New York.- President Leonel Fernandez affirmed yesterday that despite the Dominican economy’s growth rates in the last few years, his nation has few probabilities of reducing poverty by 50 percent in the next five years.
The chief executive, speaking before the United Nations Summit on the Millennium Development Goals, attributed the difficulty to meet its objective to unexpected, internal and external circumstances, and in first place cited the 2003 internal financial crisis, in which three major banks failed. “As a result of that crisis the economy decreased -0.3%; the currency devaluated more than 100%; inflation burst in a concerning manner and the unemployment rate went from 13% to 19%."
He said in that context, poverty, instead of falling, increased, and that it wasn’t until 2005 when the national economy again began to revive and the social indices also began to improve.
Fernandez affirmed that since the beginning of the 90s, or the reference date that has been applied to establish the Millennium Development Goals assumed by 189 countries in 2000, the Dominican population jumped 35%, from 7.2 million in 1990, to the current 9.7 million. "The gross domestic product rose approximately by 123 billion pesos -that is to say, 22 billion dollars- to 342 billion pesos, equal to 50 billion dollars."
Another factor that conspired against the Goals, according to Fernandez, was the global financial and economic crisis unleashed at the end of 2007, still latent, as a result of the slow and still fragile growth of the world’s economy. "In short, ladies and gentlemen, as can be observed, there hasn’t been a lack of political will, as planning or responsibility has lacked either, what will determine that the Dominican Republic cannot obtain some Goals of the Millennium as had been anticipated for 2015."
Written by: juanb, 22 Sep 2010 7:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What a crock.
"There hasn’t been a lack of political will." That is a lie.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
He forgot to mention endemic corruption, institutionalized stealing, ridiculous public payroll, outrageous salaries and perks to politikeros and officials, the subsidies of fuel and electrical sectors,the party cronies paid money for nothing, and the absence of leadership to address the problems.
I hope some guy in there reads the Dominican papers and can figure out what is really happening.
From: United States
LF you pin head !
You and your band of thieves do EVERYTHING to keep your public uneducated and poor.
You obviously do not know what 'will' means, you empty suited morons.
Cronyism, pathological corruption, entitlement mentality.. Those will keep you from EVER reaching that goal.
From: United States
This is all a lie by Leonel. His failed system is because the politicians take all the money for them selves. These Domincian politicians are the highest paid in the world.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 9:59 AM
From: United States, NYC
I gather from all this that many of you guys believe a) the bank failures of 2003-4 had no effect on DR performance; b) the downturn in the world economy after 2007 had no effect on the DR economy; c) the tragic discombobulation, man-made and nature induced, of our neighbor to the west, Haiti, had no negative effects on DR performance in reducing poverty, etc? Corruption and anti-business practices have influenced the performance. These are, however, secondary causal effects.
From: United States
Atabey
No we were smart enough to know it did, but Dominicans cannot be embarrassed by anything they say so they (LF included) said everything was fine. They should be impeached just for stupidity.
Yesterday it was "2010 is year of Dominican Republic’s recovery, economists say"
Today we have "Icon Dominican resort city woes its demise"
You cannot believe a thing that comes out of their pathologically corrupt mouths.
Written by: juanb, 22 Sep 2010 10:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey:
The government has shown Zero will to reduce the problems that they inherited, and yes, they were substantial. Obama is deemed a failure (although not by me) because he did not undo the incredible damage done by 8 years of Bush. How, then, are we to judge LF 6 years after inheriting some problems and doing nothing about them. Primary education? We are among the worst in the world. Competitiveness? We are among the worst in the world. Government corruption? We are among the worst in the world. Surely after 6 years there should be some glimmer of hope in any of these categories. But no, these things remain as they were.
P.S. No, I didn't call you Shirley.
From: United States
they are NOT secondary, Atabey. they are the causes, in case you do not understand how economies work. Resources are PASSIVE ASSETS. HUMAN CAPITAL IS WHAT TRANSFORMS RESOURCES INTO WEALTH.. the horrendous corruption, coupled with the cronyism neoptism, political paybacks, and all such dysfunctions in the productive area are what have kept the country back. countries like Korea have come from being a bombed out crater in the ground , to economic powerhouse, with far less natural resources than the DR has. you cannot place bungling incompetents in sensitive positions and expect an economy and society to function. time to institute civil service exams, and the submission of resumes for jobs. it is easy to blame Haiti for the malaise and inertia, but the blame lies right here, with the drones who run the country
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 11:36 AM
From: United States, NYC
One at a time. First my tocayo and fellow Santiaguero, Juanb.
