From: United States
Help IS needed, vigilante 'justice' is NOT needed. More reports should be done, documentation, videos, photos, interviews etc. Then that information needs to be put in the RIGHT hands, the International Community needs to be informed. But neighborhoods rising up to forcefully remove Haitians is NOT the way to go. That will only cause more problems, and contentions. I really hope that people don't let patriotic emotions blind them to more reasonable and rational thought. When things are sufficiently documented then people can 'see' what is really happening, how it is negatively affecting Dominicans, how is it negatively affecting Haitians, then the right steps can be taken.
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 8:43 AM
From: United States, Miami
These are patriotas! Dominicans love freedom and Haiti goes from bad to worse. Their is still rubble, bodies under the rubble, the palace is in RUINS, this is not a country it's a disaster! To top it all off Duvalier is back!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 8:46 AM
From: United States, Miami
Stop throwing your problems on us Bernard Jean Pierre. You Haitians want the whe island to look like that disaster named Haiti. These people are fed up by Dominican-Haitian gangsters who are driving both nations to ruination.
From: Dominican Republic
Estan repatriaciones son una minuscula parte de los cientos de miles (cerca de 800,000) que han entrando ilegales en los ultimos tiempos, EEUU amenaza con sanciones por la inmigracion y trata de niños haitianos, dicho sea de paso hay muchos norteamericanos en eso, vimos como atraparon y descargaron en Haiti, el pais ofendido, pero nos exigen que sancionemos nosotros, si paramos la inmigracion y deportamos somos racista, pero somo responsablñes si trafican con niños, cosas que son malas e ilegales, entendemos que lo primero es hacer que cese el trafico, ese argumento se debe aprovechar para cerrar la frontera, la cual se puede controlar bien, porque los caminos son controlados militarmente, solo que hay que sancionar a los militares corruptos que permiten el paso, a los que los transportan se deben enviar a prision y confiscarles sus vehiculos, a los que contraten ilegales multarle y denunciarles y si reinciden cerrarle sus negocio, y se acaba el problema de ilegales
Written by: matador, 17 Jan 2011 8:58 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
This is a good process by the Dominican people, and a shame of the goverment who suppost to be taking care of that problem, But no matter how many they can kick out, the Guard at the Frontera are the real problem who keep letting them in.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Santiago is a time bomb and it is going to get worse. If the Govt does not round them up and SEND THEM BACK FAST I believe the Haitians are in danger. I do not sanction this action. I simply say it is inevitable. The moradores in the barrios are fed up. It is out of control. I do not agree that all the illegals are here because of bribes. Those accusations are made by many who have not seen La Frontera. True there are weaknesses in the border. The DR military is not big enough to protect the border by itself. Forget the UN. It is a joke. We need a solution and FAST. Yes, there is corruption. Name a country where there is not corrujption!! Especially in 2011. The USA is in trouble. The USA deported over 3000 Dominicans under Obama in 2010 and in total more than 160,000 from alll over the world. Many of those do not know DR at all and have no ties to out country other than having been born here. It is designed to increase our problems. The US wants to sink the whole islan
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
In POP, you can throw a rock in any vacant lot and dozens of them will start running.
Every ayuntamiento should have a few camionas.
To repatriate 1,000,000, it's 3,000 a day! Not counting with those coming back.
The Government should leave that to free enterprise. At RD$500 per, a truckload il well worth it.
From: Canada
Walterpolo,
Why don't you stop spreading your hate of these people, yes, they are people and you need to check yourself, punk!
From: Canada
Matador,
This is a shameful process. The dominican government should not allow its people to bypass the legal process and the executive branch of the law! Pure chaos - I won't visit the dr anytime soon.
Yes, the frontera guards are as much to blame as the illegal Haitians - both are breaking the law. One group out of necessity, one group for greed!
Written by: xfactor, 17 Jan 2011 12:18 PM
From: United States
Montreal_Reggie, it is very easy to point the finger from your comfortable couch/desk. I don't understand how someone that is not living the problem day in and day out feels the entitlement to opine and criticize others.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Basta. When did you ever see a General doing anything? Do you know the frontera? I think not.
From: Canada
XFactor,
It should be easy for you to understand how I can criticize, since you started it. You and the other ego maniacs on this thread started the process of criticism. Your criticism has led to racial splurs towards these very poor people who have run to your community to find a better life. I am not saying that it is legal, but I am saying that it is no reason for you or the others on this thread to hate them. Vitriol starts with criticism.
From: Canada
Love, Love, Love - Peace, Peace, Peace
Please sing along...
Haiti Love, Dominican Peace, Brotherhood, Love, Love
Rice and Beans - they both love it... Grilled Pork - they both share it
By the border, they are tied...... Peace, Peace, Peace....
Written by: xfactor, 17 Jan 2011 12:53 PM
From: United States
There you go again. How have I expressed hate towards any Haitian? You don't know, right? That's because I have never expressed hate towards a Haitian.
I have't seen the "racial splurs" you refer to on any of these comments. Can you point any out?
I can't stand when people with an outside view try to preach compassion at the expense of the Dominican communities, especially when they themselves do not do squat to help out.
For the record, I'm both American and Dominican. I have two points of view as an insider and an outsider.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 1:03 PM
From: United States, NYC
Anna Szterenfeld, a contributor to Michel Wucker's dominican web-forum:
"Once again, we are starting to see media reports and outcrys against
the deportation of Haitians from the Dominican Republic. I am thoroughly
in agreement that the rights of Haitians need to be protected, and that
all nations should do more to help Haiti as it continues to struggle in
the aftermath of the earthquake. However, some of the media coverage and
statements by human rights groups seem to imply that the Dominican
Republic is indiscriminately deporting Haitians and that it has done
little to help the refugees and its neighboring country.
There is little mention of the fact that few if any countries, relative
to their size and resources, have done as much as the DR to help Haiti.
It was the first responder after the quake, was the staging ground for
rescue efforts, and has provided donations, manpower and equipment of
its own. More than anything, it is where thousands if not tens of
tho
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 1:05 PM
From: United States, NYC
thousands of Haitians have fled to get medical attention and to escape
the disaster. This comes on top of the one million Haitians estimated
to live there before the quake. The DR has limits in terms of how many
Haitians it can absorb.
The Dominican government needs to revamp its own immigration policies,
and indiscriminate deportation is not the answer to the problem.
However, in the absence of concrete recovery in Haiti and with pledged
reconstruction assistance failing to arrive from abroad, the Dominican
Republic cannot afford to continue to take in more refugees. Political
and social pressure seems to be building up in the country to begin to
repatriate some of the undocumented Haitians that have arrived since the
quake.
More pressure should be put on international agencies and donors to
speed up what has been a dismally slow reconstruction process in Haiti.
This is the real problem. Can the Dominican Republic do more than it
has already done?"
Enough Said
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 1:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Montreal. I agree with you so come do something unite the hatians and have them build and take care of the children instead of exploiting them. Stop acting like termites and learn to grow and not just destroy. We in DR we learn plant and use our resources and are independent. blame DR for all your problems. ok fellow hatians get together and demand a DR and US effort on deportation for we can't stop.all the abuse Haiti is suffering in DR
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Montreal so come and adopt some hatians then peace love peace
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 1:15 PM
From: United States, NYC
As I've stated before, a small contribution from 40 nations or so would drive this problem out of existence within 10 years time.
40 countries to provide 10,000 VISAS per year for 10 years.
40 x 10,000= 400,000 per year.
400,000 x 10= 4, 000,000 in 10 years.
Haiti's population would go from 10, 000,000 to 6,000,000 or lower! in 10 years time.
The Goal should be a 5 million or lower populated Haiti. As this population density would allow for the resuscitation of the ecological balance of the western part of the island. A massive Green Project to get back to 25% Forrest coverage and a wealth of other sustainable green projects would help. Of course, creating a Pro-business, export friendly economy should be the driving force.
BTW, France could arrange to help this process along by organizing with other French speaking community nations in the Francophone world a process of granting Haitians Visas within the zone; Senegal's offer should be accepted and Guyana, which
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 1:16 PM
From: United States, NYC
is 25% Haitian BTW, would be an excellent area in which France could start to make amends to her looooooonnnng suffering former colonial possession: Haiti. French Guyana has a small population density something like 200,000 people for an area larger than the entire island of Hispaniola. Certainty a visa policy that took in say 25,000 Haitians per year over say 20 years would create a second Haiti. But given the great debt owed to Haitians by the French people and government, what exactly are we concerned with here? If some Guyanese don't like the idea, they can leave and go to France. 25% of the population is of Haitian origins so the process would be far more welcoming than anywhere else one could think of outside of Haiti herself. Begin the process and see how quickly this situation is cleared up within 10 years time.
From: Canada
vegano,
We will follow your lead (because I believe that you have the potential to be a great champion for humanity) when you stop making separation the foundation of your campaign. The Almighty made Haiti and the Dominican Republic to be conjoined twins and each one should nourish the other. You cannot cut the islands in two, the Almighty did not give you the power to do this. You will be blessed by the Almighty when you reject your own wickedness and turn towards everlasting peace, acceptance, and love. Then, you will live up to the potential that I know you possess.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 1:23 PM
From: United States, NYC
The Almighty has nothing to do here. It's Caesar's domain!
Written by: xfactor, 17 Jan 2011 1:27 PM
From: United States
The "Almighty" brought thousands of African slaves to Western part of the island to suffer? NOT!
The FRENCH did.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Montreal. U taking the easy way out like the americans do. Instead come adopt haitians educate them and see if they would go back and help haitians left behind . Lol
Written by: xfactor, 17 Jan 2011 1:33 PM
From: United States
Vegano, he's just worried he won't find anymore underage Haitian Sankipankis when he visits the DR after the repratiations currently going on. The sad thing is he still might be able to find some after it's all said and done.
