as provocative as this appears .....how can infants create so much hate ?????

This article is not worthy to be put here unless DT are attempting to provoke uncivilised and immature racist comments ,,the editor should be aware what responses these types of articles generate from previous postings . A very big thumbs down

Ricky it is probably healthier to listen to the venom on all side of this coin

according to a new study released by a university group, the most common names used to baptize this lovely new dominicans are

for boys is leonel
for girls is margarita

i wonder why is that?

This should be handled with due care; give each new born the correct documentation: Haitian ID. In the end, this will help clarify and avoid the great harm and disingenuous policy of "human dumping" that Haitian authorities have promoted/instigated by their dereliction of leadership in Haiti. Haitians should be proud of their nation and seek to have their new generations be counted as Haitians. It's the right thing and the only humane way out of this bitter policy scheme to avoid being counted as Haitian. Dr is not nor has it ever been a first world nation-state able to handle the great needs of the poorest member of the Western Hemisphere. The misery and lack of opportunities, the beggars and petty prostitution, etc., help create an atmosphere unbecoming of an aspiring Mega tourist destination. Yes, offer visas and work-permits for the thousands of needed and helpful Haitian workers; but understand that this does not in any way imply open-borders. DR is not the solution.

I understand that a new National Census is suppose to take place this Fall in DR. Is this true? If so, this would mark the beginning of a new and better understanding of what the true numbers are with respect to the on-going Haitian Problem. Basic stats are seldom found concerning the current state of things in DR, and the Haitian illegal population is but one of many such issues lacking good basic stats. So let's hope this issue is taken into account when the counting takes place. Again, I see no problem with many thousands of hard working Haitians making their daily bread in DR, many should continue to do so with only change being that each one should have a current workers permit document. What I'm asking for is some normalcy and modernization of this process. And from the Haitian State, a reasonable accounting and determination to give her people their birthright: Haitian Citizenship!

IF:

IF we can get the world community to live up to its promises of financial aid and

IF we can help Haiti to get its act together so the people aren't so anxious to leave and

IF We can improve our border surveillance and

IF we can generate the types of jobs that require the education that so few of our people have

Then we can resolve the problem.

well done ..at least the posting is related to the article ...

The heading of the article is inaccurate if the babies are born in Dominican territory they are by birth Dominicans not Hatians.

Rainman, not according to our Constitution and, it will remain that way, as a matter of fact the U.S Senate is contemplating to pass a similar law for the illegals living in the USA.

This is bad for DR,and a sad situation for these people. They don't even speak Spanish, and LF thinks he has everything under control.

...by the way, they don't need to know Spanish to spread their legs, just keep dumping babies.

by the time we really find out there's half of the total pop of DR being mud cookie eater or even worst !

DONT BE SILENT: I wasnt aware of what you point out regarding the DR constitution, regarding the US I find it very unlikely that the US will take similar position regarding people born in the country. I understand the dilema the DR has with hatian's migrating looking for a better life.

I think the answer is not deny citizenship to those born in DR's territory instead it should resolve at the border.

Rainman

I think the answer is not deny citizenship to those born in DR's territory instead it should resolve at the border.

Haitians have given up in fighting to make Haiti a better place and now how come to think coming to DR is their only solution to have a fair life. This frame of mind cannot be fought against by giving out citizenship to those crossing the border, if anything this is the perfect and cheapest policy money can have and still achieving the desire result. By the way DR is not denying citizenship to Haitians that do the right thing and come in legally only those come in illegally. This is not different any other punishment for breaking the law. i.e. if you steal you go to jail and loose your freedom and in this case you break DR immigration laws then your kid would not receive his birth certificate. This may sound weird to those who want the world to be a perfect harmony but is a policy based on facts and reality.

I still think controlling the border will be the right thing to do instead of leaving these children in a limbo by not having a birth certificate.

