SANTO DOMINGO. - The deputy Pelegrin Castillo said Thursday that the report by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) on the living conditions of Haitian immigrants in the country forms part of the disinformation campaign to again downplay the magnitude of the drama he affirms the Haitian people suffer.
The legislator denied that the Haitians are mistreated in the country, and noted that immigrants don’t get the best treatment nowhere in the world. “Let’s be clear, if there is a point in the world where Haitian immigrants have the best conditions is in Dominican Republic, considering our nation’s reality.”
He said the study isn’t credible because it places the Haitian immigrant population at only around 600,000 in the country, when in fact that figure was of 10 years ago, and the current number is as high as 1.5 million, mainly after the January 12 quake.
Interviewed in the National Palace, Castillo also warned that the country will have to confront an offensive against its credibility and image, because despite what he sees as being the most integrating, open and tolerant nation, the criticisms and harassment continue.
The lawmaker called the international community’s commitment with Haiti not serious, insincere, inconsistent and manipulative. “The United Nations knows perfectly well that Haiti’s tragedy is the fact that it was a collapsed State before January 12, when the earthquake occurred,” a calamity he said is being turned into a great business instead of a humanitarian effort.
“I had imagined that the United States, which is directing that campaign, was going to designate the Navy Corp of engineers for the reconstruction task,” he said.
The legislator for the National District (FNP party) said given the circumstances the Government must energetically bolster its border control policy. “The Dominican government should’ve demanded the international community’s guarantee of our territorial integrity a long time ago, because they know the magnitude of Haiti’s crisis and the dramatic deterioration of its reality.”
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The DR is damned if it does and Damned if it Does not .....Use extreme caution when dealing with people who have a hidden agenda .....the " One Droppers " do not get it ....Culture trumps race ...Just ask the Bosnians and the Serbs or the Turks and the Greeks etc .
Written by: ElProfe 
, 11 Jun 2010 9:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
Blu,
Very well said.
I say that the Dominicans need to take back there Country.
The American have there own problems that even they can't fix.
They should mind there own business.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I agree entirely Blu ,,it is horrible to see the plight of the Haitians living here in the DR and even worse to see their plight in Haiti.
it is such a huge effort to turn Haiti around so that Haitians feel less inclined to leave their country and I get the impression, that despite all the meetings no one is really sure how to get the ball rolling except in short term relief. I may be doing the planners an injustice but I have not read of any longer term plan that has started.
Written by: ateo2010 , 11 Jun 2010 9:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
straight on Mr. Castillo!!
From: United States
Pst !
what about he Haitian stinking elite ?
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Maybe Dread you have read something into the posting of Blu that i did not ..I read it mainly as saying we are damned if we take the Haitians into the DR and they live in horrible conditions and we are damned if we do not take them and that there are examples of two populations trying to live together unsuccessfully .
Written by: Beau305, 11 Jun 2010 10:18 AM
From: United States, Fort bragg north carolina
C'est vrai qu'on dit:" de ne pas juger le livre selon sa courverture".Of course they are going to believe that,especially when we have couple brainless people posting some prejudice comments on the board toward the Haitians; that'll explain every thing & it doesn't make the DR look good
And remember that:" Dominicans aren't the only ones visiting the DOMINICANTODAY.com"
OK guys, cambia la manera
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Settle down Archie
Written by: generoso, 11 Jun 2010 10:24 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
After the Haitian earthquake hit, a group of Dominicans including myself was working 24/7 to help with donations and aid for earthquake relief, the things that struck me the worst was the APATHY that the resident Haitians themselves had, to their countrymen. In the long line of the Dominican Red Cross there few Haitians if any waiting to donate needed blood, all the Haitians that were working in DR, where more concerned about their immediate relatives living in Haiti, but no one else.
Dominicans have been very patiently struggling with the never ending, persistent and constant demands that the Haitian illegals place on us. Our payback has been accusations of discrimination and more demands. Haitians are in denial, feeding their ego with stories of past glories, meanwhile being an increasing burden on the rest of the region.
Written by: generoso, 11 Jun 2010 10:25 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Continued
Haitians have to stop being dependent and always asking for hand outs and favors from everybody else. This beggar mentality has to change. There has to be a line drawn in the border soon, or the DR will cease to exist.
From: United States
i have been saying the same thing for quite a while, generoso, and i hope it is not falling on deaf ears
Written by: generoso, 11 Jun 2010 10:54 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Some hear only what they want to hear, and some of us as responsible citizens can only hope that our warning messages are taken seriously, and the ruling classes do not go in denial as well.
The DR is slowly but surely losing land and assets to the Haitians, and they have been inching their way into the DR, with greater speed and voracity and becoming settlers or squatters. This forced elbowing of Haitians in the Dominican home and dinner table will reach an explosive point, and like a volcano will erupt one day, causing great havoc, and maybe even civil strife.
From: United States
actually, prof, i would no longer use the term slowly inching. the ingress has picked up some serious momentum. just look around you on a daily basis, and you will see what i refer to. it is sad that the haitian government has done nothing to make haiti habitable. they are similar to mexico, whose attitude is to leave things in a rotten state, then encourage their nationals to cross over into the USA. the poop is going to hit the fan if something is not done, and fast!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The outside agitators would be then be able to say " I told you so " it is a mess that will be the ruin of all possible future prosperity for everyone .....cooler heads must prevail
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Dread it would be preferable to say " When Flying Fecal Matter Intersects With Rotating Inclined Plane it is not evenly distributed "
It's probably best to stand behind it.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Jun 2010 11:51 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Let's all take a step backward and think for a moment before we start pointing fingers. I need the date of the report. I have seen tremendous good will on both side. My question is why would the UN will make public such a report in this present juncture and who are the beneficiaries ?