From: Canada
Why not dedicate five or six large sections of land in the Dominican Republic where the poor immigrants can live. Access to clean water, sanitation, tent hospitals, and basic schools. This form of 'reservation' grouping will allow Dominicans to control the crimes and diseases that you say are being contributed by these people. There is so much wasted land in the Dom Rep. Prepare small reservations for the Haitian immigrants. Let them have enough of this wasted land to grow their food and raise their livestock. This will allow for the proper documentation of these people. They will be off your streets. Allow them access to local markets to sell their produce or require them to sell their produce directly to a common distributor at fair prices. They will keep coming back to the DR illegally unless you embrace a more logistical, organized approach. Peace and Love..
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Hey Montreal Reggie?
What fluckin' cloud are you sitting on, man?
Do you live here? Or in Montreal?
If you live here, go take a walk at night in the underslums areas. Wear nice sneakers and why not, a gold chain. Watch what happens.
You live in Montreal, then go take a walk at night in Montreal-Nord near the parks or in Côte-des-Neiges with the same attire. Watch what happens.
Then you talk to me about peace and love.
Unless you're one of them yourself, got lucky and mangaste una visa??
From: Canada
Atabey,
Be a champion for the Almighty and not the devil. The Almighty is still around and Caesar and his empire are still decaying in the worm infested abyss.
Love my Brother, Love
From: United States
Wow , alot of insane people on here, is like forcing Dominicans to take something or someone they don't want. The same way drug dealers work on the streets forcing everyone to buy their drugs.
From: Canada
You send your hardcore criminals to jail. Jail is a place where you group these individuals. The majority of Haitian illegals really do not qualify as hardcore criminals. They are starving people who need a handout and a hand up. Allow them to live on reservations that are protected and nourish their development. Treating these people like hardcore criminals or animals is unjust because the punishment does not fit the crime. Peace, Love, Peace, Love - anyway you put it, it is beautiful and with the small amount of time we all have here on this earth, let us try to set an example for our children of brotherhood and comradery. Forgive and you will be Forgiven... Love and you will be Loved, Be a champion for Peace and Peace will always be a part of your life...
From: Canada
Dutch,
I say love and peace, and you say insane. Why is love and peace insane? Has it been so long that you have not felt the powers of one or both? Has this problem desensitized you to your brother? Your conjoined twin. Try to free yourself from the chains of bondage with the keys of love and peace and you will find a new perspective, one that embraces humanity.
Written by: bayman46, 17 Jan 2011 2:02 PM
From: United States
My god, is there any Hope,Peace are Love for the Haitian People anymore. They have been through so much in the last 2 year's and now thier Neighboring Dominican's Brothers and Sisters or THREATENING TO THROW THEM OUT OF D.R. There is something very troubleing about this picture.
* THERE IS A SAYING. BE CAREFUL HOW YOU TREAT OTHER'S, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE TO WALK IN THERE SAME SHOE'S SO DAY.
. I think it's sad when 2 countries share the same Island and there is no getting alone. I believe (Montreal Reggie & Bernard JeanPierre) comments struck the right cord..
From: Canada
Yes, the French devils (not all French people) enslaved the Haitians and the devils that reside in the DR (not all Dominicans) are trying to cast them away like some refuse. You should love your conjoined twin and have more tolerance. The Almighty did not give us all of the answers to all of the problems of the world, but he gave us something far more important. He gave us each other. You have a choice and I have a choice. Your choice can be for good or for evil. You choose for you and I will choose for me. I choose to respect the goodness and the righteousness expressed by the Almighty as the correct path. Love.
From: United States
Bro, i do not have any problem with nobody, I hope the best for Haiti. I want people like you to stop your bullshit preaching, DR is not the solution for Haiti faults. Do me a favor, preach to Haiti to stop having so many kids.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dutch the funny thing haitians have kids sends them to DR to beg and we get penalized
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 2:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fellow haitians and everyone else that wants to make DR responsible for Haiti problems stop criticisms and step up and adopt
From: Canada
Trust me my brother Dutch, my convictions are not bullshit. They are exactly what the doctor ordered. The sickness has a cure and the cure is love. The cure is Peace. The cure is brotherhood. The cure is tolerance. The cure is you (if you dare to embrace it) and the cure is me.
What can you really control? The weather? Your health? The health of your family? Your happiness? What tomorrow will bring?
If you bring 'positivity' to the little that you can control, the Almighty will bring 'positivity' to what you cannot control.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Who were the first to help Haiti during the earthquake if DR would have not reacted many more haitians would have died. Now who is donating a 30million university to Haiti the US? I think not the DR are, so please u can only ask so much from we DR is only a 3rd world country also.
From: Dominican Republic
dear montreal -reggie
Lamento no poder expresarme bien en ingles, pero es muy comodo opinar y dar soluciones a larga distancia, poeque Canada, que es un gran pais, casi despoblado, no le ofrece un territorio para los pobres haitianos, nosotros los dominicanos no somos afines en casi nada con los hermanos haitianos, no hablamos su idioma, ni con su religion y menos con sus costumbres, puesto que una parte de Canada habla frances, creo que seria la solucion a ese problema y habria Peace and love, recoradr que no somos los dominicanos los responsabels de la desgracias haitiana y que fuimos los primeros en dar apoyo despues y antes del terremoto, las potencias, incluyendo Canada solo se oyen por medio de retorica, nada de ayuda real y verdadera.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2011 2:54 PM
From: United States, NYC
DutchMasters,
You're on point. So many foreigners just don't get it!! It's a shame. Canada has a population of 34 million people. Can you imagine what Canadians would say if 3.5 million desperately poor people moved into their communities? Carrying with them all the customs and survival patterns ingrained from living in that inferno they are fleeing! The streets filled with pan-pushers, little children in drags, men and women doing petty stealing? And some even more serious crime, as the neighbor's jails were destroyed and thousands of hardcore criminals were among the 3.5 million fleeing migrants? The outcry would not have gone unnoticed by the central government!
Think Montreal_reggie before you post!!
From: Canada
The solution is to stop trying to send the Haitians back to Haiti, where there is no help for them. There are solutions but this one has not worked and I doubt that it will. Should some Dominicans be blamed for a lack of oversight? Yes. This problem is vintage like a Chateau-Lafite Rothschild wine. Why has nothing been done to improve this situation - something sustaining, something humane, something mutual and mutually benefitting? In life or anything relative, 'if you are not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem'. We have all heard this saying. How true is it to you?
From: Canada
vegano,
My brother, that is why I will never say 'all' Dominicans because I am aware of the great contributions made by good hearted dominicans. They will be blessed, greatly. The world is round and 'what goes around, comes around'.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 3:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Montreal bless your soul my brother I love your way of thought since Canada is so big why don't u talk to Canadian government and request to have a portion of the land donated to the haitians it will be a perfect fit Canada speaks french and haitians speak French perfect match made in heaven
From: Canada
Atabey,
Peace my brother. I realize that you do not accept some of my ideas and I sense the frustration from your postings. It has never been a part of my nature to boast superiority for anything. I may not have the best answer to this crisis in your country but I have a sure insight to the answer as it regards repatriations. The proof is in the pudding and repatriations have not worked. It is an easy, happy-go-lucky approach but it has not been successful - therefore, a fallacy in concept and a travesty in execution. I do not particularly agree with issuing visas for the Haitian illegals as a solution but it is a recommendation that deserves further examination. The point is, let us try to find a sustainable, mutually beneficial solution that will endure for both nations. You are conjoined twins. I may have a little more experience working with these kinds of twins since I am a medical resident (orthopedic surgery) at Montreal General Hospital (MGH).
From: Canada
Love, Peace...
Love your conjoined twin, Haiti... You share the same nourishing lands and air. Can you hate the hands of your body? Can you hate the feet that allow your steps? How can you hate the very brother who Loves you enough, that he seeks refuge in your bosom. Love Brothers, Love.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 3:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Montreal I study at the NYC
Have my college degree returned back to DR to work. While in the US I met some haitians in school and to sum things up they were not interested in going back to Haiti at all they view the country as a lost cause. So tell me something after the earthquake what happen to the billions punished to Haiti? I guess the rest of the world see it as a.lost cause if haitians were to step up and actually help Haiti besides sitting in the comforts in their homes just bicthing maybe the rest of the world will then step up and help
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 3:37 PM
From: United States, Miami
Montreal reggie you need to shut your mouth with your peace and love and tell Stephen Harper to set up these reservations as you call them in Quebec. Bring them to Quebec city and have them camp out by the plains of abraham or shacks by Chateau Frontenac. Let them start setting up all along St, Catherine, St, Laurent and Rene Levesque, let me see how you like 91 or 50 people living in 1 bedroom apartment you ignorant moron. We REAL Dominicans who love our country won't allow it and your Dominican wife should be ashamed of a man, who is not even a real man but a soft little punk trying to kill/undermine the national identity of her country. Shut your mouth Reggie and stop calling us racists you idiot. Your just a petulant interloper with no business in this at all.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Vegano
Canada, mostly Québec, has already more than its share of Haitians, and believe me, after the fall of the Hell's Angels, they're the most prominent criminals through the street gangs affiliated to the Bloods, Crips and other church going organizations. And since the new immigrants won't be doctors or engineers, imagine the chaos.
The problem is, no country would accept a massive influx of Haitians, because of the illiteracy, lack of preparedness for the work market, and the total absence of compliance with the immigration criteria of any admitting countries.
As for the language, since 1987, créole is the official language of Haiti. Not French. Créole!!
Result: new immigrants will ghettoize because thay can't speak the fluckin' language of any country they'll go to. They only can speak to each other.
So let them be with each other.
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 3:43 PM
From: United States, Miami
We are NOT TWINS either you idiot. Stop identifying us in that way you fool, you have to stop commenting here with your clearly stupid comments and go eat some putin, frites or whatever the heck else you wide eyed canadians like to munch on while suffering in the cold. Haitians have a shared past and that is it. We don't HATE them, We don't HATE you, we LOVE EVERYBODY. You obviously know about Dominican LOVING you married one. WE DISLIKE BEING PUSHED AROUND. Stop talking down to us as well, so check yourself my friend, check yourself.