I've never denied that greater resources are needed in education. In fact, I've often suggested that DR follow along the path of Costa Rica, a small nation that has gotten it right in reference to education, among other things. Second, the substantial harm done the fiscal and monetary stability of the nation caused by the irresponsibility of the Hippo Administration was hugely detrimental to the economy of the DR. The nature and scale of the bank debacle hindered DR's economy during a very difficult period in the world: the post 9/11 event. Just when the DR should have shown stability, its economy was in shambles. LF was left with the necessary but difficult chore of re-establishing fiscal and monetary stability to the national economy. Again, you have noted that "the problems that they inherited, and yes, they were substantial." But you don't go into how and what set of policies LF was forced to adhere to by the
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 11:38 AM
From: United States, NYC
international banking and financial community. LF had to restart the process that underlays the Washington Consensus in DR. And this unfortunately for DR delayed the positive momentum of the economy. It increased the poverty levels and decreased the investments that should have gone into both the social programs and other important infrastructural programs he wanted to achieve. You say that Fernandez has done "Zero" to reduce the substantial problems he inherited. I think you exaggerate by a mile. While I agree with you that educational opportunities need to increase, and by a factor of perhaps 5 to 6 times! I believe DR spends a tragic 2% of the national budget! The most important engine for DR greater prosperity is jump-starting the economy. And for this to have taken place when he returned to office, fiscal and monetary stability were and are the keys to the long run stability of the national economy.
Written by: JCjua, 22 Sep 2010 11:46 AM
From: United States, New York
My common sense is to measure advancement in a country by the benchmarks already established: GDP, unemployment, freedom, education (maybe a few other).
The political party is making the decisions of what, where and how the country accomplishes its goals.
Hence the failure of the country is the failure of the political will.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 11:55 AM
From: United States, NYC
Juanb,
Yes, I agree that there have been many corrupt politicos in his government, and it would have been better for him to have removed some in a more forceful and disdainful fashion, leaving behind no doubt where he stood against corruption in his administration. Symbolism is needed in politics. But again, there are many interests in a nation, even one of relatively small size such as ours, and at 10 million, perhaps I error in considering it so small. Any President has to deal with time constraints and where to concentrate his time in office. Fight corruption in the police, in all sectors of society and expend all your time and energy to combat drugs traffickers at the expense of pushing the modernization agenda? Presidents like everyone else have to pick and choose what battles are worth expending valuable resources on, which ones can be sustained at low intensity while more important ones, fiscal and monetary health are regained. It's all a balancing act. To be honest its
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 12:04 PM
From: United States, NYC
not without its ups and downs; and sometimes things appear to be undergoing a reversal from previously tolerable levels of the problem: drugs and corruption. But I hold a wait and see stance with respects to LF's attempt at getting DR into a more fiscally sound and deeper modernization phase of development. I know you and some of the others on DT don't think he's worth it anymore. But as the Collor de Mello and Cardoso Administrations provided for the fiscal and monetary painful adjustments that underlined the explosive growth that was to come in the first decade of the new century in Brazil, so too might we look back in the future and see that LF was fundamental in establishing the conditions for the future expansion of the DR. That the greater resources dedicated to social problems, education, sanitation, etc., derive from the painful adjustments made possible during his time in office. That's how I see things hopefully developing.
From: Spain
With the economy slow every where you have to say that the serious question of corruption has and will damage the growth, for such a small country and so much to do to better the poverty situation the way forward is education and Leonel is doing a good job,taking over from hipolito saved the place as you can remember the peso was at 60 for dollar and now 37 not so bad ,affects turism a little, but look at what been done ,new water purifing systems ,new roads,new energy systems done by private money huge super stores ikea,thousands upon thousands of new jobs,this is the way forward,yes there is corruption and always will,but its part of the progress forward,dont forget its a new country still struggling to be self sufficient,one need to be positive and think ahead think for the future ,unbelivable strong willing and affectionate people .long live RD,hope Leonel hand over to sombody as equal or so open minded, We need this process forward,
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 12:15 PM
From: United States, NYC
Now to Dread,
Oh Dread, once again. You mention Korea, I gather this is meant to be South Korea. ABC200 and others might get offended; a stickers for details and all, you know man. Anyway, I don't know if you followed our discussion about corruption and economic growth a few months ago in the Forum, but had you been paying attention and read some of the academic literature on the matter, corruption correlates with economic growth. What is that, you say? Yes, believe it or not economies like South Korea's, India's, China's, Vietnam's, and others have shown a marked positive economic momentum at the same time they have had to deal with massive corruption and the like. Economic liberalization and market operations let loose all sorts of economic players, and in their haste to make money, many "social services" and black market operations open up and expand. Please do yourself a favor and check out the literature on the matter, and you can save time by going to the Forum post.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 12:26 PM
From: United States, NYC
"time to institute civil service exams, and the submission of resumes for jobs. [i]t is easy to blame Haiti for the malaise and inertia, but the blame lies right here, with the drones who run the country." Dread.