By the way, I was having a read at my local Barnes and Nobel store and was surprised to see an 8 page section, between pages 44 and 45, of Foreign Affairs Magazine September/October edition devoted to the Dominican Republic's role in helping Haiti after the Earthquake. Under the Title, Rebuilding Haiti, Strategic Media was paid to promote the many ways that DR and Leonel Fernandez have helped Haiti during the aftermath of the devastating event of Jan. 12. According to Jose M. Insulza, the secretary -general of the OAS, all Haitians 18 and over will receive a National ID card. In addition, his office will undertake to create for the first time ever a National Property register in Haiti. My only suggestions for Mr. Insulza is that he also make available National ID cards for those Haitians under the age of 18, as in birth certificates. That these be available to all children born on the island to Haitian parents. This would help alleviate the building tension on the island.

Se jodio la baina! Trucutu por un tubo y siete llaves.

The issue is economics. The money spent at these facilities could be better spent by improving the health care for poor dominican. god knows we need it. Haiti's problem are their own. we should not be blame for their incompetence.

the dominican law is like the spanish: if you are ilegal and have a baby in spain you have to declare the baby at your country consulate, when the father get legal then that baby also get legal and after 3 years being legally resident could apply for the citizenship. in spain they dont have the problem of the dr because the inmigration is multicultural while in the dr is only haitians which is a risk for the nation.

seal the border or begin the construction of the wall to keep the hatians out , if leo had any balls this project should of started years ago!. another idea here if haitian women continue this massive outa conttol birth rate we should explore the option of killing one and having 2 children limit rule for haitians.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

One island, two colonies.

Here is a perfect example of Dominican love.

They are Dominicans by birth not Hatians.

You know what the Bible says about Loving they Brother?????

Factor "Se jodio la baina! Trucutu por un tubo y siete llaves."


Digalo duro paisa que esto se jodio se no fue de las mano por esto malos govierno de los ultimo años. Es bien dificil governar nuestra isla al tener al lado de nosotros una clase de personas que no tienen el conocimiento de la palabra organizacion. Por la cual se requeriria un control de esas personas en nuestra parte de la isla. Daba gusto ver el Patriotismo que existia en tiempo atras. Muchas de esas personas hoy son declarada racista por nuestro enemigo. Yo estoy cansado de decir lo mismo aqui voy a buscar el email de Vincho Castillo para decirle lo mismo que no coja tanta lucha que deje que se hunda la isla, Coñaso.

the good the bad and the damn ugly !

This is unfair to Dominicans in general but even more so to poor Dominicans which is far and away the largest demographic group in terms of population. The claims of unmeritorious racism onto the Dominican Republic in general are also unfair. But then you have someone publicly call for the euthanization of innocent Haitain children with nary a scant, if any, repudiation from the masses for this savage bigotry. It is in those claims of delusional hatred that you will find a greater catalyst for the unfair attribution of Dominican racist tendencies than could ever be accomplished by N.G.O.'s or any other Haitian advocacy group.

born in hell we have removed your minuses.
your comments shoud endure so all decent human beings can read them.

Raiman

If Haiti was "intertwined" with us with blood, marriage as you stated why do they had been living since the beginning like animal. Trust me I WISH THEY WERE "intertwined” LIKE US because then they will not be a burden to our country and we wouldn't had that freaking Haitian’s problem around anymore.

Oh I thought there were gonna be pictures of babies nevermind. And not all haitians eat mud cookies it's people who are in really horrible and bad situations I wish I could help them.

"Written by: Rainman, 31 Aug 2010 10:42 AM
From: United States
It is amazing to see the open expressions of racism and discrimination in this forum. One can disagree with certain inmigration policies without having to belittle the hantians or any other group, speially since the two countries are you intertwined by blood, and marriage.

The same people referring to the hatian nationals as less than humans are the ones who complaint of the treatment received by the dominicans arriving in Puerto Rico or Europe who are not properly treated by the locals. Double morals ? maybe, you be the judge."