Written by: vegano, 17 Jan 2011 4:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Peoples ignore Montreal he is not married to a Dominicana, he probably thought he was MARRYING one at the time LOL
From: Canada
Yes, I am married to a Dominican woman who is caring and a great mother. Unlike Carmen, she is compassionate. My wife is from Bani and we intend to adopt a child from Haiti this year. Seriously, we want to give a chance to a child to live his or her life with all of the advantages that we have had. She is kind and she is sexy, but what makes her most attractive is her affinity for helping others. Notable, beautiful qualities. My wife is beautiful but her character makes her a gorgeous person.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Ha Reggie you speak of compassion? What compassion is there to see them live worse in DR than in Haiti? There is hope for help in Haiti., What help is there in Santiago? What help? Have you yourself ever been to a public hospital in Santiago? Do you know what you talk about? You like to sound profound but to me you are ignorant. Come and visit. Bring lost of $$$$$$$ so you can feed them because the moradores from the barrios cannot feed themselves much less the hungry sick Haitians. Come please with your sound good rhetoric, COME you hypocrite.
From: United States
Montreal reggie-Not only have Haitians become de facto invaders in the DR, they also compete with our natives, displaced them in employment and microbusiness enterprises. They have pushed out our traditional street vendors to become the new shoe shine boys, ice cream and coconut peddlers, even our beggars are now Haitians. They fill up our hospitals to create a greater shortage of an already limited number of beds and take seats away from Domincan children in a heavily burdened, severely overcrowded public educational system. They commit crimes, bring illnesses, contaminate and pollute our rivers, towns and cities and like you are taking and even marrying our women.
WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED TO SEE DOMINICANS ENRAGED, UP IN ARMS AND SIMPLY FED UP WITH ILLEGAL HAITIANS?
Yeah, Montreal, just what the Doctor ordered, the Dominican Republic needs more Haitians just like you. Que Dios nos libre de todo mal-AMEN
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 4:56 PM
From: United States, Miami
Carmen Reyes is not only compassionate Reggie, she is also practical. She KNOWS what she is talking about. You clearly don't know the horses mouth from it's fundillo. Stop insulting our intelligence with this whole love, love BS and put your feet on the ground you pariguayo (you must know that that means)? You are dumn, dumn, dumn and have no business with your HAitiana wife commenting on this site. LISTEN to US it's OUR COUNTRY WE LIVE THEIR. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. You aren't listening to us at all. If somebody every asks you one day if you consider yourself a good listener? TELL THEM YUCAHU SAY'S NO!!!!!! Be Silent and send money. Your not going to adopt and freaking kid cuz if you wuz gonna do it, you would have by now. So like they told Chavez, Porque no te callas?
Written by: Yucahu, 17 Jan 2011 4:58 PM
From: United States, Miami
We are a people under seige our very way of life is being snatched away from us and we aren't going to sit like good puppies and listen to your Canadian garbage brother. Stay out of our way as REAL men fight for what they think is right. Canadian men are obviously to whupped to realize when it's time to struggle for something.
Written by: ateo2010 
, 17 Jan 2011 5:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
I love this sorts of articles, they're orgasmic. Keep strong compatriots!
From: United States, jackson heights ny
TO THE TONTON MACOUTES ,please return to haiti,to work with the new president BABY DOC .Order has to be restore, in haiti.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Compassion, Love, Understanding? There are many commenting who have no clue what they are talking about. No clue at all. Buy a ticket and come. I will take you places your imagination will never. You will see the suffering and hopelessness. Walk through Bella Vista, La Joya, Pastor, Otra Banda, Nivaje, Pueblo Nuevo, Zona Historica, Cien Fuegos. Walk, talk take inventory for yourself and then tell me what good can come from the Haitians living in these conditions. We are having blackouts every day sometimes for 10 hours in the barrios. There is no water at times and imagine the filth the Haitians live in. They p and poop everywhere!!! The children all have parasites, coughs, pertussis is back and spreading. You want that for Haitians? You want that for Dominicans? You are the BEAST the SNAKE You are SATAN
Written by: xfactor, 17 Jan 2011 5:58 PM
From: United States
Carmen - these are the typical people that just like to feed their self righteousness by pointing their fingers at others. They will never leave their comfortable lives to walk in the shoes of those they criticize.
If they found someone shitting in their own backyard, I "betcha" love and compassion would be the first one out the door.....
From: Canada
Guys, Peace and Love. Carmen, I am not the bad person that you put me out to be. I realize that this is a crazy situation for you all but you must show compassion to receive compassion. Love to receive true love. This is just the way of things. Parasites (especially blastocysts hominis) are easy to take care of and they can be quite painful. If you are in the health care profession, you should be happy to help another in need. Especially a child in need. They need a caring hand and a true smile to demonstrate your love of your fellow man. Yucahu, peace my brother... I believe that you are quoting the king of Spain and his comment to Chavez. Did Chavez shut up? Then Neither will I. You need to have more love for your fellow neighbors. You are conjoined twins with the Haitians.
From: Canada
Try to understand what I have written. I think that it would be great if the Dominican Republic set up reservations for the Haitian illegals. It would provide clean water, sanitation, concentrate the medical effort, and provide for much needed documentation. They could cultivate land and sell their produce to the Dominican Government at a price that would benefit the growers and the Dominican Government - for example, the food grown with such a group could be passed on at discount prices to the Dominican poor citizens. The Haitian illegals, including children, would be off your streets and people like Carmen would feel safe to shop without having to see them. Sanitation would improve and just about everything else. Stop turning your backs on the disenfranchised. It makes you look desperate and weak. Carmen, I recommend that you talk to your doctor about ativan - he/she might want to start you on 0.5 mg q.i.d. I am talking about love and peace not hate.
From: United States, Brooklyn
We need a GRASS-ROOT movement to drive back the Haitians, since our beloved government can't handle the situation!
From: Canada
I am commenting about peace and love my brothers and sisters and not hate. Remember what the Lord said, " A house divided upon itself cannot stand". Why should the spreading of love and peace offend anyone, unless they themselves are evil? Many of you are asking me to do something, adopt (My wife and I are already planning this), give money, and much more. The question is, have any of you given money and adopted or are you afraid to practice what you preach? Be loving and kind to others and the Almighty will reciprocate.
From: Canada
Carlos-Franco,
We need a group hug movement. A peace movement. A march for unity for all Haitians and Dominicans. We need prayer sessions and fasting for solutions. Peace not hate, love not war, compassion not bitterness.
From: United States
ohh montreal_reggie, we've been compassionate with the haitians for too long. what are you talking about ? Stop telling dominicans what they should do. We are having these issues in DR because of how compassionate we are and you come with this peace - love. You sound like some Haitians on here (if you're not one of them just with a different account) , everytime we enforce the law we hear people like you talking that: deportations are not the answer, feel sorry for haitians, help us help us, don't be evil. i don't think so...... WE ARE SICK OF IT !!!!
There is nothing i want to see more that Haiti being a prosperous country but we have to enforce the laws here, wear our shoes than you'll understand where we come from, you're on the outside.. there are things you can't see from montreal, you should stay quiet regarding certain things; specially on DR's laws.
From: Dominican Republic, North Coast
CarmanReyes;The US wants to sink the whole island... Don't blame the US Carman, you Dominicans have been doing that very well on your own...
From: Canada
Zona, I am happy that you are one of the Dominicans who would like an improved situation for your poor neighbors to the West. Now brother, you know that I don't have to be living in the DR to feel the pain of the situation. I have an appreciation of what is going on from where I am. I have been to Haiti with Doctors without Borders to assist licensed physicians with the earthquake effort. I believe that if you would go to Haiti and see for yourself the situation there (wear those shoes), you might take a more compassionate stance. The lines for help are just too long for everyone and they go to the DR out of shear desperation. Simple problems that can become serious or even life threatening - such as bacterial infections... children with their lymph nodes so swollen from bacterial infections. Simple treatments of tetracycline, doxy, amoxy, erythromycin, any combination of which could benefit. They are desperate and you would be too. Love Love
Written by: bayman46, 17 Jan 2011 8:06 PM
From: United States
I can't believe SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM "SOME" OF THE DOMINICANS, ABOUT THE HAITIAN PEOPLE. Some of you have the nerve to talk about Haitian People. Go look in your own backyards before talking about someone else. First you need to go cleanup your own House of Corruption in Government & Militery,ILLegal Drugs and lLLegible Babies before you point your finger at others.
I have been traveling to D.R. sense 1989 and lived and work in Santo Domingo for 5 years(2004-2009). I can honestly say as an American, I was never ripped off by an Haitian Brother's or Sister's, but can't say the same about some of my so call Dominicans Friends. I never meet so many Ungreatful, Self-Serving and Arrogent Group of People, that have some much promise, but contineous to throw it away. They think they know it all, but know nothing. Keep in mine all Dominican People are not like this. There are Dominicans/ Families that do the right thing everyday.
From: United States
@ Guillermone - With all due respect, is it completely fair to imply that ALL Haitians do is cause problems and negativity?? Perhaps they do fill up the hospital beds, but do you SOLELY blame Haitians for being sick, or do you blame a corrupt government that has MISMANAGED its resources?? The schools may be overcrowed, but again do you SOLELY blame Haitians, or do you ALSO blame they government and its shameful 3% education spending?? If Education, Healthcare and Infrastructure was more important than turning customs into a CORRUPT get rich quick scheme perhaps things would be at least better, there would be MORE Hospitals, and MORE Schools etc. As far as a Haitian child 'taking' a Dominican childs blanket, is a Dominican childs life worth more than a Haitian?? I understand your point is more along the lines of 'let the Gov. take care of its OWN first', but for goodness sakes, don't let Politics blind you to the point where you impose that foolishness on a innocent small child.
