis on salvation by grace and they do by showing God Love and appreciation for the blood of Christ through action and works. JW's show the Love and appreciate God's grace. They are the only religious Christian organization on earth that actually practices grass roots preaching going door-to-door. Do you know how hard that is? DHB you can't imagine the meaning. It is an inmense sacrifice to leave the home and family and knock on some ones door who is not going to appreciate it. But they follow Math 24:14-That is faith in action
From: United States
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But to say that the Jehovah Witnesses believe salvation is gained exclusively by works alone is totally untrue and that is the complete falseness you are spreading and reason you need to be better informed before you start to defame a virtuous group of Christian people, who are only human that like you and me, can commit imperfections, but are willing to do right and try to do good and be their best, but most importantly want to please God Almighty Jehovah.
He died for all, so that they who live might no longer (A)live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.-2 Corinthians 5:15 (New American Standard Bible)
From: Dominican Republic
Guillemore ,
Why do you comtinue to engage me after swearing not to engage me any further time and time again ? Obviously my ''anger '' or percieved tone is not so offensive that you can continue to keep coming back . I for one would not continue to re-engage in civil dialouge with an uncivilized school yard bully .
Jesus did not say to '' go witnessing door to door '' . He said go into all the world and '' be witnesses '' . My personal evangelism takes place on the battle field of life under the power and authority of the HOLY SPIRIT , and is lived out before the lost and dying that are placed in my sphere of influence . Only the JWS want to make a show of it . Millions of evangelical christians are going door to door for your information , but they are not doing it to promote the Kingdom hall . Preaching the word to me is an honor , not a burden or great sacrifice of obligation as it is to you .I do this every day all day under the Spirits power . Can you imagine that ?
From: Dominican Republic
G,
What about th thief on the cross ? He never did a damn thing except ask '' Lord , remember me when you come into your kingdom '', to which Jesus replied ,'' I tell you the truth , today you will be with me in paradise ''. This was a death bed conversion . The guy never got baptized , never went door to door and never went to Haiti with a shovel . It was a total transaction of faith . It was all in the heart , not the hands . The fact the the thiefs hands were tied is the shocking symbolism that HE COULD DO NOTHING TO EARN HIS SALVATION BUT ADMIT HE NEEDED TO BE SAVED AND THEN ASK .
This is why I quoted John 6-28,29 ,'' Then they asked Jesus, what works must we do to do the works of God ?'' and Jesus answersed them and said ,''This is the work of God ,that you believe on Him that He sent ''. If you check the original greek , you will see that the word today , literally means today . Immediatly the thief would be ''absent from the body present with the lord '' 2 COR,5-8.
From: Dominican Republic
Yes , BAPTISM IS A COMMAND, BUT, it is a work ,and it is not a condition for salvation . It is only as I said before'' a work of obedience that proves you are saved''. My baptism was a work I did in obedience to God because I was saved, not to get saved . God does not want contractors Guillemone , God wants children . My BAPTISM WAS A PUBLIC DEMONSTRATION AND CONFESSION OF A NEW INWARD REALITY, of a commitment to Jesus Christ . In the same way , the wedding ceremony and the ring on your wifes finger does not make you love your wife till death do you part , it only demonstrates to the world that you already do love her . You dont marry her to fall in love with her, you marry her because you do , which is why I doubt anyones love for a woman if they insist on living with her without marrying . Co-habitation involves no contract or commitment . In the same way, anyone refusing baptism, obviously has not committed to Christ, unless they had a GOOD reason like the thief.
From: Dominican Republic
At this point Guillemone , I would like to request a new beginning in our dialogue if that is possible . Again , I will humbly ask you and all other Jws that either have and are still reading these posts for your forgiveness for any prior sarcasms or offenses I have made against you personally as individuals .
I have already admitted my guilt more than once and do so again for the record . The bottom line is that this is not about Guillemone nor Dominican Heartbeat , but like everything , should be about the glory of God and the advancement of His eternal kingdom and those that are lost and dying with no hope beyond the grave as they face an eternity in hell seperated from the love of God because they rejected the love and work of Jesus Christ . Would you agree ?
At any rate, lets agree to disagree in love giving grace to one another and perhaps when this thread has run out of line, we can even be genuine friends who eat a fried fish together on Sosua beach one day ?
From: Dominican Republic
That said , If you wish to go on , perhaps you can tell me in no uncertain terms with biblically backed evidence what the Jws believe in response to my questions . I reserve the right to be wrong in my research as well if you can prove me so . The problem is G, that I HAVE found in my experience over the years and on this forum , that there is a great gap of inconsistancy between most jws as to what they say they believe . If we had ten on this forum right now , chances are that 8 out of 10 would not agree on the same things . Instead of answering directly, they ask people to ''come to the kingdom hall and find out '' what they say they believe , yet they are the ones responsible for explaining and giving a defense for the hope they have as Peter wrote.
I would like to know what you have to say in response to the verses I already quoted in Titus and ephesians and Romans and expain how works has anything to do with our salvation . I also want you to tell me what the good news is ?
From: United States
DHT THANK YOU so much -I appreciate your humbleness. I think you and I are saying pretty much the same thing only in different words. But I believe we are finally coming to an understanding and this is what mattters, not important our past exchange of words rather let us look ahead instead. Anyway, I want to place this discussion to a rest. You gave it all you got, with all your might and I do admire your sincerity of faith and zealous Love for Christ. I will never blame or critisize you for that.
Yes, I will share and tell you about the good news. However, for now I need to to take a break. I have a very busy schedule and have taken time away from my secular responsibilities to post on this site. I have two jobs, family, a business and still manage to dedicate time to spiritual matters, when, it should be the other way around. But I do promise to come back. I expect it to be a short recess, but I will return. Again thanks and May Jehova God in the name of Christ bless you. AMEN
From: United States
PS No I am not running away, from your question. Perhaps another poster can spend some time with you while I am on a recess.
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, I agree ! The hierarchy of prioritys in our lives should be GOD, family , job and then friends . Nobody was busier then Jesus during His 3 years of public ministry and yet nobody found it more nessecary to spend time alone with His Father in heaven then He did , which is why the gospels always refer to Him going to deserted places, mountains or by the sea to pray before the sun came up . Everything Jesus did flowed out of that alone time He had from His relationship with the Father . It has been a long and winding road and its strating to take longer to get to the last post then it is to write the next one lol . Paul was one of the wisest men of his time and even he said to the Corinthians '' that I didnt come to you with impressive words of wisdom , but I purposed to know nothing among you except Christ crucified ''. This is the only thing I want to communicate as well in closing . Jesus Christ came to give us hope and that we '' might have life and have it more abundantly ''
From: Dominican Republic
Had Christ not come , all would be under the death sentence facing eternal seperation and damnation from God . I leave you with this my friend . If you were to breath your last breath today , where would you be the second after ? Would you be with God your father or God your judge ? Would He say to you ,'' Well DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT , enter in to the joy of your Lord , Or would He say ,''Depart from me ,I never knew you ''? ( read Matthew 7) . The issue is not weather or not we are politically correct with our denominational titles and divisions (e.g Baptist Jehovas witness , Evengelical born again ), but rather that we believe in and agree upon the truth set forth in scripture as God has written . I mean , what is more important than where we will spend eternity in light of how fragile this life and world is ? ''That is why Jesus said dont be afraid of what man can do to the body , but rather fear God , who has the power to cast both body and soul into hell ''.
From: Dominican Republic
Therefore , if heaven and hell are real as the bible teaches , than it makes sense that nothing is more important than making sure we go to one and avoid the other, as well our primary mission to make sure that others make that decision by spreading the Good news of the Gospel ''. Therefore , we must be sure of what the truth actually is and agree upon that to have any true fellowship in His name . There can only be one truth , and the word of God is powerful enough to speak for Himself . Like Paul ,I will continue to preach salvation by grace through faith alone because that is what makes the good news truly good news . If my works are contingent upon that salvation , well that is VERY bad news, because just how many of them must I do and just what are them works I must do ? Its much easier to take His yoke upon us and have His very righteousness imputed to us by faith and let the life He lived fulfill the law for us when he nailed the punishment we deserve to His cross.
From: Dominican Republic
Is the law against the promises of God ? God forbid , for if there had been a law given that could give life than righteousness would be by the law , but the scripture has concluded ALL UNDER SIN, that the promise by faith might be given unto them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law ,shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed .Wherefore, the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith , but after faith came we are no longer under a schoolmaster .FOR YOU ARE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH in Jesus Christ ''.
Galatians:3-21,26
I will finally end this by saying that the word of God can speak for Himself,and we are all accountable to know what that word says to us .Let us be Berians and read the entire scriptures for ourselves and not take other peoples word for our eternal destiny ,asking the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth as He promises to do for those who ask .
God bless all of you,
Love DHB
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So, James says faith and works or divinity/ ethics.
But Paul says faith alone or divinity.
Heartbeat sees no contradiction, although Nazarenes used to burn up each other over this difference. The followers of Paul burned more followers of James than vice versa.
But Heartbeat sees no contradiction.
With Paul, faith, thur grace, may even save those whose works are all bad.
Heartbeat doesn't see the difference between necessary and accidental; so he confuses them.
James was right and Paul was wrong.
In deed, Witnesses are with James, with Paul in word.
Witnessses are more Nazarene than most Nazarenes.
Heartbeat, does the dead save, too?
James didn't seem to think so. And, the Witnesses don't seem to think so.
What Paul is talking about is the dead which can't even save itself ... with or without works.
The Witnesses are serious about save. To them, save is nothing to play with. To Witnesses, save says your must do something other than talk like an expert of divine beings.
Heartbeat, you're not an expert on divine beings, because you don't even know how get save. The Witnesses will never let you join them.
I hope the followers of your Nazarene sect send their Haitian relief money to the Witnesses, not to your sect where the money is unlikely to be used for good works, because your sect is dead ... most unlike the vivacious Witnesses.
"No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
A work of art.
Belial
The JWS have just pushed Belial off of the 3rd floor balcony of the watch tower and he has apparently suffered a slight head laceration on the way down . Now he has a better excuse to bring the teacher to class tommorrow when she asks him if he read the homework assignment that Pastor Heartbeat gave him to research. Perhaps Blu will write the note for him lol. Dont worry Belial , they are still making that kool aide up in the Cibao if you find yourself dry heaving to an unquenchable spiritual thirst .