Rainman,

Don't judge Dominicans by what some say, judge them by their actions. Most reasonable Dominicans, by far the greater portion, have helped Haitians out in innumerable ways, especially since the terrifying event of Jan 12.

Certainly as in all nation-states, you will have haters, delusional individuals or small groups, but in the main Dominicans have played a critical role in helping Haitians out of an historical destitution seldom known throughout the Western World. Remember, Haiti was abandoned and treated awfully harsh by the French and the rising USA after their Independence from France. The DR paid the consequences as a result: invasions, subjugation and denial of institutional development as a nation-state. Today, Leonel Fernandez has taken a leading role in helping Haiti that is not without its harsh internal national counter arguments. He believes that the DR can not long endure IF the Haitian people continue to live in sub-human conditions on the eastern side of the island of Santo Dominigo. That all the advancement made and to come in DR will be jeopardize if Haiti continues to be a failed state and nation.

So Leonel Fernandez has taken the gambit with international support to help bring about positive change to Haiti. Of course, this is not without perils, and many oppositional voices against his great involvement given that the DR faces many internal developmental problems of its own. Electricity, sanitation, schooling, infrastructure, jobs, housing,etc., you name it and DR has a deficit still pending. So it's only natural that many Dominicans want the efforts and resources to be developed in DR and not in Haiti. That the Dominicans who go hungry and are ill-housed, poorly educated be in the front of the line, not have to compete with the far larger Haitian deficits in all facets of development. They reason that Leonel is the President of the DR not Haiti so why should he be burden with their historical failure as a State and Nation? All I can say is that Leonel and his international supporters need to increase the resources available so that poor Dominicans begin to see the

advantages of his Haitian policy. If Leonel fails to bring forward a respectful economic and social transformation in DR, then his Haitian Policy will likely fail as nationalistic pressures will force him or his successor to change radically his policy of mutual development. Hopefully, the international Community will step forward and provide the needed market access, the developmental funds and technical knowhow to integrate both nations in the world system of trade & development: the required growth in jobs, health, sanitation, housing, electricity, and all the other infrastructural requirements needed to institutionalize the modernization process in both Haiti and the DR. I think that the process has begun and that these players with market and capital riches need to step forward. For the sake of stability on this overpopulated island, a firm and doable commitment to modernity has to mature. If not, great pain and suffering awaits us all in the future.

Is it just really fun to make fun of haitians?

Vacanos i'm so pissed off. This unfair predicament with these people that don't seem to get it!. Signing out...

Double Post

Ata,

You are absolutely 100% correct with regard to the generosity and aid provided to Haitians by Domincans in the aftermath of the earthquake. Of course the great majority of Dominicans should be far and away removed from being labeled as racist. It is a shame that human nature being what it is allows for bigoted idiots to carry a bigger voice because of the attraction to sensationalism than the reasonable masses. Their is nothing wrong with implementing all laws to curtail illegal immigration but to openly suggest killing people with little opposition to that regard is embarassing and disgusting.

Are they being considered Dominican or Haitians?

http://www.HogsExposed.com

PatDiamond

Haiti's biggest problem started in 1986 with the rice farms and Balaguer gave Haiti the warning and they ignored him and now are paying the cost of it. Balaguer predicted that if Haiti lowered its import tax on rice that within 15 years Haiti was going to go through a food crisis yet nobody in Haiti was listening and now we see the results of it. The funny thing is most Haitians seem to like Leonel better than Balaguer. The problem is that Haitians politicians have never listened when Dominicans politician tell them something wrong is about to happen.