I totally agree with you on the first part. LF should establish these conditions. 100% on board with you on those two points. Having competent people in the system, while not sufficient is a necessary condition for the deepening of the modernization process. As for Haiti, this is one very powerful externality that DR has to deal with and I don't think it beyond proper discussion. I say it without any hint of racism or chauvinistic inclinations. The facts are plain for all to see, perhaps Juanb can tell us more about what 's happening in Santiago these days on this score. Just last night I was reading about a new set of UN measures regarding education and of course DR did not have good numbers, but Haiti's made the DR look like an advanced nation-state!
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 12:29 PM
From: United States, NYC
So my point stands unless you can express with competent analysis otherwise. DR's numbers reflect in part the effects of these migratory streams; the well educated Haitians go to Canada or the US, and DR get's the majority of the poorly educated outflow from Haiti. Hopefully the investments will come and in greater amounts so that Haiti can right its ship and give her people a better future. A prosperous Haiti is DR's greatest foreign policy asset because it will ensure less illegal migratory flows from west to east, and serve as a large market full of opportunities for both nations into the future.
Over to you Dread.
Written by: Lopez31, 22 Sep 2010 1:00 PM
From: United States
I will vote for Leonel 100 times over any other
Written by: ateo2010 
, 22 Sep 2010 3:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
offcourse Lopez now you are a reasonable person unlike many in here who see LF as "treat", they are so delusional and blind.
From: United States
Atabey,
You must be well paid to write the way you do. It reminds me of Ricardolito.
From: United States
they could very well be the same guy
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 8:22 PM
From: United States, NYC
Well, JimHarrington I've saved my money and got lucky with real estate. No PLD or PRD or any other voice. As for being Ricardolito, I'm afraid Dread will have to deal with several of us then. I try to keep Dread well balanced and honest as he's prone to very negative viewpoints. Just check out his 'magic-8 Ball" on POP. Stick a fork in it, no future possible, finito! So saith the all knowing Dread. Well, I don't buy into all that negativity. In fact, Dread himself offered a good possible alternative for the POP situation in his Surgycation scheme.
Dread and I see things differently; don't know if it's a generational thing, it might be. I still am climbing the mountain, Dread might be looking down hill. But whatever the general outlook disposition of each, I harbor no personal animus towards him. Just like to read a lot and have a habit of keeping 15 windows open at the ready for his replies. So he knows that he needs to be on his toes when he pulls out his magic 8-ball.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 8:35 PM
From: United States, NYC
Good article on the Millennium Development Goals,
http://www.spiegel.de/ Go to English
The World from Berlin
Merkel's Backpedaling on Aid Is 'Cynicism, Pure and Simple'
On Tuesday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told world leaders gathered at the UN in New York that the Millennium Development Goals would not be met and that recipient nations must be more efficient in their use of the aid they get. In Germany, some commentators found her new stance cynical, while others welcomed it.
All the data is listed.
From: United States
i harbor no personal animus to you either, Atabey. i dont even know you. what i do know is that you are in no position to speak about being balanced, because what i know about economics comes from several years in college, grad school, and the World Bank Institute. you get your info from op ed pieces in wikipedia. so, we see things differently. it is not generational. it is a matter of foundation and basics.
Written by: Atabey, 24 Sep 2010 5:44 PM
From: United States, NYC
We disagree Dread. Let's put forth our points and agree to disagree when we are on opposite sides. But the substance must and should be on the merits of the point, not opinions. That's why we need to consult experts in the field or subject matter.
What a crock.
"There hasn’t been a lack of political will." That is a lie.
I hope some guy in there reads the Dominican papers and can figure out what is really happening.
LF you pin head !
You and your band of thieves do EVERYTHING to keep your public uneducated and poor.
You obviously do not know what 'will' means, you empty suited morons.
Cronyism, pathological corruption, entitlement mentality.. Those will keep you from EVER reaching that goal.
Atabey
No we were smart enough to know it did, but Dominicans cannot be embarrassed by anything they say so they (LF included) said everything was fine. They should be impeached just for stupidity.