'' because you dont even know how get save ''
Is your poetic justice inspired by Blutarskys ''work of art'' a result of the head injury or is the kool aide already starting to take affect ? Now lay down lil B..and papi will read you the forward section of '' Habana before Castro '' ,and if you start having visions of the bearded one flying around the Washington monument on his broomstick smoking a stogie , its only the fist stages of hallucination ..Now take another sip !
It is painful to many or most Nazarenes to face ethics in discourse or action. They switch the topic to divinity, talking about, among other things, their alleged relationship with a divine being(s) as if this alleged relationship substitutes for ethical performance or discourse.
Witnesses, whatever one thinks about their ideas about divintty, proudly perform and communicate in the sphere of ethics. They don't use their alleged relationships with divine beings to evade their duties under moral law.
That is why the gospel is translated '' the good news '' in greek ''. There cannot be good news unless bad news existed first . The bad news was that under the law , all were condemned to death and guilty in the eyes of God and no amount of '' good works '' no matter how noble were enough to satisfy Gods judgement . For a man to be justified by the law and good works , he would have to of lived the life that Jesus lived and that is a perfect and sinless life .. The good news is that Christ in His life and death took the handwriting of the law that was against us and nailed it to His cross therefore filling the requirements of the law for us .
A wedding ring on a persons finger does not marry that person , but only outwardly symbolizes an inward reality , correct ? In the same way Belial , A believers works do not save him , they only prove that he already is a believer . His outer visible works are the proof of an inward living reality and the saving faith he professes to have ...
A wedding ring on a persons finger does not marry that person , but only outwardly symbolizes an inward reality , correct ? In the same way Belial , A believers works do not save him , they only prove that he already is a believer . His outer visible works are the proof of an inward living reality and the saving faith he professes to have ...
HAVE YOU FINALLY taken your little finger out of yours ?
I would certainly consider it bad news for anybody that thinks that if they ''do enough good works '', they might be lucky enough to get one of the only 144,000 seats available on the last space shuttle to the new mother earth . ( and you thought the 70 virgins was off the wall ). These poor J.Ws are trying to earn a lottery ticket that they cant cash in for thier good works . How sad . A person can do all the right things for all the wrong reasons , and if those works are being done to bring glory to ourselves and not God, then we do them in vain . I would rather take the train of grace in to glory with a guarantee .
Its very simple . If we say we have faith and it produces no good works in our lives , then we have to question if we have really come to the knowledge of the truth ..Anyone who says they have faith and thier life remains unchanged should as Paul said'' examine themselves to see if they are in the faith ''.
Are these new repoters on the DT payroll?
What amazes me is how JW's have suddenly changed their tune. They've always been an exclusive religious movement, and according to this piece now they espouse the Millenium "unity" consolidation trend. Sounds like they've joined the United Nations and the World Council of Churches over the weekend.
On another note--on one of my recent trips to La Capital, I was impressed by a majestic edifice within a fenced pristine green lawn compound. Heck, my brother is a Mormon LDS, now;
What is going on? Several scores ago they were strictly a Caucasian British Israel religion? Sounds like even the LDS's and JW's have been drinking at the Vatican 2 Ecumenical well (Babylon water).
Funny, How things change?
Yesterday it was a solemn hymn, today it's an "inclusive" world beat number......WE are the World........we are the children....!
From: Canada
The origin of all Watchtower teachings that makes them unique over all other religions is their creed of Jesus second coming 'invisibly' in the year 1914.
The Jehovah's Witnesses actually have roots with the Seventh Day Adventist, they both have common origin in the William Miller apocalyptic movement of the 18th century.
trutoday:
You are partially right on the JW's. My grandpa, and my aunt were JW's. I've known these folks for a few years. The return of Jesus Christ in 1914 in secret is one of their strangest doctrines.
On the common origin with Seventh day Adventist: I disagree. That the father- of the founder of the early JW movement Taze Russell was a Millerite, doesn't imply that they share a common origin! During the mid of the 19 Century thousands of people joined William Miller's Movement (of which the SDA's directly trace their roots) to await Jesus' return. In 1844 most abandoned the movement.
William Miller's Movement called people out of all the dead churches in America to await the imminent return of Jesus Christ in His Second Advent. That's how they took the name Adventists, by anticipating the Lord's return. William Miller organized revival rallies around New York state, New England, the Northeast; There were several thousands who abandoned the Mainline Protestant Churches. The Church of God was born out of the ADVENT movement, but, became British Israel believers....However, the JW's did not originate from the Seventh day Adventist movement; That is a gross assumption. Mormons, JW's and even the Bahai movement began around the mid 1800's. It was an interesting time, but, William Miller miscalcualted Jesus' return, therefore the movement faded out...A small remnant eventually accepted the Sabbath (7th Day), a few years after Miller passed. 1844 was a special year indeed.
A nation was also born...
Mi Quisqueya!
trutoday you're 1/2 right.
How so? Read back at some of these offensive post by posters who imply that they are not active JW members but "neutral" observers.
They are lying as they are real JW who are shilling ....scientology pulls this same stunt.YES JW lie and lie and lie they just can't seem to stop it as all they can do now is bash critics as their daffy doctrines cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Shame same shame....
Please ...please know what "LOVE BOMBING" is, look it up before you get involved with Jehovah's Witnesses and similar groups.
Come out come out where ever you are ? Maybe our '' nuetral observer '' is singing chorsus of '' all along the watch tower '' this morning as he trys to recover from the kool aide and a fresh case of genital warts ..Maybe he has convinced his colleagues to create a 145th thousandth seat so he too can be one of those lucky few that get to carry his pet bear cub into the enchanted garden after he has helped enough old ladies across the street.
Too bad the internet cafe closed at 9.30 last night G., but being the scholar that you are ,iF YOU HAVE RE-READ MY POSTS, you will discover that everything I have said is a direct quotation from the word of God verbatim and not words of myself ...Therefore , if you see contradictions or incosistincies( and I wish you would point those out so I would stand corrected) then your problem is not with me , but rather with the Holy Spirit who wrote these words ...
You can kindly point out to me and Belial where we are guilty of hate crimes in the first degree. Talk about ignorance.
I think I was very clear that you were in agreement with me when I quoted James 3 '' Show me your faith without works but I will show you my faith by my works''. I gave the wedding ring analogy . I said '' a ring on my finger does not marry me but it only proves to the world that I am . The vows are what marry a couple . The wedding ring ( like baptism) is only an outward sign of an inward reality. In the same way, Faith without works is dead . I cannot see faith in someones heart even if I hear thier words , however, I can see thier actions which speak much louder about what they profess.. If you read the context , James went on to say,''you believe in God , you do well for even the devils believe in one God and tremble ''. What he is saying is that Many people claim to believe in Christ but are not truly His, True faith looks like something.
You're headed in the right direction with your studies... I would encourage 1cor4:6
: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. 7 For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]?
Take Care....
Thank you for a true Spirit given word of exhortation that I have taken to heart.. Paul said '' if I must boast , I will boast in my weaknesses '' ..I admit and confess that so much of the time I love to step on my fragile soap box made of tooth picks and give my eggshell ego a shot of botox , but God in His tender mercies is always faithful to let Humpty Dumpty fall of his great wall once in a while to keep things in perspective .. God Bless....
Intravenous usually refers to giving medications, food, or fluids through a needle or tube inserted into a vein, which allows immediate access to the blood supply.
Once in a while they have an orchestrate media puff piece like this article that ignores their terrible internal strife.
Belial, unless or until you have read the book for youself I suggest you stay on the topic of anti -imperialism and beings that its obvious that you dont do the research before farting out of your pie hole , one has to wonder if there is any credibility to ANYTHING YOU TRY TO SELL YOUR AUDIENCE about any issue for that matter....Its Saturday morning Belial and I think Papa Smurfs repeats will be on for you shortly..
Its obvious you are an imposter AND a veil mender AS YOUR WORDS HAVE GIVEN YOU AWAY ......
What is so hard to understand about '' I will Show you my faith by my works ' ?..You see these innocent little Jws preaching thier kool aid recipes in the streets as harmless as doves and YOU buy a YEARS SUPPLY OF THE POWDER MIX ....tHE DEVIL ALWAYS COMES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT AND AS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.
When Jesus was dying on the cross ,there were 2 thieves on each of his side crucified with Him . The one thief before he took his final breath said '' Lord ,remember me when you come into your kingdom'' .Jesus replied, I tell you the truth that today you will be with me in paradise''.. This man would never get baptized , put money in the offering tray or help one homeless person . The symbolizm is that his hands were literally tied
and he could and did do nothing to earn his salvation . It was a total transaction of faith ..Or havent you read on more than 1 account when for example ,the women caught in adultery came weeping before Jesus and He said , daughter be of good cheer , YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED YOU , now go and sin no more... Jesus did not add any additional burdens or requirements . Romans says that '' If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead ,you will be saved '' It does not say that if you go witnessing with your propagand literature and help Haitians out from under the rubble and 1000 old ladies across the street you will be saved.....
However, And I will finally rest my case.. If this faith I say I have is a true saving faith , then Its going to prove itself in the things that I do , not in the things that I say .. James is seperating the men from the boys ..'' I will show you my faith by my works ''
Here is a report about a group of people who seem to be doing something positive about a hopeless situation - and 90% of the posts seem to be vilifying them for their beliefs!
What's the connection?
Instead of negative comments, wouldn't a few words of appreciation and a question "what am I and/or my religion doing to help the situation in Haiti?" be more constructive?
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This lack of ethics and taste on Heartbeat's part exemplifies and typifies the moral depths to which this repulsive and reactionary sector of the Nazarene movement has sunk. Bereft of ethics, taste, and class, these Nazarene reactionaries cling to a divinity which they never observe in works.
Your Nazerene was crucified, not hung !
I will quote the Lord again,
'' When you do your good deeds '' dont be like the hypocrties that want to be seen and recieve glory from men. I tell you the truth ! They already have thier reward. '' But you, when you do your good deeds , dont let your right hand know what the left hand is doing and dont blow the trumpet on the street corner for all to see, but do your deeds in secret andyour Father who sees in secret will reward you openly ..''
Belial , even if I have fed 1000 homeless people on the beaches of Miami where I live , you nor anyone else is going to know about it so that God and not myself is glorified by these works ...I do the works I do not to ''get saved '' but because I already am .. Do you still fail to see the difference.. Im sorry , but you will not be able to use Heartbeats lack of moral performance that failed to live up to your expectations on the Day you stand before the throne of almighty God and
They pulled the same scam in the US hurricane Katrina they rebuilt a few homes with their volunteer labor force and the Watchtower 'took' the insurance money as a 'contribution.