Like the all saying goes. "you can take a horse to the river but cannot make him drink water"

What the hell is that hog crap suppost 2 mean?

use this forum to criticize evryone and every thing.

slow down lets talk about bananas. in the 1st place us dominicans did not invent the banana. alexander the great found
them growing in india in 327 b.c.
and for info. for many in the dr "india" is the worlds largest producer of bananas.
so when the queen of soul hillary clinton is in the dr. lets show her the dominican traditions of hospitality. lets support our schools and teachers so the children are put on the right road on their way to menial occupations. and some with any luck traveling to strange lands to earn a living.

generoso is back ..while he was away the minus game was mercifully stopped ,,but now is ruining the site again

Written by: telemeco, 30 Aug 2010 7:25 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
DT is looking to spike up rating on these page

Written by: hellborn25, 31 Aug 2010 5:54 AM
From: United States
seal the border or begin the construction of the wall to keep the hatians out , if leo had any balls this project should of started years ago!. another idea here if haitian women continue this massive outa conttol birth rate we should explore the option of killing one and having 2 children limit rule for haitians.


TSK TSK TSK

Danny makes a good point; Many children are born in the USA of dominican women and they by birth receive the US citizenship.

To clarify I never said all dominicans are racist I referred to the open discrimination express by some in this forum.

Rainman

Danny makes a good point; Many children are born in the USA of dominican women and they by birth receive the US citizenship.
To clarify I never said all dominicans are racist I referred to the open discrimination express by some in this forum.

So whats you guys point. USA is an independent country and so is DR. Prostitution is legal in Panama but not in Colombia, Same sex marriage is legal in Argentina but not in USA. What makes you guys think that because something is legal in USA it must be legal in DR. Arrogance here has no limit does it?

For as long as there are people in this world that show no respect to other's peoples property there will always be this kinds of things happening.

Mutual respect would make this world a lot more peaceful than trying to force your way of life onto somebody else.

Written by: PatDiamond, 31 Aug 2010 3:24 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Atabey

While you are on a roll on the subject of Haiti, this might help you understand a complex issue( How the F%%^ck did we get here).

http://www.afaceaface.org/blog/?p=786


Thank you for the site. I read some articles. Will get back to you soon.

Yes Belly but the economic suitabilities between the DR and the US are very different . We can't afford more population then what we have in DR. We got our own immigration policies and the americans have there own different one as well.

Keep on dumping babies, you've got to make up for those who died.

Where's the fathers of these kids? would they learn christianity or voodoo from their parents?

Pat D, I read your link, and it mentioned that when Haiti became independent, they did not want a white God, so they embraced voodoo; could that be the reason why Haiti is been in such a path from the begining?
Please enlight me.

Belly I dont know what you read from my posts but I have never written anything suggesting that the DR should follow anthing other than its own laws.

I merely pointed out the following : The hatian problem is an inmigration one and it should be handled at the obrder first, keeping the newborn children from haitian mothers from receiving a birth certificate because they are born out of illegal mothers is hypocritical when so many domincan and other illegal mothers have children in the US and they receive the citizenship without questions.

I havent heard any of the racists here say that the dominican children born in the US should be treated diferently from any other US born citizen. Dominicans migrate to the US every day so we are all inmigrants lets treat each other as we want to be treated .

Haitians born in D.R. are Haitians, an illegal is an illegal punto. The Haitian constitution says likewise anyone born from a Haitian remains Haitian. So put a sock on it Rainman! Stop trying to drag us down, like you're people have done for so long!!! F**k off i'm pissed.

ElFactor am not dragging anyone down am pointing out that some here are racist towards hatians but given the chance they will become inmigrants themself looking for a better future.

And who are My people that have drag you down for so long?

@ Don't be Silent

Yeah we are 80% catholic 100% voodouisant for it was the faith that gave our forefathers the strength to carry on when they decided so long ago they rather be free in their graves than live as slaves. When you can explain to me where the concept of Christmas, heaven and hell, the devil even why is that Sunday your day of worship. We can discuss the superiority of your faith over mine. Please spare me the allegories and fables you have been told all of your life, the real story behind those beliefs and ideas is what I wish to hear from you ( the gate keepers of your faith knows the truth, I'm not sure if you do)

Side note -Godless Communist China is who is financing and keeping God fearing America off life support can you explain that one to me ? The Jews are the world smallest minority they do not believed in your savior yet have managed to be very prosperous can you explain that one to me too?