From: United States
And if the Haitians have become part of 'scenery' now, shining shoes, being cocoteros etc, can you really blame them?? Does it mean that Dominicans CANT do these things now? Of course not. There may be less corners to stand on, but again lets be fair and reasonable....how many Dominicans have come to the States and set up shop???....thereby changing the 'scenery' in the US?? How many Dominican Hair Salons have been set up?? Dominican Barber Shops??? Based on YOUR rationale I could say, "we don't need THEM in OUR Country, we have our own Salons and Shops etc". But that would be stupid and unreasonable because you can NOT blame people for trying to be resourceful and survive. If Haitians are illegal then the Gov has the right to deport, but all I'm saying is be fair, they ALSO contribute to Society, and they are doing the EXACT same things Dominicans have done in the US. Also, about them 'marrying YOUR women', Please. No Haitian is forcing a Dominicana to marry. Its voluntary.
From: United States
@Montreal_Reggie - It is encouraging to see another person highlighting just how important showing compassion, patience and love is right now. But it seems a lot of peoples minds have just been twisted to the point where the Color of a flag is more precious than the Color of blood. Some people SINCERELY believe that they are somehow 'better' than another person because of race or culture. And whenever you have that type of self-imposed ignorance, its really difficult to up root that type of thinking without people questioning your motives and intentions. So many people cheer behind this zero-tolerance, 'get them out by any means necessary' type of thinking and forget that freedom and tolerance is why their US counterparts were able to work for a better life in the States. I know things are horrible in Haiti and they are bad in DR. I don't have the answer, because there is no ONE answer. But I DO know, now more than ever people have to be patient, respectful, grateful and humble.
From: United States
@Guillermone - You are normally the more reasonable of the bunch -
"They commit crimes" - Uh oh y los dominicanos no??
"bring illnesses" - ok, realistically speaking many illnesses come from not having good, sanitary living conditions (Cholera) amd NOT because they are just a disease-ridden people. If you want to be technical the ancestors of Haitians were more resistant to diseases than MANY other peoples, that is why they survived and were highly desired in the Plantation based colonies. ANY people (including DR) will have a higher level of disease if they lived in similar conditions.
"contaminate and pollute our rivers" - were Haitians responsible for what was one of the MOST polluted place on Earth, Haina? No. That was 'domestic' pollution, which has STILL not been completely cleaned up.
"even marrying our women" - 'OUR' Women?? Racist Whites used to say the same thing about Black Men, as if the Women were just being 'seduced'. Back then it was called a racist remark...
From: United States
Bernard Jean Pierre-No I am not blaming Haitians in any way shape or form. My heart bleeds for the Haitian people and I am one of many Dominicans that did my share to assist Haitians during their plight. But even before the earth quake, I participated in Humanitarian missions to provide help for the economically impoverished Haitians in Gonaive and La Gonave. However, I went to Haiti to help but while I am in the DR I help Dominicans. That does not mean I will turn my back on a Haitian or any human in need regardless and no matter the nationality or location. All I am saying is do not be upset or blame the Dominicans for their reaction. Haitians are competing for limited resources with people who already have nothing and will have even less if more Haitians keep coming. You want us to have compassion for you, but who will have compassion and look after the best interest of the poor and disadvantaged Dominicans who are the direct victims of illegal and undocumented Haitians?
From: United States
Bottom line is this what we have seen is a reaction by the Dominican people, a clear manifestation of frustration, pure and simple frustration. But pent up frustration is extremely dangerous where a release valve is imminent and must be promptly implemented, otherwise it could easily and quickly escalate into something much worse then just a sporadically explosive conflict.
If backed up pressure is not given an outlet to dissipate, no doubt and surely a tragic outcome is only to be expected, where at the very least there will be no winners, only losers on both sides of the court.
From: Canada
Bernard,
You are a stand up guy and I am really proud to be on the same earth as you brother.
Guillermone,
You extended your hand to help the poor and great things are coming your way. The humanitarian work you did in Haiti was gallant. You have to stay the course. The problem of Haiti is not in your backyard, it is in your house but let us all try to come up with realistic and humane solutions. Barbarism is not a solution.
From: United States
@Guillermone - I understand the frustration, honestly I would probably be frustrated too. I am not blind to the issue and it is expected that there is some frustration on both sides. The 'ball' has been dropped by the US, the International Community, Haiti, the Dominican Republic and others. That is why 'fixing' Haiti is such a multi-layered issue, it involves a lot of other people. And unfortunately, many Dominicans have to deal with more inconveniences that have come with the migrant Haitians. And I agree with you, pent up frustration IS very dangerous. That is why I continue to stress to people that this situation has to be dealt with from a reasonable, organized perspective and NOT a emotional, patriotic fevor of superiority, fear or hate. Haitians need help right now, we ALL have to do our part and carry some of the load right now. Haitians have to be conscious of their own actions, and Dominicans have to be compassionate of the plight of Haitians. @MontrealReggie- thanks
From: United States
@Guillermone- I certainly do not blame Dominicans for being frustrated, that would be a normal reaction to any similar situation. All I am saying is that people need to be patient, this was a tragic event, it is no one persons fault. That exact same Earthquake could have happened under Sto. Dom. (God forbid that EVER happens) and caused the mass exodus of Dominicans to Haiti or Puerto Rico or Jamaica or the US etc. If that happened how would the Dominican Government want the US citizens to respond to the arrival of thousands of Dominicans needing food, clothing and shelter?? Naturally they would want help, and to be shown compassion, empathy etc. Saying 'get them out of here, they are a nuisance' might be the 'easy' thing to do, but would it be the decent thing to do, considering that we are ALL just human beings sharing one Earth?? At times of dire circumstances we have to put down or 'colors' and 'flags' and think about other people more than ourselves. Golden Rule
From: United States, Brooklyn
The day that the DR becomes a corrupt free society will be the day that haitians hate the most, for the haitian issue is one of the thorns on our republic....
so it´s best for you internationalist and dominicanwannabehaitians that the DR remains corrupt...
Written by: Yucahu, 18 Jan 2011 3:41 AM
From: United States, Miami
Ok, ok Reggie and Bernard your right, I agree with you....NOT!!!!!! Get it through your numbskulls my beloved sweet, sweet freedom fighters of righteousness (selfrighteousness that it is). You twist and miscontrue our words. You read RACISM, RACISM, RACISM, HATE, HATE, HATE. You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. No reservations, no more massive immigration no more idiot comments from either of you. SEND THEM BACK baby, clear and simple. There are HUNDREDS of NGO's and MILLIONS of dollars awaiting the citizens of that country THEIR. NOT in DR...If you are going to adopt, please adopt like at least ten of the little suckers so they will stop being a public nucisance. Thank you Reggie and Bernard you made my day. NOT
Written by: cantave, 18 Jan 2011 4:33 AM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: TontoDominicano, 17 Jan 2011 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dear montreal -reggie
Lamento no poder expresarme bien en ingles,.
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TontoDominicano!! tu nombre lo dice todo, papo, tu no puede expresarte en espanol tampoco.
que trates el chino.
semper Fidelis.............
Written by: cantave, 18 Jan 2011 4:40 AM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: ateo2010, 17 Jan 2011 5:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
I love this sorts of articles, they're orgasmic. Keep strong compatriots!
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ateo2010, The only orgasm you ever had was from your uncle's hands,.so dont even go there.
Semper Fidelis.............
Written by: Nehesy, 18 Jan 2011 8:32 AM
From: France, Paris
@ montreal_reggie and BernardJeanPierre
A great pleasure to read educated people when you see them...Very seldom in this website
@ Bayman46
So true, I met some dominicans who said that their mum is sick in order to trick you and get some money
@ Carmenreyes
If you have any atom of compassion, please fight for your dominican sisters and against sexual tourism...
Why do these women sell their bodies and souls to any tourist ? May be for the same reason that Haitians are coming into your country : Need of Money/Need to survive
Dominican woman @ss selling has no comparison all over the caribbean history ( even Cuba in his bad times before Fidel revolution) you even export them in the Americas (North, South) and in Europe !!!
Anyway as a tourist I'm done with the DR and be sure that many strangers feel the same when they see these uneducated/Racist/Full of hatred comments.
I'll visit Puerto Rico really soon and I'm taking the plane ,not the Yolas...
From: Canada
Yucahu,
Peace my brother, but you are wrong. You are using language to insight violence through hatred and negative rhetoric - " sweet, sweet freedom fighters". You support civilians taking up arms and using them to intimidate the most desperate/poor group in the Caribbean, a group in need of succor. Shameful. Others, like myself, want to seek out solutions that are far far less abrasive and are based on a foundation of Peace and Love. The war dance approach is not only uncalled for but it makes the "freedom fighters" look weak, flaccid, and flimsy. We are speaking about real people, not characters is some Xbox game.
Try something.... Hold your breath; hold it for as long as you can..........When you can't hold it any longer, take a breath......
.....I have just proven that out of shear desperation (your requirement for air), your priorities will change. The Haitian immigrants are desperate and they go to the DR to satisfy their basic God-given instinct to survive.
Written by: xfactor, 18 Jan 2011 10:29 AM
From: United States
We will always help the Haitian, but "WITHIN OUR MEANS." Is that hard to understand?
Wow, Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?
Atabey, Carmen, Yucahu, Vegano, Dutch, Walter, keep telling it like it is. We can't let intruders step on us. We need to stand up for our Sovereignty.
@Nehesy, how dare you criticize someone who's living the problem every single day? Just because you're a tourist once in a while? What a pompous joke you are. Remember your people is directly responsible for the Haitians are living? That is a well documented historical FACT. Aside from talking BS and protecting dictators, what else is the FRENCH doing to help?