Don't get me wrong there are humanitarian loving JW's it's their predatory leadership that is wicked just like with Jim Jones his followers were good he was not.
and the very fact that you are holding to a divine standard of moral excellence is the very proof that you yourself have a ''code of ethics'' that you believe all mankind is accountable for living up to so the question is what is your excuse for not subscribing ? The very barometer you are using to judge my lack of divine performance proves that you yourself have one and that is what God is going to use to judge you , who has unwittingly backed himself into a corner and is without excuse..In other words , you by your own admission , you claim to know what a ''True Nazerene'' should look like and you know for sure that He does not look like Heartbeat . Therefore , I suggest you start conferring with your Nazerene and asking Him to help you live the life you claim to know how others should be living ...ooooooo hypocrite !
If this is the case, then what happened to the Nazarene was only a hanging ... similar to what is happening here to the Witnesses ... and not a crucifiction.
After all, no divine being or even a semi-devine being can be "put to death" because immortality ... the absolute inability to die ... belongs to the essence of a divine being.
What's more, all divine beings, including the Nazarene, have the power to do miracles or the power to violate laws of nature. If the separation of the spirit and flesh ... that is, death .... happens to a divine being and if all the divine being has to do is a miracle to re-unite his spirit and flesh, then clearly his "death" was a trick because the "decresed" knew he could come back, at any time, by violating natural law.
So, since the Nazarene, being wholly or partly divine, wasn't "put to death," he, like the Witnesses in this forum, was only hung.
Dominicanheartbeat and Solomon-there is nothing Christian about your insults and slanderous tongue lashing against honorable people who live quiet and peaceful lives. Other then their door-to-door preaching, they keep to themselves and are basically low key. You never hardlly ever see the Watch Tower organization intentionally doing any type of PR promotions to favor their cause like most other religious groups. And if it were at all true, the JW rather get more negative press then positive, due to their unothodox religious practices, so don't come here to spread unsubtantiated rumors, when in fact it is totally the opposite. Keep your statements as close to fact as possible, and try to keep your HATE inside, don't slash out at inoffensive people, just because both of you have some personal issues against them.
What do you call the ressurection ? Death could not contain your Nazerene for he destroyed the power of death when HE ROSE FROM IT . sAY HI TO uNCLE RAUL FOR ME....
You have a bad reputation that is your own doing and undoing.The public and many Watchtower fraud victims know JW as wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:16)
Its intresting that the Jws , ALONG WITH THIER WATCH TOWER PROPAGANDA and kool aid recipes carry virtually the same bible as True BELIEVERS.... and yet they choose to make slight convienient alterations such as '' In the beginning the word was a god '' instead of the word was God '' and became flesh .. However , they still rely upon the watchtower philosophys and deceptions that they have fallen victim to instead of the inspired word of God to support thier faith in who knows what ...Paul wrote in Galatians .'' I f any man or even an angel preaches a differerent gospel than the one we have preached , let him be cursed (anathama) meaning condemned to the lowest hell.I suppose Paul was guilty of hate crimes also G.?
Nevertheless, Solomon I can only tell you one thing, some paradoxes are unexpected but perfectly logical and may appear to be falsidical at first, but are seemingly valid, demonstrations of what can be, but is not necesarily an absurd contradiction.
Belial, the Nazerene was both human and divine by His own choosing and when He allowed His humanity to be tortured and killed for mans sake it was only His Humanity that was killed , not His divinity . That Divinity would rise again to new life in a glorified eternal body that would never see death..The one who authored life willingly chose to humble Himself , take on human flesh and subject Himself to every temptation and trial that His creation did so that He could empathize with us and take away our excuses .If God was small enough to understand He would not be big enough to worship nor do I try to understand things to great for my pea brain intelllect..
You obviously dont read either my friend , and please know that I participate on this forum for enjoyment and intellectual stimulation , not to hurt or disrespect anybody so forgive me if I have,but Remember ! You opened the bidding by calling myself and Belial '' assholes '' being the fine Christian that you are.
Hey, maybe I am wrong ? Afterall . why would you take my or anybodys word for anything when it comes to the eternal state of your soul ? Read the word of God for yourself and then line it up against what the Wolves are teaching and ask God to give you discernment if you are so sure that they are building a watchtower for Christ...The bible does say '' That the things of the Spirit are foolishness to those that are perishing'' so where do you stand G ? The word is enough to prove itself and that is why we have 4 different accounts of the life of one person who bore witness to these things .. Hell, you couldnt get 4 different consistent accounts of your last Pres.
And if there is anybody GUILTY of preaching a different gospel it is YOU dominicanheartbeat. Jesus Christ preached the spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.(Gal 5:22-23) Exactly what you LACK and have not done from the time you opened your mouth, since YOUR very first post. But that is OK you can do and say what ever you want, you will be saved by "GRACE."
I just don't see how being nasty, makes you automatically a self-righteous person. What is the benefit of being RUDE as your comments so negatively show.
I never called myself a "fine Christian that you are." I only and simply sympathize with people who whether right or wrong are trying to do good but people like you attempt to discredit the things that they do and instead of trying to help them see the light, become bullies and with your hate just want to CRUSH them. You dominicanheartbeat are a BULLY. Jesus Christ preached forgiveness, fairness and justice. None of those things have been demonstrated in any of your posts. That is why regardless of whether or not you make valid statements, it just holds no weight.
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."
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Acts 5:38,39 is a bit self-serving, for, the passage argues, if certain works come to nought, then these works are of men. But if these works can't be overtnrown, they are of God.
Hasn't the world come to nought? Isn't the world the work of men? If so, then who or what is this "creator" of the world whose work has come to nought? Either the world has not come to nought or the world is not a work of God.
Please pick.
Needgreat, the basic presupposition of Acts 5:38:39 is that the works of men always come to nought. Does this presupposition describe your own life experiences?
There is hope for you still my friend lol.... Jesus ''the Nazerene '' died for your sins also because He loves you and wants to spend eternity with you..'' While we were dead in our tresspasses and sins Christ died for us''. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and God hath raised Him from the dead , you will be saved ''. But remember that faith is a verb . The saving faith we talk about is not an intellectual ascent to the mere facts. This faith involves a transaction (or a work if you will) that must be acted upon to demonstrate its validity.. The word believe or to trust in this context , means to totally hand over the reigns and the rights to yourself to the Lordship of Christ and make yourself subject to His will and glory and not your own. Just like heat is the natural '' work'' or bi-product of the sun , so is a change of heart , attitude and lifestyle a bi-product of faith which will be evident in the things you say you believe.
It seems to me that you have a hard time swallowing 'the grace of God'' and are even resentful and jealous of my liberty ...Afterall, if salvation is by grace through faith alone, then that means Guillemore is not such a great guy afterall ..All of those potholes you have been filling in Charamicos along with all of those old ladies you help across the street have availed your ego nothing with the exception of an injection of botox and pride that you are using to enhance your resume of good deeds that you are preparing to sell the Almighty at the judgement seat when you try to convince Him why He should let you through the pearly gates on that day..
God writes through Isaiah writes that '' All of our righteousness is as filthy rags ''The Hebrew translation literally means shit stained garments and used menstrual clothes. Check it out if you dont believe me ..Paul wrote'' There is none righteous , for ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short of the glory of God ''..
The point is this ..Paul wrote'' any man who wishes to be justified by the law is a debtor to keep the whole law ''. James wrote that '' He who offends in one point of the law is guilty of the whole law ''
If good works (or keeping the law ) can save a man, then what is Gods standard and just how many good works does a man have to do to earn his way into heaven ? The answer is found in Jesus Christ , who not only died for us , but lived the perfect life for us that we are unable to live , therefore fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law in His life and nailing the penalty of it to His cross in His death , so that we by faith , can have His perfect righteousness acredited to our account on the basis of what He did just by believing and asking. ''Whoevercalls on the name of the Lord will be saved ''. The bottom line is that Gods standard is perfection G. If you wish to get to heaven by your good works in the hopes that your own goodness can save you , then you
then you have to live the same sinless and perfect life that Jesus lived .. Can you do that ? Neither can I...That is why salvation is by grace through faith ..Jesus said'' if you even look at a women to lust after her in your heart you are guilty of adultery and if you hate your brother without a cause are guilty of murder...What He is saying is that sin is an attitude and fallen condition of our hearts , that is made evident in our actions .. Stealing a horse does not make a man a horse thief , it only proves that he is ... Paul himself thought he was the exception until he came to the part of the law that said ''thou shalt not covet ''....
I once was lost but now Im found ,was blind but now I see...''
Nobody stumbled over the concept of Gods grace more than the ones that it was initially intended for . The Jews ! Gods chosen seed..However , Paul wrote that salvation by grace came to the Gentiles first to provoke the Jews (who thought they were such good law keepers ) to jealousy ..
The problem people like Guillemore have with Gods grace is that it brings God up and brings man down .. At the very heart and purpose of Grace is not only Gods goodness, mercy and lovingkindness , but the extinction of any boasting a man thinks he has in his own gooodness .. It is a pride killer .. A man will not 'be saved until or unless he realizes his need to be saved and even this is a gift of God as the scripture says that '' Satan the god of this world has blinded the eyes of men that they might not come to theknowledge of the truth ''...
That is why true Christianity is said to be relationship , not religion. The word religion in latin is translated ''re lin geary'' which means to re-link '' .. Ever since the fall of man , man has been trying to re-link himself to God through and by his good religious works and rituals while being plagued with the guilt and burden of wondering if it will ever be enough . We live in a performance based society and have been programmed since our youths that '' good behaviour earns good rewards'' so its no surprise that when the King of The Universe offers us the free gift of eternal life just by believing and asking that we stumble over this and scratch our heads as we ask ''whats the catch''.
Yes , Jesus died to destroy the power of sin and death and to destroy the works of the devil and to set you and I free from the curse of the law that had sentenced us all to death , but the primary purpose of the cross was to restore and secure Gods children to an eternal relationhip and inheritance that He desires for us to share with Him as our loving heavenly Father ... As one author wrote'' If we look at the cross as a''get out of hell free card than we rob it of its power '' The cross and work of Christ on Calvary was primarily intended to restore what Adam lost in Eden , and that was the fellowship and love relationship that God once had with mankind before the fall ..