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
lol
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
I do believed both government share the blame for this issue. when I was a kid under the Duvalier regime things were economical better in Haiti there was a quota system for sugar cane cutter in DR. Every year a specific amount of Haitian field workers were sent and allowed to come to DR. Nobody knew the conditions these workers were living under until a book came out called the Bitter Sugar which was follow by an expose' by Barbara Walter and 20/20 circa 1988. These people were not paid in currency rather some type of token usable only at the camp store ,forget about cash to send back home to your family. I believe from that system forward came your stigmatization.
The reality is this from 1987 until the second election of Preval Haiti have not had a functioning government but DR does. How come there is not a guess worker program in place( the cat is already out the bag cheap labor from Haiti) along with a policy to deal with those who hire illegals.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
cont
Could it be your country path to development is part of the problem. Major development fuel only by foreign investments,people who does not have any tie to the place and social advancement is not part of their agenda but simply out to extract maximum return out of the country. Could it be the reason the DR government is mum on this issue is because they understand it is part of the deal they had to make with the devil.After all it is the same government that sign that beach policy addendum to your constitution?
Written by: antonioj, 11 Jun 2010 12:13 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Can someone tell me more about Mr Pelegrin Castillo, his voting record, his plan or agenda on how he hopes to resolve the immigration issue with Haiti
From: United States
Pst UNDP !
Forgot to denounce the alien dirty elite tin Haiti hat has made life so unbearable for haitians that they are forced to to invade the DR and become a nuisance .
Written by: antonioj, 11 Jun 2010 12:41 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Etienn I do not agree with you completely, you should read a little the Duvalier's era to understand the elite mindset. Haiti need a leader that can heal old wound and unite Haitians under a common cause.
From: United States, Brooklyn
It will never stop... Just closed the border and deport them all!!!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Increase CESFRONT to 10,000 men!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Bluesky, you're right on this one... The One Droppers, sees us as one and the same and can't comprehend why on god's green earth we just wont mesh with the Haitians...
From: United States, Brooklyn
Bluesky, you're right on this one... The One Droppers, sees us as one and the same and can't comprehend why on god's green earth we just wont mesh with the Haitians...
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
In my opinion, I think it'd all DR fault for letting them in.
Written by: telemeco, 11 Jun 2010 1:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
No easy answer,,,if we pick all the haitian and deport them, they still right there just waiting to cross the border. if we close the border, dominican will sneak haitian into DR for cheap labor.
Border province depend on haitian trade, i just hope that now haiti have 11.5 billion dollar to use to develop they country, no national debt, this money is used to improve the social economy life of haitian, this way they can stop coming across the border
Written by: vacanos, 11 Jun 2010 1:27 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Perigrin Castillo one of the old nationalist guard who founded the Partido Quisqueyano Democrata (PQD). One of the few still alive of these kind of people. Who will tell it like it is no matter how high the wave is coming if it mean to defend our country. His Party along with the Frente Nacional are one of the few still talking about the need to tackle the Haitian invasion.
QUE VIVAN PARA SIEMPRE NUESTRO COMPATRIOTA NACIONALISTA.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
the end to end hi speed or average speed rail system will be a good thing for both countries and will expedite trade and that floats all boats .....with border checks of course
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 1:32 PM
From: United States
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Jun 2010 1:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Just 2 words ...Presidente Castillo!!
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 1:39 PM
From: United States
He would be a marvelous Presidente indeed.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
From what generoso and dread are writing it makes it makes my statement that it is vital to turn Haiti around so Haitians feel less inclined to leave their country .But I have written before, in order to turn Haiti around something has to be done about the fact that over 90 % of the land is owned by 2 or 3% of the people and I would suggest the wealth is held in the same proportion. You cannot have this feudal system to operate and also to have wealth spread around the population . What can a government do , when the government there only gets it´s income from a very few number of people who control almost everything .
It is a dreadful situation there that will require some very tough but necessary decisions that will anger the small elite who have become multi rich at the expense of the general population.
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 1:47 PM
From: United States
Agreed Vacanos que viva! Pelegrin Castillo que viva!!!
Written by: vacanos, 11 Jun 2010 2:13 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Ricardolito
We need to start on where we have the power to act. And that is to help elect a nationalist’s president in the mold of Balaguer in the case of Peregrin. Who from the get go will kick the NGO cockroach and human right evil out of the country. Start calling out the country that support this invasion and let them know firm not to intervene in DR's internal matter as Balaguer once did. As Generoso pointed out this Haitian invasion is now the topic at almost every Dominican dinner table. We need to start this word of mouth of the importance of taking our country back and how.
We don't need to start taking our country back with the status quo of let's pray for rain.. If someone don't know Leonel that person will thinks that he is the president of the entire Hispañola. he is acting and accepting the Haitian invasion like it is our fate.
Written by: vacanos, 11 Jun 2010 2:16 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Factor
Estamos al ley de un Peregrin para reconquistar nuestra Quisqueya.