So now you won't visit the DR? JAJAJAJA You are worried you won't find a big Haitian moreno when you come to DR? That's ok. I'm sure the sankipankis you came to visit will miss your dime but we don't need people like you visiting our land. Instead of Puerto Rico, why don't you visit Haiti? What a self righteous hypocrite.
From: Canada
XFactor,
"Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?"
Peace Brother XFactor. We are not trying to be self righteous, we are trying to be righteous. God, Jesus, Moses, and the prophets all equated righteous ways as desirable and correct. We are not self righteous, we are righteous 'in the common good' of our fellow man. Psalm 37: 21 ' But the righteous one is showing favor' Psalm 37: 30 'The mouth of the righteous is the one that utters wisdom and his is the tongue that speaks justly'. We don't only want the best for the Haitian immigrants, we also want the best for you. You must understand that we are all in this world together and this is the proving ground. The place where you are given the opportunity to take a position with your fellow man. This is not about some game- 'How do we keep our money' or 'how we show the world how we flex our muscles'. This is life. Compassion is in order and a peaceful approach to negotiating problems is in order.
From: Canada
XFactor,
"Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?"
Peace Brother XFactor. We are not trying to be self righteous, we are trying to be righteous. God, Jesus, Moses, and the prophets all equated righteous ways as desirable and correct. We are not self righteous, we are righteous 'in the common good' of our fellow man. Psalm 37: 21 ' But the righteous one is showing favor' Psalm 37: 30 'The mouth of the righteous is the one that utters wisdom and his is the tongue that speaks justly'. We don't only want the best for the Haitian immigrants, we also want the best for you. You must understand that we are all in this world together and this is the proving ground. The place where you are given the opportunity to take a position with your fellow man. This is not about some game- 'How do we keep our money' or 'how we show the world how we flex our muscles'. This is life. Compassion is in order and a peaceful approach to negotiating problems is in order.
From: Canada
"We can't let intruders step on us"
Are these immigrants the great army from the West that you fear? Are they the reason why you mobilize your troops? Prepare for war? Can someone sane try to explain to me the proportionality of this effort or the fairness of hand and execution?
This chant for war and turmoil is counter - righteous. The last time I checked, righteous means - acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin. Love my brother X, love is the way.
Written by: xfactor, 18 Jan 2011 12:13 PM
From: United States
Montreal Dude....
Your post just proves the fact you are self righteous. If you really modeled your life after Jesus' you would give up all your possessions to the much needier like poor Haitians and poor Dominicans or any poor in your country. But I bet that's not going to happen.
I can respect/tolerate your "love, compassion, peace" rhetoric. But one of your first comments on this thread was to criticize and attack Dominicans who are on the ground living the situation every single day. That doesn't fly well with me. And that average Dominican which you and others attack has done and will do 1000% more for an Haitian immigrant than you might ever do. I believe DR is the country that has done the most for Haiti. And remember the fact that we are a third world nation with limited resources, with well over 35% of our population in poverty.
Preach whatever nonsense you want but don't attack my fellow Dominican. Then maybe then you might make some sense.
Written by: xfactor, 18 Jan 2011 12:18 PM
From: United States
BernardJeanPierre has expressed his ideas and suggestions eloquently without the need for attacking our fellow Dominican. He expressed his views without judgement.
Do I agree with him? Probably not on most of his ideas. But I can respect his opinion.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Good day all. I have read all of the posts on this topic and couldn't resist contributing my ideas. I am a Virgin Islander whose adopted mother was born in La Romana, Dominican Republic in 1921. Like so many Caribbean people of that time the Dominican Republic was, in the words of my mom: "a prosperous land of opportunity". Her father was an Antiguan sugar factory manager and her mother, a St. Thomian cook. At one time in her youth she lived so close to the border with Haiti that she would walk into Haiti to play with her Haitian friends.
I was blessed to be able to visit the DR in 2007. I saw the demographic diversity of the country and it reminded me of the Virgin Islands. My host told me that there are 1 million Haitians living in the DR . But he couldn't say how many were illegal immigrants. From what I am reading in DR newspapers and hearing from contributors to this forum. The DR suffers from the same problem the US Virgin Islands suffers from: massive illegal immigration.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
If you want to know what massive illegal immigration does to a country and its people, ask ancestral native Virgin Islanders. I am one.
Every country has a right and a responsibility to protect its borders. When a country's borders have been breached i.e. when anyone even a Virgin Islander or a US citizen enters a country illegally or overstays that person commits a crime against the people of that country . They in effect say that they have no respect for the citizens of the country and its government. And government officials / employees that aid in illegal entry commit an act of treason against his countrymen. This is true for any people or government. Acts of illegal immigration are harmful to any country but are particularly harmful economically and socially to developing countries. In my opinion,relatively small countries cannot absorb immigrants legal or illegal that can amount to more than 3% of its population.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Every government has a fiduciary responsibility to provide its citizens employment, entrepreneurial opportunities, education, healthcare and sanitation and transportation infrastructure that will position the country for growth. Illegal immigration adds costs and limits the effectiveness of a country's education and health care system. In effect it cheats citizens and legal immigrants. I know because I have lived through it in my homeland.
It is my responsibility as a Virgin Islander to hold my government accountable to me. It is the responsibility of Haitians living outside of Haiti to hold their government accountable. It my responsibility as a Virgin Islander to assist my poor countrymen. It is the responsibility of Haitians in the Haitian diaspora to assist their countrymen. The citizenship a person holds must mean something in the way of benefits and responsibility.
From: United States
"In my opinion,relatively small countries cannot absorb immigrants legal or illegal that can amount to more than 3% of its population."
Very true and you are so right SowahAkai.
Thank-You for giving us another very realistic perspective about an issue that can not be dealt with by just simply using "patience" as a couple of posters have suggested. Easy to say, but extremely difficult and hard to do.
The worse thing about the matter, if Dominicans refuse to accept, do not agree or contradict the imposition to keep a couple of millions illegals on Dominican soil, (20%-25% of the population) we are then labeled as "RACIST." Now that accusation is more then just a low blow, it is both a punch and a kick below the waistline.
Written by: xfactor, 18 Jan 2011 1:40 PM
From: United States
Thank you SowahAkai for your input. It's very appreciated and on point.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Therefore, I believe that Dominicans must ensure that Dominicans are the primary beneficiary of the economic growth of the DR.While on my trip to the DR in 2007 someone praised Haitians for their work ethic and criticized Dominicans.The irony was that he was a half Dominican Puerto Rican. I gracefully challenged him by telling him that I found Dominicans hard working in my country.
Therein is the same problem we have in the USVI. Most immigrants to the USVI make derogatory statements about Virgin Islanders. They are loyal to people from their own country and even as naturalized US citizens they hire their own countrymen and vote for their own countrymen. Our native politicians avoid looking after the interest of the Virgin Islanders because non-natives are more than 40% of the USVI population. Virgin Islanders are 2nd class citizens in their own country.
From: United States
@ owahAkai,thank you for understanding.
@ bayman46 : Stop visiting the DR and start visiting Haiti instead.You'll enjoy your stay in Hell!
@ Nehesy : You surely have a lot of time in your hands,time you use to badmouth Dominicans on youtube,and everywhere on the web you could sign up....That's pathetic dude,get a life! ..Did you run out of French asses to kiss??????
Written by: Nehesy, 18 Jan 2011 2:01 PM
From: France, Paris
Tunbagobierno
Just chillin from my job man
And the only french asses to kiss, are kissed in Las Terrenas.
Don't understand your last statement...
Dominicans are a great people, less all the racists
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
I have traveled to Haiti, I have spent a significant amount of time in Ghana (6 months) Liberia (5 months), Togo, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Bahamas and Puerto Rico. I have lived in the US for 12.5 years in the deep south. And I have traveled extensively to 34 of the 50 states. In Africa its primarily the Chinese, Arabs and Europeans. In the US its primarily Mexicans, Haitians. People often migrate to a country purely for economic reasons. Rarely are people willing to assimilate: learn the language, eat the food adopt the culture of the country they immigrate to.
I speak of this concern because as I am writing this post I must tell you that my wife and I have decided to move to the Dominican Republic. So I am learning Spanish. My wife is originally from Grenada herself an immigrant to the US. Her father, a Barbadian legally filled for himself, his wife and two children waited for a decision and followed the law. I never had to worry about why she married me.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
I am learning more about DR history. I am starting a business so that I can support my ministry and family. And yes. I am going to file for DR citizenship and then file for my wife and children. My wife is concerned about crime, malaria, dengue and cholera. We are looking for schools for our 3 younger daughters.
Written by: xfactor, 18 Jan 2011 2:22 PM
From: United States
Nehesy, since you didn't understand his statement let me spell it for you. "YOU ARE PATHETIC, GET A LIFE."
In Las Terrenas? Thank god you're not coming back. :)
From: Canada
The DR is no more cojointed twins with Haiti than Mexico is with the USA. Montreal there is room in Haiti for your reservation- Haiti - where Haitians should be.
Written by: vegano, 18 Jan 2011 5:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bayman46
You are correct Dominicans commit crimes and do drugs, the only difference is that.DR is our country so if we commit a crime we do the time. If an haitians commits a crime he is running to the border. So it is not the same, so please we don't need anymore haitians criminals. Once again if a dominican commits a crime its he is in his country. Can you repeat that a couple of time maybe u will see the logic
Written by: vegano, 18 Jan 2011 5:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SowahAkai,
It is nice that you want to come to DR to start a ministry, but won't your ministry be better appreciated if you did it in Haiti were they really need it? Going into Haiti and helping them would be best than going to DR and preaching. Fellow Haitians don't you think that the lord ministry should be done in Haiti so that Haitians can benefit from it? Ministers are supposed go to where they are needed the most.