''Today is the day of salvation '' it is written .. Will you humble yourself and recieve His offer of life and pardon and enter into an eternal love relationship with your Heavenly Father who created your soul , or will you reject His offer and spend an
eternity seperated from His love and presence in a place that was created for the devil and his angels by a choice of your own free will .? Know this ! Many that plan on seeking God at midnight die at 10.30 ...and then you will not be able to say to Him that you never heard the truth that sets man free.
A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?
Eccl. 10:13,14
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PS-You were very efficient in the use of your biblical quotes, but lacked effectiiveness. Best Regards, it was fun while it lasted. Good bye over and out.................................
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Surely, in our age, you lend no credence to the gibberish of Zionist cave men when there is before us today a magnificent text?
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I believe in good works for the sake of good works even in the absence of a big juicy bribe such as eternal life in paradise.
If I get eternal life in paradise, then great.
But if I don't get it, well ... that's the way the cookie crumbles.
I'll do eternal life or time elsewhere.
As for this righteousness which you throw in my face, there is none righteous, including you. No, not one.
on the contrary , the grace of God does not excuse , but rather calls the true believer out and challenges him to a higher standard of moral living because he has been enlightened.. And now, because he is under the safety net of grace , he has no excuse for not trying to live the best life he possibly can because when he does fail , he has the net to catch him.
. Sadly, the modern day Christian uses and abuses the grace of God like they do thier daddys visa with an unlimited credit line . Like the Corinthians that Paul rebuked ,they live however they choose and say ''hey ,dont judge me brother because Im under grace ''. These are the ones we need to question if wether or not they actually have tasted the goodness of God '' Holiness should be a believers response to the grace of God..
If heaven and hell are not real then everything and anything we do on this earth has no value whatsoever and we should live and do whatever we please .. Even the Apostle Paul wrote '' If our hope is in this life only and Christ has not ressurected , then we are still dead in our sins and to be pitied more then any ..Lets eat and drink for tommorrow we die.''
If heaven and hell are not real and when we die we die , then I would be a fool to not be spending every last breath I have on the shore lines of Sosua with a different chica under my arm and in my bed every night because in the end there is no one to answer to..
You are a greater waffler than Mr. Clinton lol..and I believe that if everyone re-read your posts they would see NOT ONLY THE FANGS , BUT the waffle house thats being built next to the watchtower AS WELL...
Please point out my ''hate crimes '' to me so that I may repent , but first read second Peter and his love letter to the false prophets before you come back to me with your unfounded facts...
Paul wrote '' that he himself was the chief of sinners ''..This guy used to torture and persecute the early church before his conversion .. I too admit that I am an unrighteous , filthy sinner who cannot save himself no matter how many good things I do , because if Gods standard is perfection , then my thought life alone sentences me to death and there is no hope ... Take hold of the lift persever of grace while its being offered to you my friend .. Grace is not cheap Belial ! It costs us nothing but it cost Almighty God everything when He sent His son to be the substitute and pay the penalty for our sins.
Belial , you are more intelligent then the average bear on this forum , but dont let your genious coupled with your pride keep you from the simplicity of a child like faith that one needs to see the Kingdom of GOD..
Please take off your sheep skin . As they say '' the devil known is better than the devil unknown '' and atleast Belial is honest and upfront about his doubts where as you ,like your wolf cub Guillemore are decievers in the first degree WHO TWIST AND PERVERT THE HOLY SCRIPTURES TO YOUR OWN LIKINGS ....'The Lord has said '' My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge'' so I SUGGEST YOU GET BACK TO YOU RAIN DANCING WITH THE MOONIES lest the spaceship thats landing this evening takeoff without you !
Its intresting that the the ''back slidden '' preacher Solomon who wrote Ecclisiastics ended that same letter by saying '' Now let us hear the conclusion of the matter ! Fear God and obey His commands for this is the whole duty of man '' . Earlier he would write in the same book ,'' Enjoy the days of your youth ,but remember that you will one day stand before God and give an account to Him of all the things you have done ''
If the preacher really believed and was implying that there is no afterlife then he would not have written those words now would he ? ( unless the wisest man that ever lived was crazy as well )..
The subject here is your misbehavior and the unjust treatment of others. You can quote all the bible texts you want, until you turn blue in the face, it will hold no validity if it comes from you. Just accept what you have done since post #1. And stop hiding behind the bible to justify the judgement you have made against others. That is not your position and not your calling on planet earth. Leave that for God on judgement day, let him and only him decide. It will definitely not be YOU
But forget about what I believe, that is beside the point. The issue here is for you to STOP critizing the positive works of the JW.
Jesus said'' you can do nothing against the truth , only for it '' ..I will not only shake the dust of my feet , but I will scrape the wolf poop off as well ....
If I return to Sosua this spring I would like to buy you and Slick Willy a round of purple Kool aid and two fat secretaries to put under your desks for a lonely night .
Has Mr. Sharpton read Peters second epistle yet ? I thought not lol...because then you will be able to judge and accuse Gods chosen Apostles of being hate mongers and spiritual bullies who try to trample on the well intended and there good deeds made out of sand castles..
My friend , your problem is not with me but the infallible word of God.I may be guilty of a droll sense of humor but I still challenge and beg you to show me where I am guilty of '' hate crimes in the first '' ? It seems that you are the one judging me you hypocrite ! I have spoken only what the word of God has said and not of myself .There is nothing positive about a cult that is leading people to hell with its propaganda as they dig people out from under the rubble and sooth their wounds with deception.
It would be better for these Haitians to die not knowing the truth then to have survived and lived believing that the watch tower is the reason for every breath they take with still no hope beyond the grave !
What good is any faith if it does not offer one hope beyond this life ? Please tell me what these anti-christs have done for the souls that are lost and perishing if you believe the scriptures as you claim ? In the same way , what good does it do me if I meet someones physical need for a few hours by giving them that hot plate of food but neglect to give them the spiritual food (the bread of life ) that is nessecary for the survival of thier soul for eternity .. Jesus Himself said, '' he who eats this bread will hunger again , but he who eats the bread that i give him will never hunger again.
Remember Judas ? Nobody in that inner circle suspected Judas of being the one when Jesus told them at the table that '' one of you will betray me''. Judas was the treasurer and if you read, you will read the account where the women broke a very expensive alabaster jar and annointed the feet of Jesus with the perfume and Judas complained in anger saying '' that perfume could have been sold and given to the poor '' , but the word then says ,'' Judas said this not because he cared about the poor ,but his own pockets ''..
If you don't think that this world is coming to an end, then you need to take a step back and look around, things can't go on much longer the way they are headed.
Also, didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."
I personally know many JWS AND the fact is that they are living just as immorally as the rest of the world while thier self appointed elders assert thier self inflicted doctrines and mind control over thier prey .Even though the Jws carry a bible with thier watchtower propaganda , the majority of them have never opened it while preferring the wisdom of the watch tower over the truth of scripture , but even then they cannot give a basis for what they believe ,yet alone provide one with any source of hope beyond this life ..
" A group of Witness Dominican doctors and medical personnel began to arrive in less than 24 hours after the quake. Among this group of 19 were an orthopedic surgeon, a general surgeon and other medical disciplines. They courageously worked long 15 – 20 hour days under primitive conditions for a week, until relieved by a medical team from France and Europe under the direction of the charity organization Aide Afrique, an organization of witnesses who volunteer and donate to provide humanitarian Aid thru-out Africa. These groups, including the group Aide Afrique brought with them two surgeons, a trauma paramedic, twelve nurses, a mid-wife and many other medical professionals as well as 5,000 pounds of medicine and equipment including a mobile surgical suite, enabling them to begin assisting critically injured victims immediately and over 55 emergency surgeries were performed on site."
Teams of witnesses from France, Germany, Switzerland, United States, Guadalupe and elsewhere cared for hundreds of patients, witness and non-witness alike. No one was turned away. This assistance proved invaluable, since several hospitals in Haiti were destroyed by the quake and the remaining area hospitals were overwhelmed."
We should pose the question as rather why are you making the JW look as not noble and undignified?
WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR ULTERIOR MOTIVE ?
Where's the love in all the hateful posts? It appears that these angry responses are evidence of what's in their hearts. Jesus also said in his sermon on the mount at , -- "“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men]." Since Jesus himself foretold this, should it not surprise us that people uncomfortable in their own circumstances would come out to bash, belitte and falsely accuse his true followers today? Satan, as the god of this current system of things according to 2 Cor 4:3, wants nothing more than to keep as many as possible from learning about or serving the true GOD.
Its love, not hate that will distinguish Gods true followers.
I challenge you men again ( if you are indeed men enough to handle the truth ) to read Peters second epistle and see what the man who knew THE LOVE and grace of God perhaps more than anyone had to say about your good deed doers that bring the multitudes to hell with them , and then come back to me after you have done your research . Peter , myself nor The Lord have any tolerance for those whose great deeds are sending people to hell in a fallen tower. And yes, like Peter and The Lord, I too am very angry and even full of rage against those that practice such .
Its sad that you dont even have enough fuel left in your own tank of dead heresy to stay in this race and now your seeking to be ressurected and validated by another ''angel of light '' that is running on your fumes ...
Doesnt matter my friend . When all is said and done I will still love you anyway !
This is your opportunity to shine.
But again remember one thing, take your focus away from me, I am not the issue here. We are talking about you and your conduct. And since we do not know you, we can only use, not what you say, but how you have expressed yourself, use it as a measuring tool to determine how meager is your Christian love. You can say what ever you want, it just holds no ground, Strictly on the basis of your behavior, your past performance is a good indicator of future results.
''I marvel that you are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel which is not another, but there are some that trouble you and pervert the gospel of Christ .
But, though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you , let him be accursed . As we have said before, so I say now again, if any man preach to you any other gospel than you have received , let him be accursed '' GALATIANS 1-1-9..
The topic and the issue is not the behavior of heartbeat , but the ''good deeds ''of the kool aid makers. What you people are saying is that as long as these people are doing good deeds to meet immediate and physical problems in the world as an outlet to push thier kool aid recipe, it does not matter how spiritually destructive it is ,even if its ''another gospel ''that may send someone to hell . I suppose you would all applaude Castro and Hitler if they showed up with shovels as well ?
Does not the message of the watch tower fall under the catergory of ''another gospel'' ? According to Paul ( who certainly must have been an intolerant hatemonger to have penned such mean words) thought so ..