Written by: Yucahu, 11 Jun 2010 2:18 PM
From: United States, Miami
Calm down peeps these current Haitians will have kids and these kids will become Dominican and pretty soon they will be typing here on Dominican Today saying how we have to keep all those other haitians out. It's all good...
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 2:54 PM
From: United States
Calm down peeps these current Haitianos will have kids and these kids will become Haitian and pretty soon they will be typing here on Dominican Today saying that they are Dominican. When truly they are Haitians, it's all good??? Lmfao!!!
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 2:57 PM
From: United States
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 3:05 PM
From: United States
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
very strange that when I write agreeing with generoso and dreadlocks that they receive pluses and i receive a minus
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
vacanos ..you have no disagreement from me ..the point I am trying to make is that the best way to stop Haitians from coming into the DR is to give them work in their own country ,,then they will be happy and we will be happy also .The problem is that I have seen no plans for any long term solution to the Haiti problem and I think this is because the property and wealth is controlled by such a small number of people and not even the government and somehow this situation has to be changed .
the situation is much the same in the DR but not nearly as bad,where too few people control too much of the wealth and it is not broadly enough based .
But I do not want the haitian problem to escalate here any more than you or others do .
Written by: danny00, 11 Jun 2010 4:01 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
U SWritten by: etiennc01, 11 Jun 2010 9:47 AM
From: United States
Pst !
what about he Haitian stinking elite. U SAY TODAY GREAT COMMENT I THINK
yes your right as long as where on the subject of of the STINKING ELITE, WHAT ABOUT THE DOMINICAN STINKING ELITE?..
treat their own as SLAVES.
if u want to CLEAN THE COUNTRY GET RID OF ALL THE AS U CALL THEM STINKING ELITE.
U THINK THE HAITIAN ELITE STINK MORE THEN THE DOMINICAN ELITE? THEY BOTH STINK FROM HELL BUDDY. AND THATS WHERE THEY ALL BELONG both let their own SUFFER EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK WITH NO HOPE FOR A FUTURE OF ANY KIND.
Written by: danny00, 11 Jun 2010 4:02 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
also who is giving the haitians work? WHO BRINGS THEM TO THE DR.?
its the STINKING ELITE IS IT NOT?
Written by: danny00, 11 Jun 2010 4:13 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
VERY GOOD IDEA I LIKE THESE THOUGHTS. BELOW U WROTE TODAY
Written by: vacanos, 11 Jun 2010 2:13 P An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
We need to start on where we have the power to act. And that is to help elect a nationalist’s president in the mold of Balaguer in the case of Peregrin. Who from the get go will kick the NGO cockroach and human right evil out of the country.
MAN I WISH UNCLE SAM WOULD DO THE SAME KICK THE GARBAGE OUT
JUST LOOK AT NEW YORK CITY LOOK AND U WILL SEE.
I SAY KICK ALL THE GARBAGE OUT NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE FROM IF THEIR HAITIANS, OR EVEN DOMINICANS IN NEW YORK CITY KICK THEM OUT REAL HARD I SAY..
VERY GOOD THOUGHTS U SHOULD TRY AND GET GET SOME WORK AT THEU.N IN NEW YORK I MAN WITH YOUR GREAT THINKING SHOULD TAKE THESE THOUGHTS TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND JUST MAYBE U CAN HELP SAVE THIS WORLD WITH THE GOODNESS U CARRY IN YOUR HEART.
GOD BLESS U FRIEND KEE
Written by: danny00, 11 Jun 2010 4:14 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
keep up the good work u are doing
Written by: danny00, 11 Jun 2010 4:17 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
From what generoso and dread are writing it makes it makes my statement that it is vital to turn Haiti around so Haitians feel less inclined to leave their country
and yes also MEXICO SHOULD DO THE SAME
WHY CANT MEXICO MAKE JOBS FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE?
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 4:19 PM
From: United States
Haiti is poor because Haitians in the upper crust dont identify themselves with the black masses. Most Haitian elites are mulatto and think they are French, although their skin color is yellowish go figure! LOL. Here's proof
http://www.margueritelaurent.com/law/GildanSK.jpg From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
ElFactor that may be correct but it is not their bias as to colour or to country that concerns me as much as the fact that they make money in Haiti and take it out of Haiti ..If the money stayed in Haiti and was reinvested in projects that benefited Haiti ,it would be not so bad . It is much the same in the DR but at a reduced level where so much profit leaves this country ..if it stayed here then the DR would be better off . But can you just take land away from people to make wealth more evenly spread ????..that was the Cuba solution.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Jun 2010 6:14 PM
From: Canada, home safe
ElFactor that may be correct but it is not their bias as to colour or to country that concerns me as much as the fact that they make money in Haiti and take it out of Haiti ..If the money stayed in Haiti and was reinvested in projects that benefited Haiti ,it would be not so bad . It
it's done for a reason since Haiti has been historically unstable, further in a state where there have been so numerous coup d'etat, it's regarded as safer to keep minimum liquidity in the country and the profit in banks oversea because you may wake up one day and have absolutely nothing.
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 6:27 PM
From: United States
Ricardolito Haiti is a different case due to it's history and economic development. But all country's in the third world suffer from a lack of opportunities because they are incapable of moving forward into full development . Why because industrialized nations have a grip on technological, engineering and creative know how. As for the "elite" question, the U.S. also has an elite that exploits it's own workers.