Oh wait so illegal immagrants kids aren't considered dominican because they're illegal but doesn't it still count cause they were born there?

Pat,


Youre a lot more patient then me. ElFactor study world religion and you will have a different outlook on religion as a whole. You believe what you choose to believe in. Youre (ahem) Taino ancestors didnt practice Christianity remember. Youre making comments for shock value just like this article.

According to actual dominican values Tainos where also devil worshippers because they had sorcerers and pledge allegance to cemies or spirits like some vodoouisant. They did'nt know jesus christ and were more civilized to the conquistadores in terms in human values..

But what makes me laugh ( I was in the DR 3 weeks ago) that I saw many dominicans visiting santeria priests and still they go to the church.

THE ONLY reason why Voodoo exists in HAITI is because many of their forefathers came from BENIN (ancient Dahomey) specially when this part of africa was highly touched by the slave trade in the 18th century.

Dominicans forefathers where mainly from the SENEGAMBIA and CONGO ( see Carlos Andujar " la presencia negra in santo domingo"), but still I saw palos ceremonies in la vega , near cabarete and in la romana... Remember guys the first slave revolts ocurred in santo domingo in 1522 and the rebels were gelofes (wolof) from senegal.

The great Sebastian Lemba was a congo, many african slaves bequeathed their african customs to their children in spanish domingo included religion practises . syncretism with the catholic religion occured.

Even dominican food is african, I was highly surprised when I saw molondrones or ocra in SD

But still The majority of Dominican people are generous so I think that this issue will be settled very soon.

Pat , if you think Christianity is a fable, there is nothing else to say I gues. The best trick the devil pull out was to make believe that he did not exist.
The Jews are the people of promise. China and every other non-Christian country has been succesful doe to a pattern of good dicipline of administration and most of all: the grace of God is for everybody, but His salvation only for those who want to believe.

Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 1 Sep 2010 9:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
Pat , if you think Christianity is a fable, there is nothing else to say I gues. The best trick the devil pull out was to make believe that he did not exist.
The Jews are the people of promise. China and every other non-Christian country has been succesful doe to a pattern of good dicipline of administration and most of all: the grace of God is for everybody, but His salvation only for those who want to believe.


RETARD!!! STUDY WORLD RELIGION AND IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE WORLD. IT MIGHT MAKE YOU APPRECIATE YOUR BELIEFS MORE. It will make you appreciate and respect other peoples beliefs.
anyone with a brain knows voodoo is practiced thruout the carribean/latin america/still has roots in AMerica. Open a book and educate yourself instead of throwing comments out there for shock value.

*reposting
As a 23 year old I have always noticed the demographic changes when I would visit la Isla annually throughout my childhood. The sad case is that we are being out-breeded. Both countries holding about ten million citizens on each side on a island with a limited number of resources. Please take into consideration that does not include the illegal Haitian immigrants that are currently in the Republic.

My brothers and sisters this is not about purifying but perserving.

Some of you can look in the mirror right now and ask yourselves
do you want to live in such land? Where your daughters are no
longer safe? Where law has no order? Everything behind metal
bars? More sexual deviance introduced into our youth culture?

Stand up Dominican brother!
The time has come.

P.S: to you all you liberal commie self hating Dominicans this is not about hate but pride something you all lack. And for all the Haitian comrades don't blame anyone but yourselves.

hispaniola


you make an exellent point and i agree with u 100%

but unfortunately some people here don't understand the fact that " no hay cama pa tanta gente "
the liberal douchebag will say you're a racist pig and the afro-lambon will say is all about economics.

but people in the middle like you and me knows that if this massive invasion continues to go unchecked the whole island will become a wasteland just like haiti.

Oh ostrini wow you have me laughing with that AfroLambon. I couldn't agree anymore. It's not fair to all different types of Dominicans that they must go extinct due to lack of a racialist views. Awake my brother the time has come!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AEGlVs5cGHo

Prepare yourselves! When all that foreign aid stops. Ai chi chi