Afterall , according to JWS, Jesus is really Michael the Archangel , and only 144,000 Jws will ever be selected to get a gardeners position when Eden is restored ,so they had better stay away from the train of grace and make sure as many others as possible dont get on either as they continue to work anyway for a one in 10 billion chance to cash in one of those golden tickets at wonkas watch tower reunion in the sky...
The authors did a great job of covering the subject at hand.
It's encouraging to see the positive, self-sacrificing work that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing,
and I'm sure that the people of Haiti appreciate it very much, even if some others do not.
Even more importantly, I'm sure their God, Jehovah, sees and appreciates it.
I give Jehovah's Witnesses and DominicanToday both a thumbs-up.
Are you vomiting on the altar again as you choke on the truth of scripture as it so accurately describes the cult you are worshipping and supporting as they they drag you and multitudes of others into the pit with them ..
Surely , just like the Apostle Paul ,I know nothing about the bible, and yet , unlike your kool aid brewers , everything I have said is not words, ideas or theories of my own making, but only direct quotes from the word of God itself . The Holy Spirit was the one who wrote through Paul '' that these people who preach a different gospel be accursed . ( the word accursed in the Greek translation literally means anathama , or condemned to the lowest hell). But oh, Im sorry that you have no response to the hateful words of Paul and the Holy Spirit who certainly could care less what false gospel these heretics are preaching and selling as long as they are digging people out of the rubble in front of a camera. Aknadinajab will be there shortly with his shovel.
As with all that the JWS do, is not the motive of these preachers of ''a different gospel '' and the good deeds they are flaunting in front of the cameras nothing but a golden opportunity to find another in road to try and convert and brain wash more followers by promoting an unbiblical man made fairy tale doctrine of the watchtower ? David wrote in the psalms that God has magnified His word above His name and Peter wrote that no scripture is of private interpretation,and yet these people have made a pretzel of it.
If your 7 year old child was trapped inside of a burning building and there was only one person who could actually get in and rescue your child , knowing that as this person was carrying your child out to safety , he was whispering in your childs ear that mommy and daddy do not love you any more and thats why I came to save you from burning because they dont care about you . Imagine that during this crisis the child actually believes the subtle lie of the well intended wolf and is brainwashed for life .. Would you still want this person rescuing your kid ? Now I ask you how do you think God feels when they are doing it to His Kids ?, because that is exactly what the JWS are doing when they preach thier man made gospel of the watch tower that Paul said perverts the true gospel and pulls people away from the grace of God to which thier called as they seek to strip the diety of Christ.
I love you anyway and I will be praying that God will heal you of your '' spiritual blindness that has been inflicted upon you by Satan ,the god of this age '' and that you might come to the knowledge of the truth . God loves you and by believing on His Son that died for you and rose fron the dead , you can be saved by His marvellous grace and live eternally . Or , you can continue to try and earn your salvation by doing more good deeds then the next guy, but remeber , that Gods standard is perfection which means in order to be justified by the law ( your good works ) you will have to live the same life that Jesus did which is a perfect one .That means even one dirty thought and your disqualified .. I dont know about you but its much easier for me to have His pefect life and righteousness credited to my account by faith and recieving His pardon then trying to be perfect . Jesus lived the life you could not live to be the perfect sacrifice for your sins by His death..
1)1914 Jesus *invisible* return
2) only 144,000 go to heaven
3) two classes of saved Christians
4) *whole* blood and autologous transfusions a sin,but okay to use fractions donated by Red Cross blood donors
5) genocide of 6 billion plus men women children at Watchtower Armageddon
etc....
You have been pinned to the mat since round one and your still trying to find a corner in a round room to hide in . Please tell me what you think of Paul and Peters statements inspired by the Holy Spirit ? You cant can you , because it is really no different than what I am saying .. Tell me G, was Paul an angry hatemonger as well ? How about Peter ?
There is no room for heresy and those that pervert the gospel of Jesus in Gods living room .
Maybe I should of stated from the beginning that even though I do hate the doctrine of the Jehovas Witnesses and am viciously attacking it , I do not hate the individual JW per say nor am I attacking them personally .Like Jesus, we are to hate the sin but love the sinner as even Jesus called Judas '' friend'' right before he was betrayed by him. I have known and have even been friends with some JWS in the past and my attack is not on them as people , only thier beliefs that are dragging them and others to hell with it ..
So by this Paul meant '' speaking the truth in love '' , and since I did not clarify my position from the start , I once again ask forgiveness if I have in anyway misrepresented my Lord or have wrongfully hurt anyone contributing on this topic at anytime during my attacks on these Satanic watchtower doctrines..
Guillemore, Im sorry that you seem unable to extend the same grace and forgiveness to me that God has extended to you and I AS WITH THE FIRST TIME I ASKED YOU for a pardon, but facts are facts .. Trutoday has a much better handle on the active ingredients in the Kool Aid mix than I do and what he shares are documented facts.
Furthermore Guillemore, I find it intresting that for as many times as you have written me and my posts off as invalid hot air not worthy of a challenge or discussion , you still keep getting back in the ring after swearing to go into retirement ? Its no wonder that you are so confused spiritually .Those who stand for nothing fall for anything..
This maybe one of the longest posts in D.TS history . Felizedate, but its starting to take just as much time to get to the end of the last post as it is to write the next 3 , and that is not good for a poor boy like me who only gets an hour of free internet per day in a public library lol.
I repeat ''I do not hate nor am I attacking personally those who claim to be Jehovas Witnesses and follow thier man made doctrine , but I do hate the doctrine that they sell and I am attacking it in anger ''
Guillemore, I admit to being guilty of sarcasm and even not speaking ln love during our sparring match. Even if a person is dead right , if what they are doing is done in the wrong spirit , then its dead wrong in the end .Too often I am more intrested in giving my ego a shot of botox rather than giving God more glory . In case you have not noticed, I am still a wretched sinful man in need of his wonderful grace. Thank God for the cross of Jesus Christ it is done!
Please tell me if you can , what the watchtower has to say against Pauls words that condemn false gospels , and since you cant , that only proves that you do agree with the watchtower heresies and admit that you believe the bible is not 100% true. Bill HAS DRANK MORE KOOL AID THAN Guillemore and has not only not read all the posts , but niether the bible or the watchtower .''Get behind me Satan ''
And I wonder why the very few that do manage to escape before the pins sink too deep into thier brains actually left in the first place ? Is it because they saw the marvellous love and grace of Jesus Christ ( who is really thier archangel michael ) crafting one of those coveted seats in the garden ? The truly sad but funny thing here is that I have given you countless Biblical references to support my gospel and though you all claim to be schooled in JW DOCTRINE while swearing on your grandmas grave that the watchtower is not anti-Christ , not one of you has dared to try and support or document your beliefs for the so called opposing committees review that is able to support its doctrine and gospel . Yes, its us ignorant ones that have no knowledge of Jw heresy that are quoting and documenting the lies that its own followers are not able to prove or support let alone try and defend..And why ? Because '' you can do nothing against the truth ''.
I am not here to win a battle, only to help clarify the different points that you labeled as "anti-Christ." I am not a JW and hardly do I consider myself well versed in their teachings, but have studied sufficiently enough and spoken to them at lengths and though I do not agree with them entirely, it does not stop me from recognizing that overall they hold on to and have sound, fundamental Christian principles. D-I know it is hard, but control yourself. I vehemently refuse to get into a shouting match with YOU while we discuss the bible. I will not lower myself to that level, if you make false accusations. It is disrespectful and a Sacrilege to God and the Holy Bible
Ephesians 4:31-32 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Timothy 2:24-And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
And if you say that you really have the truth behind you, why do you insist on fighting? I JUST DON'T GET IT. Why do you get so rouse up in your writings? Why do you want to pick a fight?
The bible keeps telling you there is no need for that. But you apparently love that MUD slinging, RIGHT?
TRANQUILA BOBBY, TRANQUILA.........
D-It is the meek who will Inherit The Earth, not those with or who have anger and rage pent-up inside.
That is why you should not fret, become angry, or be envious of the of those you call and label as the "anti-Christ," "heretics," "Satanic cult," "kool aide drinkers," and "apostates," if or when they prosper. You used 5 negative adjective and descriptive nouns in your JW name calling.
IT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD AS THE DEFENDER OF TRUTH and just simply substracts, takes away from your credibility.
D-I know that deep down you just want "Armageddon" to befall on the JW and the Watchtower. But D, I think you are defeating the purpose, don't you think?
You are so right brother . I repent and pour ashes on my head . You win my friend ,You win ! I am a hateful, resentful angry apostate with no friends nor love nor knowledge of anything I speak . Again , for the third time I ask you for your forgiveness if I have offended you and if I have misrepresented my Lord in anyway... But even this most crucial fundamental doctrine of the faith seems to be out of your reach and understanding as its obvious you are unwilling to extend me the olive branch .. Jesus said ''if you do not forgive your brothers trespasses , niether will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses'' .. He also said'' if your brother sins against you , you shall forgive him 70 x 7 times''. You said that you would love me Guillemore , but if you have refused to forgive me after 3 requests , You are really hating me .are you not ?
If you have read all of my last posts , you and those who have been attacking me, judging me and accusing me of hate crimes will see that I have not only humbled myself and admitted and confessed my sins where I have sinned and said things in the wrong spirit , but have also asked forgiveness . If you are unable to do this, then you need to question if you subscribe to any branch of ''Christianity , be it true or false !
Finally, Peter and Paul did not use terms like ''Kool aid'' drinkers maybe because the recipe did not exist yet , but heretic , apostate and children of wrath they did when reffereing to those false prophets .. Why have you yet to answer or protest against these Apostles for using those terms while accusing them of having pent up anger and rage as they take out thier frustrations on the misinformed ? Hypocrite ! Is your greatest fear the fear of the truth ?
DRheartbeat...you obviously have knowledge of the Bible...kudos. You also have the gift to twist the verses around to use them in your own twisted situations to prove your twisted points!
Bottom line is...If it were YOU laying under a pile of debris, reaching out for someone to help you...and an "angel of light" approaches with his hand held out, what would you do? Im sure you will take the help. Or will you say, "stop, are you a Jehovah's Witness, because if you are, I dont want your help!" You are a human being just like all of them. They just choose to live there life as Christian like as possible and wish to share there beleifs with others. You apparently have a "personal" issue with the JWs it seems. Just out of curiosity, what religion are you? Dont forget, we all live in glass houses. I dare you to throw the first st
second Jesus said "“A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me [which they certainly did], they will persecute you also." hmmm.
and just bc Jws are getting press attention now, does not mean they have never helped out in the past. you just didnt take the time to care to know.
second Jesus said "“A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me [which they certainly did], they will persecute you also." hmmm.
and just bc Jws are getting press attention now, does not mean they have never helped out in the past. you just didnt take the time to care to know.