From: United States
there are two fundamental internal reasons why the modernization of the DR is so painful, and has occasioned the chaotic state of affairs that we see before us today. the first reason is that the DR joined the modernization race late in the day, at a time when globalization was just picking up momentum. other countries in the caribbean had solid tourism industries long before he DR joined the party. by the time they got in, there were investors who were looking to diversify their tourist product, and they were welcomed with open arms. they needed cheap labor, and the haitians were the cheap laborers. so, in comes factor number 2. the ease with which dominican politicians and bureaucrats can be bought and sold, for 30 pieces of silver. so, they sold the country down the river, assuring the guys from the USA and europe that they would keep the labor costs low. ergo, we have haitians working on every construction project, even the metro. nobody to blame but themselves.
From: United States
add to the mix factor number 3, the haitian government , which has done less than nothing to make haiti livable, and you get what you have today. the portends are dire, i am afraid. and, all the guys out there who do not realize that the wave of gringo investment is over, better look around them. yes, he hotels will keep on being built, but that is about it. the high tech guys, who started nosing around the country in , perhaps 2003 to 2008, have called it a day. they cannot do business here. too much corruption, kickback requests, and red tape. it is not pretty.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Dr Dread
Your last 2posts are right on the money. words from a true Sage.
Antonio J- Glad you see the light your posts are on point on the view of the Haitian elite.
Ricky- Are you familiar with the Pareto Principle. The issue of very few owning all the wealth of a country is not just a Haitian thing.
From: United States
thank you for your kind words, Pat. the respect is mutual, as i am sure you are aware.
Written by: BASTA, 11 Jun 2010 9:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
oh my and dominicans do not beg and scam and steal bull =This beggar mentality has to change.
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 9:43 PM
From: United States
All other nations in the Caribbean suffer from rampant corruption, drug trafficking and foreign investments. In fact all country's in the world have foreign investors, corruption, drug trafficking etc, etc... including the most industrialized nations. British Petroleum is making an ecological mess on the U.S. coastline on the Gulf of Mexico, it's a foreign firm doing business in U.S. territorial waters. So what are you making a big deal of!!!
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 9:46 PM
From: United States
Oh my god Haitians beg and scam and steal + Haiti is a beggar nation full of corruppt tyrannical governments. The beggar mentality will never end LOL...
From: United States
ElFactor, last time i checked, the name of this site was Dominicantoday, not Allothercountriesinthecaribbeantoday. we realize that there is corruption in other places, too.. if you wish to discuss that reality, go open a thread about that subject in the forum.for purposes of this discussion, we are describing conditions in the country which is at the focus of the topic.
Written by: ElFactor, 11 Jun 2010 10:04 PM
From: United States
Oh, i see i offended you're wisdom? ouch!!!
From: United States
it is not wisdom, senor factor. some of us just call it common sense.
From: United States
Written by: Yucahu, 11 Jun 2010 2:18 PM
From: United States, Miami
Calm down peeps these current Haitians will have kids and these kids will become Dominican and pretty soon they will be typing here on Dominican Today saying how we have to keep all those other haitians out. It's all good...
Sad the brainwashing. LMFAO
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Fight for our land my brave Domincan people. Give my people jobs and send these people back to their land. They have quietly invaded our property with their welfare mentality. We have allowed way too much an now they are taking over with their lack of graditude an finger pointing. We have been robbed taken advantage of an now we are the villians. War war war i say. Let us fight!!!!!!!!
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Castillo-Mirabal 2012 Nuestro Futuro!!!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Put a bounty on all Hateians and they will run back to their glorious
wasteland, including Dr Dread the taxi jockey, and Antonioj his Hateian wife
From: United States
gladiator, apparently some of them took your desk in school.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 10:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Paisanos and Paisanas the one way to force change is not to vote or support ANY candidate that does not have a plan to correct this problem ,anyone who allows this silent invasion to continue is a traitor to the nation and we see us lose all our forefathers fought for to the people who have done the most harm to our nation and against whom our most glorious heroes fought!
"Lloraremos como mujeres lo que no supimos defender como hombres" (con perdon de las mujeres)
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jun 2010 11:33 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gladiator, 13 Jun 2010 10:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Put a bounty on all Hateians and they will run bak to their glorious
wasteland
"
Sh?t you are hooked on phonics, lol , could it be that, you had an Haitian as a teacher. Just precious, my 7 years old daughter is giggling.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jun 2010 11:37 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: dreadlocks, 13 Jun 2010 10:40 AM
From: United States
gladiator, apparently some of them took your desk in school.
Wrong, his desk was present, however he sat beneath it.
Written by: bankai, 13 Jun 2010 1:43 PM
From: United States, Long Island
if hatianos have it so bad and are so discriminated in DR they should all leave. all 1.5m of them. If it were up to me I wouldnt allow a single one. Son como la cucaracha....todo lo que tocan lo danan, they are simply good for nothing other than just try to move to DR and say they are being mistreated..
When was the last time you saw a hatian doing something good and positive for DR other than conplain and talk shit??? I cant remember any, can you?
From: United States
holy jeezus! another moron joins the chorus. do you consider working for pennies in 90 degrees of temperature to build houses, hotels, and do all the menial labor in the DR something positive?i can understand some of the animosities between the two sides, and what lies at the root of it all. but ignorant, medieval commentary does not advance the discourse. what if the USA decided to take your advice and boot out all Dominicans? would you be willing to mix and schlepp concrete all day long for 200 pesos per day? just asking
From: United States
what leonel should do is: get preval out of there and put a governor, mayor in haiti, make haiti's another dr provincia, city !! chance haiti's constitution and named the island santo domingo!!! it's the only way to fix this mess!