From: Haiti
Gents, Haiti and the Dominican Republic are conjoined twins like MontrealReggie says. What many people have forgotten is the number of Dominican people who live here in Haiti. They do everything in Haiti that Haitians do in the DR. They own small businesses, prostitute, work in the fields, work in factories, and some do absolutely nothing. I realize that the numbers are not the same on both sides, but in every society the poorer always moves towards the richer society to take advantage of jobs or the hope of jobs. There was a time when dominican field workers used to come in by the thousands in the back of trucks to help to cut sugarcane, primarily for the Barbancourt family. I am with you Montreal, more love and compassion. Whenever I travel to the dominican rep, I am always told ' tu no eres haitiano'. I guess that my light skin and straight hair is the reason. I consider this racist. They don't want to believe that black comes in so many different shades. Grow up!
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Vegano
" SowahAkai,
It is nice that you want to come to DR to start a ministry, but won't your ministry be better appreciated if you did it in Haiti were they really need it? Going into Haiti and helping them would be best than going to DR and preaching. Fellow Haitians don't you think that the lord ministry should be done in Haiti so that Haitians can benefit from it? Ministers are supposed go to where they are needed the most. "
Hi Vegano: "I am starting a business in the DR". Currently we do ministry in the Virgin Islands and Liberia. Funny that you should mention Haiti. We are indeed expanding to Haiti. The business and our residence however, will be in the DR. It is more practical to reach out to Haiti from the DR.
From: Haiti
What do dominicans want in general? Do they want all Haitians out of the DR or just the illegal ones. It will get easier soon to get a Dominican visa in Haiti. There are plans in the works to do this. The visas will be cheaper than paying the border guards.
From: United States
superlover
"What do dominicans want in general? Do they want all Haitians out of the DR"
It is a given, good times or bad, there will always be and there has always been a Haitian presence in the DR regardless. However, we do not want that many and definitely not all at the same time. As for illegals are concerned, they are breaking the law, should never have been allowed to set foot on Domiican soil in the first place or any country for that matter and if caught should be deported immediately.
Is it that hard for you to understand?
From: United States
@ Nehesy : kissing asses in las terrenas,ah?
Well, it is not secret that there's Haitian prostitutes all over the DR....
You probably tested positive with cholera.
...But then again,you probably have developed immunity.
Now you are saying that Dominicans are nice people?..Haitian,please!!
I know all the crap you've said about us all over the net,so don't even try it!
Stop acting innocent.....
From: United States
Now,to the topic in question :
Nobody should be surprised that this events are happening.
Immigration policy in this country is nonexistent regarding our neighbors.
I used to support Leonel Fernandez,but the guy just does not have the testicular fortitude to deal with this kind of issues!
From: United States
i see this has turned into a haitian forum, off to the next story i go !!
Written by: vegano, 19 Jan 2011 9:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Today Mississippi are trying to pass a similar law like Arizona regarding immigrants so it seems that US need to live by example or stay out of our f%king business fellow haitians bye. Because the US wants to deport legal immigrants also. So we should do the same not born in DR out you go. We We should use the same methods they use to figure out whose Latino or not. LOL
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Jan 2011 10:41 AM
From: United States, Miami
All these religious ministries are breaking the law aiding and abetting the breaking of Dominican law. I have a Belgian friend who wrote me a letter. She wrote oh I visited DR and we helped these illegal Haitians who were so afraid" Why are they afraid, because they are breaking the law. She made my blood boil, if I do join the Dominican Police like I plan to I will track down all these groups, sue them, sieze their assets and have them all relocate to HAiti. Where they can help Haitians. If you are in DR and you want open up a group like this it should be dedicated to helping POOR DOMINICANS. You filthy hypocrites, you come to DR undermine by bringing in illegals and enjoy the countries hospitality and services. Go to HAiti and build schools, build houses in Haiti. Stop going to DR and doing your activities for a foreign born population when their are poor unfortunates living in tents who could use your services. You hypocrites, you should be ashamed.
Written by: vegano, 24 Jan 2011 11:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yucahu, I agree with you. Fake people wanna help haitians from s safe environment just go to Haiti and help them. That is how u will receive the lord blessing. That should be the next step after deporting the haitians lock up the missionaries and drop them of the other side of the island of Haiti without a cell. You know what bring trojillo back did be have any sons with balls. Ten more years and ill be running for office i feel sorry for the haitians and all other illegal but my primary focus are the haitians.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
I have written in detail about my views about illegal immigration here in the USVI. I have even stated that no country, especially developing Caribbean countries, should allow more than 3% of its population to consist of illegal or legal immigrants.
I stated that it is my desire and plan to start a business in the DR and move my family there - legally.
I was told that Dominicans don't need ministering to but rather the Haitians. When I responded by stating that we plan to reach out to Haitians in Haiti from the DR, I now hear that I should rather reach out to poor Dominicans if we are going to be based in the DR or go to Haiti.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Yucahu and Vegano I agree with you. When governments and NGOs provide benefits to Haitians and other illegal immigrants in the DR they give illegals the incentive to break the immigration laws of the DR. Then more people come to the DR. For example in the US a child born to an illegal immigrant is automatically a US citizen. So you know what happens. Illegal immigrants are motivated to make any sacrifice to get into the US or any of its territories even the USVI. With the child's US citizenship the parent(s) can begin to build the case for their own legitimacy at best and at worst have a link to the US that they can exploit later in life. In my own "country" I am second class citizen because of legal and illegal immigrants who only see the US and its territories as a place to make money but have no respect for our people and do not assimilate. Their loyalty is to their own country.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands (US)
Therefore, I am comfortable with legally moving to a country like the DR, adopt it as my own, assimilate, respect Dominicans. I know that even then, I will be a second class DR citizen. And you know what? ; I would rather be a second class DR citizen than continue to be a second class citizen in my native country.
Written by: vegano, 25 Jan 2011 2:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
SowahAkai,
I respect the fact that you are coming to DR legally where I live. +
What I don't respect or admire are people like yourself that comes to
DR to help Haitians from DR. You should really reconsider and become
a legal resident of Haiti so you can be of better help to them. The more help
haiti recieves the prouder they will become because they could progress within
their own nation. Thanks
From: United States
That is something similar to what Cubans do in Miami. They want to ouster Fidel while sitting in a very comfortable, soft Italian leather lounge chair, talking a lot of crap on the radio or TV, living in big beautiful air conditioned homes, driving fancy cars, wearing expensive clothes and jewelry, and over-indulge in the consumption of food and drink, many times to the point of gluttony. Now thats a very nice way to free the brothers from socialist enslavement while on the island they suffer the vicissitude's of everyday life.
That is why I question the sincerity of many, not all, so called "humanitarians" that are willing to lend a helping hand as long as their present lifestyle is not interrupted. El pobre al hoyo y el rico a comer pollo.
From: Canada, Ottawa
Dominicans & Haitians are brothers and sisters, it's time for us to LOVE! Like Montreal_reggie say;LOVE is THE WAY!!
Every ayuntamiento should have a few camionas.
To repatriate 1,000,000, it's 3,000 a day! Not counting with those coming back.
The Government should leave that to free enterprise. At RD$500 per, a truckload il well worth it.
Why don't you stop spreading your hate of these people, yes, they are people and you need to check yourself, punk!
This is a shameful process. The dominican government should not allow its people to bypass the legal process and the executive branch of the law! Pure chaos - I won't visit the dr anytime soon.
Yes, the frontera guards are as much to blame as the illegal Haitians - both are breaking the law. One group out of necessity, one group for greed!
It should be easy for you to understand how I can criticize, since you started it. You and the other ego maniacs on this thread started the process of criticism. Your criticism has led to racial splurs towards these very poor people who have run to your community to find a better life. I am not saying that it is legal, but I am saying that it is no reason for you or the others on this thread to hate them. Vitriol starts with criticism.
Please sing along...
Haiti Love, Dominican Peace, Brotherhood, Love, Love
Rice and Beans - they both love it... Grilled Pork - they both share it
By the border, they are tied...... Peace, Peace, Peace....
I have't seen the "racial splurs" you refer to on any of these comments. Can you point any out?
I can't stand when people with an outside view try to preach compassion at the expense of the Dominican communities, especially when they themselves do not do squat to help out.
For the record, I'm both American and Dominican. I have two points of view as an insider and an outsider.
Anna Szterenfeld, a contributor to Michel Wucker's dominican web-forum:
"Once again, we are starting to see media reports and outcrys against
the deportation of Haitians from the Dominican Republic. I am thoroughly
in agreement that the rights of Haitians need to be protected, and that
all nations should do more to help Haiti as it continues to struggle in
the aftermath of the earthquake. However, some of the media coverage and
statements by human rights groups seem to imply that the Dominican
Republic is indiscriminately deporting Haitians and that it has done
little to help the refugees and its neighboring country.
There is little mention of the fact that few if any countries, relative
to their size and resources, have done as much as the DR to help Haiti.
It was the first responder after the quake, was the staging ground for
rescue efforts, and has provided donations, manpower and equipment of
its own. More than anything, it is where thousands if not tens of
tho
the disaster. This comes on top of the one million Haitians estimated
to live there before the quake. The DR has limits in terms of how many
Haitians it can absorb.
The Dominican government needs to revamp its own immigration policies,
and indiscriminate deportation is not the answer to the problem.
However, in the absence of concrete recovery in Haiti and with pledged
reconstruction assistance failing to arrive from abroad, the Dominican
Republic cannot afford to continue to take in more refugees. Political
and social pressure seems to be building up in the country to begin to
repatriate some of the undocumented Haitians that have arrived since the
quake.
More pressure should be put on international agencies and donors to
speed up what has been a dismally slow reconstruction process in Haiti.
This is the real problem. Can the Dominican Republic do more than it
has already done?"
Enough Said
40 countries to provide 10,000 VISAS per year for 10 years.
40 x 10,000= 400,000 per year.
400,000 x 10= 4, 000,000 in 10 years.
Haiti's population would go from 10, 000,000 to 6,000,000 or lower! in 10 years time.