ONEANDOTHER ,that is my point ..Even though the JWS have a bible that is 99.9% the same as a born again believer who is saved by grace , they still choose to live by the man made , man inspired heresys and words of the watch tower instead of the inspired word of God and the one and only true gospel . HMM ! As I said 3 times already . Not only cant the JWS and thier gospel of good deeds give any one hope or assurance beyond this world , but niether can they give any evidence that proves, supports or defends what they claim to be truth as even they themselves are not sure what they have been programmed to believe , but yet they attack us that can give a solid defense along with evidence of what we teach , preach and believe . ''Unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God''
''If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead you will be saved ''
but not only do I have to disagree with you , but you are also about 150 posts too late to join this dance that is coming to an end . May I lovingly suggest that before you add more confusion to the pot mixed with your good intentions that you first not only read each and every preceeding post so you know whats going on , but more importantly that you read the complete word of God for yourself before spouting off incorrect doctrines that your self anointed book pastors are poisoning thier sheep with on Sunday mornings . I encourage you to first read the 4 complete gospels followed by Romans and Galatians so that you can then correctly put into context what James was saying when he wrote those words .
The Psalms say ''Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints ''
Its very clear that you have already had enough Kool aid little wolf cub , but when the mix wears off and the space ship lands , you can first try and give me an answer to the same question that I have been asking your colleagues that they like yourself are not able to answer , but first go back and read all of the preceeding posts as well as the word of God so that you might have atleast a half a clue what you are talking about and you will discover that I have already answered that question on more than one occasion . Let me advise you oh ignorant ''angel of light'' that it is better to keep your mouth shut and let one assume you are a fool than to open it and dispell all doubt . Let the rubble fall on me and let me choke on the dust as I have made my peace with God . Have you ?
Are you really the true Christian that you say you are? Or is it that you just like a good fight? Which is it? Are you attempting to preach the gospel, because if that is your intent, believe me you are doing a disservice.
YOU HAVE SHOWN LITTLE TO NO CHRISTIAN SPIRIT. I ask who really is the "ignorant ''angel of light'' here? Let the "spirit" work in and for you, because you need to learn self-control. Just follow Rom 12:18-19 "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay" says the Lord. And maybe consider a few sessions in anger management as well
Guillemore has paid his bodyguard dulcine to try and protect him from ''the big school yard bully'' who keeps taking his thermos of Kool aid away with his empanada when the lunch bell rings..
Guillemore, have you found enough love in your heart to forgive me yet my friend ? Have you forgiven Paul and Peter the Apostles for using the terms heretic and apostate when refering to your preachers of the false gospel ? You claim to know how to exemplify true Christian spirit but have no ability how to apply it and you are accusing and judging me of not doing the same? HYPOCRITE . I SUGGEST YOU FIND A MORE INTELLIGENT RUNNING MATE then dulcine to help you keep the wolf pack mushing up the hill ..
I am a christian who loves to fight the good fight ( read Timothy). Please sit down with your new disciple and re-read the posts and the word of God and just answer my questions instead of running from them jajajaja .
Is the situation that desperate that dulcine is the best you can come up with to try and help you throw one more left hook at me in your loving Christian spirit ? Maybe you should add your loving sarcastic remarks such as ''bobby joe and asshole'' to give further credibility to your fine Christian ethics that you are demonstrating to the D.T world . Afterall , Jesus used those terms also , did He not ?
I gave you too much credit friend .You should stick to writing nostalgic articles on the history of Sosua , because atleast they are true and you know what you are talking about . Now, I ask you for the 5th time if you will forgive me ? Or did the guy who wrote the original watchtower magazine in some New York deli back in the 60's forbid that ?
HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY, LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE MISERABLE.
Nevertheles, D- I have stated once before, that when you refrain from using negative adjectives, spitting venomous words and speaking with a fork tongue then and only then will I be able to begin to engage in a civil discussion. Otherwise we will be both spinning our wheels going nowhere fast. I have already spent too much time attempting to calm you down, but it has been to no avail. You are the perfect example of what is the use.
You have made demeaning and offensive remarks, with continuous name calling personally DIRECTED to every poster who does not agree with you. That is plain WRONG and you keep doing it over and over again in spite of your awareness that it is improper to so. My advise D-If you do not agree, attack the idea and not the person. ESTAMOS !!
Finally, stop your personal vendetta against the JW that is not your role on planet earth. "Vengeance is mind says the lord."
I'm not a JW but I have had the priviledge of working with many of them. Most are wonderful people who mind their own business and are focused on what they do. They don't gossip, they don't steal and they donate their free time to do what they feel is a good deed. Something that Jesus Christ ordered US ALL to be doing but only they take it to heart. Maybe you're just jealous... First of all, use your common sense and think of this: if there are currently over 7 million JWs in the whole world and only 144K are expected to go to heaven, don't you think that it would be safe to conclude that the rest of them are striving for something else, rather than living in heaven??? Why don't you actually TALK to one of them before you jump to conclusions?
I'm not a JW but I have had the priviledge of working with many of them. Most are wonderful people who mind their own business and are focused on what they do. They don't gossip, they don't steal and they donate their free time to do what they feel is a good deed. Something that Jesus Christ ordered US ALL to be doing but only they take it to heart. Maybe you're just jealous... First of all, use your common sense and think of this: if there are currently over 7 million JWs in the whole world and only 144K are expected to go to heaven, don't you think that it would be safe to conclude that the rest of them are striving for something else, rather than living in heaven??? Why don't you actually TALK to one of them before you jump to conclusions?
Im sorry dulci come lately, but like Guillemore, you dont have a leg to stand on or a fact to support your paper watchtower and remarks that will one day burn to the ground with your ignorance that your pediatrician gave you along with your all day sucker when you left his office 2 days ago. Please put your training wheels back on Junior and then come back to me after you have spent a year or two in the scriptures instead of spending every waking moment watching Beavis and Butthead repeats so you can at the very least recommend a good Cardiologist to me. JaJA.
Like 90 % of the people on this thread who have not takin the time to read all of my previous posts before spouting off thier wisdom , I suggest you first do so coupled with the word of God ( not the watch tower) before you throw your accusations at me and you will see that I have said that I am not attacking the JWS but ONLY THE FALSE DOCTRINE THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL !
I also said that I regurarly sit on the bench with these people on Saturday mornings when they do thier visitations and on many occasions have invited them into my apartment for a GLASS OF kool AID ( I mean a Pepsi ) . I have had friends and co- workers that were JWS and have read thier material and questioned them on every point on many occasions and I know what they believe . I also know that just like with True ChristianS , there are just as many of these people sleeping with thier neighbors wives and CHEATING ON THIER TAX RETURNS so stop trying to put paper WINGS and halos on these people.
''Go from the presence of a foolish man when you dont percieve in him the lips of knowledge ''. Prov.14-7
I believe I will heed the advice of Solomon lol.
''For God so loved the world that He sent His only begoten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life . For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved ''.'' He who believes in Him is not condemned but he who does not believe is condemned already because he believed not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.''
John 3-16-19.
''For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved ' 'Rom.10-13.
''Therefore it is of faith that it might be of grace ''Rom.4-16
''Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with our Lord Jesus Christ'' Rom5-1
''For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord'' Rom.6-23.
''And if by grace then it is no longer of works ,but if by works then it is no longer by grace ''Rom11-6
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith in Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference, For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus who God sent forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past through the forbearance of God to declare that he may be just and the justifier of him which believe in Jesus ,
Where is boasting then ? It is excluded ! By the law ? of works? Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law '' ROM,3-19-27..
Now to him that works the reward is not reckoned of grace ,but of debt . But to him that works not but believes on Him that justifys the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness'' .
Rom.4,2-6
Very well my friend , as my pathetic past and present is not much prettier to look at than yours, but let me ask you one very important question assuming that you have already read the bible verses that I have posted above ?
What hope does the watch tower organization or the Jehovas witnesses offer you beyond the grave ? What good is the ''good news '' of Jesus Christ if it offers no hope ? Again , please read carefully the above bible verses from my last posts before you answer this !
Perhaps for the record , you would be willing to share with us exactly what it is that the JWS do teach and then document it biblically so that you will see that I am not attacking you or your fellow Jehovas , but rather only the ''unbiblical doctrine it teaches ''. God Bless !
The Lord said it clearly himself "Ye shall know them by their fruits." And you are a perfect example of that, as the kind of fruit a tree can bear by just following those principles. Therefore it is a given, an obvious truth that "a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down..."Mat:7:15-23
What you learned, adopted and practiced from the scriptures is a clear manifestation of the Holy Spirit over you.-AMEN
The confused unforgiving '' asshole'' must have drank too much koolaid with her cadbury eggs at the sunrise service yesterday lol...
When you are able to humble yourself and extend forgiveness Guille Joe , then you can tell me about about that sweet fruit you grow on your branches every spring you hypocrite , but until then , talk is cheap and your claws are getting sharper !
Btw, Guillemore, just as the heathens and agnostics will open thier tear ducts and purses in time of graet tragedy , so will they accept flaws in other people . Jesus said dont love only those that love you , even the publicans do that ''.
Prov. 12:18-There is one whose rash words are like
sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
Prov. 15:4- A soothing tongue is a tree of life, But perversion in it crushes the spirit.
Psalms 57:4-My soul is among lions; I must lie among those who breathe forth fire, Even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows And their tongue a sharp sword.
The Great Commandment as well as the proverbial Golden Rule calls for others the equal manner and RESPECT we want for ourselves.
Guillemore , I am attacking your ignorance , not you , because you keep trying to give a defense for something you have subscribed to but are unable to explain , prove or support . Now please come back with the one who claims to be a JW and answer the questions that you are running from and please put your proverbs in context.
YOU WILL GET MORE WITH HONEY THEN WITH SALT
Refrain from phrases as:
"ignorant jackasses..."
''rash golden proverbial sarcasms"
"heretical ignorance"
"Btw hypocrite"
Well apparently you seem to have a very hard time telling the difference. You are unable to distinguish between what is a personal and direct attack and what is a peaceful debate of an idea, concept or doctrine.