Written by: ElFactor, 13 Jun 2010 3:07 PM
From: United States
What you should do is shut you're trap... Traitors like you 'j a r a b a c o a', should also be deported to Haiti with the Haitian invaders. Maybe you and all the damn N.G.O's and think tanks and anti-Dominican psycho analytical foreign historians, just plain deceivers and liers like Michelle Wucker & company, which are also members of 'Think Tanks' should all enjoy the Haitian riviera far away from Dominican soil, enjoy you will not be missed.
http://www.policyinnovations.org/innovators/organizations/data/00852From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
Antonioji, you need to fix yourself.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Jarabacoa" te puedes ir al mismísimo infierno ,o peor aun a Puerto Príncipe .Gente como tu serian los primeros que deberían ponerse al paredón !!
Eres un apatrido ,un vendepatria ,lo mas bajo que existe en la humanidad y si fuese necesario degollar cientos como tu lo haría gustosamente para defender la soberanía Dominicana de la peor desgracia que nos pueda caer (después de la primera ocupación)
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 4:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio,HOOKED on phonics not HOOK on phonics ....if you want to correct someone at least try to correct your own glaring mistakes in English!!
Written by: ElFactor, 13 Jun 2010 4:15 PM
From: United States
Pelegrin Castillo para Presidente de la Republica Dominicana. Cuentas con el voto de mi familia entera.
From: United States
They are working their plans while keeping folks busy.
Between 2005 to 2007 the apparel industry of the Dominican Republic was in bad shape. So Charlie Rangel -- who has a superb residence in the Dominican Republic-- introduced legislation to rescue and enrich DR captains. But there was something missing that the earthquake provided. Hence came H.R. 5160 Haiti Economic Lift Program Act of 2010 (HELP). At first, everyone worried about the creation of sweatshop jobs in Haiti. Well, the first to benefit from this bill is not Haiti. Although the bill title leads everyone to believe that it was about Haiti, everywhere in the bill, the real beneficiaries are "Haiti or the Dominican Republic."
Note the bill title: "To extend the Caribbean Basin Economic Recovery Act, to provide customs support services to Haiti, and for other purposes."
From: United States
Both the Senate and House version of the bill acknowledged that the factories and infrastructure in Haiti were destroyed by the earthquake, so the immediate theater of operations is the Dominican Republic.
There are 168 textile companies in Dominican Republic that are benefiting now from the signing of the HELP Act into law.
In Haiti, there were 24 textile companies before January 12, 2010, but most did not survive the wrath of the quake.
Rangel, the miracle worker for the Dominicans, introduced the bill on 4/28/2010. There was only 40 minutes allocated for debate, enough time for the co-sponsors to speak on behalf of the bill and the measure was passed. Believe it or not, in four weeks, the bill was introduced, voted on and signed into law by the president on 5/24/2010.
From: United States
Also, we know that all the big names in clothing in the US have their clothing made in DR.
The president of the DR quietly signed his version of TPS to all Haitians living in the DR. That was probably part of the deal; no more ugly scenes of mass deportations of Haitian nationals from the DR. All Haitians on Dominican soil have a three year permit to stay in the DR legally until they can have permanent residency. All Haitian students in the DR have either a substantial reduction in tuition or free tuition for one year. So the DR gets to keep the labor force in case anyone notices that no Haitian workers benefited from the bill. Rangel successfully rallied members of the black caucus to co-sponsor the bill – his retirement package abroad. Since no one asked for a recorded vote, the measure passed with Voice Vote only. So we won't know who else screwed Haiti on the Hill besides the co-sponsors. Well we know, except there is no record of it.
From: United States
It was Congressman Hank Johnson who said something that raised suspicion. He told the speaker of house that the bill will benefit Haiti, the Dominican Republic and their economy. Three weeks earlier, Hank Johnson asked a general if the island of Guam would capsize if the number of soldiers are increased. This time, it was his support of the bill, since there was no recorded vote, which capsized Haiti on the floor of the House. He also let the cat out of the bag. He was the only one of the co-sponsors who mentioned the Dominican Republic on the floor of the House.
Why would a bill design for Haiti/post earthquake be beneficial to the Dominican Republic? Of course, Rangel. Since the president signed the bill into law on 5/24/2010, these companies can now export duty free to the States no matter where the fabric originated from. So the guys in Brazil got their lobbying money's worth and cheap labor.
From: United States
So, although this is a bill to revive Haiti after the quake, there was no mention of it in the media about the president signing the bill into law. The New York Times chose to write about something else. Distrust of the Haitian government and in-fighting within Haitians have always been the tool used to rob Haiti. It is used to empower NGOs and special business interests. In order to overcome the struggle, we must always keep an eye on the money and who stands to benefit from everything. As always, it is rarely the Haitian people. Remember that Brazil was asking for favorable treatment for clothing made in Haiti, but the factories are in the DR. They hired a law firm in DC and they took care of business. Perhaps DC stands for Diabolical Circle and not District of Columbia
From: Dominican Republic
Gracias Pepe, lo grande es que todos estos minoples como el agitador Jamiquino y el otro Haitiano, se creen tan superiores, porque saben gramatica en ingles. Yo se que solo soy un campesino, pero Dominicano con orgullo, carajo, y hasta la cepa.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jun 2010 5:04 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Pepe, you get a browny here, however I would expect someone that want to engage into meaningful discourse to at least properly spell "Haitian & Back". don't you think ?
in my case it was a simple "over-looked" that you are trying to capitalize on.