The Goal should be a 5 million or lower populated Haiti. As this population density would allow for the resuscitation of the ecological balance of the western part of the island. A massive Green Project to get back to 25% Forrest coverage and a wealth of other sustainable green projects would help. Of course, creating a Pro-business, export friendly economy should be the driving force.
BTW, France could arrange to help this process along by organizing with other French speaking community nations in the Francophone world a process of granting Haitians Visas within the zone; Senegal's offer should be accepted and Guyana, which
We will follow your lead (because I believe that you have the potential to be a great champion for humanity) when you stop making separation the foundation of your campaign. The Almighty made Haiti and the Dominican Republic to be conjoined twins and each one should nourish the other. You cannot cut the islands in two, the Almighty did not give you the power to do this. You will be blessed by the Almighty when you reject your own wickedness and turn towards everlasting peace, acceptance, and love. Then, you will live up to the potential that I know you possess.
The FRENCH did.
What fluckin' cloud are you sitting on, man?
Do you live here? Or in Montreal?
If you live here, go take a walk at night in the underslums areas. Wear nice sneakers and why not, a gold chain. Watch what happens.
You live in Montreal, then go take a walk at night in Montreal-Nord near the parks or in Côte-des-Neiges with the same attire. Watch what happens.
Then you talk to me about peace and love.
Unless you're one of them yourself, got lucky and mangaste una visa??
Be a champion for the Almighty and not the devil. The Almighty is still around and Caesar and his empire are still decaying in the worm infested abyss.
Love my Brother, Love
I say love and peace, and you say insane. Why is love and peace insane? Has it been so long that you have not felt the powers of one or both? Has this problem desensitized you to your brother? Your conjoined twin. Try to free yourself from the chains of bondage with the keys of love and peace and you will find a new perspective, one that embraces humanity.
* THERE IS A SAYING. BE CAREFUL HOW YOU TREAT OTHER'S, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE TO WALK IN THERE SAME SHOE'S SO DAY.
. I think it's sad when 2 countries share the same Island and there is no getting alone. I believe (Montreal Reggie & Bernard JeanPierre) comments struck the right cord..
What can you really control? The weather? Your health? The health of your family? Your happiness? What tomorrow will bring?
If you bring 'positivity' to the little that you can control, the Almighty will bring 'positivity' to what you cannot control.
Lamento no poder expresarme bien en ingles, pero es muy comodo opinar y dar soluciones a larga distancia, poeque Canada, que es un gran pais, casi despoblado, no le ofrece un territorio para los pobres haitianos, nosotros los dominicanos no somos afines en casi nada con los hermanos haitianos, no hablamos su idioma, ni con su religion y menos con sus costumbres, puesto que una parte de Canada habla frances, creo que seria la solucion a ese problema y habria Peace and love, recoradr que no somos los dominicanos los responsabels de la desgracias haitiana y que fuimos los primeros en dar apoyo despues y antes del terremoto, las potencias, incluyendo Canada solo se oyen por medio de retorica, nada de ayuda real y verdadera.
You're on point. So many foreigners just don't get it!! It's a shame. Canada has a population of 34 million people. Can you imagine what Canadians would say if 3.5 million desperately poor people moved into their communities? Carrying with them all the customs and survival patterns ingrained from living in that inferno they are fleeing! The streets filled with pan-pushers, little children in drags, men and women doing petty stealing? And some even more serious crime, as the neighbor's jails were destroyed and thousands of hardcore criminals were among the 3.5 million fleeing migrants? The outcry would not have gone unnoticed by the central government!
Think Montreal_reggie before you post!!
My brother, that is why I will never say 'all' Dominicans because I am aware of the great contributions made by good hearted dominicans. They will be blessed, greatly. The world is round and 'what goes around, comes around'.
Peace my brother. I realize that you do not accept some of my ideas and I sense the frustration from your postings. It has never been a part of my nature to boast superiority for anything. I may not have the best answer to this crisis in your country but I have a sure insight to the answer as it regards repatriations. The proof is in the pudding and repatriations have not worked. It is an easy, happy-go-lucky approach but it has not been successful - therefore, a fallacy in concept and a travesty in execution. I do not particularly agree with issuing visas for the Haitian illegals as a solution but it is a recommendation that deserves further examination. The point is, let us try to find a sustainable, mutually beneficial solution that will endure for both nations. You are conjoined twins. I may have a little more experience working with these kinds of twins since I am a medical resident (orthopedic surgery) at Montreal General Hospital (MGH).
Love your conjoined twin, Haiti... You share the same nourishing lands and air. Can you hate the hands of your body? Can you hate the feet that allow your steps? How can you hate the very brother who Loves you enough, that he seeks refuge in your bosom. Love Brothers, Love.
Have my college degree returned back to DR to work. While in the US I met some haitians in school and to sum things up they were not interested in going back to Haiti at all they view the country as a lost cause. So tell me something after the earthquake what happen to the billions punished to Haiti? I guess the rest of the world see it as a.lost cause if haitians were to step up and actually help Haiti besides sitting in the comforts in their homes just bicthing maybe the rest of the world will then step up and help
Canada, mostly Québec, has already more than its share of Haitians, and believe me, after the fall of the Hell's Angels, they're the most prominent criminals through the street gangs affiliated to the Bloods, Crips and other church going organizations. And since the new immigrants won't be doctors or engineers, imagine the chaos.
The problem is, no country would accept a massive influx of Haitians, because of the illiteracy, lack of preparedness for the work market, and the total absence of compliance with the immigration criteria of any admitting countries.
As for the language, since 1987, créole is the official language of Haiti. Not French. Créole!!
Result: new immigrants will ghettoize because thay can't speak the fluckin' language of any country they'll go to. They only can speak to each other.
So let them be with each other.
WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED TO SEE DOMINICANS ENRAGED, UP IN ARMS AND SIMPLY FED UP WITH ILLEGAL HAITIANS?
Yeah, Montreal, just what the Doctor ordered, the Dominican Republic needs more Haitians just like you. Que Dios nos libre de todo mal-AMEN
If they found someone shitting in their own backyard, I "betcha" love and compassion would be the first one out the door.....
We need a GRASS-ROOT movement to drive back the Haitians, since our beloved government can't handle the situation!
We need a group hug movement. A peace movement. A march for unity for all Haitians and Dominicans. We need prayer sessions and fasting for solutions. Peace not hate, love not war, compassion not bitterness.
There is nothing i want to see more that Haiti being a prosperous country but we have to enforce the laws here, wear our shoes than you'll understand where we come from, you're on the outside.. there are things you can't see from montreal, you should stay quiet regarding certain things; specially on DR's laws.
I have been traveling to D.R. sense 1989 and lived and work in Santo Domingo for 5 years(2004-2009). I can honestly say as an American, I was never ripped off by an Haitian Brother's or Sister's, but can't say the same about some of my so call Dominicans Friends. I never meet so many Ungreatful, Self-Serving and Arrogent Group of People, that have some much promise, but contineous to throw it away. They think they know it all, but know nothing. Keep in mine all Dominican People are not like this. There are Dominicans/ Families that do the right thing everyday.
"They commit crimes" - Uh oh y los dominicanos no??
"bring illnesses" - ok, realistically speaking many illnesses come from not having good, sanitary living conditions (Cholera) amd NOT because they are just a disease-ridden people. If you want to be technical the ancestors of Haitians were more resistant to diseases than MANY other peoples, that is why they survived and were highly desired in the Plantation based colonies. ANY people (including DR) will have a higher level of disease if they lived in similar conditions.
"contaminate and pollute our rivers" - were Haitians responsible for what was one of the MOST polluted place on Earth, Haina? No. That was 'domestic' pollution, which has STILL not been completely cleaned up.
"even marrying our women" - 'OUR' Women?? Racist Whites used to say the same thing about Black Men, as if the Women were just being 'seduced'. Back then it was called a racist remark...
If backed up pressure is not given an outlet to dissipate, no doubt and surely a tragic outcome is only to be expected, where at the very least there will be no winners, only losers on both sides of the court.
You are a stand up guy and I am really proud to be on the same earth as you brother.
Guillermone,
You extended your hand to help the poor and great things are coming your way. The humanitarian work you did in Haiti was gallant. You have to stay the course. The problem of Haiti is not in your backyard, it is in your house but let us all try to come up with realistic and humane solutions. Barbarism is not a solution.
The day that the DR becomes a corrupt free society will be the day that haitians hate the most, for the haitian issue is one of the thorns on our republic....
so it´s best for you internationalist and dominicanwannabehaitians that the DR remains corrupt...
From: Dominican Republic
dear montreal -reggie
Lamento no poder expresarme bien en ingles,.
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TontoDominicano!! tu nombre lo dice todo, papo, tu no puede expresarte en espanol tampoco.
que trates el chino.
semper Fidelis.............
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
I love this sorts of articles, they're orgasmic. Keep strong compatriots!
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ateo2010, The only orgasm you ever had was from your uncle's hands,.so dont even go there.
Semper Fidelis.............
A great pleasure to read educated people when you see them...Very seldom in this website
@ Bayman46
So true, I met some dominicans who said that their mum is sick in order to trick you and get some money
@ Carmenreyes
If you have any atom of compassion, please fight for your dominican sisters and against sexual tourism...
Why do these women sell their bodies and souls to any tourist ? May be for the same reason that Haitians are coming into your country : Need of Money/Need to survive
Dominican woman @ss selling has no comparison all over the caribbean history ( even Cuba in his bad times before Fidel revolution) you even export them in the Americas (North, South) and in Europe !!!
Anyway as a tourist I'm done with the DR and be sure that many strangers feel the same when they see these uneducated/Racist/Full of hatred comments.
I'll visit Puerto Rico really soon and I'm taking the plane ,not the Yolas...