I will immediately stop and not go on any further the moment a discussion turns into verbal aggression, denoted by personal insults, something that I notice has been typically common in your mode of communication since the very begining of your posts. Maybe it was normal for you in your household and possibly for the people who raised you to be demeaning, insulting and disrespectful to others, but it was not the case for me. That is why I can not relate to your unorthodox preaching method, particularly from someone who calls or considers himself a Loving Christian.
However Guillemore , I have at the very least humbled myself and admitted to you where I have failed to demonstrate the Character of Christ during our debate with my well intended sarcasms that were more directed at winning an argument and puffing myself up than building up and I have asked God and yourself for a pardon . Btw, your quote is not biblical . To forgive one another is not only a command that Jesus gave His followers , but it is also a choice of the will, and only God is divine . Are you really his ?
I call you a hypocrite because you accuse me of being a slanderous hatemonger but yet you seem to give no acknowledgement to your own sarcastic remarks or insults towards me e.g ''asshole,bobby joe , she'' , as if that is o.k in Gods eyes . Why ? I have admitted my guilt , are you innocent ? Have you not tried to insult me as well ? Lets be real and honest .
I call you an ignorant heretic because you are trying to relay facts about eternal spiritual issues of life or death that you obviously know little or nothing about but yet you keep trying to tell your audience everything about it which is why I ask you to answer the questions and support your claims that even the Jehovas that participated on this forum cannot do . I have nothing against you personally.
Peter then said '' Lord increase our faith'', but Jesus said , if you have faith as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain go throw yourself in the sea ''. In other words , great faith nor divinity is needed to be able to forgive , but only a willingness , Forgive begins as a choice , not a feeling . However, a true Spirit dwelt believer does need Gods power and not his own to be able to do this .
Maybe if he can meet the challenge of truth and prove me wrong 50% of the time by showing me that My translations ,interpretations and understanding of scripture is apostate(even though the original greek and hebrew manuscripts for each translation are the same ) , he will have an audience with me . Until then , I caution all readers to beware and take notice of what a wolf in sheeps clothing looks like when he comes to your door at 9.00 am on Saturday morning doing his good deeds of visitation in a 3 piece suit stained with kool aid so the watchtower does not expell him for disobedience to the elders.
Just so you know , the verse you quoted from GEN,3-15. '' i WILL put emnity between you and the woman '' , is actually the very first prophecy in the bible fortelling the coming of Jesus Christ the Messiah and Son OF God , who would crush the head of Satan and destroy the work of Satan that began in the garden when he tempted ''the woman'' to sin by His death and Ressurection on the cross. Do the research.
Now answer me this ! If you die in the next five minutes , where are you going ? What is your eternal hope in this life and beyond the grave that you can offer me and everyone else when we pass on from this side of eternity and how many good works must we do if we are to be one of those 144, 000 lucky jackpot winners to get a seat on the next spaceship to the enchanted petting zoo that is coming back in 1975 ?
Who wrote the original watchtower doctrine and who inspired the wriitngs ? Can you prove it biblically ?
Please show me in the bible (any translation) where Jesus and Michael the Archangel are one and the same or just cousins ? the bible says that no scripture is of private interpretation and that all srcripture is inspired by God '' . PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER until you have finished reading all the preceeding posts as well as the complete word of God for yourself without the influence of the watchtower magazine which is written , inspired and dreamed up by men .
Are you embarrased that you are part of a cult that has no biblical grounds to back up its claims ? I am not the only one who has bought these facts to light on this post that you and other '' self righteous arrogant '' poster children cannot support , which is why they run away when the truth hits them between the eyes , ( Just like the Devil ). Please tell me who dreamed up the idea of the watch tower and when it was written along with what authority that its vested with ?
If you serve me or look to me as an example of Godliness , you will surely perish . Jesus is the example and the standard which is why we so desperatly need His grace to save us . Unless you are able to live the perfect life that He did , your false gospel of works avails you nada !
I am questioning myself as to why I am even giving you this much press at this time beings that you obviously did not drink enough Red Bull to stay in the discussion before bailing out for the third time already , but niether have you dared to show yourself man enough to admit your wrongs nor answer my original questions that you are so convieniently running away scared from lol . The truth hurts Guillemore but it will set you free compadre !
At this time I respectfully ask you to please refrain from all lines of questioning and further participation until you can atleast give me the respect of answering all of my previous questions that you clearly seem to be unable to generate answers to . If not ,we really have nothing further to discuss . Please save yourself further embarassment unless or until you can answer the questions .
I am going back to the beach now to enjoy my day off ! Hasta Luego
First of all Jehovah's Witnesses deny they are a cult stating that individuals need guidance from God, but need to do their own thinking.
None JW's and unbias people, un-like you, know and understand the definition and the meaning of what exactly is a cult. For example American religious scholar J. Gordon Melton, Cult deprogrammer John Bowen Brown II and Joel P. Engardio, also reject accusations that the Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.
Secondly, The question as to why I am not a full fledge JW member is my prerogative and none of your business. Who cares whether or not I am a JW, it not important and not your problem. However, I will admit to have closely associated with them, intensely studied their teachings and have nothing but upmost respect for their organization and good things to say about them as individuals.
I need to stop for a second and change my shorts lol. Where do I start ? First of all , you never here a fish peddler on the Sosua shorelines yelling rottin fish do you ? So why would you expect the Devil and his ''angels of light '' to yell cult when thier primary mission is to decieve the lost and keep them from coming to the knowledge of the truth that they might be saved . Of course they dont admit or believe they are a cult because they themselves are decieved . C'mon,Guillemore , you are more intelligent than that .
Secondly, You continue to use my sarcasm which I have already admitted to and apologized for as an excuse for not answering the unanswerable , but also as a self righteous cloak to hide behind your own sarcastic remarks and insults that you obviously feel justified for in the eyes of God and give no account or explanation to either of us for . Are you holier than thou Guillemore ? Does your crap not stink since you left the hood ?
Deceive who and for what purpose? Ashamed of what? What motive would I have to be ashame and to deceive? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????? Que te pasa? Tu ta loca o te hiede el caco? Creo que le está poniendo 5 patas al gato
Now, I am begining to question your mental stability. I did not make any claims to be the child of anyone, it is a given, you and I, Good or bad, we are all the children of the father God Jehovah and not Jesus Christ the son
The relationshiop that I have is personal, it is between me and God. I just don't see where exactly do you fit in, what role do you think you play here? If you are not sure, please stay out
HMMMMM ! Why does anything that is 100 % truth need any adjustments lol ? You have just proven to yourself that the Kingdom Hall is A FRAUD by issuing statements like that . If it needs some adjustments than it is not reliable is it ? Of course the JW doctrine needs adjustment and is totally unreliable because it was written and dreamed up by man . The bible was written by man under the inspiration of the HOLYSPIRIT of God and therefore is 100 % accurate in its predictions and prophecys . Why would any one subscribe to a man made doctrine that needs a tune up every 3000 miles ? Go back to the temptation in the garden . Satan always uses the same tactic by trying to twist the word of God as he DOES with the watch tower in order to decieve his victims .
This is serious business mamabear ! We are talking about peoples eternal destiny here and nothing is more important to God than those that are lost and dying on thier way to hell because they do not know Jesus Christ and have rejected Him and His work on the cross . Therefore , you had better be able to explain and back up your beliefs because your playing with souls and God will hold you accountable if you mislead any of them.
Your are so obsessed with making the JW look bad that you lost the true concept of Christian fellowship and again I repeat, you have placed the letter of the law above the spirit. It just can't be possible that someone with so much ANGER inside as you have repeatedly shown will have the blessing of God, It can not be possible.
Jehovah in the name of his Son Lord Jesus Christ is a God of Love, Peace and Benevolence, not of vengeance. "Christ did not come to destroy the "old" covenant but to fulfill it. It was always about love. All the Law can be summed up in this " to love God with all your heart, all your mind and all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself." Do you know the meaning? If you do, please show me don't tell me.
Follow this teaching DHT and you will feel so much better and have no need to attack the JW like you have done from day one. AMEN
The bible says that ''there is no fellowship between darkness and light '' . The watch tower and the Jws are leading its followers and potential converts into hell while digging them out of the rubble after their Saturday morning visitations .( just like the pharisees).
They offer no hope nor explanation to thier potential victims as to what they believe and why they believe it and provide no biblical basis for thier man made heresies that are poisoning the minds of the simple to where they cant even spell Gods name correctly . Its capital g people ! You are as used car sales people that offer 100,000 mile warrantys on cars that wont make it half the distance . Admit it ! You are all scared to death to research the facts for yourself and discover that ''the god of this age has blinded your minds '' .
This is no smoke and mirror trick ! I am for the record deliberatly trying to ''bate you'' into telling us what you believe and why you believe it as I have done , but you and little Guillemore who is riding your skirt tails cannot do this . I have already asked atleast ten times what you said you would answer , but you came out of hibernation to late to read all of the posts to see that .
Perhaps I have done and am doing more for the island of Hispanola than all of you put together , but I am not going to blow the trumpet like the hipocrites and bring glory to myself like JESUS ACCUSED the pharissess of when they did thier religious deeds to be seen of men .
Guilemore the ignorant still does not see or has not read that it was Paul ( not DHB) that wrote ,'' who ever preaches a different gospel , let him be accursed ''. The Jws false gospel that is built on ''possible salvation'' by of good works is a false gospel much different than what Paul or Jesus preached .
Sorry Mama , but my faith is based on documented historical facts , not merely opinions . People who are lost and seeking truth and salvation need true facts , not opinions . Again , this is why I ask you what is your hope ? Eternity is much longer than time . If you and I were in Haiti together right now and we each saved a person from being crushed , but they still were going to die from the wounds recieved , is not thier eternal destiny the most important thing if they have only hours or days to live ? You and I can share the same shovel for the good of this world but it does nothing for the more important matters of eternity . At that point , we are not going to be working together . I am going to offer that person an eternal assurance backed up in scripture and you will offer them an extended warranty with many possibilities . In love , I suggest you get the facts ,not opinions.
I have alot more love where that came from my friend and its obvious you have the time to feel it . It seems that you actually enjoy the love I give you friend because you just keep coming back for more lol. dONT WORRY G, if you go back into hibernation with mama , some other wanna be jw ring leader will put the gloves on and wake you up again in 3 more weeks so you can come and watch from the sidelines . Get the facts my friend and give me the answers .