Yesterday it was "2010 is year of Dominican Republic’s recovery, economists say"
Today we have "Icon Dominican resort city woes its demise"
You cannot believe a thing that comes out of their pathologically corrupt mouths.
The government has shown Zero will to reduce the problems that they inherited, and yes, they were substantial. Obama is deemed a failure (although not by me) because he did not undo the incredible damage done by 8 years of Bush. How, then, are we to judge LF 6 years after inheriting some problems and doing nothing about them. Primary education? We are among the worst in the world. Competitiveness? We are among the worst in the world. Government corruption? We are among the worst in the world. Surely after 6 years there should be some glimmer of hope in any of these categories. But no, these things remain as they were.
P.S. No, I didn't call you Shirley.
I've never denied that greater resources are needed in education. In fact, I've often suggested that DR follow along the path of Costa Rica, a small nation that has gotten it right in reference to education, among other things. Second, the substantial harm done the fiscal and monetary stability of the nation caused by the irresponsibility of the Hippo Administration was hugely detrimental to the economy of the DR. The nature and scale of the bank debacle hindered DR's economy during a very difficult period in the world: the post 9/11 event. Just when the DR should have shown stability, its economy was in shambles. LF was left with the necessary but difficult chore of re-establishing fiscal and monetary stability to the national economy. Again, you have noted that "the problems that they inherited, and yes, they were substantial." But you don't go into how and what set of policies LF was forced to adhere to by the
My common sense is to measure advancement in a country by the benchmarks already established: GDP, unemployment, freedom, education (maybe a few other).
The political party is making the decisions of what, where and how the country accomplishes its goals.
Hence the failure of the country is the failure of the political will.
Yes, I agree that there have been many corrupt politicos in his government, and it would have been better for him to have removed some in a more forceful and disdainful fashion, leaving behind no doubt where he stood against corruption in his administration. Symbolism is needed in politics. But again, there are many interests in a nation, even one of relatively small size such as ours, and at 10 million, perhaps I error in considering it so small. Any President has to deal with time constraints and where to concentrate his time in office. Fight corruption in the police, in all sectors of society and expend all your time and energy to combat drugs traffickers at the expense of pushing the modernization agenda? Presidents like everyone else have to pick and choose what battles are worth expending valuable resources on, which ones can be sustained at low intensity while more important ones, fiscal and monetary health are regained. It's all a balancing act. To be honest its
Oh Dread, once again. You mention Korea, I gather this is meant to be South Korea. ABC200 and others might get offended; a stickers for details and all, you know man. Anyway, I don't know if you followed our discussion about corruption and economic growth a few months ago in the Forum, but had you been paying attention and read some of the academic literature on the matter, corruption correlates with economic growth. What is that, you say? Yes, believe it or not economies like South Korea's, India's, China's, Vietnam's, and others have shown a marked positive economic momentum at the same time they have had to deal with massive corruption and the like. Economic liberalization and market operations let loose all sorts of economic players, and in their haste to make money, many "social services" and black market operations open up and expand. Please do yourself a favor and check out the literature on the matter, and you can save time by going to the Forum post.
I totally agree with you on the first part. LF should establish these conditions. 100% on board with you on those two points. Having competent people in the system, while not sufficient is a necessary condition for the deepening of the modernization process. As for Haiti, this is one very powerful externality that DR has to deal with and I don't think it beyond proper discussion. I say it without any hint of racism or chauvinistic inclinations. The facts are plain for all to see, perhaps Juanb can tell us more about what 's happening in Santiago these days on this score. Just last night I was reading about a new set of UN measures regarding education and of course DR did not have good numbers, but Haiti's made the DR look like an advanced nation-state!
Over to you Dread.
You must be well paid to write the way you do. It reminds me of Ricardolito.
Dread and I see things differently; don't know if it's a generational thing, it might be. I still am climbing the mountain, Dread might be looking down hill. But whatever the general outlook disposition of each, I harbor no personal animus towards him. Just like to read a lot and have a habit of keeping 15 windows open at the ready for his replies. So he knows that he needs to be on his toes when he pulls out his magic 8-ball.
http://www.spiegel.de/
Go to English
The World from Berlin
Merkel's Backpedaling on Aid Is 'Cynicism, Pure and Simple'
On Tuesday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told world leaders gathered at the UN in New York that the Millennium Development Goals would not be met and that recipient nations must be more efficient in their use of the aid they get. In Germany, some commentators found her new stance cynical, while others welcomed it.
All the data is listed.