Peace my brother, but you are wrong. You are using language to insight violence through hatred and negative rhetoric - " sweet, sweet freedom fighters". You support civilians taking up arms and using them to intimidate the most desperate/poor group in the Caribbean, a group in need of succor. Shameful. Others, like myself, want to seek out solutions that are far far less abrasive and are based on a foundation of Peace and Love. The war dance approach is not only uncalled for but it makes the "freedom fighters" look weak, flaccid, and flimsy. We are speaking about real people, not characters is some Xbox game.
Try something.... Hold your breath; hold it for as long as you can..........When you can't hold it any longer, take a breath......
.....I have just proven that out of shear desperation (your requirement for air), your priorities will change. The Haitian immigrants are desperate and they go to the DR to satisfy their basic God-given instinct to survive.
Wow, Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?
Atabey, Carmen, Yucahu, Vegano, Dutch, Walter, keep telling it like it is. We can't let intruders step on us. We need to stand up for our Sovereignty.
@Nehesy, how dare you criticize someone who's living the problem every single day? Just because you're a tourist once in a while? What a pompous joke you are. Remember your people is directly responsible for the Haitians are living? That is a well documented historical FACT. Aside from talking BS and protecting dictators, what else is the FRENCH doing to help?
So now you won't visit the DR? JAJAJAJA You are worried you won't find a big Haitian moreno when you come to DR? That's ok. I'm sure the sankipankis you came to visit will miss your dime but we don't need people like you visiting our land. Instead of Puerto Rico, why don't you visit Haiti? What a self righteous hypocrite.
"Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?"
Peace Brother XFactor. We are not trying to be self righteous, we are trying to be righteous. God, Jesus, Moses, and the prophets all equated righteous ways as desirable and correct. We are not self righteous, we are righteous 'in the common good' of our fellow man. Psalm 37: 21 ' But the righteous one is showing favor' Psalm 37: 30 'The mouth of the righteous is the one that utters wisdom and his is the tongue that speaks justly'. We don't only want the best for the Haitian immigrants, we also want the best for you. You must understand that we are all in this world together and this is the proving ground. The place where you are given the opportunity to take a position with your fellow man. This is not about some game- 'How do we keep our money' or 'how we show the world how we flex our muscles'. This is life. Compassion is in order and a peaceful approach to negotiating problems is in order.
"Where did all of these self righteous pompous morons came from?"
Peace Brother XFactor. We are not trying to be self righteous, we are trying to be righteous. God, Jesus, Moses, and the prophets all equated righteous ways as desirable and correct. We are not self righteous, we are righteous 'in the common good' of our fellow man. Psalm 37: 21 ' But the righteous one is showing favor' Psalm 37: 30 'The mouth of the righteous is the one that utters wisdom and his is the tongue that speaks justly'. We don't only want the best for the Haitian immigrants, we also want the best for you. You must understand that we are all in this world together and this is the proving ground. The place where you are given the opportunity to take a position with your fellow man. This is not about some game- 'How do we keep our money' or 'how we show the world how we flex our muscles'. This is life. Compassion is in order and a peaceful approach to negotiating problems is in order.
Are these immigrants the great army from the West that you fear? Are they the reason why you mobilize your troops? Prepare for war? Can someone sane try to explain to me the proportionality of this effort or the fairness of hand and execution?
This chant for war and turmoil is counter - righteous. The last time I checked, righteous means - acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin. Love my brother X, love is the way.
Your post just proves the fact you are self righteous. If you really modeled your life after Jesus' you would give up all your possessions to the much needier like poor Haitians and poor Dominicans or any poor in your country. But I bet that's not going to happen.
I can respect/tolerate your "love, compassion, peace" rhetoric. But one of your first comments on this thread was to criticize and attack Dominicans who are on the ground living the situation every single day. That doesn't fly well with me. And that average Dominican which you and others attack has done and will do 1000% more for an Haitian immigrant than you might ever do. I believe DR is the country that has done the most for Haiti. And remember the fact that we are a third world nation with limited resources, with well over 35% of our population in poverty.
Preach whatever nonsense you want but don't attack my fellow Dominican. Then maybe then you might make some sense.
Do I agree with him? Probably not on most of his ideas. But I can respect his opinion.
I was blessed to be able to visit the DR in 2007. I saw the demographic diversity of the country and it reminded me of the Virgin Islands. My host told me that there are 1 million Haitians living in the DR . But he couldn't say how many were illegal immigrants. From what I am reading in DR newspapers and hearing from contributors to this forum. The DR suffers from the same problem the US Virgin Islands suffers from: massive illegal immigration.
Every country has a right and a responsibility to protect its borders. When a country's borders have been breached i.e. when anyone even a Virgin Islander or a US citizen enters a country illegally or overstays that person commits a crime against the people of that country . They in effect say that they have no respect for the citizens of the country and its government. And government officials / employees that aid in illegal entry commit an act of treason against his countrymen. This is true for any people or government. Acts of illegal immigration are harmful to any country but are particularly harmful economically and socially to developing countries. In my opinion,relatively small countries cannot absorb immigrants legal or illegal that can amount to more than 3% of its population.
It is my responsibility as a Virgin Islander to hold my government accountable to me. It is the responsibility of Haitians living outside of Haiti to hold their government accountable. It my responsibility as a Virgin Islander to assist my poor countrymen. It is the responsibility of Haitians in the Haitian diaspora to assist their countrymen. The citizenship a person holds must mean something in the way of benefits and responsibility.
Very true and you are so right SowahAkai.
Thank-You for giving us another very realistic perspective about an issue that can not be dealt with by just simply using "patience" as a couple of posters have suggested. Easy to say, but extremely difficult and hard to do.
The worse thing about the matter, if Dominicans refuse to accept, do not agree or contradict the imposition to keep a couple of millions illegals on Dominican soil, (20%-25% of the population) we are then labeled as "RACIST." Now that accusation is more then just a low blow, it is both a punch and a kick below the waistline.
Therein is the same problem we have in the USVI. Most immigrants to the USVI make derogatory statements about Virgin Islanders. They are loyal to people from their own country and even as naturalized US citizens they hire their own countrymen and vote for their own countrymen. Our native politicians avoid looking after the interest of the Virgin Islanders because non-natives are more than 40% of the USVI population. Virgin Islanders are 2nd class citizens in their own country.
@ bayman46 : Stop visiting the DR and start visiting Haiti instead.You'll enjoy your stay in Hell!
@ Nehesy : You surely have a lot of time in your hands,time you use to badmouth Dominicans on youtube,and everywhere on the web you could sign up....That's pathetic dude,get a life! ..Did you run out of French asses to kiss??????
Just chillin from my job man
And the only french asses to kiss, are kissed in Las Terrenas.
Don't understand your last statement...
Dominicans are a great people, less all the racists
I speak of this concern because as I am writing this post I must tell you that my wife and I have decided to move to the Dominican Republic. So I am learning Spanish. My wife is originally from Grenada herself an immigrant to the US. Her father, a Barbadian legally filled for himself, his wife and two children waited for a decision and followed the law. I never had to worry about why she married me.
In Las Terrenas? Thank god you're not coming back. :)
You are correct Dominicans commit crimes and do drugs, the only difference is that.DR is our country so if we commit a crime we do the time. If an haitians commits a crime he is running to the border. So it is not the same, so please we don't need anymore haitians criminals. Once again if a dominican commits a crime its he is in his country. Can you repeat that a couple of time maybe u will see the logic
It is nice that you want to come to DR to start a ministry, but won't your ministry be better appreciated if you did it in Haiti were they really need it? Going into Haiti and helping them would be best than going to DR and preaching. Fellow Haitians don't you think that the lord ministry should be done in Haiti so that Haitians can benefit from it? Ministers are supposed go to where they are needed the most.
" SowahAkai,
It is nice that you want to come to DR to start a ministry, but won't your ministry be better appreciated if you did it in Haiti were they really need it? Going into Haiti and helping them would be best than going to DR and preaching. Fellow Haitians don't you think that the lord ministry should be done in Haiti so that Haitians can benefit from it? Ministers are supposed go to where they are needed the most. "
Hi Vegano: "I am starting a business in the DR". Currently we do ministry in the Virgin Islands and Liberia. Funny that you should mention Haiti. We are indeed expanding to Haiti. The business and our residence however, will be in the DR. It is more practical to reach out to Haiti from the DR.
"What do dominicans want in general? Do they want all Haitians out of the DR"
It is a given, good times or bad, there will always be and there has always been a Haitian presence in the DR regardless. However, we do not want that many and definitely not all at the same time. As for illegals are concerned, they are breaking the law, should never have been allowed to set foot on Domiican soil in the first place or any country for that matter and if caught should be deported immediately.
Is it that hard for you to understand?
Well, it is not secret that there's Haitian prostitutes all over the DR....
You probably tested positive with cholera.
...But then again,you probably have developed immunity.
Now you are saying that Dominicans are nice people?..Haitian,please!!
I know all the crap you've said about us all over the net,so don't even try it!
Stop acting innocent.....
Nobody should be surprised that this events are happening.
Immigration policy in this country is nonexistent regarding our neighbors.
I used to support Leonel Fernandez,but the guy just does not have the testicular fortitude to deal with this kind of issues!
I stated that it is my desire and plan to start a business in the DR and move my family there - legally.
I was told that Dominicans don't need ministering to but rather the Haitians. When I responded by stating that we plan to reach out to Haitians in Haiti from the DR, I now hear that I should rather reach out to poor Dominicans if we are going to be based in the DR or go to Haiti.
I respect the fact that you are coming to DR legally where I live. +
What I don't respect or admire are people like yourself that comes to
DR to help Haitians from DR. You should really reconsider and become
a legal resident of Haiti so you can be of better help to them. The more help
haiti recieves the prouder they will become because they could progress within
their own nation. Thanks
That is why I question the sincerity of many, not all, so called "humanitarians" that are willing to lend a helping hand as long as their present lifestyle is not interrupted. El pobre al hoyo y el rico a comer pollo.