Written by: generoso, 13 Jun 2010 5:40 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
antonioj
The essence of the message that gladiator was trying to convey, is that it's important, not the typos or grammaticals faux pas.
Some of you have a tendency to mock others that are not as well versed in the complexities of english grammar, proper syntax, and delivery of thoughts in writing, where instead you should be more concerned about the message, not "killing" figuratively speaking, the messenger.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jun 2010 6:19 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Totally in agreement professor Generoso, I have sinned myself, however one would have expected a bare minimum. Otherwise I am the opinion the message will be a challenge to decipher and most likely diluted.
Written by: generoso, 13 Jun 2010 6:33 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
antonioj
Mon ami, we have to all be a little less argumentative, for the level and predicament that others find themselves in. As a lecturer, sometimes I have been asked the most stupid questions, that defy an answer, but these persons, maybe on a different cognitive level are also human beings, that deserve compassion, in a quest and desperate search of a little truth and wisdom from others.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Jun 2010 6:43 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Professor
I will take your words under advisement and along the wisdom that you have eloquently displayed.
Written by: generoso, 13 Jun 2010 7:04 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Merci beaucoup.
From: United States
pepe, la isla se llama espanola! osea, todo el que vive en ella es espanol! yo le busco la logica es esto sin discriminar a nadie por su color...porque los haitianos no pueden ser dominicanos? por su color? entonces usted es racista y yo nada puedo hacer! trujillo ya murio y tambien su oscuro pasado, trujillo era un racista, dictador que le dio una mala imagen de racista a la republica dominicana.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jarabacoa ,eres un burro con b mayuscula! La isla se llama La Española pero consiste de DOS naciones y ni nosotros queremos ser Haitianos ni ellos quieren ser Dominicanos...en fin es una de las cosas en la que hay casi total concordancia en la isla entera pero gente como tu que son obviamente Haitianos disfrazados y sino algo mucho peor que es un traidor a la Patria de Duarte ,Sanchez y Mella son los únicos imbéciles que vienen con semejante barbaridad .Me gustaría que te dieras un paseillo por Moca a pie promoviendo tus sandeces para ver cuanto dura tu miserable existencia!
Por lo menos ten la dignidad de llamarte Cap Haitien o algo parecido porque tu no eres Dominicano!
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 9:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
" Pepe, you get a browny here, however I would expect someone that want to engage into meaningful discourse to at least properly spell "Haitian & Back". don't you think ?
in my case it was a simple "over-looked" that you are trying to capitalize on."
Antonio ,I know English is not your native tongue and that applies to many of us on this forum ,but when as Generoso stated you "kill the messenger" you totally ignore a tactic used by Anglophile afrocentrists on this forum which is to claim a higher intelligence or a superior education because the game is on their home turf (English) but if it were in Spanish they would be mute and probably sound like idiots because they don't know the language .I know your mistakes in English are not because of a lack of education ,instead they are due to English not being your primary language so when you use errors in English as a weapon you are as we say "throwing rocks in a glass house"
This concept is common among Anglophiles who consider
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jun 2010 9:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
knowledge of English and education to be synonymous and this does not only apply to the Anglo elite but to many in all the classes who have been bred with the ideal of Britannia which has extended to the former British colonies.
So as a primary speaker of a language other than English I would expect you not to follow in this path but to criticize the message or support it based on its merits and not its spelling and grammar in a language that is foreign to both Dominicans and Haitians.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Jarabacoa:
Que fumas hermano Haitiano? cuantas frustaciones de color en tus pronunciamientos, acaso tu constitucion haitiana no te da derecho, mencionaste la estupides de tus paisanos de que la
isla es una e indivisible, acaso un canadiense o mejicano son americanos porque todos pertenecen al continente norteamericano??
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Jarabacoa is a nasty Haitian Troll!!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Igor " the boot licker " BN .....get back to drunkards thread or get yourself clean and sober
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Blu,
Very well said.
I say that the Dominicans need to take back there Country.
The American have there own problems that even they can't fix.
They should mind there own business.
it is such a huge effort to turn Haiti around so that Haitians feel less inclined to leave their country and I get the impression, that despite all the meetings no one is really sure how to get the ball rolling except in short term relief. I may be doing the planners an injustice but I have not read of any longer term plan that has started.
what about he Haitian stinking elite ?
And remember that:" Dominicans aren't the only ones visiting the DOMINICANTODAY.com"
OK guys, cambia la manera
After the Haitian earthquake hit, a group of Dominicans including myself was working 24/7 to help with donations and aid for earthquake relief, the things that struck me the worst was the APATHY that the resident Haitians themselves had, to their countrymen. In the long line of the Dominican Red Cross there few Haitians if any waiting to donate needed blood, all the Haitians that were working in DR, where more concerned about their immediate relatives living in Haiti, but no one else.
Dominicans have been very patiently struggling with the never ending, persistent and constant demands that the Haitian illegals place on us. Our payback has been accusations of discrimination and more demands. Haitians are in denial, feeding their ego with stories of past glories, meanwhile being an increasing burden on the rest of the region.