''Always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope you have ''
1 Peter 3-15.
What will you say to the potential converts that ask you this question mama ? You are commanded by God in scripture to back up your beliefs and explain your living hope that the jws have given you . Can you not ?
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During the course of this forum, the Jws (including yourself ) have done enough damage themselves to the stained glass image they are trying to sell the world . You dont need my help lol , and anyone who has the guts to take the time and read through all the preceeding posts will see this .( another bate and switch tactic of the enemy I suppose ). Not only have you sarcastically insulted me with your self righteous jw counterparts such as jessie and dipstick , but you have continually judged me and my motives while refusing to extend to me the unconditional love and forgiveness that Christ commands after humbly admitting my own guilt coupled with repeated pleas for your forgiveness . How can one like your self who is so well versed in the ''Spirit of the law '' so unable to demonstrate that loving fruit of the Spirit ? HIPOCRITE . Furthermore . Since Christ is the fulfillment of the law , then you should know that by the works of the law should no flesh be justified .
You know DHB do I detect a sense of humbleness in your response? It is truely sincere or not just a predator distraction tactic, a trap set to see the prey fall and once down take advantage and then go for the kill? Please do not repeat what you have previously done, ask to be forgiven, but start right back up, with the ridicule, mockery and sardonic laughter. Please stop with the false accusations, that we are intoxicated with tainted "kool aide juice." How can you expect others to take you seriously and answer your questions, get into a discussion when you behave in such a childish manner. I have never judged you as you erroneously think, I am no one to judge, but I do question your motives, so you don't need my forgiveness, I only ask for an apology
Titus 3 : 4-7
1 Peter 1-3:15
As long as I dont repeat what I already have, you can continue avoiding the unanwerable questions you keep running from in the hopes that you will some how come out looking like the winner of a lost cause who still managed to get the last word in if we ever finish this thread before Jesus returns lol .
Anyway , the invitation stands and I will let the word of God speak for itself and you can read it for yourself ,beginning with the verses I posted above and do what you want with them .
where do you get this stuff from.
oH thats right I know ..wink wink nudge nudge say no more...LoL
I could sit around and grow some wings ...take a magical carpet ride to heaven..hang out for a thousand years and come back down...ditch the wings and live happily ever after....
or I can do what Bears do ...sleep for a thousand years and then come out of my cave to a wonderful new world...now that would be so cool !
The focus is not whether to "discredit" or give "credit" it is not about that, but rather it is to achieve discernment, reach a harmonious understanding, gain greater spiritual wisdom, improve our relationship with God, spread the "good news," preach by example, put forth and convert our faith into positive concrete action.
You see DDT this is exactly my point and the whole issue here. If you wish to achieve anything productive, then eliminate the confrontational aspects of your interactions, get rid of the animosity and conflictive nature in your approach, the adversarial "you against me" mindset is not good, you gain nothing and should avoid it at all cost. If anything there is a greater possibility that you will lose credibilty and be labeled a trouble maker then anything else.
To DHB-Unfortunately, I can not consider myself a JW, I am neither worthy enough or have the privilege to hold such an honorable title nor quite ready to dedicate and commit my life to the service of God. I believe, I am however, what you might call a "de facto" JW in the heart, by practice or actuality, but without official recognition.
Paul himself said he was the chief of sinners and then went on to write that '' all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God '' ROM 3-23 . Isaiah wrote that '' our righteousness is as filthy rags ''.
You dont need me (who also is a sinner ) to tell you that you are a sinner also when God Himself tells you this in His word . Why do you the continue to play and waste so much time with one you dont take seriously ? Sorry mama , but guillemore makes a horrible running mate and both of you have still failed to not only answer my questions , but you have failed to show me where I am guilty of being an apostate who preaches false doctrine out of context ? Please show me where I am out of context and since you say that I am wrong , please tell me what the truth is mama , and tell me what hope you have to offer to me that is better than the one God has made to me in scripture ? I will atleast give you the respect of listening while reserving the right to prove you wrong .
All along you have accused ME of being an apostate ( read the preceeding posts ) and now you say the goal is not to discredit but to spread the good news of a false gospel of possible salvation by works .
Guilliemore , since you cannot answer the questions I have been asking you about the credibility of the JWS , perhaps at the very least , you could please tell us what the ''good news '' is and how one can go to heaven and what they must do to have eternal life and assurance of that . Please back this up biblically . You have wasted your time trying to make a case out of my imaginary anger problem that has become your latest fetish you are trying to convince the world of in a feeble attempt to hide behind the skirts of paper weight contenders like yourself who CAN GIVE NO EXPLANATION FOR THE HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE while bashing and criticizing the ones that do have it and can give a biblically backed explanation for it .(TIENES CELO QUIZA ?)
For BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES . IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST .
For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS which God hath forordained that we should walk in them ''
Ephesians2 ;4-10
This is the good news as set forth in scripture . This is why the gospel literally means '' good news my friends . In the original greek, ''whoever'' means any and all . not just a favored or select few . Salvation and eternal life in the new heaven and the new earth is an open invitation to any and all who wish to be saved and is only attainable because Jesus Christ died for us and rose from the dead , fulfilling the requirements on the law that were against us in His life and nailing them to His cross in His death . You SEE THAT THE WORD SAYS THAT SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT ' so no one can boast that thier own goodness saved them. The good works a Christian does are not unto salvation , but rather a result of there salvation that God has prepared in advance for them do do after they have been saved by faith .
Huh (?) Never stated that I was an authority, don't know where you get that one from or is it that for you, I come across as an authority? Thank you for the compliment, never knew you cared.
Since when do I need to come out of the closet ? From day one I clearly stated that I had great admiration for the JW and for the work that they do. I said that I studied their teachings and associated closely with them, plain and simple. I was very forth right about it. But you kept on about me being ashamed, that I was hiding but you went on and on, blah, blah, blah. How pathetic. In order for some one to call himself a JW one must make the final step and dedicate his life through baptism and once consumated it becomes a spiritual contract with God and Jesus Christ
Please don't show me darkness, let us rather discuss and debate the word for the sake of finding truth, to help us see and reach the light, achieve greater wisdom and spirituality and not to prove me wrong. Just leave your contentious mood for another place and another time, most certainly not here in this forum. We do not need disputatious and quarrelsome posters to come and instigate a conflict particularly when it involves the word of God.
You see this is where you get confused and this is the difference. The JW believe that Jesus died for our sins, God gave the blood of his son in ransome sacrifice, salvation could not be possible had it not been for Christ. The JW's believe the same thing, but you are confused about the JW concept of "salvation by works." That is not true what you think
The JW put as much enfasis on salvation by grace and they do by showing God Love and appreciation for the blood of Christ through action and works. JW's show the Love and appreciate God's grace. They are the only religious Christian organization on earth that actually practices grass roots preaching going door-to-door. Do you know how hard that is? DHB you can't imagine the meaning. It is an inmense sacrifice to leave the home and family and knock on some ones door who is not going to appreciate it. But they follow Math 24:14-That is faith in action
But to say that the Jehovah Witnesses believe salvation is gained exclusively by works alone is totally untrue and that is the complete falseness you are spreading and reason you need to be better informed before you start to defame a virtuous group of Christian people, who are only human that like you and me, can commit imperfections, but are willing to do right and try to do good and be their best, but most importantly want to please God Almighty Jehovah.
He died for all, so that they who live might no longer (A)live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.-2 Corinthians 5:15 (New American Standard Bible)
Why do you comtinue to engage me after swearing not to engage me any further time and time again ? Obviously my ''anger '' or percieved tone is not so offensive that you can continue to keep coming back . I for one would not continue to re-engage in civil dialouge with an uncivilized school yard bully .
Jesus did not say to '' go witnessing door to door '' . He said go into all the world and '' be witnesses '' . My personal evangelism takes place on the battle field of life under the power and authority of the HOLY SPIRIT , and is lived out before the lost and dying that are placed in my sphere of influence . Only the JWS want to make a show of it . Millions of evangelical christians are going door to door for your information , but they are not doing it to promote the Kingdom hall . Preaching the word to me is an honor , not a burden or great sacrifice of obligation as it is to you .I do this every day all day under the Spirits power . Can you imagine that ?
What about th thief on the cross ? He never did a damn thing except ask '' Lord , remember me when you come into your kingdom '', to which Jesus replied ,'' I tell you the truth , today you will be with me in paradise ''. This was a death bed conversion . The guy never got baptized , never went door to door and never went to Haiti with a shovel . It was a total transaction of faith . It was all in the heart , not the hands . The fact the the thiefs hands were tied is the shocking symbolism that HE COULD DO NOTHING TO EARN HIS SALVATION BUT ADMIT HE NEEDED TO BE SAVED AND THEN ASK .
This is why I quoted John 6-28,29 ,'' Then they asked Jesus, what works must we do to do the works of God ?'' and Jesus answersed them and said ,''This is the work of God ,that you believe on Him that He sent ''. If you check the original greek , you will see that the word today , literally means today . Immediatly the thief would be ''absent from the body present with the lord '' 2 COR,5-8.
I have already admitted my guilt more than once and do so again for the record . The bottom line is that this is not about Guillemone nor Dominican Heartbeat , but like everything , should be about the glory of God and the advancement of His eternal kingdom and those that are lost and dying with no hope beyond the grave as they face an eternity in hell seperated from the love of God because they rejected the love and work of Jesus Christ . Would you agree ?
At any rate, lets agree to disagree in love giving grace to one another and perhaps when this thread has run out of line, we can even be genuine friends who eat a fried fish together on Sosua beach one day ?
I would like to know what you have to say in response to the verses I already quoted in Titus and ephesians and Romans and expain how works has anything to do with our salvation . I also want you to tell me what the good news is ?
Yes, I will share and tell you about the good news. However, for now I need to to take a break. I have a very busy schedule and have taken time away from my secular responsibilities to post on this site. I have two jobs, family, a business and still manage to dedicate time to spiritual matters, when, it should be the other way around. But I do promise to come back. I expect it to be a short recess, but I will return. Again thanks and May Jehova God in the name of Christ bless you. AMEN
Galatians:3-21,26
I will finally end this by saying that the word of God can speak for Himself,and we are all accountable to know what that word says to us .Let us be Berians and read the entire scriptures for ourselves and not take other peoples word for our eternal destiny ,asking the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth as He promises to do for those who ask .
God bless all of you,
Love DHB