Haitians have to stop being dependent and always asking for hand outs and favors from everybody else. This beggar mentality has to change. There has to be a line drawn in the border soon, or the DR will cease to exist.
Some hear only what they want to hear, and some of us as responsible citizens can only hope that our warning messages are taken seriously, and the ruling classes do not go in denial as well.
The DR is slowly but surely losing land and assets to the Haitians, and they have been inching their way into the DR, with greater speed and voracity and becoming settlers or squatters. This forced elbowing of Haitians in the Dominican home and dinner table will reach an explosive point, and like a volcano will erupt one day, causing great havoc, and maybe even civil strife.
It's probably best to stand behind it.
The reality is this from 1987 until the second election of Preval Haiti have not had a functioning government but DR does. How come there is not a guess worker program in place( the cat is already out the bag cheap labor from Haiti) along with a policy to deal with those who hire illegals.
Could it be your country path to development is part of the problem. Major development fuel only by foreign investments,people who does not have any tie to the place and social advancement is not part of their agenda but simply out to extract maximum return out of the country. Could it be the reason the DR government is mum on this issue is because they understand it is part of the deal they had to make with the devil.After all it is the same government that sign that beach policy addendum to your constitution?
Forgot to denounce the alien dirty elite tin Haiti hat has made life so unbearable for haitians that they are forced to to invade the DR and become a nuisance .
It will never stop... Just closed the border and deport them all!!!
Increase CESFRONT to 10,000 men!
Bluesky, you're right on this one... The One Droppers, sees us as one and the same and can't comprehend why on god's green earth we just wont mesh with the Haitians...
Bluesky, you're right on this one... The One Droppers, sees us as one and the same and can't comprehend why on god's green earth we just wont mesh with the Haitians...
Border province depend on haitian trade, i just hope that now haiti have 11.5 billion dollar to use to develop they country, no national debt, this money is used to improve the social economy life of haitian, this way they can stop coming across the border
QUE VIVAN PARA SIEMPRE NUESTRO COMPATRIOTA NACIONALISTA.
It is a dreadful situation there that will require some very tough but necessary decisions that will anger the small elite who have become multi rich at the expense of the general population.
We need to start on where we have the power to act. And that is to help elect a nationalist’s president in the mold of Balaguer in the case of Peregrin. Who from the get go will kick the NGO cockroach and human right evil out of the country. Start calling out the country that support this invasion and let them know firm not to intervene in DR's internal matter as Balaguer once did. As Generoso pointed out this Haitian invasion is now the topic at almost every Dominican dinner table. We need to start this word of mouth of the importance of taking our country back and how.
We don't need to start taking our country back with the status quo of let's pray for rain.. If someone don't know Leonel that person will thinks that he is the president of the entire Hispañola. he is acting and accepting the Haitian invasion like it is our fate.
Estamos al ley de un Peregrin para reconquistar nuestra Quisqueya.
the situation is much the same in the DR but not nearly as bad,where too few people control too much of the wealth and it is not broadly enough based .
But I do not want the haitian problem to escalate here any more than you or others do .
From: United States
Pst !
what about he Haitian stinking elite. U SAY TODAY GREAT COMMENT I THINK
yes your right as long as where on the subject of of the STINKING ELITE, WHAT ABOUT THE DOMINICAN STINKING ELITE?..
treat their own as SLAVES.
if u want to CLEAN THE COUNTRY GET RID OF ALL THE AS U CALL THEM STINKING ELITE.
U THINK THE HAITIAN ELITE STINK MORE THEN THE DOMINICAN ELITE? THEY BOTH STINK FROM HELL BUDDY. AND THATS WHERE THEY ALL BELONG both let their own SUFFER EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK WITH NO HOPE FOR A FUTURE OF ANY KIND.
its the STINKING ELITE IS IT NOT?
Written by: vacanos, 11 Jun 2010 2:13 P An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
We need to start on where we have the power to act. And that is to help elect a nationalist’s president in the mold of Balaguer in the case of Peregrin. Who from the get go will kick the NGO cockroach and human right evil out of the country.
MAN I WISH UNCLE SAM WOULD DO THE SAME KICK THE GARBAGE OUT
JUST LOOK AT NEW YORK CITY LOOK AND U WILL SEE.
I SAY KICK ALL THE GARBAGE OUT NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE FROM IF THEIR HAITIANS, OR EVEN DOMINICANS IN NEW YORK CITY KICK THEM OUT REAL HARD I SAY..
VERY GOOD THOUGHTS U SHOULD TRY AND GET GET SOME WORK AT THEU.N IN NEW YORK I MAN WITH YOUR GREAT THINKING SHOULD TAKE THESE THOUGHTS TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND JUST MAYBE U CAN HELP SAVE THIS WORLD WITH THE GOODNESS U CARRY IN YOUR HEART.
GOD BLESS U FRIEND KEE
and yes also MEXICO SHOULD DO THE SAME
WHY CANT MEXICO MAKE JOBS FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE?
it's done for a reason since Haiti has been historically unstable, further in a state where there have been so numerous coup d'etat, it's regarded as safer to keep minimum liquidity in the country and the profit in banks oversea because you may wake up one day and have absolutely nothing.
Your last 2posts are right on the money. words from a true Sage.
Antonio J- Glad you see the light your posts are on point on the view of the Haitian elite.
Ricky- Are you familiar with the Pareto Principle. The issue of very few owning all the wealth of a country is not just a Haitian thing.
From: United States, Miami
Calm down peeps these current Haitians will have kids and these kids will become Dominican and pretty soon they will be typing here on Dominican Today saying how we have to keep all those other haitians out. It's all good...
Sad the brainwashing. LMFAO
wasteland, including Dr Dread the taxi jockey, and Antonioj his Hateian wife
"Lloraremos como mujeres lo que no supimos defender como hombres" (con perdon de las mujeres)
From: Dominican Republic
Put a bounty on all Hateians and they will run bak to their glorious
wasteland
"
Sh?t you are hooked on phonics, lol , could it be that, you had an Haitian as a teacher. Just precious, my 7 years old daughter is giggling.
From: United States
gladiator, apparently some of them took your desk in school.
Wrong, his desk was present, however he sat beneath it.
When was the last time you saw a hatian doing something good and positive for DR other than conplain and talk shit??? I cant remember any, can you?
Eres un apatrido ,un vendepatria ,lo mas bajo que existe en la humanidad y si fuese necesario degollar cientos como tu lo haría gustosamente para defender la soberanía Dominicana de la peor desgracia que nos pueda caer (después de la primera ocupación)
They are working their plans while keeping folks busy.
Between 2005 to 2007 the apparel industry of the Dominican Republic was in bad shape. So Charlie Rangel -- who has a superb residence in the Dominican Republic-- introduced legislation to rescue and enrich DR captains. But there was something missing that the earthquake provided. Hence came H.R. 5160 Haiti Economic Lift Program Act of 2010 (HELP). At first, everyone worried about the creation of sweatshop jobs in Haiti. Well, the first to benefit from this bill is not Haiti. Although the bill title leads everyone to believe that it was about Haiti, everywhere in the bill, the real beneficiaries are "Haiti or the Dominican Republic."
Note the bill title: "To extend the Caribbean Basin Economic Recovery Act, to provide customs support services to Haiti, and for other purposes."
There are 168 textile companies in Dominican Republic that are benefiting now from the signing of the HELP Act into law.
In Haiti, there were 24 textile companies before January 12, 2010, but most did not survive the wrath of the quake.
Rangel, the miracle worker for the Dominicans, introduced the bill on 4/28/2010. There was only 40 minutes allocated for debate, enough time for the co-sponsors to speak on behalf of the bill and the measure was passed. Believe it or not, in four weeks, the bill was introduced, voted on and signed into law by the president on 5/24/2010.
The president of the DR quietly signed his version of TPS to all Haitians living in the DR. That was probably part of the deal; no more ugly scenes of mass deportations of Haitian nationals from the DR. All Haitians on Dominican soil have a three year permit to stay in the DR legally until they can have permanent residency. All Haitian students in the DR have either a substantial reduction in tuition or free tuition for one year. So the DR gets to keep the labor force in case anyone notices that no Haitian workers benefited from the bill. Rangel successfully rallied members of the black caucus to co-sponsor the bill – his retirement package abroad. Since no one asked for a recorded vote, the measure passed with Voice Vote only. So we won't know who else screwed Haiti on the Hill besides the co-sponsors. Well we know, except there is no record of it.
Why would a bill design for Haiti/post earthquake be beneficial to the Dominican Republic? Of course, Rangel. Since the president signed the bill into law on 5/24/2010, these companies can now export duty free to the States no matter where the fabric originated from. So the guys in Brazil got their lobbying money's worth and cheap labor.
in my case it was a simple "over-looked" that you are trying to capitalize on.
The essence of the message that gladiator was trying to convey, is that it's important, not the typos or grammaticals faux pas.
Some of you have a tendency to mock others that are not as well versed in the complexities of english grammar, proper syntax, and delivery of thoughts in writing, where instead you should be more concerned about the message, not "killing" figuratively speaking, the messenger.
antonioj
Mon ami, we have to all be a little less argumentative, for the level and predicament that others find themselves in. As a lecturer, sometimes I have been asked the most stupid questions, that defy an answer, but these persons, maybe on a different cognitive level are also human beings, that deserve compassion, in a quest and desperate search of a little truth and wisdom from others.
I will take your words under advisement and along the wisdom that you have eloquently displayed.
Por lo menos ten la dignidad de llamarte Cap Haitien o algo parecido porque tu no eres Dominicano!
in my case it was a simple "over-looked" that you are trying to capitalize on."
Antonio ,I know English is not your native tongue and that applies to many of us on this forum ,but when as Generoso stated you "kill the messenger" you totally ignore a tactic used by Anglophile afrocentrists on this forum which is to claim a higher intelligence or a superior education because the game is on their home turf (English) but if it were in Spanish they would be mute and probably sound like idiots because they don't know the language .I know your mistakes in English are not because of a lack of education ,instead they are due to English not being your primary language so when you use errors in English as a weapon you are as we say "throwing rocks in a glass house"
This concept is common among Anglophiles who consider
So as a primary speaker of a language other than English I would expect you not to follow in this path but to criticize the message or support it based on its merits and not its spelling and grammar in a language that is foreign to both Dominicans and Haitians.
Que fumas hermano Haitiano? cuantas frustaciones de color en tus pronunciamientos, acaso tu constitucion haitiana no te da derecho, mencionaste la estupides de tus paisanos de que la
isla es una e indivisible, acaso un canadiense o mejicano son americanos porque todos pertenecen al continente norteamericano??